Death penalty

>>131382019
>Should the death penalty be a thing? Should the state have the power to decide who lives and who dies?

Yes. Not only should the death penalty be a thing, it should be THE way to punish anti-social crimes like murder or rape. Look, when you go to prison you're punished at least 3 times. The first time is when you're sentenced, society has deemed that you need to go to adult time-out. The second time is while in prison, you're beaten up or raped or psychologically tortured. The third time is when you get out of prison, the fact that you were in prison follows you around effectively preventing you from getting a decent job.

It's no way for a person to have to live, murderer or not. It's far better to just kill the offender and be done with it.

>>131382019
NO!! Abolish all prisons and decriminalizes all crimes (except murder and rape)

>Looks at current leadership in justice system
No.

>>131382019
Yes

The State is a social contract and has the right to decide punishment and what it means to leave the group.

The fact that people give taxes to fund prisons makes life long sentences immoral as you are now forcing someone to give a portion of their income to a person that has killed someone they know or cared for. That victim is now paying for their culprits livelihood.

As such we must constitute what is a reasonable degree as this constitutes all crimes. So we must break it down to the means and ways which I will not do here.

But in short crippling or gross unrecoverable bodily harm along with murder should constitute the death penalty at the discretion of those affected. If none are left that are affected then it comes to the State who should pass the most severe penalty with haste.

It is innocent until proven guilty not innocent until your 12th appeal.

>bbbut it costs more to execute than it does to have them spend life in prison
One is a repruction of action the other is sustaining life. Not comparable not to mention how bullshit that number is that does not even take employee fees, food fees, or space for lesser offenders (tax fees for those deserving). Instead it's just a blanket cost of living fee.