WHAT HAPPENS IN GERMANY?

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>>131265053
>look! it looks exactly like a merchant if you ignore the parts where it looks nothing like a merchant
Fuck off Hans

>>131264933
The Euro lets the germans export cheaply

>>131265172
This. Germans simply have better work ethics than other people. These guys work really hard.

>>131264933
>Dont tread on me retard doesn't understand trade balances
What a surprise!

If these countries had their own unique currencies then this trade imbalance would even out, but as it stands Germany are basically offloading bulkloads of shit on the rest of the continent without sending their currency valuation through the roof. Germany are exploiting the single currency and then asking Greece to repay debts that Germany basically robbed from them.

The euro gives them an artifically lowered currency which boosts exports. Because the value of the euro is determined by taking info acccount all countries who have it. In the abscence of the euro i believe they would still have a positive tarde balance but nowhere near

>>131265053
>mind blown

>>131264933
the other countries on the list are mediterraneans

>>131264933
Fuck germoney, seriously. Worse than jews.

>>131264933
whaat portugal corrected it's trade imbalance? Amazing

>>131264933
ECB keeps the currency artificially high through (((price stabilisation))) so as to create peripheral economies reliant on German exports.

>>131264933
Hotta give credit where credit is due, the krautfags have a very impressive economy. The question is how long will they be able to maintain it with their coming catastrohic demographic changes?

Hey we are coming back up, only Germany is above us in trade balance!

>>131264933
They are the master race.

>>131265432
THIS

Germans profit greatly from failing economies which keeps the euro relatively cheap. You can see when they still had the DM it was on par with other currencies but now that Greece and Co are devaluating the Euro hard, Germany can go beserk in exports.

>>131265432
looks like Poortugal actual knows economics

>>131265632
>The question is how long will they be able to maintain it with their coming catastrohic demographic changes?

You believe pol memes too much the migrants are an actual net gain on the economy no matter how weird it sounds.

>>131265318
>>131265402
>>131265432
>people actually believing that the euro is the main cause
Ken, idiots.
Sure the euro helps,but the basic fact is that we are simply way more competitive and more efficient.
The reason why you see Aldis everywhere, especially in eastern Europe isn't because of the euro, it's because also had found a superior way to do what it does compared to its competitors, doesn't do any fancy shit and sticks to some basic and very simple guidelines that can be easily exported and multiplied anywhere.
If our car industry gets back to that as well instead of just relying on superior technology it'll be even more succesful as well.

All of you southern seminiggers who haven't actually worked properly a single day in your lives should either kill yourself, or stop blaming others for your failures, pathetic to be quite desu.

>>131264933
The EU is Germany's little economic empire anon.

Being dependent on exports for your GDP is a liability not a strength.

Just think of what happens to Germany when China Crashes, USA has a recession/depression and other EU countries cut imports from Germany.

IIRC, Germany exports account for 48% of it's GDP, meaning that effectively half of it's economy is tied to the stability of other countries.

This state cannot go on forever, Germany will suffer a great economic crisis within the next 10 years. Screencap this.

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>>131265177

>Look! it looks exactly like Orion if you ignore the parts where it looks nothing like Orion!

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>>131265757
you do the same thing my white brethren

if you have gyppo countries in the union the hard workers can sell lots of products

>>131265881
Exporting things to other countries is better than what The U.S and other countries have.
If all hell breaks out you at least have your own products.

>>131265881
Germany has a strong local market it literally can not fail, it will take a hard hit but they will not crash.

>>131265961
Germans and Dutch are the same people tho

>>131265842

>migrants are an actual net gain on the economy no matter how weird it sounds.

No, they are a net gain on the GDP because they grow the number of consumers, that does not mean they are a net gain on the ECONOMY which considers the living standards of its members. You could have a country of a billion people living like rats vs a country of a hundred people living like kings and some kike somewhere will find a way to make the country with a billion people look good using GDP...

>>131265432
Oldest ally knows what's up. Germany's using the other economies to prop themselves up.

>>131265619
>the central bank is making sure the currency is priced for optimal growth
Ow geez damn these yuripeans.

>>131265757
Schröder's radical policy changes did the weil there, Not zur euro, even if the timing overlaps, educate yourself instead of just seeing one angle and trying to explain everything from there.
Funfact: Schröder was actually politically gutted for his program, he may have gotten it trough and nowadays even other parties thank him for it but it was incredibly unpopular back then because it Made everyone cut back for long term economic gains.

>>131264933
Germans are exploiting the rest of the Europe for their gains. EU is their Fourth Reich, they just changed approach to destroying the Europe.

>>131265996
>it literally can not fail,
if the rest of the world stops buying german cars than the domestic market cannot buy all of those extra cars

>everybody's in debt, nobody's spending any money
>can't loan anymore money to the natives because they're so much in debt
>take in two million rapefugees with no existing debt
>loan them a ton of money to spend
"Look! The people are spending money again! The economy is fixed!"

>>131265996
So are you claiming that the German economy can increase it's domestic consumption to almost double?

I'm really skeptical of that.

As soon as export orders get canceled, many workers will be on a countdown clock for unemployment. And unemployed people don't increase their consumption patterns.

Now just add in demographic issues and excessive welfare usage by rapefugees and you got yourself a recipe for disaster.

>>131266078
There is not other option when your population are dying out, you either import migrants or your workforce will feel an immense strain with the years until your economy implodes.

The only option would to have more kids but if that's not working what else could you possibly do to maintain your current life standard

>>131265845
prep the bull

>>131265842
>75% of them are perpetually unemployable and on the dole
>net gain for the economy

>>131265845
>The reason why you see Aldis everywhere

The reason why you find Aldis and Lidl everywhere is because it appeals to low-wage people who'd rather get salmonella than buy decent food.

If by fancy shit you mean adhering to any basic standards of quality for its products, then sure.

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>>131264933
Lmao, how cucked do we have to be for our economy minister to endorse Germany's trade slurplus.

Meanwhile Trump advisors accuses them of gaining advantage through the grossly undervalued euro.

>>131266211
What's a country that would do better than Germany in such a situation?
A country that produces is always better than a country filled with mostly waiters, barista's and bankers

>>131264933

This is how it always was since 1871. The others got butthurt and BTFO's in economy and became mad and needed war to keep their empire spot. Same happened before WW2.

Both world wars were fought to keep the German economic strength small or at least controllable. If we now had the pre-WW1 borders with the same population density, i.e. 120-130 million people, then we would dominate everything in Europe.

>>131266282
> but if that's not working
It hasn't been tried dude, if anything they encourage less children

>>131266169
So they'd cut back the production a bit, the workers would work less and the government would support them so they retain their normal wages while the economy restructures itself.
Wouldn't even be the first time and it worked out well last time.
Everybody is fucked if one of the larger economic zones collapses, Australia, America, Britain, etc.
We'd be one of the countries in a better position than most though.
Also, your argument is retarded “well that neighbour is fucked if an atomic bomb hits“ sure but so would be everybody else.

>>131265053
saved

>>131266211
>So are you claiming that the German economy can increase it's domestic consumption to almost double?

No it can't, hence it will take a hard hit.

But what I am saying that Germany is a rich 80 million population if people stopped importing German goods tomorrow the German economy will take an immense hit and living standard will drop radically but they can survive unlike smaller countries like Netherlands without exports we would die of hunger.

