Cloning Meat

>>131348845
I'd want the meat with great marble, like a nice beef tenderloin.

Yeah, clone animals, hell, we created the pug so we can clone animals, just not people.

look at the english bulldog, was that in
God's desires?

I was unaware the bible addressed gods stance on cloning

>>131348845
Why would you even bother when you can just let the animals fuck?

>>131348845
Would eating cloned long pig be considered ethical?

>>131348845
eating clonned meat is like fucking traps.... is not meat and traps are no girls

>>131349373
leaf post best post

how do they make it and why would you do it

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I love surprises

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>>131349760
think you're hard for eating meat grown in a slaughter house?

>>131348845
How the fuck would you know when there's no common accepted religious authorithy or traditions for almost any matter in cuckstianity.
On a side note, meat grown in a Petri dish might no be considered kosher if the original cells were extracted from a living animal or slaughtered in a non kosher way.

>>131349373
Dumb leaf.
Jesus clones the fish in order to feed his people.

>>131350148
Surprise! It's a human thigh flank!

>>131350845
You don't know that. You weren't there.

>>131348845
>Is cloning meat justifiable from a Christian philosophical point of view

Aside from people who say cloning is "playing God", how exactly is cloning wrong in a biblical sense? God created us, and gave us the ability to perform the science necessary to clone shit. If it were really a big problem for Him, I imagine He'd send a profit or communicate his wishes since there's no reasonable way to find an answer to this in a book that predates the discovery of DNA by thousands of years.

What's the philosophical problem with cloning?

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>>131349760
It is meat although its more akin to minced meat since it doesn't come from a specific part of an animal.
Cloned meat means they can alter the composition of the tissue depending on which transcription factors they use to increase/decrease myosin/actin concentration among other properties thus making the meat have varying degrees of tenderness, taste, so on and so forth.

>>131348845
To use mankinds scientific prowess to create food in abundance for the many who may not otherwise have access to it sounds pretty righteous.

>>131348845

Why would you be against human cloning? God never says we can't do it, which means he gave us the ability to do it intentionally.

Options:

1: Human clones don't have souls
So there's no moral issue because you aren't actually playing God

2: Human clones do have souls
So there's no moral issue because you are sending more people to heaven to live with God

>>131351155
I spelled prophet wrong.

>>131351020
I think i would maybe try human if it were cooked properly

>>131351231
>God never says we can't do it, which means he gave us the ability to do it intentionally.
Reproduction outside of wedlock is unlawful.

All clones are bastards in God's eyes.

>>131349138

Tenderloin in overrated IMO. Only good rare, otherwise not enough fat in it to keep is juicy. Bone in rib eye steaks/delmonico is the best cut I think.

>>131351367
This. As long as I didn't know the guy.

Apparently we taste like pork; human meat is sometimes described as "long pig".

>>131348845
If Jesus is unhappy with cloning it's going to be across the board, not just certain higher order animals, and I guarantee that almost every good and devout Christian has eaten cloned fruits and vegetables at some stage.
Successful or superior cultivars of produce are often used to propagate grafts to create clones of that exact tree or plant, it's been done for years.

God gave man dominion over the beasts and the fish and the plants or whatever

>>131349597

Eating human is actually completely legal, the legal ramifications come from shit like assault, murder, desecration of a corpse, etc.

If someone gave you their foot you could roast it and eat it and nobody could do shit as long as it was fully consensuel and the donor was still alive.

>>131348845
>>>/christiansciencemonitor/forums/

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>>131351067
he wasnt, but I was.

Give me Unknown, I'm a gambling man.

>>131348845
yeah duh. no issue with cloning things in the bible

>>131348845
cloned meat tastes like absolutely shit btw. scientists wanted to clone to bolster food in starving countries, but the meat is almost inedible because it tastes so bad.

>>131348845
I don't believe the bible says that you can't eat cloned meat

>>131348845
God made man in His image and steward of His Creation. If we see a necessity for cloning, we have been given (from the very start) free reign to do as we believe necessary.

>>131348845
I really don't like to be a fedorafag, but don't the ethics of cloning kinda call into question whether or not God is real or not?

I mean, we tend to believe that God doesn't directly communicate with people anymore and hasn't since the Bible. I mean there are stories and historical accounts of individuals claiming to communicate with God like Joan of Arc, or random individuals that claim that God, Jesus, angels etc. appeared to them in dreams, but nothing we can actually be sure happened. In fact, it's to the point where if a person claims that God directly communicated with them, people tend to assume they're crazy or a hoaxer like Peter Popoff.

