What does fascism mean to you?

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fascism is alright but it can be done better

>pic related, national capitalism is the redpill

Fascism with a competent, nationalist leader is true freedom. Totalitarianism is freeing when society is infected with degeneracy.

>>131202210
Fascism as a term is too ambiguous.

Fascism means to submit the needs of the individual to the needs of the group: the group comes first, the individual after. However, the purpose of the group is still the benefit of all its individuals. Fascism understands that all other groups (the Outsiders) are, by definition, enemies of The Group (our group). There can never truly be cooperation with them, at best only peace (enforced with the threat of war). Consequently, anything that threatens the integrity of the group (different political ideologies, different groups/members' presence in society) is unacceptable.

>>131202210
Just look up the Doctrine of Fascism and the philosophy of Giovanni Gentile.
> What does Fascism mean to you
Is mostly a meaningless question, asking what Fascism actually means or is is much more important.

>>131202725
Its only ambiguous if you don't know shit about it and take its meaning from how its used today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ot1ddKpfCY

>>131202580
>mandatory obedience to the state
>freedom
what?

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>>131202210
Libertarians are the deal fascists

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>>131202210
>fascism
>literally means faggotry

>>131203471
>have to eat and sleep every day
>can't fly
>can't breathe underwater
>freedom
what?

Freedom only exists in degrees. To accept the limitations one lives under is to free oneself.

>>131202210
Freedom from Hedonism and the security of our culture.

>>131203799
>Freedom only exists in degrees. To accept the limitations one lives under is to free oneself.
No fucking shit. I wasn't denying any of that, but >>131202580 said that fascism with a competent, nationalist leader is true freedom.

>>131203481
> It's an exaltation of a country's tradition
That's wrong, there's a lot of other stuff that goes along with Fascism, and even then Fascism itself isn't really traditionalist, the Fascists of Italy saw themselves as basically a type of Progressive Conservatives, and Fascists aren't overly concerned with a country's tradition so much as certain parts of it they like or deem as useful. Fascism is entangled with a total state and lots of other stuff that's extremely authoritarian.

>>131203799
>To accept the limitations one lives under is to free oneself.
So to accept living under a communist dictatorship is freedom? What?

>>131202210
a poor attempt at emulating the Romans.

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>>131204288
Freedom is to accept one's condition, no matter the condition itself. That's why so many degenerates are deeply unhappy: despite being 'free' they are unable to deal with it. They think freedom is when you do what you want, but Freedom is accepting that you do what you must.

>>131202210

it means authoritarianism, but I'm not a fascist. authoritarianism can go all ways.
People don't want fascism, neoliberalism (EU, Hillary, etc) is close to fascism.

State Controls everything,
People are forced to comply
Mostly privatized economy

The only difference is the things which are good for the people, work / employment.
Hillary and EU hasnt got those. :-p

It's better to stick to Right Wing populism or actual Nationalism to oppose that enforced SJW fascist bullshit and heavy taxation (for no reason other than to give subsidies to corporations).

>>131204738
>The only difference is the things which are good for the people, work / employment.

The only difference is the things which are good for the people, work / employment does not exist in New Fascism / Neoliberalism.

>>131203748
hmm this quite makes one think

>>131204738
> People don't want fascism, neoliberalism (EU, Hillary, etc) is close to fascism.
No that's completely wrong
> State Controls everything
No
> People are forced to comply
Yes but that's an element of the condition of civilized humanity, there will always be states which force compliance on certain issues, that isn't a unique point of Fascism.
> Mostly privatized economy
Can vary.

>>131203471
Fascism is just one of the many ideologies to build a nation upon. We who are born in america are citizen slaves. Thats what your birth certificate is your documentation. There are no free civilizations only different ideas classified by varying degrees of success.

>>131202210
Unification of everyone under most aesthetic rules.
Not tolerance for difference.

>>131202210
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>>131202406
That's actually a pretty cool idea for a flag.

>>131202210
nothing

I don't know, I just know our countries would be better off without nonwhites for the most part.

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>>131202210
Here you go OP

If you'd like some recommended texts let me know.

>>131207313
I would love that.

Fascism necessarily could not be a racist ideology, unlike National Socialism. The express purpose of fascism is to unite all the people of a nation under the supreme leader of said nation. This means that, if a true fascist were to rise to power in the US, he could not be a white nationalist. He would have to be a civil nationalist willing to abolish the rights of the citizenry for the benefit of the state, likely with the ultimate goal of achieving a truly post-racial society (everyone's brown)

Is this a good thing? Certainly not. No fascist dictator has ever truly lived up to this model, which is a good thing. Authoritarian racial supremacy in the form of something like National Socialism or racialist republics are ideal for the preservation of the white race. Fascism wouldn't be too bad for the US though.

