Why arent you off the meat jew yet, pol?

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>>131285373
Because Germanic people have eaten it since the before the Bronze age, pork especially.

>>131285373
Because I need it to not go insane.

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>>131285373
I'm vegan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rNY7xKyGCQ

>>131285535
Yes that's why the cholesterol in meat/animal products gives us heart disease etc. ...

>>131285938

Being fat gives you heart problems, retard.

>>131285535
Sparingly, though. People living on sustenance agriculture don't eat meat daily. More like once a week, if that. It's hard to grow animals as fast as you can eat them in a non-industrialised environment.

>>131285938
You don't seriously think dietary cholesterol goes straight into your blood, do you? Obesity is the main problem, but blame shifts around from food to food, never the people.

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>>131285373
I don't. After reading the essene gospel of peace I decided to surrender and fast from animal products. Unless I need to hunt to survive in a big happening, I choose not to eat the blood of my brothers. I see the divine spirit in the eyes of an eagle, a wolf, and a deer.

Funny enough, I thought i'd become a weak faggot but I've actually made the most gains in the past 6 months or so when I gave up consuming blood and milk. My poops are smoother too, and my sweat and semen have a fruity odor.

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>>131285373
Because I am a carnivore.

>>131285535
So you are raising your own cattle in your backyard and not buying cheap discounter filth?

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I am ok with dying a bit early if I can eat meat products. Why does this matter to you?

Why don't you go attack smokers or the obese? Do we just not enjoy anything in life because it might cut our lives marginally shorter?

Might as well not drive a car or even go outside. What about being an asshole or being an overly stressful person? Stress will kill you faster than a meatloaf.

>>131285373

we're not closet faggots.

>>131286524
Well living in Sweden you can get freshly hunted meat anywhere really, outside the cities of course.

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>>131286484
try again, shlomo.

>>131286524

I live in rural Minnesota. I legitimately get fresh meat from the butcher and go hunting every fall.

The only shit processed meat I get is when we go out to dinner which is once a month max.

Not everyone lives in a metro and lives off meat sludge.

I wish i could taste human meat though

Fuck off with this idiotic thread

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>>131286438
>sweat and semen fruity odor.
Please tell us how your not chrischan tier fuckup who eats his own cum.

>>131286910
>implying jews arent putting goy meat in all of the ground "beef" you buy
dumb goy

I survive entirely on meat and beer. I'm in better shape than any of y'all and can run a 5k in less than 15 minutes.

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Post it to every thread

>>131286356
The "natural" diet of humans is to eat meat almost exclusively, grains almost never and whatever ruffage, fruit and tubars we could find.
Subsistence farmers were typically malnourished precisely because they farmed and had to resort to consuming vast amounts of dairy, especially butter, to get enough protein and calories into their diet.

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>>131285373
Fuck you ,your disgueting diet and that fucking flag

>>131285535
they also had active lifestyles and didnt eat the processed shit that we put in our mouths today

>>131286227
>>131286426
>Why do we need to lower our cholesterol? Because high levels may raise heart disease risk, the number one cause of death in the U.S. Higher buildup of cholesterol in our blood appears to be linked to higher atherosclerosis in our coronary arteries. Cholesterol crystallization may be what causes atherosclerotic plaque rupture, the trigger for heart attacks. Regardless of total cholesterol level, LDL (low-density lipoprotein or “bad” cholesterol may be a risk factor for heart attacks.
>Data suggests that cholesterol levels can never be too low. The average U.S. blood cholesterol level is so high that a large part of the “normal population” is at high risk of coronary heart disease. The safe level for total cholesterol is likely 150 or lower; the optimal LDL level may be 50-70.

The science disagrees with you and yes dietary sources leads to higher blood levels of cholesterol.

https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/cholesterol/

WHO also says that red meat and processed meat increases the risk for cancer a lot.

http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

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>>131285373
>not realizing the meat jew is just a smaller portion of the food jew
>not transcending sustainance and living off of cosmic energy
>spending hundreds of shekels a month to line (((grocers'))) pockets
Stay cucked anon

>>131286795
> Humans have canine teeth
> We herbivores

k

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>>131286795
Gotta say never saw this, nice picture but is there another side to this? I am really curious now.

You guys will keep falling for the jew meat meme until you morons actually stop with the "lol fuck off fagget meat is manly" and give a least some tought about it.

Once i figued out that our meat is full of pus, illegal aggrotoxics, hormones, and even caustic soda, i cut out a lot of meat in my diet.

And my coutry export meat to the whole europe and USA.

>>131287935
Humans can't easily remove excess cholesterol and get heart disease etc. from meat.

>we are carnivores

>>131286438
Give it up long enough and you wont have the enzymes to digest it anymore

>>131287935
so do gorillaz

>>131285373
I need my gains, dyel

>>131286438
>Divine spirit
The eagle and the wolf wont give a shit about ripping apart the deer. Hell, the eagle will throw their siblings out of the nest with no remorse.

If they were divine, why would they behave like evil beasts?

The answer is they are not divine, they are automatons. We are 90% animal too, thats why we eat them.

I like meat and I don't have a desire to become really old. I just eat what I like to eat.

>>131288073

>other side

Humans can digest meat, fruit, and vegetables as well as dairy products (provided you aren't a shitskin). If we can digest it we can eat it.

OP is just a faggot.

>>131288078
I have been talking to a lot of vegans and they all have to take pills once in a while for something they are missing out (forgot what it was), because they don't eat meat. What do you say bout that? I know the animals are most likely given the pills too so the meat has more value etc, but still don't know what to take from this...

The problem isn't the meat, it's the quality and ease of access of it.

Okinawa population is one (was, thanks to globalism and shitty western food) of the healthiest population in the world, with people living above 105 years old considered almost "normal". And guess what ? They eat fish on a daily basis.

The problem is quality of the said food. Becoming vegan, if you don't live in the country and produce your own stuff, is a death sentence. Same way as eating meat on daily basis. Why ? GMO, pesticides, Mansanto etc.

>>131288368
>GMO, pesticides, Mansanto etc.

what the fuck do you think they feed the animals

>>131288078
Disgusting

>>131288481
Your point being ?

>>131288200
gorilla eat meat too

>>131286795
Coneniently misses out half the argument.

Can herbivores digest meat? No
We can
Can we digest plant material (leaves/grass)? No. Herbivores can.
Do we have eyes on the side of our head like herbivores or on the front like carnivores?
Do we have canine teeth? Yes

etc

>>131288560

gorillas sometimes cannibalize their own.

>>131288334
>If they were divine, why would they behave like evil beasts?
I take it your conception of "divine" is "giving lots of hugs and kisses and being really nice all the time."
Think bigger

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>>131285938
>he fell for the cholesterol meme

You do realize that dietary cholesterol has been proven to have little to no effect on the cholesterol levels in your blood, right anon?

>>131287457
And yet, modern people get old, they did not.

>>131288571

I must be a total retard because I never knew we had canines until I just googled it. I thought all our teeth in the front were essentially incisors but I guess we have separate canines as well.

Meat confirmed for human diet. I never really cared because I would still eat meat if I had to fucking gum it.

