Stop shilling capitalism.

>>131302630
So you think that welfare is wrong?
Because so do I.

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>>131302630
but goy! capitalism efficently allocates capita-

>>131302630
Obviously you've never heard of international socialism, which is what the no borders no nations crowd is shilling.

>>131302630
If you think the rich people under capitalism don't work, why don't you become rich like them? It's easy and takes no work at all, right?

>>131302630
If some retards cannot understand what socialism is, it doesn't make socialism good.

>>131302838
We should hunt and arrest them for having such large amounts of money. That would be the right thing to do.

welfare is a good idea as it takes care of those who have no proper chance to work hard due to health related problems.
If the health problem can be fixed, the welfare should only be temporary

>>131303021
>arrest people with a lot of money

THAS RIGHT! NEXT WE SHOULD ARREST EVERYONE WHO HAS A GUN AND WRONG OPINIONS!

>>131302630
> pictures of people relaxing ergo they didnt earn it
Im not sure what you meant by that OP.

>>131302920
>It's easy and takes no work at all, right?

Being born with a trust fund and inheriting an estate really doesn't. No.

How many self made/first generation rich do you think there are?

The american dream is dead and buried mate, get with the pogrom.

>>131302630
Capitalism and communism are both jew systems. A third position is the true red pill

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>>131303021
No goy! When the elites evade taxes, it's a good thing! It makes them smart! We should cut their taxes! It'll trickle down!

>>131303021
Okay, sure. We'll start with Democrats.

>>131303343
That's sad but true. It's how it is now today. You largely just can't stake out on your own and bam, prosper. You need family members who are connected. You need networking that borders on nepotism. How you are born largely dictates your quality of life unless you're a nigger. Then gibs because muh oppression.

George Orwell was right. Socialists/Communists don't hate poverty. They simply resent rich people and want to steal their shit.

>>131303432
>Capitalism: individual ownership
>Socialism: collectivized ownership
>The difference is literally a linear relationship
>A THIRD OPTION

Such as?

>>131302630
> Rich people don't work.

That's a nice life strategy that you have here. Act it out. See what happens.

>>131303767
What does Melania do?

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>>131303471
>that flag
>those posts
Wait just a minute....

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>>131303839

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I typed socialist into google and pic related is the result. like it or not dear socialist, the result is telling.

to the socialists of /pol/: this thread is an opportunity to tell the rest of us about times you practiced socialism in your everyday life and the results you achieved. without crying about the evils of capitalism, tell us about the blessings socialism has brought into your daily life please.

don't be shy now...

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>>131303897
I think...I know where this thread might be heading

>>131303343
Wrong. A lot more people than you think get their chances and blow them.
http://fortune.com/2015/03/02/economic-inequality-myth-1-percent-wealth/
https://www.aei.org/publication/evidence-shows-affluence-fluid-widespread-contrary-rigid-class-structure-narrative/print/

>>131303141
>tempoerorary

Yeah because the agency that is going to be required oversee that shit is going to be able to keep track of all the assholes that exploit that "temporary" bullshit for years after they are healthy. Kys

>>131303803
She was a fashion model. People paid her to wear clothes for others to watch. It's a legitimate job.

Now she's the first lady.

>>131304031
When was the last time she modeled ("""worked""")?

>>131303471
Why do people use that picture? Of course people who have more money save more when you compare dollar amount saved. I really want to know the percentage that each group saves. If 10% is saved across the board then it isnt "unfair" per say. This graph is intentionally deceitful

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>>131304144
>why do people use that picture
Oh BOY you've done it now

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>>131304144
Of course Trump's tax cuts will benefit the wealthy! Nice argument you there kid. It's my argument.

Why do you GOP shills always fight for tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires?

>>131302630
This image is pretty funny.
>view of socialism
>people slaving away on construction and in factories

>view of capitalism
>people enjoying their life and free time

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>>131304147
But I never demanded that

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>>131304205
>e

success by innovation is certainly still possible, but if you look at statistics, only a small permille of population can achieve it, since the economy will never allow for the majority to become as successful and/or rich as the people in OP’s pic. The rich depend on the poor. One can’t exist without the other, so everyone who says that by working hard everyone can become successful is wrong. Nepotism likely plays a much larger role than one’s industriousness

>>131303803
she worked as a model. Now that she’s married a millionaire, she doesn’t have to anymore. That doesn’t mean she didn’t work hard.

>>131304004
What’s your alternative? Let them enter poverty and die even if there’s a chance to heal them and make them productive?
Exploiting has a lot to do with education and morality. Teach people wrong from right from the early age onward and they won’t exploit it. Ofc it wouldn’t work in Africa-tier country, but in a developed country it would.

>>131302630
This is a nice picture because the first photoset shows unity in a society that values hard work (which is the goal of a fascist society) and the second shows the degeneracy of your typical fatcat/ consumerist's lifestyle (something fascists despise).

Why aren't you a fascist yet, anon?

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>>131302630
fixed.

>>131304119
No idea, but she made money before she met Trump. They met through the fashion industry.

And still, it's a legitimate job. I'm sorry you don't look good enough for people wanting to pay you for it. Can't win em all.

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>>131304279
oh but you did

>>131304119
>deliberately ignoring that she married a billionaire and bore his son
Are you saying being a mother isn't a full time job? Rather sexist of you, leaf. I'm telling the Human Rights Commission on you.

>>131303471
>when you try to strawman but accidentally just tell the truth

it is a good thing when the elites evade taxes, because taxes are bad and are used for bad htings.
It does make them smart because if you're doing your taxes, and you don't accept a legally allowable tax break for no reason, you're NOT smart.
We should cut their taxes, and my taxes, and your taxes. It's none of my business if their full wages are more than mine. There is a whole 1/3 of my paycheck that I earn, and do not receive, every week that I'm more concerned with.
If by trickle down you mean how it's rich people who pay the salaries of the working class and for nearly all of the tax revenue that services the lower class, then yeah it does.

