Ok Anons. How did it melt so fast?

>>131289898
probably all the excess CO2 from campfires and mammoth oil

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Here's an image of what the coastlines looked like 13,000 years ago. The cod level was about 280ppm at the end of the last ice age, and sea level was about 400 feet lower.

If it wasn't co2 or "man made climate change" why did it melt in less than 4000 years?

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>>131290275
I'm at the point where I can't tell if you're asking legitimately or just dripping with sarcasm in an attempt to undermine the global warming narrative. There's so many idiots on here with flat-earther tier denialist arguments that I just can't tell anymore.

You can google "Why did the last ice age end" and it will answer all your questions.

Changes in insolation, inducing a small initial warming, which caused the release of CO2 from oceans and soils. Ice-albedo feedback from then on

In addition, a possible dust-load feedback caused by glacial slowdown of the water cycle

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>>131289898
Meteor impact on the ice sheet itself, possible multiple impacts from a single object breaking up as it neared Earth. There's some pretty insane evidence of massive amounts of water flowing over the landscape from that period, more than most people even think about.

>>131290791

>google "Why did the last ice age end"
>articles all state
>might have
>possibly
>unexplained
>possibility that

ya, while I believe pumping CO2 into the air is bad, you all don't know shit and you are just playing a guessing game using the little evidence you have

Some have recently estimated (beginning ~2007) four small pieces of a comet struck the Cordileran Ice Sheet 11,800 years ago. The impacts threw large amounts of water into the upper atmosphere along with melting a large piece of the ice sheet. All the added water vapor induced a warming cycle that may have possibly accelerated the end of the ice age.

Joe Rogan is asking new questions too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQwHi3VxOww

>>131289898
The Deluge.

>>131289898
Mars got warmer. How did that happen? It wasn't my Ford explorer.

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What gets my almonds activating is the rapid temperature drop that must have occurred to flash-freeze a fucking mammoth.
>>131292943
good source for the curious, any of the Carlson episodes are great but Hancock can come off as a thinskinned prat, even though I think he's right on a lot of things. Randal and his magic slideshow make a stronger case than Graham's "DMT showed me what really happened" stories. I think he's onto something though.

>>131292943
the residence time of an average water molecule in the atmosphere is much to short for that and its concentration is also limited by the temperature.
This means that any access of water vapor is precipitated out way too fast (in a matter of a few days) to cause any real change of equilibrium temperature

All that ice is on land but the shorelines seem to be normal.

When all that ice melted where did the water go?

The ice is not in the water so it should have increased ocean levels.

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>>131289898
Pole shift

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>>131293763
it did
5m/century at the peak

Future Humans learned how to pump heat back in time, ending both Global warming and saving our ancestors from the Ice Age

>>131293442
what makes you think that this (or any other) mammoth was "flash-frozen"?

>>131289898
It melted because prehistoric man wasnt properly taxed apparently.

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Climate changes, not our fault, deal with it.

Slash and burn technique by cavemen.

>>131289898
so like newyork was frozen when people first had cars. wow you learn something new every day

>>131293820
pole shift doesnt rotate the earth

>>131289898
Current models are a lie. Prior to the end of the last cataclysmic cycle North America was the north pole.

>>131289898
meteor impact seems the mos plausible theory for the end of the Ice age

If only Mexico were a frozen tundra

>>131294189
Undigested flowering plants recovered from the stomach of that particular specimen. Given the mass and time required to freeze it solid the stomach contents should have been at least partially digested. The implication being that between eating the plants and becoming a mammoth-Popsicle there wasn't enough time for digestion to occur. Keep in mind how large the animal is and how long it takes to freeze something like that solid, and how cold it has to be to do it quickly.

>>131290791
>You can google "Why did the last ice age end"
Because you cannot explain it?

>>131294625
do you have a source where this is described?

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>>131289898

Climate Cycles.(You have larger ones & smaller ones, it also depends on Region).