>>131287652
Because most Americans are overweight. It is virtually always an issue with overeating.

>>131285373
Because vegetarians and vegans are cucks of the highest order.

>>131285373
Yes, deplete your body of protein, B12, and long chain fatty acids like a good goy

>>131285373
Because I have never seen a healthy, masculine vegan man in my life.

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>>131285373

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>>131287652
>Eggs may be one of the top sources of cholesterol, with just half an egg going over the safety limit.
Stopped reading right there. Do not listen to this misinformed vegan cuck

>>131288929
>protein
I'm not even going to answer that.
>b12
Supplements are cheap.
>Long Chain Fatty Acids
What is Flaxseed and Algae OMEGA 3 Supplements?

>>131289152
>my diet isn't insufficient in nutrients, that's why I have to supplement everything
Congratulations, you played yourself

>>131288796
Can't you just look in a mirror? You never noticed the curved teeth that transition into your molars? Third tooth from the middle is noticeably thicker, pointed, and curved compared to your incisors. Run your tongue along the backs of your teeth, you can feel the second row of points rise up as it transitions.

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I have a friend who claims to have an allergy for meat.. He never eats it because according to him it makes him extremely ill.. anyone ever heard of that before ?

>>131285373
Humans have been eating meat for as long as they have existed.

Faggot betas on pol will try to convince you that we shouldn't be eating meat.

I say, go eat their woman out and then BBQ their pets for lunch.

>>131289287

Absolutely. I just never knew they were referred to as canines in humans.

>>131289152
Yes, be a good goy and eat soy, don't care about raising your estrogenic levels!

>>131289376

Food allergies? Yes. Your friend should be gassed so he doesn't procreate. Should probably castrate people who are lactose intolerant as well.

>>131289569
he eats everything even eggs... but meat is a big no no... you cannot even cut your own meat and then use it on his plate because it would contaminate his food with meat..

you can't imagine the dramas you get at a restaurant with that..

sufficient to say he is not my friend anymore.

>>131286795
>alkaline urine
As a Medical Technologist I can definitely say that >90% of urines I've done through my career are acidic, not alkaline.

>>131289376

Yes. Some ticks give you red meat allergies.

But I am a vegan. Best change to my life so far.

>>131285373
I love meat, have you ever ate a sea bear before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shrcT1EN4Sc&t=261s

>>131287106
No you can't faggot

>>131290124
I ate crocodile meat before.

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>>131288359
Dont go into the vegan shit anon, they're all about ideology. Dont cut meat, just dont go eating this shit everyday. Plus dont eat only red meat, try the other nom fucked up ones (buying frsh fish is a good thin cuz they're all fresh from the ocean).

Think about your diet, if you spent the whole week and all you ate is red meat you are doing it wrong. And specially, if you eat meat everyday.

About the capsules, im vegetarian and i take it. I dont recomend it, its not a natural way to get shit assimilated into you, so, its not guaranted to work on everyone. You can underassimilate shit you take from it, or it can fuck up your liver/stomach/esophagus with a bomb of crude vitamins. It can be a big deal, but it can't as well. Dont go for ideology, give a deep tough about your diet.

Pro tip: Learn how to cook, you will stop getting craving from meat, and get cravings from Pasta Al Nero that has that personal flavor that only you, the anon, knows how to do it.

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>>131290198

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>>131288662
Well if you are a satan worshiper then that might be divine for you.

>>131289376
Many vegans claim this. Their problem is in their digestive enzymes. If you stop eating meat long enough then your body will stop producing the enzyme for digesting meat. You have to eat meat again for your body to start that back up. They literally retard their own bodies then complain about it. They're faggot niggers anyways.

>>131290478

It is the same with lactose as well. Not eating dairy and suddenly eating a plate of nachos is going to fucking wreck you.

>>131288780
thanks antibiotics

>>131290272
Pardon the typos, im typing in the dark.

>>131285373
you should tell your mom to get off my meat you jew. kek nice death rune faggot

>>131287652
>It's all in the food! Totally not because you're a fat fuck with no self control.

>>131290322
Checked. Cooked reptiles are really tasty looking.

>>131287652
your writings gives people cancer too.

>>131288571
>humans can't digest salads
>fruit eating monkeys don't have eyes on the front despite
>gorillas don't have canine teeth despite eating almost exclusively plants

>>131291660
Put your flag back on, Pajit.

>>131286795
Never seen such innacurate facts in one meme before

I was vegetarian for 15 years.
Started getting /fit/ and eating enough protein became progressively more difficult. 2-3 scoops of plain Greek yogurt each day, lots of milk, beans and grains like quinoa.
Still wasn't getting enough protein, I had to graze like a cow to get enough and then I'd have horrible heartburn from the overabundant fiber.
Eat eggs every day and meat almost every day now and feel so much better (usually not red meat, mainly fish, turkey and chicken).
You're benefitting from factory farming most likely even as a vegan. The difference is now i don't have to make myself sick on low protein density meat replacements, eat disgusting fake meat or take artificial b12 supplements when i don't forget so i don't get dementia at an early age.
Humans are supposed to eat meat

>>131292369
>turkey and chicken
"poultry"

>>131292369
>quinoa

kek that is just a hipster marketing gimmick.. Initially it was sold in pet stores as bird feed, but as cheaper alternative bird feed entered the market, the quinoa producers were forces to do something.

they came up with the idea as promotion it as a new superfood for humans.

>>131286795
Literally all apes (and most monkeys) eat insects, something conveniently left out of this faggot graph. Many apes will eat fish when given the opportunity as well. Shit, fucking chimps are cannibals and will eat rival groups.

>>131286426
>>131288735
>>131289144
No sources, typical. Multiple studies have linked dietary cholesterol to increased bad cholesterol in the blood stream.

>Effects of dietary cholesterol on serum cholesterol: a meta-analysis and review.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1534437

>Egg yolk consumption, smoking and carotid plaque: Reply to letters to the Editor by Sean Lucan and T Dylan Olver et al.
http://www.atherosclerosis-journal.com/article/S0021-9150(12)00788-5/abstract

>Effects of dietary cholesterol and fat saturation on plasma lipoproteins in an ethnically diverse population of healthy young men.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC295526/

>Effects of increasing amounts of dietary cholesterol on postprandial lipemia and lipoproteins in human subjects.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7868978

>Atherogenesis: a postprandial phenomenon.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/222498

Atherosclerosis is caused by inflammation of the arteries. Sugar causes inflammation of the arteries.

Grains are the real Jew, not meat.

>>131286356
>what is hunting
>what is fishing
>what is livestock
>what is chicken
There's a reason why Vikings were searching for agricurtural lands and settled in England.
The Agriculture here was shit.

>>131293637
Yes, something they gave up on just a couple of years ago. We were all taught this information before. Anyone caught referring to eggs as a cause of high cholesterol is using outdated information. It was a health scare used to justify the rates of obesity-related diseases, nothing more.

>>131286356
False.

>>131289144
This
Faggots dont know power of eggs.
Eggs are the food of gods!
I eat 5 eggs each morning
I eat 5 eggs with chicken and a bunch of veggies for lunch.
Before i go to sleep i always eat 1 egg sandwich with 2 fried eggs.
I've spent so much money on eggs but it is so worth it.