>>131303996
>lol no anyone can be part of the 1%
>source: article in magazines published by the 1%

>>131304232
I'm a middle class worker bee who's in the 25% federal tax bracket. I'm shilling for my own tax cut. Try again fag.

>>131304322
Lol that chart is terrible. Wasn't FDR the biggest Keynesian of all?

>>131303950
>without crying about the evils of capitalism, tell us about the blessings socialism has brought into your daily life please.

if you want people to convert to socialism you should be able to answer this. am I wrong?

>>131302838
>but goy!
jews invented socialism

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>>131304359
Oh
but I didn't

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>>131304299
This isn't hard work.

>>131304322
But nazies used Kenysian economics so I don`t really see how "austrian" economics are anti-jewish. Specially since they were created by jews.

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>>131302630
same shit
/thread

>>131304338
They met in a restaurant.

So when was the last time she worked?

>>131302838
>offshore havens offer low taxes
>the countries they are hiding their money do not
Pretty hilarious that you are making our case for us. What you are effectively proving is that taxing companies simply means they will move their shit elsewhere rather than "sharing the wealth". Sure, it reduces wealth inequality, but it does so by ensuring that companies simply leave.

>>131304477
Who invented socialism?

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>>131304366
All stay at home moms are hard workers now? Trump said they were deadbeats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np40ayMJI1Y

>>131304031
So she went from model to first lady and somehow these facts are points of criticism? Sounds more like a successful career.

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>>131304407
Why do you think millionaires and billionaires need tax cuts? Why do you always fall for the trickle down meme?

Why don't you conservashits ever care about the budget deficit?

>>131304502
No that example sure doesn’t look like hard word, but that pic alone doesn’t fairly portray her whole vocation before become a first lady.

>>131304629
I love how the billionaire globalist shillcucks of (((pol)))'s solution is never to go after tax havens.

Your solution is to cut their taxes even more. You really are good goys aren't you.

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>>131304648
>unironically citing politifact
Top fucking kek, you leftists really are retarded

>>131304359
Yeah. I want them to fix the system so even more people can become billionnaires!

My EEEVIIIIILLLLL PLAN! To increase the voting block of rich assholes by making LOTS OF PEOPLE RICH!!!!

>>131304420
You're thinking of Wilson, the man that sold us out to the Federal Reserve and set the precedence for the US to "make the world safe for democracy." FDR sold half of Europe to the communists and set us up with a doomed to fail safety net system.

FDR was a polished turd at best.

>>131304563
>Melania moved to New York City in 1996 and met her future husband, Donald Trump, in September 1998 at a Fashion Week party in New York City.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melania_Trump

Stop saying stupid shit. I already answered your question, and I'm still sorry you don't look good enough to be a fashion model.

>>131304653
Why are you saying this to me? Someone asked was Melania does, and I answered that she's a first lady and former fashion model, which means she had a good career prior to meeting Trump.

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>>131304787
>>131304653

>hard work

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>>131304906
You're denying that Trump said the unemployment rate is 42%?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np40ayMJI1Y [Embed]

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>>131304921

>>131303207
>Not just killing the super elite like the Rothschild.
>By killing the super rich you somehow aren't killing the Jews.

Are you against killing Jews, Mr Shekelstein?

>>131304232
Nigger you dont know basic math. If someone with $100 dollars saves 1% and someone with a million dollars saves 1% then they each save $1 and $10,000 respectively. Using a graph that only accounts for dollar amount saved as opposed to percentage saved makes it "seem" like one saves more than the other. So until you provide a percentage saved by each one you can go fuck yourself

>>131304648
>moving the goalposts to ALL stay at home mothers when originally you asked SPECIFICALLY about one woman, Melania Trump
I know you won't admit defeat but to all the lurkers, you can watch IN REAL TIME this stupid leaf run through the gamut of logical fallacies and dishonest debate tactics. He is a LOSER and you should disregard everything he posts.

>>131304984
oh look another extreme example. Read my previous post again (dont mind the spelling mistakes)

>>131304984
Are you that jealous? Stop being a bitter cunt and accept that not everyone are gonna work in a fucking steel factory.

What would an ideal tax policy be?

>>131304931
What was the answer to

So when was the last time she worked?

You keep calling her First Lady lol she's the shittiest first lady ever. She doesn't do anything. Ivanka is more the first lady.

Yeah dude. Just look at capitalist Venezuela

>>131304984
lol no?
But it's smart work which is way more profitable. What is a model's retirment plan supposed to be? You either become and agent to work after you're 28 or you get scooped up by a rich guy and become a super rich wife. In that sense, her career choices were very smart and have seemed to worked out for her. I'd work twice as hard as her to get half of what she has.

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>>131305142
This is how u cucks always get fooled for trickle down tax cuts. You literally always fall for the trickle down meme. Why not just cut taxes for those making under $100k? Why do you retards always fight for tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires?

>>131305087
well you're certainly not going anywhere with your attitude.

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>A fucking leaf: The Thread

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>>131305164
wtf you brought up stay at home moms?

>Are you saying being a mother isn't a full time job? >>131304366

For 8 years u retards classified all stay at home moms as unemployed.

Also, you're all proving my point here

>>131303767
>>131303803
rich people dont' work

lol you're confirming that

>>131305202
We should not reward things that do not benefit the humanity. It creates culture that can be equated to cancer.

>>131305202
So you admit that rich people dont' work which confirms OP's post

>>131305244
Google the definition of first lady. You should next come to conclusion, that the first lady of the USA is Melania Trump.

>So when was the last time she worked?
I answered this in >>131304338 with
>No idea

You're asking for a specific date or fashion show. I have no fucking idea. She modeled commercially since age 16, and probably quit when she became pregnant. Fuck if I know when she quit. Why do you want to know?

