Why does everyone here hate on marxism so much? He wasn't wrong.

>>131289183
If you are an atheist, he wasn't wrong, from that perspective. But his theory is destructive and degenerate. For example, Marx wants that I feel oppressed by my employer and should fight against him. While I am just fine and enjoy my work.

>>131289183
Because he was wrong

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>>131289183
>He wasn't wrong.

Leave /pol/ and never come back

>>131290625

Marx didn't advocate violence.

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>>131289183
Fuck off commie

>>131292026
Assuming zionism is a bad thing, how come capitalist countries France, Britain and the USA were the ones who implemented it and not the USSR?

Fucking retard.

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>>131289183
>quote from a fucking ubishit game
>/pol/ starts discussing it as if Marx ever said that

>>131289183
because he was wrong. Because hes been proven wrong with 100% accuracy though multiple attempts. Because his theory and politics ignores human nature.

>>131293145

Assassin's Creed was based on a true story.

Every application of his theories has failed.

>>131293270
>ignores human nature.

Human nature is a meme. I can just observe a human doing anything and say "welp, that's human nature!"

>>131291857
yes he did. violent revolution is literately violence.

>>131289183
Marx before his death admitted he was wrong and it was an unrealistic pipe dream.

>>131289183
>((()))

Doesn't this game take place in the 1850's? I thought Marx didn't even write the Communist Manifesto until the 1860's

Because marxism= collectivism = violation of essential rights...

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>>131289183
Because idiots here don't read anything they disagree with. and don't travel the world with an open mind.

Nowhere is perfect but America should learn the best from everyone.

If you can't see the large gulf between marxism, communism as practiced in the previous century, socialism, democratic socialism, power money and authoritarianism, then frankly you deserve the burger ignorance life where the money men piss on you as you scrounge around for scraps of chew whilst advanced BASED Scandinavian countries regularly have better intelligence, standards of living and freedom.

>in B4 but muh immigrants and em mooslims cucks.

>>131289183
>Killing people and destroying property solves nothing
i'm not even a commie but marx would never say that shit
>We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

>>131289183
He was wrong in nearly every point he made. For example, he predicted that capitalism would destroy itself, while it has done the opposite

>>131289183
FFS /pol/
Sage this low energy b8

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>>131292026
>Not understanding social democracy.

>>131293412
>Nothing means anything.
Found the post modernist faggot.

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>>131293270
Whereas the US rewards the worst aspects of human nature.

>Money and greed over everything.

>>131293549
Haven't played it and won't but earlier titles usually spanned over a a decade or so.
On the topic of anachronism:
>automatic pistols
?

>>131293723
Poor people are poor because they suck at life. Stop blaming other people.

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>>131289183

Communism, even socialism is an imposibility, because of simple maths - the remainder 1. Nothing can be split fairly, amongst men. Capitalism rewards hard work, communism doesn't.

>>131289183
Democracy is the only road to Socialism?

This stupid Marxist never read the Communist Manifesto.

>>131293841
>Nothing means anything
Never said that.

Define human nature.

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>>131293961
Oh yeah.
All the rich work so hard and are so fair.
Their children also work equally hard.
Meritocracy exists; it's the poor that are poor because they have the same opportunities as everyone else but are just too inferior.

You are right.
So let's do a little experiment shall we?

Let's take the poorest kids and send them to Eton. We'll soon see how shit they are when given the same opportunity of full-boarding to get the same education and networks the elite enjoy, yeah?

>Class. You should see it;s effects.

>>131293658
If you actually read Marx you would know that the OP never actually read Marx, making your whole post look completely retarded to those of us who have actually read political philosophy.

I'm guessing that's your lard ass being rolled over in that video.

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>>131289183

He was wrong

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>>131289183
Kys

>>131293145
Shamelessly admitting that I own every assassin's creed game and will get Origins in October because the story is cool as fuck and pretty redpilled

>>131294357
This line of reasoning is true in places where the poverty is so crippling that there is zero chance for upward social mobility.

But in America, all you have to do is graduate high school, avoid having children out of wedlock, don't get addicted to drugs or alcohol, and don't commit crime and you will escape poverty. Statistics prove this.

>>131294023
No, capitalism denies your humanity. It denies that you have a value other than an arbitrary number.

>>131294381
Or maybe he disagrees with you?

Listen lardo politics philosopher, Marx was bang on about the limits of unregulated capitalism in that it eventually creates it's own seeds of destruction by promoting monopolies and cutting costs to the point that workers no longer have the money to purchase the goods produced by capitalism.

