JOIN OR DIE

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>>131256232

>I was only 9 years old.
>I loved Stefan Molyneux so much, I watched all his videos & completely defooed.
>I pray to Molyneux every night before I go to bed, thanking him for the life I have been given.
>"Molyneux is love," I say; "Molyneux is life."
>My dad hears me and calls me a faggot.
>I know he was just jealous of my devotion to Molyneux.
>I called him a statist.
>He slaps me & sends me to go to sleep.
>I'm crying now & my face hurts.
>I lay in bed & it's really cold.
>Suddenly, a warmth is moving towards me... It's Stefan.
>I'm so happy.
>He whispers into my ear "one dollar".
>He grabs me with his powerful philosopher hands & puts me down onto my hands and knees.
>I'm ready.
>He violates my NAP with his personal recreational nuke.
>It hurts so much but I do it for Molyneux.
>I can feel my NAP tearing as my eyes start to water.
>I push against his coercive force.
>I want to please Molyneux.
>He roars a mighty roar as he fills my NAP with his voluntary transaction.
>My dad walks in.
>Molyneux looks him straight in the eyes and says "not an argument".
>Molyneux leaves through my window.
>Molyneux is love. Molyneux is life.

>>131256232
Bump for Pink Floyd

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>>131256325

I want to crush AntiFa to "Run like Hell" Someone needs to bring a sound system and we need to coordinate uniforms. Let's show the REAL Fascists, not this Alt-Light crap.

Also would Goose step to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bViS152LyWU

>Post good music to Crush lefties to /pol/

>>131256294

Even better than shrek one.

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>>131256232
Well said.

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>>131256863

AnCaps just need to get with program. They want some fairy utopia where no one can boss them around and they can be "free". You'd rather that then taking over the world with your brothers? We have a real chance at turing America into a Fascist Empire the likes that will make Nazi Germany Pale in comparison. Can't wait until we march through the streets not a fucking lefty in sight.

>>131256232
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_uZIYY0XR8

>>131256232
your ideology was killed in 1945

>>131257296
We are with the program. It's just the one for people smart enough to realize that to be secure in having control of your own life, you must respect others' desire to control their own.

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>>131257296
It's also important to point out that antifa is more than willing to use violence against anyone who won't go with their anti-nationalistic "progressive" social experiments.
The lolbergs (like the alt-lite) would rather condemn their violence instead of fighting back with their own violence. Violence is the basis for everything. Society itself is held together by an implied (and sometimes direct) form of violence.

When you vote you're exercising political violence because you're using your collective will (through the ballot box) to make political decisions that the state will then enforce through the barrel of a gun.

Revolutionary violence is what overthrows the status quo. Pacifism (which is promoted by the political elites) is what keeps the status quo running smoothly. Most of the prominent lolbergs are in fact completely in favor of the status quo despite larping as revolutionaries. An example would be the fact that the alt-lite decided to hold a counter protest to Richard Spencer's free speech rally which was called "rally against political violence".
Direct action is the only way forward. Anything less is to be shunned. Those on the left understand this. I think the fascists on the right understand this but the right still has pacifists and shills holding it back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htQ5qnOW__o

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>>131257658

Yeah, when are you going to unified in the streets and beating down commies? Or do you need to photoshop another Meme ball about private nukes?

>>131256232
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>>131257810

ON POINT. Can't wait till the AnCaps and Libertarians join us. Shit is going to be insane. Those college sjw punks will have no idea what hit them. The jew is going to shit. The world is going to cower in fear.

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>>131257658
I used to be AnCap until I realized striving for "Freedom" is as stupid as the left striving for "Equality". They are both abstract concepts always out of reach.That there is not such thing as "individualism" or "Collectivism".
>The strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack!
I strive for TRUTH and what is RIGHT! Not the "freedom" to do wrong and be a degenerate. I believe strongly in private property and free enterprise but unrestrained Capitalism seeks nothing more than materialism. it's ultimate goal IS Globalism. It's bottom line is PROFIT over PEOPLE. Your greatest incentive in the free-market is to CORNER the market and pay your workers as little as possible. This does not UNIFIY us brother! There is STRENGTH in UNITIY. And the LEFT is unified like a mass of brained dead zombies moving in lock step … Libertarianism / AnCap stands no chance in combating the Neo-Marxists… Fascism is our only hope. It is more than just a political ideology. It is a SPIRITUAL movement.
There is always a hierarchy in society and laws determined by an elite few. And our leaders must have integrity and a will for his nation to succeed. People are programable, and they can be programmed into having strong character or being meek, brainless, drug addicted liberals.Take a look at the Children of NAZI Germany. They were dignified, wholesome, strong, and had character. Compare this to the American youth of Today. FASCISM breeds real MEN and WOMEN. Not Transexuals and Whores. No friends, my Nation has a DESTINY... To colonize the universe and transcend our physical bodies together as a unified spiritual force. Most of you are Fascist and don't even realize it yet... a divided mass or property owners will amount to nothing against hordes of Neo-Marxists, I know only Fascism can win this battle as it has nearly 100 years ago. Join me and unify the Right so we can Destroy the toxic Left and enter a NEW GOLDEN AGE!!!

