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This is currently being advertised and people are reacting as if it is a new economic concept. People don't seem to be aware that both parties are expected to pay taxes based the value of the services being provided. Judging by the comments, many people don't realize they are now logging their bartering at a centralized service that will be easily reported and taxable. Imagine the IRS showing up at your door because you traded blowjobs with someone.
What gets me is that I get a strong sonce that those looking to beat the system and avoid taxes are the same who want you to pay for refugees, dindu, and illegal aliens to get their gibs.

http://www.postbulletin.com/business/tech-startups-founded-by-women-have-twice-the-number-of/article_348cf459-1520-5fc8-9391-c793af2b8c42.html
https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/16/simbi-raises-1-2-million-to-make-bartering-services-easy-online/
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>>131262722
I need a haircut - I need a new car
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>>131262926
I feel like it would be fun to exploit this by offering something cheap to trade and getting women to do things like make my bed and do my dishes.
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>>131262722
>Racial speechcraft modifier privilege
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>>131263285
currency was one of the earliest forms of writing to keep track of what was owed through barter.
clay pots were made and token type things were put in them (to indicate what was owed - one x meant one bag of wheat, one y meant one goat etc.), then clay pots were engraved/stamped with symbols. soon after they stopped using pots and just stamped clay tablets.
currency is a result of barter, going back to barter is a step backwards that will end up having to have something to keep track of what is owed.
also, theres the issue that a service may be worth more than one of service/item that the other person has
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>>131262926

I need a haircut - I need a thermo-nuclear, astrophysicist super scientist with 12 Ph.Ds.

Welcome to the Symbolic Economy.
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>>131263744
where the largest sum of capital is enough for todays coffee and smashed avo
>inb4 stupid idea that the barber owes them 5000 haircuts
they should all be charged with tax evasion
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>>131263622
Reinventing the wheel.

>>131263744
That's a lot of haircuts.

What will you guys trade for those doubles?
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>>131263994
Nice inb4, but what are you referring to? Todays haircut being worth less value in tomorrow's economy?
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>>131264157
nah for>>131263744
>5000 is just a number, I was getting at a ridiculous amount would be owed
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From the site:

>Members exchange services directly, or use >simbi, “” — our internal credits, to >compensate one another. Earn simbi and gain >access to creative, life-enhancing services >that allow you to live what you love, no money >required.

So basically money.
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>>131262722
>letting a woman fix your laptop
>having a laptop in the first place

disgusting
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>>131262722
this is retarded. money is literally abstracted work to do exactly this
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>>131262926
if there only was something that made transactions of goods and services easier. like a standardized unit of worth.
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I don't like the simbi idea, but I do like the idea of a site where people can trade skills. We need to do this more, it builds community.
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>>131262722
I looked into this because I have a real skill. It's an endless stream of plus size danger hairs willing to trade poems/drawings/conversations for cars or 2bedrooms in the north end of Boston.
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>>131264582
is simbi even a cryptocurrency? Are they just reinventing a government controlled fiat economy, but worse.
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>>131262722
If only we had some way of assigning numerical value to people's labour, so that they could store their labour and exchange it universally.
Oh wait, that's money
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>>131262722

I wonder if I can repair Trudeau's cuckshed for a joint and some maple syrup?
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>>131264582
Their site seriously has their own currency and they think there's no money involved?

