Civic vs White Nationalism

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>>131252474
Christian.

nah stormfags are just the loudest

>>131252474
Ethnic nationalism is inviable, no one takes that retarded movement seriously. It will never get more than 2% of the votes.
Stormniggers are fucking retarded.

>>131252474
White.

>>131252474
American

>>131252474
I consider "American" as denoting race (white) and nationality.

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>>131252474
National Transhumanism

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>>131252630
I see the (((shills))) are out in full force today.

>>131252474
American, whether I'm a stormfag or a nigger I'm an American first god damn it

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>>131252630
Just wait until a free market in which people can buy specific genes for their children

>>131252630
What do you mean by ethnic nationalism? All races forming their own independent singular nations?

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(((Civic Nationalism))) is the way.

>>131252474
Segregation can work - but the trick is it has to be voluntary. Creating segregation by force will fail every time.

You have to convince blacks, hispanics, asians, and white people that it's in their own self-interest to have neighborhoods and schools and shops and services separate from one another.

>>131252474
I believe a good mixture/meeting ground is America the 80% white demographic line. On that I'll consider myself a civic nationalist.

I'm not American, but i consider myself white first
and then my country of origin.

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>>131252811
Hard to tell. Your images keep 404ing.

>>131252474
I don't think a white ethnostate is ever happening desu senpai, at least not in America. There's way more tension between party lines in this country than there are between races. I think there's still time to solve the demographic problem without spilling an ocean of blood.

>American or White
Americans are white, who do you think built the place? Injuns get their reservations so they don't count.
Germans are white, non-whites will never be German, same goes for America, Just as I can never magically transform into a Kenyan or a Jap by stepping on their dirt.

>>131252474
White.
Before I say anything, I realize half of our race are cucks who can't think or control themselves, so bear that in mind. The races can't optimally live with each other. I'm not one of those who wants to exterminate the other races; let them live in their natural habitats in whatever level of civilization they'd have without our intervention. However, if some of them share our values and can meet our standards, I say it's fair to give them a chance to live among us (and if they don't live up, deport), but let's not let anybody fool themselves in matters of racial equality.

That said, I think if we just removed or fixed the jews and psychopaths, we wouldn't have to bother with any grand sweeping changes; problems would fix themselves shortly.

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try this again

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>>131252607

You'll be one of the first to hang.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

>>131252868
Nonwhite SJWs definately seem to be on their way there.
A large portion of BLM seems to be ethic nationalist in nature. The thing is, they'll want land both of which would probably be ours.

>>131252474
White

>>131253181

This looks totally real and heterosexual.

>>131253181
O Y V E Y, C E R N O B I T C H

>>131253187
What's that from?

>>131253130
>However, if some of them share our values and can meet our standards, I say it's fair to give them a chance to live among us
Jews included?

Stop pushing "white nationalism", it is ethno-nationalism. As in each ethnicity has it's own homeland and culture to themselves, Even Hitler beleived the Jews should have their own nation state. Pushing "white nationalism" in general is a divide and conquer method that the kikes push to make sure white people never unite with their own sub-groups, and create infighting among each other.

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>>131253289
spotted the shill. cant have a nat soc flag and defend a civic cuck you double nigger

>>131253468
My fap folder

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>>131253187
kys larpagan faggot.

>>131253538
Sorry. It's slightly easier to type and pronounce with proper diction.

>>131252607
Same

>>131252607
Spics and niggers are Christian too.

>>131253008
>who do you think built the place?
Anglo-Saxon protestants and the irreligious. if you're not part of that ethnic group you have no business calling yourself white or being in the country in the first place. Germans and Irish and Catholics gtfo and stop ruining the country

>White Nationalism
There is no such thing outside of USA, especially in Europe.

>>131253493
Of course not; I figured my last sentence made that clear. Jews and psychos have got to go, one way or another.

>>131253008
You don't need to justify keeping America to me. It would just be a pain finding a nonviolent solution for nonwhites too settle outside of American territory without giving some to them.

>>131254180
no, the jews can live, however without any outside support surrounded by sand niggers and Muslims in their holy land. I think if they are left to their devices there without outside support they will eventually be sharia'd

>>131252474
Race first of course.
USA,Europe,Australia only for whites and let Canada be example how multiculturalism and diversity failed.
When it comes to this idea of for example France for Ethnic French only its just going to divide Europe and turn them against each other.I think there should be Legal Immigration but only for whites of course.

>>131252474
A civic nationalist for the US, a white nationalist for Europe, a black nationalist for Africa, a yellow nationalist for east asia, and a brown nationalist for the middle east.

White nationalism in the US is retarded because the US has never been and never will be a white nation, nor should it inherently be a white nation. The average black person in the US has had ancestors living in the US longer than the average white person since most blacks migrated to the US in the 18th century as slaves while widespread white migration to the US didn't begin until the later half of the 19th century.

That being said Europe should stay white and white nationalists shouldn't be hypocrites bitching about "Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, but Europe for everyone" while at the same time opposing African countries kicking out their white populations. Africa should be a place for Africans, colonialism was wrong. Asia should be for Asians, weebs who move to Japan are gigantic losers.

>>131254349
The jews have proven to be the only race that can truly threaten us, we should make sure they can't do that anymore, one way or the other. Anything less is an unnecessary risk.

Ideally, we'd contain and fix them; remove whatever it is from their genes that makes them evil. Same for psychopaths. Realistically, that may be too big of a risk.

>>131254867
They should just give blacks few states they probably would want that a country of their own.

>>131252757
>National (((Bolshevik)))
>Un-ironic Merchant Posting

>>131254867
Whether people like it or not, America has a long history of being a nation for immigrants. Granted it was originally intended for European immigrants, but like you said blacks were transferred here via slavery long before Italian or Irish immigrants came over. The US is already far too multicultural for ethnonationalism to ever work here, unless you want a literal race war that would probably end up killing off much of the white population anyway.

>>131252474
That's a easy question.

Conservative Americans would say White, because that's what it means to be American in their mind. Americans liberals would say American first, white second.

That's for the most part, the reality is that almost everyone is a centrist and their feelings are mixed on the subject.

>>131252474
It's the other way around. Race is irrelevent in the face of nation.

