1984

>>131372996
yeah, It's like they think 1 plus 1 is three.

>>131372996
Knowing these kikes they probably changed the message of the book to be le fuck drumpf. Only reason they'd do it in the first place.

>>131372996
>getting arrested

This makes me feel good

Criminal scum level cos of feels.

ENCORE!

>>131372996
>1984
>lefties having any clue what it actually tries to convey

Like "the left can't meme", the left is also entirely incapable of reasonable and structured thought, critical theory and other marxist nonsense will do that to your brain.

They simply will not recognize what the actual message was, and instead they'll take away "torture bad, government trump bad, love trumps hate, le drumpf" and other superficial nonsense.

>>131372996
its quite ironic that the dont realize that 1948 was about the dangers of an out of control socialist goverment much in the same as orwels animal farm. and that the dont seem to be realzing that there inplementing the exact same policies like "hatespeech"

>>131378383
>1948
i made a typo i meant 1984

>>131378383
but youre wrong, re-read the book

>>131378383
>>131378579
Less about hatespeech more about government decided permissible speech.

The irony is actually astounding.

>>131378579
It pertains to all forms of authoritarianism that takes hold of every aspect of life. Including language, which they would love to regulate.

>>131378383
the main message of the book was that you must always think critically

Also currently reading more, and I feel that Brave New World applies to us more

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>>131378383

Animal farm was more about how the struggles of power in the post-revolution bolshevik party ruined what could have (in Orwells opinion) emerged as a good communist republic.

1984 is more about how unchecked totalitarian ideologies end up dominating every aspect of life, both fascist and socialist. Orwell himself was a leftist but more of a libertarian leftist if there is such a thing. He was against gun control, very much pro free speech and the rights of the individual. But that requires something almost non existant to work, an informed population.

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>>131378781

Yes, brave new world is indeed more applicable than 1984 if you want to draw parallells with todays society. But I think that is down to PC liberalism dominating since the second world war ended, had the US not emerged as the actual super power, running eights around the soviet union in terms of economy, I'm sure 1984 would be closer.

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>Fainting
>Vomiting
I have seen this before

>>131378659
But "hatespeech" is a prime example of what Orwell warned about, though. Its just another form of thoughtcrime.

>>131372996
Also I feel that Brave New World applies to us more. Please no spoilers for anyone that's read it. I'm only a quarter of the way through.

So far it's
>Corporations use gimmicks to force spread of consumerism. Useless gadgets for everything
>Information is widely available, however people are too indoctrinated to properly interpret any of it
>Bluepilled society wastes time with entertainment beyond anything else
>Promiscuity and destruction of the family
>Secularist society where government is God
>World controllers scheming everything
>Use drugs and hormones to subdue and sedate the population to prevent revolt

Obviously 1984 has applications such as war perpetuating itself for business purposes. Government surveillance, drones included etc.

>>131372996
Wtf am I reading?

"""Alternative facts"""

Jeez, I wonder why Trump is associated with 1984.

>>131379077
The fuck outta here CNN

>>131378659
Which in todays context in the west is hatespeech. "Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two makes four. If that is granted, all else follows" applies to saying "muslim immigrants are a 5th column" in the West as much as it applies to saying "Kim Jong Un is a dictator" in the People's Republic of North Korea.

>>131378979
Absolutely. 1984 is when the people know the government has power. Brave New World is when the people think they have power, when really the government has the power. It's all really if you want to control the people directly or indirectly. In the case of the west we are as a whole slaves to our own greed

>>131379077
It's not like the last president actually blocked certain news organizations entirely that he didn't like from press meetings *cough cough Fox cough cough Obama*

Trump has not restricted anyones free speech or access. He has merely disputed their almost unchecked bullshit

>>131379077
considering that dems/progressives and their pr arm the media provably lies in one hour much much more than trump did in his entire primary and now term should tell you something, but considering that you are a dem i probably cant tell you anything cause you have the iq of public toilet.

>>131379017
Brave New World is more apt to describe current events, absolutely. Kinda surprising in how much it's forgotten about.
Orwell was worried government would use force to subordinate everyone.
Huxley was worried government would use pleasure to subordinate everyone.

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>>131379153
this, we live in Brave New World, I give it decade or two and it will become 1984

>>131378979

the part about 1984 that seems to apply to the USA is that we always have an enemy that justifies our enormous military budget. When the USSR broke up, pretty soon Islamic terrorism filled the void. And now it seems that Russia and NK might be looming as major threats.

I'd love to go back to 1950 and have the USA mind its own business. How many European, Middle Eastern, Asian, and African wars would have occurred, with what outcome. In spite of our efforts, there has been war after war anyway, and everyone hates us, and we can't afford things like health care.

And as for Brave New World, the government doesn't really encourage any sort of drug to dull us into obedience, and the mass media that we love is pretty much what we want. The "joos" don't actually force us to like crap; we gobble it up because we love it.

>>131379375

The books a re synonymous with Brave NEw World definately being the reality.

1984 has to do with surveillance, therefore normies can handle it mentally, Brave new world is for non retards

>>131378860
Bretty much the only based Anglo

>>131379153
Brave New World is about conditioning people from birth to accept their station, 1984 is about a goverment maintaining power for the sake of power. Brave New World looks closer to the modern world than 1984, because we're basically at the stage of a lot of the population taking half-gramme holidays already, but the language policing is far closer to 1984 "badwords are censored so much with the aim that opposing views can no longer be expressed because there's no language left to express them" than BNW's "most people don't want to speak out because they've been taught from birth to accept their station and are happy with it, but if you speak out too much you'll get exiled to the islands where science and shit still goes on".

obamas patriot act(with digital varient) was the most orwellian thing to happen

the things he let the deep state and alphabet agencies get away with is astonishing

the laws enacted to prevent privacy and security

the laws enacted to silence our speech and prevent a podium for our opinion

>>131379288
>It's not like the last president actually blocked certain news organizations entirely that he didn't like from press meetings *cough cough Fox cough cough Obama*

Obama never blocked Fox. Nice alternative fact, though.

>>131379017
>Brave New World
The novel opens in London in AF 632 (AD 2540 in the Gregorian calendar). The society is illuminated by the activities of the novel's central characters, Lenina Crowne and Bernard Marx, and others. Lenina, a hatchery worker, is socially accepted and contented, but Bernard, a psychologist in the Directorate of Hatcheries and Conditioning, is not. He is shorter in stature than the average of his Alpha caste—a quality shared by the lower castes, which gives him an inferiority complex. His intelligence and his work with hypnopaedia allow him to understand, and disapprove of, the methods by which society is sustained. Courting disaster, he is vocal and arrogant about his differences. Bernard is mocked by other Alphas because of his stature, as well as for his individualistic tendencies, and is threatened with exile to Iceland because of his nonconformity. His only friend is Helmholtz Watson, a lecturer at the College of Emotional Engineering. The friendship is based on their feelings of being misfits (in the context of the World State), but unlike Bernard, Watson's sense of alienation stems from being exceptionally gifted, intelligent, handsome, and physically strong. Helmholtz is drawn to Bernard as a confidant.

eat cock

>>131372996
>Are they accidentally red pilling themselves?