/hijacks thread

Which is better?

a) Global Fascism
b) National Fascism

>>131204731
Spiritual freedom from the bondage of pointless materialism

>>131208212
This is not true. a fascist is defined by the people with whom he identifies his nation. If a fascist living in America were to also be a white nationalist (likely the case), and were to claim complete political power, then he would subjugate the wants and needs of all non-whites to those of whites, doing whatever he deemed necessary to make America a white country, or perhaps break off a portion of America's territory to create an ethno-state. Only in an ethno-state are nation and state synonymous.

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>>131207986
Sure thing, my top three essentials would be:

1) The Doctrine of Fascism by Benito Mussolini
2) Fascism viewed from the Right by Julius Evola
3) A Traditionalist confronts Fascism by Julius Evola

>>131208338
Global fascism is humanism. It's the "globalism" we see emerging today. So definitely b) National Fascism.

>>131208958
Thanks. I'm just beginning to transition from traditional monarchy to fascism and these should be very useful.

>>131202210
>Obsessively conforming to government demands.
>Uniforms all the fucking time every fucking where.
>Extremely narrow definition of belonging.

>>131208972
>b) National Fascism.
Is Global Socialism also 'Humanism'?

>>131209304
If we had Hugo boss uniforms I would wear them every day.

>>131209615
>If we had Hugo boss uniforms I would wear them every day.
I'm wearing mine now. LARP'ing is exactly like Cosplay; except different

>>131208338
Ethnonationalism is the ultimate fate of humanity, we just have to fight to make sure our nation is amongst the final ones.

Current nations with ensured futures
>Israel
>China
>Arabic Islam
>India

>>131209353
No, that's communism-lite.

>>131209943
>Israel
Not if America isn't around to protect it
>China
yep
>Arabic Islam
hardly a nation but sure
>India
Do you know how many different ethnic groups live in India? It's practically the Europe of Asia. No single ethnicity to speak of.

>>131202406
trash
stupid nigger
Fascism has to be by nature anti capitalist
>>131202725
if you're a clueless retard is ambiguous

>>131210204
>No, that's communism-lite.
We have one that can see.

Obs.: We live under Global Communism where Socialism is a financial tool used to accommodate the former. Many NatSoc's are called Fascists as a euphemism; likely due to the shared timelines of Hitler & Mussolini

Fascism does not equal NatSoc (not necessarily in all cases)

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>>131210775
>likely due to the shared timelines of Hitler & Mussolini
confirmed for not grasping either ideology to it's full extent

National Socialism was Fascism
Not all Fascism is National Socialism
Both ideologies adhere to the Fascist World View, both follow the great cosmic order.

>Fascism does not equal NatSoc (not necessarily in all cases)
This is correct.

>>131210775
>Fascism does not equal NatSoc (not necessarily in all cases)
more precisely 'Nat'l Fascism' does not equal NatSoc

>>131209943
>Israel
I sure as shit hope not.

>>131202210
facism means underseverd retribution of violence in the hands of a totalitarist state.

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>>131211459
Mata-te colega
Não passas de um gato escaldado a viver sob um estado de merda, sem fé, sem ordem, e sem justiça, educa-te no assunto.

>>131210775
>>131202210
Pic related

>>131211150
>National Socialism was Fascism
>Not all Fascism is National Socialism

This is true. National Socialism is to fascism as apples are to fruit. Fascism is the genus and NatSoc is the species.

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>>131202210

>STRONGER TOGETHER

>>131211459
*totalitarian, and no. Only people who think entirely with their emotions would define fascism in such a way. You even misspelled "fascism", you nigger.

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>>131208338
Define Global and National
Perhaps add International, or Pan-National Fascism, which was certainty the end goal of fascist regimes in the early 20th century. A world of Identity and Order.

Don't say modern gloabalism has anything to do with Fascist ideology and Fascist worldview. Because today it's about a machination and enslavement of Humanity, whilst fascism advocates for an organic model.

>>131202210
Fascism is peculiar of a nation (Italy) in a peculiar historical period (1922/1943) can't be applied to other country in modern times as it was for Italy at that time. While nationalism can of course.