What kind of retards made this? Or are they doing it (((intentionally)))?
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Nice
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>>131262722
This is good if only for pissing off kikes.
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>>131262722
How is this service different from Craigslist? What can you do with this that you can't do with Craigslist?
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>>131265303
He thinks his degeneracy is a service. Wow.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>131265303
Funny all these """men""" keep attention whoring and uploading photos of themselves like women do.
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>>131265436
what's the "units" thing?
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>>131265436
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>>131265128
Why is this exactly what I expected?
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>>131265303
>mrdocal consult
SURE i'll check out your genital rash
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>>131265525
Like chaterbate tokens, but exchangeable for conversations with dudes that cut their dicks off.
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>>131265563
this had to happen at some point, if people can make money playing games, make money on ads on videos of people playing games, and make money on ads of people reacting to people playing games, then, of course, someone could just make money from reacting to someone playing games directly.
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>>131262722
Look gurl, you give me the succ and I set up that PC for ya.
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>>131264822
da hell you have against laptops?
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>>131264582
It's not money because you can use money for something worthwhile.
>access to creative, life-enhancing services that allow you to live what you love, no money required
sounds like a whole lot of nothing.
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>>131265768
is that to do with the barter thing? I don't understand what you kids do these days
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>>131265563
So this is the power of bartering.....
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>>131262722
That is communism in its core. It just takes a thing and another thing and disregards entirely how many people need the first thing and the second thing, how hard to make/do the first or the second thing is, and what sort of resources it requires or are expended in its manufacture/creation. Even fiat money is better than this.
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>>131265885
His battlestation is rigged like norad and he roasts warm dick laptop plebs all day long.
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young social entrepreneur
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Wait, how would this even work ? It needs to be regulated, or its easily exploitable. Regulating it consumes money and it will lead to people bitching and moaning. Soon it will be that you have to pay for it and then it just ends up that u fucking pay for service to get another service and you have to work for that service as well. Who makes sure services occured ? What if I set up some high costibg servicw, my friend uses it and we just log in that such service occured but nothing happened and then I can fullfil my dream of talking to a fucking tranny squirrelkin ?
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>>131265945
do people just use it to shitpost? or do they really think people would find these things valuable?
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>>131262722
I want 50$ - I want my dick sucked.
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>>131265044
Get the fuck out of here with your central bank shilling. I have to deal with enough of that listening to my friends harp on about Hamilton.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_exchange_trading_system
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>>131265957
fu schlomo
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>>131266125
They are just stupid or desperate
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>>131265912
You actually have to spend money on the units, or do a bunch of actual high value shit (remodel a kitchen) for purple hairs to get them. Then, you can talk to dudes about the patriarchy.
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>>131266097
read this, it keeps getting better
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>>131266176
>fu schlomo
really?
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yes the barter system doesnt work its bad for you take a loan and just buy your stuff for FREE instead.
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Is he our guy?

>>131266097
Yeah, it's one of "those".
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>>131266243
I feel sorry for everyone.
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Right, how long will it take for a first /pol/ redpilling channel opens up?

>"Talk with a shitlord"
>"Life advice from a white supremacist"
>"The Klan and U: How to get in the FBI in three easy steps!"
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>>131262722
>do X and get Y tokens as proof of labor and service to society
What a novel concept.
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>>131262722
Taxes are payment for use of the monetary system. If you use barter or other monetary systems, you should not pay taxes, related to use of the monetary system.
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>>131266275
>look I really need yoga
Said no one ever
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>>131266765
I need no Mexicans - I need to Built that Wall
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>>131266434
bartering is illegal in every single nation on earth for this reason.
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>>131265436
we should talk to him, holy shit

redpill him on the jews
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>>131266434
Tax on crypto gains suggests otherwise
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>>131262722
>Go to the website, she this.

Gee why am I no surprised that these degenerates have no money, and are probably trying to trade sex for services.
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>>131266408
>>131266408
>I feel sorry for everyone
From each according to his ability to each according to his need. :^)
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>>131267234
it has to be legal in the usa if this company is doing this
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>>131263285
>to do things like make my bed and do my dishes.
Why not a blowjob or something?
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>>131267743
>no company has ever started off doing something illegal!

you are really daft aren't you mate
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>>131267743
Batter is tax free here, as far as I'm aware. Unless it's been changed fairly recently.
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>>131267810
i mean, they have had funding from ycombinator. there has to be a legal framework they are working with
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>>131262722
SIGN ME UP MATE

>too lazy to change the bird to the Reichsadler
>tfw committing a hate crime

Feels great pal.
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>>131267874
>there has to be a legal framework they are working with

try to make an impact and make regulators figure it out to your benefit. it's a risk strategy that will fail. we are screaming toward indentured servitude
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>>131262722
>Going back to a method not widely used for thousands of years because it's outdated and ineffective
>"So new and innovative!"
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>>131267966
Should've wrote "Need a hooker and some blow"
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>>131266275
>Look i really need yoga

HAHAHAH
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>>131262722

Back to the barter system? yea real revolutionary
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>>131262722
>Imagine the IRS showing up at your door because you traded blowjobs with someone.

