/Christ/chan - CHRISTIAN GENERAL - IN THE BEGINNING

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carrer calle

>>131251630

Daily reminder that you can't be a Christian and an anti-semite.

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Let's start this thread out by clearing up a misconception. The Roman Catholic Church, despite the repeated lies from fundamentalists, does not teach justification by works, but salvation by grace.

Actual quotes:

"By grace alone, in faith in Christ's saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works"

"whatever in the justified precedes or follows the free gift of faith is neither the basis of justification nor merits it."

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html

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http://fuller.academia.edu/DavidDowns

>>131251902
Is Pope Francis a Satan worshipper though?
Is he part of the Rothschilds luciferian schemes?
He seemed great at first, a humble fellow trying to redeem the church through poverty, but something doesn't sit right any more.

>>131252255
He is part of the Illuminati who will make you auggies and then make you mad so that humans ans auggies will fight and they will step out and take control

Praying for all of your souls

>>131252557
Oh, I wonder what Paul meant when he talks about what happens when you lapse into sin after you are saved,

>4 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 that every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 that no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

So do you think it is ok to hate God but go to heaven because of your so called faith without any action?

>>131252726

Read Romans 7.

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GOD'S NOT DEAD

HE IS ALIVE

NO WEAPON THAT IS FORMED AGAINST THEE SHALL PROSPER; AND EVERY TONGUE THAT SHALL RISE AGAINST THEE IN JUDGMENT THOU SHALT CONDEMN.

THIS IS THE HERITAGE OF THE SERVANTS OF THE LORD, AND THEIR RIGHTEOUSNESS IS OF ME, SAITH THE LORD (ISAIAH 54:17)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NQZKhiT8VE

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>>131252847
Ok, so what do you think it says?

I think it's a mistake to approach God or the eternity with a binary attitude

God doesn't want to destroy anyone, and the quality of your future life depends on your current choices

"Are you saved" is so childish, "are you making good and meaningful decisions" is a far better question.

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>>131253263
Paul just said that if you sin even after you are saved and do it willingly and think you will be fine because you are saved, you despise God.

Hebrews isn't saying that you can sin all you want and it means you don't hate God

>>131253096
>>131253443

Yes, the flesh despises God. The redeemed spirit does not. It is the flesh that sins, not the redeemed spirit.

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Oh nearly forgot....

>Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

>>131253663
Oh, didn't know that somehow means that I did not sin

>>131253443
oh shhiiii

>>131251849
Quantum reminder that you're attempting to confuse, conflate, and destroy for (((some reason)))

bout to go fap to some gay porn you mad christfags?

>>131253818
Well let's look at Hebrews....

>If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9

I think the conditional form of this pretty much makes your view rather unbiblical

A coin is minted clean. The coin is then sent out into the world and over time will gather the dirt of it's surroundings, carrying it wherever it goes.

Eventually this coin is cleaned and shines as though it was just minted.

Given the nature of the coin, however, it will be sent out into the world again. Will the coin stay forever clean since it has been washed once? Or would a consistent effort along with further cleanings be needed?

One and done Christianity does not make any sense and the Church Fathers certainly didn't believe you. It's why things like asceticism took off so strongly in the first millennia.

>>131253729

If you are saved, yes. The spirit is what has been cleaned by the blood of Jesus and is sinless after you believe on him.

However, we still reside in our imperfect, sinful flesh. That is why Christians can still sin after being saved. That is why we await the day when our bodies are redeemed as well.

Again, read Romans 7 to see what Paul has to say about the Christian's daily war with themselves.

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>>131251630
>DAILY BREAD

>>131254027
>Jesus the author and finisher of our faith
Uhh...that doesn't mean Sola Fide. Everyone pretty much agrees here. And we also see how this plays out right before he made this statement which is one that is clear on Salvation also being a process.

And no, he did not say that you are running the race simply for a bonus, he says you are doing it for Christ as your focus, to run to the end

>>131252557
>>131253263
>>131253443
>>131253695
>>131253818
>>131254027
nice gookshit gookposters

how's the yellow fever treating you?

>>131254140
>daily war
That means you have to resist it

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How do we feel about American Christians who circumcise their boys?

Also if some are to be believed, we sin every hour of every day. Often we don't even recognize when we sin. That much sinning is going to add up.

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>>131254271
How can I have yellow fever if I am a nigger silly boi?

>>131254318

Yes, because living in sin is not good. That is not to say your eternally redeemed spirit, cleansed by Christ, will be doomed to Hell because of what your flesh does or fails to do after you are saved.

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>>131254608
It is conditioned on your choice and actions. And since he is addressing other Christians there it sort of nullifies your point.

>god wants believers to work hard for the kingdom but it doesnt cause you to be saved
Well, actually it is part of the process of it since it involves trust and a lot of toil given the also numerous allusions of Paul to how this justification work out which goes beyond sola fide like it or not. You can't handwave it away by claiming they don't mean anything.

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>>131254773

90 DAYS

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>>131254698
So it is not good but I still get saved if I don't wage war with it

>>131251630
>ESV
Not even once.

>>131254903

Yes. It isn't good because sin isn't good. If you decide to live in sin, your flesh will pay the price while on Earth, but your soul is still saved from Hell.

You are saved by believing on Christ, not by waging war with your sin.

>>131251849
Yes I can rabbi.
>As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

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>>131251630
PIC RELATED!! Good news you guys! We are at the bottom of the feet at last. God's Kingdom ruled by King Jesus Christ is up next. You guys are living in exciting times.


(Daniel 2:44) “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;


PIC RELATED

>(Daniel 2:45) forasmuch as you beheld that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands, and [that] it crushed the iron, the copper, the molded clay, the silver and the gold. The grand God himself has made known to the king what is to occur after this. And the dream is reliable, and the interpretation of it is trustworthy.”

>(Isaiah 28:16) therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a stone, a tried stone, the precious corner of a sure foundation. No one exercising faith will get panicky.

>(Daniel 2:34) You kept on looking until a stone was cut out not by hands, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and of molded clay and crushed them.

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>>131255104
Wait so what about the part in Thessalonians where he said those who think they can lapse into sin because they are saved hate God?

>>131255173
Actually what I said is based on what the text says. I don't make excuses just because it somehow disagree with me. You know like what you had been doing consistently.

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>>131255253
>>131251630
>(Psalm 118:22) The stone that the builders rejected Has become the head of the corner.

>(Romans 9:33) as it is written: “Look! I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock-mass of offense, but he that rests his faith on it will not come to disappointment.”

>(1 Peter 2:6) For it is contained in Scripture: “Look! I am laying in Zion a stone, chosen, a foundation cornerstone, precious; and no one exercising faith in it will by any means come to disappointment.”

>(Luke 20:17) But he looked upon them and said: “What, then, does this that is written mean, ‘The stone which the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone’?

>(Acts 4:11) This is ‘the stone that was treated by YOU builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’

>(1 Corinthians 3:11) For no man can lay any other foundation than what is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

>(Ephesians 2:20) and YOU have been built up upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone.

Pic related. The stone that you see in Daniel destroying all the kingdom of the world starting at the bottom of the feet is the same cornerstone of God's Kingdom: Jesus Christ. Jesus himself, along with an army of angels, will come down here and execute all evil doers in the world.

Does anyone know what happens next?

>>131255322

Verse?

>>131254829
You dont know what youre talking about.

The Law was given full well knowing that no mortal man could keep it. The Law gives us morality and outlines righteous behaviour. This is to prepare us for the Thousand Year Kingdom where we will rule and reign with Christ. Not unlike the Judges.

A Christian can lose his plave in the 1000 uear kingdom, but cannot lose his salvation and eternity in heaven.

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>>131255327
>>131251630
>>131255253
The primary theme of Jesus ministry wasn't salvation and it wasn't repentance. It was God's Kingdom.

>(Matthew 4:23) Then he went around throughout the whole of Gal′i·lee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the good news of the kingdom and curing every sort of disease and every sort of infirmity among the people.

>(Matthew 4:17) From that time on Jesus commenced preaching and saying: “Repent, YOU people, for the kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.”

>(John 18:36) Jesus answered: “My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source.”

The model prayer

>(Matthew 6:9, 10) “YOU must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.

>(Matthew 6:33) “Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these [other] things will be added to YOU.

The entire theme of Jesus is his father's Kingdom being the solution to all lives problems.


The verses all there imply that a heavenly regime will invade earth and wipe out all disobedient mankind. Pic related, the earth will be transformed into a beautiful paradise where all of you will live there and not visit there. You will all be physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually perfect. No defects of any kind. No sickness, no old age, no mental disorders, no crime, violence, fear and no death.

>(Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

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>>131255479
4 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 that every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 that no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.


>>131255485
Well....you just contradicted Scripture again because Scripture is very clear that you can lose your salvation. One anon quotes from Revelations thinking it supports Sola Fide but it ends up saying you have to endure to the end to be saved.

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>>131255322
heres all the passages that support faith alone
https://www.openbible.info/topics/justification_by_faith_alone

people who believe in faith alone admit that theres works that god wants us to do

problem is you think you go to hell if you dont do them

when it never says that

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What is Happening to Katy Perry... (2017-2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMQRFT4bZuc

>>131255564
>Jehovah's Witness
Take your 19th century satanic NWO apostasy to >>>/soc/ with the rest of the degenerates and stop invading Christian threads, son of Belial.

