HAPPENING: SHTF in Illinois Soon

It's such a damn shame. The entire state is basically midwest paradise except for fucking Shitcago. Fuck democrats and fuck obongo.

bump

Wait...can I even bump my own post anymore?

Ah..whatever..

>>131390143
I think there is a wait time before you can bump your own post.

>>131389650
Chicago is the problem for Illinois. As is New Orleans for Louisiana. If the state does go bankrupt and gibs are taken away, yes, they will most likely loot riot. I'd say let them purge if innocent people wouldn't get caught in the crossfire.

They'll pass the budget last minute

>>131389650

I just got a job in Chicago. How fucked am I

>>131389650
Chicago will burn if the gibs get turned off in the heat of summer.

What's the idea behind a state lottery anyway

A big problem for Illinois is the unfunded pensions. Thy already have high taxes, and the unfunded pensions need to be paid.

>>131390481

job doing what? where?

>>131389650
Chicago suburb Mount Prospect checking in. How fucked am I? My parent live in Chicago and their property taxes are basically doubling in the next 4 years.

>>131390604
We do event planning for major corporations retirement parties and their yearly trade shows. We work with a lot of financial companies

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>>131389650
>Illinois goes bankrupt
>nig nog golly wogs go full fucking grills
>Hearing reports of Robert leaving his keys all over the city on /CPD/

>>131390554
you buy a ticket with 6 numbers for $1

the odds of winning are 1: 150,000,000

they draw 6 numbers numbered 1-54

if you match all six, you win millions

Illinois cant pay the winners, because they use the proceeds from ticket sales to fund their schools. So there is no money for schools and no money for winners

>>131389650
Why would a lotto ban a State? Isn't lotto a private enterprise?

>>131390481
Unless you're a bankruptcy lawyer, I'd worry.

>>131390569
>unfunded pensions

Them pensions are GONE, baby. LMAO


>>131390476
this
They'll wait until the last second and then kick the can down the road again so they can pat themselves on the back and claim they 'saved Illinois'.

>>131390554
Money for dem programs

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/cpd/ is gonna be comfy as fuck if it happens

>>131390554
Steal from the poor.

>>131389650
GAS THE KIKES
RACE WAR NOW

1488 1776
WORLD WIDE

GOD ALMIGHTY JESUS CHRIST HOLY SPIRIT

>>131390569
>Need to be
>Can't be
Reality always wins out.

>>131390125
> Midwest paradise
Lolol. No.

>>131390569
High taxes? Go live in Minnesota for 5 years and talk about high taxes.

>>131390442
Cities with populations over 750,000 should be treated as their own state. With its own laws, budget, tax code, government etc. that does not affect the rest of the state

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YFW Trump steps in, tells it like it is and sets forth measures to fix the problems, then Chicago Democrats and Hollywood liberals obstruct everything until the SHTF.

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>>131390863
It really could be the general of the year, being handed the crown from /ptg/

>>131390920
well, Illinois promised stupid pensions to state employees with no real way of ever being able to pay them. They have known the pension bomb was coming. Add to that a lot of other very expensive problems, and Illinois is quite simply fucked.

>>131389650
Without a doubt will it effect a lot of shit. Will it be the great chip rise of the negro in chiraq...doubt it. If anything there will be some riots, black leaders will make fools of themselves, etc.

>SHTF
no one even knows how it would look like. USA has a great potential for healing. Just bankrupt the state and go on, as if nothing happened.

>>131389650
>Will bankruptcy affect the gibsmedat in Chicago? If so, prepare for a summer of happenings.
Yes, and Illinois is one constant happening. I don't know anyone that still lives there anymore. Chicago is one step away from becoming Detroit.
I am now, and always have been, a proponent of the CityState plan. Any metropolitan area/county with over 1m people should be it's own state and be forced to deal with it's own finances instead of bringing down the states around them. Make them accountable.

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>>131389650
>prepare for a summer of happenings
Excited!

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> Midwest paradise

Michigan reporting in

>>131391229
>Illinois promised stupid pensions

It's the same pyramid scam that all social programs run off of. It's unsustainable in the long run no matter what the scale of it is.

Pls halp.

Mid to Southern Illinois is a typical Midwest State with tumor called Chicago.

>>131390554
Basically the idea is that people spend millions of people spend one dollar for the chance to become a millionaire. Upon winning about half of the money is collected as taxes for the state to use. The issue is that isn't never enough, like a bloated pig, with legs to weak to carry it's body. Wallowing around in it's own shit hoping to get more food shoveled into it's mouth. I live in Illinois and chicago is this giant cancerous tumor. That and the city is so bad at managing it's money, they sold their parking meters to a private company over seas. Now they have state paid meter maids writing tickets for payouts to a private company.

>>131390736
It is illegal to run private lotteries

>>131391818
Follow the money. I'll bet your politicians are linked to that foreign company through donations or payouts.

>>131390488
Please let this happen.

>>131390965
My county has the highest property taxes in the us.

>>131389650
Don't state lotteries pull a profit? This is a major fuck up.

>>131391367
Detroit. Dearborn. Flint. Nice. nice.

The lottery is a license to steal money from the populace with a tiny chance of ever giving even a small portion of the money back.

How can you be so incompetent and corrupt that you can't afford to steal money?

>>131391926
>land of the free
lmao

The basic problem in Illinois comes from the Chicago/Downstate divide. Both have their costs and benefits. Chicago is a huge engine of economic growth and revenue (esp. as medical marijuana accelerates), but also a huge sinkhole of welfare payouts, ineffciency, graft, and the sheer cost of city services (if Chicago were in China they'd have twice as many elevated/subway lines, who knows what would happen with the schools- that's another issue...). The various political patronage factions and divisions in the city, each with their own payola structure, make policy coordination difficult. A small social network of about 3,000 young people are holding huge chunks of the city hostage. This would have been offset by the industry that used to flourish in the city but the economy shifted just like everywhere else- "working at Target and shopping at WalMart"...
Conversely, beyond the five counties of Chicagoland, most of the state grows enormous amounts of corn and soy etc. and there are mines for unsexy minerals like bauxite, used to be coal down south. I'm not as sure about this but my understanding is that state subsidies go to support the farming base because while IL farmers sell every bushel, they're all low-price farm goods...
From a technocratic point of view it just doesn't make sense to have a governor who doesn't believe in government- not in the libertarian let the flowers blossom way, but in a way that just doesn't address the economic realities of the state in a responsible way.
The irony is that Chicago is the opposite of Detroit- the whole sate wakes up every day and goes to work (or collects benefits) and consumes products, there's no objective reason this should be happening.
Chicago should split off to become its own city-state...

>>131390727
>retirement parties
Oh you'll see a lot of them soon kek

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>>131392204
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Blagojevich

Our politicians can't even stay out of prison. Dude tried selling Obama's seat.

>>131390554
A tax on the poor who think they'll become millionaires. They usually dump $20-50 into the scam rather than stash that money away into savings.

How can a lotto NOT be profitable? How does that work

Collect money, keep half of the pot as profit. If that scenario can't be managed, the problem is pretty serious ...lol

>>131391367
>Midwest paradise
>not choosing indiana
Why?

>>131390732
If IL goes bankrupt, Robert won't be able to check his keys as there won't be any to check. Robert won't get paid, meaning that Male Black finally wins the city.