No because you choose to give them your money and you get something in return. Just presenting a picture doesn't mean anything, also here's facts. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=0ahUKEwiL5bOrzNnUAhWsAcAKHSOmB6AQxa8BCCIwAw&usg=AFQjCNF1sHlk2z9QIx28jtvfnGP_UlkifA

OP forgets that capital is a production factor as well as work.

If everyone would be a capitalist, no one would need to work in an sufficiently automated world.

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>>131305621
lol she's the shittiest first lady ever. she doesn't do anything. she can barely speak english. Like I said Ivanka is more like a First Lady

>>131304862
Yeah, I totally love the government and want to give it more money so it can shove an even greater number of immigrant dicks up my ass. Thank you for your suggestion, Anon.


>>131305039
>now unironically citing Vox
What's next? Buzzfeed?

>>131305236
No tax at all/minimal tax. If you recreate the community so that people will willingly work to better the community that they are a part of then most of the shit should actually get taken care of.
If someone's husband dies then the community helps take care of the wife etc.

Feasible in this day and age? Not a fucking chance but I think that's how it should run.

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>>131303471
Wait a second, top 1% in the US earn 750k a year on average, which results in 225k effective federal tax rate. The chart on your pic shows average savings of about 275k in tax dollars. How in the fuck? Explain the calculation or I call bs.

>>131305560
>We should not reward things that do not benefit the humanity
>We should not
>We
Fuck off, mate. If someone wants to pay a woman large sums of money, to pose in some dress, that's fine.

>>131305602
>IT'S NOT """REAL""" WORK IF IT'S NOT HARD PHYSICAL LABOR REEEEEEE
Whatever you say.

>>131305735
I don't really care what you think of her. I hardly even care about Trump or his wife.

>>131305794
still denying that trump said the unemployment rate is 42%?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np40ayMJI1Y [Embed] [Embed]

you are fully retarded

you're that full blown german retard that I massacre every time. You get so excited when u see me in a thread but then i destroy u every time

>tax the rich at extremely high rates cause it's "fair"
>gov decides to spend more money because they are taxing the rich at a higher rate
>the rich are smarter than the gov, so they hide their money in offshore accounts and take advantage of tax loopholes
>the rich aren't producing enough tax money to pay for all of our government spending
Uh oh

>>131304477
Krautniggers did

>>131302630
Stop breathing.

>>131305805
Interesting, aren't folks too self centered and lacking in compassion to accomplish that today? It sounds a tad idealistic but would be ok.

>>131304526
You're missing the point you abhorrent nigger. All forms of authority are Jewish. Judaism and the Talmud is based completely on the idea that a Jew is better than a Non-Jew. You think they were good people, you've got to be kidding. Their culture was excellent of course, but their moral understanding of objective right and wrong was so woefully dog shit they destroyed themselves by not slaying Hitler and his atrocious ego late-war.

>>131304420
Yes. Goebbels even said he liked his New Deal. They're all Keynesian trash. They have no clue how a society operates. Not to say that their mission in white domination of Earth was wrong, they were just misled by the bull shit of their time - they're the SJW's of today minus white domination.

>>131305826
How are you getting 275k?

Also, there's a lot more to Trump's tax cuts than just marginal rates

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If you're not into capitalism and austrian economics you're basically a woman.

>>131302630

http://altfeldinc.com/pdfs/BASICECONOMICS.pdf

Read this then fuck off.

>>131305885
When was the last time Melania worked?

>>131305888
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

Unemployment is around ~25%.

>>131306174
7th november 2005

>>131306080
Look at this chart for 1% >>131303471, it's about 275k, isn't it?

>Also, there's a lot more to Trump's tax cuts than just marginal rates
From what it looks like it must be a negative tax rate: if you're rich enough, the government will pay you even more lol.

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>>131306174
I already told you twice, that I do not have the slightest clue when she last worked. Why the fuck do you keep asking and why does it matter?

>>131305367
Provide percentages nigger. I know you wont because upper classes are taxed BY PERCENTAGE more than lower classes. So even if all tax brackets had to pay into taxes at the same percentage, upper classes would pay into it more. But they actually pay more by percentage (which im fine with because they can afford it)

Ill say it again you retarded nigger. Post percentages paid into taxes by each bracket.

>>131302630
>One system taxes you so others can enjoy the fruits of your labor
>The other system makes you earn less than what you worked for
Both are shit

>>131302630
Tits or GTFO

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>>131306209
No it isn't. Even Trump admitted it's 4.3%. He just told u retards it's 42% because he knows you're gullible cucks who will believe anything

>>131305367
ok here is why.

Economic growth is driven by investment. The more investing is happening the better everything is getting for everyone. When investments slow down, the rich people feel it, but the poor people are the ones that really get harmed. It is of paramount importance that we remove as many obstacles to investment as we can. So that periods of low investment end sooner, and periods of high investment last longer.
One of these barriers to investment is simply the left over cash, actually currency, they have at their disposal. When it comes to the rich, they try to avoid taxes by turning their cash into something else, like a developed property. And this big house they dont live in is basically a more cost effective way to store their money then as money in a bank. When it comes to the poor, they dont have the ability to evade the taxes, so they have to compensate for their lack of extra money with social programs. But these social programs mostly provide their value in the form of services and vouchers. So the poor do OK thanks to them, but it doesnt equate to more spare currency that maybe they could do small scale investment in. Or even personal investment to increase their own earning power.

So there are lots of things that slow investment, and taxation is just one of them, but it's an important one. We want people to spend their money on things that make more money, and if spending $5 increases your taxable income by $10 it's not worth it to do so. So the guy with $5 still has his $5, but that investment would have been the wages for someone with $1.