>>131255776
Oh so now you wanna play the link game? I can do that too and to actual scholarship

https://larryhurtado.wordpress.com/2017/06/01/alms-acts-of-compassion-rewards-and-atonement-for-sins/

>>131255776
Its absolutely says you cannot assume you are bound to heaven and God has demonstrated that he will slaughter people we think are innocent for a slight transgression.

Sheer arrogance. You better be the best you possibly can be. This is self evident.

>>131255710

I don't see where that mentions Christians who think they can "lapse into sin".

Paul continued to sin in the flesh after being saved. Do you think Paul hated God?

>>131255900

Verses supporting this?

>>131255710
>Well....you just contradicted Scripture again
Wrong, youre just a filthy ESL beaner cathcuck that cant into English.

Enduring relates to living through great tribulation to make it to the rapture in the flesh. In which case you will reap rewards in the 1000 year kingdom.

>For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

>insomuch that, if it were possible

>if it were possible

You have to go back, Nacho.

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>>131255253
>>131255327
>>131255564

The Jehovah's Witnesses go door to door, distribute the Watchtower and Awake magazines, deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and deny his physical resurrection.

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses

The Jehovah's Witnesses was begun by Charles Taze Russell in 1872. He was born on February 16, 1852, the son of Joseph L. and Anna Eliza Russell. He had great difficulty in dealing with the doctrine of eternal hell fire, and in his studies came to deny not only eternal punishment but also the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and the Holy Spirit. When Russell was 18, he organized a Bible class in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In 1879 he sought to popularize his aberrant ideas on doctrine. He co-published The Herald of the Morning magazine with its founder, N. H. Barbour; and by 1884 Russell controlled the publication and renamed it The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom and founded Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society (now known as the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society). The first edition of The Watchtower magazine was only 6,000 copies each month. Today the Witnesses' publishing complex in Brooklyn, New York, churns out 100,000 books and 800,000 copies of its two magazines - daily!

Russell claimed that the Bible could be only understood according to his interpretations--a dangerous arrangement since he controlled what was written in the Watchtower magazine. This kind of assertion is typical among leaders of cult religions.

>>131256055
He has none.

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>>131255905
It does make it clear when he is making the point. He says that in your sanctification you will not fornicate as this is the will of God. If you don't bother following it, it is akin to hating God. So sure, go ahead and say you can sin all you want. Paul may stumble but he did not give up.

>>131255900
That comes from times when physical phenomena, storms, droughts, earthquakes, were directly attributed to his anger. Please update.

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>>131256067
Ok, tell me about this from Revelations 22,

10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

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>>131251849
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=styLx-iWwC8

>>131256198

Don't misunderstand, I'm not promoting living in sin. Like I said before, we are still in imperfect bodies. And those sinful imperfect bodies will continue to sin until the day we die.

I think we both agree that we should strive to avoid sin as much as possible. We disagree when it comes to whether or not our soul's eternal destiny is affected by this striving.

>>131256055
Read your bible.

You people shouldn't even be reading Revelation without having read the entire thing.

That's a sin.

Look, I see what you're doing. Trying to score internet arguments against Christians... My thoughts are simply this. You better get real serious right now, because God is real, and you know exactly what you've done. Ther is no hiding from eternal torture. It will follow you.

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>>131256334
Here's the thing, Paul or the Bible says that it affects your destiny. Don't think you can hate God and enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

>>131256348

I am saved friendo. I asked for the verses because I've never heard of what you posted.

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Watch this and You'll be Left Shocked... (2017-2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGjTIU-5B98

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kikes

>>131255819
(Acts 18:6) ... “Let YOUR blood be upon YOUR own heads. I am clean. From now on I will go to people of the nations.”

>>131256454
>I am saved
You are fucking disgusting. You'd be stoned to death for that kind of blaspheme as the bible instructs people to do. You are delusional.

>>131256445

Again we agree and disagree. Our flesh and blood can not enter Heaven as it hates God. It is sinful and fallen. (That is why believers will get a new body of flesh and bone). If your flesh sins after being saved, your soul will not lose its salvation.

A spirit/soul who hates God, see: unbelievers, will not enter Heaven.

>>131256490
So by your logic, since every belief system eventually evolved, all religions (including paganism) are basically worshipping an enemy's religion because it isn't the original one?

>>131256678
I won't be feeding you the verse.

You will remain totally exposed for everyone to see.

>>131256578

Again, I'll ask for where you are getting this doctrine from. Do you have any biblical support for what you are saying?

>>131256712
Yes I do.

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>>131256578
I'm saved also

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
>that ye may know that ye have eternal life,

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>>131256521

>>131256737
prove it

>>131256737

Then post the chapter and verse.

>>131256678
flesh and blood are physical things. They 'hate' God because of the fact that these are distorted and fallen, making you a sinner. Plus, using that as an excuse to sin(which have no actual serious consequence in your view) is simply akin to hating God himself.

Flesh and blood will be in the New Heaven and New Earth for there is the Resurrection.

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1 John 5
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
1 John 3
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Romans 4
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

>>131256803
>>131256812
Absolutely not

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>>131256852
>He that overcome
What does this mean?

>>131255855
yes alms, acts of compassion, all of which are optional because all you have to do is believe to be saved

show me one time it says you go to hell if you dont give an alm

>>131255900
>Its absolutely says you cannot assume you are bound to heaven

actually the bible says you can know for sure youre going to heaven

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

if i dont have eternal life then jesus lied because i believe in him

John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

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>>131256921
pussy

>>131256298
What about it?
All those curses are on the jeads of the non believers. It's like you dont really understand The Message. Christians arent appointed to wrath.

>But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

We are in God's hands and under His grace.

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More Warnings of Financial Tipping Point Coming in 2017

https://z3news.com/w/warnings-financial-tipping-point-coming-2017/

Historical patterns can also help give us perspective on where we are and where we’re heading. History shows a pattern of recurring market crashes every 88 years (Source: Lunatictrader.com). For example:

The panic of 1796 was followed 88 years later by the panic of 1884.

The panic of 1819 was followed 88 years later by the panic of 1907.

The depression of 1920-21 was followed 88 years later by the financial crisis of 2008-2009.

The 88-year repeating pattern is also interesting because the number 8 represents new beginnings in the Bible.

Looking back 88 years from the fall of 2017 takes us to the fall of 1929, which was one of the most famous market crashes of all time due to the severe impact on the global economy. However, the fall of 1929 was only the beginning. Markets did not finally reach bottom until nearly three years later in the summer of 1932. (Source: Macrotrends.net) So, if history repeats itself and we follow the historical pattern, what begins this fall would not reach bottom until the summer of 2020.

Maybe that explains why economist Martin Armstrong has warned, “We are looking at the risk of a complete breakdown in the country come as early as March 10th, 2020.” (Source: Armstrong Economics)

>>131257004
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

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Our World Hasn't Seen Anything on this Scale! (2017-2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGQt9bPsGmw

>>131256827

Sinning does have consequences while still on Earth. You will be chastised while alive.

You are gravely mistaken concerning flesh and blood in the new Heaven and Earth.

>1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

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John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

>>131256298
>>131256521
>I am clean.
Jehovah's Witness arent clean, youre still under the Law bevause you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ.

>>131255900
>>131257155

keyword in john 6:47 is "hath" or "has" everlasting life

its past tense

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>>131257004
>In chap 7, Downs cites early Christian writings that connect care for the needy with belief in the resurrection, and that accuse those Christians who didn’t believe in a bodily resurrection of a connected lack of interest in such merciful acts. In chap. 8, Downs shows that early Christian teachings about almsgiving and related kindness were grounded in exegesis of scriptural texts, and were not foreign elements in early Christian concerns.

I don't think this is saying that it is optional

What the heck are ya'll even arguing about in this thread? Does it ultimately come down to whether people can lose salvation?

>>131256803
>>131256812
The Bible does not support faith alone. In fact, it condemns it.

>Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.

>James 2:17 - Thus, too, faith, if it does not have works, is dead in itself.

>Matthew 7:21 - “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.

>Romans 12:13 - Share with the holy ones according to their needs. Follow the course of hospitality.

>1 Timothy 5:4 - But if any widow has children or grandchildren, let these learn first to practice godly devotion in their own household and to keep paying a due compensation to their parents and grandparents, for this is acceptable in God’s sight.

>Hebrews 10:24 - And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works,

>James 1:27 - The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world.

>James 2:26 - Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

>James 2:22 -You behold that [his] faith worked along with his works and by [his] works [his] faith was perfected

>James 2:24 YOU see that a man is to be declared righteous by works, and not by faith alone.

>Romans 2:13 - For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous.

>James 1:22 - However, become doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning.

>1 John 5:3 - For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome,

>Hebrews 6:10 - For God is not unrighteous so as to forget YOUR work and the love YOU showed for his name, in that YOU have ministered to the holy ones and continue ministering.