>>131392750
Also worth noting is that they'll flee to other states with lower taxes and restart the cycle.

>>131390965

Taking into account sales tax proprty tax and income tax and other random taxes IL is pne of the most taxed states in the country.

Mid state here
Fuck Chicago and fuck our governors

The Lottery itself is profitable "in a vacuum" but since the whole point of the lotto is to funnel revenue to the state, the fiscal implosion of the state/budget deficit devours even the lottery 's millions...

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2 state solution master race.


Also we would have to merge 2 northeast states to keep 50 stars.

Like

>New Hampshire and Vermont
>Maryland and Delaware
>Connecticut and Road Island

>>131392989
Anyone near/in Edgar?

Women, Infants and Children, or WIC; public housing; utility assistance; and free commodities (e.g., milk and cheese) would have a benefits package worth $19,442 per year.

To make work “pay,” that mother would need to earn $13,580. This earned income plus tax credits (Child Tax Credit and EITC) would provide a total annual income of $19,400. In other words, the mother would need to work more than 30-hours per week in a minimum wage job, which pays $8.25 an hour in Illinois, to have an income equivalent to what she might receive on welfare.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/the-work-vs-welfare-trade-off-in-illinois/

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_2005_2022ILb_18c1li211mcn_40c
>2022 population goes to 0

>>131392603
Making em license plates Robby

>>131392989
>Also we would have to merge 2 northeast states to keep 50 stars.
Why? Invest in he Chinese market for when they make make flags with 51 stars.

>>131392750
Robert needs to get the fuck out and call HS cousin for a week of artillery fire.

>>131391367

This photo could be taken in nw IL. Pretty similar look desu.

>>131391522
There are social programs that have balanced accounts and no over the horizon liabilities.

Pensions specifically over promise and under finance almost without exceptions.

>>131389650
>Will bankruptcy affect the gibsmedat in Chicago? If so, prepare for a summer of happenings.
Nah . they'll take away your money and house and givit to the oppressed minority.
There's no stopping the gibsmedat train.
It would be too much of a risk.
Because crackers don't do shit when things don't go their way but niggers on the other hand chinp out and bring down walls

>>131392681
This

OFFICIAL MIDWEST TIER LIST

GOD TIER
Indiana
Upper Peninsula
North Dakota
South Dakota

HIGH TIER
Ohio

MID TIER
Wisconsin
Mainland Michigan

GOOD SCENERY BUT TOO KEKED TIER
Minnesota

LOW TIER
Illinois
Nebraska
Kansas

GARBAGE TIER
Chicago

>inb4 some minny/wiscy/whatever fag talks about how good their state is ourside of [insert city here]

Too bad, none of the urban shitholes in the Midwest are anywhere near as large/have as much pull as Chiraq, so they don't count separately

>>131392989
Missouri here. Will trade southern Illinois for st louis and sjwizzou university

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>>131393103
Hendricks county IN reporting! Kinda close-ish

>>131393181
Shouldn't this hypothetical woman just wait until her skills are above the minimum to have children?

Why is everything measured in the amount of hours a person brand new to the labor force would have to work?

>>131392989
>Gary and the region go to the new shithole state

Please please please do this, Indiana would become unstoppable overnight

>>131390554
The state makes a profit on gambling. Illinois is so retarded they don't even have the money to pay out to winners.

>>131392674

Knowing how out government works they probably took out loans against future lottery income and used it for other shit. Like the federal government constantly taking out of social security and putting I.O.U's in it.

>>131393393
Ohio is bretty good i like Ohio a lot and i have to say i dont know anything about either of the Dakotas what the fuck is even there?

>>131393288
Adding stars is a slippery slope that leads towards Puerto Rico being added. Last thing we need is more spiks

>>131392989
Turn Illinois into a territory again. No state government so they can't fuck things up and Chicago cannot suck on the tit of the rest of the state taxpayer. It's bad enough thousands of state employees are making 6 figures and the city has multiple offices and alderman making more.

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>>131393393
>forgotten tier

I-Iowa....

>>131390143
Five minutes between bumps. Too soon and it won't bump. You can look up the lottery thing. It's about a decade they haven't paid winners. Lawsuits, etc. This has been coming for a long time. TOO BIG TO FAIL = let's rape it for all it's worth and let the taxpayers figure it out.
California is almost $500 billion in debt, with $100 billion being added each year. They still aren't throwing in the towel.

>>131392989
Yeah, I knew y'alled like that OC.

I'm a Hoosier that's why I put in Gary,IN

A man can dream can't he?

Pay denbts burguers

>>131393642
North Dakota is literally Minnesota with moderately worse scenery, the same insanely hot women, cheap living, but without being eternally bluepilled (Minny has gone Democrat since 1972, the longest streak in the country excluding D.C.).

South Dakota is similar but with more injuns, but they don't harass people so it's no big deal.

>>131393532
This is based on the idea this person has some kind of skill/education to use. I'm sure there are some honest people, however the vast majority of people are lazy as fuck.
The ghetto mentality is based on "i didnu nuffin! it was da white man!".

>>131389650
Let it crash and burn. Another red-pill-bomb.

>>131393742
Meant to put you guys in high tier just under Ohio. My bad.

>>131392379
an actual informative post gets no replies

stay classy, /pol/

>A small social network of about 3,000 young people are holding huge chunks of the city hostage

what group is this?

I'm on board with the whole "state redistribution" line of thinking although the idea won't exactly sell if it's linked to "master race" ideology. That being said, it's hard to deny the generalization that Chicago is all Democrat but divided into three "color" tribes- white, black, brown (even though there are people from all over the world, just functionally speaking in gross terms). Basically, like all the former British colonies that became countries with problem borders, Chicago is part of the Great Lakes region linking left-wing postindustrial cities like Twin Cities, Detroit, Milwaukee, Chicago, maybe nw Ohio, while the rest of the state has far more in common with Indiana and Missouri. It seem like it would be more efficient to separate the Great Lakes belt from the Prairie Midwest...

>>131390554

because the state can legally abuse it. They made it illegal for private citizens to hold the lottery. It used to be run by the mob. It's extremely lucrative.

>>131392379
This

>>131393841
>more injuns
in all honesty if i were to choose a minority i'd want in my country they'd probably be high on that list next to say Sikhs or East Asians. Way better than niggers and muzzies

>>131390554
Lotteries are essentially a tax on poor/stupid people

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>>131389650
>democrats

>>131394137
Yep. They drink like fish and a lot live off of government assistance but that's about it. They're not particularly violent or anything like that.

>>131394137

Same here. I feel bad for them the way our ancestors treated them and bs'd them out of their land.

I'm glad my package from Illinois left the state.

>>131393938
I stopped reading at medical marijuana. Literally completely irrelevant

>>131390887
>1488
>1776
You really have to pick one, leaf.

Forgive my European ignorance, which states are currently, say, top 5 to live in, and which are the worst?

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>>131394050
At least the mafia could pay the winners

I FUCKING HATE THIS PLACE

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>>131394471
no one cares

>>131394471

Hope you don't plan on leaving because we aren't taking anymore economic migrants

>>131394327
Same. "Technocrat" "medical marijuana revenue" 10000 words. Clearly reddit

>>131393541
>southern illinoisfags joining forces with indianafags
Stop my cock can only get so erect

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>>131391367
>Midwest
>trees

Fuck Illinois. Its a communist shit hole.