>>131306350
>earn less than what you worked for
What are you saying Alejandro? That's not how things work.

>>131306334
Looks like about 250k to me

>>131306303
wow seems like some rich people don't work

>>131306009
> aren't folks too self centered and lacking in compassion to accomplish that today?

Yes they are. Hence why I think it will never happen. It would be a nice pipe dream where the community would be a microcosm of the nation and people would be able to take pride in their nation, not having to worry about outside forces subverting their way in.

>>131306338
because OP's pic shows that some rich people don't work and GOP establishment billionaire globalist shills on here were trying to dispute that

>>131303728
Fascism of course,

>>131302630
>capitalism
>taking from those who work hard
Nope, that's the opposite of reality.

>>131306725
That's socialism

>>131306350
One system is based on voluntary participation in the market. (expensive, but you get to choose)
the other is based on theft, murder and imprisonment. (cheaper, but its cold in Siberia.)

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>>131306344
Even in % terms, it's heavily skewed towards the rich. Why do you GOP establishment shills want to blow up the budget deficit (yet again) to provide tax cuts to your millionaire and billionaire wealthy elite overlords?

>>131304232
>>131303471

Why do you cucks always fall for the trickle down meme?

>>131303728
Feudalism

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>>131302630

>>131306649
Maybe one day anon, it would be very nice and something I would certainly enjoy being a part of.

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>>131303950
>he dosnt understand the googles algorithms search for things it think you'ed be most interested in making your search unique
pic related its what hapends when i do the same thing

Biggest problem of a socialist country:
No food

Biggest problem of a capitalist country
Poor people are morbidly obese

>>131306174
>When was the last time Melania worked?


shes working at triggering you, and its working. its easy to see how ass blasted you got. either your autistic or a literal paid shill who cant step down from the e-argrument your having with someone because you might lose your job.

>>131302630
>waaaah I dont understand Economics!

>>131305888
Let's see the list of things that don't count as "unemployed", shall we?
>people on welfare that do not seek to get a job, since the definition requires them to be capable of working AND seeking work, meaning someone leeching off of benefits doesn't actually count as unemployed
>self-employed individuals with nobody to pay them, meaning that if an industry collapses then someone registered as self-employed still count as employed even though he doesn't have work
>someone also doesn't count as unemployed during the first 15 weeks of being out of work
>someone still living off of his parents because he can't find work
>people legally employed and paid based on how much he produces but practically non-existant working hours, thus leading to no money

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>>131306917
hide the hypocrite

>>131306681
>because OP's pic shows that some rich people don't work
Well of fucking course such cases exist, and nobody likes rich pricks that flash their wealth with big yachts and expensive alcohol, besides other rich pricks. It's a giant circle jerk that only shallow teenagers will admire and try to become.

Now remember the rest of the rich people that work hard and have done so most of their life, to get where they are today, and shut the fuck up, please.

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>>131302630
As long as we worship wealth and power the world will know no true peace.

Our ancestors have handed down to us over their struggles of the past 5000 years the characteristics inherent in being a good person.

Yet we refuse to listen.

There is something horribly wrong with us as a species. That so much accumulated knowledge gained at unimaginable cost over such a long period of time could be so utterly ignored.

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>>131306960
I was just providing an example of rich people not working. She seems to be triggering Trump

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>>131302630
kys

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>>131303803
She's an attractive woman, she doesn't have to work as hard as others, but being a model is no walk in the park, you have to work out, watch your diet, she now makes designer clothing (I think), people are willing to pay her for her service and she receives money in exchange for that. Certain types of people who are also willing to spend more money for higher quality products, that she makes in co-operation with other people.
She doesn't point a gun to their head and force them to buy it unlike you commie kike loving nigger faggots.
She speaks five different languages.
She met Donny and is now the First Lady.
Objectively speaking, she is impressive.

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>>131306981
How many times I gotta tell u that all measures from U3 to U6 plummeted under Obama?

You're beating a dead horse. Even Trump admitted the numbers aren't phony >>131306544

He just told u retards that before because he knows you morons will believe anything.

>>131303471
>Savings by income levels
How is people falling for this? Of course if I make more money, I'll save more money on tax reductions than people with less.
Not to mention that wealthier people are the ones creating jobs. Only a fucking liberal would think is bad to insensitive job makers.

>>131307273
gib Keynesian to Polen pls

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>>131307381
Obviously they took into account other tax cuts beside marginal rates. There's no question that Trump's tax cuts skew massively towards the rich. That's Republican economics 101.

Here, read the full analysis

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-donald-trumps-tax-plan/full

At a time of deficits, debt and rising interest rates, why is Trump cutting taxes for millionaires and billionaires?

Even other Republicans call bullshit on GOP trickle down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St6ZNHKLiP0&feature=youtu.be&t=214

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>>131307381
The more money you have the more you save
What's so hard to understand?

>>131307874
>linking MSNBC
Hooktubed that for you to prevent views. Just switch the domain in the url.

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=St6ZNHKLiP0&feature=youtu.be&t=214

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>>131307793
Of course Trump's tax plan will benefit millionaires and billionaires the most!

You cucks fall for trickle down every time.

At a time of deficits, debt and rising interest rates, why is Trump cutting taxes for millionaires and billionaires?

>>131307907
lol it's of a former Republican congressman calling bullshit on GOP ideology trickle down tax cuts

>>131302630
>working hard
Anyone can flip burgers or pull some levers

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>>131307886
At a time of deficits, debt and rising interest rates, why is Trump cutting taxes for millionaires and billionaires?

>>131302630
I think it's better to regulate the bad sides of capitalism than to throw at all away. Not like the alternatives are any good.