>>131265973
The US still has a lot of manufacturing.

And can regain lost industrial capacity if imports from across the world dry up, it has many natural resources and population.

It times of global crisis, it's better to have a domestic economy that can soak up a domestic surplus or is capable of growing domestic industry due to lack of external supply.

>>131265845
>Not seeing the correlation between the implementation of the Euro and Germany export boom.

>>131264933
Germany profits from shit tier countries like Greece, Spain, Italy being priced into the Euro.
If Germany had old D-Mark it would be 30-50% stronger than the Euro.

>>131265881
>Just think of what happens to Germany when China Crashes, USA has a recession/depression and other EU countries cut imports from Germany.

The entire world economy will crash, people will have problems finding food in the supermarket and civil war will break out in the western world due to high social tensions.

What you have given is a complete retarded example because everyone will be affected and everyone will crash and burn.

>>131266313
>a million people who can spend their gibs on German products
>not a net gain
circular economy my nig

>>131265757
It's not only that, Germans produce a lot of high quality stuff used in factories and laboratories. They are not only exporting consumer goods, they are exporting automation equipment, automation systems, measuring equipment and other equipment needed for other countries to start manufacturing.

Even fucking Oral-B mechanical tooth brushes are powered by brown technologies and motors (their main competitor).

>>131266204
Spending rose before the refugee crisis and Germans hate debt and probably have the least of all of Europe (so basically the world) on a personal basis. We're the world champions of saving money though.

>>131266282
>Oy vey goyim, looks like the world is overpopulated, you need to stop breeding
>Oy vey goyim, you're not breeding enough, we need to bring in sub-saharan africans and people from shithole islamic countries to replace you

>>131266078
This.

Getting assaulted and have your own face smashed by a migrant increases GDP because you are using more healthcare
and police services.

GDP needs always to be taken with a grain of salt, it really depends on the context.

>>131264933
you wouldnt understand

>>131266475
Keep dreaming, your life will continue to be miserable, no draft for WW3 will save you from your desolate future.

>>131266514
Both are actually false statements though.

The world isn't overpopulated and governments are pushing initiatives to get people to make children like subsidies and daycares.

And Governments have stricter and stricter immigration policies in Europe atleast.

>>131266482
What happens when the pyramid scheme fails then toothpaste

>>131266329
>salmonella
>standards
Lel
Listen up bitchboy, if Aldis really really suck that hard in Greece than it's probably the fault of the average Greek worker who's too lazy to even wash his hands.
Get fucked, debtnigger,thanks for confirming that you're literally on the level of poos

>>131266475
Some more than others.

Somehow i cannot think that Russia is going to suffer more than Germany in this event.

Russians already have a shit economy and have many imports cut off due to sanctions, they are not very far from what a country under global crash would be like.

>>131266632
That's why Germoney let in anyone claiming to be a Syrian, right?

>>131264933
Oh wow, the other EU countries buy our stuff for money they got from us before and from other denbts

How fucking great for everyone!

>>131266597

Did you quote the correct post? Because what you wrote has zero correlation to the topic discussed.

C-can't we all just get along, you guys?

>>131265845
The trade balance is mostly because German's domestic demand is weak so they don't import much.
The weak Euro is a small factor but for countries like Greece it hurts them a lot.

>>131266453
Correlation does not equal causation.
Look up Agenda 2010, the changes caused by that made a much larger difference than the euro.
That's what I said when I wrote that you niggers can only see one angle, fucking inform yourself.
And no, the Agenda wasn't started in 2010, it was started long before that to prepare for that year.

>>131266355
The US

Countries economies can adapt if there is domestic demand, but not if there is lack of it.

The ideal stable country is a country with a neutral trade surplus (slightly positive or slightly negative)

>>131264933
You could start to learn HOW TARGET2 WORKS YOU FUCKING RETARD.

tl;dr: It's all smokes and mirrors.

>>131266701

Of course the ones with the highest standards of living suffer more than the others, they have a longer way to go down after all. But I believe this is exactly what we need, a big ass huge fucking crisis to create strong men again. Without dropping the standards of living, we won't fix this shithole.

We need one or two weeks without food in the supermarket, seeing live how all the refugees and turks and arabs will chimp out and then we can go full kebab removal during the conflict. Without this, nothing will happen and Europe is doomed.

>>131266716
That's Germany's internal affairs you dumb Brit, Also I am absolutely certain Germany sends all non Syrians back to their own country after having enough evidence

>131264933

it's charts like these which makes me believe that a 4th Reich is inevitable. Continental Europe should just accept the fact that they'll always be ruled by the eternal Kraut.

>>131264933
>pillaging europe
>having the best economy
I wonder if this could be related...

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>>131264933
You mean after Germans have plundered all the resources from Africa and Poland, bought them for pennies from Asia and watched Eastern Europe get sucked dry for 50 years by the Soviet Union, it's surprising they are the number 1 economy in Europe?

>>131266672
>Lidl is considered a poor-quality retailer that only poorfags in absolute need of basic goods would ever resort to
>in a country that the average person is already pretty poor

Really activates the almonds. Only a stingy kraut would ever come up with such a sad excuse of a supermarket chain. The fact that these two chains are only popular in Southern and Eastern europe where people prioritize cheapness over quality is no coincidence.

>>131264933
Germans = master race

Nords = cucked

Anglos = butthurt

Medniggers = jelly

>>131265562
>Fuck germoney
>still wants free gibs

Go back home Achmed. We have more than enough other poorfags to feed. You'd all starve if we weren't able to pay for your shit.

>>131266929
I would have been accepting of that were Germany not attempting to commit suicide because muh holocaust and trying to take the entire continent down with them

>>131264933
remove the southern part of italy & the local mafia parasites and we can surpass germany anyday
sad but true

>>131266811
We produce Most things we need ourselves and nobody forces Greece to buy from us.
They are like retards braining themselves on a stone repeatedly and then blaming others for not stopping them.

>>131266963
why is the SS backwards on his stahlhelm
it says ZZ

germany is jewing the rest of europa.

>>131266421

Now just consider Germany's demographic problem.

Most of it's population is old (46 years old average), it's native birthrate is shit and it's importing useless third world people in masses.

I can't see even two thirds of those third worlders become a net positive tax payer to sustain pension benefits for retired germans.

Older native germans are fucked, if i were one of them i would be planning to leave the country upon retirement and plan my personal finances so i can sustain myself without state money.

Germany is dead, only radical change would save it now.

>>131267015
you cunts literally stole the railways from us back in 1861.
ReMoVE SotTheRnn ItaLYy
btw the mafia gains more in the north than in the south, it's just that you don't get to see it :^)

>>131266987
Here's what you don't get:
The quality is NOT bad in Germany and countries like Poland, czechia, Denmark, etc.
It might be bad in your shithole and maybe you even do have “salmonella“, but If you do then that's the fault of you fucking greeks.
It works everywhere except in the country known for cutting corners, cheating,lying and being lazy as fuck.
Surely a coincidence, right?
If you really do have such health risks in your Aldis,teach your fucking people to wash their hands after taking a shit, faggot.

>>131266837
Wasn't that the reform that implemented minijobs and midijobs in the early 2000s?

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I mean they literally Hitler'd.

>>131267195
>what is automation

We don't need that large population anymore.