they get a third of a blowjob. saying you wont suck their dicks makes you guilty of tax evasion
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>>131262722
you're scared kike, I can smell it
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>>131262722
I need a haircut - I need a good haircut
you know, i think i'll just pay someone with the necessary skills so they can slot me in to their finite schedule within a reasonable period of time
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>>131262722
woah that's awesome. but maybe i can make the system even better. see it's actually quite rare for a double coincidence of wants to occur between two individuals, so how about some form of mutually wanted medium of exchange. i feel like i'm on to something here
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Will trade some rare Pepe's if some one will cut my grass
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>>131262722
Do we need to list all the advantages money has over barter? It was invented for a reason ffs.
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>>131268655
Do you even have grass in australia?
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>>131262722
So... is she going to ask her boyfriend to fix is laptop, and he's going to be gay and cut her hair?
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prostitution is illegal in the USA correct?
Make accounts and start offering blowjobs and sex for exchange of services, they will be shut down pretty quick.
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>>131268786
It looks like this
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>>131265044
This...

the only thing is "standardized" has a lot of subjectivity in it, and the government jew always needs his cut.
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>>131266434
26 U.S. Code § 61 - Gross income defined
(a) General definitionExcept as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:
(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items;
(2) Gross income derived from business;
(3) Gains derived from dealings in property;
(4) Interest;
(5) Rents;
(6) Royalties;
(7) Dividends;
(8) Alimony and separate maintenance payments;
(9) Annuities;
(10) Income from life insurance and endowment contracts;
(11) Pensions;
(12) Income from discharge of indebtedness;
(13) Distributive share of partnership gross income;
(14) Income in respect of a decedent; and
(15) Income from an interest in an estate or trust.
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>>131268645
Such a mutually agreed upon medium of exchange could also be used to place a value on different goods and services and be easily divisible, and it could hold that value so it can used later than the time of barter.
Shit man we're on the precipice of something big!
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>>131262722
This kind of business has existed for a long time, but more so on the corporate side. They call themselves "bartering facilitators" or things like that.

Imagine you own a restaurant and you are a member of one of these groups, and there is another member that is a silverware company. Maybe you can get them to give you some silverware in exchange for gift cards to your restaurant, which they can then hand out to clients, etc...

The thing that doesn't work about it is there is always a "barter currency" which is basically money, and which they can conjure up at will. What ends up happening is the higher ups at these "bartering facilitator" companies start paying themselves "bonuses" of this currency and abuse it. It ends up coming off as a scam, some members stop accepting the scambucks, everyone gets mad, etc, etc.
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>>131269033
been to Australia, can verify, and add that there is also huge fucking spiders and deadly snakes lurking in it.

If there even is grass, 90% of the place is covered in scorched dirt and white criminal-descendants that's think putting an -ee at the end of everything is somehow understandable slang.
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>>131262722
Barter is the only redpilled way to conduct economy
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>>131269658
Hey I'll give you this money if you do this?
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>>131269588
So Australia is Wilderness? with ex con high level NPC's and high level monsters?
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>>131269725
yes monetary economy is a for of bartering but at a level of granularity that is too important for it to work smoothly.
There never was "crash" or "systemic crisis" with bartering
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>>131269827
So like I want a Samsung S8, I'll let my neighbor build it? where do I find the person to exchange me that phone.
Or what should I trade instead?
When working at a law firm and a client is pleased with my work, he'll give me bag of peanuts like in "To kill a mockingbird"
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As much as I wish we still lived in small agrarian societies, money is unfortunately the only way to standardize value in our massive countries

The very fact you have to use the Internet to find people with valuable skills is a testament to this, we can't even rely on our immediate communities
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none of you have figured this out yet

make an account
offer life advice, facts, etc.
and then just drop redpills


better yet, offer "a conversation with a jew" and then talk about how the goyim are slaves.
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>>131262722
>What gets me is that I get a strong sonce that those looking to beat the system and avoid taxes are the same who want you to pay for refugees, dindu, and illegal aliens to get their gibs.
Are you actually saying that cheating the tax jew and system of your money isn't redpilled? Even shoplifting is, we do not live in a society respecting our interests, so why should we provide for it if we have nothing in return? I receive free education and healthcare, subsidized rented apartment, yet I don't work oficially and cheat (((government))), and (((global corporations))) every time I can. I don't think that is somehow wrong - I help my fellow countrymen every time I see an opportunity, donate blood and old clothes, raise awareness issues like statism and illegal immigration via social networks and IRL.
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>>131262722
Define illegal alien
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>>131262722
Of course the stronk womyn with the problem glass and degenerate ear piercing can fix laptop.