The problem with Illinois is the Democrats pander to greedy unions and welfare niggers, and they bribe them with taxpayers' money for their votes. To do so they jack up taxes through the roof and drive taxpayers out of the state. So the Dems stay in power, but sooner or later they can't pay their bills. Illinois and California are both in a death spiral, with Detroit at the bottom.

>>131394939
I know right? And the worst part is they blame the surrounding counties for not producing enough gibs.

>>131393532
>hypothetical

Except it's really not. Plenty of single mothers with no skills out there. More every day. Sure they should wait, but that's not actually happening

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>>131394809
lots and lots of trees.

>>131392379
Massachusetts has the same exact problem, minus the agriculture.

It's the inside-128-city state vs the rest of the state that is basically a Michigan-tier rust belt state peppered with the post-industrial wastelands of Boston's satellite cities and the even worse economic dysfunctions out west.

Meanwhile, Boston's economy is surging at San Francisco/Seattle levels, but the liberal brain trust in MA, who come from some of the wealthiest demographic groups in the country, can't shake this Boomer mindset of
>anything other than helping everyone who needs it as much as possible is LITERALLY HITLER
And so while Boston never had a big welfare-dependent black population, they're making up for it by importing hispanics and caribbean blacks by the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, and showering them with Medicaid and other state-level benefits. It's even worse, because the people driving these policies are all from households with incomes of $200k or over and none of them can wrap their heads around the idea that you can't simply collect more taxes to pay for more benefits and programz. It's literally the 21t century version of Marie Antoinette's "Let them eat cake!" BS.

Meanwhile, Boston's as corrupt as Chicago is, and the spaghetti-like mess of union graft and payola has meant that the city has done fuck all to upgrade the T to meet the population growth of the past decade, and so it's choked in horrific traffic 12 hours a day while the T falls apart because basic maintenance is being deferred to stave off bankruptcy from all of the un-funded pensions. That scenario is repeating itself across the rest of the state with pretty much every other public agency that isn't MassPort.

Moody's just downgraded MA's bond rating. I'd be shocked if the shit doesn't hit the fan sometime soon here.

>>131391329
>>131390442
>>131391229
So if Illinois knew this runaway train was coming what the hell were they waiting or hoping for?

Hillary wins the Presidency and then somehow secretly funnels money to bail out Illinois budget problem?! Is this why all the Chicago Democrats were shilling superhard for Hillary win?

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>>131393888
This

>>131389650
>the lottery is about to stop selling tickets because they know the state can't pay the winners.

uh what
Lottery is by the gobment?

>>131389650
Democrats have fucked 2 states, brought in illegal immigrants make black people think they are gods who can't be touch, bend over backwards for muslims and attempt make our children believe that they need to remove thier penis to be functional in society. I would say the dens will hang for this but until RWDS start becoming a thing the democrats will go scot free. My question for everyone here is how many states do you think need to crash before people go 14/88?

>>131395407
Add in the heroin epidemic spreading like wildfire among the white working class, who have seen their future of "working at Target and shopping at WalMart" and have decided that they'd rather stick needles in their arms and kill themselves slowly than waste their lives in menial service jobs. Last year, we had 1900 OD deaths for a state of 6 million. Meanwhile, we keep importing hispanics and blacks to suck up service jobs and public dole money while the white working class is in a flat spin with no chance whatsoever at recovery.

Baker is doing his best to right the ship, but like Trump, he's been left such a mess to navigate by the Dems that I doubt he'll be able to accomplish anything of real substance, at least until things become so obviously terminal that even the liberal brain trust in Brookline, Newton, Wellesley, Cambridge, Lexington, Concord, etc can't stick their heads in the sand and pretend that nothing's wrong anymore.

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New Ben Garrison

>>131395535
States have lotteries. In Texas is helps (((((education)))))

>>131395473
>>131393888

Agreed. We need to go over the falls in order to truly wake people up. We need whites to see just how "american" the blacks and hispanics are when the literal firehose of public services money runs dry.

Meanwhile, I'm arming myself to the teeth. Every American here should be doing the same.

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US as united states should end. Here are the new borders.

>>131389650

I live in Illinois (southern most Illinois, no where near Chicago) and I can verify this. I would have left long ago if it wasn't for my mom currently on her death bed.

Illinois is what happens when you let the mafia run the state. In Illinois, it doesn't matter what party they belong to, they are all in the same Chicago mafia.

>>131394471

So do I.

>tfw my dad is a south suburban cop and may lose his pension


Im happy hes had a back up plan for a while. Still though fuck Illinois. Im happy i moved away.

>>131395746
Realistically, it's going to take the highest-profile "liberal utopia" states ALL going belly-up, before people wake up.

I'm not sure about the order, but I would recommend moving away from California, Illinois, New York, and Massachusetts, if you can.

>>131389650
Wisconsinite here. The worst drivers in America have Illinois license plates.

>>131390554
It's a state tax on being bad at math.

>>131391615
Champaign County reporting in. Everything is nice apart from Cook County.

>>131393888
F yeah. Nothing better than 24/7 coverage on all news outlets about how Chicago riots start as soon as welfare checks are cut off.

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>be me
>moved to illinois after high school
>go to get license
>dmv says i need pink slip from high school to get license
>wut
>tell them im not from illinois
>my HS didnt have a driving class and didnt have pink slips
>dmv refused to give me a license without pink slip
>drove around to different dmvs
>maybe the people at that first dmv were just dumb as shit
>other dmvs confirm pink slip needed
>literally cant get a driving license in illinois
>go to missouri
>got license no problem
>traded it in for Illinois license

I Hope Illinois is punished for decades after the coming collapse of their economy. All the people in southern Illinois are inbred as fuck. A bunch of slavic nigs that think they are white. People that are born in S. Illinois grow up and move a town or two over, they have kids and their kids move back to the first town. We all know about Chiraq. Back in the 90s Chicago started tearing down the ghetto apartment blocks. All those niggers and drug dealers flooded southwards.

Fuck them all. Let it burn.

>>131396111
I actually live in Vermont, may be liberal but if shit hits the fan I can bug out literaly. Forest is everyware and rarely do anyone go in them so I have a good supply ready just in case the libs in Vermont decided to try socialism here .

>>131395899
looks good

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>>131389650
>mfw I live in Illinois.
>mfw I still have 2-3 years left in university to get my accounting degree.
>mfw the university I go to is close to Chicago, roughly a 30 minute drive away.

I'm screwed, aren't I?

>>131396111
>checked and keked

Cali is going to be rocked by a big earthquake soon; in the next 10 years. Too much degeneracy and decadence going on in that state for God to continue giving it a pass and forgiveness.

>>131393923
Forgot Missouri Too

The state with the most corrupt city in the country that gave us Senator Obama is a shithole? Color me surprised

>>131396251
>coming collapse of their economy
Wisconsin will not take Illinois refugees. Fuck off, we're full.