The problem is that jews and shitlibs convinced you that anybody can be American. That's not true, you are American by birth. At this stage immigration to US is unnecesarry and no whites need apply.

You need to remove the non-whites, as they don't consider themselves American anyway.

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Civic nationalist who hates da joos

>>131255282
Just start with deporting illegal immigrant they give a State to blacks let them create a country do that for Hispanics too one state would be enough and deport the Asians.Blacks would 100% want country for themselves they are whining how whites are controlling everything.

>>131252474
Civic nationalism is an oxymoron. A nation is a people of flesh and blood, not a form of government.

>>131255050
Doubtful that they would want it, and even if we gave them a few gulf coast states as their own country it would just mean a ton of white trash fleeing North.

Maybe in the 60s and 70s when blacks had an actual sense of community that could have worked but the old civil rights leaders who worked to build an actual sense of pride and community in the black population are all dead, now all we have are racebaiting idiots and historically illiterate retards cosplaying as the sons of Egyptians.

>>131255533
The Hispanics I know definitely wouldn't want that solution. I know I wouldn't. I'd actually be willing to bet most blacks wouldn't either, at least the ones I know.

The BLM crazies are a very vocal minority, desu desu.

>>131252607
HEHEH EBIN! XD LE ULTIMATE REDPILL OF WORSHIPING A WEAKLING SANDNIGGER JEW WHO SACRIFICED HIMSELF FOR THE MISTAKES OF OTHERS!

Christianity is a Jewish creation to make the goyim weak and docile.

You fellas realize the need for "civic nationalism" right? We aren't going bring normies over by going full 1488 right out the gate. Give them a soft option to start out with before taking the full redpill.

>>131253632
Telling others to kill themselves isn't very Christian!

>>131252474
I think everyone should have and know their place.

>>131253468
Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter

called 'Generation War' in English

>>131255826
If you got BASED black guys to parade around with civ cucks that could be big for swaying normies

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>>131256036
This is exactly what worked with the Trump campaign, have you guys forgotten? People don't want to be racist. Civic nationalism is way more palatable to the general populace than any other kind of nationalism.

>>131252474
Part of being American is being of European decent.

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>>131255658
Well maybe we can't do it now but in few generations it will be possible.
The only thing we need to do is make whites care about their culture and their race and it would result in increasing number of whites.
What i heard Hispanics hate Blacks so that's a good thing a guess let them fight.And all this Anti White propaganda will wake whites up.

>>131256299
Based on what grounds?

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>>131253187
So who's winning today, huh?

>>131256364
>Le based Hispanics will save us
The black population of the US has remained in general stable as a percentage of the entire population, while the Hispanic population has exploded at a near exponential rate. Hispanics are a far greater threat than whites.

>>131256394
Europeans Conquered and build USA.

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>>131256394
Finders keepers

test

>>131256394
see
>>131253008

White nationalism, diversity only ruins nations by lowering trust in communities. The Jews know this, and they push civic nationalism to pacify the nationalists. Plus, in white nations don't suffer high rates of crime(violent crime, rape, drugs) mixed countries do.

>>131256364
>What i heard Hispanics hate Blacks
The heck did you hear that from? Go outside for a bit.

>>131256000
Worth watching???

>>131256500
>>131256507
Anglos built the US, Germans and Italians ruined the US with their servile instincts voting for a more and more powerful central government and supporting greater authority of the president. Scotch-Irish are pseudo Anglos who have lived in the US since before its founding too and are also acceptable.

>>131256475
What i meant is that they will start killing each other they will start Race War and then you got reason to kill them

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>>131252474
Just as the Confederates lost the Civil war yet continue to wave the Confederate flag. The white nationalist have lost their cause. You can only dream of what could have been. FAIL.

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>>131252630
Fuck off niggers

>>131256618
Doesn't matter they are still Europeans USA was built for Europeans that's why Immigration was open for them.

>>131252869
> 80% white
Too low, needs to be 98%. Only people let in should be extremely successful entrepreneurs

>>131256621
>We just need the blacks to start massacring whites and then people will wake up
Do you even hear yourself? The first flaw with your plan is thinking a race war will just suddenly erupt and the white population won't just slowly fade out until whites are a plurality or minority. The second flaw is thinking that the "right" side will win the race war and fix the nation. After all the whole reason nationalism is so highly condemned in Europe is thanks to the third reich.

>>131256512
Apart from that boat in the middle (too kitsch) that fountain is great. Flowing right back into the canal.

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>>131256394
Say what you want about Richard Spencer, but he nails it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdKxNnNv_EE

Also, read the book The Passing of the Great Race by Madison Grant.

https://archive.org/stream/passingofgreatra00granuoft#page/n0/mode/2up

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>>131252474
Anything less gets subverted.

>>131256756
Yes am fucking aware that whites are becoming minority and thats a problem but Hispanics and Blacks killing each other will make people care about their own more and everyone going in their own corner.

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>>131252607
Ah Jew dicksucker. Got you.

>>131252474
Civic nationalism is the only moral form of nationalism.

>>131256732
Immigration was open to them because they had the means to immigrate. The Chinese were immigrating to the US in large numbers in the mid 19th century. The US didn't say "hey no blacks allowed" the fact of the matter was that blacks never had a reason and ability to go to the US.

However you are also wrong that the US is a European nation made for Europeans, it is an Anglo nation made for Anglos. It was made under the assumption that its population would all be some form of protestants who spoke English and had a similar moral code to proper Anglos. It wasn't built for Italian Catholics who would assassinate the president if the Pope told them to or Germans who find the concept of having any individual political power completely alien.

>>131256512
I consider myself white first, then American. Both are important to me. I think stormfriends act too irrationally with their demands for white ethnostates. We do not need to wage war and distance other races. Instead we need the assurance of our own communities survival. There need to be white homelands. America functioned better with the assurance of a contained Europe. Europe's multiculturalism has been entirely unnecessary and the result of weak leadership. Within America needs to be communities for whites and throughout Europe and in their own countries needs to be communities for whites to exist, free from the threats of invaders. Other races can have these too and we can work alongside each other. But first and foremost is the acknowledgement that we all have a right to exist. Most races agree with this except for Jews.