>>131267015
>>131267254
Is the mafia still a big deal in Italy? I thought it's an old meme.

>>131266514
Oversimplification, typical UK mong. Looking foward to watch your fullblown island-meltdown and selling overpriced EU goods to your tiny shithole of a caliphate soon!

The whole German economic policy during the Euro era has been about looting and burning weaker Euro economies and gaining massively from that.

Guess where all those Greek bailout monies went after they had spent themselves bankrupt on German exports and loaned money from German banks to balance the deficit? That's right. We all call Greeks to pay the denbts while financing German banks with our tax money.

>>131266149
>Destroying the Europe
Get out street shitter

>>131267325
the mafia is actually behind some of the importing of subsaharan africans from the shores of libya

>>131266879

It's the old age cycle.

Bad times create strong men,
Strong men create good times,
Good times create weak men,
Weak men create bad times.

I'm in full agreement with you that we need a big crisis for westerners to man the fuck up and sort themselves out.

>>131267257
>The quality is NOT bad in Germany and countries like Poland, czechia, Denmark

>http://www.ifarsala.gr/2017/04/12/efet-prosochi-salmonela-se-souvlaki-kotopoulou-apo-ta-lidl/
Greek EFET warning about salmonella in Lidl meat products

>https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2499075/aldi-prawns-recall-salmonella-food-poisoning-fears/
Food Standards Scotland issues a notice of Aldi prawns containing deadly salmonella

>http://www.praguemorning.cz/salmonella-found-in-pork-meat-sold-in-lidl/
Czech Agriculture and Food Inspection Authority found in ground meat pork 500-gram package a salmonella bacteria

>http://radioresita.ro/171631/171631
Romanian authorities warn about salmonella in Lidl products

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm merely a coincidence

>>131267258
I remember the Hartz 4 reforms which all the German left hated at the time.

And which now makes Germany the only half-decent economy in Europe (not exactly a good position to be in when you have an exacerbated WWII guilt)

Retards who think the label or the number of zero on banknotes have any large influence on the economy should kill themselves, or vote Sanders.

>>131267325
They literally make deals with the government.
Alas, it's far from being a meme

>>131267299
Agreed, now stop importing the third world ffs

>>131267258
There was a lot more to it than that, people generally dumb it down to those things or to “it made people make less money!!!!111“ though.
Neither of those things are untrue of course and it was harsh, but it was definitely necessary.
Germany saw the globalization coming early, cut back on all fronts and had wages not get raised for a couple of years, but after those years the firms were all able to raise em big time and they are still doing it last time I checked.
Basically, we had a politician who committed political suicide so his country could thrive 10 years later, long term planning which is incredibly rare in politics and now everybody ignores that achievement and goes “lel is jus da yuro guise“
Naturally,he only did it because he thought he'd win the next election anyway, but still, Schroeder was nominally a leftists, who hated that shit incredibly much, so it must have taken huge balls, or a huge ego to push it through.
Either way, it worked

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Germany's neo-corporatist, tripartite, centralised wage bargaining system means that a handful of big, sector-wide unions and big, sector-wide employer associations convene once a year to negotiate wage increases for millions. In other European countries, wages are set on the level of one worker, one factory or one firm.

Around the time the euro was introduced and Schröder became chancellor, they agreed not to increase wages in line with increases in productivity, but inflation. The result is 1700 billion of 'unpaid' wages since then.

In order to compensate workers in export-oriented industries, the Schröder governments liberalised the labor market and began subsidising poverty wages by implementing a workfare system, thus creating the biggest precarious labor sector of Europe. This has made for low inflation and ubiquitious cheap services.

As a result, Germany's labor costs have remained flat - 100 billion euro of wages not paid year after year. In the rest of the Economic and Monetary Area, labor costs have increased by up to 30%. Without competitive devaluations, these countries had no way to defend themselves against Germany's internal devaluation, being unable to perform their own due to the different structure of wage bargaining. Thus the ballooing surpluses against the other EMU members.

>>131267325
Lmao man after 1943 they took literally full powers. Not a meme just read this short page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_mafia_during_the_Mussolini_regime

>>131267522
I know the Mafia here is responsible for some of the importing of ME """"refugees"""", didn't know that's happening in Italia.
>>131267648
Well, at least the mafia isn't the government like it is here.

But fuck Italy, I thought you had your shit together.

>>131267648
what's the difference between state and mafia?

>>131267761
Not living in your country.

>>131267299
Why don't Germans wanna breed? The Germans are the reason 80 percent of the world population exists as a result of the Fritz Haber process. Your race contributed more to the worlds prosperity than any other people. The world would be a darker place without the German people. Stop trying to kill yourselves with low birth rates for Christ sakes. Immigrants can never take the place of the German people

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>>131267591
>Greek
>Scotland
>Czech
>Romanian

all of those cases happening in shit tier gypsy countries

>>131267710

great post, very interesting, have an unironic (You)

>>131267761
One is privatized, the other one isn't

>>131267591
Yes, Single cases in thousands of shops, meh, you can find that for literally any big company.
As I said, if standards are fucked in Greece, do yourself a favour and look at yourself even once and assume that maybe you are at fault.
I know it's basically impossible for a Greek guy to take the blame for his own actions, you've proven that again and again over the years, but at least try, because your inability to do so has ruined your country and your massive delusion that you're not just a second world shithole was caused by it.
If you see tourists, don't think you're like them, you're not because from a social standpoint your culture is fucking garbage stuck in its whiny teenage years.
Grow up, Greece.

>>131264933
White germans have always been a productive people. Pair that with a productive land, and you get a good mix. Despite any strange economical modifiers they may encounter.

It's just they lost two wars, and the jews framed them with attempted genocide.

>>131267710
Basically this as well

Germany fucked it self first in order to fuck others later.

The only thing stopping Germany now It's the fact that they are dying out.

>>131267934
>your culture is fucking garbage stuck in its whiny teenage years
tell me about your shitty culture ,kraut

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The eternal Teuton must be stopped. Do not believe the 'German efficiency' meme.

>>131267820
Fritz Haber was Jewish.

>>131267820
This roo in the loo is right. As someone whose ancestors came over from Germany it's maddening to see modern Germans destroy their own country. They need to get their shit together.

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>>131264933

Germany isn't too rich when compared to West/Northern Europe

>>131267761
In Italy? not much

>>131265845
Yes, you are very efficient, that's why if no euro your currency would be much harder trhan currencies of the meds, they would have currency devaluation at 4-5% yearly against your 1%, and they won't be able to buy from you as much as they can now.

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>>131267710
The reason for the surplus cannot be sought in the euro exchange rate alone, because much of it is with other EMU members. Thus, Germany has consistently printed surpluses regardless of whether EURUSD was at its historic 2001 low of 0.82 or its historic 2008 peak of 1.6.

Aside, Germany is not manipulating the euro's value abroad because the current policy of the European Central Bank runs contrary to the preferences of the German monetary policy establishment, which has historically been extremely hawkish and finds quantitative easing morally and financially repugnant.

>>131267934
>getting that butthurt from a few links

Okay, Ahmet, I won't insult your host country again.