Given the above, that there lots of modern issues like cloning or the use of stem cells that the Scripture has no objective way of directing us on them, and that we very clearly need God to directly tell us what we should do, isn't His absence/silence kinda conspicuous?

>>131351933
Wow, that's odd. No laws against cannibalism between consenting adults? Does this actually go on like some sort of sub-culture or something?

If you smoke cloned cannabis, that is more degenerate than smoking that which had been grown from seed. Both are inherently degenerate, but the former is many times worse.

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>>131353032
This leaf is completely retarded cannibalism is very much illegal

meat is for pussies. real men eat plants. Hitler was a vegetarian, why arn't you?

>>131352115
J..John?

>>131348845
>Unknown
what did they mean by this?

>>131348845
when you really think about it it would seem like cloned meat would be less gross but for some reason to me it seems way more gross

why the fuck would you need to clone it if you take off cuts slather them in transglutiminase rm and age it in pvc pipe for a month boom heres yer fucking tenderloin and ignore the fact that the grain goes in 50 different directions

>>131351596
choice tenderloin is the best cut, prove me wrong leaf

>>131350845
Lol. Jesus was an alien with advanced cloning technology confirmed.

>>131349138
>I'd want the meat with great marble, like a nice beef tenderloin.

tenderloin doesn't have marbling you twit.

>>131348845
I'd take lab grown steak. Just sear it for a minute on each side and eat it

No risk of contamincation/parasites.

>>131351367
Don't eat the brain or any complex organs or you're asking for Creutzfeldt Jakob disease

>>131348845
I want to be cloned

>>131348845
id want the unknown with that real nice strip of fat on the side

>>131348845
Matthew 14:13-21
Jesus cloned fishes to feed people. How the fuck would He be against vat grown meat?

>>131358289
Or Kuru

>>131354455
A
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TREE

>>131348845
Cloning meat isn't the future.

The future is lab grown meat. Advances are already being made. Just take some animal stem cells and put them in a vat for it to grow and bam you have an unlimited source of meat that is clean for the environment and ends animal suffering.

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>>131348845
Unknown

>>131351231
Option 3:

The soul isn't real so who the fuck cares.


Magic man in the sky isn't real.

We are allowed to do whatever the fuck we want with animals, we just can't clone humans any more than we can euthanize them.

>>131349597
It's cheating. Your first time has to be the real thing. You need to hunt it down yourself.

>>131348845
>cloning meat

That's retarded. You don't "clone" meat. You grow it in a tissue culture vat. Completely different concepts.

>>131359361
Either way it's better than diseased animals

>>131359055
Ew, who let the atheist in

If we can clone non-human animals, can we clone humans to eat?

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>>131348845
If it doesn't look like this, i don't want it.
which you can get for 6$ a pound in american supermarket on sale.

Only cloning of Humans is forbidden (its unethical). Rest is permitted

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>>131351933

>>131360250
Hello rare flag, how's Russia treatin you?

>>131359669
>>131359669
>porterhouse for $6/lb
sure thing guy

>>131348845
Aren't twin brothers clones anyway? what's the big fuss?

>>131348845
cloning meat benefits nobody. it just makes the meat more expensive.

>>131349138
you are exemplifying the slippery slope fallacy very nicely

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>>131350845

>>131360603
clearly you don't live in a meat producing state.

>>131348845
i'd eat the cheapest one desu
only brainlets think theres anything wrong with cloned meat or GMOs

>>131358893
How much time until it is affordable to the public? you seem to know about the subject.

>>131348845
Cloning used to be a hot topic but no one seems to care anymore

>>131360603
>I live in my moms basement and never go food shopping.

>>131348845
Solution: stop believing in your sky fairy.
Eat all the steaks.

>>131351440
Bastards are just as worthy of eternal salvation as any other child. The sins of the parents have no bearing on the matter of the child's soul other than the stain of original sin that all humans are born with, and whatever sins they gain in their lifetime by their own choices.

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>>131360603
I live with my mommy, and she does all the shopping!

>>131365317
What's that, $12/kg? Fuck no. Porterhouse runs at least $20/kg, and that's cheap shit.
Usually $25/kg from a good butcher.

>>131366036
>>131365794
>I live with my mommy, and she does all the shopping!