>>131252607
This

>>131252474
white

I learn towards civic more than white personally, but if my back was against the wall, I would go with white because that's more important. And our backs are more or less against the wall already.

>>131252607
Also a good option.

>>131256894
I really don't see this happening. What would even trigger a widespread race war?

>>131252474
They are both Equal in my book.

>>131256916
>/pol/ thinks christianity is the tool of da joos for world domination
>Jews hate Christianity since its conception
>Christianity also created the most advanced civilisation ever
Or, if you're picky, "was one of the main ideologies of the most advanced civilisation ever".

>>131252630
Most Ameritards don't get that ethnic does not mean white, ethnic often means that every "ethnicity" (there are no pure ethnicities left) should all live in their own state alone, which means having only nations of a million big.
Racial nationalism is a different thing though, and totally normal, but we can tolerate a few tokens.
Civic nationalism should just be a facade for racial nationalism?

How? Put realistic integration standards, we all know that brownies can't meet them, so we are safe.

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>>131255282
this is fair if we were in a position of power to change the immigration rates of every country, but at the very least we need to repeal hart-celler starting yesterday

>>131256894
Or you know it will just result in whites cowering and hiding like they have done for the last 30 years. Lets remember all those whites who banded together during the L.A. riots to get revenge when some blacks beat a random truck driver nearly to death. Oh wait whites didn't band together? They just ignored the issue entirely? Well I'm sure it will be different this time.

You are suffering from hepatitis and your suggested cure is to give yourself AIDS.

>>131252607
>non religious whites not welcome
>welcomes his inbred African and S American Christian brothers instead

KYS slave

>>131256943

It isn't immoral for a people to have a nation.

>>131252474
I do not consider non-white Americans. The Founders would have never done so either. To be American is to be white. America is defined by white people.

>>131255555
Checked quints prove civfags are ETERNALLY btfo

>>131257275
It is immoral to tie people to the place they have been born in. People should chose which nationality to belong to and which nation to serve.

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>>131257090
It's useless. You worship Jews bud and you don't have any tribalism. Jews hate Whites.

>>131257294
They don't consider themselves American deep down either. Look at the way they hyphenate themselves. They never refer to themselves as Americans, it's always African-American, Indian-American, etc.

>>131253538
What about white nationalism for america because the majority of its inhabitants for most of the time it has existed came from the europe land? Also since most white americans are white mongrel, I think white nationalism has a place in america.

The order of loyalty is God first, family second, nation third. Ignore the Nazicucks on here. They're just feds, shills, and SJWs trying to shit up this board. No one *actually* buys into that "Race Realism" shit.

>>131255555
America is made up of a hundred ethnicities, yet it's a nation. Switzerland has been made up of 3 peoples and countless euro immigrants and works.

>>131257275
If it were to happen here it sure would be immoral. White nationalism will not work in America. We decided long ago that blacks were citizens, it would be absolutely immoral to go back on the deal. Ideology should be the only litmus test.

>>131252474
White.

Thats why I support white V4 and Intermarum. Nations can cooperate on basis of race.

>>131257502
>God first, family second, nation third
t. Abdulrahman al-Bombini

>>131257090
So, Bohr invented the atomic model because Christianity somehow affected his brain (and enhanced his thinking ability)? And Hitler's government got rid of crippling unemployment in 5 years because he was just really inspired by the bible?..

i'm not american so ill just change the question to dutch or white.

i feel more white than anything, especially now my country is getting raped by refugees

>>131256613
Don't waste your time, it's kike propaganda.

>>131257538
What do you expect to get into intermarium? V4 is clear, but including the Baltics, Slovenia, Greater Croatia, Vojvodina and even Monti is a must.

>>131257090
I'm just saying: don't hand out the inventions and culture of White Man to your Jewish friends. It's disgusting, and you should be ashamed of your treachery. Does Bible teach why treachery is bad?

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>>131252827

Isn't white nationalism civic nationalism?

>>131252607
FPBP

>>131257689
>"kike"
Antisemitism is a trait of the subhuman.

>>131257416
>It is immoral to tie people to the place they have been born in.

Except any sort of ethnic nationalism doesn't do that. Nobody would prevent someone from leaving and nobody except the country in which you were born has any sort of obligation to let you live there.

>>131257974
It does not have an obligation to let you in, but if you are qualified for work and integrable you should literally be able to enter the country and be treated equally.

If you think europe should be whites only and america civic nationalism, you are a fucking nigger.
As the white population goes down they'll go to europe, niggers(or spics) will take over, and the US will no longer be for whites.

Rhodesia all fucking over again.

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>>131257502
No wonder we're in this mess. You care more about your sandnigger religion than any of us.

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>>131257764
Nah. Civs don't see race.

>>131252474
Mongrel countries need civic, white countries don't

>>131258198
>multiculturalism is the same as civic NATIONALISM

No fucker. It"s still nationalism. It's places the native culture above all else. No mosques, no Sikh turbans, or shit, everyone must fully integrate or perish

White, and I'm half. Or at least 3/4ths

Seeing the best and worst of both worlds, it has allowed me to compare and contrast and realize upfront what is wrong with multiculturalism, mixing, etc. The bit of non-white in my family have given me a front-row seat of why they and their below 100 IQ spawn don't belong in the west. Meanwhile, the pure white side seems to do very well for themselves, although there are a few who became corrupted by the kikes. Regardless, the white side knows when to shut up, and knows when to act, and the other side is to brazen and emotional.

Race does matter. The biology behind races is the mastermind behind the product, I.E. western civilization. The bone structure, the muscle mass, the brain development, all of this come into play. It's not just aesthetics on a frivolous level. Said aesthetics give biological impulses telling us that these people are healthy, strong, etc. Perfect for breeding and creating strong societies.

Being mixed, although a curse, like I mentioned before, gave me insight on why it's wrong. They are mistakes for others to learn by. I could have been better, so now I have to work harder to prove myself as an individual on this earth if my mind and body allow me to with these biological handicaps due to mixing.

If I breed, I'm going to have to lie and hide a certain heritage or find a way to remove certain strands of DNA.

>>131258110

No you shouldn't. You literally have no right to enter another country, it's a privilege.If they decide they need or want you then it's their right to let you in.

