The second amendment says you have the right to bear arms in

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>>131299718
hes right you know. fuck you for wanting to protect your property and or family.

Low quality bait
I hope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4zE0K22zH8

>>131299718
Post your copypastas again YOU FUCKING COCKY BOOTLICKER.

>>131299718

This is a excellent point. If one is not in a militia then they should not be able to bear arms.
Or dare I say only able to bare arms while exercising militia activities which does not include residential use.

This is great thank you. Will bring this up at our communities townhall there are many great democrats locally and right now it is important to start local and start the free flow of ideas in your HOME TOWN.

You have the power to stop violence.

>>131299949
What if people is representative of those who are members of the militia?

the American people make up the militia
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Blow it out your ass

>>131300353
Yes, literally every american is part of the military.

>>131300333
>>131300353
>>131300462
Militias are almost non existent in the U.S.

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I'm gonna rip your head off and shit down your neck

>>131299718
>No limit on how many militias a state can have.
I am a militia of one, I can do as I please.

>>131300563
OP here, then in that case wouldn't guns only be given to the people in situations in which they would need to actually fight against our own government?

>>131300594
Amazingly regulated, too

>>131299718
>says you have the right to bear arms in a well regulated militia
That's not what it says. You are either stupid, ignorant, or a troll. Go read it again and if you have any question I'll be happy to answer them. Meanwhile, sage.

>>131299718
>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
>the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
>the right of the people
>the people

>>131300353
/thread
>>131300563
Maybe they're not needed? If there was a need for a militia, whom it would comprise? Police, military, disarmed citizenry? Former 2 already would be busy if you'd need militia.

>>131300839
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>>131300462

Check out the various state constitutions. Indiana, for example defines the "militia" as all men age 17 and older.

>>131300790
>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

As a force to keep military power in check should exist, people belonging to it should have the right to guns.

Either the military is the militia, or the common people are the militia, but either way it doesn't work cause the militiamd dsn't actually form until it needs to keep the actual government in check, meaning you wouldn't need guns

>>131300713
You can pretend to not know the 2nd amendment, that's cool. The 2nd amendment is meant to deter the emergence of a tyrannical government. Modern day militias are ill equipped to deal with such a scenario.

>>131300839
This, the people having arms was obviously the original intent considering how it was implemented and talked about for the entire lifetime of the founders, who all owned guns.

>>131300939
The 2nd amendment is meant to deter the emergence of a tyrannical government.
Modern day militias are ill equipped to deal with such a scenario.

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well regulated militia is separate and means:
>We gonna standardize our ammunition nigga

>>131300757
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected.

>>131299718

That's not what it says at all, Achmed.

You should really try to study harder in your ESL class.

>>131301098
>Either the military is the militia, or the common people are the militia, but either way it doesn't work cause the militiamd dsn't actually form until it needs to keep the actual government in check, meaning you wouldn't need guns

This literally makes zero sense.

>>131301098
THE MILITARY IS NOT THE MILITIA LEARN THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE.

>>131300563
check your state
in WA, pretty much every adult is a member of the militia
>The militia of the state of Washington shall consist of all able bodied citizens of the United States and all other able bodied persons who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, residing within this state, who shall be more than eighteen years of age, and shall include all persons who are members of the national guard and the state guard, and said militia shall be divided into two classes, the organized militia and the unorganized militia
https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=38.04.030

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Eat shit and die

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>america literally didn't have a standing army when the 2nd amendment was added
>it's still viable when their military force is more funded than the next 8 nations combined

>>131299718
Question: right after the first amendment ensuring the right of the people to free speech, why would the second amendment ensure the government's right to have an army? It's totally out of place in the bill of rights. And why would they word it as 'the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed?'

>>131299718

The Second Amendment doesn't say that.

It says;

>The right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

What part confuses you?

>>131299718
because a militia is not the military or police?

>>131299718
Dear OP, fuck you.
Sincerely everybody

>>131300353
Yup

>>131300462

It says militia. Not military, you illiterate baboon.

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>>131299718
The Supreme Court ruling DC vs Heller ruled that the right to bear arms extends to individuals.

>>131300353
Militia Act defined the milita as everyone way back in the 1700s. Brit knows this but donkeys don't.

>>131299718
Back then, a militia referred to all men between 18 and 50

>>131299718
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOwy9OWfnAM

>>131300757
The American people ARE the militia
The American people ARE HEAVILY regulated.

>>131301098
> As a force to keep military power in check should exist, people belonging to it should have the right to guns.

No.

Because the need to be able to form a well-run militia exists to fight threats both foreign and domestic, the People who would comprise and form it need to be free to own and use arms.

>>131300713
>in that case wouldn't guns only be given to the people in situations in which they would need to actually fight against our own government?
So the government would give guns to the people when they need to fight against the government becoming tyrannical? What world are you living in?

>>131299718
Dude I've seen like 4 threads from u so far in the past hour

>>131301202
And yet could become so easily given the fact armed Americans outnumber the military and the police several times over.