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>>131395427
>So if Illinois knew this runaway train was coming what the hell were they waiting or hoping for?
Half the country's population is pushing for that run away train? The entire country is sitting on several multi-billion dollar market bubbles created by Democrats. There is not solution to this problem that doesn't require bleeding. Places like New York, Los Angeles, St. Louis, Boston, etc. cannot exist without the infrastructure behind them, and they all consistently vote to weaken that infrastructure. If the US crashes, the infrastructure will still be in place, only the cities will burn and we're seeing the foreshadowing of that right now if they don't stop their shenanigans.

Hell, the US is propping up Mexico and Canada, too. The house of cards is astounding.

>>131393393
>no Missouri

>>131393393
Chicago isn't even that bad, I lived there for 17 years on the North Side (read: rich people and middle class, police, low crime, few niggers).

It's the South and West sides which are fucking trash, and a few spots on the North which are easily avoided.

>>131396273
Vermont is like Maine, Oregon, or Washington. it may be a fairly liberal state, but it's so overwhelmingly white that it's more or less financially self-sustaining. Furthermore, since it's almost all white, there aren't any chimps to actually chimp out, and there are so many people who are armed that the RWDS's would come out of the woodwork almost instantly to quash anything that might happen.

The worst you might get is something like Evergreen State 2.0 in Burlington, but that's about it. You're not even big enough for Antifa to care about.

>>131396963
Dems run on giving handouts. Once you provide an entitlement, it is political suicide to remove it. People would rather see the entire state go bankrupt than surrender their welfare/overly inflated pension.

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>>131391367
Give us the northern peninusula.

>>131395898
>Meanwhile, I'm arming myself to the teeth. Every American here should be doing the same.

Ironically, that seems the most undemocratic of solutions.

How do we fix Illinois, /pol/? How do we make it prosperous again?

>>131390554
Idiot tax

>>131393393
Wisconsin is High Tier if you removed Milwaukee (Niggs & Libs) and God Tier if you removed Madison (Libs).

>>131397324
democracy is responsible for this mess tbqh
Let the yanks do as they wish, whatever works best imo

>>131396963
Don't forget the coming automation job apocalypse.

Half of me thinks the recent surge in Post-Apocalyptic movies and abandonment of big cities is subconscious propaganda aimed to get as many non-imbeciles to move away from the cities as possible.

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>be murikan
>go bankrupt

>>131397159
I grew up in MA, but I currently live in MD, and I honestly feel the same way about here. MD has a major problem with blacks, but they're mostly confined to Prince George's County and Baltimore City. The rest of the state, other than the twin white cuck counties of Howard and Montgomery, might as well be Tennessee, Alabama, or West Virginia.

Finances are also highly compartmentalized by county, and the rest of the state is already redpilled about niggers after seeing what they did to the once-white enclaves of Baltimore and PG. Mark my words, if SHTF happens, it'll happen in Baltimore or PG only, and Frederick/Anne Arundel/Harford/Carroll, and the rest of the state will go full 14/88 overnight. You already see more confederate flags in the rural counties than you do in Bama or North Carolina. We have many allies out there, waiting for their moment to come out of the woodwork.

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>>131389650

I have an idea for a fundraiser; why don't you sell some of that unwarranted Chicago pride. It's been weighing you dipshits down for decades and it serves no purpose.

>>131391367
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu3rsha1ZtI

>>131390554

It's a poor person tax, seriously. Poor people spend all their money on scratchers and lottery tickets.

>>131395360
We need to cut off benefits for any more than one or two children that the mother/family is unable to support. After that, the benefits get cut off and you either get an abortion or CPS gets the child(ren).

>>131397324

https://youtu.be/tz2DknROaI8

>For no one, no one in this world can you trust.
Not men, not women, not beasts... This you can trust...

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>>131390569
>the unfunded pensions need to be paid

>>131391007
>populations over 750k
i think letting every big city in the country become its own version of hong kong or the vatican is a bad, bad idea

>>131395838
>Chicago is shit because it's "liberal"
No, it's shit because it's black, Ben.

>>131392681
what the fuck is in indy that makes it paradise? anything north of Terra Haute is shit

>>131389650
Lol, you have state lotteries? Do the cost of the tickets equal the prize or do the taxpayers pay for some of it?

>>131395753
i see a logical flow here

basically you are saying that white working class prefers to die from heroin addiction rather than live like hispanics who take their jobs for lower wages

If so this white working class does not deserve to live especially given the ai boom we gonna face soon

>>131392989
Best solution is highway 80, north of 80 is Chicago and south of 80 is Illinois.

>>131398363
The prize is significantly less than the cost of the tickets. State takes the proceeds. It functions like a tax on people addicted to gambling.

>>131396963
>If the US crashes, the infrastructure will still be in place, only the cities will burn

How exactly will the infrastructure still be in place? Modern infrastructure is based on a constant supply of oil and a 24/7 electric grid. If the US collapses, how are you so certain that roads (made and paved by petroleum and petro power machinery) will be fixed? How are you so certain that luxuries of every sort (from food to clothes to tools) will be kept in stock when these rely on large trucks to transport them (on roads somehow maintained after oil supplies are gone)? How do you expect to have the means of charging your computer and to debating on /pol/ when the power suddenly becomes expensive and scarce, due to a lack of money and energy to maintain it?

There will be a decreased standard of living for all. Cities might feel the heat sooner, but people soon spread into the country for sanctuary. If your plan is to greet them with bullets, you're going to run out sooner than you think.

>>131397168
>People would rather see the entire state go bankrupt than surrender their welfare/overly inflated pension.
Enter modern day Chicago.
>>131397547
>Don't forget the coming automation job apocalypse.
It's going to take much longer than speculated.
>Half of me thinks the recent surge in Post-Apocalyptic movies and abandonment of big cities is subconscious propaganda aimed to get as many non-imbeciles to move away from the cities as possible.
Movies generally follow what people are talking about, iirc. I believe they data-source places like twitter and facebook for what people are interested in. Either way, I'd prefer the libs go down with their ship. Their way of life is incompatible with the rest of America.

>>131396251
>People that are born in S. Illinois grow up and move a town or two over, they have kids and their kids move back to the first town.
this hit right at home

It's pretty hard to fuck up a lottery. That's why 'legitimate businessmen' run them when the state doesn't protect the right to run the 'numbers'.
You give and give and give and they get so used to taking they even fuck up a sweet deal like the lottery. Hopeless.
Maybe legalising all gambling would work there financially but A) it would never work politically to give negros in one place a bump and not all negros
B) They'd fuck it up with indiscreet crime
They'd all be strutting around in pimp suits talking shit like they do.

Sweat shops and cotton picking are the only alternatives I can see but they just want gibs as you guys correctly assess. The begro has a poor cv... low IQ, criminal record, well earned reputation for lethargy and unpredictability... so let people employ them for $5 dollars per hour plus meals and We'd soon get $$$$$ invested there.
No other options except gibs.

>>131398813
>bergo
*Negro

>>131398670
>Doesn't know what a dirt road is
>Thinks luxuries are infrastructure

>>131392379
Milwaukee government wants to be like Chicago. They are pissing away money on a street train which no one will ride, because they think street trains are trendy. The bus lines already run huge deficits, but who cares about money. Huge pensions, failing public school system and a segregated Black welfare community.

>>131398676
Automation will be great for people already on welfare. The wealthy people who get the income from the machines pay a higher tax percentage.