>>131257850
As with any other statist shills that might get uppity, whenever it becomes necessary?

It should be obvious to anyone familiar with fringe politics that anarcho-capitalism only opposes the state and not voluntary organization (as ancoms do), but I guess when you're retarded enough to think fascism is a good idea, not actually bothering to understand anything outside your own selfish desires is par for the course.

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>>131256232
Fascism is ok, but you guys don't think about race enough.

This is the song I will play when i slay the third world hordes.

https://youtu.be/3mjtsXaYRV8?t=714

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>>131258208
Agreed to an extent. Although, my only concern is that it seems we are living in the age of the Nietzschian "Last man". A man who is literally worse than even the untermensch. Something that is no longer beast or overman but more of a blob of living matter only seeking to fulfill it's most immediate desires and cravings. I just hope the time isn't too late to destroy societal decadence and degeneracy. The thing we as humans need to do first and foremost is improve ourselves. Get in shape, read books and improve ourselves spiritually. The battle against base desires is the first battle before the real triumph begins. Basically, we don't want to be pic related, i.e. a fat larper.

>>131256232
Convince people on the right and crush the opposition. It's pretty straight forward.

>>131256232
> reee they genocided all the goymuns on polands
Well here's your answer.

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>>131258411

I've read most of Hans Herman Hoppes books and think the man is a genius. Also have read most books on Fascist doctrine and it's
philosophy. My critique of AnCap >>131258253

Even Hoppe knows this AnCap world will never come to fruition unless started by white males with a strong sense of unity. We have become such numales this society will never exist until we have a Fascist regime implemented first. It's sad but true, we are not ready for AnCap yet, it would fall apart at the seams.

>>131258619

Sadly, civic nationalism is our only hope right now. It will red pill everyone on race, and most blacks and beans will want to go bak to their host nation to make it great again with their own Fascist gov.

>>131258802

The cold shower / NoFap pill is a good place to start. Trust me young dudes are so bored with life and hate the left so much we have a chance. Nazi Germany was bad too before they rose. I have faith. The alt-light just needs a good talking to and then they'll join us at least for the edge factor at first.

>>131256294
this is the best version of this pasta my sides are involuntarily taxed (theft) out

>>131258996
Why not push for balkanization instead? Accelerating the death of the liberal social experiment that is the ""United"" States would probably both bring about fascism and ethno-nationalism. I'm not a nationalist to the idea of the U.S. because it represents nothing. I'm a nationalist to the idea of the white race.
>>131259106
True with regards to your first point. As for your second point, I don't really want people like (((Lauren Southern))) or (((Milo))) anywhere near an identitarian or fascistic movement. They won't help anything, they just corrupt everything.

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>>131256232
Thank you. Your tip has been submitted.

>>131258917
why would you ever want an ancap society to be implemented after a fascist one?
then you would just allow the glorious society that the previous fascist regime created to decay into greed, degeneracy and materialistic consumerism

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>>131259342

Just gotta placate these nigguhs feel me.

>>131259342
This desu.

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>>131256232

>dying for daddy

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>>131259236

United States represents more than any other country /anon/ other nations are just about ethnicity. We are about ideals and freedom, finding the NEW WORLD and colonizing it. United States stomps.

Lauren Southern will be at home raising the kids, and Milo will keep his sins for the bedroom and act like a respectable thinking man in public.

>>131259582
Better to die for your Nation as an honorable warrior than to stay home eating pizzarolls and complaining about it.

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>>131259797

Do it, the world will be a better place once the authoritarians die for their leaders

>also, your ancestors died for a 'degenerate western civilization'

>this time its diffrent! - commie, nazi, excuse

>>131259797
sure, but why put yourself in the position where those are the only options?

>>131256232
>implying fascism is authoritarianism
Lol fuck off /leftypol/

>>131260082

I would live in an AnCap nation any day to tell you the truth. I just know it's a fucking pipe dream right now and we as a people are not ready for it, we would slide into degeneracy and the whole thing would crumble, or a state would form. Fascism is the only way forward with the Left TAKING OVER. DON'T LET THEM FOOL YOU. THE E.U. IS JUST AS BAD AS THE SOVIET UNION IF NOT WORSE. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING NOW.