Archives: http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

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>>131289898
Your mom farted and melted the ice it was like "PPPPPPTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS" and then your mom caused a giant flood

>>131289898
meteor

>>131289898
SOLAR FLARE.
Radiation blasting earth like that is why we cant trust carbon dating.

>>131289898
It got hit by a huge fucking comet.

>>131294292

Based on this, the temperature rise has been even more gradual than previous.

WE FIXED GLOBAL WARMING!

>>131294292
>Temperatures are starting to go up just as CO2 from industrial outputs goes up
Just a coincidence goy

>>131292408
>Meteor impact on the ice sheet itself
no evidence for that

> There's some pretty insane evidence of massive amounts of water flowing over the landscape
no there isnt not more than you would expect from the current accepted theory.

stop watching pseudo scientists on the Rogan podcast.

>>131294486
>>131295770

what this meteor hypothesis really fails to explain is the periodicity of the glacial cycle.

similarly sized ice sheets have disintegrated several times before to the same extend, with a period of almost exactly 100.000 years.

Is there a string of giant meteors who happen to hit the same place (North America) with a steady rhythm of 100k years?

>>131292601
>you all don't know shit and you are just playing a guessing game using the little evidence you have
Welcome to science, retard

>>131294292
and why did it change? have you ever looked into that?

here a video for starters it includues your little graph too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7aZ6vqCk2E

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>>131289898
>there was a time where it would've been impossible for Canada to exist
>you're alive at the time when you have to deal with the eternal leaf
>tfw

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>In one of the coldest periods in the last 65 million years
>Be surprised when the temperature starts going up

>>131294742
see Randal Carlson for more details
>>131295982
>no there isnt
Oh shit nevermind then, I'm now convinced.

>>131296920
is there any scientific article or blogpost that would allow a tracing of the original source? If you don't have any of those, can you at least tell me the name of the mammoth you were talking about?

>>131296896
that's not how the climate works. It doesn't just get warm because it was cold earlier

>>131296794
imagine being one

>>131296794
Just wait until it all melts baby. We're barely halfway done.

>>131289898
There was one and only one ice age following the flood. It ended. The ice cap rings are misleading because they are not annual rings. They are laid down when there is melting and cooling. As many as a dozen rings can form in a week. The total thickness of the ice caps, given annual snow fall and compaction, amounts to about 4,500 years of total snow fall.

What happened 4,500 to 4,600 years ago? The flood.

>>131289898
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue8rVSmrmZ0

Ice core data is provably a farce.

>>131290791
>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-thawed-the-last-ice-age/

Scientists consensus is the rise in CO2 but the evidence suggests uneven temp rises.

Conveniently, "the full effects won't be felt for centuries" which shows alarmism is rampant for pseudo-scientists and that even if the climate scientists are wrong they won't be remembered enough to curse at anyway

What a shitshow

>>131289898
well the earth is flat for 1

>>131298855
why would you expect the "full effect" to be observable when there is a several kilometer deep ocean and several kilometer thick ice sheets on the planet?

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>>131296920
>Randal Carlson
lay down the weed, bro, you think buying in to some dude's conjecture is science? as i said stop watching pseudo scientists on the JRE and especially stop spreading that cancer as science.

>>131298855
please refer to this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue8rVSmrmZ0
Scientific America is using a provably false axiom for ice core dating. The rings are not annual rings. Glacer Girl, the plane taken out of the ice nearly a football field [300 ft] under ice and hundreds of "annual rings" deep, proves this and was not far from one of the ice core sets in Greenland if you simply look at where they were collected.

>>131295982
Sudbury area in canada is evidenced of a nickle meteor impact.

>>131289898
Comet(s), bruh!

>>131300547
too bad that the temporal gap between that impact and the deglaciation is about 1.8 billion years wide

>>131293820
This would be Crustal Displacement

>>131298855
>>131289898
>>131300718
>>131300789
>>131299240

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue8rVSmrmZ0

Ice core data is provably flawed.
Any comments? Any thoughts?