>>131392989
Wisconsin wants the northern border counties.

>>131398534
>Whites would rather die than toil in service jobs for $5 an hour, living with 4 other people in a 2 bedroom apartment.
>Somehow this is supposed to be a bad thing.

>>131390554
Because morons will gamble their money anyway, so better for these money to go to state.

Illinois probably has enough fertile land to feed the entire country, but the democrats in Chicago are running it into the ground. Socialists ruin everything!

>>131398670
>How exactly will the infrastructure still be in place? Modern infrastructure is based on a constant supply of oil and a 24/7 electric grid.
None of which comes from the cities. Oil refinement isn't produced by cities, and actually have regulations to be outside of populated areas. Same for power plants.
>If the US collapses, how are you so certain that roads (made and paved by petroleum and petro power machinery) will be fixed?
Not all roads need to be paved, and brick roads used to be a thing. You're thinking too much inside the box, also roads outside densely populated areas don't require near the same amount of maintenance.
>How are you so certain that luxuries of every sort (from food to clothes to tools) will be kept in stock when these rely on large trucks to transport them (on roads somehow maintained after oil supplies are gone)?
Trains, Planes, and Boats like it always has been? And you're stuck on saying oil supplies will be gone. Not the case. It would actually be easier to maintain because the demand will be much lower and we won't have to import as much. The US is sitting on a fuckton of oil.
>How do you expect to have the means of charging your computer and to debating on /pol/ when the power suddenly becomes expensive and scarce, due to a lack of money and energy to maintain it?
Will be no such lack of energy and money does not function how you think it does. Perhaps you have a lack of understanding in both these subjects?
>There will be a decreased standard of living for all. Cities might feel the heat sooner, but people soon spread into the country for sanctuary. If your plan is to greet them with bullets, you're going to run out sooner than you think.
This is a gross misunderstanding of how things work. First, this is not a sudden death, it's a slow one and it's not apocalyptic. The government is just going to slowly shut down more and more. The quality and standards of living will only decrease in those bad areas. 1/2

>>131391229
>well, Illinois promised stupid pensions to state employees

It is mainly Teacher and mostly Shitcago teachers

>>131393460
Fellow Missourian here. I second this

>>131398534
Recognizing an unjust deal and refusing to participate in it forces renegotiation of the deal or the deal doesn't happen. If there weren't Hispanics and other low wage workers flowing in businesses would have to pay more or, not have any employees.

>>131390732
>>nig nog golly wogs go full fucking grills
I lol'd harder than I should have.

>>131396251
>pink slip from high school
What is that supposed to be and how high school is even related to vehicle licensing?

>>131392603
People tried to BUY Obama's seat off him. He was caught listening to the petitions and considering them. He wasn't playing ball with the rest of the corrupt politicians, the madigans basically set him up.

>>131398670
>>131399394
2/2
What will happen has already been seen a fuckton of times before, and the cycle is well studied.
The government is going to run out of money and will be too expensive to fund. They'll shut down. It'll become too expensive to offer much aid and that will result in two things happening. One, people will fracture and devolve into many factions. Two, innovation will become paramount. As food and water become scare and the quality drops, people will have to find a economical way to produce both and will.
People will die in the process. Without suffering, there is no united motivation to solve a problem.
Because they did this to themselves, they won't get very much help and there won't be very much charity (respectively) to help. Some will try to move to other areas for sanctuary but will be alienated and forced to leave (economically) because they cannot adapt to the lifestyle.
There is no doomsday civil war from this kind of fall out. Only poor minorities that keep delaying the solution until it cannot be delayed any longer.

>>131396113
You've never driven in Arkansas.

>>131390569
Like their cousin, Detroit. What do they both have in common?

>>131395852
Same here in illinois, thats how they got it passed. But all the money that goes into the education fund is then loaned to the state itself as i understand it, so no money actually hits the schools.

>>131399709
If youre under 18 you need to have taken a drivers education class. Theyre usually offered in highschools. no clue what this guy's problem was.

>>131391367
UP master race

>>131389650
For those of us that actually work outside of Cook County in the Chicagoland area - it is surprising how little of that issue of "the government is falling apart" is to be found. Hell, for every new 'sin tax' the socialists attempt in Cook, the more the working folks use the Metra to get to the downtown from DuPage, Will and so on. Moreover, they just work at those places that have moved out of Cook or were never there to begin with. Truth, I would like to see this statement drag out a few more years - just to wake more folks in Illinois on what is truly considered an 'essential state/local service".

>>131397396
Redefine prosperous and set out goals for a (effectively lower, yet maintainable) standard of living.

Redefine the goals of education, that it filter the brains from the average (drop any No Child Left Behind notions) but leave the average with enough to think critically and to approach problem solving effectively enough. Incidentally, fund trade schools and apprenticeships (shop, tailor, welding, shoe making, etc.)

Set the majority who are capable of work to work on infrastructure and farming.

Redefine money and the value of labor, that it no longer comes entirely from debt and paper trading paper, but at least "Cost the limit of price" and at most allow the majority to measure, maintain, and grow their labor, and to trade and retire off it.

Add, tweak, or take away from this as you like. I argue that we need at least redefine our standard of living, for that will change despite for reasons many of us do grasp (pension problems) and reasons many of us do not (peak oil / peak prosperity).

>>131399800
"This goose here, its fucking golden"
(((set up)))
Please

>>131398670
realistically a canal system could be built and maintained by companies and local government.

Horses could be used instead of cars, although it would take longer.

Coal powered trains could be used and the train network better extended.

Of course this doesnt factor in american urban planning, where everything is really really far apart and spaced out and you basically need a car

>>131399189
>Automation will be great for people already on welfare. The wealthy people who get the income from the machines pay a higher tax percentage.
>Liberal fantasy
Won't happen like that. The *truly* rich don't pay taxes like that. They're not going to just say oh well and hand over more money.
Here's what will happen:
>The rich will develop new technology, driving the cost of older technology down. This will improve the standard of living for the poor.
>The larger the poor populations get, the poorer the quality of food becomes for them, so it can be stretched and still feed everyone.
>Housing will become smaller because the cost will still raise with land values.
>The less poor have to do (constructively) the more deplorable their behavior will become. Poor people are poor because they don't make good decisions.
I could go on, but the liberal fantasy that automation will be a fix all is pure fantasy and nothing else. Socialist ideology has to be the most toxic ideology ever conceived of.

>>131398221
itd still be under the jurisdiction of the federal gov, itd basically be its own state, not its own nation.

>>131400261
>Poor people are poor because they don't make good decisions.

hhhhheheheh

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>>131389650

Chicongo should be VX'd.

Wait a few months then go in and decon/repurpose.

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>>131393375
white people vote, Rauner is already trying to get Kike Madigan to allow a freeze on property taxes.

Kike Madigan is likely to cause enough stalemate to do absolutely nothing until they have to default.

>pensions stop being paid
>schools stop being funded
>credit rating down the toilet, can't get large loans only small ones with high interest
>welfare stops being paid

At that point all of the white people abandon the state for greener pastures.

Shit, I don't want to sell the farm. But it's probably worth more now than it will be in the future. Unless something happens to Kike Madigan... The economy demands it.

>>131397912
>For no one, no one in this world can you trust.