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Galatians
2:16/21
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

3:6-11
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

5:4-5
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

>>131256298
>>131257112
And...
>Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart. For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause. For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

>Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

>Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

>>131257112
Don't forget the rest of it,

2 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; 13 and to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. And be at peace among yourselves. 14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men. 15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

16 Rejoice evermore. 17 Pray without ceasing. 18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. 19 Quench not the Spirit. 20 Despise not prophesyings. 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

You are in God's hands under his grace but that doesn't mean you are going to be lazy and dindu nuffin

>>131251902
Catholics aren't Christian

>>131257291

He isn't angry concerning faith alone, but that someone might suggest they know they are saved.

>>131257270

That and the classic faith alone vs faith + works.

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>>131257312
>pray that be ye reconciled to God
Huh, didn't know that is an ongoing thing

>>131257291
What do you think the doctrine of sola fide is?

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>>131257291
>james 2
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C3QCpp2J5M0

>Matthew 2:21
see John 6:38-40 and the Matthew 7:22-23 which prove believing in your works hets you to not enter Heaven

please take all the ones taken out of context out. But that would be all and the ones that aren't just say you should do works

>>131256578
You have never read the Bible. The gospel of John eas written specifically to let us know that Jesus is the Son of God and we have eternal life through our faith in Him.

Sorry your spul soliciting Catholic apostasy has you living in fear thinking you have to call a pedo in a dress father and ask him for forgiveness every week or else you go to Hell.

Sad and pathetic, tbqhf. I feel awful for you. Cults rot your brain.

>>131257092
Call me another name!

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>>131257505
Well the Gospel of John also says,

John 15:5-6
5 I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me, and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If a man does not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned.

Better bear fruit, or you will be cut off

>>131256707
You are talking out of your ass, and are the perfect example of the apostate church blackmailing souls into giving tithe and being a good goy.

Popes burn in Hell, friend.

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>>131257291

The Jehovah's Witnesses go door to door, distribute the Watchtower and Awake magazines, deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and deny his physical resurrection.

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses

The Jehovah's Witnesses was begun by Charles Taze Russell in 1872. He was born on February 16, 1852, the son of Joseph L. and Anna Eliza Russell. He had great difficulty in dealing with the doctrine of eternal hell fire, and in his studies came to deny not only eternal punishment but also the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and the Holy Spirit. When Russell was 18, he organized a Bible class in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In 1879 he sought to popularize his aberrant ideas on doctrine. He co-published The Herald of the Morning magazine with its founder, N. H. Barbour; and by 1884 Russell controlled the publication and renamed it The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom and founded Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society (now known as the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society). The first edition of The Watchtower magazine was only 6,000 copies each month. Today the Witnesses' publishing complex in Brooklyn, New York, churns out 100,000 books and 800,000 copies of its two magazines - daily!

Russell claimed that the Bible could be only understood according to his interpretations--a dangerous arrangement since he controlled what was written in the Watchtower magazine. This kind of assertion is typical among leaders of cult religions.

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>>131257507
dickweed

>>131257505
Christ will come to you like a theif in the night while you sin and catch you. You will not know the hour of his coming or you'd stand guard.

Don't parade your faith like a trinket.

>>131257182
25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

first tsunamis then get ready for asteroids.

>While Japan may have the longest recorded history of tsunamis, the sheer destruction caused by the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami event mark it as the most devastating of its kind in modern times, killing around 230,000 people.[16] The Sumatran region is not unused to tsunamis either, with earthquakes of varying magnitudes regularly occurring off the coast of the island.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsunami

>>131257610
No, please I insist you insult me further. I have driven you here after all!

>>131257228
>youre still under the Law bevause you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ.

We don't deny the divinity/deity of Jesus. We just deny that Jesus is the Almighty Deity himself, Jehovah God. The problem is that people don't understand that the concepts of divinity, deity, and godhood are not reserved for neither Jesus nor Jehovah.

>(1 Corinthians 8:5, 6) For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.

The Bible teaches that there are many gods. In verse 5 above it mentions "whether in heaven" which means there are those who are called "gods" in heaven. Since there can be no false gods in heaven this leaves only one conclusion. That Jesus, the Angels, Demons and Satan are those gods.

Angels are gods
>(Psalm 8:5) You also proceeded to make him a little less than godlike ones, And with glory and splendor you then crowned him.

>(Hebrews 2:7) You made him a little lower than angels; with glory and honor you crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands.

Satan is a god

>(2 Corinthians 4:4) among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

CONTINUED

>>131257490

Catholics aren't Christian, huh? Why is that?

>>131256987
>Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1 John 5:5

Seriously you arent fluent in English or have never read the Bible cover to cover.

>>131257621

Believers will not be overtaken by that day.

>1 Thessalonians 5 (KJV)

1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

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>>131257647
>25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

lol @ trunews intro
https://www.spreaker.com/user/trunews/trunews-06-19-17

>>131257597
>taking fixtrine from unclear parables
here let ne give you clear verses from John

John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

>>131257603
What like with papism, Lutheranism, Calvinism? The fact is that Russell took the truth a fair way, but others have had to take it further. 'Russellites' of today have no divine blessing and are mostly splintered groups

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>>131257695
The Jehovah's Witnesses go door to door, distribute the Watchtower and Awake magazines, deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and deny his physical resurrection.

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses

The Jehovah's Witnesses was begun by Charles Taze Russell in 1872. He was born on February 16, 1852, the son of Joseph L. and Anna Eliza Russell. He had great difficulty in dealing with the doctrine of eternal hell fire, and in his studies came to deny not only eternal punishment but also the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and the Holy Spirit. When Russell was 18, he organized a Bible class in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In 1879 he sought to popularize his aberrant ideas on doctrine. He co-published The Herald of the Morning magazine with its founder, N. H. Barbour; and by 1884 Russell controlled the publication and renamed it The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom and founded Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society (now known as the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society). The first edition of The Watchtower magazine was only 6,000 copies each month. Today the Witnesses' publishing complex in Brooklyn, New York, churns out 100,000 books and 800,000 copies of its two magazines - daily!

Russell claimed that the Bible could be only understood according to his interpretations--a dangerous arrangement since he controlled what was written in the Watchtower magazine. This kind of assertion is typical among leaders of cult religions.

>>131257228
>>131257695
Men are gods

>Psalm 82:1-7) God is stationing himself in the assembly of the Divine One; In the middle of the gods he judges:

>(Psalm 82:6) “I myself have said, ‘YOU are gods, And all of YOU are sons of the Most High.

>(John 10:35) If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified,

>(John 10:34-38) Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “YOU are gods”’? 35If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified, 36do YOU say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son? 37If I am not doing the works of my Father, do not believe me. 38But if I am doing them, even though YOU do not believe me, believe the works, in order that YOU may come to know and may continue knowing that the Father is in union with me and I am in union with the Father.”

According to the context, those whom Jehovah called “gods” and “sons of the Most High” in this psalm were Israelite judges who had been practicing injustice, requiring that Jehovah himself now judge ‘in the middle of such gods.’ (Ps 82:1-6, Since Jehovah applied these terms to those men, Jesus was certainly guilty of no blasphemy in saying, “I am God’s Son.” Whereas the works of those judicial “gods” belied their being “sons of the Most High,” Jesus’ works consistently proved him to be in union, in harmonious accord and relationship, with his Father.—Joh 10:34-38.

CONTINUED

>>131257750
Tell me who the judge of that is?

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>>131257665
lemon monkey

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can anybody help me start a christian chan? I have a domain already and am running kusaba x.

>>131257845
Not very good. I recommend you make your insults better if you want to punish me.

I don't fear your word.

>>131257771
That parable is easy to understand. If you bear no fruit, you will be cast out. In fact the same Gospel also says that if you don't keep the sayings of Christ, you are in deep shit

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>>131257784
>What like with papism, Lutheranism, Calvinism?
No, because JWs deny the Trinity along with a host of other things, they are a cult

Look at their beliefs:
https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-beliefs

By the way, they're not 'Jehovah Witness', they should be called "Watchtower Society"

>>131257842

God. And rest assured friendo, believers are saved already. Unbelievers are condemned already.

>John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

>>131257228

Jehovah made Moses was a god

>(Exodus 7:1, 2) Consequently Jehovah said to Moses: “See, I have made you God to Phar′aoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet. 2You—you will speak all that I shall command you; and Aaron your brother will do the speaking to Phar′aoh, and he must send the sons of Israel away from his land.

>(Exodus 4:16) And he must speak for you to the people; and it must occur that he will serve as a mouth to you, and you will serve as God to him.

That's why Jehovah is the God of gods

>(Deuteronomy 10:17) For Jehovah YOUR God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the God great, mighty and fear-inspiring, who treats none with partiality nor accepts a bribe,

>(Psalm 82:1) God is stationing himself in the assembly of the Divine One; In the middle of the gods he judges:

>(Psalm 136:2) Give thanks to the God of the gods: For his loving-kindness is to time indefinite;

Since Jehovah can be no God to anything false it stands that these "gods" are real. That is Jesus, Angels, Demons, and Satan. He is the Almighty TRUE God above inferior gods. That's why Jesus didn't deny that the judges were called gods. That's why Jesus is "god" in John 1:1 and Mighty God in Isaiah 9:5. Jesus is as much a deity as the angels, demons, Satan, and on Earth as much as the judges and Moses.

>>131257936
It's self evident like all truth.