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>>131260145

I'll FUCKING RAPE YOUR MOM ON HER DEATH BED. LEAVE THIS THREAD NOW!!!

>>131256232
>Why is /pol/ opposed to this?
Because the worst of big government and big business will crack down hard on the common man. At least in natsoc nations like Germany, the economy was still relatively free, but the government was still rampant. Sure, NatSoc Germany might have become powerfully relevant if left unchecked (like China, but with father-knows-best state), but after a few dictators it would crumble under its own foot. Liberty and free markets are best.

>>131259721
>United States represents more than any other country /anon/ other nations are just about ethnicity
The United States is about ethnicity to a degree as well but the thing is, over the past 200 years, "white" has become it's own American identity. It represents the European mutt. This isn't necessarily a bad thing and it's an ethnicity that needs to be preserved. With that said, that won't happen unless we accelerate the downfall of the U.S. government. The current state has shown no desire to protect the nation (i.e. the people) and at this point the only way for the nation to be protected is for the current state to be destroyed and replaced with a new state, or in this case, new state(s) divided along cultural and ethnic lines.
>We are about ideals and freedom
Freedom is a lie. There is no such thing as freedom. There are only privileges given to us by the state and weak men will allow them to be taken away. That is why we have lost our "civil liberties" (I put that in quotes because liberties are an illusion). We've become weak, fat and domesticated.
>finding the NEW WORLD and colonizing it.
Technically that happened under the British crown. i.e. an aristocratic system which is objectively superior to classical liberalism.
>Lauren Southern will be at home raising the kids
Fine.
>Milo will keep his sins for the bedroom and act like a respectable thinking man in public.
I don't even care so much that he's a faggot but the fact that he's a pedo and a race mixer means he gets the rope.

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>>131260325

i didn't know freedom meant people doing things that suck`? - facist 'intelectuals'

>>131260429
Fuck off /leftypol/ your false flag threads are colossal failures every time.

>>131260442

>Liberty
Fascist america would be as free or even more free. All these shitty meaningless laws will be uprooted. There only needs to be laws enforcing tradition, not stopping degeneracy.

>Free Markets
The State only acts as a referee in Fascist economy. In OUR CURRENT economy it's a fucking revolving door between corps and gov.

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>>131260456
>>131259721
By the way, I say this as an actual member of a fascist party.

>>131260673
So are you trying for something like natsoc Germany or fascist Italy? Be clear.

>>131256232
I agree. The very reason we are so deep in shit its because of this weak mentality.

We valued "freedom" above anything else and the marxists have abused it to subvert our societies.

But sadly pol consists of immature manchildren who masturbate to the idea of freedom because they are all worthless lazy individuals irl.

>>131260456

Nah G we can win in a free and open election once we have our own party and a strong leader :)

by "Freedom" I mean our rights like carrying firearms, free-speech, and all moral rights.

Yes, the USAs destiny is to explore inner and outer space

Milo will not get the rope. He will be able to redeem himself. He can't reproduce, so once he's gone, he's gone. Let the man live until then.

>>131260457

I didn't know freedom was being a selfish nigger who doesn't fight for his nation and smoking meth / fucking little children in your unicorn fairy AnCap paradise.

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>>131260596

Fascism is not the Left YOU FUCK.

>>131261099
Communism and Socialism are guilty of being fairy tale economic systems. Free Market Capitalism at least works, and I could see it existing without a state (though I prefer minimal state). And in ancap world you can still try your fascist experiments because liberty is key.

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>>131261099

sounds like you would want someone to tell you what to do/what not to do, or is it just that you want to be able to tell others what to do/what not to-

Either you are a hypocrite, or you better hope your leader doesn't ban your favorit toys, its a chance based game.

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>>131260834

No. Our own form of Fascism. They can be inspirations but Fascism is more pragmatic and organic to each nation if that makes any sense. Rome would be another inspiration too. I also want some egyptian aesthetics, even though it makes no sense I think that shits just hard.

>>131261099
>accuse others of being selfish
>we have the same skin color, you should be willing to die for me.

>>131261256

Fascism is not an economic fairy tale. Mussolini's Italy and Hitlers Germany were economic and spiritual miracles.