>you need to be part of a group to protect your country from any and all threats both foreign and domestic

Ummm no sweetie

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>>131299718
militia = a group of CITIZENS

get a clue, you uneducated, ignorant retard. also,

>jackass flag
>jackass post

ah. now it makes sense.

>>131299718
Why do you even care?

Guns are fantastic

The best part is that if you try to form a well armed (or Well Regulated in old timey speak) militia then you WILL be shut down by the zogbots.

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>>131300713
>the government would willingly give guns to people when they needed to fight the government

Well, good to know that the guy who started this thread is quite literally retarded. Or false flagging.

>>131299718
2A/Right to keep and bear arms will NEVER ever be a topic of "trolling", stop trying.

Guns are the very last bastion of resistance against NWO and the international jewry.

>>131299718

All males between 18-45 are in the irregular militia as defined by the Militia act.

Why do you hate women?

>>131301594
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_organizations_in_the_United_States
It says here that they are small in numbers.
Militias are poorly equipped to to deal with a totalitarian takeover of the U.S.>>131302003
What? Why do you think the government is hell bent on creating a fucking SURVEILLANCE STATE.

>>131299718
Because your definition is wrong per the SCOTUS.

>>131301098
>Either the military is the militia, or the common people are the militia, but either way it doesn't work cause the militiamd dsn't actually form until it needs to keep the actual government in check, meaning you wouldn't need guns

Military is not the militia and when the military is controlled by the government the people need guns to fight if a tyrannical government emerges. So, yes, guns are needed.

>>131300333
"The People" as written has been deemed by SCOTUS to mean "every American citizen".

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>>131299718
We need to have the power to neutralize niggers and sand niggers and spics.

>>131301098
Again. Per SCOTUS the "militia" is every fighting age male citizen of the US

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>>131299718

Because _*I*_ am the militia, dolt.

Since you inherently see yourself as not in it, you are not and are not legally allowed to own/use firearms.

> Hold my beer and watch this, son.

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"I've got two guns, that should be enough for all of you."

>>131301098

So not only do you fail to understand the 2nd, but you don't know what "well-regulated" means.

As we all know, the military only goes to work when there's a war to fight, training, development and maintenence just do themselves.

>>131300757
get out of my safe, anon

>>131299718
Weak bait. You fucksticks can't disarm the American people. You can try, I'd like that to be the hill you retarded catchphrase spewing lemmings die on. It would be a full military operation on domestic soil to do so, which is unconstitutional, cops couldn't do it.you don't know how many guns there are that can't be tracked. It's a stupid, stupid idea. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>>131301974
OP here, I only posted this one

A militia is a fighting force raised from the civilian population. It wouldn't be a very effective militia if they didn't have weapons.

>>131299718
Supreme Court ruled that everybody is part of militia.

>>131299718
>>131299874
>>131300287
Shills out in force today I see. Liberal tier logic from liberal arts students.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Notice the commas that are denoting separate clauses and phrases. Notice the final clause "shall not be infringed." But let's assume your 1984 police state goes through and is embraced. How are you going to confiscate 265 million licensed guns with a system that is not computer searchable, is 95% unorganized paper receipts, and doesn't contain the non-licensed gun owners? Also a militia is staffed by the civil population of a nation, you can't have a militia if none of them are armed.

>>131299718
>doesnt realize that militia= every citizen not already in the military
Youre part of the militia whether you know it or not.

>select all images with helicopters

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Wrong

>>131300287
This person is presenting as a queer. Folks that present as queers seek submissive sexual partners on boards such as 4chan

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>>131302968
Liar you were posting shit copypastas like pic related

>>131299718
These repeat threads make me realize Israel must be doing something stupid today. Or evidence of democratic corruption is incoming. Say hi to ultra-mega-faggot David Brock for me Share blue stooge

>>131299718
That's not what the second amendment says.

>>131303221
Confiscation is doable - it happened in Australia and it "worked".

The thing is that in the end, gun control in European-style conflicts with American principles in legislation. Here in Poland and basically whole Europe, firearm ownership is restricted per individual owner. You have some that can be obtained more or less by everybody(blackpowder+no metallic catridges generally works in most nations, in some there's also stuff like "it must be older than X" etc.) some that need various licenses and some that need so much paperwork that everybody realized that they're granted thanks to bribery and nepotism only. This fits European legislative tradition which says that there are different people and some of them(aristocracy) have special rights.

In America, the legal "tradition" goes in more free-market but also more puritan way. As such gun licenses are quintessentially un-american but NFA stamps are - you can ban some item or make it restricted(works on both guns and for example - alcohol), but creating separate "class" of people who are the only people allowed to have them is impossible. This guarantees economic freedom to some degree(if you have NFA paperwork you can sell guns no question asked to another private buyer as far as state laws allow for it afaik).

Now of course those are just trends, there are many laws in America which are "European in spirit" and vice-versa but as I've said - it's a trend and you can look at American legal system and find 10000000 other examples of it working in this way as opposed to Europe.