Hence the capitalists love the state when the state sucks their cock and gives them the proceeds of socialism through fat government contracts and outsourcing key industries or selling nationalized assets at a low price and creating a framework to allow crony-capitalism to flourish.

Marx was wrong on alot of things; but on his critique of the self-inflicted problems in unregulated capitalism, he was right.

Even Hitler understood this; His solution differed in many regards bur Hitler was economically a socialist in many regards as he understood that you cannot allow money to be the sole arbiter of human life.

>>131294829
giving poor people welfare removes their incentive to improve themselves

Moralizing aside, how can a purely communistic government possibly compete economically against international neoliberal capitalism? That latter maximizes the flow of currency, resources, and labor; even as that system balloons to unsustainable heights, anyone who doesn't join will simply be left behind. You'd better hope your communist nation is self-sufficient enough that it doesn't need to rely on international trade, or in the long run you'd be fucked. The major obstacle to the implementation of communism is that it's inefficient. Technology might change that in the future, but that's a big if.

He's right though, democracy does lead to socialism. He just thinks that is a good thing for some baffling reason.
>‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.

>>131293270
He was wrong because the labor theory of value is wrong. I mean one of the dumbest things a man has ever concluded.

>>131293723
Looks like a jew, talks like a jew
Ever consider that if there were no rich people around those poor people would be dirt farmers?

>they portray Marx as actually sane

top kek.

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>>131294829
So why has America got the worst living standards compared to more socialist countries?
In education
Health
Infrastructure
Disposable income
Living standards.

You get beat by the danes, the scandinavians and the dutch regularly.

>Muh small population.
Bullshit and you know it. I mean you spend twice as % of GDP on public health yet you have more expensive meds, insurance and no basic coverage for all.
Your transport infrastructure is collapsing
You fund the defence industry precisely because war drives your capitalism as well as your insane monetary policy reliant on oil to back your shell of a currency.
You encourage consumption to a nihilistic degree evidenced by your obesity crisis.

As a system you are insane.

>>131294735
I'm tempted by the setting, but I can't agree that the story is redpilled. They have the most normie few of history one can have, except when they make Marxist propaganda.

>>131295348
>So why has America got the worst living standards compared to more socialist countries?

Because niggers and white trash aren't following the Gold Rule for upward social mobility.

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>>131293658
>communism as practiced
post disregarded

>mfw this is probably an underage b& trying to appear smart

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>>131295239
It was decent until the globalists wanted neo-liberalism to fund their cocaine habits.

>>131294897
no it doesn't. only if you are resource obsessed.

>>131295246
Also true. Surely any idiot knows that just because you spent a week building a pile of shit it doesn't mean anybody will find value in it.

>>131292493
They played a part in it, I mean they were jewish Bolsheviks after all

>>131295466
>Can't understand the difference.between communism and democratic socialism.
>Probably Burger with no passport.
>Thinks Norway is probably terrible.

>>131289183
Because even a bunch of autistic virgins and mentally ill traps know marxism is fucking stupid.

>>131295479
>communism would work just fine if people didn't engage in capitalism.

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>>131293658
>because the idiots here don't think like I do, they are idiots

Really made me think.

>>131294984
The problem is that there is no difference between what Marx said and how communism was implemented.

And blah blah criticism. Anyone can criticize. It's easy.

And Hitler wasn't economically socialist. He was a fascist. Fascism is not socialism. Fascism works. Just look at Libya before Gaddafi and while he was still alive. Libya was a 3rd world shithole just like Somalia and using fascist principles he turned into damn as near a shitskin will ever get to 1st world.

>>131295711
>lacks reading comprehension
>doesn't understand what communism actually is

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>>131295630
You do realize that
>Da Joos
Aren't a monolith.

You have Zionists Jews who are hated by other Jews.
You're real enemy have their wealth hidden in those islands owned by Britain.

>>131293658
Is that boogie? Pay for his healthcare!

>>131295711
To be fair, Norway is an oil welfare state, and they're having some trouble maintaining their social programs due to the oil market being garbage.

>>131295459
Stop being such an optimist about the trash of society you retard.
Some people wont learn unless you take force.

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>>131295753
>Social Democracy was working ok until the Americans were persuaded it was communism and /pol burgers have never recovered.

>>131289183
>he wasn't wrong
He was wrong about literally everything.

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>>131295811
So why no distinction between Marx's decent criticism of capital and his insane solution?
>Muh commie boo boo bad bad.

>>131289183
>(marxism)
wat is this kitery?

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>>131289183
>automatic pistols
>year is 1868
wow, that research

>>131295996

They shift it towrads that more and more every day.