No tree in the kingdom of heaven will be rotten. They will all fruit. 100%

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>>131257832
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?

The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. These make it non-Christian. In addition, to support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness' theology) has altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings.

https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian


YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIAN, YOU GUYS SHOULD BE CALLED WATCHTOWER SOCIETY, GET OUT AND GO START YOUR OWN THREAD WITH THE MORMONS AND MUSLIMS, WE WILL NEVER DENY THE TRINITY, WE WILL NEVER DENY JESUS, GET OUT, OUT, OUT

>>131257985
Wrong. You dont believe if you produce no fruit.

You're a liar and a con artist. You think you'll fool God?

Also John 6 is pretty clear that it is talking about having to actually eat Jesus' flesh and blood. The word for truly used by Jesus is defined by the Greek lexicon as,
STRONGS NT 227: ἀληθής

ἀληθής, (ές (alpha privative and λήθω, λαθεῖν (λανθάνω), τό λῆθος — cf. ἀμαθής; literally, not hidden, unconcealed) (from Homer down);
1. true: John 4:18; John 10:41; John 19:35; 1 John 2:8, 27; Acts 12:9 (an actual occurrence, opposed to ὅραμα), Philippians 4:8; μαρτυρία, John 5:31; John 8:13f, 17; John 21:24; 3 John 1:12; Titus 1:13; kρίσις, just, John 8:16 (L T Tr WH ἀληθινή); παροιμία, 2 Peter 2:22; χάρις, grace which can be trusted, 1 Peter 5:12.

2. loving the truth, speaking the truth, truthful: Matthew 22:16; Mark 12:14; John 7:18; 2 Corinthians 6:8 (opposed to πλάνος); of God, John 3:33; John 8:26; Romans 3:4 (opposed to ψεύστης).

3. equivalent to ἀληθινός, 1. John 6:55 (L T Tr WH; for Rec. ἀληθῶς), as in Wis. 41:27, where ἀληθής Θεός is contrasted with οὕς ἐδόkουν Θεούς. Cf. Riickert, Abendmahl, p. 266f. (On the distinction between this word and the next, see Trench, § viii.; Schmidt, chapter 178, 6.)

And that equivalent is defined as,
STRONGS NT 228: ἀληθινός

ἀληθινός, (ή, (frequent in secular writings from Plato down; (twenty-three times in John's writings; only five (according to Lachmann six) times in the rest of the N. T.));
1. that which has not only the name and semblance, but the real nature corresponding to the name (Tittmann, p. 155; ("particularly applied to express that which is all that it pretends to be, for instance, pure gold as opposed to adulterated metal" Donaldson, New Crat. § 258; see, at length, Trench, § viii.)), in every respect corresponding to the idea signified by the name, real and true, genuine;

>>131257936
The only orher time I remember a similar parable is in Matthew 7 and the fruit are believers

John 3:36 is much more clear
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

>>131255322
Christ died for us because we are all sinners and we are all unable to live without sin.
You should strive to do what you can for Him. Failure is not a sentence to hell. He would not have needed to save us if it were.

Also
2 Timothy 2:14
Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

Don't persecute your fellow Christians.

>>131258076
Con artists wont fool God.

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>>131257993
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?

The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. Additionally, the Jehovah's Witness' organization requires of its members regular weekly attendance at their "Bible Study" meetings where they are repeatedly indoctrinated with anti-Christian teachings. This is done by reading the Watchtower magazine, following along with what it says, reading the questions it asks, and reciting the answers it gives. In other words, the Watchtower Organization carefully trains its members to let the Organization do their thinking for them. For confirmation of this, please read Does the Watchtower organization control the JW's thinking?


REMINDER 'JEHOVAH WITNESS' ONLY USE CHRISTIAN TERMINOLOGY, BUT THEY ARE ANYTHING BUT CHRISTIAN. THEY ARE 'WATCHTOWER SOCIETY'. NOT CHRISTIAN. THEY ARE 'WATCHTOWER SOCIETY' AND USE CHRISTIAN LINGO TO SUBVERT THE GOSPEL. CATHOLICS, PROTESTANTS, NON-DENOMITATIONAL CHRISTIANS MUST UNITE AND PURGE OF ALL 'WATCHTOWER SOCIETY' CULT.

>tfw I went to Catholic confessional for the first time in 10 years and the priest was a young Indian guy

>>131257695
>We don't deny the divinity/deity of Jesus. We just deny that Jesus is the Almighty Deity himself, Jehovah God.
So you're polytheists
>The Bible teaches that there are many gods
The bible teaches that there is one God
>In verse 5 above it mentions "whether in heaven" which means there are those who are called "gods" in heaven. Since there can be no false gods in heaven this leaves only one conclusion. That Jesus, the Angels, Demons and Satan are those gods.
No, none of these so-called gods are actually in heaven, Paul is speaking of false gods. A 'god' who is in heaven would be Zeus, for example. See Romans 1:22-23

>>131258076
Check out what Matthew 7 says in its beginning,

>7 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

>>131257621
>Don't parade your faith like a trinket.
Fuck off retard.
>Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

>Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

I am the salt of the earth, whereas you're just salty and butthurt.

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>>131258134

And yet, you can still trace back through him a direct succession of bishops, back to the Apostles, back to Jesus:

John 20:
Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

>>131258119
you wont even give verses to support your comments

>>131257490
I just answered that. >>131257291

It is a lazy man's doctrine. It is like believing in the power of a product you are trying to sell but you refuse to either try it and use it yourself. Why do you believe in something you won't use? God demands not just obedience and refraining from sinning but taking the initiative in his commandments. If you believe in your product so much why do you keep it to yourself?

>>131258167
>they may see your good works
What good works? You're awful.

Is there anything biblical that says its fine to want to preserve your race or be anti racemixing etc?

>>131258237
No pearls before swine.

>>131258053

Fool him concerning what? He knows that I believe on Jesus and trust him alone to save me.

Your filthy rags won't save you. Jesus will.

>>131258145
It's saying to not be a hypocrite. What's your point?

>>131258092
And also we find this at 2 Timothy 2

>8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 9 wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound. 10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect’s sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Did you endure to the end?

And don't forget the rest of what 2 Timothy 2 is saying,

>15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenæus and Philetus; 18 who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.

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>>131257381
>this meme in 2017

>>131258276
Adiltery = adulteration = making a substance impure by mixing = race mixing

DO NOT race mix.

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>>131258308
Well then so much for Sola Fide ain't it?

>>131258243
I didn't ask you to refute it, I asked you to define it

>>131256766
In greater danger are all those who assure that.

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>>131258243
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?

The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. These make it non-Christian.

The Witnesses are told they will be persecuted when they go door-to-door teaching their doctrines. They are further told that this is simply the enemy fighting against God's organization because they are in "the truth." So, when someone disagrees with them, they are conditioned to reflect on what the Watchtower has told them. They then feel confirmed in being in God's true organization on earth (like all cults claim). They are strongly encouraged to have friends and acquaintances that are only JW's, thereby keeping outside examination to a minimum.

https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian

'JEHOVAH WITNESS' OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 'WATCHTOWER SOCIETY' HAVE A PERSECUTION COMPLEX. THEY BELIEVE THAT IF THEY ARE PERSECUTED, THAT THAT AFFIRMS THEM IN THEIR FAITH. WATCHTOWER SOCIETY HAS A PERSUCATION COMPLEX AND THIS IS HOW THEY KEEP SPEADING LIKE A VIRUS. STOP REPLYING AND ARGUING WITH THEM. THEY NEED TO LEAVE.

>>131258363
that has nothing to do with sola fide

>>131258298
Stay tortured by your sinful existence. You don't fool me and you won't fool hod. It's that simple. You don't do good. You just espouse the idea you'll be saved if you believe. Ou don't fathom what helief entails. Belief has you producung fruit.

Where is your fruit? No fruit; no belief in God.

>>131258398
It does reject it since Jesus is literally saying you cannot be a hypocrite and here's what he says near the end of it,

> Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

>>131257962
The Trinity is contrary to the scriptures. It is derived from paganism and Platonism. Jesus clearly said, 'the father is greater than I am' John 14:28. They are Jehovah's Witnesses, the WTS is merely a legal entity along with JW.org. They aren't JW.org. They are witnesses of Jehovah. You do know that God's name is Jehovah, right?

>>131258252
My black friend Boogie has owed me $200 for the past 9+ months and I never expect to get a dime back. It was $400 but he called me a couple of times and gave me a $100 each time.

I loaned it without expecting to get it paid back.

What have you done, larping skinhead?

>>131258572
>My black friend
I'm done here

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>>131258542
And you do know that God is Trinity, right? Just because some false religion borrows something from you doesn't make it false in and of itself.

Tare consumed by madness and rage here
How do I mend the rift in my soul created by determinism through the doctrine of election?
My mind is fixated on the idea that since I cannot trust anyone or anything through a case of potentially clinical mild paranoia that my salvation will never be true or real
Deception after deception has led to me questioning reality itself and fighting back against it trying to rend a hole through it and find some truth, horrible or not, through the facade of human interactions
As of yet I only feel more and more imprisoned by mundanity as the lies only pile on day by day and the more I learn
Friend's faces change in their representations, trusted establishments become strangers and even ideologically opposed, and nothing seems the same as it once did

I have considered that I am going genuinely insane but the only solution society offers to schizophrenics is drugs which sedate and deaden the senses so that they are merely not a threat to society because of their delusions, barely better than lobotomization so I ask here, in a system that I understood before the change, how do I find peace, is it death?