No. Lefties never engage politics on a logical level, which would be required for them to understand the irony.

They engage it exclusively on an emotional level, where they don't question if things make sense but only if they feel right.

>>131378781
>>131378979
Fahrenheit 451 fits pretty fucking well, too. You could actually just cut it down to Beatty's monologue when he visits Guy, the rest of the book is mostly padding.

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>>131379506

>1950
>U.S. "minding its own business"

Guess you forgot about the Korean War, huh? Or do they not teach that shit in high school anymore? By the end of WW II, the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were in the midst of a Cold War that would last until 1991. After that, the U.S., having won the Cold War, would embark on a series of misadventures in the name of "democratizing" the Third World and the former Soviet Bloc. It has not stopped since. This is coming from an American patriot and military veteran who *hates* our foreign policy and wishes we'd stop playing World Police and get our own shit in order.

>>131379545

I would think a person would like Lord Byron too, and the fact that the empire, together with Russia, assisted your fight for independence.

>>131379646

If only Robert A. Taft had become president, so much shit would have been prevented.

While I dont prescribe to the jewish stuff here, I think you're wrong about our culture being a consumerist hedonistic society because we like it. Temperateness used to be a virtue, and I think the death of christianity in Europe is what has caused this.

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I didn't even know about this until I passed the theater and was like wtf is this shit 1984 on Broadway and then was like oh let me guess because of Trump. I made a scowl as I passed the theater.

>>131379751
>tfw in obamas term you could be thrown into gitmo without a hearing or jury

>tfw you could have been labeled a terrorist without evidence or the person a chance to defend themselves in a court of law

>tfw people like manning had just that happen

>tfw people in gitmo were raped and tortured

>tfw this went on obamas whole term

>tfw obama let the cia torture innocent people in the middle east

>tfw obama let them drone civillians by the 100s (lots of leaks of video)

>tfw isis was a response to this

>tfw if trump every created a law like the patriot act it would of started a civil war

>tfw lefties are worse than boot lickers

they are cock suckers

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>>131380154

When Bush II passed the Patriot Act, the left correctly read him the riot act. When Obama doubled down on it and extended executive orders and power, the left was silent. Now that Trump is in office, the left is even more shrill than they were with Bush. It's partisanship all the way down.

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>>131372996

>>131380154

Don't forget Hillary was advising Obama to do all this. It's got her fingerprints all over it. Sure Obama didn't have to listen to her but she can blackmail like nobody's business.

>>131380356

If you cross your eyes on that image to line them up, it's 3D!

>>131372996
i dont get it
what is it about 1984 that triggers them and makes them do crime?

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>>131379751
the UK snoopers charter is actually worse. also don't forget he Trump administration is taking surveillance even further than Obama. this is happening across the world simultaneously though. the truly scary thing is how little the public opposes it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Powers_Act_2016#Authorities_allowed_to_access_Internet_connection_records

>>131378943
He was a socialist at one point but after the crimes of communism were revealed he gave up the ideology entirely but Wikipedia won't tell you that.

>>131380367

One is a what, 30 year old woman who is contesting against some of the fittest women on the planet, the other was compared to mostly aged old men who has done no actual work their entire life. False equivalence if i ever saw it.

>>131379850

I had to read BNW in school, but, either I had a different copy than you or our English teacher totally "conditioned" us to understand the book in a totally different way (we were concentrating on the drugs an environment the whole time...) cause I've never looked at it this way.... Fucking schools

>>131380527

As a foreigner living in London, I am absolutely AMAZED at how much londoners trust government and trust that CCTV will keep them safe. Actually all it does it allow the government to put up creepy big brother sees you signs everywhere. They do no good otherwise, they can't unstab or unrape you, or even make sounds when they catch something going on.

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>>131380090
>Guess you forgot about the Korean War, huh?

You are a special kind of stupid.

I can't tell whether or not the rest of your post agrees with mine or not.

Have a nice day.

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>>131380470

Fascinating.

>>131380481

The same shit that happened that happened when the Exorcist. It was claimed people having heart attacks and whatnot from the movie.

1984's case I think it's just the use of excessive violence and lots of blood.

>>131380758
They can't handle finding out the social policies they want to implement are used by people with authoritarian ambitions and they literally in there own 1984 while viewing this film.

>>131378383
You've never read the book have you

>>131380527
>>131380681
same thing is happening everywhere, it's just more difficult in the US because of its size and constitution. but there's ways around it. here's an interesting article on the subject.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/16/the-rules-of-the-brave-new-cyberworld/

>>131372996
Lefty here, it's because they identify the tendency toward autocratic policies and the willingness of his supporters to back what, for all intents and purposes, appears to be a personality cult around the man.

Of course, 1984 had more to do with the political sanitization of language being used to control the people, which the left is currently much more guilty of despite a strong showing of effort from the right.

>>131372996
They read it for their English class in school, they were dumb kids (they're still dumb) so all they remember is that it was about a government that isn't sunshine and rainbows, so they post "LUMPF = 1984" on twitter to look smart

Ironically, something closer to 1984 would be the UK arresting people for not liking muslims

>>131380865
"A strong effort by the right" by who Laura loomer? I think the alt right is too pro free speech for it's own good.

>>131378860
>>131379545
My beliefs are close to Orwell's own
I still the best kind of country was Sweden up until a decade or two ago

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>>131380700

I am such a special kind of stupid that I have totally missed how you've disproved what I said. You originally implied that the U.S. was "minding its own business" in 1950, and, furthermore, that there was a culture of isolationism in the U.S. at the time. That is clearly not the case, and the Korean War is a perfect example (the U.S. did the heavy lifting in that war, as it *usually* does).

>>131380864
notice how they put 'anonymous' in the same category as ISIS

"While the Islamic State conducts most of its operations in the physical realm, hacking networks like Anonymous rely predominantly on digital capabilities. Despite Anonymous having little, if any, centralized command structure, the group (or individuals claiming to be affiliated with the group) has successfully attacked government agencies, major international corporations, and political figures.

Anonymous and the Islamic State both demonstrate a central feature of the digital age: Even decentralized non-state actors can wield considerable power through the acquisition and deployment of cybercapacity. We should expect this trend to intensify quickly."

>>131378943
George Orwell on liberal intellectuals

From a letter to Noel Willmett written in 1944:

'Most of them are perfectly ready for dictatorial methods, secret police, systematic falsification of history etc. so long as they feel that it is on ‘our’ side.'

>>131379752
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us/politics/23fox.html?mcubz=2

>The first real shot from the White House, however, came when aides excluded “Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace” — which they had previously treated as distinct from the network — from a round of presidential interviews with Sunday morning news programs in mid-September.