>>131285373
Why are you on the vegan Jew faggot? You know all those fake meat products are made by Jews for gullible goyim

>>131289376
>I have a friend who claims to have an allergy for meat

its called Chrones disease.

>>131288780
And we could live even longer if we ate healthier.

>>131293637
>Clin Nutr. 1992 Jun
>citing 25 year old sources in a field that changes monthly if not daily

>>131285373
Because im not a b12 deficient retarded faggot.

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>>131285373
why have you not noticed that vegans all have crazy eyes and overly effiminate bodies? animal protein/fat is needed for a healthy brain, deprive yourself and suffer the cognitive consequences you hippy fag

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>>131285373
Grandfather eats steak and potatoes everyday... Still living I his late 80's....

>>131288571

>Can herbivores digest meat? No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnYNmGMsU18

>>131288571
Herbivores can digest meat, and do eat meat. Feel free to look it up. There are 0 obligate herbivores on the planet. Humans are facultative carnivores.

Herbivores are terrible hunters and can digest grasses and cellulose, which we can't as we don't have that sort of cecum, and we don't eat our own poop.


>>131288073
Frugivore means something that eats meat but can't digest seeds. Good mammal examples are the maned wolf, fruit bat, or orangutan. Orangutans eat about 70% fruit, and the rest is meat and rocks (yes, they eat rocks for minerals).

>>131287935
Being an omnivore is simply being able to digest a variety of nutritional substances. Meat, fruit, grain, veggies, seeds... Instead of taking one of those out based on (((feelings)))

>>131285373
Should you be telling us not to eat leafs, Leaf?

When i doubt look at the past.

Humans were omnivores. Human are omnivores. We just lost our sense of moderation and most importantly proximity to nature.

Bad quality, artificial and mass produced products, harmful chemicals are killing us. Nothing else.

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>>131287935
Human canine teeth are a joke. Try and rip into a cows carcass and see how far you get. Now watch a lion rip into a carcass.

Human teeth, like gorillas and other herbivores, are designed to rip into fibrous plant material.

>>131288368
>They eat fish on a daily basis.
The Okinawans ate very small amounts of fish and pork was eaten on holidays only. The argument is not that meat is bad, but meat in large amounts is.

>>131288571
>Can we digest plant material (leaves/grass)? no
Humans absolutely can digest grass, although there is little nutrition to be gained because we dont have four stomachs. We can easily digest other sources of plant material.

>Do we have canine teeth? Yes
Look at my comment to the other guy about human canines.

>>131289003
http://www.greatveganathletes.com/bodybuilders

>>131289275
Meat has little to know nutrition. Plant based foods are filled with mircro nutrients. Have you ever taken a nutrition class at all?

>>131288929
Protein is found abundantly in legumes, grains, nuts, and seeds.

Vitamin B12 is naturally created by microorganisms in soil. Animals eat the soil, and get the B12.

Factory raised animals do not get B12, so they are given supplements, the same kind you can find in a grocery store.

Meat provides almost no good fats. Nuts and seeds do. Fish does but contains massive amounts of Mercury and other pollutants.

>>131292713
Quinoa has been grown for human consumption for at least 4000 years in South America.

>>131296457
>Meat has little to know nutrition.
Fucking kek. This guy can't be serious.

>>131288780
And it has nothing to do with diet.

>>131285373
already off, can't eat animals that are conscious

>>131285373
Because I'm a butcher and deal with everything by my own hand. I know what I'm eating, and I know I don't give myself shitty bits.

>>131296815
You don't know where the animal is coming from nor what was it's diet or drugs used on it.

>>131296942
Actually, I do. I've been to the farms as well as the slaughterhouse.

>>131290423
>christianity is peace & love :) Jesus was the greatest communist!

>>131296457
B12 in its natural form is still an evolutionary trait that humans have evolved on. the fact that industry grown meat is also given supplements isnt an argument against meat. its an argument against how we grow our meat.

Veganism is a religion plain and simple. if you want to be a natural human that obey natures laws eating meat is as natural as you can get.

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why are these so good /pol/?

>>131285938
>muh vegan g-gains
0/10 try harder

>>131285373

Been murder free for 6 months already you fucking fag

>>131296942
Considering you guys have a legal requirement for total tractability in Europe he really ought to know.

I'm a charcutier and I've visited each of the farms we source from. I can tell by looking at a piece of meat how an animal was treated during it's life.

Only highly processed things like hot dogs and chicken nuggets can use mistreated meat.
Never mind that I don't want to, but an animal that was stressed has elevated levels of citric acid in its flesh and isn't worth cooking, and can't be used to make salami, sausage, or anything tasty

>>131287652
Meat is only 1/4 the risk increase of air pollution.

You ought to stop breathing, y'know for your health

>>131297188

I am "vegan" but i fucking hate other vegans. They are always triggered about shit like animal rights and spiritualism, and i don't really give a fuck. I am vegan to have a strong, healthy and fit body. That's ALL

>>131297399
>The leaf understands Euro law better than the fucking medpack
You sir, are very much in my good books. Glad to see another person with some sense and knowledge on the matter. And I'm also glad you knew about the stress thing. Most people don't know that.
Hell, I'd heard about it briefly before my slaughterhouse tour, but seeing the pigs playing around with their footballs was very cute to be honest. And then there was the one fat pig just sitting under the sprinkler.
Anything to help them calm down.

>>131286795
This, although is it ok to eat meat so long as you limit your meat intake.

>>131285373
Why are you on the vegan Jew faggot? You know all those fake meat products are made by Jews for gullible goyim

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>>131285373
The fact of the matter is that we aren't suited to eat the amount of meat we do today in America. Meat in itself isn't the problem, it's the lack of ability of burgers to understand moderation.

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>>131285373
it isn't actually bad to eat meat in of itself, morally you may have an issue with it because you are a vegan.

its true animal slaughterhouses are excessively cruel often under the guises of fake green principles too of raising chickens per square foot and so on.

carnivores exist and eat meat and it is fine for them as animals.

The reason why insects are being pushed as an alternative is:

1. it is against levitiicus and no jew or muslim would eat insects, so its for you dirty goys only.

2.the accumaltive poisons accumalte alot faster in smaller animals than larger ones, look at DDT and bald eagles.

3. even if you are not religious, these small dirty creatures which are eaten by animals that can digest them are far more dirty and get far more parasites if humans eat them it is a health risk.

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>>131297306
murder free hunh? if you pay taxes you are supporting murder, better start living off the grid.
not to mention all those innocent plants you murdered for your own selfish use.
Im sorry but you CANNOT live in modern society without killing things or supporting killing in some indirect way.
i bet most of you vegan fags are ok with abortion too lel

>>131285938
and just ignore the evolution of multiple dogs that aided in our gathering/moving of meat

>>131287378
This

>>131297756
Right on, and thats fair enough. if being vegan is a chosen life style led by example then thats how others can respect and possibly follow it.

but when these fucking pyscho vegans spouting how animals are equal to humans and force their beliefs onto others 5 times worse than a muslim, it makes me want to eat a baby cow while its still breathing.