>>131261179
interesting response
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/image/xDNABkKpCOdrIgp5a3Z1EQ/
so you are /leftypol/

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>>131260951
>Nah G we can win in a free and open election once we have our own party and a strong leader :)
It doesn't work that way. The bureaucracy is so deep that any meaningful reforms by a fascist leader would be quickly stuck down by the supreme court to protect muh constitution.
Parties and candidates are only a means to move the overtone window. They aren't an end goal. The end goal is direct action and revolution.
>by "Freedom" I mean our rights like carrying firearms, free-speech, and all moral rights.
I'm in favor of individual free speech but I'm not in favor of free speech for power brokers/media conglomerates. Gun rights are good too. Although neither of these things classify as "rights". As a said, "rights" can only be granted to us through the state which only makes them privileges.
>Yes, the USAs destiny is to explore inner and outer space
The USA's destiny is to crumble like all great civilizations before it. This is the cyclical nature of history. However, out of it's ashes a new system can rise like a phoenix.
>Milo will not get the rope. He will be able to redeem himself. He can't reproduce, so once he's gone, he's gone. Let the man live until then.
Pedophiles don't get to live.

>>131261408
So you mean a Republic with an economic referee state. It's like the economics of Nazi Germany with a republic like America's.

>>131261497
It is when it's based on centrally planning the economy. When you have redistribution of wealth and other collective schemes in your economic system, be prepared for the pain.

>>131261497
So was Lenin's USSR, for the first few years. The difference is Italy and Germany's centrally planned economies didn't survive long enough past the infrastructure-building phase to see their inevitable implosion..

>>131256232
Based Bob Geldof.
Got to take the culture first.

>>131257470
Wrong faggot. The far-right is far more popular in Europe than the far-left. The pendulum swings our way.

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I think ancap and fascism can be reconciled. They need each other.

The only way ancap works is with a society that's intelligent enough to prosper in a voluntary free market. So, the people who aren't smart enough won't prosper in ancap, i.e. nonwhites and degenerates.

The families that can afford to have kids in ancapistan are all going to be traditional families. The VAST majority of these families will be intelligent, hardworking white families. They will be the ones who can produce enough to support their kids. There won't be any more single mothers or welfare broodmares because the state will not subsidize kids. Women won't be able to marry the government for the gibs. They'll need a stable nuclear family.

So in like 50 years, that's most degenerates and nonwhites wiped out. Capitalism and individualism are core tenets of Western society. A man making himself into the best he can be, and benefiting the entire society as a result.

>But what about the nation, the volk? Individualism, freedom, and capitalism kill a people, right?

Because the free market is made out of voluntary transactions (since by definition there's no coercion or compulsion or mandatory exchanges) people who buy and sell stuff only buy if the product is worth more to them than the money, and the dude selling only sells if the money is worth more to him than the product. It's not a zero sum game. Both parties benefit. They MUST benefit, otherwise they wouldn't agree to trade.

>But what about the worker? Won't there be corporate fascism?

Ancap doesn't prevent private organizations like labor unions from forming and negotiating on behalf of the worker. (Labor unions are really subscription-based negotioation firms.) Labor unions can be a great thing, if there's no local or state government for them to corrupt.

1/?

>>131259236
Goes against the fascist expanding or dying axiom. But a the world certainly needs to reconconstitute itself.

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>>131262058
The economy — the market — is just a bunch of those kinds of mutually-beneficial transactions. This way literally everyone benefits. And you are rewarded in DIRECT proportion to the value you bring to the marketplace.

In other words, you can't make lots of money without providing lots of value that lots of people willingly exchange money for.

Thus far, I have described a utopian ideal. Total freedom and self-responsibility. It's great, but it can't protect itself. Especially not from people who use your freedoms against you. Up until now, it's been pure ancap...

Now here's where the fascism comes into play.

I think ancap and fascism need each other. Ancap needs fascism to destroy the enemies of responsible freedom. Fascism needs ancap to protect it from becoming tyrranical.

This is the role of the fascist side, as I see it:

Deport, jail, or kill communists.
Deport, jail, or kill leftists.
Deport, jail, or kill egalitarians.
Deport, jail, or kill postmodernists.
Deport, jail, or kill democrats.
Deport, jail, or kill non-secular muslims.
Deport, jail, or kill anyone taking actions to instill any kind of equity or equality of outcome or of opportunity.
Deport, jail, or kill central bankers.
Deport, jail, or kill fractional-reserve lenders.
Build a tough military to fight of the forces of ZOG.
Freedom of speech and thought MUST be protected. So, people can say and think anything they want — until they physically do something in the real world. Organize a rally, or protest, or run for senate or for president, vote in a manner that indicates leftism... and you're physically removed.

2/3

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>>131262110

The only way to prevent people from voting away their responsibility, I think, is to have a constitutional elective monarchy/president for life. The constitution bans gibs and all government interference with citizens and businesses. No individual gets any say in the government. Only land owning couples with children. The smallest component, the "atom" that makes up what government there is, would be the family unit. One vote per family. And they vote for 100 senators, like in Rome. The government funds itself by selling services in the marketplace, and import/export tariffs (these don't violate the NAP because you can choose not to import or export and thus legally avoid taxes).