>>131258333
Well, if they chose that because of your origin it's fucking wrong. Criteria based immigration must be implemented.

No one choses where they are born in. I will always regard an educated foreigner in higher regard and give him more rights than a native villagers or poor vermin

>>131257690
To be honest I would like to reboot idea of EWG (which EU did.. before it got destroyed by socialist)

V4, Slovenia, Croatia yes. Baltics possily Estonia and Belarus. Not sure if lithuania would want in. Thing is it should build up from V4 slowly.

Each country has own currency, own govt, own army. No central planing line brussel now. Fuck that commie shit.

But as in EWG we get trade deals/no visa / no border checks/ anyone can work in any country / live anywhere.

This would solve lots of border tensions (thanks "allies" Jalta fucked up whole Europe) and just build unity.

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>>131258118
We're in this mess right now because people are turning away from God in droves. We were much stronger as a civilization when people believed in God and were willing to fight against the Islamic invaders in the name of God to drive them out of Europe. We need God now more than ever.

>>131252474
If youre not born white you dont belong.

>>131258509
Idk about Belarus, as long as they'd continue on their track oderussification and use their Latin instead of Cyrillic script, I'd see them join easily.
How much is Belarus under western influence, you know, given Poland Lithuania holding it?

As for Lithuania, the proximity of the Russian army enclave in Königsberg is reason enough.

Montenegro and Vojvodina would be options too, given westernization being at a decent level, as well as Federal Bosnia being mainly just surplus Croat land

>>131258654
>willing to fight Islamic invaders
No, too busy killing eachother whose interpretation of a jew on a stick is the right one. The 30y war had 13 million deaths on it's hand, fucks sake.

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>>131258269
Not good enough.
>>131258654
People left God cuz you wanted to be all one with niggers and for the most part you're a joke. Civic Nationalists and Christcucks go hand in hand.

>>131258527
Hahahahaha

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>>131258440

You're right that noone chooses the country they're born in but there are no other countries or people with any sort of obligation towards you. The current borders of the world have been carved out over a millenia of wars and battles between competing cultures, people, and ideals. Millions of men and women have died either protecting them or trying to conquer them and here's you, with your passport, telling people it is immoral if they don't let you in and shitting all over your poor village brother who would pick up a pitchfork and die protecting your land in favour of some foreigner with a degree.

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>>131252630
Yes yes, good civic nationalist goy. Diversity is our strength

>>131258952
(((What the right actually wants)))
Yes, stronger devided goy.

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>>131258868
>jew on a stick
Nice argument, bud.
>>131258952
>you wanted to be all one with niggers
>Hurr durr I'm a race realist, look how smart I am.
Christianity is a civilizing force. The majority of societies that haven't accepted Christianity are shitholes where people literally shit in the street and every Christian society that's rejected Christianity has fallen to hedonism, degeneracy, and cuckery and have allowed themselves to be raped (both figuratively and literally) by Islamic immigrants.

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>>131259198
You both failed. No more putting your religion over race. Nigger Christians aren't gonna magically become White and we got a Jew problem not just a Muslim one. Jews opened the borders and they took Europes guns.

>>131252474
Our
Race
Is
Our
Nation

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>>131252474

>have a system in place to judge people
>just go for a simple generalization
>get fucked by white trash
>get fucked by shitty christians
>get fucked by countrymen

wew you sure know the root of the problem!
Ideologies sure love to simplify. Too bad their worldview is about as accurate as religious doctrine

>>131259410

How did I fail? I never mentioned religion.

>>131258749
Problem with Baltic states is they are not sure ifthey would want in. I can kinda understand that but, if Lithuania would want in yes YES.

Montegro and Vovodinia , dont see a problem but its just if THEY would want it.

Lets not be like Socialistic Republics of Europe and force people into stuff they dont want to do.

>>131259398
yeah, rome desperately needed that civilizing force

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>>131259382
We were never united. What's good for one man isn't necessarily good for the other. Jews never integrated and nether did Blacks.

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>>131259341
Good goy, keep fighting against fellow Americans. Soros needs more goons to hire.

>>131254054
German nationalism, Swedish/Nordic nationalism, Dutch nationalism and all those are just subgroups of white nationalism.
Other whites can integrate into those ethnic groups.

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>>131259501
oh my fault i just saw the Republican flag and thought you were the same guy.

>>131259398
>Christianity is a civilizing force
Tell that to: Nicaragua, El Salvador, Colombia, Congo, CAR,...
Take to account that the most religious euro country is also one of the worst: Romania.


>majority of societies which haven't accepted Christianity are shitholes
East Asia and gulfstates tend to disagree

>every society which rejected Christianity
Like Estonia and Czechia? Yeah, lots of Islamic immigrants there... Oh wait


Christianity is against nations and for open borders, muslims, by accepting Jesus as their saviour (I ain't even making this shit up, their doomsday myth revolves around jesus becoming king and saviour of the world) would be let in by Jesus.

The only decent Biblical figure was Pontius Pilate

>>131254867
USA was built by the whites.
The clay wasn't laid there by the whites but the society is by whites, for whites.

>>131259562
Blacks and Jews never integrated into what? The middle class? Have you tried not putting your minorities on government life support and in ghettos, with their parents coming directly from segregated schools under Jim Crow laws? It worked for us.

>>131259341
Australia is 60-75% white...
You are fucked!

I am a libertarian but am also becoming more in favor of white nationalism. I believe that if we did make the USA a more libertarian society (end welfare, allow businesses to deny people for whatever reason they want) we could work towards this goal. I think we should designate locations for blacks through financial negotiations, location for liberals that don't care like california, and location for only whites. We also end further immigration.

>>131253632
>h-he painted a picture that means he is a christcuck!
He literally declared war on the vatican lmoa

>>131256943
I don't know about USA but ethnic nationalism is the only choice for Europe.
Sweden belongs to the Swedes, civic nationalism can sound pleasant to solve but it won't work.
Having a bunch of people from other groups in our country won't turn out like civic nationalists hope. They will never be Swedes and letting them have a part of our country is wrong.
Foreigners could be allowed to be here as long as it's useful to Swedes but they'll never be Swedes and should never have an equal right to influence in Sweden.

