>mfw atheist think thoughts come and go from nowhere/nothing

>>131223453
>The drama came before the play. Destroying a play doesnt destroy drama.
Again, what reason do you have to believe that this analogy is accurately descriptive of reality?
You realize that analogies are just tools, right? I'm trying to get to the bottom of what the fuck you're basing this idea on that the elements in the drama analogy correspond to reality in any way?

What reason do you have to believe that consciousness and soul are one and the same?
If they are, wouldn't that then mean that a dog has a soul as well, since it's consciousness is essentially similar in nature as a human's, only lower fidelity?

you lads are way too arrogant and jump to conclusions, I get the feeling you don't even really gauge the concepts that you're using

>>131223453
>atheist will come back to the slaughter every time
Has op beyond doubt proven infinity?

>>131223734
So you think eternity is illogical?
>ANON THIS RETARDED

>>131223903
>atheist will come back to the slaughter every time
not an atheist, I just think his idea of consciousness and soul being one and the same is silly and unfounded

>Has op beyond doubt proven infinity?
infinity is already proven by the fact that there's things, whether material itself is eternal or it was created by a god that is eternal is a different story, requires guessing

>>131224059
do you even understand that this is just a jab that is completely unrelated to everything i said?
I just get a feeling I'm talking to someone who has no fucking clue where the conversation even is, every response is in the same spirit, some random insult that cannot even remotely be tied in to the argument

And if you ask for clarification, the response is another "WELL GOD IS ETERNAL, THOUGHTLET. THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, EVEN IF IT IS UNRELATED AND I CAN'T EXPLAIN HOW THIS TIES INTO ANYTHING."

it's just not good argumentation

>>131224223
>he hasnt realized science has proven God by proving infinity and eternity
God IS infinite.
If thought exists as energy which can not be created nor destroyed, they too are eternal.

>>131223734

>If they are, wouldn't that then mean that a dog has a soul as well

All is one. The same stuff, expressed in different ways. No thing can be isolated from "everything else". If consciousness exists, everything is consciousness

>>131223734
A dog has a soul. Clearly.

>>131223453
>Create gods through the network of people's minds
>Hurr Durr my God is real

No. Your (((man))) wielded gods are nothing but what people make of them. Worshippers and rituals make a god. (((Man))) is the creator of the gods you are familiar with.

Keep being retarded and sucking (((cock)))

>>131224482
This view is RADICALLY anti-christian (which is what i think is OP's religion of choice?)

In christian theology, man is the only thing with a soul since man is the only thing that was created in god's image.

>>131224457
>If thought exists as energy
if. IF. I-F. What are you basing this on? What energy?
>which can not be created nor destroyed
But it obviously can be and is created daily, since new human beings are conceived daily. And it obviously is destroyed, since people die daily and their thoughts disappear because the groundwork that they spawn from dies also. Now that doesn't mean there is no god, but it DOES mean that our consciousness is tied to matter, since if it wasn't, we wouldn't be able to affect a consciousness by adding/reducing/changing the matter.

>>131224964
You're wrong. Animals can have demons.

>>131224964
Dude, thoughts are literally energy go look it up. That is actually a known thing in science.
>IF IFIFIFIFIFIF
hello obama

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>>131223453
>mfw atheists think thoughts and free will are just chemical reactions so its not really free will

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>>131223453
>Take the theist pill anon

>>131225376
most abuses are by faggots who are majority atheist.

>>131225189
ok so now demons are introduced to the picture as well?
If a dog is driven not by consciousness but a DEMON, doesn't it then follow that every single non-human living thing is driven by a demon? And therefore we live in a world that is just chock full of demonic beings?

How the fuck does that work with christian theology? This idea doesn't work at all, it's anti-biblical. The bible never says all animals are demonic.

>>131225255
I mean thoughts require the material/atom movement to be what they are, but they're not material in the same sense that a consciousness isn't material (although it is tied to matter in such a way that in humans it can't operate without it).

>>131225376

>Confusing theism and religious doctrine

>>131225590
No. The bible doesn't focus on the animal soul, but they mention it a few times. Animals are not run by demons. Jesus cast demons out of men and into pigs, where they immediately ran into the river and drowned.