>>131268044
My culture was able to do this >>131267710

Yours was not.
Now you can say “But that's ab unfair advantage :(((((“, but no it's not.
It is necessary to have a leg to stand on in a globalised economy with chunks working for cents, the fact that you seminiggers were too arrogant and short-sighted to do so doesn't mean we should get fucked with you

>>131267820
Nobody wants to breed anymore in the 1st world. Which wouldn't be a problem if we didn't import 3rd world here en masse. Like I said, automation will solve a lot of problems associated with low birthrate.

>>131268130
kek America is only that high because they have a fuckload of billionaires

20% of their country holds like 90% of the wealth

>>131267820

Children are expensive, career women agenda is pushed hard in the media, no real incentives for marriage, if you don't have a pretty good job you can't sustain a 3 person family AND have a good living standard.

>>131268148
The Euro is Not as important as you think,read the thread.
>>131268163
>butthurt
I just stated the thruth, if you feel attacked by it that's your problem,for more info look here >>131268212

>>131265397
Why does the graph make it seem like their better work ethic just magically appears a couple of years after the introduction of the euro?

>>131267710
interesting

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>>131268212
>my CULTURE was able to do this
>CULTURE

its quite easy, weak southern european countries keep the value of the Euro low. Germany's exports rise because of that. That's why germany wants to keep Spain, Greece, Italy and even France as weak economies. Their suffering is good for german export.

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>>131265432
>The euro gives them an artifically lowered currency which boosts exports. Because the value of the euro is determined by taking info acccount all countries who have it. In the abscence of the euro i believe they would still have a positive tarde balance but nowhere near

Ok there, let us assume we had no Euro, but the Deutsch-Mark.

"OH, damn, the Deutsch-Mark is so strong, our damn export economy is hurting"

Know what we would do? Yes, what Japan does. We would just print money and hand it to people, thus lowering the Deutsch-mark, but people would be really rich as a result. The Swiss did the same thing and still do.

Guess what happens with the Euro? We have a weak currency and pay a trillion Euros not to Germans, but to fucking Spain, Greece, Italy etc.

We are essentially working our asses off for the rest of Europe without any reward whatsoever.

>>131268335
Because of Schröders Agenda 2010, See here >>131267710
Come on you perfidious Anglo, think.

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>>131267631
>>131267676
I didn't stress enough that those reforms started in 2003 and 2005, way after the skyrocketing of German exports, and that obviously as you said, these things take time to produce tangible results.

>>131268432
Societies are products of their culture, finish high school before you post again.ß

>>131268212
it's not your fault southern europe fell for the fourth reich nultikulti edition. Southern Europe is just dumb for not understanding, their economy will always suffer to benefit German export.

>>131264933
it's not hard to win when the system is ran by you

>>131264933
have you ever seen a merc factory you dumb hick

>>131268542
Schröder was in charge before that already and the Agenda was just the climax of his work.
After him we got Merkel and she's basically been living off his work after he was burned at the stake for it.

>>131265397
you clearly never lived in Germany

>>131268689
You clearly never lived outside of Germany.
Talk to some Italian guys about how work is handled in Italy, it's enlightening.

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Also, anyone denying the strength of German industry is just butthurt.

>>131268455
WIthout euro you either would get a deflationary shock, when one has to utilize the Mercedeses as soon as they get off the assembly line, or lower the currency and efficiency by introducing even higher taxes and more socialism.

>>131266282
an actual real life globalist.

mass migration is a racket that favours big business. a gradually declining population is good for the average person it's only bad for those at the top. the economy isnt going to "implode" without mass migration thats a fucking myth.

>>131266632
i remember not long ago everybody was harking on about how the world was becoming over populated then they did a full 180 and started telling us we need migrants because our populations are declining. no warning that population needs to increase no government policy measures to counteract this "problem" just full blown mass migration out of nowhere with constant propaganda being bashed into our brains. those things you mentioned are not incentives. there has been a lot of media pushing for people to live a child free lifestyle and if you look at these pieces of media the couple depicted are always white. it is subtle but it is happening

>>131268455
this is the true red-pill.

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Friendly reminder that in 2016, Germans accrued 1.8 BILLION hours in overtime, only half of which was compensated.

Germans are literally wageslaves.

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>>131268787
We know how to make a currency worthless without foreign help. thank you.

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>>131268060
>destroy militarism by enlisting in the military

And as soon as curencies of the meds would became too weak for buying german stuff they will just have no choice but produce local cheaper alternatives, maybe not as good as german, but cheaper as everything inside the country, including work and energy is cheaper due to cheap currency.

>>131268853
>Germans are literally wageslaves.
sure , come to Spain and work 10h-12h per day ...well i forgot you come here for piss on streets and buy cheap sangria

>>131264933
>select eurozone countries

Pick non Mediterranean shitholes, please

>>131269074
France?

Pretty much everyone with half a brain predicted this result from sovereign states sharing a single currency in a non OCA.

Sovereign fiscal centralized monetary hurrrrrrrrr. Just waiting for greece to get its credit frozen again

>>131269005

I'm sorry you have to experience the horror of tourists spending money in your country. That must suck.

>>131268071
Most of "german" scientific contributions were made by german jews

>>131264933
Neat, does this mean the check I'm getting this month will be extra fat?
Keep up at good work, krauts.

>>131268461
So basically what you're saying is that Germany are the chinks of Europe and they need to be wiped out before they turn the whole continent into one giant sweatshop?

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>>131264933

the euro is the root cause

before they could manipulate their currencies to dampen the trade deficit with Germany

>>131268130
This is idiotic as it's nominal GDP, not GDP PPP that takes account things like prices etc.
In Iceland everything is fucking expensive, as in Norway, Switzerland so at the day's end they might be worse off than Germany in many cases

>>131266282
You're a dipshit if you actually believe this. Employers love to over-inflate the workforce and create a labor surplus so that your labor is worth less. If there weren't an invading horde of shitskin laborers, we'd have it made once the excess old fucks died off.

daily reminder that our country was totally destroyed not even 100 years ago

>>131268455
At least someone knows how it works.

>>131266482
>bring in useless sandniggers
>give them money
>use that money to buy goods
This logic would similarly support the German government buying up German cars and tipping them into the sea. It's this sort Keynesian retardation that's fucking up the world.

>>131264933

Centralization with (((speculative))) capital.
Businesses are being bought with borrowed money from peripheral nations to be concentrated (kek) into Germany.

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>>131269193
Honolaly alyans

>>131266632
>The world isn't overpopulated and governments are pushing initiatives to get people to make children like subsidies and daycares.
Useless while we are pushing feminism and more education and employment for women
>And Governments have stricter and stricter immigration policies in Europe at least.
While immigration increases exponentially, yeah, good one.

>>131268787
>get a deflationary shock
the same deflationary shock that Switzerland and Japan got?

Oh no, those countries are SOOOO poor and have such a high unemployment!!

Give me a break. Weakening your currency is damn easy. The problem with the euro is that we are paying others a shitton of our money to weaken the overall currency.

I say, stop the fucking EU, stop the Euro etc. and either implement a Bretton Woods II system or stop having a fucked up fiat currency system or both.

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>>131268549
Your culture has been destroyed, shit on, and humiliated time and again, but yet you rebuild. It is not your culture that makes Deutschland great. It is your blut.