>>131351173
But that's not what they're aiming at. We already have enough to feed more people than are walking on earth.
What they're aiming for is more profit by higher levels of standardization.

I don't want to eat freak meat, if worse comes to worse I'm going to hunt kangaroos and boil bark

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>>131365794
/pol/ ridiculing someone for making a female buy their food. Sad beta cucks. Men in the grocery store is just so sad to watch.

>>131349477
/thread

Cloning is unprofitable

>>131348845
Jesus cloned fish, so I would assume cloning is okay.

>>131366260
my wife buys the food. but she isn't stupid and ask me what i want her to buy.

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>>131365317
>>131365794
>>131366115
Uhhhhh why did you repeat yourself 3 times

>>131366298
no he manufactured them. there is a difference.

>>131366359
because he lives with his mommy, and she does all the shopping

>>131366359
because
>I live with my mommy, and she does all the shopping!

>>131366437
highfive

>>131366418
One can manufacture clones. Catgirl waifus irl, soon.

>>131348845
looks like you get more with the not cloned

>>131366482
you deserve a tendie and a good buy point

>>131366618
how about a beer and a nice $6/lb steak, with grilled corn.. 0.14c each and baked potatoes .99c for 5lbs?

>>131366488
no we cannot manufacture entire genomes.
we can copy existing simple single cell bacteria and viruses, if you like to classify the virus as a form of life (its not) but nothing very useful yet.

eventually though. eventually we will know enough about genes to build genomes from fuckin scratch. then humans get real power. fuck printing press. fuck industrial revolution. fuck the internet. the power to manufacture life will change more than they ever will.

cloned and gmo = jewish plot to decrease nutrients and force genetic mutation

gmos actively alter DNA makeup and will effect future generations

cloning will stagnate the genetic potential of the meat itself and will reduce natural farms that breed cows

eventually there will only be cloned meat and when it gets too genetically stretched and doesnt produce something that resembled meat or its nutrient dry we will all starve

cloning = double the amount of negative DNA without introducing anything to counteract it

now imagine if its GMO fed or even cross bred spliced

that DNA will alter our on DNA with consumption

our bodies also havent evolved to consume this unnatural meat and long term testing is impossible

>>131348845

Jesus did those tricks all the time. Transmutation, multiplication...

To me that means that we are allowed to use all natural elements however we can, as long as it is for doing good or necessary things

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You think Jesus fed the 5000 by breeding those fish? Clearly he cloned them, Good enough for Jesus; good enough for us.

>>131366872
you know what, cloning has existed in botany for thousands of years and it hasn't ruined anything but instead produced incredible things like modern crops.

you dont know what the fuck your on about.

"negative DNA" you just let your ass do the typing, don't you/
if you mean gene pools the presence of cloning doesn't affect wild genes and domesticated gene pools are already tightly controlled. ergo the evolution of domesticated animals.

genetic engineering is just a technical refinement to general breeding techniques which have been around just as long as domestication of plants or animals has.

genetic modification is not at all unnatural, gene splicing, however, can be in the case cross species splicing which can't be done with breeding.

gmo is basically a labor saver. instead of maintaining a gene pool and laboriously breeding selecting and crossbreeding traits into and out of the genepool over several generations you can make the gene modifications which express the trait your after in one shot if you know how the genes in question express as traits.

>>131353731
Yeah right, now you're gonna try and tell me fucking dogs is illegal too. Bullshit. If you need me, I'll be in my lab

t. leaf

>>131348845
>Christian philosophical point of view
Apart from how 'all dogs go to heaven'
>including mongrels and street packs
Animals don't have souls.
However I imagine a clone would still experience pain.

>>131367198
>Good enough for Jesus; good enough for us.
This

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>>131348845
>cloned meat
That is just asking for some horrifying biological shit to go down. Who the fuck is behind trying to push cloned meat? Its the jews isn't it.

>>131367446
but can you experience with out a soul?

there is nothing about the machinery of the brain that necessitates the observation of consiousness by us. everything else aside from observation is sub concious, even your personality and thoughts. if thats not the soul then idk what is.

if thats the case clone brains might be like computers, or a clock, who operate presumably without perceiving the operation of their selves, like a person in a coma or brain damage which renders them unable to gain consciousness, but whos body is alive, even responding to stimuli in some cases.
why is it necessary for us to percieve, to see out of our own head though our eyes? if conclusions and abstractions are drawn before we see it then what use is seeing it.

in any case it would be up to god to give a soul to any material so really its not a practical concern. maybe moral depending on your dogma.