Animals have a spirit. This is self-evident.

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>implying harry potter made the world

>>131225590
First of all. Animals have evil within them and good. An evil animal rejects its young from nursing, a good animal will nuture its children. This is because only good can create. And evil is destruction.

Second of all
>material/atom movement to be what they are,
You mean what the entire universe is made of? Nothing in your body is unique, you are made up from the eternity and WILL return to it in eternal suffering or happiness.

>>131225736
>Jesus cast demons out of men and into pigs, where they immediately ran into the river and drowned.
This implies that a demon can possess a man or another animal, not that both have a demon in them by default.
What does the animal have then? It clearly thinks, dreams, does things like a human being except worse (because it's brain/MATTER is worse). You will have to define the difference between a "spirit" and a "soul".

>Animals have a spirit. This is self-evident.
not according to the bible they don't
Okay, but according to you they have a DEMONIC spirit. This is anti-biblical.

This pasta has long gone stale

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>atheists literally can not help themselves from ass rape
Are we going to have atheism humiliated all times of the day from now on?

>>131226099
>You will have to define the difference between a "spirit" and a "soul".
no need. I know a value system must be shocking to you being a recovering atheist.

but a man is a man and a dog is a dog. That's as complex as it gets.

>>131226099
>not according to the bible they don't
wrong

>>131226223
>no need.
there is a need if you want to make sense, but somehow i get the idea that there is no "can" for you. This whole demon shit seems like you just pulled it out of your ass because consciousness and soul being the same simply doesn't work in a biblical framework, since other animals are also conscious

>but a man is a man and a dog is a dog. That's as complex as it gets.
And both are conscious. And according to you, consciousness IS a soul. you have not thought this through.

>>131226099
>according to you they have a DEMONIC spirit.
wrong

they CAN have a demonic spirit, as evidenced by Jesus

>This is anti-biblical.
maybe you should read it for yourself. Demons posessed pigs who were previously docile, and they became enraged. Animals have souls.

>>131226400
wrong wrong wrong

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>>131226099
>let me tell you what it implies even though i never read the bible

>>131226400
consciousness is the ability to determine right from wrong

holy shit OP do you have nothing better to do than post this thread over and over again all day long? don't you have some kids you need to molest or something?

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>>131225443
>atheists
>in a church

>>131223453
Stop reposting this thread.

>>131226455
ah yes, every animal actually has a demon in them from birth to death, why don't you go ahead and run that by a priest or even just another christian and see what they think of that.

Also:
>heh if i just post a fedora, i won't have to actually argue, i am already above it all even thought i'm too dumb to understand what is even being discussed

>>131226629
The Pope is an atheist with a funny hat in a golden church

>>131226656
read the verse where jesus CASTS the demons into the pigs.

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>>131226099
>>131226099
>only things with soul can be posessed by evil
>pigs get posessed because they HAVE A SOUL TO BE POSESSED
>after being filled with evil they KILL THEMSELVES A SIN
>this is not evidence

>>131226629

Pedos go where the children are. It's not more complicated than that. If there's a power structure to hide behind, all the better

>>131223453

True, piazanno.

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>>131226656
>ask one of our priest goyim

>>131226411
>they CAN have a demonic spirit, as evidenced by Jesus
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I JUST SAID DUMMY
and so the question is still the same as before you flip-flopped: What is it they have when they DON'T have a demon in them? Because they are conscious, and their consciousness is just a lower tier version of ours.

>maybe you should read it for yourself.
I have, that's how I know that the bible doesn't say animals are by default driven by demons

>Animals have souls.
Not according to the bible they don't. In genesis only MAN is made in god's image, only MAN is rooted in god. This doesn't fit into your theory at all

>>131224431
>some random insult that cannot even remotely be tied in to the argument

Welcome to 4chin.