You're King Nigger did his best to destroy as much of this nation as a nigger in a white house could for 8 years straight.

Forced purchasing of privatize or Gov insurance is communistic.

Also no other person has revived more campaign funding from WALL STREET MONEY FROM KIKES. Than your king nigger.

Obongo was the friendliest President aka (nigger) to corporations and wall street.

GEE I WONDER WHY?

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>>131295847
You are a true burger lad.
>The problem is that there is no difference between what Marx said and how communism was implemented.
There is a key difference, in his criticism of capitalism which was proved pretty right following the neo-liberal experiment to demolish the post WW2 Sociial structures and let
>Muh market
handle everything.

His solution Re: Communism, was unworkable.
Hitler was an economic Socialist and stating
>Muh Fascist.
is ignoring that even Gaddafi. who you mention, was economically socialist.

But because years of cholesterol have led you believe that
>Muh Socialism is Communism
has left you with hardly any of the benfits many Europeans enjoy that you should have as basic.
you really should travel more or at least put down the heart-attack food and think.

>In b4 muh leddit/Bernie

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>>131289183
>Marx thinks that the state should control damn near everything, from comms to transportation.
>Marxists don't find it outdated that according to him they can't own cellphones

>Marxists want to seize the means of production
>seizing the means equals a society that can't become an amateur at any craft-because the tools of that craft can't be privately owned

>Marxists believe that there's a difference between personal and private property-but can't explain why

>Marx himself taught that many humans that did not achieve capitalism on their own were incapable of evolving into socialists. He called them "racial trash"

>Marx in "Das Kapital" taught that utility value should direct the price-wage mechanism and fully dictate prices. The problem is: it doesn't exist. There is no intrinsic value for anything. Value is derived by subjective needs and wants, supply and demand, etc.

Did Marx get anything right?

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>>131295929
True, but that is the point that with thier money at least their people had a good life more so for more people than your system.
And we in the UK had a sovereign wealth fund like the Norwegians to keep our oil money in tact.

Oh wait, no, we let muh market take our oil money and give it to the private shareholders at a discount price.

>>131296729

Sure he lived his life as a filthy fucking KIKE in white civilization.

Achievement Earned!

>>131296728
>Europeans enjoy that you should have as basic.

And yet here we are, making fuck tons of money per price of commodity because we don't tax ourselves into oblivion.

We can afford what you an afford- the difference is that we have a choice, whereas you *have* to pay your "amenities".

>>131296698
As opposed to Greenspan and clinton, or Reagan and neo-liberalism removing the banking regulations?
Obama was essentially given the choice of
>Let the banks fail - Economy collapses - civil war
>Let the baby have their cocaine

Either way he was given a hospital pass of an economy by Bush's continuing de-regulation and debt accrued due to 2 senseless wars because your defence lobbyists needed your tax money.

>>131293658
that is fucking gross holy shit

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>>131289183
he wasnt human

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>>131297217

Its called theft and another world for it is communism.

If this country needs to be nuked or a new civil war. Let it rain HELL FIRE! I am ready to kill kikes, niggers, and general trash.

Only differane is when people like me find my bros. Were gonna hunt down every KIKE coast to coast, continent to continent, sea to sea. Until all KIKES are dead and their bodies burnt a top their holy books!

PRAISE FUCKING KEK!

>>131297249
The pic, or the fact his argument is based around calling you a burger and not actually evidencing a claim?

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>>131297480
THE FUCK IS THIS?

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>>131297480
watch out

>>131294357
The only reason the advantages that the wealthy have exist is because the wealthy exist.

When you try and strive for equity rather than equality everyone ends up shoulder to shoulder at the bottom.

>>131289183

Because he was wrong.

Well you convinced me right. You made such a fucking great argument there

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>>131297075
Not really, as your poverty levels are astronomical and your living standards are worse than those countries in key metrics.
Your country's wealth is for and by the elite an you cheer it like some peasants sated by an illusion of the American dream of
>Muh freedom.
I mean yeah your wealthy make the most because they give the rest fuck all.

>Yeah! Americaaaaaaaaah! Give the billionaires more and my community and the middle-class less.
YEEEEAH! AmericAAAH Fuck Yeah!
Or less the billioniares will leave!.
But we're Christian. Jesus would love this orgy of subservience to the Billionaire class.

>Oh now we in too big a debt; I know lets start more wars.
America.
The country of
>I'm all right Jack, fuck everyone else.

>>131297784
that's just sad, no child deserves shit like this, he didn't even had a chance.

>>131297480
Why? What is that?
They better keep that off my NHS.