If you think car farts is enough to fuck up what nature took over 4 billion years to perfect, you might be gullible

>>131299240
How do you know what the full effect is?

>>131294740
>SPOONFEED ME
No.

>>131301749
what that question essentially boils down to is how we know the equilibrium climate sensitivity, for which there are about half a dozen independent lines of evidence, everything from looking at the short-term climate variability (during an El Nino for example) to analysis of the entire temperature evolution of the Cenozoic.
All of these lines of evidence converge around 0.75°C/(W/m2).

The bottom line of this is that we expect a total warming of just under 2°C (compared to 1750) with the concentration of WMGHGs already in the atmosphere.

>>131301634
The deeper you go, the more compact the layers become.

For the love of god don't fall for the "earth is 6000 years old" nonsense. It's fucking dumb, dude.

>>131300547
Crazy how they've been mining that shit for well over a hundred years and it's still going. I think it's the second largest meteor mine deposit after somewhere in South Africa.

>>131302259
>The deeper you go, the more compact the layers become.

Exactly.
Did you even watch the video? You only can account for about 4600 years of total accrued ice core thickness.

>man is causing global waraming, zomg !!!
ok, what caused the second ice age to end?
>uh.....

>>131302475
http://icecores.org/icecores/drilling.shtml

>The oldest continuous ice core records extend to 130,000 years in Greenland, and 800,000 years in Antarctica

Boy, that sure is a far flung cry from 4,600.

>>131301634
we don't have to make assumptions about the age of ice cores and glaciologists certainly don't date them by counting out hundreds of thousands of annual ice rings.
To take just one example: interspersed between the ice are sharp horizons of volcanic tephra, which can be dated by various radiometric dating techniques

>>131302722
there are actually endeavors underway right now to try to recover 1.5 million year old ice from the East Antarctic ice sheet

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>>131302259
Explain to me how ice core data can be trusted as a dating methodology when the rings are not annual.

In fact, explain to me any dating methodology to prove the earth is "old." Bear in mind that C14 in diamonds is measurable, yet should not exist in any measurable amount in diamonds that were formed over "millions of years of compression." There should simply be zero (or close to zero) C14 in the carbon of diamonds, yet there it is, every-time we look. We don't know how much daughter element is in other radio-graphic dating methodologies, so we cannot tell how old they are either.

And the fossil dating? Fossils are dated on layer of sediment. Layers of sediment are dated by the fossils we find. See the problem? It is circular logic. The sediment is also provably false. How do you explain things like this? (pic related)

Did the dinosaur that stepped over this track have a size 22 human foot? I think not.

>>131296127
of course it doesn't explain glacial cycles, but sure as hell explains how the Younger Dryas started,there's another hyphotesis about how the Lachar See went off bigtime and started the warming of the planet

but I stay behing the Clovis comet theory, there's abundant evidence for that

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All you stupid heads who don't believe what the media and big money tell you too believe are stupid heads and you came from Reddit and Jews and stuff.
Science is cleverer than you and I'm really really really really clever and science is what I think you stupid headed stupid heads.
Oohhhh! Mom I got my dick stuck in the dohnuts again and there's jam all over my balls and Fido won't lick it off of me Mooooommm! Do something or you're Reddit and Jews and stuff.

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>>131302816
radiometric dating techniques involve knowing the amount of parent element that was present. How do you determine that? There is measurable amounts of C14 in diamonds, (C14 having a very fast decay rate) in coal that is determined to be "millions or years old." It should not be there, plain and simple, yet there it is, in every diamond tested. Explain how coal can be this old when we see these in nature (pic related). It is a tree growing through "millions of years of sediment." That tree was standing when all those layers were laid down, in one catastrophic event: the flood.