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>>131226946

>>131226698
yeah, this completely disproves the idea that they already have a demon instead of consciousness by default. Who/what are you arguing?
>>131226789
>pigs get posessed because they HAVE A SOUL TO BE POSESSED
dummy, if pigs have a soul then a soul is obviously not the same as being formed fromthe same eternal material as god since in genesis only MAN is created with god/soul/image attached to the material

You keep flip-flopping on your own arguments, try to get a coherent hill to stand on here

>>131226946
>Not according to the bible they don't. In genesis only MAN is made in god's image,
1) citation need because you fail to provide the verse you are obviously arent familar with it
2)that doesnt mean animals cant have good or evil

>>131227090
is this image it?
You have nothing anymore?
I'm disappointed, usually people this arrogant at least keep trying.

Lad, take this as a lesson - a soul is NOT consciousness. Alter your worldview accordingly, good luck

>>131227288
>this completely disproves the idea that they already have a demon
an idea born from you

>>131227420
>a soul is NOT consciousness
it is and you're wrong. that's why you can't cite the bible.

deception.

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>>131227414
book of genesis isn't that long lad, you can look this up for yourself.

This should be common knowledge to anyone who is familiar with even the basics of christian theology - man is made in the image of god/has the essence of god, other animals are not and exist only to be subservient to man

>>131227725
>no soul
I win. It's the image that sets us apart from animals.

Everyone has soul

>>131227725
You posted an image were soul is not mentioned ONCE.

>>131223453
>>thoughts are energy and can not be created or destroyed
"I... I don't have evidence for this but you just have to have faith!"
Thoughts are energy in human brains, each is electrical impulses and chemical receptors and "energy" in the strictest sense. If you think anything else then you aren't a logical person, you're in the same camp as "my feeling matter" libtards or Jewish sorcery.
Unless you have evidence stronger than "look how complex the eye is" then fuck off.

>>131228015
wrong. you're arguing from "nothing"

already destroyed that concept which means your conclusions are invalid.

>>131227460
>an idea born from you
no, you brought it up as a response to me asking "if consciousness is soul, then doesn't that mean every other animal has a soul as well?"
If not, your response would have just been "Yes, every other animal has consciousness because they too have a soul similar to ours". but you know that doesn't jive with your system of beliefs so you had to go in this tangeant about some demon shit as a replacement for animals having a lower version of our consciousness

>>131227725
>>131227798
>>131227937
B T F O
>inb4 autistic screeching

>>131228095
wrong. that's why you don't quote.

deception

>>131228095
>hes now ignoring his wreking
LOL
>thinks he knows the bible
Just get in the bun fin

>>131228245
if he's 70+ he gets the old ghettoes. if he's young, it's the train to Auschwitz.

Work Will Set You Free!

>>131228095
Now hold on finland. You have to adress the fact you quouted a verse were soul wasnt even mentioned.
>>131228105

>>131223453
Suck my dick anon. If god is giving me these thoughts, than hes a real fucking asshole. There is nothng more i want than to stop thinking. All it does is cause depression because my mind takes me to places that will NEVER exist in this life. And if these thoughts i have are from god, than how come they dont exist?

>>131227798
Ok well at least you've settled on the belief that all living things have a "soul", and not a demon.
Does a virus have a soul?
Why is the "soul" affected by changes in matter if it's the same material as god?

>>131227937
The bible only ever talks of "soul" in the contects of man doing this and that with their soul. find one verse that mentions the word "soul" in the context of animals and you actually will have formed a coherent metaphysical view!

bonus round:

"The concept of an immaterial soul separate from and surviving the body is common today but according to modern scholars, it was not found in ancient Hebrew beliefs.[1] The word nephesh never means an immortal soul[27] or an incorporeal part of the human being[28] that can survive death of the body as the spirit of dead,[29] In addition Ecclesiastes 9:5 states " For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. "

>>131228982
>get btfo
>moves goalposts
Lmao at your life
Have fun anon. You are just going to display infinity(God) with your inability to stop arguing

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>>131228504
you people are unbelievably lazy, this shit is like 100 words long YOU CAN SEARCH TYHIS FOR YOURSELF

man became a LIVING SOUL, meaning MAN AND MAN ALONE is the thing with a soul.

living soul = living thing

>>131223453
the "theist pill" isn't a red pill
atheism is correct, the universe is materialistic.
i don't believe in god, but i still think there's some value in religion.
people can learn good (and bad) things from religion
right now we can definitely get some good things from religion to destroy feminism and other libtard groups
because of that, i kind of like religious people now because they kind of have a responsibility to destroy cultural marxism

but when it's about the ultimate truth, there is no ultimate purpose and god doesn't exist

i could answer all those question in your op, but then it would be meaningless
all i learned from religious debates is how to argue, but it ultimately doesn't matter.