>>131297589

No they wanted another nigger term because niggers want white people to be as poor as them. Kikes want whites to have no nation or families worth a shit. They want to tax all of us white and black. We are their money tree and as long as niggers exist white man will have another hurdle.

IT IS WHAT KIKES AND LIBSHITS WANT!

BECAUSE THEY ARE ANTI WHITE AND ANTI WESTERN.

The very same people who gave these niggers and kikes entitlements. Even saved KIKES from ovens. That doesn't matter the USA is GERMANY 2.0

GET WITH THE FUCKING PROGRAM!

>>131289183

>He wasn't wrong.

Yes he was. Marx's whole theory hinges around the assumption that there are only 2 classes: oppressor and oppressed.

This leaves no room for the reality of a middle class, or tiers of classes.

While emotionally appealing, this argument is false.

It appeals to people's inherent sense of rationalization (emotions) instead of representing reality -- more than 1 class does in fact, exist.

>>131289183
You believe marx wasn’t wrong...... Yet id bet you believe human caused climate change is real.... I bet you believe in 32 flavors... I mean genders.

>>131289183

>"Democracy is the only road to Socialism"

Not stabbing him immediatly, Anon pls

>>131297784
My eyes teared up watching this. Isn't this video reason enough to embrace eugenics? Why must these parents suffer this? Why does this child deserve this? For at least the last 100 years we've known how to stop this stupid unnecessary pain. If you have a heart in your chest, please support eugenics.

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>>131297480
the fuck am I looking at?

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>>131298188
i am for soft eugenics which prevents bullshit like i am posting from being born, out of empathy

>>131295348
The Scandinavian countries are (were) racially, culturally, and religiously homogeneous countries with low density population areas and good access to natural resources. This was their greatest boon in being successful and stable nations but now it's destined to come crumbling down as they allow hordes of low-iq parasites into their countries which bring with them completely incompatible political,cultural, and religious beliefs.

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>>131298472
i cant imagine the horrors

>>131297075
keep lying to yourself anon.

America is a plutocracy, corporatocracy, kakistocracy, kleptocracy, kratocracy and a oligarchy.

you only lie to yourself

>>131294735

>redpilled
>you are part of an islamic miltary order and set about destroying Christianity in every game

160 million dead over a period of 80 years.Enough said

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>>131298695
God is nowhere to be found in the modern world.

>>131289183
This is literally the exact opposite of what Marx said. Jewbiesoft neutered him.

>>131293449
#nottruesocialism

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>>131298935
HELP

>>131289183
Communism is a jewish and atheist ideology

>>131289183
>killing people and destroying property
That's exactly what marxists did...

>He wasn't wrong
>Wanted to give women rights

>>131297800
Not necessarily;
No one is saying take away the all wealth of the wealthy.and make them no longer compete.
What I am saying is that to not acknowledge that accumulation of wealth leads to an accumulation of power in society that is detrimental to the wider population should be obvious.

You promote wealth accumulation and capitalism with no recourse as a wholly natural way to harness human instinct but then you stop at acknowledging that a part of human instinct would be to use that large wealth to change the system to suit those who are wealthy from ever allowing anyone to compete fairly.

There is no firm line between an individual freedom to progress and social responsibility; but there has to be some accountability when one persons freedom denies another a right to an opportunity to live with some semblance of opportunity and dignity.

If say Usain Bolt ran against you he would win.
If he then fucked your leg up and prevented you from even training on the same turf, then that would be a grossly unfair abuse of his power.

Equality of opportunity is not the same as equality of outcome.
Wealth promoting wealth leads to ultimately an oligarchy or plutocracy forming that as that wealth must be prevented from using it's power to prevent anyone holding it accountable.

Don't believe me? See how wealth uses it's freedom to finance and lobby via the MSM and party donations, the laws that govern you.

Do you not see how democracy is deliberately hampered by the wealthy to keep them in power?
The solution is not marxism but ignoring that wealth isn't a corrosive element when left to do what it wants, is absolutely batshit denial of human nature you accuse the commies of having.

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>>131299088
God can be found behind the will of good men.
Good men should not let these things happen.

>>131299057

#notruescottsmanfallacy

>>131297480
>Liberal mom makes scrambled eggs

>>131298686
Thanks.
The immigration policy was not conducive to Social Democracy; It's a neo-liberal policy.

>>131289183
*wasn't* past tense; His ideology was relavent in the 1800s......not now.

>>131290625
>If you're an atheist
Wot?
How does having a belief in god affect someone's economic views?