>In a sign of discomfort with the White House stance, Fox’s television news competitors refused to go along with a Treasury Department effort on Thursday to exclude Fox from a round of interviews with the executive-pay czar Kenneth R. Feinberg that was to be conducted with a “pool” camera crew shared by all the networks.
>a Treasury Department effort on Thursday to exclude Fox from a round of interviews

>>131381161
Both controlled opposition so they can take away our individual liberties as well as anything nationalistic.

>>131381239
Straight to archive
https://archive.is/kRSod

saw the movie, it wasn't a big deal.

>>131380935
Or Germany arrested 36 people for 'hate speech' on Twitter

Stupid people never connect the dots though, and the lefty is both unintelligent and brainwashed. I have never met a genuinely intelligent individual who is left wing. If they are supposedly smart but are unable to use basic logic, they are little more than autism machines - useful in useless theoretical fields because they can spew numbers quickly

>>131381239
That's right, an "effort". They didn't actually get banned though, unlike what happened with the Trump administration.

>>131381360
>when aides excluded “Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace”

>>131381360
Slander(which I don't believe should exist)is a real thing my friend. You can't say the president had hookers piss on a bed as he watched and laughed while saying racist shit.

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>>131380960
>too pro free speech
too pro free speech
>too pro free speech
too pro free speech

communist faggot

>>131379017
Brave New World is what applies to America
1984 is what applies to UK and Germany

>>131381435
A single interviewer, from a single round of interviews. You seriously think that's comparable to blocking an entire news network?

>>131378781
It's combination of both.

>>131379017
The jungle kid fucks Bernard's waifu and commits suicide

>>131379077
>alternative facts
being an alternative to lies is virtuous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTWY14eyMFg

>>131381584
>blocking an entire news network
Proofs?

>>131380960
>implying there should be limits on speech
>ever
get out you commie scum

>>131380154
>they are cock suckers

I don't think they mind that label.

>>131380960
>Too pro free speech for it's own good.
Well that's kind of a shitty attitude to have. But no, I was talking about shit like this:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article12983720.html
Or alternatively the Shakespeare in the Park debacle.

>>131381236
That much is obvious
Liberal intellectuals want to guide humanity
I'm sure they are smart, maybe even very smart, but they cannot for the life of them understand that not everyone is that smart
They believe people are simply uneducated, and educating them will make everyone smarter and better
So they see themselves as parents, they do things the "children" don't want, but they're just children they can't understand yet, they'll see reason when they grow up

>>131372996
What are they fainting, vomiting, and getting arrested over?

>>131372996
all these "hurf durf lefties dum xDDD" talk

go ask the next guy you see wearing a maga hat what he thinks of 1984

$10 bucks says he'd answer with "i wasnt born yet"

Just poz my memory hole up faam

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>>131372996
>trump isnt also part of a corporate-fascist totalitarian movemeny with any regard for human dignity
/Po/l has turned into a bunch redditard faggots with zero critical thinking skills.

>>131380865
>personality cult
As a non-American, to me it seems that leftists are much more preoccupied with Trump than right wingers are.

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Myself and my stuffed animals prefer Animal Farm. Pic related.

>>131380129
>wtf is this shit 1984 on Broadway
You should it, along with Orwells other books you fucking pleb.

>>131372996
Leftists always project, they always blame other people for what they are really doing

>>131381914
How old are you?

>>131381757
the redpill is a tough pill to swallow.

>>131380367
I fucking hate these people. They flat out lie while going on about muh 1984 as if they've ever read it.
Trump never called her miss Piggy or mocked her for being fat. He saved her career, mocked himself and the reporters. It wasn't Trump that thought she was fat, it was the reporters, so he came out saying that we're all a bit fat pointing to himself and saying that some of the reporters in the room aren't that fit either.
He told them to chill out and got a personal trainer to work with Alicia Machado.

The ''miss Piggy'' thing is completely made up. There is no recording of Trump ever calling her that. There is no evidence the two of them have ever been alone together in the same room.
These people either lie or they can't be bothered to check the facts, then they go on about muh 1984 and bringing up ''alternative facts''.

Is she naked on stage like they were in the movie?

>>131381701
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/us/politics/trump-russia-meeting-american-reporters-blocked.html

>>131372996
They believe Trump will usher in a 'Dark Era' just like in 1984. I read the book a couple years back, and studied it in high shcool.

They don't want to admit that THEY are the ones pushing for more government, they are the ones who created wrongthink, and thought crimes, yet THEY complain about how ''Trump is LITERALLY BIG BROTHER''.

And the weak leftist audience faints and vomits ? Holy shit, These are the people who want you to obey or dfie, people who can't stand A FUCKING PLAY.

Plays about right-wing death squads when ?

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>>131378307
>Like "the left can't meme",

>>131378307
>>131375480
>>131375480
>>131378307
>>131378383
>>131378667
>>131381492
>>131380935

All the Trumpers pointing to 1984 and saying it's an indictment of leftist government. The irony is palpable.
1984 is a condemnation of people entrusting autocratic governments and allowing their freedom to be taken in return for "safety." He originally wrote it to condemn those of his fellow naive socialists who saw promise in the soviet union and communism after just defeating fascism in the second world war.

Autocracy in all forms is a cucked ideology. You're handing your power over to a daddy dom. Or a "God Emporer." And they will turn on you.

>>131380529
>I don't have a source so I'll say what I like and claim people won't tell you it.

>>131382174
>reporters should be allowed in private meetings.

you are trying to imply some sort of preferential treatment.

this is not evidence of that.

The make shit real somebody need to adapt it to current year and replace everything with "politically correct culture", feminism, etc.
>name: "2084" or "Current year"
>Big Sister

>>131382366
>>reporters should be allowed in private meetings.

Russian reporters were allowed.

>>131382174
That's just exclusion from a single meeting :^)

<gay

>>131381872
You leftists trying to pretend you belong here should at least try to fit in by not spewing a bunch of buzzwords
>wtf Trump is fascist authoritarian egalitarian reactionary with no regards for the concept of humanitarian rights
>how do you do fellow white people?

>>131382454
the embassy contingent included a photographer that took pictures for russian media

stop reading fake news.

>>131382325
>You're handing your power over to a daddy dom.

How? Trump hasn't done anything and isn't doing anything to change the way the US government works. Sure, the US is rapidly becoming a one-party state, but that's not Trump's fault, tell the Democrats to stop losiing elections.

>>131382422
>tfw no Big Sister who records you fapping every night

https://www.cnet.com/news/rule-41-you-cant-hide-from-government-hacking-warrant/

>>131372996
>Everyone inform's on each other
1984 is a warning against American "left" and "right" doxing each other.

They both support different aspects of their establishment.

>fainting and vomiting
lol

>>131382325
Trump isn't taking away anyone's freedom and he was democratically elected.