Also ironic, for in arguing how minorities receiving handouts are parasitical, you adapt the maxim essentially of a greater parasite, choosing to be like a lone wasp who feeds and breeds off the hosts of insect communities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitoid_wasp

>>131397469
>democracy is responsible for this mess tbqh
If you ignore the peak oil, that is. Just as you limeys suffered from peak coal in 20's (though really it was the snobbery of monarchy and the corruption of your parliament).

>>131389650
Fuck all of you I live in Illinois
>secretly super excited for the bomb to explode

>>131402222
>2222
bomb confirmed? Is that still a thing?
Also, plz drop bomb and put debt on survivors.

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>>131402222
Confirmed

>>131399394
>Not all roads need to be paved, and brick roads used to be a thing.
In what time frame do you foresee bricks being made and laid, and dirt roads being stamped? I don't see that in the coming future while you and I live.

>The US is sitting on a fuckton of oil.
The cheap stuff peaked in the 70s. We might have reserves remaining, but the energy it takes to get them is more that the energy gained from them. Look at fracking. Were it not the banks bailing them out (by allowing them not to report their losses, it would have bellied up by now.

>Will be no such lack of energy and money does not function how you think it does.
Enlighten me.

>This is a gross misunderstanding of how things work.
True. Decline does often take ages. But the way our lifestyles and economy are so tied to a cheep, finite energy source with no comparable alternative, we might see decline faster than we expect (assuming the weather holds).

http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2011/08/seneca-effect-origins-of-collapse.html

>>131395899
This is weirdly accurate to a degree.

>>131401128
I bet when the cash stops flowing to Kike Madigan's cronies they will turn on him--finally ousting the ornery kike once and for all.

Maybe this is Bruce Rauner's 5d chess?

>>131390696
i'm from MP too w e w

>>131397159
>Tfw you are so insignificant that no one cares that you are there
Never thought I be so happy to be a nobody.

>>131390554

Keynesian economics

>>131389650
How is a state unable to pay a lottery payout?

The odds of winning that states lottery is worse than 1 in 20 million and the current payout is 3 million.

Vegas casinos would love to have those odds, literally guarantees a 7x return on average

How can a state fuck this up so bad?

>>131399806
Well said, actually. This is one more secular cycle.

>There is no doomsday civil war from this kind of fall out.
Granted, /pol/ gives the impression otherwise.

Just don't expect the power to be on all the time. And the success and degree of our cycle is still weather permitting.

Really feels fucking fantastic living in a northern suburb of Chicago knowing you will see smoke coming from downtown in a few months

>>131394422
Top 5:
>California
>Texas
>Ohio
>Colorado
>Florida

Worst 5:
>California
>New York
>New Mexico
>Texas
>Puerto Rico

>>131403651
Texas is one of the best and worst?

>>131389650
There is a process for this in the constitution. Illinois will have to cease being a state and be absorbed by the neighboring states. Also all state properties will be liquidated to pay bond holders. What debt is left over will be defaulted on.

>>131402855
>In what time frame do you foresee bricks being made and laid, and dirt roads being stamped? I don't see that in the coming future while you and I live.
Wasn't the point. I was illustrating that you don't need petroleum for roadways.
>The cheap stuff peaked in the 70s. We might have reserves remaining, but the energy it takes to get them is more that the energy gained from them. Look at fracking.
Misunderstanding. Fracking didn't become more expensive, the Arabs started underselling their oil and are still underselling their oil. There are questions if Dubai will be bankrupts by 2020.
>Were it not the banks bailing them out (by allowing them not to report their losses, it would have bellied up by now.
That's a gross misunderstanding of how business/banking works. The banks aren't responsible for corporate reporting. That actually sounded idiotic.
>Enlighten me. ( on energy and money)
Well supply and demand is a thing, for one. There are a lot of ways to create energy and it's availability will always be more abundant for those who can pay for it. For those who can't, innovation will take over. There's entire engineering disciplines around what you can do with energy (electrical) and what you don't need it for (mechanical).
>True. Decline does often take ages. But the way our lifestyles and economy are so tied to a cheep, finite energy source with no comparable alternative, we might see decline faster than we expect (assuming the weather holds).
You sound more and more like a doomsday liberal without the educational background to be arguing these topics. The standards of living and lifestyles in the US are constantly changing. Where we used to play with sticks outside, we now play on Xboxs. That can revert or progress however it wants. People will always do what is affordable and makes them happy. You're assuming that human progress or decline is directly correlated with energy. It's not. It's directly correlated with petroleum.

>>131403651
this list is stupid.
California is awful to live in, but fun to visit
Texas is great to live in (how is it both best and worse on your list?)

also, Puerto Rico isn't a state, but leave it to a dumburger to think it is

>>131403752
holy shit is it possible we will see a state collapse in our lifetimes??

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>>131403651
Your top 5 list is shit. I can agree with your worst 5 list though.

>>131400256
Certainly. In fact, it would nice to see talk and preparations for the greater expansion of such infrastructure today, as that would acknowledge the predicament peak oil and set to work many good jobs. Seeing as how our new national budget had sought to defund Amtrak, I'm not optimistic about our leaders vision.

>>131389650
>Road construction crews
good, they fucking suck anyways. They have to redo all of I88 because they are incompetent and i take that to work everyday

>>131403651
>>131403745
Can confirm Texas is awful, don't come her... I mean don't ever go there. It's awful. Ridiculous state taxes. And everyone is racist.

>>131403606
>weather permitting
I hate this meme. It's so fucking wrong.
People have survived in deserts for thousands of years and liberals are bitching because where it used to be 85 degrees, it's now 87. There has not been any established truth to apocalyptic climate change. Does the climate change? yes, inherently climate will change. Are humans responsible for massive swings in the climate? No evidence yet of that, and even if it were true, it would be up to India and China to fix it because they're causing it. Do lobbys stand to make billions from scaring people into cap and trade deals? you betcha.

>>131393486
Marion county checking in.

How can the thing with the lottery be true? The prize money should come from ticket sales no? Are they seriously unable to use a model that makes sure the odds make it worth the prize and the prize is based off of tickets or tokens bought? Lame.

>>131397324
Good thing the US isn't a democracy and the founders hated democracy. Why should the majority of unarmed babies terrorize the armed minority?

>>131390554

It's a voluntary tax for people that are bad at math.

>>131404192
Texas has pension debt problems too, namely Ft Worth/Dallas are both headed towards bankruptcy with millions in unfunded pension commitments and an incompetent democrat mayor stealing all the money to give out gibs.

>>131394422
Texas
Colorado
Tennessee
Indiana
Florida

>>131389650
>Illinois' financial problems are so bad that the lottery is about to stop selling tickets because they know the state can't pay the winners
Wat? The point of the lottery is to make money for the state, because the odds of winning are so low compared to the payout. It's an idiot tax. How could they POSSIBLY fuck that up?

Or are you just being a faggot?

>>131389650
>stop selling lottery tickets
>idiot who dont know how a lottery works detected

A lottery makes money for the state dinglebob.

>>131389650
Should rename it Riollinois

HAHAAHHAAH they as broke as you dudes

>>131404341
they steal all the money from the lottery to pay pensions for the jobs the politicians have been handing out to their buddies

corruption is the name of the game in Chicago

>>131390554
Allegedly pays for education. At least thats what every trash lottery ticket addict says.