You its know that 80% of vegans are women right? You know why? Because women are stupid and gullible. Any man that refuses to eat meat is an idiot or a fucking faggot

>>131288345
>I don't have a desire to become really old
Having a child will change your mind.

>>131295212
My grandma smokes and is over 90, does that mean that smoking is healthy?

>>131285535
They have been doing it for a long time, therefore it must be a good thing. Stellar logic, sir

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>>131285373
because meat is important, its essential to us, presented in the latest slaughterhouse of vegetarians pastebin

https://pastebin.com/BA4X8vtz

>>131298230
We used dogs to hunt, so meat must be good for us. Amazing feat of reasoning, sir

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>>131287378
you can't be this dumb

look at our teeth

Being White means being vegan under today's circumstances. Everything else is subhuman and undignified.

>>131287378
Enjoy your heart disease and limp dick

>>131285373
Because we haven't perfected vegan food yet. When we start making vegan food that taste better than animal based foods people will be falling over themselves to eat it. Mark my words.

>>131298123
>it is against levitiicus and no jew or muslim would eat insects, so its for you dirty goys only
If jews and muslims aren't allowed to do something, I'll take great pleasure in doing it myself.
>the accumaltive poisons accumalte alot faster in smaller animals than larger ones
Speudo-science
> even if you are not religious, these small dirty creatures which are eaten by animals that can digest them are far more dirty and get far more parasites if humans eat them it is a health risk
Don't eat them raw then.

>>131298065
How much meat is too much meat according to your pet theory?

>>131300266
Pseudo*

>be atheist
>need secular religion to fill gaping void in life
>become communist or vegan
>read communist or vegan holy texts
>spend all day posting on forums convincing people to become communist or vegan, and editing wikipedia articles to say that humans are frugivores or capitalism kills more than communism

>>131285373
Here's the deal:
Eat lots of calories burn them.
You are lazy and don't do a lot DON'T EAT SO MUCH, YOU FUCKING GLUTINOUS, GREEDY MORONIC PIG!

DON'T EAT SO MUUUCH!

That's all the diet you need.

>>131285373
>Why arent you off the meat jew yet, pol?

I evolved to be omnivorous. My incisors and digestive system were favored by millions of years of natural selection.

Vegans are either liberals or just nut cases. They cannot be argued with but they can be killed on the day of the rope. Man is an apex predator designed to run down delicious prey, kill it, tear it apart and feast like a lion or cheetah or a shark.

The beauty of predation is sanctified by millions of years of success. Anyone advocating lesser diets is the real Jew. Man should relish killing and eating meat, as he should relish shooting the Jew.

>>131300311
Reeeeeeeeeeeead my pastebin, it has everything, and yea that dude is right, too much meat, BUT ALSO NO EXERCISE is going to be lethal.

>>131299691

but 200 grams of meat, if it isnt processed (as conservatives are cancer causing) is usually going to be okay.

So the ones who go extreme on fruits and veggies are wrong, but also the ones who only eat meat.

We are omnivores, and therefore we eat like them.

>>131300490
this

>>131300490
Veganism is simply the extension of NAP to all sentient life.

>>131285373

Am I the only one that thinks OP's pic looks fucking delicious?

>>131300875
I'm sure there are others, mental illness isn't that rare

>>131300852

it's a cognitive distortion (i.e., rationalization, mental gymnastics) about what diet 'should' be based on (moral imperative-- i.e., a judgement) rather than understanding what our bodies are actually organized around. The truth is hard for vegans to swallow. Vegans prefer to live in fantasy and moral superiority rather than dealing with the brutal reality of nature.

TLDR: its prescription instead of accurate understanding of reality.

>>131300689
>Man is an apex predator designed to run down delicious prey, kill it, tear it apart and feast like a lion or cheetah or a shark
And yet you would never be able to eat a squirrel alive, and if you did it would make you sick.
It's time to grow out of your edgy predator fantasy, you're not a wolf.

>>131300852
Even chimps eat meat.
The thing is they don't eat A LOT OF MEAT!
Boars eat meat, mice eat meat etc etc.

DON'T EAT TOO MUCH OF EAT AND YOU'RE FINE!

>>131300852

and the NAP is an ideal to be upheld inside of our artificial construct called a society. Nature itself DGAF about the NAP, it just eats itself endlessly. Sorry, bruh. It's true.

NAP is great, but only woks in the realm of politics and the state. It has nothing to do with natural law.

>>131300134
what? heart disease okay but limp dick?

The cause of limp dick is usually low testosterone. Eating meat regularly and lifting heavy things will solve that particular issue. You can also do some high intensity cardio a couple of days a week and get more benefit to cardiovascular health than cutting meat completely. People just don't like all that exertion even though it's worth it health wise.

>>131301483

dude, even chickens eat meat

>>131301590
>Eating meat regularly and lifting heavy things will solve that particular issue
Eating meat has the opposite effect.

>>131301278
You convinced me, morality is a cognitive distortion. I'm heading over to your house to eat you and your family.

>>131288073
Yes, humans can't digest cellulose.

>>131301483
>DON'T EAT TOO MUCH OF EAT AND YOU'RE FINE!
What about the animals I'm eating? Are they going to be fine, too?

>>131286426
it's transfats that you see deposited on the inside of arteries. The stuff is like gelatin at body temp compared to animal fats or oils. a 2% increase in transfats = 50% increase of risk of heart disease

>>131301688
This doesn't make sense to me. Lifting weights obviously boosts your testosterone. How are you supposed to gain muscle without consuming protein? Non-meat protein sources are notoriously more difficult to use for adequate nutrition, which is exactly why vegetarianism takes a lot more planning, knowledge and diet management than just eating meat.

Anyway, not sure about "consuming meat lowers your testosterone." Is there some reputable study that claimed this?

>>131285373
If anything eating eat is the anti- jew, atleast anti-biotic, free range meat.

There are proven pluses and negative to both, having diets with or without meat, it depends on what you want to accomplish.

Though more vegans have lower BMIs, they are more prone to mental illnesses and get sickly in other ways that make vegans seek medical attention more often than healthy meat-eaters.

I choose meat. Vegans are modern day satanic witches. If you see an animal on the same level, or equal to a human...you are unholy.

>>131301862
Fuck those animals and fuck your sweet mother right in the cunt you faggot!

>>131286795
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpYViR9MqrU

>B-but monkeys are peaceful loving creatures!!!

our closest ancestor eats mean regularly, infact it's a favourite.

>>131302111
*meat

>>131301572
>natural law
kek

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>>131285938
>The average population eats meat.
>The average vegan population are more concerned about their health than the average population.
I'm unsurprised that vegans are more healthy. it has nothing to do with a vegan diet; it's the lifestyle. How many vegans do you know that eat greasy fake-cheesey nachos on a daily?

You could go on a keto-diet for example, a high fat, low carb, diet, and be healthy; in fact, it's recommended for a lot of diabetics; they eat lots of meats, no fruits, lots of greens, no grains, and they are fine.