>>131381731
Sure, some of them have high IQ. Having a high IQ doesn't in and of itself make one a good person, nor a wise leader. Courage, for example, honor, integrity, has little to do with whether or not a person can solve a Rubix cube in under a minute. I find that most leftists are in fact cowards.

>>131382628
Yeah Trump, his son in law Kushner and his pedo friend Epstein sure have the best interests of the average american in mind.
You should improve the global gene pool by euthanizing yourself.

>>131372996
Trump is the antithesis to 1984 you yabbo. If you think otherwise you are trying to slant this board. I don't agree with everything that Donald does but he's no totalitarian dictator. America is nice. You might like it. I worked with this chick at Schneider that married an aussie. He divorced her as soon as he was naturalized. Must be something good up here.

>>131383130
That's debatable on both points.

He's at least tried to limit freedom of movement for muslims, and the US electoral college is one of the most deeply flawed voting systems in the free world.

>>131372996
Why does Wilde look like a black woman?

JUST

>>131383146
If he successfully stopped the flow of illegals and reduced immigration, the average American would see a rise in real wages.

Mass immigration is far right economic policy.

>>131383142
Courage, honor, and integrity don't make a good or wise leader either anon.

>>131383276
>tried to reduce the movement of people from 4 foreign countries with high risk of terrorism
>Taking away his voters freedoms

Oh, you are one of those people.

>>131383276
Hey guys I found a reddit.

>The next moment a hideous, grinding speech, as of some monstrous machine running without oil, burst from the big 3D tv at the end of the room. It was a noise that set one's teeth on edge and bristled the hair at the back of one's neck. The Hate had started.

>As usual, the face of Donald J. Trump, the Enemy of the People, had flashed on to the screen. There were hisses here and there among the audience. The little sandy-haired woman gave a squeak of mingled fear and disgust. Trump was the renegade and backslider who once, long ago (how long ago, nobody quite remembered), had been one of the leading figures of the Party, almost on a level with Big Sister herself, and then had engaged in counter-revolutionary activities, had been condemned to death, and had mysteriously escaped and disappeared. The programmes of the Two Minutes Hate varied from day to day, but there was none in which Trump was not the principal figure

>>131383331
>Mass immigration is far right economic policy.
What spectrum are u on pal?

>>131383276
Yeah because we should totally be ruled by a few concentrations of people. It's called Tyranny. Go back to High School.

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>>131383331
>If he successfully stopped the flow of illegals and reduced immigration
Yeah but he won't just like he won't jail clinton because his friend epstein would release some fotos from their coke-fuled underage sex parties.

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>>131382050
I'm 34. Keep in mind when you get older it's impossible to relate to people and have any semblance of friendship. Add in me being a fucking racist and my pool of people is quite limited.

I do thank my gf for finding this redbear at a yard sale for a dollar. I wasn't expecting as much friendship in return!!!

>>131383431
You said "anyone's freedom", not voter freedom. But if you're interesyed specifically in voter freedom, Trump has suggested an increase in the power of federal libel laws as one of his policies, which is a restriction of the free press whether you think it's a good idea or not.

>>131383276
>the US electoral college is one of the most deeply flawed voting systems in the free world.
It is essentially the same system as the UK. The only thing flawed about is the ability of the electoral college to vote contrary to the public vote

>>131383518
>Left wing
Workers rights

>Right wing
Profit before people

>Mass immigration
Increase the supply of labour which also reduce's it's value and negotiation power.

Is this really so hard to understand? The open borders crowd are made up of right wingers and total morons.

>>131383518
Depends what is meant by far right. Many see it as a merely economic distinction and far right economics do tend towards open immigration policies for reasons of expanding the Labour market and so on.

It's why libertarians are moronic in thinking excessive economic freedom won't result in socio-cultural decay.

>>131375584
>Rewriting 1984 to "correct" it so that it meets their narrative.
Irony Lost

>>131383276
>tried to limit freedom of movement for muslims
Yeah, to prevent them from getting in. Which means America is so nice under Trump, they the muslims are flocking to it.

If they were trying to get away and he stopped them, then we would have a problem.

>US electoral college is one of the most deeply flawed voting systems in the free world
But somehow it only started being a problem when it caused Hillary to lose.

>>131383593
Trump would have to be eating aborted babies that he paid for in order to be on the level the Clintons are on. He would have to brandish the receipt in his pictures as well.

>>131383681
Short of waging war, and American president can only oppress his own people. Suggesting that he is taking away the freedom of foreigners simply by not allowing them into the US tells me you are an idiot.

You desperately need him to by a tyrant but he isn't. As for holding the American press to a higher standard, I am all for it.

Libel is holding people accountable for fake news.

>>131383814
So what you're saying is that Donald Trump and the European nationalist parties are actually far-left?

>>131383814
>>Left wing
>non-workers rights
ftfy

>>131383146
At least try.

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>>131383996
Trump probably is eating said fetuses with Hildawg herself after they raped them along with Obongo and his retard cousin Bush. You exhibit the kind of unjustifiable faith in authority that denotes a pure cuckold. Kindly do the world a favor and consider suicide, or at least a sterilization.

>>131380356
>gerald
REEEEEEEEEE

>>131384173
No u nigger

>>131372996

She's a weird looking broad.

>>131384133
In some cases I will admit they are too soft on the unemployed.
>>131384111
Economically, they are left of the "centrist" political parties in Europe and the US. Socially, they appeal to conservatives

>>131383276
8 million spics voted you piece of shit

Obama fucking went on tv and encouraged it

>>131378579
Undoubtedly 1984 was a book against the dangers of a socialist police state. The party is called INGSOC, English socialist, not INGFAS.

Orwell also explicitly stated that animal farm was a book "contra Stalin".

>>131383565
>>131383565
I actually took time out of my life to run a quick analysis of the data and debunk that argument, because it's retarded and so are you.

It turns out that if you apply the same electoral power proportionately to their state's electoral power across red voters from blue states and blue voters from red states, Hillary wins by a significant margin. Now that's obviously not the system we operate under, so Trump wins fair and square, but it does suggest a failure of the current system to consider the votes of nonmajority voters in both blue and red states.

Your argument is also pretty fucking stupid because it pretends that tyranny of the minority is impossible, which can be disproven by casually glancing at any history book on earth.

>>131379017
You've had 85 fucking years to read BNW, the time for spoilers has passed.

>>131384111
Oh and far left is communism which I didn't say they are. They are just left of the right wing economic extremists that are in power in Europe and the establishment of the US.

Why do you think they all hate trump so much? He threatens to slow them down.

>>131383276
>thinks the electoral college is bad, when it is a testament to the genius of the founders
>thinks muslims aren't enough of a threat for minor restrictions
>thinks muslims can even be american
How did you get here?

>>131383924
>Visa holders don't exist
>Bush v Gore doesn't exist

>>131383276
>He's at least tried to limit freedom of movement for muslims
Not Americans, being overrun by Brown people isn't freedom either, paddy.