>>131258542
Jesus is Jehovah

>>131258372
Faith alone. It means you shouldn't have to prove your faith. Of course you do. Some think "works" means good deeds. No, good deeds isn't going to save you. If that were the case Ellen is now saved even though she is a Hollywood Degenerate Homosexual. Look at this.

>(James 2:19) You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.

Demons also believe Jesus saves, yet that is not going to save them because their works are anti-Christ.

So good works is not good deeds that any degenerate can do. Faith alone is meaningless because if even demons believe and yet are condemned than your faith is meaningless. Your works are DEMONSTRATIONS of your faith BEING GENUINE. Demonstrations are so people can see how GENUINE your faith is compared to all the false faiths out there.

>>131258379
>saint john is in danger of losing his salvation
Mkay

>>131258393
>Calling your faith with a bad translation of the hebraic name of God.
>Believing that Deuteronomy is still applicable.
I do not believe that Christ advocated for stoning adulteresses.

>>131258478

I espouse that idea because it is what the Bible says. I trust in Jesus to save me, not my own filthy rags.

>>131256097
All of his ideas were pretty much discarded by Rutherford who founded the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Charles Taze Russell was a businessman that organized other Bibles Student's work into the corporation that he founded to print it.
He was one person in a line of people that led to Jehovah's Witnesses being formed. He took from guys like Henry Grew and George Stores
And then added a bunch of wild speculation. He played his role in organizing the Bible Students, but what Rutherford taught was not from him. The main thing that was taken from him was the printing corporation that he built.

>>131258656

Demons believe in Jesus. The saved believe on him.

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>>131258656
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?

The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. These make it non-Christian.

They are told to shun those who leave their group, for in this way there is no way to see why someone has left and no way to find out that they are in error from those who have found the truth in Christ. They are conditioned to shy away from any real biblically knowledgeable person. An example of this is frequently found on the Internet. I was once banned from a Jehovah's Witness' chat room after I not only answered their objections to the Trinity and deity of Christ but also challenged them in return. Subsequently, my name was passed around to all other Jehovah's Witness' rooms where I was banned from them as well. This is a frequent occurrence on the Internet where the Jehovah's Witnesses are alive and well. It is obvious that critical examination of their doctrines is not encouraged by the Watchtower Organization.

https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian

'JEHOVAH WITNESS' OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 'WATCHTOWER SOCIETY' IS BY-DEFINITION A CULT. THEY WILL SHUN AND KICK OUT MEMBERS THAT TRULY KNOW THE BIBLE. THEY ARE LED BY THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY CULT MUCH LIKE SCIENTOLOGY CHURCH. WATCHTOWER SOCIETY IS A CULT AND THEY BELIEVE BY BEING STIFFNECKED AND PERSECUTED THAT THEY ARE RIGHT.

>>131258656
>It means you shouldn't have to prove your faith.
Do you think that's what Martin Luther meant?

>>131258599
>I'm done here
See, you are filth.
Burn in Hell with the sjws commies and faggots.
(((Cultural))) Christian heathen.

>>131258684
He is saint John? Sorry I didn't knew.

No fruit; no belief. I'm not fooled by your pathetic rookie jew deception.

>>131258048
>His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace

We do not deny those things at all. You are gravely mistaken. However Jesus did not return in the same physical body that he died with. Otherwise the apostles would have recognized him. Pagan influenced 'Christians' have no need for a resurrection, since according to them we have a spooky soul which never actually dies. Also Jesus wasn't really dead so he didn't need a resurrection either. They believe that God can be 3 persons yet 1 person, just like the ancient Babylonians and Egyptians who believed in Trinities. However, "our Jehovah is one Jehovah" (Deuteronomy 6:4). We reject idolatry and paganism in all its forms, and the pollution of pure Bible truth in exchange for the lie.

1 Corinthians 15:24-28 (ESV)

24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God[a] has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

It is clear that the son remains in subjection to the father at all times, including in his heavenly resurrection, and ultimately even Christ will renounce the rulership of God's Kingdom, magnifying his Father's eternal sovereignty over all existence

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>>131258769
>They believe in Christ
>They aren't Christian

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>>131256987
Why are there so many kike shills posting their 2d weaponized degeneracy in this the thread of our lord?

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>>131258708
Jehovah's Witness' Beliefs

1. There is one God in one person, Make Sure of All Things, p. 188. (See False God)

2. There is no Trinity, Let God be True, 2nd Ed., pp. 100-101; Should You Believe in the Trinity? p. 7; Watchtower, 2/1/1960, p. 94, Why Do You Believe in the Trinity? (See False Trinity)

3. The Holy Spirit is a force, not alive, Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 406-407. (See False Holy Spirit)

4. The Holy Spirit is God's impersonal active force, The Watchtower, June 1, 1952, p. 24.

5. Jehovah's first creation was his 'only-begotten Son' . . . was used by Jehovah in creating all other things," Aid to Bible Understanding, pp. 390-391.

6. Jesus was Michael the archangel who became a man, The Watchtower, May 15, 1963, p. 307; The New World, 284.

JEHOVAH WITNESS OTHERWISE KNOWN AS WATCHTOWER SOCIETY BELIEVES JESUS WAS MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL AND THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES NOT EXIST, IT'S JUST SOME FORCE FROM STAR WARS

>>131258823
You are friends with a beast, it is filthy

Come before me and I'll see you slaughtered.

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>>131258886
>doesn't understand names are just names

>>131258877
>However Jesus did not return in the same physical body that he died with.
Huh...
>But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

>And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed

Take your heresy to >>>/b/. You're not Christian.

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>>131251630
Quick question: is Islam a Christian sect? Their doomsday myth entails Jesus being the SAVIOUR and KING. Not to forget they fully accept the Bible as a predecessor.

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>>131258877
You got one down, 29 more to go bud. And by the way, your answer wasn't correct, but I'll give it to you since there's no use in arguing with a 'Watchtower Society' cult member

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-beliefs

>>131258615
>>131258615
>, how do I find peace, is it death?

>(Isaiah 48:18) O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace would become just like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

>(Psalm 119:165) Abundant peace belongs to those loving your law, And for them there is no stumbling block.

>Psalms 55:22 - 22 Throw your burden upon Jehovah himself, And he himself will sustain you.
Never will he allow the righteous one to totter.

>(Philippians 4:6) Do not be anxious over anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving let YOUR petitions be made known to God;

>(1 Peter 5:7) while YOU throw all YOUR anxiety upon him, because he cares for YOU.

>(Matthew 11:28-30) - Come to me, all YOU who are toiling and loaded down, and I will refresh YOU. 29 Take my yoke upon YOU and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and lowly in heart, and YOU will find refreshment for YOUR souls. 30 For my yoke is kindly and my load is light.”

>2 Corinthians 4:7 - However, we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the power beyond what is normal may be God’s and not that out of ourselves

>Proverbs 3:5,6 - Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding. 6 In all your ways take notice of him, and he himself will make your paths straight.

>>131258048
You deny Jesus by rejecting his teachings, enjoy your rabid frothing at the mouth

>>131258071
Jesus was being figurative. When the disciples received Holy Spirit at Pentecost, only the apostles had participated in the so-called Eucharist or Last Supper, and yet the others also had spirit appear upon them. There is no evidence over millenia of the wine and bread ever turning into literal human. But true Christians recognize the value of His sacrifice and follow his example

>>131258886
>They believe in a false Christ
Fix'd.

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>>131258888
Anime is Love

>>131258925
>Come before me and I'll see you slaughtered.
I'll literally knock your teeth out and geld you, pagan faggot. You have no idea.

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>>131259034
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?

The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. These make it non-Christian.

The Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves to be Christians because they believe they are serving the true and living God. Like many cults, they think they are the only true church on earth. Yet, they deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, Jesus' physical resurrection, and salvation by grace through faith.

https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian

'JEHOVAH WITNESS' OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 'WATCHTOWER SOCIETY' ARE CONTROLLED BY THEIR HANDLERS WITH THEIR FAULTY LOGIC AND REASONING AND MISINTERPETING THE BIBLE. THEY EVEN HAVE THEIR OWN VERSION OF THE BIBLE. WATCHTOWER SOCIETY WORSHIPS A DIFFERENT JESUS, MUCH LIKE THE MORMONS WORSHIP A DIFFERENT JESUS AS WELL. THEY SUBVERT CHRISTIAN TERMINOLOGY AND ARGUE ABOUT PETTY SEMANTICS AND SYNTAX. DO NOT BE DECEIVED.

>>131259070
Again, that's just your opinion.

>>131259004
Islam is apostate Christianity, yeah.

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>>131259055
Language used imply otherwise. You don't say that your own flesh and blood must be eaten and drunk and then used a realist language backed up by graphical emphasis(trogo for instance) when making a metaphor

>>131258393
You seem like a dribbling imbecile. You certainly aren't engaging in any sort of intellectual debate, you are no doubt incapable of such. You are what you accuse JWs of, a fanatic, regurgitating slander you've copy/pasted

>>131259004
They don't believe Jesus is the Son of God so they aren't Christian

Thank you Lord Jesus for what you did for us on the cross!