>>131286795
>This fucking bullshit

Do you know how long we've been evolving separately from animals like cats and dogs? 80-100 million years... We will never share the same teeth as a cat or dog, regardless of diet. We're forever removed from that branch of mammals.
We have more in common a Tarsier (A primate that eats only meat) than a giraffe. Giraffes are more related to lions than they are to you and me. Look at my picture. You know what that is? A frugivore? no; it's a Tarsier; as I said, it eats no plants whatsoever. ..
And chimps eat monkeys, believe it or not; they hunt just like we do. Given that we diverged from our chimp cousins 6 million years ago, we've been hunting for at least 6 million years, which means that humanity was born a hunter.

You cannot compare animals that have evolved separately since before the dinosaurs even went extinct.. That's so fucking biased, it's unbelievable.

Goddamit you guys are so fucking stupid.

>>131299576

It's called genetic adaptation. Human lifestyles have improved at a very accelerated pace, our bodies still have genetic adaptions towards diet that don't necessarily give us an advantage in modern society, which has developed a lot faster than genetic drift can occur.

If you are European, biologically you are adapted to consuming large amounts of dairy and meat. If you wish to be Vegan, your body is not going to be well adapted to that diet, and you will probably lose muscle mass and feel fatigued more often.

>>131287378
>The "natural" diet of humans is to eat meat almost exclusively,
If you're an eskimo, maybe. Most hunter-gatherer populations got most of their calories from foraging.

>>131302126
I see that you've reached the end of your argument

>>131302145
meat

>>131298784
>80%

nice source there senpai

>>131301590
Enjoy your clogged arteries. In your dick.

>>131296457
>Human canine teeth are a joke. Try and rip into a cows carcass and see how far you get. Now watch a lion rip into a carcass.

Yeah dude cause my bite has the force and size of a fucking lion's maw, are you seriously this retarded?

>>131301862
Why do animals matter but not plants, fungi, bacteria?
Stop being kingdomist.

>>131302422

VEGAN DETECTED

>>131302192
Though I still attest to what I wrote here: >>131302186 , I have to agree with you. Our ancestors ate a lot of fiber. We foraged a lot.

>>131302188
I agree with your second point.
I tried going vegan; and while being one of many vegans in the group, I was not the only person who felt fatigued all the time. It was that hit of dopamine I got from the glucose in all the carb-rich foods that really kept me going. I don't think I could survive on a vegan diet if I was a wild human, for the most part because a vegan diet needs a lot of supplementation.

>>131302188
I have been vegan since birth. Competitive athlete for the past 25 years. 6'2 195lbs. I must be malnourished, I guess I better drink the pus filled discharge from a cows tits. Surely that's the magical fix to all my problems

>>131302094
>Non-meat protein sources are notoriously more difficult to use for adequate nutrition
But also easier to digest, can be eaten in greater quantities without iincreasing your chances to get cancer and osteoporosis.
>Anyway, not sure about "consuming meat lowers your testosterone." Is there some reputable study that claimed this?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3834504/

>>131285373

so would vegans eat synthetic meat?

like no animal were harm during the process of preparing it

>>131302911

I love this question

Lets get some context here before I go into my actual comment. I'm 23 now. At the time of the comment I'm going to make, I was 13.

So, here begins the comment. When I was young I used to play WoW and I had a few friends who were older than me. I was told if you ate steak every day of your life you'll die young (50s?) and have arteries like in OP's picture. Well one friend who was 28 was of the opinion that he would rather eat steaks every day of his life and die young then prevent himself from having those delicious steaks. I was young at the time so I had no clear vision on how this could even be a possibly good thing.

And then I went to Outback Steakhouse.

>>131302810
You felt fatigued because you didn't eat enough. I hear this complaint often from new vegans, and it's fixed 100% of the time by increasing calories.

You have to get used to eating a larger volume of food because of lower caloric density.

>>131302905
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3834504/

Wrong link? Or did you just search for "meat hormone" and pick the first one you saw?

>>131286426
>>131288735
you're stupid

>>131286356
One pig or cow could provide for the family daily meals for about 3 months through sausages, dried pieces and so on

>>131285938
sweden YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>131302911
Depends on the reason they're vegan. The ones who do it for health reasons wouldn't, but the ones who do it for ethical reasons might if they enjoy the taste of meat.

>>131302718
Plants fungi and bacteria are not sentient. They can't feel pain of suffering.

>>131303194
Theoretically, but it's expensive and a lot of work not to let it spoil.

Most traditional agricultural societies do not eat meat daily. It's simply not an efficient way to feed yourself.

>>131302911
I would try it for sure. It's not hurting anyone (but myself)

>>131285938
Good, we wouldn't want to have too much testosterone when Mahmoud grabs your girlfriend's ass, you might commit a hate crime.

>>131285373
>posting a pic of Moldilock's vagina
You degenerate fuck.

>>131287652
>(((scientists)))
>not being paid by the sugar/grain oligarchy

>>131285373
>THE CHEWY JEW

cooking up a pot of beans right now

14Vegans88

>>131303373
Whether or not something feels pain is irrelevant.
If you base your ethical standpoint on the principle "causing pain is wrong" you are basing your beliefs on a Hedonistic foundation.
In an Aristotlean/Platonic sense of morality, Plants can be harmed as much as Animals, because pain is not what matters. In fact, pain is sometimes necessary to achieve eudaimonia (no pain, no game).
That is not to say, eating an animal definitely harms an animal, but in no different of a way than eating a plant harms a plant.

>>131286438
>I decided to surrender and fast from animal products

Except when you suck on your dad's dick you think.

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>stop eating meat

>>131289275
There isn't anything wrong with supplementing your diet. B12 used to be available in water sources due to bacteria, but now all water sources are sanitized (which is good), but its proof that b12 could be naturally obtained by vegans. And eating flax isn't supplementation. It's a food that you eat just like you would eat meat. I'm a meateater and I don't feel the need to ridiculously attack veganism

>>131289497
You can be vegan and never eat soy

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>>131285373
I already am. Consuming rotting animal carcasses weakens you, literally. You have such astronomically higher odds of all types of cancers it's unreal. The saturated fat and cholesterol present in all animal protein fucks up your cardiovascular system too, which given time will cause erectile dysfunction. Just give up the meat jew; it's making you weak.

>>131303777
You would have no moral objection if I enslaved tortured and killed you and your family?

>>131304193
I would have a moral objection to that because you are harming a human.

>>131303156

subtle as fuck strawman, Senpai

>>131286795
Don't you think that dentition is adapted to the COOKED meals and THEY WAY YOU CATCH THE MEAL, ie carnivores catch their meal WITH THEIR TEETH.

>>131302810
>a vegan diet needs a lot of supplementation
I take 1 tiny pill per week as a supplement (B12). That's way less supplementation than what the average person takes.

>>131304193
It is clear that it is fundamentally part of human behavior, societal structure, and eudaimonia that harming other humans, in something other than self defense (and maybe offensive war) is ethically wrong.

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>>131302879
I've been a meat eater since birth. Competitive athlete for the past fifty years. 6'8 and 275lbs lean. Yeah, you are malnourished, not to mention a manlet

>>131304342
Why do you have a moral objection to harming a human, but not an animal? What is the trait that is absent in animals, which if absent in humans, would justify harming humans?