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>>131293820
your average /pol/ IQ is showing

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TFW
You don't need to indulge in sophistry when a lie is clearly a lie

Canadians have too much gay sex

>>131289898

Russian hackers

>>131303143
I'm getting really mixed messages here:
most people seem to put a meteor forward as an explanation for deglaciation (i.e. warming), now you're telling me that its an explanation for the Younger Dryas (i.e. cooling)

>>131303920
So do Canadians mums

>debate climate change

>on a board with flat-earthers, creationists, hollow-earthers, and general "anyone who disagrees with me is personally paid by Soros" conspiracy theorists

If I wanted to be this frustrated, I'd pay a prostitute for some tease-and-denial

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>>131302816
Again, a petrified tree growing through "7 million years of sediment."

I contend that all the sediment was laid down all at once. The grand canyon and Canyon de Chay are both evidence of a singular, cataclysmic flood.

>>131289898

"this ice sheet melted in less than 4000 years"

Well no fucking shit. It doesn't take 6 million years to gas a fucking earth.

Reminder that our age, the Holocene, is an interglacial period and that we are still in an ice age.
[i]In the present interglacial, the Holocene, the climatic optimum occurred during the Subboreal (5 to 2.5 ka BP, which corresponds to 3000 BC-500 BC) and Atlanticum (9 to 5 ka, which corresponds to roughly 7000 BC-3000 BC). Our current climatic phase following this climatic optimum is still within the same interglacial (the Holocene). This warm period was followed by a gradual decline until about 2,000 years ago, with another warm period until the Little Ice Age (1250-1850).[/i]

>>131303960
sorry I meant the ending of the dryas, I'm hungover and can't think straight

>>131290275
The laurentide ice sheet over north america was hit repeatedly with comets, creating a melting feedback loop. There's literally no other way it could have melted that fast. I suggest watch the video in the OP, it's interesting as fuck.

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>>131304254
don't you mean "6 gorillion"?

Solar output is slowly but constantly increasing. It becomes very noticeable over tens of thousands of years.

>>131295982
>no evidence for that
Watch the video before spewing this reddit line from your dumb face . There's metallic evidence in the geo record, immense water flow formations visible today, etc

>>131303096
The rings are fucking annual. http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/ice-cores/ice-core-basics/

Explain to me why in the fuck your listening to some goddamn creationist who flat out misleads the audience with that plane shit?

As for the fossil, I don't know jack shit about it and I ain't going to pretend to.

>>131304387
what do you mean with a "melting feedback loop"?

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>>131303999
Mooooommmm! My friends won't believe me and it's not fair! Oohhhh! I'm soooo angwee mooommmm you bitch.

>>131304188

The grand canyon wouldn't be formed of a singular flood. It's intricate patterns dictate constant water erosion in very precise direction for millions upon millions of years.

>>131290275
Just how large is Antartica in that picture??

>>131304617
because that plane, after only being under the ice 46 years, had hundreds of "annual rings" above it. Shouldn't it have... 46?

By the way, it crashed a few miles from where they took ice core data.

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>>131304857
I'm not listening
I'm doooing science!

>>131293820

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

The term is named after Serbian geophysicist and astronomer Milutin Milanković. In the 1920s, he theorized that variations in eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession of the Earth's orbit resulted in cyclical variation in the solar radiation reaching the Earth, and that this orbital forcing strongly influenced climatic patterns on Earth.

>>131304681
Mohammad was a nigger

>>131304756
not really...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXMcR1D-vSE

There is plenty of evidence that people refuse to look at, that prove it was one single event.

How does a river channel through a mountain range of thousands of feet? Hard to explain with the gradual water erosion...

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We burnt the bodies of french, natives, and americans, which melted the ice.

>>131305067
sure
can you explain that feedback you were talking about in a sentence or two?

>>131305018
Glad we are having a rational debate here?

Do you know what the best vaccination against knowledge?