>>131266482
Yes but even with Germany's strong domestic market there is no way to guarantee that 100% of their gibs will be spent on German produce. What if they buy imported food products from back home, what if they prefer buying Chinese made products due to their relative cheapness. Even German made goods may well involve imported products somewhere down the supply chain (a brand new aldi may have used Polish iron ore to manufacture its steel components or a Czech company built some of its engine parts etc).

I'm not advocating for any protectionism here, the importation of foreign goods is a necessity for any trading nation. But rather I'm trying to suggest how relying on class of people who only consume but do not produce (three-quarters of refugees) could never sustainably upkeep the German economy. Because a share of the money they spend shall always be leaving the German national economy, whilst they never create any wealth of their own to offset this effect. The taxation revenue which is funelled towards refugees through welfare would be better spent on either on essential public services (healthcare, education etc.) or maybe just not at all and allow the taxpayer to keep a greater percentage of their wages to themselves.

>>131269005
>well i forgot you come here for piss on streets and buy cheap sangria
Your country has literally nothing else to offer.

>>131268455

Why do you do it, Germany? Why do you do it?!?

>>131268455
>We are essentially working our asses off for the rest of Europe without any reward whatsoever.

This is what Germans unironically believe.

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>>131268455
>We are essentially working our asses off for the rest of Europe without any reward whatsoever.
Good then you agree with me it's time to leave this union right?

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>>131265172
Und zer Jumping zer queue
in ze Autobahn

>>131269669
>Good then you agree with me it's time to leave this union right?

No. How would that end 60 years of neoliberal indoctrination that's been corrupting, either directly or indirectly, literally every single country regardless of whether they are in a union or not?

>>131266282
your are not a real lowlander are you? Come on roach show your face.
also in Denmark we actually looked at what migrants cost or added to the economy and migration was a net minus. However the report also stated that if you took out "none western migrants" then migrants was a net plus.
None western migrants cost Denmark about 50billion danish crowns pr. year (the same amount of money the entire UN refugee agency cost pr. year).
None western mass immigration is not good for the economy or the GDP. Selective none western immigration might be.
Western mass immigration appears to be good for the economy overall.

>>131264933

Well, they are siphoning the wealth of an entire continent while killing off all their potential competitors thanks to the EU, the EUR and related ruls.

>>131269669
Spain is net contributor since 2004, at least post recent data

>>131269632
>Why do you do it, Germany? Why do you do it?!?
France and England wanted Germany in the Eurozone as a condition for their support of our reunification.
Of course, that ended up being unnecessary when the wall fell, but the deal had been made already.

>>131265172
>loan loan loan

>>131269669
The figures in that map are rubbish. Germany's annual gross contribution to the EU budget is about 24 billion euro, about 11 billion of which are spent in Germany again (2015).

http://ec.europa.eu/budget/figures/interactive/index_en.cfm

This comes out to a net contribution of precisely €163 per capita per annum.

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>>131269806
It sure is a start to get our national sovereignity back. Do you not see in this thread Europeans hating on eachother. We are not supposed to be in a political union together. We are very different nations and cultures.

Let's stop this before we waste even more money on Brussels.

>>131269880
Good for you, now you're also getting screwed. Welcome to the club

>>131269596
Zara?

been in germany and a lot of them unironically believe that germany is wealthy simply because of their work ethic.

Not to mention theres a HUGE amount of spanish and italians working in germany.

They are Jews benefiting from trade imbalances and stealing the brains of the affected countries.

>>131268754
actually I was born in Hungary and lived and worked there for 18years...

>>131264933
well basically the result of the introduction of the euro has been the enslavement ofall europe for germany to make a profit
they need to redistribute the money, otherwise it won't work for long

>>131266885
>I am absolutely certain Germany sends all non Syrians back to their own country after having enough evidence
Wrong.
Germany cant send people back who entered Germany if the countries the people originally migrated from do not uphold and live up to the human rights articles. So some Somalian migrant cant be deported because Somalia do not want him back and because Somalia does not follow or care about international human rights.
This is the reason why people wants to stop the migrants before they enter the country. Because when you first have them on your hands you cant get rid of them without having to break international agreements.

>>131264933

They spend next to nothing on defence

Germany is going for round 3, this time taking the subversive seemingly friendly approach.

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>>131264933
italians, spanish, portugese, greeks and french have too much nigger blood in them which makes them unable to have a stable economy

>>131269953
>about 11 billion of which are spent in Germany again
how about you guys cut out the middleman and spend it all directly in Germany instead of building up Eastern Europe and propping up the mediteranan countries?

>>131270149
Why would you want to throw them out? Wasn't Newton and Einstein Somalian by birth?

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>>131270256
Mate, the rocket scientists these bastards are brewing up right now could make a MOAB out of a Kinder Surprise and a box of matches.

>>131270050
see here >>131267710
Lazy mednigger

>>131270227
Americans give over half of their tax dollars to defence. (54%)
Americans certainly have a mental problem.

>>131270326
you are correct west Slav and so was the original vikings before whitey stole there culture and lands.
>we wuz

>>131269669
>Good then you agree with me it's time to leave this union right?
Yes, 100%.

We should replace the EU with a free trade zone and standards setting organization and customs union.

As to the common currency, we should introduce an asset backed currency and thus replace the current fiat currency. This way every single European country who wants to have the same currency, could just adopt it. It would not matter, as the currency is tied to the value of the assets backing it, NOT some manipulation on currency markets.

>>131270417
> german larper

you are probably another arab mixed blood pretending to be a real german, there's millions of those in Germany.

>>131269632
>Why do you do it, Germany? Why do you do it?!?
We are literally stupid. Merkel thinks Germany is stronger if it receives millions of Slavs and illegals.

>>131270525
>We should replace the EU with a free trade zone
indeed
>and standards setting organization and customs union
nej....

>>131270295
Path dependencies. A few decades ago, France made subsidies to its agricultural sector a condition for its participation in the common market. These subsidies have been the biggest single chunk of EU spending ever since, and always will be until serious competencies in defense or social welfare are handed over to the Union.

And why wouldn't we build up the countries we're outsourcing and selling our goods to? German corporations want to make investments abroad to make use of cheaper labor costs, they need the right infrastructure to do so.

>>131269168
No,they weren't you dumb kike.

>>131269669
>>131270525
you lot don't have to work on leaving the union. Your stance on mass immigration will make the union leave you

>>131268212
>culture

No anon, you are on the same level as chinks, disgusting.

>>131264933
Our wages are shit.
Our effective taxes are 50%+ and majority of that money goes into prepping up our industry.
Draghi makes sure our money isnt worth shit.

Everybodys economy would roar if they had the quality due to skilled people combined with dumping prices due to said skilled people getting fucked over.

>>131264933
it's the main tool of the 4th reich: the euro
it's better to think of currency as a tool for the economy, which germany uses (manipulates) to its advantage

>>131264933
They created the euro so they control its circulation like the feds control the dollar in the us. Don't you see goys, (((((they))))) MAKE the money. It's all so clear.

And why do they need refugees? To lower the standard of living and economic development somewhat so people don't start asking questions. It's the perfect plan! I gotcha (((((HANS)))))!

>>131269976

Junker such a fucking child, what an embarassment

>>131268787
>deflationary shock

it's so shocking when earned money are not devaluated into shit

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>>131264933

Stealing money and funding via the European Union sure pays off.

