Professor disagrees with Elon Musk’s Mars colonization plans

>>131200172
>Fiala believes humanity can’t leave Earth before solving the environmental problems here
So never?

>>131200172
Also, the point about everything Elon Musk is doing is reducing costs.
Sure, first it'll be expensive, but it'll eventually get lower.
What we can't do is sit here doing absolutely nothing, and no, the enviroment can't be fixed because fucking no one has the balls to do what would be necessary.
Oh yeah, you reuse a bunch of plastic bags, I can already feel the CO2 getting snuffed out of the atmosphere.

>mars colonization
how gullible can you be

there will always be problems, why can't we just do cool shit like this?

>>131200435
>leave earth
>blow it up
there, its environmental problems are solved

>>131200172
>Fiala believes humanity can’t leave Earth before solving the environmental problems here
Fiala can fuck right off then.

why don't we take all the shitskins and push them somewhere else?

>>131200761
What the dude is saying is
>WE CAN'T GO TO OTHER PLANETS AND RUIN THEM
As if there was something to ruin in Mars.

What's next, avoid Venus because we might polute it's 400 degree surface?

>>131200172
i volunteer.
send me

>>131200586
Well, CO2 is plant food and we could actually use more of it. It would severely increase plant yields. And climate models that panic-mongers use are BS. CO2 is jack shit as far a rise in average temperatures go.

>>131200172
>Fiala believes humanity can’t leave Earth before solving the environmental problems here

I don't see how that would create problems with going to Mars?

>>131200608
I'm not saying Musk will be able to colonize Mars, but I do believe that one day humans will at the very least attempt to colonize other planets. When that happens, I have no doubt that a new type of interplanetary sharecropping system will develop.

There are no environmental problems on Earth.

And of course only the rich will go to Mars. The rich are our best of the best.

Oh, yeah, sure, those Pilgrims would have never left for America, what with the treacherous Atlantic crossing. They had to stay and fix England, didn't they?

Lets not forget the serious financial cost of the whole thing as well!

>>131200172
>wahh we need to feed all the billions of africans first and make sure they all pollute as much as the chinese, without producing anything of value
t. retarded professor

I have more faith in Musk than some random (((professor)))

>>131200960
He thinks we are going to Mars.
He must be ignoring that Mars is a dead fucking rock.

>>131200172
Proof that some professors are retarded cucks.

I got an idea. Send all the black people to Mars. It won't be racist because it won't be whites and asians only (because let's face it, they're the brains of the operation) and the blacks will finally get away from evil whitey. Plus it'll be like Africa 2.0 which is good for them.

>>131200172

>the earth is dying, don't be fooled by all this lush vegetation, oceans, fresh water, breathable atmosphere, abundant resources and food, it might become 1/12th of a degree hotter in a hundred years, so let's all fly away and live on a rusty dead rock!

No wonder millennial shit heads think this guy is so brilliant when he's just one of the biggest welfare queens on the planet.

>>131200863
why can't we ruin other planets anyway
>OH NO WE NEED TO CONSERVE THE GORRILION PLANETS
jesus christ

>>131200863
p much this, how bad can you destroy a planet thats surface is uninhabitable?

>>131200991

How are the 2 even relatable

>>131201040
Ok, but how would earth' environmental problems in any way affect going to mars?
I just don't see the relation.

>>131200172

1) factually incorrect

2) nothing wrong with that

3) nothing wrong with that

>>131201251
He says that we have to evolve "ethically".

>>131201033
It's this kind of white guilt that has led to us importing millions of nigger and arab savages into Europe. I hate these fuckers so much

>>131201258
4) Reddit spacing

>>131200172
>mars colonization begins
>only the rich and their slave workers can go
>the "brave colonist" import all their wealth into mars while being subsidized for their "bravery"
>earthdestroyed.jpg

>>131201079
>>131201079
>we need to keep Venus the way it is! Terraforming it is a crime against the indigenous Venuvian microbes who may or may not exist on it

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>HUMANS PLEASE, DO NOT TOUCH MERCURY, WE NEED TO PRESERVE ALL THOSE CRATERS AND THE ALMOST NON-EXISTANT ATMOSPHERE

>>131200172

That's the joke. What we think is Earth is really a terra-formed Mars colony. We are all Martians.