>>131259727
>>131260110
Probably more than half these subhumans don't know about the naturalization act of 1790. Just another thing that was fucked like 1965.

>>131260038
>also end further immigration
A country without immigration dies in the modern world, in the case of the US, that is treason. The US are great only because of white immigration and will only remain so. Trump, Tesla, Musk, most of your actors etc

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>>131259907
What a stupid fucking leaf, it's always our fault huh? Enjoy your new inbred Canadians. I'm hoping our Blacks flee there for the welfare as well. Maybe if your suck their dicks enough they'll act like Whites.

>>131257502
God is made up.

>>131252474
civic.

>>131252474
>American being an actual nationality.

America is a giant shopping mall, there is no American race. America is what the Jews wanted it to be, a melting pot of niggers, arabs, spics, and chinks. Even the whites in America are mutts with no allegiance to anything but their wallets and their netflix subscription.

It was easy for the Jews to dissolve any ethnic identity in America because of how vast the country is and the ease of importing immigrants and liberating slaves. It's been harder for them to do it in Europe where a cultural identity yet remains despite the attempts to wash it away. The True French, the true Germans, true Greeks, Italians, etc. will always be that before anything else. Ethnic nationalism is imbedded in people who have a culture and ethnicity to connect to through their ancestors. America lacks that and thus civic nationalism is the only form of nationalism that will ever be able to take form here.

That being said, civic nationalism is communism lite, you have no bond of brotherhood with any nigger or spic, being "American" isn't enough to bind you.

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>>131259907
the biggest city in north america
no integration
LAWL TO THE MAX

>>131260156
I meant end immigration from non European countries. Although I wouldn't be against letting in immigrants based on merit. (Inventors, engineers, etc.)

>>131253632
Hitler, as in the guy that said: You can be a Christian or a German but not both.
Hitler, as in the guy that supported the neopagan SS?
Hitler, as in the guy who said that pisslam would be better for Europe than christcuckism?

White. Civic Nationalism/IQ Nationalism is by god retarded.

>>131260204
Less than 5% of European Americans are mixed with any non-Europeans. Tell me what country you are from does it start with Muslim rape baby?

>>131260223
mexico city is bigger than new york now?
now they really have to go back

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>>131260204
Yep i don't even call myself American. It doesn't mean anything anymore. We're Whites. That's the only group worth caring about.

>>131260110
People don't chose where they are born mate, the educated man is a free man as well.

You have an issue with the immigration of the undesirable, ie, people who will be jobless in a few decades. The educated white immigrant integrates and does no harm, in fact, he will be the saviour while the uneducated swede will be no different from the uneducated migrant: nothing but a welfare parasite.

>>131259625
>fellow Americans
>implying I think of any chink, spic, nigger or kike as an American
Fucking faggot leaf, at least hide your flag when you make such shitty posts. You're making your whole country look bad.

>>131260277
That this normal

Tbh, horseshoe theory is always right: the people who want no Borders are the same people who want to fully end all immigrantion

>>131252630
Fuck (((votes))). Ethnic conflict is perennial and inevitable.

>>131260469
Considering this is Canada we're talking about, I don't think it's possible to make them look worse than they already are.

>>131260477
It would make sense if one wasn't objectively worse than the other.

>>131260408
Yeah if it's whites it can be alright but the non-Swedish whites have to be treated differently from whites.
They can come here but if too many come then they won't integrate, that means that the real Swedes need to be the ones deciding who can move here and when.
Other whites are allowed to come only when the Swedes decide that it can be done.

Non-whites generally won't integrate. Some productive people can be allowed to move here but they won't be integrated and should never get citizenship.

>>131260477
The thing is that if we had open borders without (((them))) funding immigrants to come here it probably wouldn't be so bad. Also I don't mind maybe up to 10% of the population being non white. I don't hate non whites. But it is now 60% white only and the number will keep decreasing.

>>131252474
American nationalism fundamentally makes no sense. It would be hypocritical for me to claim the nation(s) of my ancestry, as I am not truly Irish, English, or Danish. So white nationalism as long as I am here, but I advocate more specific ethnic nationalism in Europe.

>>131260361
It's the only thing that can still be preserved, culture and ancestry can be created if America outlasts the demographic damage being inflicted on it.
Had America remained under British control, the American identity would be culturally and ethnically Anglo-Saxon and civic nationalism would never take root over ethnic nationalism.

>>131252474
cherry frosted pop-tart is best pop-tart.

>>131260588
Closing your doors means you will have to come up with your own skilled workers to suit the time set trend, which is quite impossible for a larger nation to do quickly. Importing qualified personal from other countries is the only way to keep up, especially in the West where mainstream education is piss easy, and lowering standards would mean getting unqualified morons en masse.

Open borders would be no threat as long as welfare is cut. Most of the parasites would never find a job. And without welfare, would have to leave or die of hunger

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>>131260408
Please you sound like a fucking idiot. The only problem we ever have is the different languages and the various Christcucks accusing each other of going to hell. We need to recreate the Roman Empire. If you haven't noticed, we all have the same problems.

>>131252474

ETHNIC NATIONALISM MEME

all ethnic nationalist do is say "civics are cucked" or make some reference to jews. Honestly have never seen one good argument for ethnic nationalism. You can have a super majority white state inside a civic nationalist country. America was always civic nationalist, we just only accepted europeans for a while. If you want to pretend a Frenchie is the same a Brit go fuck yourself.

>>131260163
We don't have a racial gap in education, work, or pay across races, and racial crime statistics when accounting for poverty don't match up either. So yes, they do act like us. The worst we have are the aboriginals which have a much higher ratio than US blacks in prison populations, which makes sense since they also live in much worse conditions than even Detroit blacks, and have to deal with specific aboriginal laws. Keep sucking the Jewish divisive nonsense all you want, it won't make America a better place.

>>131260791
I have nothing against. As long as it is not a monarchy and as long as it is oriented toward science, culture and progress. We must rule space after all.

>>131260797
I agree that it doesn't have to be the whole nation but guess what? Refugees and minorities are purposely being pushed into areas that used to be all white. There is no where left. Also the truth is that a Frenchie and a Brit will likely have an iq that is a lot higher than a non white. It's just the way it is. (Except for asians.)