>>131379751
All that reddit spacing is gross.

>>131383633
nope, dumb, wrong, you just advanced through linear existence in a poor fashion, stop being a racist looking for teddy bears

>>131378659
What's the difference?

>>131375480
It's almost like they think there's there's more than two genders.

>>131372996
>Olivia Wilde

now thats a legit porn name

>>131384378
The irony here is not what and why he written, but what he actually wrote.

>>131384624
>Stop being racist
I was a good liberal until I interacted with Muslims and found out they despise non Muslims. I tried to be nice to blacks and discovered they look for racism everywhere and arnt worth the effort.

The rest I'm okay with.

>>131383276
>He's at least tried to limit freedom of movement for muslims
No. He is not. No one has the right to enter a country, such a law does not exist.
There is no global law which enables you to go everywhere you want and if such a thing existed ALL countries would be violating that law in some way.

>and the US electoral college is one of the most deeply flawed voting systems in the free world.
A system personally introduced by Donald Trump? Is the system which voted him in his fault?
Also "democracy" doesn't specify a system, just that the citizens have control over who is elected, which undoubtedly is the case.

>>131384728
?

>>131384686
Gender has been rendered meaningless. Use the proper word instead. There are two sexes. There is no such thing as gender.

>>131372996
They don't actually engage in any of the things they say they like for the most part, drugs and homosex aside, so everything they say is basically just meme tier shit they heard and are parroting for social acceptance and even to appear morally superior.

Take comics or games. Most libs don't read fucking comics but they know of them from pop culture and watered down movies. They campaign to have them changed based on that alone and have no intentions of actually supporting the medium or work regardless of changes made. Now just overlay that with almost anything and there you go. Even the environment which they pretend to be passionate about only about 5% or so actually believe this the rest are just imitating for social acceptance and are just as bad about pollution and supporting polluters etc for consumerism.

>>131384038
He's not a tyrant. Checks and balances exist.

There are residents of the US who are not citizens, and who are also here legally.

Are you going to address the point about the media, or are you going to strawman me some more?

>>131384332
Show me 10 illegal Mexican voters.

>>131384467
Born in the USA, baby.

>>131384519
As a descendant of Scottish immigrants, I resent being compared to the Irish.

>>131384829
Who the fuck brought up "global law"? Did I say that Trump introduced the EC?

Learn English.

>>131380529
No he didn't you lying piece of shit cunt.

>>131385077
The comics thing is just marvel covering it's ass for having almost exclusively white leads in their films. They only want money and they don't want criticism for casting whites in a country that is half non white.

That's why the diversity is so over the top in the comics. The ridiculousness of the comics is what makes the headlines. You didn't even notice how white the films are did you?

>>131372996
Because leftists are smart enough to absorb the underlying concepts and apply them to current events

>>131385220
>Who the fuck brought up "global law"?
You. By claiming that anyone has the right to enter a country. Such a thing can only be a law which applies globally.

>Did I say that Trump introduced the EC?
No. But I said more then that, retard. I brought it up because you were complaining that Trump was not elected democratically, which is a) false and b) even if he were he was elected within the system.

>>131385220
>>131385220
I specifically addressed your point about the media but I will repeat it for you. Libel is to stop fake news. Something the US has a serious problem with. Also people who are resident in the US but not citizens are not having their freedom taken away if they are asked to leave. They are being allowed to be there. Only citizens have the freedom of a country.

News stories of Mexicans voting illegally even made it to my ears.

>>131385220
>Scotish
>Resents being compared to Irish

An Irish tribe called the Scoti invaded and named your country. Lel. The blood of all your ancient leaders is Irish.

>>131385360
I made a number of points already that might clear up any confusion you might have about my feelings on the EC and on the "muslim ban".

>>131385657
There was never a Muslim ban. That was what a biased media called it in an attempt to portray it as discrimination. There was only a ban on 4 countries. There are many more than 4 Muslim countries.

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>2017
>reading the poor man's yurope1
ISHYGDDT

>>131383146
I pointed out that you're using retarded buzzwords which is how I know you're a leftist, so you result to using the typical leftist strawman of ''wow, u think he has the best interests of the average citizen in mind?''. Next you'll be saying evil Nazis vote against their economic interests.

There is no such thing as a ''corporate-fascist totalitarian movement''. That does not mean anything. It's just random words that liberals dislike put together randomly.

>>131383365
A leader without integrity can't really be considered "good". Leaders are meant to be trusted, and integrity helps build trust.

>>131385360
>>131385748
There are residents of the US, who are muslims, who are not citizens, and who are also here legally under US law. Trump specifically used the words "muslim ban", which was one of the reasons the courts have opposed it.

>>131385360

The electoral college is, as I said earlier, a DEEPLY flawed system that actively rejects the will of the voters and lacks any sense of the proportionality it had when it was first created.

>>131385507
Thanks for clearing that up. Expansion of libel laws, whether well-intentioned or no, is still a restriction of freedom of the press. It also has the potential to be used by whatever party takes power to stomp out dissent, particularly among small news outlets.

>>131385583
The Scottish never nail-bombed anyone.

Orwell is interesting in the sense that both sides of the political spectrum claim him as their own.

The right says his legacy was railing against totalitarian governments. Which is true in a sense, but he wasn't a free-market capitalist either. Read 'Road To Wigan Pier' and you'll see that the second half of it is him describing the benefits of socialism. He criticises the 'bastardization of socialism' by modern-day socialists (at the time).

The left says that he is against fascism and totalitarianism, which he is, but not in the way they think. They lump 'lol drumpf nazi hitler republicans' in with 'totalitarianism' and then thinks that justifies shutting people's free speech down and rioting. The irony is that they fail to see that they employ some of the same techniques that are used by Big Brother, all while being against it.

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>>131386265

>The electoral college is, as I said earlier, a DEEPLY flawed system that actively rejects the will of the voters and lacks any sense of the proportionality it had when it was first created.

>Expansion of libel laws, whether well-intentioned or no, is still a restriction of freedom of the press. It also has the potential to be used by whatever party takes power to stomp out dissent

To bad cognitive dissonance isn't physically painful.

>>131386621
>Not liking voting systems that disproportionately favor certain voters
>Not thinking that kind of voting system can be adequately called democracy or even representative goverment
>Considering government incursion into freedom of the press a restriction on free speech

Care to explain the cognitive dissonance?

>>131378579
>>131378738
It's quite literally about the Soviet Union.

>>131372996
Did they manage to put some kind of pro-gay message into the play? Because I can see some opportunities for them to have a gay character who's tortured until he's straight, probably with electricity.
It would fit perfectly in with the narrative that New York City Broadway audiences would think is important.

>>131386265
>Invades another country
>Upset that they fight back

Wow no wonder Britons were so easily conquered by so many.

>>131386411
Orwell's shtick is that he's pretty much just anti-authoritarian. Since both the left and the right can see authoritarian aspects in the opposition they can both identify with it. Thought policing. government surveillance and history revisionism are neutral political tools.