A nationalist capitalist republican monarchy.

National Capitalism, if you will.

>>131261569

I'm down, at least someone on /pol/ isn't a Molymeme dicksucker who lives in fantasy land.

>>131262147
This. Small suggestion - limit the number of family units available per local, and maybe state, governments. Smaller governments make for more responsive legislatures, the same way the best corporations do better as an integrated supply chain of smaller businesses. Also, that allows competing services, like having fire/police coverage from a nearby state, which enforces competition.

>>131262150
Well, I'm a neo-Strasserite. I consider myself both a fascist and a conservative socialist (if that makes sense). So yeah, I'm not exactly a Molyneaux fan. (I just use the NazBol flag because there isn't a Strasserist flag). Although even more right wing fascists such as your typical NatSocs logically need to learn that libertarianism isn't really compatible with fascism. I think a lot of the folks who frequent this board are underage and haven't read a lot of political theory. Although to be fair, it takes time for people to get there politically and philosophically.

>>131262147

Amazing post. Like I said, I'm not opposed to AnCap but it needs Fascism first to get rid of the left, secure territory, and build up the societies character so we don't lose ourselves to materialism that plays of our lowest desires.

>>131262070
>Goes against the fascist expanding or dying axiom.
Could you elaborate on this please?

>>131256232

all authoritarians want humans to be cells in the body that is the state

i prefer to be cancer, and so will every individual be. Sure you can be a king for a while, just hope the day of the rope doesn't come for you, but your children. But it will come

>>131262390
>(I just use the NazBol flag because there isn't a Strasserist flag)

Reminder that Bolshevism was literally created by internationalist Jews, and the hammer and sickle are freemason signs.

Just a thought for "white" "nationalists" who unironically use it. It was created by people who hated nationalism, and a group who hated whites (and still does). If you'd rather use it than "white pride", NatSoc of Fash flags, you're probably trying too hard.

>>131260457
We're did the giant sledge hammer come from, this is why you pseudo intellectual communist atheist lose your battle and arguments you never look at the entire picture

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>>131262870

its meant to represent an idea..
But thats why you anti-intelectuals have problems with mental representations, because you clearly don't understand them

>>131262745
>i prefer to be cancer
Glad to hear you admit that individualism is cancer.
>>131262862
Have you ever actually talked to any (western) natbols? Most of them reject communism and are just left wing nationalists that want a strong state with tight economic controls.
It's just like Juche with NK. Ethno-nationalism that happens to have some commie aesthetics. You're focusing too much on sensationalist words and symbolism as opposed to the ideas that actually exist behind these movements.

>>131262390

Yeah. I understand them. I started off reading Ayn Rand... whom I still admire but she rejects anything metaphysical or spiritual which I think is a mistake, she sees man as just a "man" instead of apart of humanity and something this perfectly balanced universe is manifesting. Individualism and collectivism are false dichotomies. These kids haven't taken the pill that people are programmed. They still want to hang on to a fragile ego.

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>>131263108
it is, and collectivism are cogs in a machine
But always with a leader on top. Life is easier when you aren't in control. But who wants life to be easy, and not be in control?

>>131263113
True. Anyway, I'm going to bed lads.
>>131263195
It's not really about life being "easier". It's about building something larger than yourself and having your legacy live on eternally in the history books through the societies that you have personally helped build.

>>131263108
Individualism isn't cancer, but maybe degenerate pirates are. Collectivism is unnatural, as proven by the Kibbutzim experiments.

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>>131262346
Sounds good. Just have the senate seats divided up like the electoral college.

>>131262528
Fascism and Ancap need each other to be complete. They're masculine and feminine. Once you have a nation that incorporates both, you wouldn't need to get rid of either. Cheers, Anon.

By the way, Molymeme is starting to come over to our side. I don't know how much of his stuff you watch because you seem to dislike him, but he's literally begun championing Christian ideals and morality, gone full nationalist, and has a shitton of videos on race realism (IQ, r/K, crime rate, MAOA gene, single motherhood, etc.), harps on removing kebab, condemns refugees and mass immigration, and is a Western supremacist. He made a video recently about how postmodern leftists can't be argued with. How "the time for arguments has passed."