>>131349760
Interesting perspective

>>131349760
not eating animals you killed and butchered yourself is like fucking a trap.

i mostly do. so by your logic i am more legit than you?

>>131366359
Probably a bug in the system. I had problems posting a moment ago

>>131367712
>I don't understand cloning: the post

>>131349760
Except it is meat. Meat is mostly just muscle tissue. The fact that it can be grown artificially doesn't make it not meat. Comparing this to "girls" with dicks is retarded.

>>131348845
I was gonne reply with "enjoy your cancer" but it's not like the rest of the garbage we eat every day aren't packed to hell with all sorts of GMOs and chemicals

civilization is over, we are all dead

>all these retards that believe that "naturally" grown/bred food is better than engineered food.

Do you think "natural" food has something magic in it?
Nature wants you dead. Bending it is what allows us to survive. You have to deal with it.

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>>131348845
>eating meat
ew no thanks. I'll take clean burning plant based protein thanks.

>>131369306
This

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>>131348845

Donate some cells, and clone yourself (or at least a muscle). 100% digestible. Yum, you know it makes sense.

>>131366289
give it 10 years

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>>131369306
Nature is an antifragile free market. That's pretty much the definition of magic.

>>131349477
>Why use the internet when you can read an Atlas.

>>131348845
Meat with no marbling is pointless.

Cloning is the only real hope the White race has to prevent genocide.

>>131348845

Can I inject stem cells from aborted babies into my dick to make my dick grow longer

>>131352989

>So the LORD said, "I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created--and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground--for I regret that I have made them."

God no longer cares

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>>131348845
>morals

I don't understand why we just don't clone people for consumption purposes. I would love is Sarah Palin clone rump roast with some Sarah Palin chitlin on the side. Damn I bet her chitlin taste good.

Jesus cloned bread and shit and fed entire thousands. Why shouldn't we be more like Him?

>>131348845
If I'm going to eat cloned product it better be free or dirt fucking cheap.

>>131348845
whats the fucking point of being against cloning meat? It isnt even halfway as unsafe as gmo or vaccines in meat.
cloning would just take a prime specimen and recreate it, perfectly.

But honestly, I think your biggest dilemma in life is trying to ask yourself why you are letting semetic and abrahamic memes rule your life.

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>>131370208
Then your dick gets aborted and you get a vagina.

>>131350845
heh

Why would you want to be a faithful Christian in the first place? Think for yourself.

>>131370208
One day anon, one day.

>>131348845
honestly it might not taste as good i have a small farm and animals here just taste better than meat that you buy in store they do however have less meat on them

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>>131349138

rib eye is where it's at.

>>131370803
This

Don't trap your mind in any belief system

>>131370208
I recall hearing something about how you can inject the cells into a void and they will fill in the missing material.
So in theory, if you cut your dick off, and fill the void with stem cells, they will fill in the "missing" section of your dick.

>>131348845
I don't get it. Wouldn't make a difference to me whether my livestock was cloned or fucked into existence now would it?

>>131348845
cloning is degenerate

Didn't jesus literally make a bajillion fish out of one to feed a bunch of people? Why would cloned meat be a sin? The only bad shit the cellular biologists are doing right now are the human-pig chimera experiments

>>131350845
Interdasting...

>>131366289
what?

>get good race horse
>clone it
>get another good race horse (female)
>clone it
>breed the horses and sell the genetically superior foal whilst still making bank off of orginal two horses.

>>131348845

The cloned has like no marbling so obviously the not cloned.

>>131348845
>against human cloning
Prepare to get overrun by the godless Chicom hordes, then.
>>131351440
Was Christ himself not conceived out of wedlock?

>>131348845
>cloning meat
What the point of using expensive lab equipment and workforce, when same can be done by farmhand with a dildoenema?

>>131375667

>what the point of making cars if we have horse and cart

Technology will progress to a point where it's more efficient to clone meat than to rear farm animals, but that will take time.. Just as the first cars were shit now the only people who use horse and carts are gypsies/slavs.

>>131369828
you got it backwards dingus. having cows fuck the old fashioned way and using the internet are the more efficient way of doing things.

pro tip: if it makes any difference to you then you're a little bitch

>>131375054
I'm pretty sure the messiah gets a free pass

>>131358893
>animal suffering
Flag checks.