>>131386265
What I'm really taking away from your posts is that you are heavily indoctrinated. I am no supporter of trump but I am also not brainwashed.

4 lights assholes

>>131383509
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rcdrvpYHRXE

>>131384379
You're operating under the assumption that there's millions of dem voters in red states with no facts backing your assertation. Fact is, if they were there in the numbers you claim then the democrats should have had no problem clearing all of those states that Trump took

>>131387355
>Still fighting a war you lost 300 years ago

>>131387892
>lives in the US
>Ancestry is the UK
>Complains about violence

You are a supreme hypocrite.

>>131386265
The electoral college exists to ensure that all states have equal say in the election process. We are not one single nation, we're an amalgamation of states and having more people doesn't mean a state should have the final say. The fact that half the country is against you means you have no right to claim you have the "will" of the people.

>>131380367
Trump wrote that doctors certificate you morons. That's why it's so funny. Get a fookin' clue.

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>>131372996

Orwell was a fucking genius.

One of his books The Road To Wigan Pier is about how there is a big chunk of the left that actually don't care about poor/working people, they just hate people richer than them. Sums up the Democratic Party's rejection of economic populism in favor of identity politics financed by banksters.

>>131382325
>Europe is built on monarchy and human civilization on the hierarchy of power
>It's all cuckoldry, let's have democracy and flood our countries with immigrants to vote in a welfare state

>>131378307

Maybe their reactions to it are the revelations of doublethink and thoughtcrime BTFO their cognitive dissonances that they have built their world on, and they go into a mental vertigo.

>>131386265
>The electoral college is, as I said earlier, a DEEPLY flawed system that actively rejects the will of the voters and lacks any sense of the proportionality it had when it was first created.
It's basic logic. Cities have more population density than rural areas. It takes more resources and time to campaign throughout rural areas. A winner take call EC approach for states incentives appealing to rural residents for politicians who want to edge out a win. If all was equal, no one would campaign in rural areas as it would cost too many resources that could be utilized in high density urban areas. It's not flawed at all, you're in all likelihood a salty urbanite who forgets the founders did not want a pure democracy in the first place.
>There are residents of the US, who are muslims, who are not citizens, and who are also here legally under US law. Trump specifically used the words "muslim ban", which was one of the reasons the courts have opposed it.
What specious logic, Trump called for a Muslim ban during his campaigning, yet a ban based on nationality is now a "muslim ban"? Tell me, why don't judges declare Trump's war on ISIS unconstitutional?

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>>131372996
The part where everyone gets 1984 wrong is that it describes an utopia instead of dystopia. There are so many degenerate people that only super people should function.

How can people be so blind that 1984 is what the world would be
>>Inb4 oh noes everything bad.
If you make parts less strict of the orwellian nightmare it's actually sweet. We should get rid of the muslims n yews though.

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>>131380700
>You are a special kind of stupid.
>Posts a picture that leaves out the important bits
Dude you are a massive faggot.

>>131383633

That doll baby is fucking creepy. Impregnate your fucking girlfriend already and make white babies, you weirdos.

>>131387517
Not sure where you're getting that from.

>>131387786
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php

>>131388160
Not a single nation
>ohboyherewego

Ok, so the United States is a country, "one nation, under god", as it were, that has a central government. A central government should be answerable to its constituents, which in this case are not states, but voters. Therefore, when certain constituents are favored in the electoral process, in this case voters in mainly blue states, the electoral system can be considered to be biased against these constituents. States are not people. They have people in them. Additionally, the idea that a state can be automatically treated as a homogenous voting bloc is laughable and only indicative of the restrictions of the time when the US was founded, even then being ameliorated by low population. It used to be that to become a state, a region only needed 60,000 people in it. Compare that with the state with the lowest population, Wyoming, which as of 2010 had 500,000 more people than that.

>>131387995
>but we won that war, and stalemated in the war of 1812

>>131372996

>1984
> Olivia Wilde

Fuck me I feel like I've missed out. Where can one finds this show?

>>131378979
>>131378781

Its not either/or ya nimrods, both apply.

>>131378943

He is one of the greatest, poignant critics of socialism, from the inside.

>>131382325

>All the Trumpers pointing to 1984 and saying it's an indictment of leftist government. The irony is palpable
It's not though. He lays out an example in the book about children going to state-controlled schools and how they're rewarded for reporting their parents for wrongthink.

Last I checked, state-controlled schools is a pretty lefty thing.

The closest place to 1984 is the UK and they let people have 4 wives so its not even close to reality.

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>>131379506
>our bussines
Like Cuba!!!!1!1!!1?

>>131388630
This is why communism was so terrible, it was a dictatorship to create something unnatural, and uphold an ideology that did nothing but destroy.
That is why Stalin just became another Czar in the end.

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>>131384883
Get fucked, just because lefties have bastardized the word doesn't mean we can't use it by its original meaning.

>>131389280
You don't need creepy long arms to grab something that's right on your doorstep.

>>131372996
The man who wrote it was democratic socialist. We are democratic socialists.
1984 was a critique of totalitarianism, which is Trump's domain.

>>131378579
>>131378943
>>131380855
No arguments against?
Your left wing is showing.

Everyone chill the fuck out. There is a well defined organization that is making sure each one of us has similar opportunity. Take the pill or die with paranoia

>>131389469
Is a metaphoric drawing

>>131389493
Keep saying that, and keep losing elections.
Trump has no ideology. He is a pragmatist. There is nothing totalitarian about him, he only has opinions, no ideology.
It's the current regressive left that is dying in its own totalitarian ideological constraints. Being in power does not mean that Trump is more totalitarian than the Bernites going out shooting Republicans.
Though ironically, your party's obstructionism is what would legitimize actual authoritarianism on Trump's part. Think about that when you prevent an administration from even ruling. It's almost like you're pushing Trump to crush you, only so you can say "told you so" when he does, handing you another precious moral victory.

>>131388857
But states aren't just cities or just rural areas. And there are enough people in cities to cancel out the votes of everyone living in rural areas a dozen times over. By that logic, only appealing to people living in cities should still take the vote. It obviously doesn't, because reality is slightly more nuanced than political pundits would have you believe.

>Trump's war on ISIS
Oh, so it's just a thing that Trump's doing? No other presidents have fought ISIS?

But as for the 'muslim ban', I find it bizarre that you see an attempt by Trump to do what he said he was going to do in as legal a fashion as possible as "specious logic". The kind of partisan semantics that dodge this issue are precisely the kind of thing that leads Dems to think of think of Trump and Trump supporters as being reminiscent of 1984, where a personality cult exists around an individual who can tell no lies and people believe things that exist as a superposition of fact and fiction at the same time.

>>131389661
And the metaphore sucks.
It's like my itch drawing me with 10 foot arms as I scratch my own back to get rid of it.