Because she's "like, totally geek as fuck"
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>>131269988
Well that's a good question actually.
The fluidity of non monetary market is always a point brought up against it.
When I did my Phd on nonmonetary economics, my conclusions were that with the help of a centralized market, and a universal common good for trade you can overcome all difficulties.
Also another advantage of barte is that people lead a more simple life, a more natural life.
Note : Universala common good : this does not mean money, it has to be a common good with real values not just a piece of paper
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>>131269775
>So Australia is Wilderness? with ex con high level NPC's and high level monsters
No the people are nice, hard to understand, but nice. Just make sure you add all your talent points to agility to avoid the random brown snake lurking in the bushes by bench you're sitting on.

>>131269827
maybe the system we're using has evolved from bartering, so returning to a bartering system would be step back, and the focus should be on fixing the system were currently in.
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>>131265125

Same, I have a lot of small skills I would never ask someone to pay me for but I wouldn't mind doing as a small favour for equally small favours.
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>>131262722
>Barter is a new concept.
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Millenials are so fucking retarded. And I love how it has one of those cliche single-word start-up names. Simbi. Kill me.
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So it's like a retarded version of the UK website Streetlife or whatever it rebranded itself as which allows local skilled tradesmen an opportunity to sell their skills whereby they forget that actually money is a pretty fucking good way of simplifying things for us?

Is this another thing of the globalists trying to shit all over the self-employed?
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>>131267966
Should be lebensraum
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>>131262722
I need someone to build me a new car
Will trade 1 order of taking out your trash.

I like this system.
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Isn't this what hitler did with his international trading policy? To just skip loans and interest all together? Just barter.
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>>131269827
You don't think bartering could crash?

What happens when crops die and there's a run on wheat?
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>>131270328
The problem like Aristotle said was that people gave value to money which is/was just a mean of barter?
So the idea is to remove money and start trading in gold? which has the same means as money or with for example gold you want to remove the possibility to make money from thin air?
So we have lets say 100 million goldcoins or just pieces of gold, then we should remove most of the people on earth from civilization and let them go back to stone age.
Why did industrialization happened? for us to be able to specialize and not to work in farms and trade our gathered goods, I can be a blacksmith and eat, if a farmer gives me one chicken in exchange of my goods, there aren't always people who want chicken in exchange of metal.
It was made to conserve time.
So shoot, let's have a discussion.
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>>131270328
hold up
you have a phd in nonmonetary economics?
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>>131264582
Itchy and Scratchy dollars are just like regular dollars, but more fun!
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>>131270824
I believe he's in finance or economics, he did his PhD work to finish the studies, on nonmonetary subject.
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>>131270164
i agree with the anti-tax stuff, but everything else you said is pure degeneracy
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>>131262722
notice how much cringy forced diversity they included in that pic

>faggot hairdresser male with blue hair
>nonwhite IT woman with a billion piercings

i bet they had a meeting on this subject
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>>131270347
maybe, but maybe not : the renaissance was rerutn to our roman-greek root, and it was not a step back. If anything it was a huge step forward
Same thing with barter
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>>131265284
women
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>>131262722
Haircut 20 dollar
Fixing laptop 700 dollar
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>>131271275
>Artist using simplistic style that doesn't even include facial features
>Sends the draft
>Feedback: "UHHH, OK UMM, THAT'S GOOD BUT CAN YOU SHOW THAT SHE HAS LOTS OF PIERCINGS?"
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>>131271307
"money" is a stand in for work at time, it allows "transactions" to occur that wouldn't be possible without some idea of forecasted work and time. This system we're in is honestly the best system, it just needs to be dialed in.
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>>131262722
>if it is a new economic concept
>new

It's not new, it's illegal, it always been.
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>>131269827
>Everyone wants to "plus" off of one another (i.e. I offer haircuts in exchange for iPads)
>No one actually ends up bartering anything
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>>131262722
They do realize that this shit is literally illegal, right? Like kick in your door, and fuck up all your shit; illegal.
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>>131271566
im pretty sure favors aren't illegal
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>>131266226
Make her tweet Hitler did nothing wrong
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My god I just went on this site.
What a bunch of worthless fucks.
I've never felt so valuable in my life.
These people want to trade their skills?
They have none.
For example, "I'll teach the basics of house sitting"
"Show you how to set up an Eco friendly household"
"I'll watch you play video games" ?!?!?
What?
The only person I saw on there with an actual skill wasn't even offering said skill- "Ask a massage therapist anything"
Is this society full of completely useless individuals?
"Tarot card readers", "spirt guides" WTF did these people really think that these were skills that were going to sustain them in the grown up world?
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>>131271566