I ask you heavenly Father, in Jesus name, to touch the heart of every person browsing this board that they may experience your unconditional love for all people. Remind them lord that you are love, and in you there is no room for hate whatsoever, so much so that you died for us all while we were yet sinners who reviled you!

I pray for freedom to everyone on this board, I command all spirits of lying, sexual immorality, hate, anger, slander, malice, depression, procrastination, and every unclean spirit out of every person who browses this board in Jesus name right now!

You are love God, therefore we shall love, you are merciful, therefore we are to be merciful, as the Bible says, be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

We await your return Lord, and in that day you shall judge all people by what is in their hearts. You are light, and in you there is no darkness at all, and in that day every evil deed will be brought to the light. Every person who has hated others and reviled others in your name, will be exposed, even those who did miracles in your name but practiced lawlessness, shall be judged.

Those of us who loved you, and kept your commandments Father, await you with all patience and endurance. We cry daily, and pray without ceasing, fighting the good fight, until your glorious coming Lord Jesus. Thank you! Amen!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF6aBDS3drA

>>131258600
You follow Constantine, not Christ, whom you reject by rejecting his words. You are a polytheist and an idolater

>>131259144
No, actually that's a demonstrable fact. The true Christ is Jehovah God.

>>131259181
They do believe that Jesus is the Son of God, they don't believe that Jesus is God.

>>131259034
Sure but how do you do all of that?
I am bitter beyond words and my mind is wracked with distrust and conspiracy to the point of inaction
Where does one begin, I am incited to rage every point I try to start at by the setbacks handed to me by the world and its systems which may or may not be blessed by God's will

>>131259250
That's not a fact.

>>131259134
Then what religion is christian ? where the Pharisees and the Sadducees not real jews ? they both had a other belief system

>>131259295
Yes it is. The bible teaches it.

>>131259004

No, the Christ the Muslims are looking forward to is the antichrist that Christians are looking forward to.

The actual doctrine of Sunni Islam is that Jesus, when he returns, will "break the cross and kills the pigs" -- i.e. he will show that the crucifixion was a lie, he wasn't crucified, he's not the Son of God, and Christians will have to convert to Islam or die.

1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come.

>>131258652
No he isn't. Jesus is God's servant. God is one. He sent his servant, Jesus, to provide salvation, just as Jesus' name means Jehovah is salvation. Just as Jehovah provided salvation through Joshua to the Israelites (Joshua is another form of the name Jesus). Jehovah is a unique name in all creation, whereas many have been called Yeshua or Yehoshua or its many variants. True, Jesus' role is unique and great, even awe inspiring. Just because God is supreme and no one should diminish his omnipotence in any way, but Jesus' role deserves very great honour indeed.

>>131259347
Really, Colossians 1:15 says calls him the firstborn of every creature.

>>131259004
The slavery of the Bible was okay. That was debt slavery where a man sold himself into slavery to pay off a debt or to earn something from the master. Jacob sold himself to slavery for 14 years to marry Leah and Rebeccah. Slavery in the Bible was regulated so a slave would continue to be regarded as a human with rights. If a master murdered a slave the master was executed himself. If a master was abusive and cruel the slave would be released. Kidnapping and selling kidnapped human was punishable by death. When a slave was freed or payed off his debt the master was required to give the free slave a severance payment or supplies to leave.

The classical abusive slavery that everyone knows of today wasn't practiced in Israel.

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>>131259174
>implying jehovah witnesses are not dribbling imbeciles themselves
>implying you can have a constructive debate with a jehovah witness

Why don't you go take a long hard look in the mirror. Do you realize how obnoxious you guys look to everybody? Seriously, just think and get out of your church and think for yourself at once. Normal Spirit-filled Christians do not act as obnoxious as you. I'm simply mirroring your attitude right back at you. This is how we fill whenever your cancerous cult takes up our space.

Also, is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian? The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. These make it non-Christian. In addition, to support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness' theology) has altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings.

https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian

JEHOVAH WITNESS OTHERWISE KNOWN AS WATCHTOWER SOCIETY, BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR VERSION OF KINGDOM ON EARTH AS IT IS ON HEAVEN. WATCHTOWER SOCIETY CULT MEMBERS WORSHIP A DIFFERENT JESUS LIKE THE MORMONS DO. WATCHTOWER SOCIETY HAVE A PERSECUTION COMPLEX, IF YOU DEBATE THEM THEN THEY TAKE IT AS A SIGN OF THEIR FAITH, WHEN IN REALITY THEY ARE JUST BEING VERY OBNOXIOUS. THERE IS NO USE IN ARGUING WITH A WATCHTOWER SOCIETY CULT MEMBER. THEY ARE BY-DEFINITION BRAINWASHED.

>>131259230

Oh wow. You're probably so ignorant of basic Christian history that you think the Council of Nicaea formulated the trinity. That's embarrassing. You just embarrassed yourself.

>>131259432
>>131259004
>(Proverbs 13:24) The one holding back his rod is hating his son, but the one loving him is he that does look for him with discipline.

>(Proverbs 22:15) Foolishness is tied up with the heart of a boy; the rod of discipline is what will remove it far from him.

>(Proverbs 23:13, 14) Do not hold back discipline from the mere boy. In case you beat him with the rod, he will not die. 14With the rod you yourself should beat him, that you may deliver his very soul from She′ol itself.

>(Acts 16:22) And the crowd rose up together against them; and the civil magistrates, after tearing the outer garments off them, gave the command to beat them with rods.

>(Proverbs 29:15) The rod and reproof are what give wisdom; but a boy let on the loose will be causing his mother shame.

>(Psalm 23:1-4) Jehovah is my Shepherd.... For you are with me; Your rod and your staff are the things that comfort me.

Rods were not used for weapons of violence nor for killing. A rod, or a thin stick, was used for discipline and punishment. It was also used by shepards to move sheep and goats. The Bible advices using rods to discipline children. It was also used to discipline criminals of low crimes.

If a person beat a slave to death WITH A ROD it was seen as intent of murder. However, it the slave lingers on for days and then dies it was seen as unintentional and accidental. That's what this is talking about.

Nice try.

>>131259144
>Again, that's just your opinion.
Nah.
>For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
And...
>Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles. But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.

Youre satanic brah.

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>>131259432
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian? The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. These make it non-Christian. In addition, to support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness' theology) has altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings.

https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian

JEHOVAH WITNESS OTHERWISE KNOWN AS WATCHTOWER SOCIETY IS A CULT. THIS JEHOVAH WITNESS PROBABLY BROUGHT HIS FRIENDS OVER FROM DISCORD CHAT SO THEY CAN FILL UP A THREAD WITH THESE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY CULT MEMBERS AND DROWN IT IN THEIR CULT BRAINWASHING. GO START YOUR OWN THREADS.

YOU. ARE. NOT. CHRISTIAN.

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Anyone who thinks the trinity wasn't taught by the earliest of church fathers, should read this excellent article which includes many quotes from the fathers.

The trinity is biblical, and it has been taught from the earliest times by the church.

https://www.tms.edu/m/msj24l.pdf

>>131259480
That says that nobody should teach anything the Bible does not teach about Christ. I haven't done that.

>>131258695
It isn't a bad 'translation', since it isn't a translation more a transliteration. There is no consensus on the original pronunciation of the tetragrammaton. Why do you use 'Jesus' since that is nothing at all like 'Yeshua'? Deuteronomy is still applicable, because God doesn't change. Do you believe it is acceptable to commit adultery? Then you reject the words of Jesus and Paul. We don't apply the letter of the Law of Moses as Christians of course, but we don't reject monotheism. Polytheists are really not Christians, just as Jews who worshipped 'the Queen of the Heavens' were rejected by God

>>131258733
James 2:14-16

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

>>131259426
Actually it calls Him the firstborn of all creation, and in 1st century Rome firstborn was a synonym of 'heir'.

>>131259130
>no fruit
A common theme in your life.

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Everything is Satan?

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>>131259463
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?

The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace.

The Jehovah's Witnesses are discouraged from looking into Jehovah's Witness' history or old Watchtower literature which is replete with contradictions, altered doctrines, and false prophecies. Instead, they are indoctrinated repeatedly against basic Christian doctrines (Trinity, deity of Christ, etc.,) and into the notion that they alone are the true servants of God and that all others are either in "Christendom" or simply unbelievers.

https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian

>>131258769
You're just like the Pharisees who blocked their ears when Paul was speaking, screaming at the top of their lungs. Your cult like behaviour and mentality is obvious

>>131259623
Heir: a person legally entitled to the property or rank of another on that person's death

>>131259656
Anime is pornography. Vile and an abomination.

You must rid yourself of that perversion at once.

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>>131259692
>is in a cult
>calls me a cult member even though im not a member of any church

Primarily, the Jehovah's Witness' organization is a mind-control organization that uses its people to pass out literature and send in "donations" to the headquarters in Brooklyn, New York.

"Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization and not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible."(The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967, p. 587.)

https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian

>>131259698
Exactly. Colossians 1:15 simply teaches that Christ is to inherit all things.