>>131389493
You're not making arguments based on the source material. You're making arguments based on a false presumption about the author. That's poor mans critical thinking.
Orwell was a contradiction if you try to place his personal beliefs within the context of his work. He wrote about the dangers of Big Brothers and a totalitarian state while at the same time ratted out dozens and dozens of Communist sympathizers to the British authorities.
>1984 was a critique of totalitarianism, which is Trump's domain.
Again, you need examples. Bringing down the Government is the opposite of totalitarianism.
In contemporary American politics there is only one group advocating for the expansion of Government, which would give it the power to actually be totalitarian, and that's the left.

>>131389168
State controlled schools being a lefty thing is relatively new, anon. It used to be that Republicans supported them, too, and the idea of cutting school funding was unmarketable as a policy.

>>131389076
Now you're just bringing up fantasy. The point is that the people of those states vote and whoever wins out that state wins the electoral votes. And yes, states are semi autonomous, federal oversight boils down to what a state isn't allowed to do and not what it has to do. We are not subservient to a single government and we do not bow down to the central authority. We work in conjunction with it, not for it. All you've done is say that it's wrong because you feel your state should have the stronger voice because it has more residents while ignoring there swaths of country and people in other areas who don't agree with you

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1984 was a mistake. It's anti-communist and anti-totalitarian message is valuable but has been abused by every politician the world over.
When you see both McCain and Bernie use the same argument you know it has no meaning.

>>131372996
If they could self reflect they wouldn't be so hysterical about trump.

>>131389705
Exactly. Their are just following the False Marie.

>>131378943
>awareness of social injustice

Look at this blatant history revisionism.
George Orwell was straight up racist as fuck. He wrote a short story about an elephant hunt in Burma or some other shit and did nothing but talk shit about the savage locals and how they always call in the superior Brits to do everything for them

>>131389772
>But states aren't just cities or just rural areas. And there are enough people in cities to cancel out the votes of everyone living in rural areas a dozen times over. By that logic, only appealing to people living in cities should still take the vote. It obviously doesn't, because reality is slightly more nuanced than political pundits would have you believe.
So then why did Trump appeal to the rural areas of PA and end up winning? Clearly he lost Pittsburgh massively.
>The kind of partisan semantics that dodge this issue are precisely the kind of thing that leads Dems to think of think of Trump and Trump supporters as being reminiscent of 1984, where a personality cult exists around an individual who can tell no lies and people believe things that exist as a superposition of fact and fiction at the same time.
I'm in tears. The true doublethink is being able to refer to 1984 while you engage in it. Your entire statement was pure projection.

Do you even know why the activist judges claim Trump's travel ban was unconstitutional? It's because they claim Trump has an animus towards Muslims. So my question is why don't the judges declare Trump's operations in the middle east unconstitutional? If he has an animus in regards to the travel ban, he certainly has one when he conducts war, so why do the judges not intervene? The fact that you can't think critically and simply reject logic and reasoning shows your dogmatism.

>>131389953
>Get told there aren't millions of voters in red states who voted blue
>Present a vote count that shows that there are
But yeah, I have no idea what I'm talking about.

And as fantastical as it might seem to you, states being only SEMI-autonomous matters. States lack the political power to negotiate trade deals, raise a significant militaryforce, or generally handle anything that concerns US relations with the rest of the world. These things are almost definitionally what makes a country. Given that electors are elected by individual citizens and not state representatives, we can arrive at the conclusion that the constituents are the individual voters. And to suggest that the constituents should have unequal say is by definition an unrepresentative bias. Moreover, the historical context of the electoral college suggests that this bias was intended to be so much smaller that it effectively would not exist were the system developed today.

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>>131391069
>Moreover, the historical context of the electoral college suggests that this bias was intended to be so much smaller that it effectively would not exist were the system developed today.

>>131382325
>>Autocracy in all forms is a cucked ideology. You're handing your power over to a daddy dom. Or a "God Emporer." And they will turn on you.
>having to come up with sordid sexual metaphors to translate politics
spot the leftist

>>131389076
I'm talking about your
>Nail bombs
Comment.

Your criticism of political violence when you live in the US and come from the UK displays either an extreme level of hypocrisy or a completely lack of self awareness. You are shit posting as hard as you can or just completely stupid.

>>131391011
>Why did Trump win then?
Apart from what I mentioned before about things being more complicated than the city/country dichotomy that pundits love to throw out, Trump went to PA and actually got out the vote. HRC didn't. There are, of course, additional factors, but that's a big one.

>>131391011
>I'm in tears
Are you litterally shaking right now?

Seriously though, it's bizarre how conservatives can claim that Trump shouldn't be taken at his word while he engages in attempting to perform a task he said he was going to perform, that was part of the platform he was elected on. The whole, 'Trump should be taken seriously but not literally' mantra that I've actually heard his supporters use strikes me an actual example of doublethink.

And the 'activist judges' who struck down the travel ban pointed to Trump's own words that he would instate a muslim ban as evidence that a ban on travel from muslim-majority countries was in part or in totality meant as a ban on muslims. What about that strikes you as being doublethink or projection?

As for the 'war on terror', these are specific MILITARY actions taken against known threats to US citizens who claim alliance to groups whose specific aim includes the murder of US citizens. To suggest that all muslims from these countries should be viewed as immediate threats to US citizens would effectively suggest the appropriate policy would be to bomb these countries indiscriminately.

>>131389909

However true that may be, it is undeniable that one wing has wanted more influence over it than the other.

>>131384506
So what did you say when the electoral college put in Bill Clinton? Twice.

Bill never got over 50% of the popular vote.

But its only a problem to you when democrats lose.

Fuck you and your hypocrisy.

>>131380681
That's what British people are like. They are enamoured with the state.

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>>131392190
He should have still been allowed to go through with the muslim ban, Schlomo.

>https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3446145/WA-Order.pdf
This is the TRO issued by the judge. Lmao.

>>131372996
My lefty friend unironically told me that he thinks "whats going on right now is more like Brave New World than 1984"

>>131392190
>evidence that a ban on travel from muslim-majority countries was in part or in totality meant as a ban on muslims

So where was on the ban on Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan? More or less, Trump could implement a travel ban for any Muslim-majority country for a legitimate reason, yet activist judges would still call it unconstitutional. You calling it a "muslim ban" is simply a denial of reality. The doublethink is in the fact that these were all terrorist hotbeds identified by the Obama administration. Had Obama done the same ban, you would not claim it was unconstitutional.

>As for the 'war on terror', these are specific MILITARY actions taken against known threats to US citizens who claim alliance to groups whose specific aim includes the murder of US citizens. To suggest that all muslims from these countries should be viewed as immediate threats to US citizens would effectively suggest the appropriate policy would be to bomb these countries indiscriminately.

So even if there is a 99% chance an immigrant from X country could have their allegiance with terrorists, we should still keep our borders open to them? Furthermore, you keep harking as if Muslims were the only people impacted by the travel ban. It was a ban based on nationality, not just Muslims were impacted.