>Illegal

Fucking how? We barter services or goods in kind all the time in my company. You just whack an arbitrary amount of cash against it so it looks fine in the books and make it non-taxable income.
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>>131271566
How mentally ill are you? It isn't "illegal" to fucking wash a car in exchange for your friend to sweep your basement. The fuck is wrong with your niggers. Why are retarded people always from leafland and pizzaland, jesus christ.
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>>131271856

Because they're so used to the government ruling every little aspect of their lives they can't conceive of intervention free private enterprise.
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>>131271802
>"Tarot card readers", "spirt guides" WTF did these people really think that these were skills that were going to sustain them in the grown up world?
nope, that's why they're there
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>>131271856
If you do a business based on barter you can be jailed for tax evasion.
I didn't made the laws.
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>>131271415
>Fixing laptop 700 dollar


is an apple genius fixing your laptop?
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>>131262722
lol i like how they made the girl the laptop repairer and the guy the barber
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>>131272089
Laptops are not meant to be fixed, youre supposed to buy a new one, most of the hardware is made for that one model alone and has to be ordered pretty much from the factory in China, super expensive, in many cases it's cheaper to just buy a new one.
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>>131262722
>i need a haircut
>i need my laptop fixed

thats not the same value at all, this system is fuckin communism if it was dropped on the head when it was a child.
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>>131271856
Please forgive our ignorance Burger bro. But here in the socialist countries such activities are illegal. It is considered tax-evasion. There is no way for a socialist country to rake in enough tax-revenue if people were allowed to help each other without involving big-state in the project.
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>>131267743
The company is not bartering. They are reporting these people to the IRS.
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>>131272472
Except for the hard drive, which is the most common piece of hardware to fail.
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>>131263285
Yes this! If you spread the chores among different women they don't even know they are doing traditional work but in a more distributed and division of labour-like manner
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>>131267990
Hawaii is looking into basic income because muh robots after a politician went on Reddit. Not even joking.
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>>131272558
In newer laptops the SSDs are part of the mainboard goy. pay up.
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>>131268398
Right. Don't go trading your nose piercing advice for free, goy. How will the kikes every recover?
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>>131265030
So basically the company that offers this service wants to be a bank, but even better: their own currency
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Somebody sign up under the name of Adolf H. and offer Pest Extermination services in exchange for information about stolen gold.
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>>131272472
do you have lame brain?
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>>131272742
I guess you're right. It's been a long time since I've opened up a laptop.
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>>131269429
Probably why it's illegal to create your own currency here. For some reason digital credits are allowed though. I guess it's the same way in which Disney money is allowed.
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>>131270124
Thanks, moo elf. I'm offering to help discern between Jews and white people.
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>>131270164
No, I wasn't speaking to that topic. I was implying that it's hypocritical for the people who endeavor to avoid paying taxes to simultaneously want government funded welfare programs they're not willing to contribute to.
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>>131272977
A while back hard rock cafe issued "tokens" that too clearly represented a general value. That have to pay through their noses to settle that. Sigh, no Hard Rock Cafe in this country no more a few years later.
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>>131271802
The site is built around the concept of making people feel valuable. That's actually in their pitch, somewhere. Some shit about "You are not your job or the skills you offer society! You are valuable for who you are, you special snowflake!"
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>>131270124
Kek yes, "talk with a rabbi"
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>>131272977
>>131273177
BRAISE GEK
WILL DRADE DOBS FOR A BASED BLAG MAN
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>>131273177
see >>131273895

keep it subtle

alternatively, we could just try
>An honest conversation with a National Socialist
and see what happens
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>>131270124
Absolutely fucking this
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>>131262722
>both parties are expected to pay taxes based the value of the services being provided

hol up hol up

so me and my neighbor owe taxes for the years we've been doing DIY work for each other? presume this is just a clapistan thing
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>>131262722
Wow, liberals finally reached caveman levels

In a few decades they might realize some goods and services take longer time and more experience to create and their value will be represented by, say, cocoa beans, seashells or rare metals
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>>131265885
Obsolete. Tablets and smart phones can do everything a laptop used to do and are much more convenient to carry around. For everything else, there's a Desktop. If you've bought a laptop post 2010, you are a moron.
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>>131275323
>Desktop
>>>/v/
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>>131265303

they still use a currency or wat is that s) symbol?
so much for no money required.
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>>131275323
Try to use office suit while traveling, faggot. Laptops are work-horses, that was their original intended use
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>>131266434
Thats fine, but we take your social security number and you are denied access to anything tax payer funded.
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>>131266411
Unironically if you want to make insane money, offer white babies to black women