>>131228982
>Does a virus have a soul?
yes

>Why is the "soul" affected by changes in matter if it's the same material as god?
because pigs don't have thumbs.

image matters.

>>131229342
so you don't matter

>>131229174
explain which goalposts I moved and how.

I also like how the only contribution you made was a fedora pic, then you take 30min to come up a line as mindbogglingly brilliant as "btfo". Bravo sir.

>>131229412
yeah. no one matters and nothing matters.
>"so then why don't we all kill ourselves?", you might say
i would answer, but it's meaningless to argue
cya

>>131228977
you're being punished.

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>>131223453

MFW someone says they're an atheist nigger monkey. It's ok to run over CIA niggers, they aren't human.

>>131229174
FWIW i do believe that all life has the essence of god in it. But I DON'T believe that "consciousness" is the same as "soul" (which is OP's claim). The reason i drilled him into the idea that every other conscious animal must also have a soul is because this makes it impossible for him to maintain that he believes the bible - hopefully this will make him realize that his view is painfully deficient

>>131229660
>replying to something so meaningless
what are you searching for?

>>131228982
Anon, the verse "made in his image" means how God sees himself in a living species. We have thumbs that built and destroyed, language to communicate thought, the eyes and ears and body of man are the eyes and ears and body of God

You are to live and die as a prince, so you may be judged to join the father in the kingdom or burn in hell.
You will move goalposts and deny and fight for your degeneracy to your death. God knows this and YOU know it.

>>131229751
you're wrong though. Everything has a soul. It even says so in your image.

>everything with the breath of life is yours

breath of life.

soul.

>>131229751
>how to spot a rambling thoughtlet the post

Fin status
BINNED

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>>131223453
>Retard to atheist: HAHA YOU BELIEVE THE UNIVERSE CAME FROM NOTHING!!
>Atheist: What if the universe always existed?
>Retard: HAHA YOU BELIEVE THE UNIVERSE ALWAYS EXISTED!! U SO STUPID!!!
>Atheist:What created your jew god?
>Retard: HE ALWAYS EXISTED, DUMMY
There may be a god, but your religion is clearly retarded.

>>131229854
>you're wrong though. Everything has a soul. It even says so in your image.
No it doesn't. It says MAN became a living soul, not "every living thing" became a living soul.
Read again, duder. You're not making yourself look good here.

>>131229823
read this:>>131229317

>You are to live and die as a prince, so you may be judged to join the father in the kingdom or burn in hell.
Literal Heaven/hell don't exist. Even most christians admit to this.

>You will move goalposts
which goalpost and where, faggot

>deny and fight for your degeneracy to your death.

Treating an african foreigner as your own is degenerate to me. But according to the bible this is an obligation.

"degenerate" by whose standards?
I looked at Yahweh's standards and concluded that the this god of the jews is evil by the exact standards that supposedly came from him. Ergo, discarded.

>>131229854
>breath of life.
breath of life =/= a being with a soul. Living thing = living thing with soul.

I shouldn't know more abt christian theology than u fools but oh well

>>131230250
Nothing doesn't exist in this universe you retard

>>131223453
>mfw atheist think thoughts come and go from nowhere
Thoughts come from neurons firing. You, of all people, should know this best.

>nothing in life for no reason
Reason is an anthropological concept and not a fundamental one.

>mfw atheist believe in "nothing"
There are some people who believe in something
Well, I don't believe in what they believe. Quite simple.

>mfw atheist can't rationalize thoughts are energy and can not be created or destroyed
Thoughts are not energy. They are the manifestation energy moving and reorganizing to represent information.

>mfw atheist STILL don't understand God
Usually because theists define God as something so above us that we cannot possibly understand it therefore I couldn't understand God even if I wanted to because NOBODY FUCKING CAN NOT EVEN YOU.

>>131230085
Even us finns have retards among us, just not in such big numbers as yours.

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>>131230448
Cool response.