>>131252630
gotta love when the niggers browse pol

>>131260633
Fair enough. Like said, limit all of immigration to the educated and they'll integrate and not come in masses. Besides, non European migrants are barely ever educated

>>131252607
turn the other cheek faggot, so I can put it in your ass while you call me dad.

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>>131260903
Yeah this leaf is fucking retarded.

>>131257105
I wouldn't expect a more educated post from your flag. How does it feel to know your wife fucks other men? If you don't have a wife/girlfriend, how does it feel to be lonely? Also, how does it feel to have dark skin?

>>131261052
>as if there is a leaf that isn't retarded

>>131260469
So what makes you more American then them? Almost no American has all of their lineage going all the way back to the founding of the States. What % pureblood American do you have to be to be considered an American by you? If you exclude only recent immigrants, then that's quite hypocritical.

>>131252474
sorry US i like you but what i am about to say
Ethno nationalism white one is made up in america to make up for the fact that they have no unique ethnic groups and german british heritage does not matter beacuse you are just as much a stranger as the paki and turks there no offence
you fight to preserve the unique european groups not some made up monolith

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>>131260926
The hierarchy is what made us strong plus it's a lot easier to attack when they betray us. We got Nat Soc, but i'd even support a Monarchy over this. Animals are doing something right.

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>>131252474
>white nationalism
>race
>nationalism

>>131261236
Look up the naturalization act of 1790 it says who isn't allowed.

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>>131261261
any thing is better than democracy really its disaster and universal suffrage was and even bigger disaster

>>131252474

I consider myself America

Tempted to do one of those 23&me things to properly judge my whiteness
supposedly some native america a few generations back. Irish, english, and swedish otherwise

>>131252474
>american
>white
pick one

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>>131261565
Whiter than you, ruskie

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>>131261660
>This is considered white in Eur*pe

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>>131261301

>There will be no glory in your sacrifice. I will erase even the memory of Sparta from the histories. Every piece of Greek parchment shall be burned, and every Greek historian and every scribe shall have their eyes put out and their tongues cut from their mouths! Why, uttering the very name of Sparta or Leonidas will be punishable by death! The world will never know you existed at all!

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>>131261052
Using indirect and misleading facts to try to prove an argument which the facts themselves do not support? I think I know a group of people you would fit in with perfectly.

>>131261554
Like I said less than 5% of "white" Americans are mixed with any non-European groups and that is based of all 23andme samples. The 1% feather nigger faggotry is obviously propaganda.

>>131261682
>Spartans were white nationalists

How stupid can americans get?

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>>131255555
Quints of truth

>>131261912
show me a DNA scatter chart, scatterbrains
WE

>>131252607
This. Amen

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>>131257519
>America is made up of a hundred ethnicities, yet it's a nation
because its segregated into micro nations >>131260223
lets stop beating around the bush

>>131261660
no offence but that is all you got white im white
no unique tradition based on ancient roots
no unique race/enthnicity you are a mix of all european one and stranger to all a HAPA would be the best description
no unique culture beacuse culture comes from race and you are an rootless mutt no offence again

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Human stupidity must be eliminated, like polio.
Sperm from intelligent donors can do this via hybridization. 'Super' Sperm is the vaccine.
This process, Eutelegenisus can bring about a global hyper-intelligent super race, and an end to stupidity, and give birth to a nation-less world forever at peace, focused purely on technological advancement and having fun.

>>131262122
its barely a cohesive nation always on the brink of secession

>>131262185
a boring world that will delete all the unique identity the rich culture the heritage thousands of years coming to nothing sorry but you have to be crazy to like these ideia

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>>131262145
Eur*peans:
>lel you Americans have no culture
Same Eur*peans:
>wtf America stop importing your degenerate culture!

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>>131252607
>Christkikes
I bet you're an American mutt who has no identity other than the teachings of Rabbi Yeshu kek

>>131262145
>no unique culture beacuse culture comes from race and you are an rootless mutt no offence again
you couldnt even type that out before oozing the culture of a white american empire

>>131252474
Geneticist here. White Nationalism is the only road which doesn't end in complete annihilation and bottleneck for humanity. We are no longer subject to natural selection, which is a dangerous thing. Establish one or more white ethno-states, restrict mixed peoples to one child, sterilise or deport all those who are less than 65% European, enforce therapeutic genetic modification and screenings to remove birth and hereditary defects and allow mixed-race immigration on the one child condition.

I was a civic nationalist for a long time, but three years ago I pivoted once I realised how fucking dangerous the constant race-mixing is in a modern world.

>>131252474
Russian, though ethnically I'm not.

>>131262473
The UK was the whore house of every European ethnicity. So there you go, faggot.

>>131262469
mate i like americans but most of your culture its either an american copy or just nothing cowboys really that is all compare to europe and its ancient tradition ancient cultures

>>131262614
>t. le 52% man

>>131262779
Learn to read the thread you dumb nigger.

>>131262498
there are articles about it mate i did not mean to insult you wish it was not like this just bring to light a fact the white identity is made up there is no collective identity no pan white one or pan european if that were so why perserve the germans or anglos the french and dutch can pick up from were they left after all they are all white what if i told you that each one is unique and each culture is different because each european race is unique that is why it must be preserved there is no american ethnic group yet

>>131252474
Race is not genetic, thats why Michael Jackson suddently turned white. It's just the sun and melonon.

>>131262661
Weren't most cowboys Mexicans anyway?

>>131262661
>ancient tradition of Europe
Dumb Euronigger, we came from Europe. Wasn't even that long ago that the ships arrived. Those "European" castles and "European" arts were literally built and painted by us, just as much as they were by you.

>>131262565
Are yo eghteen or what? White race had no natural selection since ancient times, more so, we had negative selection (the Inquisition, a vow of celibacy). Africans had natural selection untill whites bring shittone ak-47 to them.

>>131252474
I would be more friendly to ideas of ethnic nationalism if the people representing it weren't such awful people.

I don't hate black people, arabs, mexicans, etc. I only hate gypsies, and even liberals here hate them. I don't see how I can be an ethnic nationalist.