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>>131259725
I can't do it. I love being lewd and horny

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>>131259608
>That says that nobody should teach anything the Bible does not teach about Christ. I haven't done that.
Your cult edited and abridged the Bible and made your own false satanic bible the New World Translation. And like the Catholics you removed entire verses that contradict your false gospel.

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>>131259463
Welcome back.

>>131259725
I don't think so.

>>131259767
Your intentionally leaving out the part of inheriting something, which means you get it from another person.

>>131259692
He is right, Jehovas Witnesses are not Christian and have distorted the Bible

John clearly tells us the Word was God, and the Word became Flesh, Jesus' divinity is clear throughout the entire Bible.

My girlfriend was a Jehova's Witness for many years, but now she experienced the power of God in her life, she was prayed for and set free and experience the love of the Holy Spirit and is now devoted follower of Jesus Christ who she confesses as Lord and Savior.

Please watch out my friend, Satan wants nothing more than to remove all power and divinity from Jesus, because he knows that Jesus is the only hope for mankind. For there is no other name under heaven by which we must be saved!

I ask you Father to open this persons eyes to who you really are, in Jesus name, Amen!

>>131259805
Man to man I am begging you do drop it.

>>131259004
No, Islam is neither a sect nor Abrahamic. What makes Abraham unique is that he believed in the promise of the seed and for need for atonement. Abraham was also made the promise that from his seed all the earth would benefit from God and the seed that would provide atonement.

Islam does not believe in the need of a Messiah, does not believe in the existence of sin, does not believe in the need for atonement for sin. They believe Jesus was just a man who played a minor role history. The seed that would multiply from Abraham was the Israelites from Isaac and Israel. This would eventually include the grafted-in Christians. Islam is completely Abrahamic. It is a desert religion worshipping Hubal, the moon god of the Arabs. That's why their symbol is the moon.

>>131259841
Go ahead and explain your statement.

>>131259000
The apostles didn't recognize Jesus (nor did the other disciples) when he first saw them. Also on one occasion Jesus travelled through a solid wall. Also, if Jesus had the exact same physical body, then he didn't die because that body wasn't dead. Therefore he didn't provide the ransom.

The holes in his hands and in his side were merely manifestations to win the faith of doubtful Thomas. You disbelieve that Jesus could do this?

>>131259032
Keep posting your unthinking copypasta screeds, all opposers of truth must continue to wage war on behalf of Satan, as you do. You will either realize your error, or receive the wages that this unthinking animalistic opposition to Christ will earn, just as did Hitler, Stalin, Judas and all other opposers of Jehovah and his witnesses (including Jesus, the faithful and true witness, whose words you reject)

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>>131259848
Oh, you are awake. Hello :3

>>131259898
>man to man
I am not gay

>>131259633
I lend without expecting in return.
Want to get really mad?

I loaned my Mexican friend Santiago $500 over a year ago and havent sren a dime from him since.

You are projecting, son of Belial. It is the man in the mirror that is good for nothing and only takes from this world and never gives freely.

>>131259610

Works justify you in the sight of man, not in the sight of God. One reason you will see half the folks in this thread shrieking about demanding works be shown unto them.

Your filthy rags will not save you from Hell. Jesus will.

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>>131259970
Jehovah's Witness' Beliefs

1. There is one God in one person, Make Sure of All Things, p. 188. (See False God)

2. There is no Trinity, Let God be True, 2nd Ed., pp. 100-101; Should You Believe in the Trinity? p. 7; Watchtower, 2/1/1960, p. 94, Why Do You Believe in the Trinity? (See False Trinity)

3. The Holy Spirit is a force, not alive, Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 406-407. (See False Holy Spirit)

4. The Holy Spirit is God's impersonal active force, The Watchtower, June 1, 1952, p. 24.

5. Jehovah's first creation was his 'only-begotten Son' . . . was used by Jehovah in creating all other things," Aid to Bible Understanding, pp. 390-391.

6. Jesus was Michael the archangel who became a man, The Watchtower, May 15, 1963, p. 307; The New World, 284.

I'm fairly sure Star Wars got its idea of The Force from your cult. I bet your Watchtower Society friends really loves Star Wars, thinking they'll be the 144,000 Jedis in the New Earth. Right?

>>131259970
You think Hitler was evil? Why?

>>131259172
Jesus was testing his disciples don't forget. In that passage, only the apostles maintained their faith in Jesus, all the rest left Him. Jesus also said that he didn't come to bring peace to the world, but a sword. Well if you look at the context and subsequent history, it was not the Christians who were causing problems in the family but unbelieving relatives who opposed Christians in their own families.

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>>131260015
Hey, how are you doing?

>>131260096
One can't just take a human life.

>>131259970

He didn't have the "exact same" body, but a glorified body.

As Paul explains:

There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.

42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

>>131259004

No islam says there is no christianity there is no judaism we corrupted the text there was only islam

>>131259610

>Romans 4 King James Version (KJV)

1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

>>131260150
Pretty good I guess. Bout chu?

>>131260150
God loves war.

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>>131259928
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?

The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace.

The Watchtower organization of the Jehovah's Witnesses is a non-Christian organization that uses its people to promulgate false doctrines, collects "contributions" for distribution of a multitudinous amount of literature, and expands its grip into the lives of its members and their families.

It is a non-Christian cult.

https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian

JEHOVAH WITNESS OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 'WATCHTOWER SOCIETY' BELIEVES THAT BY POSTING IN THIS THREAD AND BEING OBNOXIOUS, THAT THEY WILL BE ONE OF THE LUCKY 144,000 TO SURVIVE IN THE END TIMES. THEY DESPERATELY WANT TO SECURE A SLOT AND BE IN ONE OF THE 144,000 OUT OF THE 6 BILLION ON THIS EARTH. ALSO, THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY MEMBERS BROUGHT OVER THEIR FRIENDS, THIS IS HOW THEY OPERATE, AS A FLOCK BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A CULT, THEY INFILTRATE ANY CHRISTIAN THREADS AND SUBVERT BY USING CHRISTIAN TERMINOLOGY WHEN IN REALITY THEY ARE MORE OF A NEW-AGE 1860's CULT.

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I've got to get some sleep.

Keep strong, my lads. Ignore the sodomite filth in this thread and future threads, the only reason they post hateful or tempting images is because they have found enjoyment in their SIN. Don't join their ranks, your life will end one day and you will have to face judgement. Repent for your sins, and God bless your soul.

>>131259888
This is a link to why that scripture is not clear. I'll sum it up to this, because there is no indefinite article in the original language the translator makes the choice as to what they believe it should say. Based on what they believe the sentence is trying to say.
It the Word was God or if the Word was a god.

>>131259436
>"You're a cancerous unchristian cult!"
>"You hurt my feelings by being so obnoxious"

lel
Love the allcaps by the way, you really must be starting to get fully unhinged

I don't really practice anymore since I've been out of Catholic high school. My parents are pretty die hard Guatemalan Roman Catholics though. I still have an inkling of faith since I like to be optimistic and it's easy to not be a degenerate.

I'll probably end up sending my kids to Catholic school just to avoid the public system. Sorry for the blog post.

>>131260261
I didn't link it sorry, here it is.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20081101/was-the-word-god/

>>131259957
You rewrote the scriptures and removed anything that refered to the divinity of Jesus, just like the Catholics removed the 2nd commandment.

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>>131260121
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?

The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace.

The Society was led by Mr. Henschel who died in 2003. The group has over 4 million members worldwide. The Watchtower Society statistics indicate that 740 house calls are required to recruit each of the nearly 200,000 new members who join every year.

The Jehovah's Witnesses have several ‘book studies' each week. The members are not required to attend, but there is a level of expectation that gently urges converts to participate. It is during these ‘book studies' that the Jehovah's Witness is constantly exposed to counter Christian teachings. The average Jehovah's Witness with his constant Watchtower indoctrination could easily pummel the average Christian when it comes to defending his beliefs.

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-history

JEHOVAH WITNESSES OTHERWISE KNOWN AS WATCHTOWER SOCIETY EVEN DENY THEIR OWN HISTORY. THEY DISOWN THEIR HISTORY. THEY HAVE SEVERE COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. THIS IS BY-DEFINITION A CULT. THEY NEED TO COVER-UP AND MAKE-UP THEIR HISTORY LIKE NORTH KOREA. IF THEY CANNOT EVEN TRUST THEIR OWN HISTORY, HOW CAN THEY EVEN BELIEVE IN THEIR OWN CULT RELIGION???

>>131259623
>>131259698
Throught the Bible prototokos is always a literal firstborn

Col 1:15 also cannot be preeminent/heir because there was ALREADY A WORD FOR PREEMINENCE IN KOINE GREEK!! Proteuo.

In fact, not only was there a word for Preeminence in Greek but Paul used both the words firstborn and preeminence IN THE SAME SENTENCE.