>>131230386
after having the breath of life in him

like everything else.

And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground--everything that has the breath of life in it--I give every green plant for food." And it was so.

genesis

>everything that has the breath of life in it
>everything that has the breath of life in it
>everything that has the breath of life in it
OH SHIT

>>131230085
please do explain how OP's view isn't completely deconstructed at this point.

And no, memes and 1-liners don't count as answers.

>>131230679
you have failed at every attempt.

>>131230483
Somehow I don't believe he's finnish. But I'm a big fan of binning him anyway.

>>131230679
>>131230724

OP was destroyed 2 threads ago, ofc he would not admit it but i was there.

>>131223453
>mfw theists think the universe had to be created and it couldn't always exist but their God didn't
Your religions are only special pleading without logic

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>>131230822
>IT WAS REAL IN MY MIND

>>131230386
Yes, he recived soul after the breath of life. AFTER THE BREATH OF LIFE SOMETHING ALL LIVINGS THINGS WERE GIVEN
Can you fucking READ?

>>131223453
Opinion discarded. Atheists see no reason to come to the conclusion that your precious sky faggot created everything, nothing more.

>>131231011
>Atheists see no reason
that's become quite clear

>>131230895
just like god is in yours?

>>131230822
>implying
Op has continuously slaughtered you dumb asses. Your current predictament is a nice example of this.
>n-no we already won which is why we are still fighting him

>>131230632
If breath of life was the same as soul, why would it have to mention that one being became a living SOUL, whereas the other things only have the default "breath of life" ?
Why would it need that clarification that MAN became a thing that has a soul?
Why is MAN the only being in the bible that is ever said to have a soul?
Pls find even 1 verse where it says anything about an animal's soul. If you can do that, I will concede that it is coherent to believe that animals do biblically have souls.


desu this is like kickboxing water, it feels like you just make it up as you go along.
I don't even know what belief im spose to be attacking here cus u change from one to another.
If a virus has a soul, as per >>131229350, then that ALSO debunks the idea that consciousness = soul, since a virus isn't conscious.

U see what I mean? I shoot at one island and you just hop to the next and pretend like it's not your island anymore

>>131231076
I have proven his existence through reason.

Infinity exists, ergo God exists. The implications of God's actual existence are profound and come with consequences. Some of which I have touched on. Most of which are detailed in the Bible itself.

>>131231076
You mind is real, you thiughts are energy, energys eternal.

God=infinite eternal concious
Guess whos real according to science? :)

>>131231272
You need God's image to be the God in the flesh. What's your deal?


This is obvious for everyone else.

>>131230724
this is a 1-liner. Pls read what youre responding to and try again.

>>131230817
am binish

>>131230822
yeah, but it's a fascinating topic, shame that these ppl aren't coherent

>>131230904
But plants do "live" and are not "conscious". This would make it so consciousness and "soul/breath of life" are not the same and you've lost the argument. Please stick to your script.

>>131231473
You failed.

>>131231473
K BUT UR RONG DOE 8DD
PRAISE THE LAWD

>>131231473
plants don't have the image to be god. only man does.

image of God.

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WHAT HAVE YOU DONE OP
YOUVE CREATED AN ATHIEST SLAUGHTER HOUSE THEY CANT REFUSE

>>131231473
see? you're just wrong consistently. That's what happens when your entire life up until now has been about pushing "nothing" as a real concept.

>>131231422
biblically only jesus was "God in the flesh", not every human. Why the fuck are you all so clueless about your own religion?

>>131231606
Wrong again

You are Gods of the most high but will die like a prince.

psalms

wrong wrong wrong.

>>131223453
This is an argument for agnosticism

>>131231606
Jesus had hax. Man does not.

>>131231755
Aka babbies first theism

>>131231354
>I have proven his existence through reason.

aka you defined god into existance, too bad you dont have any actual evidence, just word play.

>>131231362
So i could call dark energy god?
another attempt to define god into existance, maybe if you wish really really hard, he will come down your chimney and leave presents for you on christmas.

>>131231491
>this is a 1-liner. Pls read what youre responding to and try again.
Why do i even bother with you mongrels

>>131231535
this is essentially what it devolves into after they realize how retarded their ideas are

>>131231540
.......this has nothing to do with the argument of whether consciousness equals soul.