>>131262528
It's not that I don't agree with a lot of /pol/ fascism, it's just that I'm wary of usurping power because that's what caused the downfall of the grand ol' US of A in the first place. That being said:
>secure territory
The ideal territory for an AnCap state is in international water. Given that, there are two choices - find or make an island. Since most islands are claimed, the best bet is make - which already exists, it's called Ocean thermal energy conversion. Multiple linked small power plants form the basis of such an idea, and it can easily be franchised AnCap style to expand.
>build up societies character
This is the best part of islands - people can preserve their culture, as well as intermingle, all within the confines of island preserves. In modern societies, less than 20% of people even leave the major city they grew up in, much less intermingle and breed - but those few going in between transmit major technological breakthroughs. The beauty of human ingenuity is brought out with maximal diversity - which means a lot of independent societies doing things differently.
>Character and get rid of the left
No promises, but at least we'll have anime

>>131263195
>>131263310

Both are retarded. The strength of the wolf is the pack, the strength of the pack is the wolf. This is why I Fash.

>>131263355
I like using an electoral college for the senate, and using a parliamentary system for a house, and still requiring a bicameral legislature to pass the same bill. With the idea that nothing will ever be passed, period.

>>131263296

Its as good as believing you made a diffrence, while you infact didn't. There is no way to make sure it lasts, there is no way to make sure you impact and legacy aren't being destorted while you are dead.
Nazi germany gave rise to cuckgermany today.

I say, if thats all you want, join a religion, its not that big of a diffrence

the biggest mistak in politics is ignoring the central aspect of the universe, change is constant. Good luck with fighting that.

>>131262058
>>131262110
>>131262147
Ancap doesn't need fascism for shit. The only State you could argue anarco-capitalism needs is a minarcist one, like the socialism to Marx's stateless communism. your deport/jail/kill bullshit is retarded in the first for assuming borders wouldn't be one of the first things to go in the progress towards anarchism, and secondly for imagining a state that initiates force against sympathizers to statism isn't completely counterproductive to guiding human society AWAY from the state.

The spread of the ancap philosophy is the only thing necessary to defending itself against statists. If the commies, you fashies, radical muslims or anyone else tries to claim statehood, then and only then will violence be warranted and there are centuries of history to prove that an organized guerrilla force can take on whatever kind of state military you can throw at them.

>>131263420

too bad change is constant, and the day of the ropes always comes, the facts are stareing you in the face as hard as the communists. But sure, keep saying "real x hasn't been tried yet, im sure it will be a 1000 year reich this time"

>>131263420
Yet there's no proof Individualism is bad or unnatural.

>>131263355
>Fascism and Ancap need each other to be complete
>Once you have a nation that incorporates both
>nation
>ancap

really, how do you not see the blatant contradiction there?

>>131263355

Hahaha, no actually like Stef. But like most philosophical intellectuals they tend to get lost in this perfect world they want to create where everyone is moral and thinks like them. Half the population can't spell "restaurant". I'm a pragmatist and AnCap is going to be A LOT harder to establish than Fascism. Fascism will unite the right and even people on the left. It has been proven to destroy leftist. AnCap hasn't existed yet...

>>131263559
Embrace the change. Design a system where change is easy, not only for the majority but the minority as well. In other words, decentralize the locus of power as far as possible, putting the maximum autonomy of the individual in the hands of their family/community. From there, all you need are obvious limits (and by obvious, I mean hundreds of years of lobbying to change anything), and you quickly arrive at a federation of similar states with small degrees of difference at the edges that would (reluctantly) be willing to use force to defend each other but never to attack.

>>131256232

You're a faggot you think you're a fascist but everyone else thinks your an emo

>>131256232
pretty funny the hammerskins used those hammers to make their logo

wonder what the band thought

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>>131263733
I should have seen through the lies of the Jedi!

>>131263691
a HOA is voluntary compared to a state
yet if a HOA had a racist clause, the state would step in and stop them!
so fuck the state, no contradictions here

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>>131263367

Tfw you think I'll leave this country for an (((island))) before dying to make it better and having the founding father smiling down at me.

There will always be a leader in a society and Free Markets can be cornered even without a state, force will be used. It's like how we got rid of slavery in America, but now we just enslave every 3rd world country. Humans have lived like ants in an ant hill since the dawn of man, we are sheep. We must admit it to ourselves.

>>131263821

indeed, if politics was a science, they would embrace change, and have disagreement as the basis for their model, rather then dreaming up utopia where everyone has to agree inorder for it to be stable

>>131256294
>>Molyneux looks him straight in the eyes and says "not an argument".
Kek'd

>>131256294
>>Molyneux looks him straight in the eyes and says "not an argument".

fucking lost it

>>131264039
>founding fathers smile
Fair enough. You have your gods, I have mine.
>Humans live like ants
This is not the future I want for humanity. I will fight tooth and nail to make sure the next generation of humans lives like kangz, even the niggers. Because it would be fucking cool, dammit.
>admit it to ourselves
NEVER. WE WUZ KANGZ AND ALIENS N SHIIIETTTTTT.