Condemnation before investigation.

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>>131304756
>dictate
Well that's that then.

(Literally lol)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFfwIOzVlh8

>>131304857
A few miles makes a world of difference when it comes to precipitation. Also, it was way more than a few miles. If the planes were found 10 miles inland and the cores are primarily drilled in a more central area I'd say a few miles is accurate if by that you mean a few hundred...

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>>131305185
Imagine a big rounded loop of purest science...
That's all I've got. It's one of them.

>>131305754
The ice core data (one set they use extensively) is located about 6 miles from the crash site, and over 60 miles inland. The precipitation is practically identical. Hold a sec, I will sent gps lat-long.

>>131305040
that's true but it was recognized very early on that the orbital forcing that would result in these modulations is much to small (>0.7 W/m2) to warm the planet significantly, let alone cause the disintegration of entire ice sheets.

That's why the out-gassing of greenhouse gases (mostly CO2 and CH4) from oceans and soils is a necessary condition for the glacial swings

nice thread

some educated people here

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>>131305093

>Implying the mouth of the river remained constant through those thousands of years

The grand canyon having a higher elevation could easily mean that flash floods on the canyon lead to the water rushing off of it causing small indentations like pic related.

Once those indentations are low enough in elevation that water flows through it by nature of gravity, other water sources feed into this stream of water causing a river and increases the rate of erosion.

>>131306355

>through those millions of years

>>131303999
and yet you are still on here.

the jews did this

>>131306355
And how did the river go over a mountain range that was 4000+ feet above it. Do rivers move uphill?

Do you watch the videos? They are like 5 min. It seems like you are not.

>>131306355
hint: the river never flowed uphill, the Colorado plateau was tectonically uplifted while the river cut the channel

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>>131306036
While you're doing that, I'll go with this.

Pic related is a map of the drilling sites. There are many sites with very different ring data and again a few miles does make a huge difference ESPECIALLY if the planes were sitting on top of a moving glacier.

Also, unless you can show me the "one set they use extensively" is literally on top of the crash site there's nothing else to debate. I sure as shit can't find any ice core samples that are labeled by drill sight and I've been looking.

>>131298855
Concensus isn't part of the scientific method. There is a lot of evidence suggesting that solar radiation causes the beginning and end of ice ages and that CO2 concentrations rise and fall in response.

>>131306310
Are you being sarcastic? Cause I think you're being fucking sarcastic.

>>131305185
Essentially ice melts which reduces the ice albedo effect and thus increases solar energy absorption leading to more warming and thus more melting.

>>131306672

No I did, you just don't understand my explanation.

You and that guy are implying that the Colorado river has been the only force in eroding the grand canyon which is stupid to say the least.

He is also assuming that the elevation of the river remained constant through those millions of years which is equally as ignorant.

I am by no means a scientist but I can see through his flawed logic easily and you should be able to as well. You have a bias due to your religious views which makes you far easier to convince than someone like me who is impartial to religion but cares only about truth.

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>>131306947
It was very close to Dye 3 and GRIP II. It is also much farther inland than Dye 1.

http://creationevolutionbusan.blogspot.com/2011/11/greenland-ice-and-icecores-lost.html

Still trying to find exact coordinates. I did the measurement long ago but I am sure of what I told you because it bothered me so much at the time (as in I can't trust, and now no longer trust, the ice core data). I will keep looking.

>>131304188
you are retarded if you believe the story of Noahs ark actually happened

if all the sediment was laid down at once, why don't we ever find modern-day fossils found among ancient fossils? such as a rabbit being found among dinosaur bones

>>131307469
Animals eat them and the bones are dispersed. During the flood, everything (almost) died.

Also, the name-calling is not helpful. If you are interested in learning more, I am happy to talk with you. I am not assuming you are retarded even if I think I can teach you something. Peace.