>>131231598
again, what are you responding to? What are you trying to address?
>pushing "nothing" as a real concept.
what the fuck?

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>>131231824
>aka you defined god into existance
then it's over.

I falsified atheism, and you can't do anything about it. I win.

WE ARE RUNNING IN THE 90s

>>131230605
Let me explain very clearly.
If universe has always existed, then it's infinite and eternal. Therefore, you actually BELIEVE IN GOD.
If universe came from nothing, then you need to prove that nothing can exist. Which you CAN'T DO. Look into physicists trying to discuss nothing. They can't even define nothing nor provide any example of nothing in the universe.

>>131231716
sigh. how bout you go talk to your priest/pastor about the idea that every christian is a god in and of himself, and not just born "from" god. See what they think.
https://www3.nd.edu/~jneyrey1/Gods.html

>>131231971
i could define god as my mother for giving me life, dont you see you have made up just another god among millions of others, the only differences between my mother god and yours is that mine is real and you cant honestly say you have a good reason to believe that yours is a good at all, just like i wouldnt call my mother a god even tho i could.

>>131231920
plants are conscious. they have soul. they do not have Gods image. They have a plant's image.

God in the flesh means God in the flesh. Jesus was all powerful. God came down as Jesus to live life as a man. Man is in Gods image.

>>131232213
Your mothers appetite is eternal, but her life is fleeting.

>>131232278
KEK

>>131232278
we all die, like this thread, but you will keep making them because you seek acceptance.

im gonna go sleep now and you sir need to get a life, taking the bait was fun and all but its getting stale.

>>131231540
So funny. I handed a beautiful flower to a good man today. All i could think of was intelligent design. The colors, symmetry, life. He's already given up on flies and crows.

>>131232709
You can't kill God, but Atheism is a dead religion.

>>131232204
>See what they think.
something extremely jewish and wrong like you.

They would never talk to me. I am the light to their darkness. I would destroy them in an instant.

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>>131232278
>Your mothers appetite is eternal, but her life is fleeting

OP, are you a paid online priest? How do you have so much time and fervor to proselyte channers.

>>131232799
plants have infinite beauty. Whenever you find yourself in need of a mystery, cultivate something.

>>131233276
uberman sleep pattern
superior white genetics

>>131233276
>he thinks OP is a man

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Fix'd it

>>131233400
Fuck wrong thread. Shouldn't keep tabs open to see the flamewars

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>>131233525
>this mortal

>>131233579
I HAVE FAILED IN GOD'S GRACE OF SHITPOSTING
I'll lash myself nao

>>131233656
You're not supposed to look back when Sodom is being rained in fire and brimstone.

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Is that all you have for me?
Pathetic shillcon thoughtlets

It was indeed always self evident OP
Thank you for your service to the board. Too many atheist consumed by nihilism, too little fath and hope

I think of weapons that can utterly cheese people behind armor and walls.So does God want me to kill extraterrestrials, or to do his dirty work? I believe in reason and fact. Assuming that signals sent via neurons are "energy", sure, but normally energy is converted. i.e. kinetic to potential. I understand God. I just don't think that all of these crazy ideologies really make sense when you think about them. One god says "Kill all the gays.". Another says "Oh, just do some shit and I'll let you into the afterlife. Only if you're born into/married into this one particular family, that is.". Finally, one that says "Kill all the gays.", and then "Everyone is equal.", or at least his subjects. Also, I'd rather take a cyanide pill than devote myself to a group of crazies who will believe whatever to escape the thought of no life after death. Then again, there is Buddhism.

>>131236105
God doesn't say to kill gays. God says to stone them to death. He specifically says stone even though swords exist. This isn't a simple instruction to kill. It's a form of evil control. Stones are on the ground. They are everywhere. You administer justice wherever there are stones.

>>131223903
No, infinity would require infinite division. Since a distance can be traversed, there is no infinity in the universe as we currently define infinity.

>>131236508
>energy

>>131224961
>hurr durr my view is very intelligent I go against the crowds Im not a sheep
shut up you do realise that you are so arrogant about something you know jack shit about

mama mia