>>131264051
100% that's the idea - we should have a political "laboratory" where we develop it as a fucking science and create hypotheses and test them on a small scale before implementing verified policies on a large one.

>>131264014
you're confusing "ancaps won't murder fashies just for being retarded" with "ancapistan can't exist without fascism"

>>131263623

AnCap means Private borders dude, you will have your nation.

You fail to realize that AnCap does not unite you as a united people with a destiny. You will lose yourself to the system... you will be a cog just like communism that's the irony. Why work for the free market when you can make the free market work for you?

>>131263690

Look at the society you live in compared to Rome under Augustus. Are you half the man those guys were? You work for the material world... you have no spiritual bond between you and the people of your nation

>>131263502
>I like using an electoral college for the senate, and using a parliamentary system for a house, and still requiring a bicameral legislature to pass the same bill. With the idea that nothing will ever be passed, period.

breddy gudd X--DDDDD Then in order for anything to happen, it will require near unanimity.

>>131263623
This state would be voluntary. The services provided are optional, offered on the free market to compete with private firms. The tariffs are avoidable is you choose, so they don't violate the NAP.

This is hardly even a "state". It's more like a national security agency that handles protection of the national NAP. It's more like a nationwide homeowners association.

>>131263691
I do see the contradiction in terms. It's absolute freedom versus absolute control. But both have complementary strengths and weaknesses. Absolute freedom has no inherent defenses. So some form of control is needed to defend freedom. And freedom is needed to prevent "some control" from becoming a tyranny. I'm saying that for ancapistan to be stable and prosperous long-term, it needs to be able to defend itself.

There are plenty of people who know about libertarianism, who understand the benefits of capitalism, and know what the NAP is. And they don't give a shit. The postmodernists literally want to see all order and civilization destroyed, because any hierarchy or organization is "arbitrary" and "patriarchal" and "oppressive" and must be destroyed.

Your belief that simply sharing the gospel of Ancap is enough to prevent violence is... naive at best. These people are the enemy. No matter how carefully you explain the benefits of voluntary exchange, they won't hear it. The time for arguments has passed.

You need to learn more about postmodernism and right libertarianism. I recommend Jordan Peterson and Hans-Hermann Hoppe.

You are just a nigger with a rocket launcher.

>>131264362
indeed, but tell that to the ideologs, they prefer "alternative science"

rightwingers don't accept climate because of their agenda, and leftists don't accept biology because of their agenda

>>131264550
"Not an argument."

>>131264550
Though I am still religious and prefer to distribute wealth voluntarily through private charities.

>>131258208
The media is Fox News and breitbart.

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>>131264658
And they say burgers learned nothing from our history :DDDDD What's clear now is we didn't go far enough! No legislation, EVER! :DDDDDD

>>131264768
It's a wild world out there pal. One might even say it's the great age of pirates, setting sail on the grand line, in search of one piece, the treasure that would make their dreams come true!

>>131262951
The hammer and sickle for the soviets had nutin to do wiv masonry but the workers...

>>131264432
Capitalism creates a "united people with a destiny."

Humans are united because specialization is objectively more productive, and our destiny is surviving and reproducing.

And while you may be right that a group of people are free to unite their private property into a "nation" you need to refer to >>131264377 as well.

>>131264658
>This state would be voluntary.
In discussing anarchism, "state" is used to define a social hierarchy that is NOT optional.

>So some form of control is needed to defend freedom
they exist without fascism- they're called voluntary association and the free market.

Inidividuals or communities can organize militias or contract with businesses that provide defense or dispute resolution as needed, and those options are their own 'checks and balances" should a particular militia or DRO get ideas about forcing people to obey their rules.

>>131265059

Did you watch the "In The Flesh" video from the wall? Do you see what your missing out on? Have you seen videos of Nazi Germany? You can be apart of something greater than yourself /anon/. Watch Starship Troopers again and tell me you don't want to be a Fascist.

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>>131264550
>you have no spiritual bond between you and the people of your nation

I don't think that's a political problem. No political system will fix the god-shaped hole in mankind's soul. With what Nietsche called the death of god, humanity can no longer take it on faith that life has meaning. That there is any greater good. That there is ANY good. Humanity is drowning in a sea of nihilism. We must be careful not to mistake politics or a particular form of government (or lack thereof) as granting ultimate meaning. This is what a lot of the left has done. (The rest are militant nihilists/postmodernists.)

I don't think we can go back to religion. It doesn't seem like it can work. Too many people are too atheistic and once you understand that there isn't a "god" like the Bible says, you can't go back to believing it.

The solution to the lack of meaning, the lack of values, the moral vacuum we find ourselves in isn't politics. It must be philosophy.