There's tons of money in it, and if you have a connection you can sell foodstamps to, you'll make insane amounts of money
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>>131266275
>i sought a radically different path
>opens yoga studio
Ahhhhhhahahahahhaha
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>>131264582
> i need simbi - i need $$$
and the good goyim proceed to trade their money into simbi
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>>131266243
So they created a website to make bartering easier by using a common medium of exchange? I can't believe no one ever thought of this before.
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>>131264582
>>131266275
YouTube has free yoga classes
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>>131266275
>Look, I really need yoga
>people offered me chiropractic and accounting services in exchange for yoga lessons
yeah, this story is bullshit
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>>131267966
should have made it "I need my dick sucked"
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>>131275323
Utterly retarded. Try getting your work done on a tablet, and you realize they're just playthings. Didn't you see the tablet where they thought it was a good idea to carry a separate keyboard around and stick it to your shitty tablet so now you can at least do SOMETHING?
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>>131275323
That's why the internet tubes are being clogged up with girl hair.
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>>131275733
Who are these wealthy black ladies who want white babies?
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I'm an electrician. I think that I might try to get some nasty SJW pussy off of this in exchange for work. The only problem is that these people don't tend to live near me.
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This is like that scene from South Park's "Die Hippie, Die" episode.
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>>131265525
it's a currency. you know, like in every bartering system that lasts more than two days.
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>>131265128
Post pictures. That would be fun
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>>131266097
Thank God he built them internet cafes. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to poorly Phish retards.
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>>131275323
tablets are dying out
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>>131262722


Why not - instead of having a direct exchange - have some sort of exchange medium for more flexibility and keeping track of what's owed? Let's say, she fixes his computer and receives something for it which she can pay him with later on to cut her hair!

Let's call it...

money!
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>>131273727
>you are not yout job...special snowflake"
Yes you should be valued because you love the sound of rainshowers and write pretty poetry.
Bullshit.
If you're not producing in society you're a leach apon it.
These people need to be woken to the fact that no one needs their fucking aroma therapy skills.
In the case of financial system breakdown or complete social upheaval these motherfuckers will be sucking dick on the corner for breadcrumbs.
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We could hire a shill guys.

What should we make him say?

https://simbi.com/kiley-bush/straw-man-for-hire
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>>131275323
I love how nobody checked the flag
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>>131279259
But anon, machines took my job at McDonald's! What am I supposed to do until Hawaii implements their basic income plan they literally got from Reddit?
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/15/15806870/hawaii-universal-basic-income
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>>131280575
Why not archive? https://archive.is/goH7P
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>>131279482
Anon is this you? I'm calling bullshit at "liberal intellectual parents." Peace Corps was convincing though.
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>>131280614
Because you're my archive bitch. A damned fine one at that.
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>>131275733
unironically, you're an idiot
child support would be your ruin, no matter how many unenforceable agreements you sign
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>>131262722
Barter is only viable in case of some not really big fixed society. Mostly because barter trade is a tradition in such a society, with fixed "prices" and long term usefullness for both sides.
Whenever barter replace money system, you had to search for that one and only and, maybe, nonexisting specialist that simultaneously can do what you want and need services you can do for him. While money is accepted everywhere by almost everyone.
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>>131281841
I thought he was talking about kidnapping and selling children. Because AnCap.
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>>131283473
Very succinctly described. Otherwise you have a vidya sidequesy where you must perform a service for someone else to perform a service for someone else to perform the service of the person you originally required services from.
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>>131262722
A woman can fix a laptop, a man can do a hair cut, I mean the man isn't gay or a woman isn't trans, we can't depend on gender stereotypes.
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>>131264582
Poor millinials, antifa, and sjw will starve because they have no talents, or the barter market would be flooded with photography and "artists".
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>cant pay taxes with this
>cant get food with this

What kind of Neo-Commie bullshit is this?
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>>131262722
The other problem is that the value of the services being traded is not equal, even in the presence of supply/demand dynamics and personal utility bias.
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>>131283895
I want to buy apple.
I go to work, do my job, get money, go to store/market/some farmer friend/etc, pay them money and get an apple.