>Seriously though, it's bizarre how conservatives can claim that Trump shouldn't be taken at his word while he engages in attempting to perform a task he said he was going to perform, that was part of the platform he was elected on. The whole, 'Trump should be taken seriously but not literally' mantra that I've actually heard his supporters use strikes me an actual example of doublethink.
It's bizarre how liberals blatantly deny reality when calling it a Muslim ban when it affected only 13% of the Muslim population and targeted terrorist hotbed nations all designated by the Obama administration.

>>131382325
>He originally wrote it to condemn those of his fellow naive socialists who saw promise in the soviet union and communism after just defeating fascism in the second world war.

No, you dumbass. He wrote it as a condemnation of the Soviets and their Stalinist nonsense after he fought in the Spanish Civil War for "politically incorrect" socialists, as he himself still believed in socialism and the validity of hte Soviet Union. It only really dawned on him when he realized the people shooting at them were Soviets, and not fascists. He also wrote this teary-eyed bullshit report about how life in a socialist state in Spain was great. And, of course, it's wholly fact-free and filled to the brim with emotional nonsense like "the defiance in shopkeepers' eyes".

More and more Jews have been realizing that the anti-white causes they've been furthering see them as white, too. Orwell was like that. A true believer who got burned by his own cause.

>>131391409
I love that example, because it shows what happens specifically when no candidate reaches the electoral vote count for a victory, while simultaneously being an example of how janked-up the electoral college was from the outset. See, Adams wasn't elected by the EC, he was voted in by the House of Representatives.

In addition, notice the number of voters per electoral vote. That's precisely what I'm talking about when I say there would be a smaller bias effect if the system were designed today as opposed the actual time it was created.

>>131391777
I mean I was shitposting a little. But, your comment was suggesting that I was a hypocrite as a descendant of immigrants from Scotland while myself living in the US for feeling that there was unjustified violence coming specifically from the Irish. I assumed you meant something about the Revolutionary War or the War of 1812. My comparison was to similar (failed) revolutions br Ireland that were kept up by Irish insurgency groups long past the point that they could have been thought to make sense, and specifically using nail bombs, which are weapons designed to maim, in civilian-trafficked areas. There's no hypocrisy. Up until recently Ireland was full of terrorists.

>>131393055

You mean the Ross Perot thing? Clinton still had the majority popular vote in both cases, so I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

>>131392190
>Seriously though, it's bizarre how conservatives can claim that Trump shouldn't be taken at his word while he engages in attempting to perform a task he said he was going to perform, that was part of the platform he was elected on. The whole, 'Trump should be taken seriously but not literally' mantra that I've actually heard his supporters use strikes me an actual example of doublethink.
You don't even understand what doublethink is. Doublethink is simultaneously thinking two contradictory things. The idea that both Obama and Trump could do the same thing for the same reasons, yet only Trump doing it would be unconstitutional is doublethink. Your very logic states than a travel ban on any muslim-majority nation for any reason would be unconstitutional because of what Trump said before he became president.

>>131393055
Oh wait, you think I'm arguing that the candidate who gets the most popular votes shouldn't be president. No, that's not what I'm saying. In fact, there have been dozens of elections that make perfect sense where one candidate didn't get more than 50% of the vote.

>>131379506
>I'd love to go back to 1950 and have the USA mind its own business.
kek. ww2 didn't end until 1989, fuckwit.

>>131393839
>You mean the Ross Perot thing? Clinton still had the majority popular vote in both cases, so I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
Plurality, not majority

>>131379153
I would say that in 1984 most people didn't know the full power of the government.
We get the perspective of a member of the outer party, a rather woke one,but the mass of plebs described sometimes surely had little to no idea about where the power lied and how it was used.

>>131381801
>hiding your canadian flag
0 bucks says that they read it in highschool like everyone else

>>131378943
Yuck
That has me fainting and vomiting

How long until they change the words in the books like in the book?

>>131379506

well in that timeline of yours Israel would need to not exist. Virtually every single conflict we've had in the middle east was entirely due to Israel.

>>131385955
Now we know youre a newfag redditard because you cant read a fucking id and follow a post chain without email updates and edgy names to keep you on track.

>>131392190
>the appropriate policy would be to bomb these countries indiscriminately.
i'm not opposes
let's start with israel and follow up with saudi before mopping up turkey and then establishing non-muslim order in somalia via copious freedom-bringing

>>131393422
Unfortunately for you, the law disagrees.

>>131393630
Jesus fuckin Christ are we still on this?
>What if Obama had instituted a travel ban?
He didn't tho
>Well why wasn't [muslim majority country] on list?
I don't know, especially when a number of countries not on the list are far greater hotbeds of islamic extremism than those on the list. When you suggest that means it's not a muslim ban, the same argument could therefore be used to suggest it's not a terror ban either.
>Even if there's a 99% chance an immigrant from x country could be a terrorist we should let him in?
We live in the most extraordinary country, where things like work visas and passports exist and can be denied if there is even the slightest hint that a person might be connected to terrorists. We already do that regardless of whether or not Trump gets to institute his 'muslim ban'. If we didn't, US neighborhoods would wind up looking like Marawi. Shockingly, everyone running the fucking country haven't been that fantastically incompetent.
>But Obama said they were bad countries :'(
And yet, shockingly, despite the total lack of a ban on entry by foreign citizens of those countries, no terrorist attacks from citizens of those countries were carried out on US soil. Vigilance doesn't mean just doing whatever sounds easiest. Sometimes it means not being retarded.

>>131394014
Right. And that argument might even make sense if Obama had instituted a travel ban on those countries. But he didn't. So it doesn't.

Instead you say that any ban on entry from any muslim country would now be impossible because Trump said "muslim ban". Actually, no. If there were evidence of an imminent threat (and I remind you, an imminent threat is one you know will definitely take place, not one you imagine will probably maybe take place possibly), it would be not only within his power but his responsibility to take whatever measures he deemed appropriate to prevent the threat. Again, there isn't one.

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Antifa really are the Fascists against American Freedom!

>>131395503
Eyyyyyy
No

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EU Brussels are Unelected Rulers.

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>>131372996

Trump embodies one of the themes of 1984: the total corruption of language and truth in favor of perpetual lies, where telling the truth is a crime.

Trump learned from his master, Putin.

>>131379077
>Alternative facts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_facts_(law)

>>131372996
Cghndfhj

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>>131372996

>faggot communists are fainting and vomiting

It's that they are psychotic and vomiting aneurysms due to fatal levels of cognitive dissonance.

>>131393839
You are extremity hypocritical which makes your political opinions worth a lot less.

>>131380865

>autocratic policies

Name even one.

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>>131386265

Well, well, well... aren't you a (((special))), psychotic, hellbound faggot liar.

>>131379014
>hate speech
>just another form of thoughtcrime.
you are correct sir