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>>131211914
Arguing anything whatsoever with people who can't define the very words they use
Most here couldn't tell you the difference between Authoritarian and Totalitarian, let along find out Fascism is more than an insult the child throws at his father when he stops him from getting burnt at the stove.

>>131212192
Wrong
Principles and worldview are eternal, institutions aren't, you refer to the institutions of applied fascism of 20th century Italy, not Fascism in it's whole extent.

>>131202210
fascism in 4 words for me:
united we are strong

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>>131212634
THIS!

Fascism is the worldview of truth. National Socialism, italian fascism, Spanish Falangism, etc. are all expressions of this wordlview.

>>131212302
for what purpose

>>131212192
That's so stupid.

Fascism does not have Italian in its definition, nor does national socialism have German in its definition. Just because these are the only countries so far to be controlled by these means doesn't mean they can only apply to them. That's like saying democracy is peculiar to Athens and what we have now in America is just republicanism.

The term "fascist" is derived from the word "fasces", which is a bundle of sticks tied around an axe and represents strength of unity. Any group which emphasizes unity above all is de facto fascist.

>>131211647
>This is true. National Socialism is to fascism as apples are to fruit. Fascism is the genus and NatSoc is the species.
For the sake of comprehension by OP; can this be seen as a maxim/idiom? If so, and if OP is genuinely interested in the nuances; then Bravo Zulu/

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>>131212758
Maybe because collective efforts yield the greatest achievements? Fuck outta here ol' I'M A SINGLE COG looking ass

>>131212758
Advancing the interests of the nation.

>>131202725
You mean too vague, there is a difference. Typical brit, needing to be taught English by big dicked Americans.

>>131212293
Principles of fascism are strong nationalism and athoritarian state, the individual live and work only for his/her nation. How can you apply this worldwide? Would be something really different. How can you apply fascism to nation with different religions?
Also autarky can be obtained by only few big and powerful nation like USA or China

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>>131202406
Imo it needs the snakes in some sort of plate/lamellar armor to imply rigidity

>>131202210
The fascia is supposed to demonstrate how a single stick is easily broken but together they are formidable. This isn't the false "stronger together" shit from the dems. This is about having people who can't be racist or prejudiced to each other. Remove everything that can divide people and they will be unstoppable.

>>131203748
>an apple a day keeps the doctor away
>your daughter is the apple of your eye
>eat your daughter to stay healthy

Interpreting metaphors literally is a sign of autism.

Underrated system that has its place.

>>131212758
for a greater purpose,the good of the people and therefore the nation

>>131213524
>Underrated system that has its place.
...in a White society. What works well for one race, obviously won't work well for all. The larger point being that we live under Global Communism where Socialism is used by a small group to move treasure away from a nation, and into the hands of the undeserving and its enemies.

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>>131202210
Fascism is Monarchy within government, therefore inferior to Monarchy in every way because government is cancer and one of the worst turns humanity ever made. Read Hoppe.

>>131203799
What a dumb fucking statement. Congrats you get the most retarded /pol/ user of the month award.

>>131213421
>How can you apply fascism to nation with different religions?
Then you have yourself a question made only due to an incomplete starting point. The notion of Nation as per Fascist world view does not include "different religions" (assuming you're talking about a scenario where the religions are almost antithesis of each other). Since Fascism has it's own world view, it is also understandable that some religions aren't compatible. Imagine a religion where absolute egalitarianism in societal organization, and cannibalism and infanticide constitute core parts of it. Would the Fascist worldview not be contradicted?

And before you ask about different races in a nation (again careful with how you define and catalog the nations) just look for the definition and origin of the concept of Nation, the essence of Nation, and you will see the issue.

>>131212772
That's not stupid cause if you want to apply the principles of Fascism to a nation you need to modify it to that specific nation and time, you can't copy the italian system of the 20's, as Mussolini has been ispired by romans' imperial age. Good luck to impose a dictator to a nation like USA that have their fundation and costitution based on republicans values and personal freedom

>>131202210
Collectivism+Authoritarianism
And it means that to me because it objectively is.

>>131203172
This dudes videos are top notch

>>131213421
And sorry I forgot to address the main point of your question
>How can you apply this worldwide?
The principles are eternal, and an authoritarian state isn't necessarily a principle but essentially a "mandatory" form of oragnizing a Nation under the principle of hierarchy and of "collective of individuals". You said "fascism is only in italy in xx years" but what you essentially said was reduce this entire worldview to a single one of it's instances, aka an old institution- not the principles upon which the institution was based.