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I can only take so much of the GOP establishment billionaire globalist supercucks of (((pol))) shilling for massive tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires

u sick fucks disgust me

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The problem is boomers and cuckservative, which have become half this board, cannot comrpehend that you can be against capitalism without being a marxist. Hitler hated capitalism and for a good reason, its been the biggest help to the kikes and is based off of greed. There is nothing wrong with a market economy, but having no government interference is just asking for subversion.
Theres nothing wrong with wanting government shit thats intended to help your people if there isnt some universal equality meme behind it. Americans have the most trouble compregending this because we have no national identity and are raised on "if you arent a capitalist libertarian you're a communist"

>>131306838
But i dont. The main point of my first reply to you was that the picture used was purposely dishonest and designed to trick people into thinking that the lower classes werent saving any of their money and that all the tax cuts were for the upper class only. I support higher taxes on wealthier citizens because they can afford it and if they cant buy a fourth car because of it then that sucks for them.
However, i do realize that if we push heavy taxes on the upper class then we get he phenomenon of capital flight. Id rather get a slightly lower percentage of their tax money than drive them out of the country and not get any of it.

>>131308230
exactly - your post should be framed at the top of /pol/

>>131308230
This.
Fascism is more conservative than it is socialist

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>>131307978
You and the old jew are wrong! Overtaxing "the rich" you just make them move their business and jobs elsewhere.

>Make a million dollars get a tax brake of 15% (150k)
>make 10 thousand get a tax brake of 15% (1500)

Uh no the rich is saving 150k!

And lastly you are not entitled to the money and hard work of others, communist scumbag.

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>>131308286
It's not dishonest actually. It's accurate. What's dishonest is the trickle down bullshit lie that the GOP have sold their cuck voters for the last 40 years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St6ZNHKLiP0&feature=youtu.be&t=214 [Embed]

It's Trumped up trickle down. Bush tax cuts on steroids. >>131308218

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>>131308534
Your billionaire globalist overlords are not overtaxed. They're undertaxed. That's the point. Do you cucks really think that if u just cut their taxes a little more, they'll stop trying to dodge taxes?

>>131308534
>brake
Ffs

>>131307539


i assure you more people on welfare dont work than the amount of rich people who dont work.

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>>131308534
>tax brake

Real talk: Why do you people even bother responding to this Leaf? You should know God damn well by now he is never going to acknowledge anything you have to say. Every single time he posts it's to put words in other people's mouths and create a strawman he can claim to "btfo" with rehearsed circular logic and ass-backwards reasoning.

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>>131308748
Trickle-down worked real well in Kansas!

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>>131308230
>There is nothing wrong with a market economy, but having no government interference is just asking for subversion.

No govt interference =subversion.
Govt interference also =subversion.

What do?

>>131308748
nothing short of 90% tax on the 1,10, whatever % will accomplish anything worthwhile

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Make me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAExa9P7hME

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>>131308953
Trump will take it nationwide!

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>>131309024
I'm not advocating a 90% tax but that is what it was before. for decades

>inb4 but they didn't pay

oh but the did. that was the top marginal rate

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>>131308887
I do acknowledge the things you GOP establishment shill billionaire globalist supercucks say. I just don't agree with them.

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>>131302630
The only answer I can give you back OP is every country that has tried Socialism or Communism it has not worked!! USSR / Cuba / Venezuela / North Korea, I do not now consider China to be, they all about the Dollars.

>>131308843
>>131308863
Oh sorry I made an spelling error from my phone in a foreign language, u fucktards.

>>131308748
Wrong the 1% of the 1% is the one undertaxed, there are plenty of people who make millions and are taxed out of their minds, thus they have to move their business.

>>131308618
>trickle down
We don't fucking care what you want OR THINK OF 30 YEAR OLD SHIT. WE VOTED FOR TRUMP BECAUSE -YOU- ARE TRAITORS!.

Your healthcare system is horrible cancer because expecting immigrant physicians to speak YOUR FUCKING LANGUAGE IS TOO "CULTURALLY INSENSITIVE" FOR YOU!

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>>131302630
>hurr durr rich people don't work and don't deserve their wealth

Typical commie bullshit

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>>131308977
throw it all away
no one gets anything

>>131308977
In the modern age small government just leads to corporatism and money running everything. The founding father's weren't retards with bad ideas, they just couldn't have predicted things like urbanization which would make their ideas not work. Ideally, you want a strong government that is run by your people, not by a bunch of kikes who own corporations and banks.

>>131309191
Good job doing exactly what I said you'd do, predictable retard. You are my bitch now. Suck my dick harder.

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>>131309244
>thus they have to move their business.

no they don't

The one year that Trump paid taxes, he made $150M and paid 25%, a lower rate than some people making $80k per year. You're insane.

>>131304862

How can you? Tax havens are located in other countries. You can't just go up to, say, Ireland and say, "give us this guy's money." You have no authority over them.

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>>131309048
>1980's
>Reagan makes the biggest tax cuts and deregulations in history
>fastest economic recovery in the history of the US
>the decade is remembered for their economic prosperity never before seen

Hmmm

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>>131308218
>not only citing politifact again but citing politifact citing Clinton

>>131309048
>using California as an example of success


[spoiler]"b-but we're not liberals, they just give us a bad name"[/spoiler]

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>>131309347
no goy hand over everything to walmart, goldman sachs and the koch bros! they will take care of u. Why should the govt regulate big business?

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>>131309426
lol no

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>>131309048
Can't wait!
>Consider: in 1928 the richest 1 percent of Americans received 23.9 percent of the nation’s total income
>By 2007 the richest 1 percent were back to where they were in 1928—with 23.5 percent of the total.
>Each of America’s two biggest economic crashes occurred in the year immediately following these twin peaks
>In 1929 and 2008. This is no mere coincidence.
https://www.thenation.com/article/unjust-spoils/

The democrats fought for slavery as the confederates, they created the Jim Crow laws, they created the KKK, and until the 1980s you couldn't be a democrat and hold office unless you were a member of the KKK.