>Col 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn(PROTOTOKOS) from the dead, that in all things He might have the preeminence(PROTEUO). 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

>Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn(PROTOTOKOS) from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence(PROTEUO). American Standard Version (ASV)

>Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn(PROTOTOKOS) from the dead, that in everything he might be pre-eminent.(PROTEUO) English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)

>Col 1:18 [a]And he is the head of the body of the Church: he is the beginning, and the [b]first begotten(prototokos) of the dead, that in all things he might have the preeminence(PROTEUO). 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

>Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn(PROTOTOKOS) from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence(PROTEUO). Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


Actually, no they do not declare it to be preeminent/heir but to be LITERAL firstborn. The proof is the Koine Greek language itself and Colossians 1:18 up above. There was already AN ACTUAL WORD for preeminence and it was PROTEUO. Not only that but Paul used both PROTEUO and PROTOTOKOS in the SAME SENTENCE!! That alone disproves this argument. How can Paul have SAID preeminence and MEANT preeminence with TWO DIFFERENT WORDS IN THE SAME SENTENCE?!?

>>131260261
Pretty clever idea. God is language. I believe it. Dancing flames are like letters.

Am I understanding this correctly? I wont clcik your link. Reason with me.

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>>131260272
Nope, trying to get it through your thick skull. It's really a shame your religion is based on ALL-CAPS people in real-life so I'm just mirroring your behavior back at you. Many people out there are too nice to tell it to you like it is, so take it like I'm doing you a favor.

Finally, is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian? The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace.

>>131259446
God the Father: Origin of All things.
God the Son: First Verb, perfect expression of His Will.
God the Spirit: The perfect execution of God's will.

>>131260385
I don't know what you are trying to say?

>>131260446
Nevermind it then

>>131259970
>The apostles didn't recognize Jesus (nor did the other disciples) when he first saw them
So what? Jesus also pulled the veil over the eyes of the temple priests, and the mob several times and escaped their persecution.

>Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready. The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil. Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.

>But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret. Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he? And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people. Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews.

>>131260246
I'm doing fine too.

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>>131260360
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?

The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace.

The Jehovah's Witnesses vehemently portray the doctrine of the Trinity as pagan in origin and that Christendom, as a whole, has bought the lie of the devil. Along with denying the Trinity is an equally strong denial of the deity of Christ, the deity of the Holy Spirit, the belief in hell, and eternal conscious punishment in hell.

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-history

JEHOVAH WITNESS OTHERWISE KNOWN AS WATCHTOWER SOCIETY DENIES THE HOLY SPIRIT. INSTEAD OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, THEY HAVE THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY CULT RELIGION INFUSED INTO THEIR MIND. THEY ARE A CULT AND USE CHRISTIAN TERMINOLOGY TO SUBVERT ANY CHRISTIAN GROUPS OR AREAS. THEY DELIBERATELY LIE, STEAL, AND MURDER TO GET THINGS THEIR WAY. WATCHTOWER SOCIETY MEMBERS CANNOT BE TRUSTED.

>>131259446
Actually the doctrine of the trinity was not formed at Nicaea, nor did Athanasius promulgate it or promote it. What was accepted at Nicaea was more like binatarianism. The Council of Constantinople is more responsible for this blasphemous abomination. The concept of the Trinity does not appear in Christian writings much before Nicaea anyway. It is more Theodosian than the promotion of Constantine, however he supported the notion of Christ's being coeval and coequal with God, as a pagan he had no problem with this notion, especially as he seemed to identify himself as an incarnation of Christ and the unconquered Sun.

References in Origen (or was it Tertullian, I forget) to trinities do not appear to mirror the so-called Athanasian concept (as I said this was not exactly held by Athanasius). JWs are more in the Arian camp, and Arian Christians have been persecuted throughout the ages (including being burnt at the stake, like Tyndale, interestingly that was how monotheist Polycarp was murdered by the Romans)

>>131260261
It is translated "God", not "a god", and regardless that is just one clear example that shows the divinity of Jesus very clearly.

The very perfect life of Jesus and his sacrificial act for all mankind already shows that he is actually God, for those who have any understanding of Christian theology. Nobody other than God has this sort of power.

Jesus had authority and spoke and acted in the place of God, why else do you think the Pharisees wanted to kill him? They clearly saw that he was "blaspheming".

The disciples clearly thought of him as God as well, worshiping him and wondering at how he had the authority to even calm down the winds and waters. Thomas called Jesus "My Lord, my God" and Jesus accepted it, did not rebuke him.

Also in Philippians, read:

"Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men."
(Philippians 2:5-7)

Paul clearly saw Jesus' equality to God.

>>131260121
>Jesus was testing his disciples don't forget. In that passage, only the apostles maintained their faith in Jesus, all the rest left Him.
All the apostles save John abandoned Jesus, fool.
Peter even denied Him thrice.

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>>131260538
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?

The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace.

Jehovah's Witnesses faithfully go door-to-door preaching the "Kingdom of God" that is taught them via the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. They are usually quite polite and sincere in their efforts of communicating "Jehovah's Good News." As always, they carry with them several books and magazines, some of which are the New World Translation (their Bible, which has been altered in many places), the Awake Magazine, and, of course, the ubiquitous Watchtower Magazine.

https://carm.org/watchtowerites

JEHOVAH WITNESS OTHERWISE KNOWN AS WATCHTOWER SOCIETY REALLY SHOULD BE CALLED 'WATCHTOWERITES'. THEY DO NOT WORSHIP JEHOVAH AS IN THE BIBLE, THEY WORSHIP AND DO THE BIDDING OF WATCHTOWER SOCIETY. IN REALITY, THEY ARE WATCHTOWERITES AND THEY ARE A CULT WHERE THEIR MODUS OPERANDI IS TO GET IN YOUR FACE AND SCREAM AT YOU LIKE HOW I AM DOING TO THEM RIGHT NOW. THEY OBNOXIOUS AND THAT IS PART OF THEIR RELIGION.

>>131260075
>>131260216

Paul and James write in the same Bible. We must accept both of their inspired writings. How? Accept that we are saved by faith, but works of faith are evidence that our faith is alive. If we have opportunity to do good works and we resist the power of the spirit in this way, we are putting out the fire of the spirit and weakening our faith, maybe killing it.

>>131258656
True. Undeniably.

>>131260515
Happy to hear, G-God bless you

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>>131260691
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?

The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace.


The Jehovah's Witnesses receive their direction from The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society headquartered in Brooklyn, New York. This organization claims to be the channel of communication from God to his people, that it represents Jesus on earth, and that you cannot find Scriptural guidance outside of it as an organization. Consider the following quotes:

1) "It should be expected that the Lord would have a means of communication to his people on the earth, and he has clearly shown that the magazine called The Watchtower is used for that purpose."1

2) Make haste to identify the visible theocratic organization of God that represents his king, Jesus Christ. It is essential for life. Doing so, be complete in accepting its every aspect."2

3) "We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the 'faithful and discreet slave' organization."3

https://carm.org/watchtowerites

>>131260257
You're a sad fanatic with your copypasta screeds and inability to engage in any sort of debate or critical thinking of any kind. Perhaps you will try to repent and learn about the truth and the narrow road to salvation as Paul did who also opposed Christianity

>>131259848
Hey, how'z it going. I also have this thread up. >>131255039 Judging by your flag are you Muslim? If so that thread I opened up might interest you. If you're not Muslim than ignore it.

>>131260360
>>131260437
>>131260360

Whatever happened to that failed 1975 prophecy that caused over 1 million JW to leave the religion?

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Jehovah's witnesses' "Bible" is so dumb.

They will translate the Greek word for worship as, guess what, worship when it's applied to God.
But when that EXACT SAME WORD is applied to Jesus they will translate it "performed obeisance"
Why this deceit in their translation?

Because they're a dishonest, lying cult.

>>131260814
Nope, I'm not ex-muslim :) but that's a nice thread.

>>131260437
Funny, most people I know think that JWs are extremely nice IRL and at their doors. I prefer to receive Christ's approval than receive kudos from a low IQ nutjob know-nothing, but that could just be me

>>131260808
>as Paul did who also opposed Christianity
Wew lad!

>>131260508
Jesus could have 'pulled the veil over the eyes' of Thomas. Certainly he could have manifested a body with the same injuries

>>131259610
I prefer to call Him Christ. In flesh he was called Yeshua. If you want to apply deuteronomy "as is" (goat sacrifice included), it means that His message has not deepened in you.

>>131260691

Of course. Our works are evidence to the world that we are saved.

I think our disagreement lies with whether or not those with no works are damned. I do not believe they necessarily are.

>>131260881
What are you if you don't mind me asking? How do they treat you in your country?

>>131260557
The Greek there leaves possible the translation 'a God'. In fact it is the only logical choice. The syntax is, roughly, in the beginning the God was and the Word was with the God and the Word was God. Clearly, there is a distinction between God's divinity and Christ, because of the omission of the definite article. The indefinite article has to be inserted according to context. Later in the chapter, John says (vs 18) that no man has seen 'the God' at any time, but 'the only begotten God' has explained him. Jesus is a divine being, but not the same person as the Almighty God, the (definite article) true God, a begotten being with great power but subordinate in status.

>>131259610
Not a transliteration. His pronunciation was Yahweh.

>>131260968
But that's not what the Bible teaches, nor and church before your JW heresy of the 19th century.

Seriously how ignorant and delusional must a person be to think that everyone else was wrong, billions of people for 1900 years.

It's so preposterous that it is an exercise is futility to even engage you. You are brainwashed bruh.