>>131265679
everythings coming up italy

>>131271069
>https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2017/05/15/mcs05152017-Germany-Staff-Concluding-Statement-of-the-2017-Article-IV-Mission

Looking forward, a sustained rise in wage and price inflation in Germany is needed to help lift inflation in the euro area and facilitate the normalization of monetary policy.

Our baseline forecast envisages a gradual demand-driven rise in wage, core, and headline inflation, consistent with the tight labor market conditions. There is a risk, however, that, after a long period of moderation, wages will not respond sufficiently to these conditions.

This would result in protracted low inflation in Germany and a slower-than-expected normalization of inflation and monetary conditions in the euro area

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>>131270525
>We should replace the EU with a free trade zone and standards setting organization and customs union
EXACTLY!!! Finally a German that makes sense. Most of you on 4chan are EU cucks

>>131270706
>And why wouldn't we build up the countries we're outsourcing and selling our goods to?
You can do that without giving away your sovereignity. If you feel like giving welfare to Eastern Europe then that should be your nations decision. not Brussels.
Our hopefully next pm (pic related) actually brought this up to our current pm. Sweden gives X amount of gibbs to Portugal every year. Yet our trade with them is 20 times less than that. So what is the point for us? Ofcourse our PM couldn't answer that question

>>131270828
>Your stance on mass immigration will make the union leave you
Yes I thank the people of Aghanistan for speeding up the destruction of this failed project. Can't wait for it's collapse. It will be like the USSR collapse only a greater historical moment

>>131271229
>Junker such a fucking child, what an embarassment
He's a corrupt asshole, but Farage has said that Junker is actually one of the few people in the EU that can take a joke. Herman Von Rumpoy and Martin Schultz ar the true children

>>131264933
>Italy that high
Lmao imagine what we could do without the constant German butthurt plotting against us

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The euro sucks the money out of other countries because the have shitty products and rather but German for the same amount of money
Then they need money from the European union to stay alive and buy German products

>>131271873
*Rather buy

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>>131264933
>are they humans?
We're just not lazy fucks like the rest of the world. Every day is planned out. I give myself exactly 30 minutes on /pol/ every day, 30 minutes on anime, 45 minutes on catching up with news, 15 minutes jerking off, but only if all work for that day is finished.. The rest is either work or studying. If I catch myself spending more time on leisure activities, I penalize myself by taking away either anime or /pol/ time for the next day. It's a very efficient system that helps me to keep myself in control, I definitely recommend trying it out.

>>131268455
Don't forget the """new Germans"""

>>131265397
so they didn't start working hard until 2000?

>>131264933
Germans are simply superhumans.

>>131270828
>you lot don't have to work on leaving the union. Your stance on mass immigration will make the union leave you

I don't care how it happens, the EU must go.

>>131271623
Sovereignity hasn't been given away, it has been pooled: Virtually no decision is taken without the approval of member states' representatives. Monetary policy has been taken out of the purview of politicians long before the EMU was established. Already the Bundesbank was a politically independent central bank.

If there was a loss of sovereignity, it's that of *popular* sovereignity: The process we call European integration has transferred power from national legislatures to national executives. Decisions taken by parliamentaries before are now taken by Councils [sic] of civil servants. The results of negotiations between them or between the heads of state and government

(most of them already bargained out in the Committee of Permanent Representatives [COREPER] and then simply approved)

are presented to parliaments, frequently without much room for amendment. Only the sovereign debt crisis has called attention to this practice.

It is not guaranteed that dissolving the Union would guarantee the return of those powers to national parliaments. Making the European Parliament the Union's sole legislative body would. It would also constitute the first (and last) transfer of sovereignity upwards.

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>>131264933
The EU is a project of the jews

>>131264933
>low wages
>good products
>low cost to quality ratio
>export like a madman while people cant afford fucking shit
>have an insane trade balance that throws south of europe into a fucking debnt crisis

GERMANY YES

>>131271873
Actually germans imposed unfavorable trade deals to the the EU countries, UK and france somehow were able to ignore them but italian,spanish and greek exports were destroyed at the cost of taking in more german goods, including agriculture which these countries produced at least in a decent amount.

>>131272321
we did but to also honest the fiance crisis did help us biggly. Thx america again, you wiped the competition out for us.

>>131264933
That's just our racial superiority put in numbers. Feels good to be born great.

>>131266357
Also this

>>131272690
>we wuz economic prosperity until da germanz came and performed evil kraut magick, now we poor :(

>>131271623

So Junker blocking the cameras was him just playing along and having a joke with Farage? Well goddammmit that's funny as shit.

>>131272527
So when are the presidential elections when you get to cast your vote on who is the ruler of the EU?
Thought so.

> be essentially incharge of a buerecratic state which allows your country (the biggest exporter in Europe) to export to other european countries with minimal tariffs

Basically the story of Germany's success

>>131273126
>the ruler of the EU

Uhm, crumpet, this might be hard to comprehend but over here we use democracy. Being ruled isn't "normal" here.

>>131273126
That's exactly what I mean. That decision is being taken by the European Council (heads of state and government - chiefs of their national executive) and the European Parliament. The former should either be removed from the equation, thus turning the EU into a fully parliamentary political system like the UK or both of them should be, and the President or *a* President (of the Commission) be directly elected, making it a presidential one.

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>>131273026
:^)

>>131273304
>we use democracy
OK, so when do you vote?

>>131273281
Tariffs shouldn't exist in a global market.

>>131272690
Yes but ask any person in the EU and they will say they benefit from it just because they get money from the ECB, even their streets built by foreign engineering.

In the end it will drive down German working class because high inflation or a EU tax for burned out countries I think

>>131273376
Early 2019

>>131273366
>making it a presidential one
Actually if they'd been honest from the off and stated this as their goal, many in the UK would be OK with this, myself included to an extent.
For most of us it's the lies that have put us off. And the lack of direct representation and accountability.

>>131272527
>Sovereignity hasn't been given away, it has been pooled:
So taken away

>Decisions taken by parliamentaries before are now taken by Councils [sic] of civil servants.
so national sovereignity has been taken away

>It is not guaranteed that dissolving the Union would guarantee the return of those powers to national parliaments.
Sure seems to work for the rest of the world.

>>131273077
not sure but yeah could be the case so I don't judge him for that picture, might just be them having fun at work.

>>131273281
and with unique currency Germany would be even stronger. deal with it the population size, the geographic location the technological advances where all way to much to counter by anyone.

You try as hard as you want but with Dmark there would absolutely no competition what so ever for the others. and best thing they would get no money back. Then there is trade for oil that has to be done with dollar and imagine a devalued lire to utter trash because they try to compete with the Dmark.

Only america wins and the Saudis, any other Eu country would be so hard in debt by america you could never in live imagine.


>>131269529
well with japan they property of the US because they are so much in debt.

You looking it again only from your perspective not from nation wide perspective.

>>131273367
That is due to our previous currency, the D-Mark, becoming so valuable that it throttled our exports. We are the greater country in Europe, it will be easier if you stop fighting.

I don't understand how you guys are able to make any sense whatsoever of economics. It's really really fucking complicated and I doubt cause and effect chains are as simple as people always make them up to be. How do you guys do it?

>>131273573
>Actually if they'd been honest from the off and stated this as their goal, many in the UK would be OK with this, myself included to an extent.
Sad because it would mean the literal destruction of the European nation states. A united States of Europe would not last long and would crumble due to infighting and civil war like Yugoslavia

>>131266453
Don't mind him he's a fool.