Democrats are the real racists. They discovered that welfare works MUCH better than chains.

>>131309243
>Stupid leaf won't reply to this
>"B-but not REAL socialism, this time it will work, honest!"

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>>131309476
You're wrong on so many levels, I don't even know where to begin.

First of all it ended in a DEPRESSION according to Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw&feature=youtu.be&t=191

Second of all, the 90s and 60s had much stronger economic growth. The unemployment rate is lower now than it was in the 80s. You GOP establishment shills have fake news history about the Reagan years.

Third of all Reagan nearly TRIPLED the national debt. You GOP establishment shills never give a shit about blowing up the budget deficit. (guaranteed u retards will confuse the 2)

>>131309134
>I'm not advocating a
shut up leaf

90% tax on all assets.. just take their fucking money away. What are the supperrich going to do? Cry ? Pay others to cry about it online?

Chance of happening is near zero with Trump in office, but it's the only way

>>131309447
I'm insane and you think is OK to tax 50% of a man's earnings just because he is successful?
Do you understand that 25% Trump gave to the government is MUCH MORE than all of those people earning less 80k will give in their ENTIRE LIFE!

and you still want more, you greedy communist Jew asshole.

>>131303343
With the advent of growing technology markets there are more nouveau riche than ever.

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>>131309476
>Economic prosperity never before seen
It's sad you retards ACTUALLY believe this shit

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>>131309486
You've already been btfo. First you tried to deny that Trump said the u-rate was 42%.

There's video of him saying it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np40ayMJI1Y

Then u tried to bring up old retard memes about the u-rate.

But trump already said it's not phony >>131306544

notice u didn't reply here >>131307712

>>131309570
>>131309760

"IT'S CULTURALLY INSENSITIVE TO EXPECT IMMIGRANT SURGEONS TO WASH THEIR HANDS BEFORE SURGERY."

-Trudeau

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>>131309635
Democrats are so racist they elected the first black president!

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>>131309577
It's almost like Republicans enjoy crashing the economy

>>131309476
Its almost like that economic recovery was temporary because it caused a lot of deeper issues which became apparent decades later.

We are living in CORPROTISM

Not
Capitalism, capitalism implies free markets.

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>>131302630
QQQUUUUAAAAAARRRRRRKKKKKK!

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>>131309825
>how dare you

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>>131309900
Right wing retards can't read

>>131309981
>you can only be racist against blacks
>what is "positive" racism

>>131307886
The fact that the 1% currently pays 225k in federal income taxes on average (330k in total taxes), yet somehow the federal income tax cuts are going to save them 275k. Even if non-federal taxes are cut, it's still an unbelievable figure.

>>131309831
So you admit they dont' have to move their business? You just made that up

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>>131309243
Norway is pure socialist, is Norway a failure too?

>>131303728
Social liberalism

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>>131302630
This is a NatSoc board.

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>>131310101
they're still larping on old talking point memes

these retards don't handle their programming very well

I guess it's hard to teach an old right wing retard, new talking points

>>131310075
The invention of the corporation is what made the free market not work, theres no way around them.

>>131310145
Did you read the full analysis?

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-donald-trumps-tax-plan/full


also >>131307874

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>>131310323
Lmao. They should listen to Trump's economic advisor sometime as well

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ACCORDING TO YOU GOP ESTABLISHMENT SHILLS, WHY DOES SOMEONE MAKING $100 MILLION A YEAR NEED A TAX BREAK? WHO DO YOU REALLY SERVE?

really makes you think

Face it. Your entire cuck ideology is blowing up the budget deficit to give massive tax breaks to your wealthy elite overlords.

Obama Leaf out

>>131309900
>>131310055
>>131310099
>>131310205
>>131310323
>>131310430

"CANADIAN ARE THE STUPIDEST GODDAMN ANIMALS EVER. THEY BELIEVE THAT BULLSHIT ABOUT 'CULTURAL INSENSITIVITY' AND 'SOCIALISM' AS THEIR FAMILYS GET KILLED BY SHIT FOREIGN DOCTORS EVERYWHERE."

-Trudeau

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>>131310464
Thanks Obama!

>>131302630
the end goal of socialism is to have everyone essentially work on minimum wage
because everything above that gets taken away

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>>131310529
>>131309635
>>131309975
>>131309251
>this guy

>>131310586
You can have socialism without that, national socialism.

>>131310520
>>131310557
>>131310651

"EVERY CANADIAN IS A KEKOLD."

-Trudeau

>>131310205
Yes leaf I'm the first person EVER to claim that high taxes are hurting business, lmao.

Hell I work in the government in here and participated in the approval of 20 American business that couldn't afford to pay your taxes.

The one making this up here is you.

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>>131310520
CAN ANYONE STOP THIS MADMAN! THIS HAS BEEN AN EXECUTION!

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>>131310770
"It is striking to note that the best growth years for the bottom 99 percent since 1990 have taken place in the mid to late 1990s and since 2013, shortly after increases in top tax rates," Saez wrote.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/economicdevelopment/study-obama-tax-hikes-on-rich-didnt-hurt-economy-or-rich/2301353

>>131310848
>>131310881
"WRONG."

-Trudeau

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>>131310829
he can't be stopped

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>>131310961

>>131310520
Are you really attacking reduction of the Payroll tax burden? Why you hate business so much?

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>>131302630
This is now a redpill thread.

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>>131310651

>>131310520
You're right it's better to store the money in panama

Cunt

>>131310944
>>131310996
>>131311035
>>131311091

"I GIVE MY BOTTOM TO GOOD DADDY TRUMP."

-Trudeau

>>131302630
While I agree that capitalism is slightly less shitty than socialism, capitalist economies are still prone to speculative booms, busts, and, depressions.

Every system whether it's based on capitalism, communism, or some combination thereof has a certain shelf life. History books are littered with the corpses of dead empires.