>>131391331
I wonder if Chicago will break last year's murder record? Can't wait till it really gets hot and I pray for some power outages. I live in Michigan and occasionally am forced to travel to that shithole. I CCW there even though it's illegal for me to do so.

>>131389650

>unable to pay lottery

Thats literally managing free income, only a retard could fuck up a lottery.

>>131390554
I resent all the bad stuff you're saying about lottery players. Many are probably ly shit-tier, but I spend about many 20 bucks every two months on this thing... I know the odds of winning as astronomically low, but there is still a chance... after there are many peopLe who have won...

Right now that I have a job and am saving most of my money, with about 3,400 in the bank, I feel alright gambling a bit if it's just 20 bucks I'm risking...

It's done out of desperation really.

>>131391367
269 here...

>>131389650
Where not to move as these places are near bankruptcy due to enormous pension debts:

>CT (entire state could go bankrupt like IL)
>California (CalPERS is only 68% funded, and the pension investment CA did only returned 0.6% in 2016 instead of predicted 7%) though they can pretend for another 5 or so years the problem doesn't exist due to so much income.
>Texas .. almost every major city (Houston, Dallas, Austin ect) owes pensions bankrupting the budget
>NY State in same problems as California, but they are raiding emergency funds to cover budgets for now
>NJ ready to go bankrupt any day, they are CT/IL tier
>KY ready to go bankrupt any day.

Find the state with the least government debt, and no pension debt. Otherwise you will be paying more and more taxes every single year to cover the debt.

>>131391367
Midwest Paradise. Wisconsin is checking in as well.

>>131398534

>basically you are saying that white working class prefers to die from heroin addiction rather than live like hispanics who take their jobs for lower wages
>If so this white working class does not deserve to live especially given the ai boom we gonna face soon

It's all about perspective, anon. Hispanics come from shithole countries, and compared to those conditions life in the US is a dream come true, a land of opportunity. We work hard, and our tax dollars are spent subsidizing the shitskins and lazy assholes. We fucking hate it. We have a right to be disillusioned and nihilistic.

>>131405153
WOW, never knew there was so much pension corruption in the USA

>>131393393
Why the flying fuck is Wisconsin mid-tier? Is because of Madison and Shillwaukee?

>>131395838
>>131398323
someone post the original?

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>>131389650
No one saw that coming.

>>131405391
It's nowhere near Brazil-tier, but it's still really bad. Same for most countries, seeing as they are run by the same international banking cartel.

>>131405391
Tip of the iceberg, those are just the worst situations but all US states except a select few will eventually have a pension crisis. Market returns for pension funds have been shit for years

>>131405714
Despite what you may believe, Brazil is not broke (gdp/to debt is positive)

Many states are quite wealthy.

Rio is broke but that does not reflect the economic condition of the entire country

>>131395753
My grandfather grew up in Fall River. When he goes back to visit once a year, he's shocked by how much the once-prosperous city has fallen.

>>131405781
Same condition as some states here in Brazil. especially in the poorest places like the northeast

>>131391818
I went in to pickup food for under a minute with flashers on and there was a maid writing a ticket. She just appeared instantly. Thing is it was marked no parking for no reason other than it was a space only big enough for one car thus not cost effective to install a meter there, so it's like ok fuck you then no parking. I called her a drain on society amen called her a fuckin nigger and tossed an empty water bottle in her direction when I drove off.

>>131397396
We nuke it from orbit.

>>131403865
>I was illustrating that you don't need petroleum for roadways.
Obvious. But your attitude is simply "Things will work out".

>the Arabs started underselling their oil and are still underselling their oil.

But not on purpose. They to have peaked. Their difficulty seems more of actually selling at a price where they profit, while demand has dropped due to global financial problems.

>The banks aren't responsible for corporate reporting. That actually sounded idiotic.

And yet it's happening.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-05/next-default-wave-banks-have-quietly-shrunk-these-25-energy-companies-credit-facilit

>Well supply and demand is a thing, for one.
This doesn't explain anything of money or economics. Even Adam Smith opens with a talk about the labor theory of value. Labor is directed work, and work is energy.
>For those who can't, innovation will take over.
Not if they don't have the means.

>You sound more and more like a doomsday liberal without the educational background to be arguing these topics.
You sound like an optimistic, free market conservative who more apt to rationalize the data within the sphere of his knowledge than to deal with them. Also, "It's directly correlated with petroleum" seem to contradict "human progress or decline is [not] directly correlated with energy."

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>>131405781
Every empire thinks that the money will flow forever and institutes a welfare state. They do this before their collapse.

>>131406077
I swear, the word "pension" was not there when I first responded to your post.

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>>131389650
I live like 80 miles from Chicago I fucking hate Chicago and wish the city would burn. /cpd/ is going to be great here in a few weeks.

>>131389650
Illinois is a shithole. I hate seeing their plates driving around South County like gtfo your state is already fucked don't spread it here, go back to your strippers and crack on the other side of the river.

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>>131396147

Champaign is a shithole overrun with liberals and niggers shooting each other

>>131404232
>People have survived in deserts for thousands of years
Survival is not growth. And you hate those sand survivalist.

>No evidence yet of that, and even if it were true, it would be up to India and China to fix it because they're causing it.
Nice meme!

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>>131406584
Are you ready for what comes next?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA13akwRFBc

>>131406451
I believe you

I wrote an e-mail one time on g-mail and my friend asked me: " what the fuck did you write?", he sent me a screen shot and the word <israel> was added in the middle of my e-mail...I had not typed it in the original...

Isreal, for no fucking reason in the middle of my e-mail

>>131406584
>influx of foreigners confirmed U.S.

>>131404446
Yes, it's a republic on the federal level. But it is democratic at the state.

>>131392989
NWI Hoosier here. PLEASE take Gary.

>>131406169
Problem is all politicians avoid any responsibility and just try and shift the issue to the next incoming administration.

For example NY the guy (Cuomo) may want to make a presidential run, so what he's doing is raiding their emergency funds instead of jacking taxes as a temporary quick fix. By the time his potential POTUS run comes into play is when the emergency funds run out and he can just leave that mess for whoever takes over in NY (who will be forced to jack taxes into the stratosphere to cover the debt).

Political ambition and optics trumps any kind of fiscal responsibility, just bankrupt the entire state on your way to the top

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>>131406763

i'm in southern illinois. if the north would get the fuck out our faces we'd be a good, southern state. i'm nowhere near chicago or springfield. northern il is normies tryna infiltrate my shit. now we poor af fuck the dnc

>>131390569
this is from years of state worker and teacher unions getting crazy retirement benefits in their contracts. everybody except the taxpayer agrees, and the papers are signed. then one day somebody realizes that the "plans" weren't adequately funded, and the retirees don't have the common courtesy to drop dead until twenty years or more after their retirement. you think Illinois is f_cked? this is probably happening in most states and the US federal government. there is definitely a storm coming. grabbing the health care system was the "progressives" hope to stop gap some of the costs, but government is the problem, adding more government can't solve the problem. they are too arrogant and too stupid to fix it, so it keeps getting more broke.