>>131214548
>you can't copy the italian system of the 20's

That's exactly the crux of my argument. Fascism can be (and must be) applied independently of the Italian model.

>>131214433
>Then you have yourself a question made only due to an incomplete starting point.

Well if the definition of fascim is what you say then yes can be applied to almost all ethinic groups and religions in the world (with the exclusion of tribal/primitive society that need to be civilized before they can understand the concept of nation and progress)
But you need to explain each time what fascim is for you, among the common people fascim only means an historiacal period ended with the WWII

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I want a purpose in life beyond just existing.
I want the state to use its resources to promote values like pride in your own heritage
I don't want to feel alienated from my own volk.
I'm sick to death of sick Individualism and all its vanity.

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>>131202210
people glued together and used as a bludgeon comes to mind.

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>>131214984
Defined as a such system make sense and is something that can applied in the world as whole.
Following that principles almost all (if not all) of the greatest empires of the past have prospered under fascim.
And nowday and half of the world is living under it too:
-China
-All Islamic/Sharia nation (Turkey still not but will be soon)
-USA is going to be through Neocons / Leo Strauss' Republicans / Ex Trotskyist and Shachtmanist

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Natural order, hierarchy, healthy society instead of a degenerate one, living according to the traditions of my ancestors in its devotion to God
A culture of excellence

>>131203748
Actually the definitions are derived from each other.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces?wprov=sfla1

The symbolism of the fasces suggested strength through unity (seeUnity makes strength); a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is very difficult to break.

Faggot,faggots, orfaggotingmay refer to:

faggot or fagot,branchor twig, or bundle of these

Death by burning, metonymically referred to by the faggots which fuel the fire

Notice the general stick bundle motif going on here...

>>131217161
Also Russia and its allies

While Europe is fucked instead

>>131215772

So basically, you're sick of taking responsibility for your own life goals and identity, and you find the task of finding individual meaning in existence too difficult and daunting.

That's understandable. You're a pussy, I get it. But why do you feel the need to fuck things up for everyone else in the process? Those of us who aren't limp-dicked bootlickers who need to be told what to do - we're quite happy with taking responsibility for ourselves, thank you.

You're just as bad as commies.

>>131219090
Being a disconnected individual in a country of disconnected individuals is the reason why you are ok with Islamists raping your women and blowing up your concert venues. Fascism seeks to promote a higher ideal in a nation than a disconnected mass is capable of achieving. If your country was fascist you would not now have the problems you have.

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All Libtertarians, conservatives, etc. need to take the fash pill to actually see fundamental change in society

>>131219090
Diveded, you will be conquered. Enjoy your self-centered lifestyle while it lasts.

>>131219812
It won't last long.

>>131202406
That's not fascism.

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>>131219090
Being an individual is important, but one must recognize where you are on the cosmic spectrum

We are all living beings. Under that category, we are humans. Within humanity, we are of the Aryan race. Within that race, we are our own specific ethnic identity. Within that, we are part of our immediate family. And within that, we are an individual.

Someone who embraces the truth embraces all these facts, ignoring and disrespecting no part of that. Fascism, an ideology of truth, embraces ALL these aspects.

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>>131202210
Fascism means having a nationalist nation that doesn't fall prey to globalist capitalism, but promotes local and national businesses.

There will be a guild system for every industry, in the US, all farmers would become part of a 'farmers corporation', GM, Ford, Chrysler an 'automotive corporation', and these "corporations" would act as unions for business owners to work with the government and ensure each others needs are met.

There would be one culture, one religion, and if possible, one race. In the USA's case, any immigrants would be thoroughly "Americanized", accepting American culture on every level, some form of Christianity (with protestantism preferred), speaking the English language with our accent, and embracing our ideals.

People will still have freedom and democracy, but not to the ridiculous extent that they have it today. Duty and service to your nation will become a mainstream concept once more, with paramilitary youth programs and conscription to instill a sense of patriotism and discipline into the population. Free speech will be allowed for the most part, but corrupting influences such as communism and pornography must be purged. Finally, we will make it clear that this is a nation under God, and although there shall be no state church, our senators and leaders shall be Christian.

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>>131202210
I post with the NatBol flag but I'd consider myself pretty fascistic socially, with my economics being a blend of fascist corporatism and socialism.
Fascism is nationalistic, authoritarian, and supports corporatism along with autarky.
Corporatism is when the state mediates disputes between bosses and workers. Autarky is when the state has reached full resource self sufficiency. It can also be interventionist or isolationist depending on the needs of the nation as a whole. It's opposed to both communism and capitalism and socially hierarchical in nature.