>>131307267
that's the ice-albedo feedback in a nutshell

but how does the hypothesis about the cometary origin square with the fact that the Laurentide ice sheet retreated in a south-to-north direction? shouldn't the deglaciation start at a specific "nucleus" (the impact site) and then radiate outward from there?

>>131307469
also you might want to watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoTkguzRaCU

>>131307652
mixing of salt and fresh water would kill almost all marine life
flooding the earth would kill all plants and the salt from the oceans would make the ground unable to grow plants for some time

what did the carnivores eat after the flood?
what did the herbivores eat?

>>131307469
Also watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsa7ebyUVD4

and this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZKBHyIBrHA

>>131307655
I'm not at all an expert, but I would guess that comet impacts would reduce the ice sheets significantly in the areas they hit, and then that reduction would sort of initiate more solar absorption, which would then lead to your standard south to north melting process.

>>131307914
Pandas are carnivores that adapted and survived. The methodology of obligate carnivore and herbivore is misleading. Also, the animals of the sea would not die. Most marine life can survive (in a small percentage) massive changes in salinity if it is gradual enough. It's why they find sharks in fresh water streams.

Watch the videos I sent you friend.

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>>131296335
>guessing
>little evidence
>Welcome to (((science)))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVsAcwWTOsU

>>131304387
>The laurentide ice sheet over north america was hit repeatedly with comets, creating a melting feedback loop

So you are saying Tesla traveled back in time on the USS Eldridge and fired his death Ray at Canada making another Tunguska event?

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>>131307452
Okay the crash happened 10 miles inland (http://www.nytimes.com/1988/08/04/us/world-war-ii-planes-found-in-greenland-in-ice-260-feet-deep.html) in that general area, so pic related (use the distance bar in the bottom right if you want to judge my distance accuracy). This puts the planes on top of a moving glacier and approximately 100 miles away from the drill sites you specified, Dye I on the other hand is pretty close, but unless I see core samples specific to that drill sight, there's nothing more I can say on it

>>131308456
Always archive it
https://archive.is/vyGzL

>>131308493
Just trying to get this information to this guy as quickly as possible.

>>131304188
GrandCanyon was carved by massive electrical lighting bolts and plasma discharges between the planets. Electric universe theory.

>>131308587
Always Archive it

>>131308587
always archive it

>>131308723
>>131308756
Okay, I will archive the shit next time.

>>131308858
always

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>>131308456
Thanks for showing me that.
The layering data is pretty consistent with Dye I and the core samples further in-land. I remember now that it was very close to Dye I. All the glaciers shift, and it was not in a place that was very prone to shift.

The most compelling evidence of the crash site is that the morphology of the pictures layers of the crash dig are the same as the core data.

Pic is the fuselage being taken out of 263 ft of ice. There were hundreds of layers that would be created in the same way as the ice core data shows:

>>131289898
you mean to tell me, if it weren't for global warming, there would be no fucking leafs?

fuck

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>>131309366
Where are you getting the ice core data for the specific drill sites?

Also, I enjoyed the debate. I learned some things.

>>131309816
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo-search/reports/location?dataTypeId=7&search=true

>Dye 2,3
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo-search/study/2430
Can't seem to find Dye I. Will keep looking.

BTW, I live near Denver and have seen the cores.

ITT: atmosphere & oceanic sciences 101

>>131310202
Actually, it appears that no ice core samples were taken from Dye 1.

>>131310879
The Dye 1 set does exist because I saw them in Denver, but I remember they are too variable to match up with the other cores at higher altitudes so they were Q tested out. Regardless, the ring morphology is what I found interesting and the total ice depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnhIFaJ_qd0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlNfNElW16U

Kent Hovind I think gets a bad rap from many scientists IMHO. He has some genuinely interesting findings, many of which are yet to be explained.

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ASTEROID and Mammoth farts

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>>131289898
It took 4000 years.
How is that comparable to the current global warming, which has been going on for about 100 years?