As more and more of the West outgrows/abandons religion, we need to create a secular philosophy of absolute ethics. We must discover an articulate theory of objective morality. Only then can we have meaning.

God's "job" was to give us meaning. Then we killed him. We must learn to do the job for him or else our current species-wide existential crisis can ONLY end in suicide.

>>131256232
>I'm a Fascist, if you don't join my movement I'm going to respond with violence cuck.
Not even Muslims are that degenerate.

>>131265591
They literally are, though.

>>131265530
>Starship Troopers
>Fascist propaganda
Heinlein is rolling in his grave.

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>>131265591

ISIS is the most badass movement right now. Those are some real dudes. They don't give a fuck /anon/

>>131265530
Spirituality through some national cult following like what Nazis believed in is not my kind of spiritual. I prefer traditional Christianity. Catholicism to be specific.

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>>131265415

That's what they claimed but it was just to hide the actual meaning behind the symbols.

Bolshevism has its roots in Masonry, and Marx came from a long line of Jewish Talmudic Rabbis.

https://archive.org/details/AProgramForJewsAndHumanity

>“Judaism is communism, internationalism, the universal brotherhood of man, the emancipation of the working class and the human society. It is with these spiritual weapons that the Jews will conquer the world and the human race.” (p. 100)

> "The Jews welcome this revolution in the Christian world, and the Jews should show an example. It is not an accident that Judaism gave birth to Marxism, and it is not an accident that the Jews readily took up Marxism: all this was in perfect accord with the progress of Judaism and the Jews."

>Putin: Soviet Government Was Mostly Jewish 80-85%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIeYoF1VhHc

>Winston Churchill exposes Jewish forces behind Communism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNcERXGcpEY

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>>131265728

Baby bottle pop
BABY BOTTLE POP
you lick it up you dip it you shake it
and then you lick it again
It's the baby bottle pop
BABY BOTTLE POP

>>131265530
>watches a movie that makes fun out of fascists and militarism
>becomes a fascist
Fascist intelligence, everyone.

>>131265857

>Catholicism to be specific
>Cult following like what Nazis believed

Catholicism is the most retarded cult and goes against christs teaching. I'd perfer my cult to be my nation thank you, not some fucking jew who claimed to be the savior.

>>131266019
Old Testament set up the traditions of the church that were legitimate, then Christ appointed Peter as the first pope. I don't see how the Catholic Church goes against Christ's teachings.

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>>131265908

The movie is different from the book. The book actually advocates Fascism.

Baby bottle pop
BABY BOTTLE POP
you lick it up you dip it you shake it
and then you lick it again
It's the baby bottle pop
BABY BOTTLE POP

you just described anti-fa you retarded faggot

>>131266181

Christ says not to use titles such as mother and father. You call your priest father. Your pope is a commie shill. HITLER > ANY POPE

>>131266184
You were talking about the movie. You said "watch". You don't watch a book, you read one.
>baby bottle pop
I don't follow.

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Goodnight, /pol/.

Do good works.

>>131266325

>Help, help, Freemarket, I need my ring pops!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVa2eLgkP-E

Yeah, watch for the glory and tell me your not down to live in that society faggot. "No because free market, I need my ring pops!!!"

>>131256232

Don't lie OP, you're a goddamn NEET.

>>131256566
>goose step
Yeah right you probably weight 400lbs

>>131266314
https://www.catholic.com/tract/call-no-man-father

Can't do a quick Google of official Catholic interpretations? I think the official stance of Catholics is Distributism as a model, but with seperation of church and state only voluntary distributions will be made, so I don't mind it.

>>131266478
Humans can kill space bugs without being fascist, m8

>>131266184
The book wasn't nearly as overt as the movie but to read it and see the Federation as more than superficially fascist, you'd have to be some sort of retard.

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>>131256863
His second wife, Diana. What a beauty!

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>>131256232
Try it you degenerate collectivist.
Everyone of us is itching for a reason to cut off your empty head.

>>131269308
why didn't anyone tell me the great tit was the official ancap bird?

>>131258253
You pretend as if it werent governments that corrupt the truth and wrong its people.
Its not about the freedom to do wrong but the choice to do right when truth is but a fringe.
Fuck your socialism. Strenght is numbers is a lie. You are obly as strong as the weakest link.

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>>131256232
Preaching to the choir m80

>>131256232
Cool RP

>>131256232
The idea of "Join or die" means that united we stand divided we fall. You're not the one making the threat, you're the one demanding unity. Of course i wouldn't expect a fucking burger to know this though.

>>131269674
Few live to tell the tale after violating its nap.

>>131259797
have you ever eaten pizza rolls?