>>131303777
So I can torture you and it will be no different than tearing petals from a blossom?
Consciousness matters. It's less harmful to kill a plant than a bug. It's less harmful to kill a bug than a dog. It's less harmful to kill a dog than a man. That's not hedonism, but a reason.

>>131285373
Been vegan for 3 years. Hail victory.

>>131304508
Saying "it is clear" is, you know, not an argument

>>131304584
This isn't relevant to the discussion. Read what I replied to

>>131294471
That's not even a dollar's worth of eggs per day

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>Not buying everything you need from the local farmer of trust, be it veggies, honey, diary or meat
>Not growing at least some of your stuff yourself, like herbs for valuable phytochemicals
Eat diverse and in moderation and most importantly eat local and you are good

>>131305008
Completely relevant, you developed into a sissy baby because you didn't eat meats whereas I developed into a superior human.

>>131303402
expensive in what? you just need the basics like how to geld, birth care, throwing some food
then some butchering and food preserving techniques
I have countryside parents that eat even the brain of the pig
only the bones are leftover

>>131302980
>>131302911
I would have no moral issue with it

I personally wouldn't be interested in it except for specialty meat like quahogs

the longer you go without meat, the more you realize how kind of gross it actually is

regardless of the ethics behind it, if I see a piece of raw meat especially one being cooked it makes me want to gag

>mediterranean diet is the best bet for longevity
>has lots of dietary fat from oil and other sources
explain this cholesterol fags?/?

i need to preserve my gains

>>131304730
>>131304866
Nicomachean ethics is fundamentally empirical by design. (Thus when I say "it is clear" I mean empirically obvious) When we observe human behavior, we notice that it is part of the "social contract" (as empically observed) that humans not harm people of their society. We also notice that the vast majority of humans eat meat (across cultures), indicating that eating meat is also a necessary custom of human eudaimonia.
Nicomachean ethics is also fundamentally an egoist ethical doctrine. This means if you were to break the above rules and kill and eat a human, you are fundamentally not only ruining another human's chances at eudaimonia, but also your own.
Nicomachean ethics is also only one approach to ethics. We could observe utilitarianism, deontology, or natural rights libertarianism.
Utilitarianism's position on eating animals is vague and depends on whether or not animals (or plants for that matter) can have utility (note: not pleasure or pain, but utility.
Deontology would approach the problem by looking at extremes. What would happen if everyone ate meat? Since this is already almost the case, naturally the deontologist would come to the conclusion that eating meat is fine. In fact, a deontologist might ask: what would happen if everyone didn't eat meat? And there would be potential consequences of this, such as prey populations going out of control, maybe convincing the deontologist that eating meat is actually ethically good.

>>131304584
Similar situation here although i'm only 195cm and 105kg.

>>131305686
What is the trait though

>>131305686
Natural rights libertarianism would take a humanistic perspective, understanding that humans have rights "endowed by the creator" (or perhaps nature if you take a Ayn Rand/Nicomachean bent to it). Violation of these rights is a violation of the NAP, and therefore subject to aggressive enforcement.
Animals are naturally not protected by these rights. That said, certain rights could be extended. However it is vague and could be argued from either side. For example, one might argue that the creator endowed Animals with some rights, but this does not include the right to not be eaten.

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>vegans

Is blood considered meat?

>>131305660
The mediterannean diet is not the healthiest in the world at all. They are in a blue zone, a region where they have much higher than normal life expectancy.
Why? They are HEALTHIER in comparission to other cultures that have even higher % of their kcals from fat. Basically, Meds are healthier despite the fact that they have a moderate amount of oil in their diet. They would be even healthier if they reduced it significantly. Just look at how many obese people you now see in Greece and Italy who still eat this standard Med diet.
The healthiest, longest living people in the world are the vegan seventh day Adventists in California. Their rate of heart disease is practically zero.
All processed oil is terrible for your arteries, period. You just have to look at the rate of heart disease in those regions for confirmation. High fat = shit heart health.

>>131289376

Yeah it's called being a faggot

>>131287818
underrated post

>>131298123

DDT also saves million of lives from disease.

kys

>>131285373
It tastes good anon, not even you can deny that

>>131306062
Before arguing against veganism, actually read what veganism is. You'll look less stupid

>Tfw bulking on steaks, feel strong as fuck and taking 10lbs shits

It's like your body on nitro

>>131304730
>>131304866
>>131305686
>>131305966
Each of these ethical approaches have flaws, but they are worlds ahead of achaic ethical doctrines such as hedonism (including variants of universalist hedonism that suggest causing pain is wrong)
One possible conclusion one might have here, is we have no idea what is ethical or not, which may or may not compel someone to adopt nihilism or existentialism.

>>131305660
Citation needed

>>131306779
Maybe point out some these so called flaws for us less intelligent folks.

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>>131306937
Here is the classic one.
Deontology vs. Utilitarianism
This is now a trolley problem meme thread

>>131289817
>Medical Technologist

Poo in loo

>>131305660
Not true.

>>131303522
Also not true. Read up it's actually the opposite.

>>131285938
>vegan
>swedish
checks out, faggot
saged

>>131287935
>Gorillas have huge canines
>Only eat plants

k

>>131308031
Not an argument faggot.

>>131288203
Google Conscious Muscle

Did the jew fairy sneak into all our bedrooms and implant jew fairy canine teeth in our goy gobs?

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An honest question I'd like to propose to any vegans or vegetarians that actually believe that humans are herbivores:

What do you think after you watch one of those survival shows? Every single show, from "Bear Grylls" to "Survival Man" to "Naked and Afraid", all of them at some point end up longing for protein. Every time, they'll get malnourished, and say out loud that the berries and plants they're eating aren't enough calories to fuel them, and they end up fishing/hunting/setting traps etc. Every. Single. Time.

Honestly, how long do you think you could survive in the wild without eating meat? Do you think that the forest looks like the fucking Whole Foods vegetable aisle? Like carrots, potatoes and grapes are just growing in abundance in the swamp, and you can just forage all day and ingest the 2,000-3,000 calories that you need daily to survive (probably more if you're in a survival situation). It's fucking impossible, and no one could ever survive like that. It's not natural for humans, because we're FUCKING OMNIVORES.

Veganism and vegetarianism is purely a first world, upper class way of life. You have the option, since any food is available to you. Our ancestors never had that option. Hell, even in other countries people will laugh and ask how you survive without eating meat, since they actually live in the conditions humans were intended to live. Our ancestors ate meat. Jesus Christ, they even painted pictures of themselves doing it on their cave walls. You think humans evolved the intelligence we have so we can pick fruit more efficiently?

Not to mention 90% of plants that grow in the wild will fucking kill you, so there's also that. Go ahead, take a little survival camping trip. See how many 5 calorie berries and 3 calorie leaves you can eat before you begin to starve and realize that you need to start hunting for food.

Fucking retards. Honestly, one of you respond, please. I want to know what the fuck you're thinking when it comes to this.

>>131285373
because I am a carnist, just like Gordon Ramsay.
https://youtu.be/iM_KMYulI_s

>>131301356
This is a bullshit misconception. Eating raw meat isn't that dangerous. As long as you don't straight up contaminate it, and the animal isn't terribly sick you should be fine. I've had raw chicken and beef on several occasions. People who get salmonella are eating undercooked meat which is bad. Parasites live in organs not meat. Raw meat isn't super tough, and the flavor is alright.