We are a globalized world. All nations depend on each other for survival. We can't form hermit kingdoms.

Eutelegenisis is the answer. We create a super race via selective breeding, then share the sperm with the world. The #1 thing holding back humanity is stupidity. Eliminate that, and we're golden. Super sperm can boost the brainpower of offspring around the world, and increase their long term prosperity. third world people are desperate for any sort of advantage they can have over each other. Super sperm would give them a genetic edge, and its use would spread like wild-fire throughout the world, once the results are observed.

>>131262565
>Geneticist here. White Nationalism is the only road which doesn't end in complete annihilation and bottleneck for humanity

>>131252474
We should start using the terms European and African instead of white and baclk

>>131262962
come here see if you are the same as people here in character? not even blood you are not come to you will find yourself to be a stranger here just as much as the turks and paki here again no offence you came you mixed and you cut the line and it shows

>>131263106
So we are asian I suppose. Kinda brode strokes I would say.

>>131263110
>you mixed
Why do you keep saying that it has been proven false. You are probably half Arab anyways, bud.

>>131262565
>I was a civic nationalist for a long time, but three years ago I pivoted once I realised how fucking dangerous the constant race-mixing is in a modern world.
What? Did you finally realize half white children are forced or shamed into denying the white side of themselves? I've never seen a mulatto that identifies as white. Shaun King isn't special, there are thousands of mulatto mongrels out there that you'd never assume are black but act and think like niggers.

>>131262921
its happening to colonial whites seems pan white movements the americans took it as an insult just speaking the truth a sad one at that you must preserve the unique aspects of the europeans not just they are white so it does not matter if they mix

>>131262565
We still have natural selection. It just uses modern factors instead of purely genetic ones. Is there any proof that an all-white civilization will do better than anything that we have now?

>>131262464
>a boring world that will delete all the unique identity the rich culture the heritage thousands of years coming to nothing sorry but you have to be crazy to like these idea

it's a world where you can go anywhere and not fear being killed. a world where most of the tough work is automated, a world with no guns because nobody needs to defend themselves from criminals, because no one is stupid enough to be a criminal. I could go on. sounds like a great world to me. Stupidity is the cause of most problems in the world.

>>131263231
they are a mix of all the european races how is that wrong? they are nothing like the original

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>>131258952
>national SOCIALISTS
>the """"Right""""
You're just Reds on the compass who happen to screech about race.

>>131252607
>Christians will prefer some savage nigger with a cross necklace to a White atheist
Literally brainwashed

>>131263205
If you are white you are European.

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>>131263010
Whites do have natural selection, more accurately, sexual selection. Whites have been known to be the most physically attractive, at least the more pure-looking ones.

Caucasian aesthetics are more than just good looks and getting the ladies, they're signs of strength, height, trustworthiness, power, wisdom, etc. People want to breed with people who have these features. And the result? The wonderful western civilizations.

Non-whites just fuck whatever they can fuck, especially Mestizos. In America, Latinos always say this phrase, "Pussy is pussy, man."

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>>131263438
And what is a Romanian a mix of, hm? If this is truly "European" does that really make us the inferiors?

>>131263436
i already live in one except the automated part its sound just terrible to me a sin before the ancients sleeping in the ground and the unborn to rob them of their place in the world

>>131261261
>monarch
No fuck that, the best should rule, no one can live off the glory of their ancestors and rule by that.

>>131252805
This. Transhumanism is the future of eugenics.

>>131263438
Almost all the "white" Americans are German,irish and English in that order. Most of the times entire areas of states will be 1 specific ethnic group.

>>131263061

> this is what globalists actually believe

>>131253187

The majority of Germany is Christian. What, is Hitler going to fucking murder his own people? Hitler was a Roman Catholic.

>>131263513
No, thank you, I'm pass. You are degenerates. Finns were right with being mongols.

>>131252474
I consider myself Croatian first then white

>>131263571
i never said you are inferior just that you lack these things that is why you made the white nationalist ideology you lack a certain understanding im not coming at it to make fun of americans like common euro trash just to make it clear

>>131263624
but they are not like germans or irish or anglos are they? in character tradition identity an american german would feel like a stranger in germany or england

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>>131261677
>>131261660

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>>131252474
I'm a very mixed mulatto/mestizo, so while I sympathize with the whites, I can't truly ever join them, nor can I ever join any other ethnic group.

But also realize that there are a lot of race traitor whites out there who don't deserve to call themselves white. I also do like to make concessions for civilized blacks and hispanics who support white values.

So I consider myself American, because I think the Constitution (as it was priginally penned) perfectly represents the peak of Western civilization and what values whites should strive to emulate.

>>131263519
>Whites have been known to be the most physically attractive
For whites.
Thats actually fun, because if someone here post attractive woman it either jew or russian, who are everithing but ethnikly pure.

>>131263939
Most of them are actually Ukrainian

>>131263979
Thats not an ethnic group. And south slavs have broun eyes.

>>131263939
If that were true, non-white women wouldn't be fawning over white men like crazy. In fact, these women think they'll somehow be white themselves if they breed with a white man. It may allow their children to possess some white genetics, but it's that slight step toward that fantasy.

Whites have different traits across the board that other races find attractive. Short races like the tallness of whites, dark races love their skintone, uncivilized like their upbringings (due to culture) while almost all love their striking light eyes.

>>131264094
Not all of them though
I have blue eyes, so does my family, blue eyes are more common than you think actually

>>131252474
White Nationalism,

Civic Nationalism is an even bigger pipedream considering most minorities hate white americans and would never be on our side. Our only chance to succeed is to reinstate white immigration and remove all restrictions. End Birthright Citizenship and DACA and of course building a wall. Not to mention slashing welfare and blocking the third world from coming here. It's only becoming more likely since Nationalism is growing rapidly in America and Europe and I think a lot of whites don't want us to end up like Brazil. The RAISE act would end white immigration restrictions and do all the stuff I mentioned plus end Diversity visas.

>>131264213
>If that were true, non-white women wouldn't be fawning over white men like crazy
And they are not unless they consider white men rich. Living standarts in some countries are drammaticaly lower than in white countries, so they prefer whites if they can. In other hand you can try to marry jap in Japan - you will see that they prefer tgey own kind mostly. There are some crazy who exited about foreigners, but there are a lot more whites who are into bbc.