>>131273729
Its simpel who is debt of who. Economy and monitory policy is pyramid scheme.

>>131273709
>well with japan they property of the US because they are so much in debt.

The Japanese debt is on paper only. They are doing exactly what I said, expansion of the monetary supply to weaken their currency as a way to help their export industry. The money they create goes straight into the Japanese economy. They lend the money from Japanese banks, who essentially give them credit at 0%.

This is a perfect model. It is unbreakable.

>>131273557
Choosing between a cunt and an arse hole who then gets to pick which faceless beurocrat gets to be in charge this time around hardly counts.
A truly presidential system would at least let people have an idea of what the fuck was going on.
And would prevent the whole "the EU stops us having our own laws" bullshit.
But it's too late for that now, they fucked it up with their greed and lies so now the whole thing's got to come down.

>>131273729
>How do you guys do it?
They don't. There are pros and cons to everything. At the end of the day life goes on. Anyone telling you the world will end if we leave the EU or stay in the EU is simply saying what thye see from their own world view

At the end of the day it's about whether you believe in nation state democracy or federalism

>>131268455
Ahahahahah
Nice joke.
De devaluation of a currency is made by markets, if you artificially manipulate it to lower its power you will have a huge inflation.
And German oligarchs will never permit that, they will just lower pleb salary to gain competion.

>>131273777
>A united States of Europe would not last long and would crumble due to infighting and civil war like Yugoslavia

Do you unironically believe this? Because if you're right, we can all start packing our bags or prepare for misery, because no unified Europe = no growth. We'll just be one gigantic Italy, getting poorer by the year.

>>131273954
>De devaluation of a currency is made by markets, if you artificially manipulate it to lower its power you will have a huge inflation.

You mean like Japan or Switzerland who are fighting off deflation through permanent QE?

>>131266453
off coarse the Euro help ´d and the drop of tariffs and borders. Thats what is a blessing for all trade.

goods coming in from Spain to Germany dont get taxed and dont get tariffs on them to make them even more expensive.

>>131266098
>the central bank is making sure the currency is priced for optimal growth

Apparently they are all > 9000 iq super geniuses to be able to take into considerations billions of daily transactions, for 12 people to find the "optimal" price of money.

I wonder why don't we do this for other stuff, let's have the government set the optimal price for big macs.

>>131273710
So when the UK leave you are really OK with all the people from shit countries coming to Germany for benefits and to take all the low skilled work for €0.15 / hour? Because that's what is going to happen, your country being the next best destination.

>>131273903
Whatever. As things stand, the UK will die before the EU. Good job.

>>131273956
The only reason that Italy become poorer and poorer it's because we are ruled by land Landsknechts and you fucking krauts are th catastrophe of Europe. You are a plague.

>>131273366
>German
>EU
>Not ruled
>Duhmocrisy
Well played frankubshmoodlepop

https://twitter.com/OnlineMagazin/status/878952296348082178
UK: Multiple people including kids wounded after car crashes into crowds
If you watch this video she says I dont know what happened, they say she lost control of a car. Is it possible that now they will use Vault7 tricks to gain control over cars and make attacks on islamists so they could say that now christians are attacking, or that not only refugees are attacking. Is this some kind of their game because now people are marching against islamic terror attacks. And now they try to make evidence so they could say its not only islamist attack, islam is not a problem.

>>131273954
Then I wonder after the euro came in why did nobody rise the salary of there workers in Italy or span or France on the same levels as other nations? why did the poolacks not accept the euro?

Guess why, to jew each other in hope all the industries and wealth will come to them.


Looks like every one treyed to jew the other side.

>>131273573
It's getting there, but at a snail's pace. National bureaucracies are unwilling to give up their newfound powers. European Parliament caucuses fielding their candidates for Commission president in the last election was a step in the right direction.

>>131273671
The sovereignity of national governments is not just intact, but stronger than ever. The sovereignity of national electorates has been severely curtailed.

>Sure seems to work for the rest of the world.
Not quite, almost all international organisations operate as agreements between governments rather than parliaments or peoples. Modern trade agreements increasingly aspire to the harmonisation of national regulatory standards (the most significant non-tariff barriers to trade, after all) by councils of government representatives, which mirrors the logic behind the single market. The EU is unique and leading in the way that it at least has a degree of parliamentarisation underwriting it, it's just not enough anymore.

>>131274179
refer to >>131273026

You're brainwashed. Italians wrecked Italy.

>>131274023
considering that you are islamic in 40 years, yeah.

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>>131264933
4th reich stronk

>>131264933

>germany strangles other nations with trade to inflate its economy
>destroys their import/export ratio by destroying their national currency
>then blocks their exports to developing nations like China which countries like France would benefit from
>also limits having a varied economy with their limits
>WHY IS GERMANY DOING BETTER THAN THE REST?

Germany playing the jew.

>>131273777
Maybe, maybe not but that will definitely happen if we are all lied to, which we were.

>>131274155
We'll see

>>131265601

I want my fishing rights back, Portugal.

>>131273304
>Literally the entire history of Germany can be summarised thus: Ruled by tribal forestniggers, ruled by ten million petty kings and lords, ruled by a Kaiser, ruled by Hitler, ruled by Jews
>"Uhhhh, poppet, sweetiekins, crumpet, uhmmmm being ruled isn't "normal" here smoochums, baby need a nap nap?"
Germans should be exterminated. 2WW1WC

>>131273729
LARPing with A few econ101 words thrown in to make it look legit. NO ONE understands the economy, even professionals in the field. Its purposeful. Cant let the goy collect and control too many sheckles chaim.

>>131274131
>buh refugees
>muh migrant genocide

Do you have any real points to make, or just more thinly veiled meme shit?

>>131270488
>flag
>"defence"
ok

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>>131274291
What has radical Islam to do with quantitative easing?

We got a shitton of Turks and their population is actually decreasing.

And don't start with muhh Syria, muuhhh Iraq... we got like 800k of them, most of them men who cannot reproduce with other men. The conversion ratio of non-muslim women to Islam in Germany is in the hundreds of people a year.

>>131269669
>source
>reddit

Kys

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>>131270289

>belive me, I'm a pure aryan !

t. 86% white colgate

>>131274266
YOU are brainwashed and don't even realize.

>>131274361
Kinda this. Our economy is ectremely competetive.
We are taking slowly taking over Europe with it.
You took our arms and pride and replaced it with capitalism and degeneracy.
Now we succeeded and started playing the games of the anglo And american better than they ever could.

>>131274883
At the end of euro you will collapse Germany.
Stop being this stupid.

>>131274459
You crumpets overrate your own country even more than the average Italian. Britain cannot stay relevant without Europe.