>While I am just fine and enjoy my work.
Had it not been for the stigma of being a gambler, gamblers would enjoy what they do as well.

I'm not a marxist, first of all. I'm an anarcho primitivist; I think the whole system should be taken down.

When you work for your boss, you're working that he benefits you greater than you have to benefit him; likewise, he wants to benefit from you more than you benefit from him. That's how trade essentially works; the transaction is of greater individual benefit than charity or the received item itself.

The problem with this, is that someone's deficit leads to your benefit. If someone can benefit more by scamming people (high interest, debt, planned obsolescence, fake food, cheap unhealthy preservatives), then it will happen. But this isn't just for cheap products (which could benefit everyone), this is also for cheap labor. Everyone has to live in deficit to keep the system running; even socialists and communists do this.

>>131289183
Because it's a fucking cancer.
It's bad enough that capitalism has torn down all the borders and walls and tried to globalize the world; now we got Marxists who want to enforce that everyone love eachother, that we abandon the only feasible way to live in the liberal shit hole, capitalism.

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>>131299088
>Totalrecall.gif

>>131299717

kek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_xSfsnPI1U

>>131293981
this hurts more than i thought it would, like old maxis, westwood,and bullfrog before ea

>>131299057
>#nottruesocialism
That should be the modern name of the fallacy since we hear that much more than Scotsman.

Marx was wrong, but it wasn't his fault. Anthropologists found burials where a commoner was left with their possessions, thus proving that a sense of private property has always existed.

>>131292493
There are jews everywhere. A rootless intertional clique with no singular goal other than money and power. They achieve these means with capitalism or communism. As long as their role as subversives are kept hidden from public knowledge then they will get away with every scheme they can muster.

>>131299362
Explain to me in what areas people are denied equality of opportunity by law. And if not by law, then by what powers and how would you propose to correct this issue. Bonus if you can do it without inadvertently (or purposely) punishing the successful for being successful.

There are more self-made billionaires in the last thirty years than ever before. All data pertaining to intergenerational income mobility shows everyone drifts towards the center. Those born to the poor tend to become richer, those that are born rich tend to become poorer. Inherited wealth is a long dying trend and people have more opportunity to succeed now then at any other point of history.

>>131289183
The problem is that Marx preached anti industrialism alongside anti capitalism. Problem is that any non industrial nation today eould just get invaded by all of its neighbors and no one would care. It's just impossible.

>>131299378
Stupid redditcuck

>>131299683
>Wot?
>How does having a belief in god affect someone's economic views?
Marx was convinced that someone who is employed by someone else is being oppressed big time.
Marx also thought that a religious Person who believes in the afterlife is purposefully ignorant of his percieved unfairness that is going on in the world just so he can enter paradise in the next

>>131293658
Source, is there a documentary that that webm is apart of?

>>131293449
That's Lenin

>>131300911

lel. Not at all. Looks like I hit the nail on the head.

>>131293658
Why they keep feeding him?

>>131289183

BTFO

>>131289183
What I got from visiting Marxist society in my uni, is that he was high on some things and wrong on another.

>>131289183
> guns, pistols
> tfw england was a free place once

>>131293658
Are there such videos without blur?

>>131293864

Haven't played it either, so for all I know the game could literally have machinegun pistols.

But what it probably means is "automatic loading" or "self loading" pistol, what we'd today call a Semi-Automatic weapon

>>131301041
It doesn't mean that atheism leads to socialism. if anything, an atheist is unbiased in the whole matter.

>>131298188

>this is so sad I literally want to kill it

>>131301267
Which literally preached marx's words.

>>131302769
>But what it probably means is "automatic loading" or "self loading" pistol, what we'd today call a Semi-Automatic weapon
I'm assuming that too. It's about 30 years to early for those.

>>131302205
>kek faggot flag
>pretends to not be reddit
Shoo summer shoo

All the most jewish countries are earth have been capitalist

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>>131291857
>Marx didn't advocate violence.
What is revolution without violence? Why has EVERY marxist state ended up killing large swathes of it's population? How can anyone be as autistic as you? If this was a litmus test for retardation blind people could still tell you were the one sperg to rule them all.

>>131296728
https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-tax-returns-show-he-did-not-avoid-taxes-20170314-story,amp.html

>But Trump doesn't pay taxes

>>131301041
>Marx was convinced that someone who is employed by someone else is being oppressed big time
he didnt just believe it, he showed it by pointing out the [future] labour commanding power of capital.
capitalism is exploitative, and successful capitalists know it

>>131289183
Max was terribly wrong.

>>131289183
Black flag is the last good AC game.