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Thinking it over, I'm some odd in-between that lacks a name.

The best name I could come up with is "selective nationalist".

I think there is a certain group of humans who can follow a nation's rules and culture. However, I don't believe everyone can. In terms of race, obviously some races will have a bigger cut of the suitability pie. In terms of European-based nations, Europeans will obviously dominate. That will always be the case unless other races collective get it together and fundamentally change. Until then, only a minority of the minorities shown any sign of adaptability.

My stance is very pro-European while giving admitted credit to minorities whom I'd be lying about if I said they haven't been decent members of society. I don't think they will be stars of the show, but I find no reason to commit any slight upon them. On the other hand, ther are White commie cucks I wouldn't want sitting at my table, let alone living within the country. However, I understand they'd be a minority among the invalids who need to go.

Overall, I'm simply for harsh meritocracy. The one well suited and innocent should live while the rest must be gotten rid of.

Funny enough, I believe my way of dealing with the invalids would be the most realistic way to build anything close to an ethnostate in America. Shift punishment for criminals towards harsher ones, such as deportation, life sentences, or execution while having immigrants be vetted so hard that Europeans will naturally pass the most anyway. It'll be a fair, but hard game. No need to jump on some stage in some virtuous amateur coup, calling for the death of all browns while yelling or ripping your shirt off over your White pride in front of millions. No need to get autistic over racial percentages on some ancestral scorecard.

>>131263440
You americans really are too dumb to grasp politics. No wonder the whole world laughts at you

>>131264228
Than you are not ukrainian like the most part of Ukraine population.

>>131252474
Tenets of a viable 21st century conservatism

1. The fundamental assumptions of Western civilization are valid.

2. Peaceful social being is preferable to isolation and to war. In consequence, it justly and rightly demands some sacrifice of individual impulse and idiosyncrasy.

3. Hierarchies of competence are desirable and should be promoted.

4. Borders are reasonable. Likewise, limits on immigration are reasonable. Furthermore, it should not be assumed that citizens of societies that have not evolved functional individual-rights predicated polities will hold values in keeping with such polities.
5. People should be paid so that they are able and willing to perform socially useful and desirable duties.

6. Citizens have the inalienable right to benefit from the result of their own honest labor.

7. It is more noble to teach young people about responsibilities than about rights.

8. It is better to do what everyone has always done, unless you have some extraordinarily valid reason to do otherwise.

9. Radical change should be viewed with suspicion, particularly in a time of radical change.

10. The government, local and distal, should leave people to their own devices as much as possible.

11. Intact heterosexual two-parent families constitute the necessary bedrock for a stable polity.

12. We should judge our political system in comparison to other actual political systems and not to hypothetical utopias.

>>131256943
>Let's give our nation to the most immoral people in the world because that's the moral thing to do
you fight for the most moral, giving the USA to immoral degenerates whose culture is headed to destruction is not moral

>>131264555
>but there are a lot more whites who are into bbc.

Even in California, mixing with blacks isn't that common. If you told you friend you're dating a black girl, they'd laugh as if you're dating a fatty, because that's bottom of the barrel-tier. Girls are afraid of black men thinking they get harassed, as a lot of blacks on the sidewalk don't seem to take no for an answer, or want their fellow white (male) to protect them and hold them close.

Whites have always had a trustworthy face. Remember that.

>>131264600
Civic Nationalism wouldn't help America anyways, Most nonwhites never assimilate and would make this country nothing more then a third world country like Brazil. White immigrants built this country which is why Europeans who move here grasp to the concept while most nonwhites don't. Civic Nationalism is overall a pipe dream, probably even bigger one then balkanization. You need to bring back white immigration and restrict the third world and end a good amount of things like DACA ,Diversity Visas, Birthright Citizenship and H1B and H2B visas in order to save this place. Not to mention make whites more fertile and have several mass deportations. Not to forget a wall as well.

>>131255555
Correct sir

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>>131252474
Reminder that those opposed to ethnic nationalism are either nonwhites either mongrelized mystery-meat.

>>131262905
He bleached his skin and had plastic surgery you idiot.

>>131256228
Blacks and Hispanics still voted Democrat as the majority, It will never work your best option is to restrict immigration and get rid of the things blocking whites the access of moving here. You think most nonwhites will ever be on our side? Especially when their younger generations only want gibs while younger whites are becoming more Fashy or at least nationalist? You're braindead if you think this.

>>131265452
Exactly, Civic Nationalism is just soft Globalism that's it. Most Civicucks are against white immigration or anybody restricting immigration from the third world. They'd probably call Tom Cotton or Steve King Stormfags for even proposing the idea of bringing back white immigration to the states. They rather have America die in a cesspool of mongrels rather then restore itself to at least 80% white.

>>131252607
This !

>>131257459
Exactly. They certainly aren't flag wavers either.

>>131253008
>who do you think built this place
I think Germans, to be honest

Who's an American? by Vox Day

https://www.pscp.tv/voxday/1djxXAoPQMVKZ?t=0

Worth watching. He's pretty redpilled.

>>131257459
Gee I wonder why that is

>>131252474

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U86c2Zf5og

Civic nationalism because that's clearly what our founders intended and is the American Ideal.

Italian (Tuscan) first, white second, Christian third.

Honestly while I'll always favor other people over European descent over non-whites any day, I'll favor Italians over Germans or Brits an day. American is a very distant third considering that nonwhites can be Americans these days.

>>131266221
Can't tell if bait or not.

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>>131266447
>white second
white never

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>>131266677
>Tuscans
>Italian

>>131266932
Some of them look kind of white then others look like Arab mystery meat and I don't mean because the tan. Do you have any kind of terms for that difference in your region?

>>131252474
I have yet to see a nation under civic nationalism. Multiculturalism isn't compatible with civic nationalism because people won't be unified under a single national identity.

I've noticed how ethno nationalist try to associated civic nationalism with multiculturalism even these terms are incompatible by definition.

I guess etho nationalist are afraid. They know we civic nationalists are their biggest ideological competitors and they can't win against us without misrepresenting our position.