I want to trade an apple for my service.
I need to find out, who gives you apples, find out entire chain, which would vary from 1 to several milliards in worse case (and usually it would be from 3 to 50 different humans, which, including wasted transport time, is a shitload of time), then wait until everyone would finish their part of chain of work and only then will get this motherfucking apple. While also rememvering, that i need to pay in my job for electricity and other stuff. And for other food. And for some entertainment. And have time to do all transport thingies, job thingies, relaxation time thingies.

I had strong feeling someone will advice to make some "job tickets", which would have valuse depending of lost time and job done. And that would be money as they are right now, but with base value not supported by something like gold.
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>>131284032
Really the only people making money off millennial SJWisms are older generations.
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This "hip" art style of solid-colored blobs without facial features needs to die.
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>>131265945
which one am I asking to?
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>>131284530
Minimalism? I've seen a few that were neat, but somehow it took over the shitty internet based startup industry. Pretty sure that industry is sustained by these startups getting massive funding from plebs and spending on each other.
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>>131264822
>ooga booga bix nood
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>>131266285
plot twist: /pol/ is just jews jewing jews
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>>131284530
babby's first Illustrator lesson
somehow they turned it into a viable marketing product
now any mug with a face and a mouse to bash it with can do illustrative design
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>>131285648
That explains the Trump presidency perfectly. Meanwhile, have you noticed public opinion again Muslims has grown?
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>>131266275

If this is real and this is a look into a liberal mind then I honestly think those people are suffering and we should put them out of their misery. It hurts reading this
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>>131271856
I know of businesses which have done bartering schemes to specifically avoid paying taxes for both parties, like trading advertising for discounts on vehicles.
This form of transaction would be considered tax avoidance in Canada, because they are trading services that would be taxable under the normal operation and conduct of both their businesses.

It's fucking gay but it's not like the kike government has agents sniffing around for tax irregularities from barter. Hell, the gov can hardly even detect blatant blown money laundering.
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>>131270328
>a universal common good for trade
>Note : Universala common good : this does not mean money, it has to be a common good with real values not just a piece of paper
Of course you realize that if you're using it like currency, it is currency.
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>>131270124
Absolutely Subversive.jpg
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>>131262722
cut hair = laptop repair? Symbiotic Economy....changing the name from communism wont make it work. A broke system is a broke system.
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>>131262722
I cut my own hair and have never had to get PC repair in the 20 years ive owned computers. Fuck off
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>>131262722

There's a reason why barter economies don't work well.
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>>131265044
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>>131267315
iirc you only pay taxes when you convert them back to fiat
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>>131262722
So if you agree to fix their computer or build a deck or something, do they pay for the parts/materials needed?
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>>131266275
>my ex and I
Nothing exudes success like repeatedly mentioning your failed relationship.
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>>131265945
>>131265563
So this is immediately becoming a service for hookers and child traffickers. Got it.
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This app is going to become a joke once most women realise they only have their body to offer.
Most of their jobs are like working with clients, talking, filling papers or doing other replaceable stupid shit.
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>>131271331
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>>131289611
>This app is going to become a joke once most women realise they only have their body to offer.
Most people using this app will be women exchanging their body for services. What the fuck do you think "I'll watch you play video games" means?
>>131265563
She's a hooker.

This will ONLY become hooker bartering.
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>>131272472
I fixed the broken screen of my 2 year old $700 laptop using google and a $50 replacement screen.

I have almost no training or experience with electronics. I'm just not a moron.

Its not that hard to find equivalent parts for your laptop, at-least for common things like screens.
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>>131272977
No you can't create your own currency because then people could have a viable to (((their))) currency and would be able to get away from using debtbux.
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>>131265044
Except the government can't tax this and the money we use currently is objectively worthless outside of the government threatening people/countries that won't use it
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>>131264582
>"I know an alternative to having to use money to exchange goods, this will revolutionise the economy forever"
>"we'll keep using money but simply call it something else"
Fucking brilliant
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>>131265284
>Or are they doing it (((intentionally)))?
Obviously
They have to make money somehow, wouldn't surprise me if in a few months you can simply buy and sell your simbi, while they take a big markup of course.
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>>131290688
lmao, so it's worthless where?
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>>131275323
My laptop has WAY more computing power than a dumbphone or a craplet, doesn't have a shitty OS, and is mobile.