The limp-wristed libertarians have a misplaced faith in the ability of capitalist systems to self-correct.

>>131311066
On someone who makes $100 million a year? They don't need any tax cut. Only GOP establishment shills and wealthy elite worshipers think they do

I honestly don't you think billionaire globalist shills even understand how tax brackets work. You do know it's possible to cut taxes for say those making under $100k, and raising taxes on the millionaires and billionaires that you worship, serve and obey. You do know this right?

>>131311035
Trump fucked Trudeau's mother. Seriously, look it up.

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>>131311107
needs more jpeg

>>131311179
billionaire globalist shill detected

>>131310557
Obama let Isis kill children for no reason other than being a piece of shit

>>131311182
Capitalist systems can restart from total failure.

Socialist systems cannot fix themselves when they break.

>>131311319

He also fucked Sarkozy's current wife.

True story.

>>131306558

Investment presupposes that the people who have the capital to invest are productive. Bankers aren't productive. They own capital and wealth because they have, through centuries of fraud, obtained vast amounts of real wealth as well as gained control over false wealth creation.

If you have a home garden, you are more productive than a banker and contribute more wealth than he does if you share your produce with friends, neighbors and family. This is because you're distributing concrete goods. All banking is essentially the production of capital without anything tied to it. It's monopoly money and people who claim their role in handing it out are "helping" are lying. The only real resources are concrete goods and actual services. Bankers manufacture demand without concurrent supply and live off the fake demand even as they weaken your ability to level demands with the real productivity of your labor.

The banking class is a thief class. The false political paradigm we live in transforms conservatives and the right wing, the only natural predator of the banking class, into its most ardent defenders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGk5ioEXlIM

>>131302630
Capitalism has been responsible for the greatest increase in the standard of living in countries around the world in recorded history. Socialism and communism have almost universally led to economic ruin and collapse.

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>>131311319
No he didn't. You retards can't even comprehend a story correctly. It's hilarious how u morons always spew fake news

>>131311481
You can have neither. Capitalism leads to cancer aswell.

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>>131311347
Obama bombed the shit out of ISIS and you cucks hated him for it.

>>131302630
Both are examples of poorly regulated economies. Now fuck off retard.

>>131311320
>>131311346
>>131311488
<1488 GET>

"YOU'RE A DUMB NIGGER."

-Trudeau

>>131311481

Is that due to capitalism or strength of currency through military intervention and fiat?

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REJECT DECADENCE EMBRACE THE THIRD POSITION

SOCIALISM = JUDAISM
CAPITALISM = JUDAISM
THIRD POSITIONING = WHITE SURVIVAL

>>131311488
LEAF'D

>>131310944
Can you give me sources of what the article claims?
Because I can show you articles saying that economy in Mexico is flourishing, but it's hilariously wrong.
Also what Obama taxes is the article talking about?

>>131311558

very disrespectful

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>>131310430
Got it, it meant household income. Fair enough. Then again, with Trump's cuts, assuming the average salary of 50K a year, an average American is going to pay 4.2% in Federal Income Taxes, compared to 11.4% as it is now. The problem with that original chart posted is that it leaves the impression that the poor ain't gonna benefit at all.

>>131311558

"IT'S FUNNY WHEN MUDSLIMES GET KILLED."

-Trudeau

>>131303692
Orwell was a black bloc anarchist you retard.

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>>131311705
I haven't saved them all yet but that tennis pic collection is fucking hilarious

>>131302630
>Yes goyim we'll turn in all our money to the government and they'll treat us fairly in return
Really puts the shill in soshillism

>>131311745

>the problem with that original chart posted is that it leaves the impression that the poor ain't gonna benefit at all.

That's the intention of the chart and the leaf

>>131311745
Why not just cut taxes for those making under $100k?

At a time of deficits, debt and rising interest rates, why is Trump cutting taxes for millionaires and billionaires?

>>131311703
read the article

"It is striking to note that the best growth years for the bottom 99 percent since 1990 have taken place in the mid to late 1990s and since 2013, shortly after increases in top tax rates," Saez wrote.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/economicdevelopment/study-obama-tax-hikes-on-rich-didnt-hurt-economy-or-rich/2301353

why do u cucks always shill for tax cuts for the rich?

>>131304147
I don't think that's the primary reason people supported Trump. A lot of Trump voters were (((Sanders))) voters who had crossed over. They're both shit though.

>>131310255
No it isn't. The means of production are privately owned in Norway.

Stop lusting after other people's wealth.

>>131311916
>>131311983
>>131312114

"I LOVE IT WHEN SOCIALIST LEFTIES THINK MUSLIMS NEED CULTURAL SENSITIVITY. MUSLIMS WANT TO KILL THEM. WHAT A BUNCH OF MORONS."

-Trudeau

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>>131312276
73 thats enough today

>>131308218
>politifact

>>131311558
Obama have guns to isis... errr I mean moderate rebels

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>seize the wealth from the rich
>country turns into a 5th world shithole

Case in point: Venezuela. Socialism has never worked, it is marred with constant failures and collapses.

>>131310296

Reading the replies so far has led to believe it is mostly neocon. Aside from comrade leaf.

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>>131302630
> Make everyone poor because I hate being poor

>>131312337

"CANADIANS ARE THE BIGGEST COWARDS ON EARTH. THEY EVEN STAND AROUND AS THEIR MOTHERS, SISTERS AND DAUGHTERS GET RAPED AND KILLED. I'M GAY, BUT CANADIANS ARE A BUNCH OF FAGGOTS."

-Trudeau

>>131302630
We just need capitalism with a 100% estate tax over like a million dollars.

>>131311457
>Capitalist systems can restart

The last time we had something resembling total failure (The Great Depression), WW2 happened a few years later. It took almost 20 years for the system to "restart". The system we had after WW2 with the Bretton-Wood agreement did not resemble the system we had during the Roaring 20s.