>>131286795
We don't kill with our teeth obviously

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>>131285373
>Why arent you off the meat jew yet, pol?

Yes, yes, goy. Don't eat meat. Eat soy instead. Testosterone is anti-Semitic.

>>131308737
Just spend some time educating yourself. Watch this vid >>131285938

It's a biological fact that our body is fine turned to eat a vegan diet for optimal health (watch the vid it's backed up by peer reviewed research). Was it advantageous for humans to eat more calorie dense foods at some points in our history? Yes. Does that mean that we should not follow the optimal diet now that we don't have the same restrictions to foods that we one had? No.

>>131308737
There is no contradiction

You are right. I have the luxurious option not to cause suffering and death of animals and to improve my health at the same time. Why not take this option?

I'm not in a weird survival situation where I have to either hunt or die. In this case obviously it would not immoral to consume meat and it would also be healthier than the alternative, starvation.

>>131294214
Source?

>>131309801
I've seen videos like that dozens of times. I won't make the mistake of wasting my time again. They're all just a bunch of pseudo-science combined with horrible analogies and moral arguments to try to make it seem natural. It's not. It's absolutely, demonstrably not. We don't have those same restrictions anymore, sure, but we did have those restrictions, which is why our proper diet is still what it is, omnivorous. You tell me to "educate myself", I'd have to say the same. Stop going to "I'mRight.com" and listen to bullshit vegan science just to jerk off to your confirmation bias, and look at the big picture.

>>131309916
If you want to use the moral argument, that's fine. For moral reasons, do whatever you want, there is no contradiction. What I wrote was aimed towards the people who think humans are natural herbivores, which is demonstrably false.
Eat whatever you want, you have the luxurious option, but our ancestors didn't, and we evolved to eat plants and meat.

>>131289144
The new studies showing eggs don't raise cholesterol were done by the egg industry, fampai.

>>131290478
There is no meat enzyme. Only generic protein enzymes and stomach acid.

>>131310679
It's not. It's based on peer reviewed research and he's a MD. Check it out.

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I thought sugar was the cause of all of these problems.

>>131310679
Do you have no morality?

We may or may not have some evolutionary adaptations to eat meat, I would never argue that point one way or the other. It doesn't matter!
If you look at the studies done on actual human beings alive today, there is overwhelming evidence supporting eating no meat dairy and eggs.

>>131311064
I've been listening to it the whole time I've been in this thread, it's bullshit, I'm sorry.

I'm listening to him talk about needing supplements, and eating very specific vegan foods to get certain vitamins and essential nutrients.

Honestly, dude, how can you even listen to that and think it's natural at all? How does he even believe this shit? If you need to supplement nutrients, then you're not eating correctly. Right now, I just heard him say how essential flax seed is. Really? Humans had access to all of these specific magical foods and supplements to keep a balanced diet, huh?

This is fucking stupid, and it's wrong.

>>131288130
You should visit /fit/ sometime you fat mongoloid. Dietary cholesterol has no effect on body cholesterol.

>>131311419
>overwhelming evidence
Nope

>>131311297
I thought gluten was the problem

>>131311419
It doesn't mean that I don't have morality. If you want to make the argument to not eat meat for YOUR OWN moral reasons, than that's fine, but to say that I'm immoral is just plain stupid.

I eat meat, because I believe it's essential to my diet. I eat it because that's how the world naturally works. Circle of life, dude. There's nothing wrong with it.

Are all predatory animals "immoral" in your opinion, then?

>>131285535
>Germanic people
Literally all peoples have a history of eating meat you colossal retard. Not everything is Germanic or should be followed because it is Germanic.

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>>131286795
Eating high amounts of meat is for the most part completely harmless.
Only if you eat grilled meat to the point of charring every day for several years you can develop colon cancer.
Having too high levels of cholesterol/sodium/vitamins/minerals are COMPLETELY up to DIET.
>amerisharts think just because they eat unhealthy, dietary restrictions should be put on everyone else

>>131311297
>>131311998
Yes sugar and carbs are the main problem

>>131311873
If an "unnatural diet" is healthier than a "natural diet" (whatever that means according to you), why do you still eat "natural"? What is the upside? Please explain

>>131310752
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY0GRiMyBj8
Is he dead? I don't think so
also people who do ketogenic diet (70% fat, 35% protein and 5% carb) don't higher their "bad cholesterol"

>>131285938
I don't think I could live without nonfat greek yogurt (20g protein and not much else)

>>131312387
*25% protein

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>>131285373
Because I'm not interested in being a weak effeminate vegan cuck.

>>131312117
>I eat meat, because I believe it's essential to my diet.
A belief based on nothing
>I eat it because that's how the world naturally works.
Natural therefore good, a true classic
>Are all predatory animals "immoral" in your opinion, then?
No. Are you an eagle?

If eating the flesh of my enemies was good enough for my ancestors it's good enough for me

>>131311873
Flax seeds is great for DHA. I eat two "scoops" a day. The only supplemant I take is B12, which is really cheap. B12 is from bacteria in the soil. It was in the drinking water before we started cleaning it and a healthy gut could possible produce some by itself. Anyways animals get supplemants too now since they aren't out eating dirt. So if you eat meat you still get B12 from supplements.

I eat lots of stuff everyday

>lots of black beans and other beans too
>oats
>lots of greens including kale
>all sorts of other veggies
>berries
>spices including turmeric and black pepper
>...

Not hard.

I check https://cronometer.com/

About once a week to make sure I get everything.

>>131289804
Wow, ending a friendship because the friend has a condition that's inconvenient to you?

>>131312171
>or should be followed because it is Germanic.
That's exactly why you should do it faggot
Few times have they been wrong

>>131312336
I'm not the one asserting "natural" vs "unnatural". Vegans and vegetarians are. I'm just drilling them on their dumb assertions.

They try to say that humans are "natural" herbivores, and that being vegetarian or vegan is a "natural" more healthy diet for humans.

I disagree. I think that a "natural" diet is the diet that humans ate for the largest most recent portion of our evolution, which is a combination of meat, fish and vegetables. I don't eat "natural", though I should. I eat junk food and bullshit all the time, it doesn't matter.

I'm just tired of hearing these aristocratic retards use pseudoscience to pretend that humans aren't supposed to eat meat and then treat people like scum when they do.

>>131312750
Also lets not forget nuts. Currently eating some walnuts.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EdfHlNXQ9PU

>>131312798
>Few times have they been wrong
Have you been following the news lately

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>>131294858
>Doesn't link a source that disproves it.

>>131313117
Why are vegans always low energy faggots? I would rather eat meat and die at 70 then live until 90 as a total wuss

>>131312623
>A belief based on nothing
A belief based on the fact that people who don't eat meat have to take supplements to provide "essential" nutrients that come from them
>Natural therefore good, a true classic
Yes. Eating the way we did is what got us this far. I don't understand how you wouldn't think that's true.
>No. Are you an eagle?
No. I'm a human. My point was that we're also predatory animals, therefore it shouldn't be considered immoral for us to eat meat. I was making a comparison. Maybe it went over your retarded head.