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>>131273956
>Do you unironically believe this?
Yes as does many others.
>Because if you're right, we can all start packing our bags or prepare for misery, because no unified Europe = no growth.
Weird because the rest of the world seems to be fine on it's own. New Zeeland hasn't become third world yet

>>131274255
>The sovereignity of national governments is not just intact, but stronger than ever.
Nope when Sweden had 10000 migrants a week flooding into our country our government had to go beg, BEG the EU to allow us to implement border controls and the EU reluctantly gave us permission for 6months
The UK has for over a decade had to beg the EU to allow them to control their own borders to save the social cohesion of their nation and the EU has refused. That is not sovereignity

>Modern trade agreements increasingly aspire to the harmonisation of national regulatory standards
and it is up to sovereign states to agree to these trade agreements. If they don't want to they don't need to. It is up to the nation

>>131274403
>Maybe, maybe not but that will definitely happen if we are all lied to, which we were.
sure but it would've happened anywya. Why do you think they had to lie to us all? The European state is a dream just like communism was for the USSR it will never work. We have a chance to end it peacefully now before we go down due to infighting.

>>131274876
Nah your blinded by nationalism to see how the situation is.

It has nothing to do with barinwashing just with pure logic.

You corrupt, and worst thing stealing and lazy.
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/italien-oeffentliche-angestellte-betruegen-bei-arbeitszeit-a-1073032.html


you think this is in anyway helpful to attract any kind of work and foster confidence in your nation?

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>>131274798
>t. 86% white colgate

>>131274876
You suffer cognitive bias. Italy is in the shitter and you can't comprehend that your countrymen put it there themselves. Germany has nothing to do with Italy's situation. Nothing. You brought this on yourselves. It's time to admit it. Stop playing the scapegoat game, you pathetic plebeian spaghetti shitskin.

>>131274947
kek it will make as even more power full you could ever imagine, you think a currency that we control without taking other nations in consideration would damage Germany?

kek you got no clue.

>>131265397
you fucking retard euro is german mark in disguise.
they litterally converted 1:1 in the passage.
and people still wonder why germany is profiting more.
you all fucking autists

>>131275157
Finnics are more Aryan than Nordics? Don't they look slightly chink?

t. Ignorant bong

>>131275195
>. Germany has nothing to do with Italy's situation. Nothing. You brought this on yourselves. It's time to admit it. Stop playing the scapegoat game, you pathetic plebeian spaghetti shitskin.
Again the solution to these neverending arguments is to kick Italy out of the EU or for Germany to leave

>>131275083
New Zealand consists of some 20 million people who can get by on sheep and assorted high tech industry. Are we gonna use Iceland as a reference for all of Europe next? Are you retarded?

>>131275195
here you fucking kraut>>131275313

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>>131275195
>>131275242

You are such of a joke, don't even realize ABC of economy, nor having awareness of what your county is...

>>131275412
Italians aren't White but are probably superior to Germanics, excluding the South and Sicily.

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>>131275522
>Italians aren't White
sorry mohamed

>>131275313
>>131275412
>>131275470
Italy was brought to its knees by Italians. Even Turkey is doing better.

>>131275607
turkey doesn't have euro as currency you literal retard

>>131275377
>New Zealand consists of some 20 million people who can get by on sheep and assorted high tech industry
Good I'm sure the rest of us can find our niche and manage just fine aswell

>Are we gonna use Iceland as a reference for all of Europe next?
don't even know what you mean by this

>Are you retarded?
no I think it's more retarded to sell your nations sovereignity out

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>>131274883

>all that counts is a good (((economy))) !

Please read Die Deutschland Illusion. Your country and it's people are dying.

>>131267015
>the local mafia parasites
And how would the North dispose of the trash without the mafia?

>>131275671
If it did, it would have less trouble than Italy. Your poverty is self-inflicted. Your society is savage and uncivilized.

>>131275676
Pooling our sovereignty is the only way to save it. Without unification, our countries will become vassals of opposing forces like in the cold war. Is that so hard to comprehend? By opposing the EU, you're playing in the hand of those who want to control us.

>>131266329
Never heard of Aldi, but they tried to establish lidl here in Norway and it was a massive failure. Poor quality of goods and poor working conditions gave them a really bad rep

>>131276051
>Poverty self inflicted
Almost every problem of our economy comes from EU, retard!
Ahahahaahahahah
you are so fucking dumb.

>>131275671
That doesn't mean he can't compare one to another
Italy economy sucks, unfortunately
Great country

>>131275470
I do realize the ABC of economy of trade of monetary policy and foreign trade.

>>131276051
The "self-inflicted" component it's becaue we have fucking postcommies morons that want to be ruled by germans.
Fucking traitors.

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>>131276051
>Pooling our sovereignty is the only way to save it.
>if you give up your sovereignity you keep it
Trudeau are you on a state visit to mama Merkel?

>Without unification, our countries will become vassals of opposing forces like in the cold war. Is that so hard to comprehend?
So? The world has always had hegemons, it's been the French, the Brits, the Germans several times, The US now. Sovereign nation states have still existed and prospered during all those hegemonies. Only now are they threatened and it's the EU that is the treath

>By opposing the EU, you're playing in the hand of those who want to control us.
And who is that, the United States? I vastly prefer them to the EU. The US constitution alone is better then the entire European project

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>>131276051
>If it did, it would have less trouble than Italy
you don't really have even a single clue about economy. stop making yourself ridicolous

>>131265397
>never worked with germana

>>131276241
we are under german currency control and still people wonder why our economy is falling

>>131276203
>Almost every problem of our economy comes from EU

No. No, they don't. They stem from Italian administrations, and the outrageous omnipresent corruption in Italy. It made your banks decrepit and your fiscal burden unbearable. I remind you again, no German has influence or even encouraged encouraged this development, it's 100% courtesy of Italy. Meanwhile, Germany is the least corrupt country in Europe. You have absolutely nothing of substance to convince anyone that Italy's current state isn't your fault alone.

>>131276573
Germany, what the fuck.
You are the most corrupted country in the entire world and dare to accuse others?
Check the numbers.
You are totally brainwashed.

>>131276372
>And who is that, the United States? I vastly prefer them to the EU

That's idiotic.

>>131276712
https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2016

As you can see, Germany is a beacon of justice compared to Italy.

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>>131264933

You think they fucked Europe well enough? Wait a bit, they have more ambitious plans.

>>131276573
Again, all your bank were rotten (and still are) you used 500 bilions of public money, you asked to Berlusconi if you could and he said "no problem".

Italian banks were totally solid but 8 fucking years of austerity destoryed them, and now that we had to put money in them we have fucking Merkel that says "nein nein nein ein zwein".
You cheat every rule.

>>131276573
>It made your banks decrepit
banks that exist since 600 years and started falling apart right after euro. but it's all because of us right Mesut?
topkek

>>131276871
>but it's all because of us right Mesut?

Indeed. Great ancestry doesn't guarantee a great nation. Italy is living proof, as is all of the Mediterranean. The inheritors of Rome, Greece and Phoenicia all wallowing in their own filth while the children of the barbarians make bank.

>>131276832
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
again this shit.
A stuff made by Germans and founded by the most corrupted society in the world
>Siemens
You Germans are so stupid.
"Perception"
Survey
"Ehi, is your country corrupted?"
"Well I saw it is high on the list of perception of corruption, so I think yes..:"
32 bilions of tax evasion scandals last weeks.
You are rotten people Krauts.
The average is so fucking dumb that drinks all the most dumb narrative of the moment.

>>131272173
No thanks Hans I'd rather reap the benefits of your hard work than doing it myself >>131271908

>>131277031
how retarded are you? what in the everliving fuck does anchestry have to do with banks? get some clue about what you're talking about before making yourself ridicolous you fucking roach