While I admit capitalism is less shit than communism, it is still shit. The limp-wristed cheerleaders of capitalism aren't much different than the limp-wristed cheerleaders of Marx.

>>131312114
The article doesn't give reference for the numbers they're reporting, neither says which Obama policies did that "change", do you have that information? Or else I call BS.

And just because a person is successful and earns more doesn't mean that the government is entitled to more of their money.

You are the one Shilling for the government to rape the successful with taxes, you are not entitled to other people's money.

>>131312432
That or countries packing their shit up and going back to capitalism. Vietnam and China got hundreds of millions out of poverty when they transitioned to a capitalist economy.

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>>131312661
What part are you confused about? That Based Bill Clinton and Obama raised taxes on the rich? Or that incomes went up?

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Why are Leafs the biggest fags in the entire world you are a stain on the anglosphere

>>131312656
Capitalism is a shit system, except all the others are worse.

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g2g u filthy billionaire globalist shillcucks

>>131311650
Capitalism is responsible for recent economic growth in countries like China which has only built up their military after their economy has grown. The same is true for most of Europe. Yes, they have a lot of welfare systems, but as far as business is concerned they are very capitalistic.

>>131312547
>hates Capitalism
>all of their solutions is to charge or spend more money

Why are communist this delusional? Don't you see the irony and the economical paradox?

>>131303021
Nah man
There just needs to be a limit on how much money you can have.
Probably somewhere around 100 billion

>>131302630

Trying to avoid the natural boom-bust cycle by propping up the economy with low wage shitskin workers and government bailouts isn't capitalism

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>>131312934
But wait I have a free helicopter ride to offer you only power bottom leafs allowed

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>>131312934

"DEMOCRATS INCREASED WAGES AT THE COST OF SENDING -WAY- MORE JOBS OVERSEAS. GODDAMN CANADIANS ARE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO NOTICE THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE BUSY SUCKING MUSLIM DICK AS HARD AS THEY CAN."

-Trudeau

>>131312833
>He thinks Clinton is the reason for the growth from 94
>He thinks Obama is responsible for the growth in 2010

Which Obama policy according to you had the impact of the growth between 10-12?

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>>131312680
What happened after the shitty socialism meme was dropped by Deng Xiaoping in the late 70s, massive liberalization and private businesses and property legalized again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform#Economic_performance_since_reform

>China's economic growth since the reform has been very rapid, exceeding theEast Asian Tigers. Economists estimateChina's GDPgrowth from 1978 to 2013 at between 9.5% to around 11.5% a year. Since the beginning of Deng Xiaoping's reforms, China's GDP has risen tenfold.[29]The increase intotal factor productivity(TFP) was the most important factor, with productivity accounting for 40.1% of the GDP increase, compared with a decline of 13.2% for the period 1957 to 1978—the height of Maoist policies. For the period 1978–2005, Chinese GDP per capita increased from 2.7% to 15.7% of U.S. GDP per capita, and from 53.7% to 188.5% of Indian GDP per capita. Per capita incomes grew at 6.6% a year.[30]Average wages rose sixfold between 1978 and 2005,[31]while absolute poverty declined from 41% of the population to 5% from 1978 to 2001.[32]

Poo in loos were socialist until the early 90s.

>>131303728
eugenics

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>>131304147
>We demand to be flooded by the third world
Wew

>>131302792
Had it exclude corporate welfare and taxpayers paying for fuckups of high players, your opinion would be relevant.

Until that it's the same as China shilling for "global warming" meme - telling poor (and middle class) to "put yourselves by bootstraps", while getting everything handed.

BY BILLIONS. WITH NO RESPONSIBILITY WHATSOEVER.

>>131302630
I disagree, if they're truly capitalists, they make thier money by working hard, if they're stealing it from hard working poor folks then it's not capitalism; it's theft.

You should see the lying parasites that are in the UK benefit system, seriously, I've been involved in it heavily in the past and I swear to fuck, half the people are just milking the system.
Money comes in from working men and women and goes out to lazy people.

Most rich capitalists get lucky or work ridiculously hard. I'll say it again, if they're stealing from you, it's not capitalism.

>>131302630
Right because flipping burgers in one store is so much hard than making sure a few hundred stores are able to continue running. Being a CEO pays more because it is without a doubt a far more difficult job.

>>131312999
>by propping up the economy with low wage shitskin workers and government bailouts isn't capitalism

"True capitalism has never been tried".

>>131312988
I'm not a communist i'm a national socialist, you can like a market economy without having communist autism.

>>131303343
Nobody is saying all that work hard will be rich or vice versa. The free market capitalist system is the ONLY system in which there is even the possibility of someone starting below the poverty line and becoming a 1% er

You're retarded if you think the american dream is dead and over. I personal know many students that grew up poor and are now at colombia making 150k right when they get out.

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>>131312923
>Capitalism is a shit system, except all the others are worse.

I can respect this argument.

>>131312987
>Capitalism is responsible for recent economic growth in countries like China which has only built up their military after their economy has grown.

China's growth is based on inflating a massive debt bubble. When China collapses it's not going to be pretty.

>>131312833
Obama did not help the average American. He gave the (((banks))) trillions. QE was basically just a massive wealth transfer to the likes of (((Zuckerberg))) and (((Bezos))).

Clinton was also the one who signed in NAFTA

Trickle down doesn't work but keynesian is garbage too.
The easiest thing to do would be to remove tax exemptions from the tax code, so even if the tax rate were to be lowered they would be paying a higher effective tax rate since they would actually have to pay taxes them.
Also, make it a criminal offense to hoard money offshore to avoid paying taxes.

>>131302630
Most billionaires are self made:

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/269593

End your life, Marxist parasite.