When will america admit defeat in Afghanistan?

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Is it really defeat when you both arm and fund the opposition?

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About 4 years ago.

>>131368146
We just move the goal posts. Its literally impossible to defeat us

>>131368485
Vietcong did a pretty god job defeating you.

>>131368146
Don't hold your breath, they still haven't admitted defeat in Vietnam.

>>131368560
>>131369062
rules of engagement in Vietnam didn't even allow the US airforce to bomb supply lines

>>131369165
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88jrZjsNHPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ryo02Qw1-c

>>131369165
Oh your right, it was a US victory; my bad.

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>>131368249
I will never not have love and patriotism for this country, but man... Sometimes it gets really hard.

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>>131369266
>Some port areas of North Vietnam were also vital to the logistical effort, as were ships by socialist nations that fed the continual stream of war material. Attacks on these were also forbidden by American policymakers. Until late in the War, American pilots, hindered by their government's rules of engagement, could only watch helplessly as munitions, heavy weapons and advanced components like SAM missile batteries were unloaded at such harbors as Haiphong.[23] By 1966, some 130 SAM batteries were in North Vietnam by US estimates, manned primarily by Russian crews.[24]

>Fear of massive Chinese intervention in Vietnam continually caused a number of restrictions on US options. These constraints implicitly granted North Vietnam's continued existence, and sought to avoid antagonizing Peking by attacking targets too close to the Chinese border with North Vietnam, or within China itself. The Chinese were content to provide supportive diplomatic rhetoric, manpower and material, but signaled they would not enter the fray unless the Americans invaded North Vietnam.[41] The Nixon regime removed some of the operational constraints on American power late in the American war, but was already committed to removing US forces from the theater, and the punishment inflicted by expanded bombing, while heavy, did not fundamentally threaten Hanoi's existence. Nor did it stop China from continuing to massively supply its North Vietnamese client. The North Vietnamese were quick to take advantage of the leverage afforded under both the Johnson and Nixon regimes. When a 25-mile (40 km) buffer zone policy was in effect near the Chinese border for example, US recon planes could see hundreds of loaded trucks massed in the buffer zone during the day, waiting to roll later at night.

>>131369266
>burning forest

terrible for the environment, but not really another Dresden

>>131369273
I didn't say it was a victory, ISIS fag

>>131369525
>burning forest
it's where they lived

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>>131369632
lol

ever heard of Hanoi? There were major populations centers in Vietnam and they were never bombed due to rules of engagement. Neither were major supply lines.

> Restrictive rules of engagement were put in place for Rolling Thunder chiefly due to the fear of escalation and direct involvement of the
Soviet Union or China in the war. The goals of the air campaign were limited and
President Johnson hoped to achieve results through tightly controlled, applied pressure on
the N. Vietnamese government. The controls however, violated accepted air doctrine and
tied the hands of the military commanders that were tasked to meet the arduous objectives
of the campaign. Rolling Thunder barely achieved any of the desired results -- restrictive
rules of engagement undoubtedly played a major part in the failure of U.S air power in this
singular black mark on the record of American military aviation.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1995/DM.htm


Nothing even remotely like Dresden happened in Vietnam

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>>131369467
I find it easy to love my country, but hate the jews and neocons that ruin it

But that's just me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg_lQNv6onw

Personally I think that you can't be a patriotic American unless you hate the kikes.

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>>131368560
>keep commies out for a decade
>bomb commies to the peace table
>leave gookland commie free

how did we lose that war again?

>>131368146
When we brain the last living Afghan baby against a wall.

>>131368146
>defeat
we have secured the opium poppies.

we are doing exactly what we wanted to do in afganistan

You can't fail your objectives if you don't have any.

>>131370017
>I find it easy to love my country, but hate the jews and neocons that ruin it
Well when those Jews and neocons completely tun it, as I said it gets hard
>Personally I think that you can't be a patriotic American unless you hate the kikes.
I can agree with that... Thanks for that image by the way. Added to my Jewpills folder.

>>131370239
fucking this......

>>131368146
They got what they came for, thousands of tons of the worlds best opium.

>>131369525
>ISIS fag
No sir, i oppose the United States and KSA.

Also on your point on restrictions, so what? all wars have to be fought within certain constraints, nations go into wars knowing these constrains well before hand.

That feel when wish i could go back there with my bros.

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>>131370567
>all wars have to be fought within certain constraints

lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_war

It's not just a video game

Sometimes I wish I could go back in time to see if any of the people the Mongols were raping to death/eating complained about "war crimes"

>>131369165
What the fuck are you talking about ? America made Vietnam look like the god damn moon .
And when they ran out of things to blow up in Vietnam they bombed Cambodia and lied about it.

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>>131371112
they mostly bombed very lowly populated rural areas and nearly empty forests where the Vietcong was hiding.

Compare that to WW2 when they regularly fire bombed major urban industrial cities in Japan and even Tokyo. It's not even remotely similar.

>>131370024
By failing your objectives

>>131370945
I didn't mean as conduct of war alone; there will always be geostrategic and material constraints (e.g. snow in Russia, supply lines etc)

Though even total wars have constraints on conduct (e.g. the Mongols forbade killing Children smaller than a cartwheel, urinating in water; aversion to use of biochemical weapons in WW2). Being a dick is generally quite unsustainable.

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>>131371437

America destabilized Cambodia so bad with their bombings that it's widely believed they are to blame for the rise of communism in the area

>>131372131
To think they would have learned from that experience.

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>>131372087
>the Mongols forbade killing Children smaller than a cartwheel,

Who believes this shit? Mongols had no rules against killing children/babies

You would think a Muslim would know that after the siege of Baghdad, but then Muslims aren't exactly great thinkers, mainly because the Mongols killed all the intellectuals.

>>131372131
the large red dots obviously aren't to scale

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>>131372131
already found a different map

>blame for the rise of communism in the area

You realize the US was bombing the Vietcong who were communists operating in Cambodia right?

But the fact is Cambodia was still so rural that the bombing campaigns had little effect on the overall efficacy of the Vietcong, which is why the North eventually won.

The Khmer rouge if anything lost ground in its war against the Republic due to the US bombing, but ultimately won anyway because the bombings were so feckless.

You can't win a war with forest fires.

>>131372586
> Hollywood/Vidya is my source of information

Not too sure what you are basing that off, it was a common tribal custom and codified in their late period laws even.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measuring_against_the_linchpin

Granted not all soldiers would follow this; just as US soldiers killed babies in My Lai.

>>131372959
The size of the dots featured on the map doesn't matter you dummy.

The country was fine as far as communism goes, then we dropped lots of bombs on them, after that communism was popular . I don't know how else to explain it to you.

>>131368249
Jimmy Carter was the biggest cuck, cunt and faggot. He also really hated Israel though and supported Palestinians. Odd.

>>131373433
>The country was fine as far as communism goes,

The communists had the capital of Cambodia, Phnom Penh, surrounded before the bombing US campaign started.

US bombing actually broke the siege for a short period of time, but the communists took the city afterwards anyway.

>>131373231
That was against other Mongol tribes not against non Mongols

In Baghdad they killed everyone regardless of age.

>>131374251
They used it against non-mongols too, not sure about Baghdad but fairly certain they used it in Bamiyan when they massacred the town.

Naturally there are always exceptions.

>>131374251
So you honestly believe the bombing of combodia didn't spark anti American sentiment and gave Khmer Rouge more support in the region