>>131299718

militia during that time was every able-bodied male

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>>131302968
You ready to admit you are wrong and also legally retarded or are you going to continue lying to yourself?

>>131300939
The us militia as written includes literally every able bodied man age 18 to 45 in the entire country

So pretty much everybody

>>131299718
Supreme Court will soon be 7-2 on all Bill of Rights and right-center as fuck so who cares :-D

>>131300353
This

IIRC the SCOTUS looked at the phrase this way:

the preface clause and the body clause

treat the preface clause before the comma as sort of an intro, but it has no legal bearing, just sort of flavor text. The body clause is the actualy meat of the law, and it just simply states that the people (meaning US citizens) can keep and bear arms. That's it. The people of the US can own guns and that's basically the entirety of what the 2nd amendment says. Once again the "well-regulated militia" bullshit is FLAVOR TEXT

>>131300563
What are the Oath Keepers

>>131304649

>Confiscation is doable

There are half a billion unregistered guns currently in circulation in the United States.

You are literally insane.

>>131299718
at the time 'well regulated' meant having good quality weapons and equipment.

>>131299718
>Hurr Durr I'll shitpost the same bait all day
Sage and ignore, retards.

>>131299718
>you have the right to bear arms in a well regulated militia
Nice reading comprehension moron
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Literally means "because militias are a good thing, you can't take people's guns away."
Not "you have to be in a militia to have a gun" dipshits.

>>131302953
>which is unconstitutional
Insurrection act. A small loophole, but a loophole to be sure

>>131306456
>at the time 'well regulated' meant having good quality weapons and equipment

No it didn't. It meant regulated behaviour, as in a command structure and discipline. Regular armies of the period were armed and equipped with utter shite.

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>>131299718

because the people are the militia

>>131299718
That flag is appropriate

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>>131299718
Do you see the commas? They separate clauses. Meaning "this", "this", "this" and "this". You fail OP. Go buy a gun, it's your right.

>>131306223
>Oath Keepers
How does it feel being on the suspected terrorist watchlist.

>>131299718
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246

also the law

>>131300563
Every US citizen is considered part of the militia.

A militia is, by definition, not military/police

The entire point of the clause about the necessity of a well regulated civilian militia is purely so that they could, if necessary, oppose the military/police

>>131299718

No it doesn't. It doesn't say you have the right to bear arms IN A well regulated militia.
It says, " A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "

It's saying the people need to be able to bear arms at all times, so that they might be able to FORM a militia if needed, which the founders believed was necessary to the security of a free state.
The second amendment is not really even about having the right to defend your home, or property, or life. It's about the right to resist your government anytime it's needed. Because it's what the founders had JUST gotten done doing.

>>131299718
lrn2english

The clause "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is an independent clause, and is not modified by the subordinate clause about a well-regulated militia. Please fuck off, this argument has never stood up in any court in the country and that isn't going to change because you whine hard enough.

>>131307082
Damnit I'll have to research that.

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>>131299718

Because it says very specifically "the people" not "the well regulated militia".

>>131300462

Then Bin Laden did nothing wrong, as he killed only military personnel

>>131300353
Now start a militia in bongistan, brother

>>131307802
It feels great.

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>>131299718
>Ctrl+f 'supplied'

>0 results

>100+ posts

For fuck's sake, /pol/

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>>131307342
>well regulated

Yes, it literally did. "Regulated" in this context meant regularly supplied, ie a militia AND any stockpile of arms or supplies fall under the 2nd amendment protections.

Can't defeat tyranny without materiel, anon.

>>131307921
You are technically correct. I was talking about actual armed and trained Militia members. Those are almost non existent, and the few that do exist are poorly equipped.
In the event of a totalitarian takeover of the U.S. the militias would stand no chance defending their god given rights.
Also the government currently has a raging boner and want's to institute a surveillance state, so they can build profiles and monitor all U.S. citizens. I wonder why.

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>>131300462
Can you not read you dork... he said MILITIA... not military.
MILITIA is a thing that existed even in the pre 1776 days. It refers to every citizen, who can be drafted to perform military service.
And read the 2A. It says the people have the right to bear arms SO THAT THEY can form a well regulated militia. Not we need a well regulated armed militia.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

A militia and formal military are completely different things, they didn't expect for a standing army, and knew why the militia were more important than the military [a military can be co-opted and used against the citizenry - a militia consist simply of the citizenry] thus is something happens, the government becomes a tyranny and military used against them or invaded the people come together in militia's trained and armed, its actually a brilliant system.

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>>131299718
I came to sage this thread and chew bubblegum. And I'm all outta gum.

>>131299718
you faggots can try all you like to ban or take our guns, but you'll never do it and this buttflusters you to incredible degrees

Even if you did manage it, I'd just hide my undocumented dreamers in a sanctuary pvc pipe in the woods, and I'd keep right on concealed carrying just like you keep smoking pot