A bunch of dudes blowing eachother

>>131202210
Closeted literal faggotry. Nothing special. It's what every man does especially the massive failures. This ideology just hides it best plus its love for feminism gun grabbing degeneracy and creating Israel

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>>131220498
Wrong.

The idea of "Ameicanism" is INHERENTLY not fascist because it is not organic and it is not an authentic nation. There can never be 'American Nationalism' or Americanized Fascism because America is based upon liberal ideas and it is disconnected from our ancestors.

Fascists believe the idea of America itself needs to go

>>131220510
> t. nutbol intellectual

>>131220510
Also, here's a basic rundown for anyone interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iC6BhSO3Mw
It's important we educate ourselves on these issues because it gets tiring to hear the left and the right throwing this word around without truly understanding it's meaning. Many self proclaimed "fascists" are paleocons who don't really understand what fascism is. And many people who use "fascism" as a prerogative also don't understand what fascism is. This is something that needs to be changed.

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>>131204379
homosexual detected.

>>131202210
lots of screaming, beating the drums and bankrupting the economy

>>131220882
>we're bundles of sticks faggots; you are not allowed to be penis faggots

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>>131220732
Nations change anon. The Roman Republic became the Roman Empire in time, yet it was always Rome.

Besides, we as a nation already don't exist. Half of our population hates the other half with fervor, our culture is fragmented and divided, and no one knows what direction to take our country. Ask 10 different people what being an American means and you'll get 10 radically different answers, the only thing holding us together at this point is our own inertia and sloth.

>>131213493
Hi barron. Who ate the apple first. Woman. Why are we told to eat so many fucking apples? Are you a woman? Yes. You're the fucking mechanized autismo
>this makes us look bad; use it verbatim as the same ad hom against him; only twist it a bit with buzzword pretzels and salads
The right wing. Every time. You make matrilineal rabbis everywhere proud. Fertility cults too. MUH BLACK SUN REEEEEEE

>>131221134
You are right, but I feel that supports my point further.

American Fascists need to move as far away from Americanism as possible and strive for something more organic. The Boers in South Africa had ancestors from many different European countries, but an actual distinct and organic Blood and Soil nation formed from them.

We need to find this organic nationhood, but Americanism and White Nationalism are obstacles that we need to overcome, not embrace

>>131220498
The guild systems sounds a lot like Eric Orwoll's proposal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy_S605P4E4&t=419s

>>131220732
Also, this.

>>131221308
Can a son be an apple of an eye? I guess not eh

>>131221134
Rome began as a kingdom and was reformed into a republic, then later became an empire.

America was very carefully crafted to be a liberal democracy at its conception. Every fiber of the US constitution is liberal and democratic. For America to become an ethnostate or an empire, or even a kingdom or anything but a liberal democracy would be for America to be replaced; it cannot change into something else without ceasing to be entirely.

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>>131221484
>The guild systems sounds a lot like Eric Orwoll's proposal.
It was also promoted by GK Chesterton with his system of Distributism.

>>131221804
What the fuck is wrong with Mussolini's eyes in that picture?

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>>131221776
It began as a limited democracy, where senators were unelected, only white land-owning males could vote, we had slavery, and other people couldn't even become citizens. We've evolved so far from that system that we're unrecognizable from the nation our fathers founded. We can evolve again.

Besides, fascism adapts itself to fit the nation at hand. Mosley incorporated a degree of democracy to fit in with his vision of a fascist Britain, for example.

>>131222070
Rome began as a city-state in the Italian peninsula, and it became a kingdom through conquest of the other nearby city-states. Then it became a republic.

>>131222070
The point is the Founding Fathers never considered Americans to BE a Blood and Soil nation. We don't want a country of whites. Being white is important, but that is just the racial truth. There is an ethnic and national truth in humans as well, and Americans have lost it entirely.

The founding fathers were simply racial liberals, but that is equally as wrong as non-racist liberals. Fascism strives for ALL truth, and Americanism at all stages of its history rejected truth.

It needs to go

>>131202210
Fascism arises from leftism which is a mental illness. Take your propaganda elsewhere kike.

>>131202210
For edgy 14 year olds that think they're edgy because they listen to fashwave music and support a totalitarian ideology.

>>131223647
They aren't real fascists. Fascists are well read on the ideology.

>>131222606
Wrong...th founding fathers lived in an ethnically homogeneous nation. That homogeneity was compromised in the 1830s