Desktops are by far the best for getting work done, but laptops are supreme when it comes to getting work done and being mobile. Tablets are a joke and smartphones are next to useless for anything more than internet browsing or playing silly games.
>>
Any income tax is useless and prone to corruption, sales taxes are superior
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>>131292112
It's a Commie, he will parrot any retarded phrase that he thinks will help him turn others into leftists. Nevermind the fact that every single place you can exchange goods in will accept currency (including ordinary people you meet in your everyday life, not just stores), enough so that some currency is even accepted in countries it isn't even printed in, like Russians accepting dollars.
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>>131275001
>what is black labor
highly improbable that they'll ever go after you for that because it's probably impossible to prove - but for that app they'll have a database including everything that has been done. and the tax office WILL make sure to get its hands on that
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>>131263285
>Silicon valley Anon reinvents marriage with his new app
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>>131291368
sounds like pretty much all high level politics to be honest

>ECB is financing European countries, which is explicitly forbidden
>but it's called differently so that's totally fine

It's all (((semantics))) at the higher levels.
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>>131290688
>Except the government can't tax this

If there's one thing they'll never forgive it's tax evasion done by the average guy.
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>>131294211
They will burn down your commune if they find you btw.
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>>131294354
Pretty much, yeah. If you wanna be a rebel, even random murder is probably a better idea than tax evasion.
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>>131262722
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The background and signup button, isn't that a bit odd?
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>>131262722
How the betamale who invented this bartering service thought it would be:
>Yoga for Cabinets!!!
How it will actually be:
>Paint my bedroom for pussy
>Wash my car for pussy
>Fix my toilet for pussy
>Walk my dog for pussy
The girls/women are going to call it "hand holding time" or "intelligent conversation" or "world's best latte! :3"

The writer of this app is just a pimp.
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>>131275859
Hahahaha
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>>131263285
I'd unironically give free 20 minutes - 2 hour therapy sessions for a girl to clean my room.
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>>131262722
Also, this app seems to have brutal debt system in place.

Fixing a laptop isn't worth the price of a haircut typically. Does this mean people with "high scoring" skills will have "low scoring skills"? For example a laptop repair traded for a haircut: Lets state the laptop repair is roughly $500 worth of services and the haircut is $20. Does the hair cutter have to then give 2 years worth of haircuts to make up for the laptop repair?

How fucked over would the hair cutter be after bartering their time away after a while?
>"Sorry, I'm booked full time for the next ten years cutting hair all day to pay back my debts for all these home repairs."
Sounds like this app creates more problems than it solves.
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>>131297391
This.
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A lot of you guys seem to be overestimating how much turning a laptop on and off should cost
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>>131266434
Not here in the states
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>>131262722
why can't this generation cannot do anything without an app or website to hold their hand
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>>131262722
>A haircut ever having the same value as fixing a laptop
lol
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>>131301358
>Implying literally anyone would fill this out
topkek
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>>131301358

no one is going to do this. there is absolutely no way to track it, aside from them filling this shit out. it's like saying people manually put the actual amount of cash tips they receive just so they can pay more taxes on it. no one does this shit.
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>>131303623

it may be for the person who has no idea how computers work but can cut hair easily
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>>131262722
Wow. Barter. How original. The glaring flaw I see is the part that equates talent with currency. That's like saying trees equal lumber. Trees have the potential to become lumber, talent has the potential to become skill. In both cases it takes an investment of time and effort to convert a potential into a commodity.

In both cases the potential is also tradeable, but at a considerably lower price point because it's a bulk commodity. That's the part that's going to cause this scheme to die out like every other barter trend has since the 60s. People will want retail premium prices for what is essentially job lots of a low grade wholesale commodity.
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>>131295886
But what if the app consents?
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>>131262722
We could do this when civilization reaches it's peak, or the apocalypse.
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>>131263285
An enterprising hooker could come at this from the supply end and make a fortune. Cash, not barter. She comes over at about 6 pm, makes dinner and cleans up afterward. Showers with you, sleeps with you, makes breakfast, showers with you again, does a load of your laundry, and then leaves. Figure, you get a couple of blowjobs and about an hour or so of doggy style or cowgirl out of it.

You get all of the benefits of a wife with none of the downside. She gets 2 meals, 2 showers, a chance to do some laundry, and lodgings for the night plus the agreed-on fee. I could see the fee easily ranging from $200 to $500, depending on looks, personality, and cooking skill.
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