>>131312753
Yep, he ended his friendship. Straight guys don't like being around fags.

>>131313338
>Projecting

I haven't eaten meat in well over a decade. Eating the corpses of murdered innocents is degenerate and is a violation of the Non-Aggression Principle.

>>131313059
You are right, some vegans do make the claim that humans are natural herbivores ( which is a vague and poorly defined term, anyway), and that is of course kind of silly and has fundamentally nothing to do with veganism. Humans have been opportunistic eaters for most of our history, eating whatever was available depending on geo location, season, current technology, etc.

However it doesn't follow that because of our history we should be eating meat and drinking milk for our health. We can do studies on real living human beings to find out what's healthy and what isn't.

>>131313601
Whatever makes you feel better buddy. Have fun in your cuck country

>>131288780
that's not true at all

if you got past childhood you had a good chance to live into your 70 at basically every point of human history

>>131313493
>A belief based on the fact that people who don't eat meat have to take supplements to provide "essential" nutrients that come from them
What essential nutrient comes from meat that isn't available from another natural source? I defy you to name one

>>131313829
Lol butthurt that you don't have any arguments.

>>131285373
I tried a "high protein" vegan diet when I was 15, I lost weight and felt weak and tired all the time. Humans are meant to eat meat protein and a vegan diet with substitutes do not work for everyone, claiming it's "healthier" isn't objective and varies from person to person

>>131312750
See? This is my point. Re-read everything you just wrote. Realize how oddly specific it is. Realize the work you have to put in to even decide what food you need to eat. Realize the fact that you need to use a website to track whether you're getting the right nutrients from your limited foods and the supplements you take to fix them.

Do you think for a second that human beings ate this kind of shit all the time? Of course not, this is completely absurd. To think that our ancestors got all of their daily calories and nutrients without eating both meat and vegetables is asinine.

>>131313962
I just asked a question. A question that seems very hard for you to answer

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>there are people in this thread who unironically believe that humans are meant to be herbivores

>>131313976
You just didn't get enough calories. Veggies etc. are a lot less calorie dense. Quite common problem. Had it myself in the beginning, but when I started eating more calories and got used to that (you have to eat larger volumes) you will be fine.

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>>131314278
lol only degenerates with no will power eat meat that is pumped up with hormones and other junk.
Stay the plebian you are and gobble up some burgers. Even Hitler knew meat was garbage and for the weak.
Pathetic.

>>131313976
Lost weight, tired and weak = you weren't eating enough. As a vegan you typically need to eat a higher volume of food to get the same calorie count. In order to do this, in the first few weeks of being a new vegan you need to eat more than what feels comfortable, while you get used to the higher volume of food. You'll adapt in a week or two. This isn't an argument against a vegan diet, it's an argument against starvation.

>>131313789
>Humans have been opportunistic eaters for most of our history, eating whatever was available depending on geo location, season, current technology, etc.
That's it. That's all I've been trying to say to these people. But here I am trying to reason with them.

>>131313912
What essential nutrient comes from meat that isn't available from another natural source? I defy you to name one
A quick google search will help you, bud. Even the "doctor" in your precious video talks about certain supplements that vegans need since they don't get them from meat. Even the nutrients that are shared between plants and meat are much more abundant in meat, and to act like ancient humans could get the right amount from just eating plants is ridiculous. We have the technology and access to any food we want and you still need to supplement if you want to be a vegan. Seriously, man?

>>131286795
only one of these uses tools to hunt, kill and prepare food

>>131290614
fug I thought I had become lactose intolerant because as a child I use to drink a lot of milk and eat ice cream up until I started eating better as an adult. then one day I decide to have a nice tall glass of milk with oreos and it fucking wrecked me. but now that I'm eating poorly again and binging on ice cream by body had adjusted back to my fatass ways again

>>131314478
Vegetarianism made Hitler lose the war due to lack of nutrients
It was a jewish psy ops all along

I cut down red meat to twice a week max. At least two days a week I go veg and I rarely eat bread. Also pasta only once a week.
Every 5th week I do a fast cycle. Healthy and strong as fuck and I heal very quickly.

>>131314150
I have a question too. Why are you a faggot? A question that is very hard for you to answer...

See my point?

>>131313989
It's been shown to max longevity. It's the diet that is best in reversing heart disease. The nr 1 killer. Those are facts.

And it's not hard for me to follow it. I eat lots of different foods. I just avoid animal products. It's great and a lot cheaper too.

I don't have to track it but I'm just a health frak.

>>131287378

>meat almost exclusively

Holy shit you ARE a retard.
Even the paleolithic man ate a diet 50% plant based.

>>131305580
lol gay

>>131306109
>Just look at how many obese people you now see in Greece and Italy who still eat this standard Med diet.
In my whole life I have seen maybe 2 really obese people.

>>131314573
>A quick google search will help you, bud. Even the "doctor" in your precious video talks about certain supplements that vegans need since they don't get them from meat. Even the nutrients that are shared between plants and meat are much more abundant in meat, and to act like ancient humans could get the right amount from just eating plants is ridiculous. We have the technology and access to any food we want and you still need to supplement if you want to be a vegan. Seriously, man?
So, which nutrient is the one you're doing with?

I've managed survived on 1 supplement pill per week for the past 34 years. This is less than what the average person (meat eater) takes. What I do take is B12, which I could get "naturally" but I choose not to. B12 is made by bacteria and there's usually plenty in water before we treat water with chemicals. It's also found in varying trace amounts on literally any surface.

>>131314824
I am not a faggot. There answered. Wow what a hard question

>>131306109

Most people in the south of europe eat a lot of shit, stop spreading misinformation.

The mediterranean diet is literally consisted of mostly grains and vegetables and little meats.
Look at the diet in the mediterranean blue zones.

>>131315359
That's the point, you could get B12 much easier if you would just eat meat like your supposed to. Same goes for iron, zinc, calcium, creatine, carsonine, vitamin D3, DHA, taurine, vitamin D, iodine, omega 3's and, oh yea, fucking PROTEIN.

To get a healthy balance of these things, a vegan must either supplement, or eat larger quantities of extremely specific foods.

Or, you can just eat meat, like our ancestors obviously did.

>>131316108
>That's the point, you could get B12 much easier if you would just eat meat like your supposed to.
Let me get this straight, it's one tiny pill per week that costs about 5 cents VS murdering multiple animals, eating pounds of expensive meat, taking in cancer causing hormones, while giving myself heart disease alzheimer's and a limp dick. Yes it sure sounds easier.

>>131316108
It's quite easy to get that. Btw you get B12 from supplements too if you eat meat. You could just get B12 from water that hasn't been "cleaned". Or you can take supplements directly. They are very cheap. As I said you can get enough B12 from unclean water but why not just take the supplement? And that supplement is the only one you really need.

You can get everything else quite easily from eating a good diet. Not much effort.

Now, if you eat animal products you increase the risk for heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes etc.

>>131285938
>>131287652
So it's clearly better to get it from the non-animal sources. And you can get that now... it's in many cases cheaper and it just requires some effort on your part.

>>131315708
I don't believe you.