>>131405391
It's an epidemic in most first world countries because it's much more palatable to dip into the pension funds than to raise taxes or cut services

>>131392204
My uncle called it a stupid tax. How much you pay is according to how stupid you are. A Dollar a week? You're not that stupid. Sink you college fund into buying lottery tickets? You are extraordinarily stupid and paid the appropriate tax.

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>>131390125
>chicongo
it is more about teachers and cops and their cadillac pensions, the union goon mentality in this state is strong

>>131390965
>High taxes? Go live in Minnesota for 5 years and talk about high taxes.
Illinois has moderate income tax levels. However, say in Cook County Chicago, sales tax is 10%. Plus Illinois has really, really really high property taxes. If you own say an about $300k or $350k home the taxes the property taxes you pay on it each year is enough to pay the mortgage payment on about a $150k home loan.

>>131406691
Napalm Urbana and things would be fixed.

>>131390696
I run MP YOU FUCKING PUNK BITCHES. YOU DEFINITELY KNOW ME TOO MOTHAFUCKAS

>>131403265
I RUN MP BITCH

>>131407712
>>131390696
>>131403265
Catch me outside the MPPL and I will rek u nerds. I run these streets

>>131389650
WE
WUZ
DEMOCRATS
AN
SHIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

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>>131395898
A Liberal father and son, watching pornography together:
>Dad, how many people have to die before we start changing things?
The father stops stroking for a moment and laughs
>All of them, son, all of them.

>>131391818
>Now they have state paid meter maids writing tickets for payouts to a private company.
sounds ancap af

>>131392603
Blagojevich did nothing wrong

>>131398348
You must be retarded. Northern Indiana is best Indiana.

>>131404834

Yeah I can't imagine anything else really.

>>131396051
Friend of mine is retired Chicago cop.who moved south. When someone asked him why he was leaving Chicago he replied, "I'm moving to America."

>>131396113
Don't forget Maryland has the worst drivers out there too.

>>131408593
It is the teacher's unions
99% of property tax goes to CPS and their fat payroll and pensions

>>131392681
I live in Indiana; it's boring as shit and nothing ever happens here.

>>131399191
NO we don't...

>>131409086
>wanting to live in a place where things happen

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>>131396626
I live in Dupage county. Help me. They're flooding in from Chicago.

>>131395900
McHenry Countyfag here
>mfw we stayed republican bc the mafia lives here
>mfw JimmyJohn's founder has a cocaine safe house 3 blocks from my house
>mfw weve been corrupt since the 1920s

>>131389650
i would suggest putting a wall around it and enacting martial law....the niggers will start to move out otherwise they must be contained!!!

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NORTH WEST INDIANA, STOCK UP ON AMMO

>t. Hoosierfag

>>131410683
rly?

I'm from here. I live here. It's a fucking nightmare. Fuck this state. I would rather live in Florida or in Georgia.

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>>131406847
Oh shit. Hammond reporting in.
I always hate how they lump us in with Chicago.
We are nothing like Chicago, culturally. (We are not like the rest of Indiana that much either, but damn, don't lump us in with Chicago!)

Tfw live in the 219
Tfw close enough to see the city burn but far and white enough for it to not matter

>>131411173
You know you're going to take so many refugees when the gibs dry up in shitcago. Luckily IN doesn't have as much gibs to gib.

THIS IS AFRICA
WE WUZ KANGS
GIB ME DAT WELFARE WHIETY

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>>131389650
>almost moved back there to be with folks

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>>131408593
The anon is feeding you incomplete information. It isn't just the pensions, its the fact that we outright sold our lottery system to a private firm in order to fix the 2010 budget. There wasn't a single voter in the state that thought that was a good idea at the time. Its hard to make money on a lottery system when you're obligated to pay out rewards but not obligated to 100% of the profit. The only money Illinois gets from it's lottery is the tax they collect out of the prizes... and they're paying almost half of the prize out from taxes they've collected elsewhere.

The whole state is fucked. Shit like that is entrenched at every level of our government. It needs to burn to cinders before it can get better.

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>>131411942
People are already buying up houses here like mad. Lots of new construction, too. The IL fags that moved here, the ones I know personally, still vote democrat. Lake county democrats are almost as bad as Cook county democrats. When will they ever learn?

I know a few people from Gary. THEY complain when Chicago people move to the hood. Chicago nogs are apparently more violent and cause more problems than hometown Gary-nogs.

>>131412230

I dunno man there's lots of new places being built but still not a lot of people to fill in the homes, at least where I'm from in Crown Point.

Also Gary is just as niggery as Chicago just in a small town form.

>>131393393
>forgetting Missouri and Iowa
>including the Plains states (Dakotas, Nebraska)

>>131397451
This.
Milwaukee is approaching Detroit-tier in terms of crime and dysfunction. The sooner I get out of here the better.

>>131390481
Fucked

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>>131412430
Crown Point is expanding like crazy. I kinda hate to see the little comfy town tear down forests and grasslands for shitty townhomes. Most townhomes will be filled with Hammond and Highland people fleeing south, and more IL fags will move in soon. Mark my words.

>Stay racist!

>>131389650
Martin Armstrong saw this happening 5 years ago.
Probably not the only one to predict this.
I hope they crash hard, and hope there are NO bailouts with my tax money.

>>131406391
>Obvious. But your attitude is simply "Things will work out".
Because they literally always do.
>But not on purpose. They to have peaked.
Unsubstantiated claim. Will ignore.
>And yet it's happening.
No, you idiot, they're just not loaning as much credit. That generally happens when interest rates rise. And the (shale) companies are not petroleum companies. They're natural gas companies that got hammered because oil became cheap again. They're whole reason for getting popular was because they became cheaper than oil.
>This doesn't explain anything of money or economics. Even Adam Smith opens with a talk about the labor theory of value. Labor is directed work, and work is energy.
> labor theory of value
so you're a communist and wouldn't understand basic econmics if I explained it. Understanding supply and demand is paramount to understanding markets and the economy. Google it yourself.
>Not if they don't have the means.
Commie bullshit
>You sound like an optimistic, free market conservative who more apt to rationalize the data within the sphere of his knowledge than to deal with them.
He says to someone while asking how money and economics work.
>Also, "It's directly correlated with petroleum" seem to contradict "human progress or decline is [not] directly correlated with energy."
You're [literally] a moron if you think all energy is petroleum.
Either way, I'm not going to argue with a communist because being one demonstrates a complete lack of understanding and a attitude to not attempt to try. Have fun in the hellhole you're living in.

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>>131398941
>bergo

The worst of both worlds.....BERGO

>>131391007
damn anon, that is a brilliant idea.
very logical.

CRASHING THIS STATE WITH NO SURVIVORS

Is there a way to make mad dosh from this ?

>>131396273
the problem is at lot of our economy is propped up by the tourist dollars of kikes and fags from massive two shits and jew york if those places go belly up we arnt gonna be looking much better

>>131406763

this happened to the east as well

>>131412230
>Lake county democrats are almost as bad as Cook county democrats.

This. I live in this hell hole, and they are some of the dumbest left wing asses you can find at times. I mean knuckle-draggingly dumb.

>>131399709
>>131399709
In Illinois you have to take a driver ed class. When you pass it they give you a note to take to the dmv. The state where I came ffrom didnt have this system.

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The problem with communism is eventually you run out of other people's money.