>>131200991
I don't think the Crown is going to pay the bill for me to claim space-clay for England this time around.

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>philosophy

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>>131201375
>LOOK AT VENUS' BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPE, WE CAN'T RUIN THIS WITH WATER, A BLUE SKY OR BUILDINGS

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>>131200586

Space isn't the future. We were born on earth and we will die on it because total VR immersion will be possible and that is preferable to life

>>131201307
Why are ethics needed to colonize a dead rock?

We need to get off this rock asap before these human issues stop being issues because we are all dead

SPACE ARK WHEN?

>>131201611
And where to?
The nearest star system only has one planet, and it's probably dead.

Computers, cars, cellphones, toilets, medicine, education, etc were also only for the elite once.

>>131201385
The literal Raza Cosmica needs to keep its planets intact and should elect interstellar Lenin to do the job of destroying "late stage capitalism".
>Space Imperialists keep out!
>I identify as a Martian Xytfawh, you bigot!
>We need safe dimensions that shelter us from the interstellar-species patriarchy

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>>131200172

Inorder to colonize Planets you need to either make sure they have the proper conditions or have the ability to Terra-form them.

Archives: http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

>>131201338am I doing it right? =^)

>>131201511

It looks badass

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>>131200172
>Fiala believes humanity can’t leave Earth before solving the environmental problems here
Had a teacher like that, fucking idiots.
>can't discover fire before you have figured out why everybody is dying from diarrhea

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>You misogynistic enviromental terrorists should NEVER interact with light bended by black holes, you are literally evaporating them!

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>>131200172
the whole first part is garbage that she doesn't actually believes. the only thing she cared about was "Mars colonization may only be a luxury that few people can enjoy"

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>>131201611
*space colonies

>>131200863
It's probably the other way around.. learning to terraform, to bring a dead world to life, will teach us how to heal the wounds and repair the damage we've done to our own earth.

However humans cannot realistically live on any other planets long term except Venus (if it could ever be cooled and made livable) because of gravity.

What we need to do is build large orbiting stations creating gravity with centrifugal force and rotation and send sorties and work teams to a planets surface to mine, survey and terraform, and then return after a few weeks/months. Crews could be rotated in this fashion so they never had too much exposure to low gravity.

Another problem with Mars, and many other world as well is regolith. Regolith is sand or soil that's been eroded by cosmic rays into super microscopic grains, sharp and jagged little fuckers that will definitely cause mesothelioma if you breathe in enough of them. That will be a real danger for the future of space exploration.

The truth is we needs useful idiots like Musk.. he has more money than sense, but his heart is in the right place

>>131201860
Except it's a 400º shithole with an atmosphere composed mostly of sulfuric acid and CO2.
That thing that took the pics only lasted 150 minutes before melting.

>>131200172
>HURR DURR LE BUT WHAT IF CLIMATE HOAX IS A HOAX AND WE CREATE A BETTER WORLD FOR NOTHING STRAWMAN MEME LOLOLOL STUPID REAL SCIENCE

>Professor disagrees with Elon Musk’s Mars colonization plans
>Fiala believes humanity can’t leave Earth before solving the environmental problems here
>The professor ultimately believes that Mars colonization may only be a luxury that few people can enjoy

Remember this is one of the 99% out of who cares """scientists"""" that agree with the climate change hoax.

((They)) just don't want space travel they can't control or monitor/subvert.

Once there agents are on-board and in charge, it will be fine to do it.

>>131202016

I know, still cool if you could survive to walk on there with some super suit

Rich people get to try everything first, then an improvement is made and then the product the rich had is massively decreased in price and the rich get the new improvement.

When the microwave first came out, not a lot of people had it, now you can get one super cheapp

>>131202016
Actually, based on the sensor data, what killed it was the pressure, which is like being two kilometers below the ocean.

>>131202016
Sounds like we should let the wondrous brown & black people immigrate there
In fact I insist

>>131200172
We must travel into space to take the resources from other planets to fuel our god given right to colonize the stars

>colonize mars
>no petroleum on mars
>shipping petrol to mars would be retard level
>electric cars take center stage
>Tesla brand gets ultra rich with large market share on mars

>>131202168
Well, he is a professor in philosophy, aka a radical leftist who cares only about muh equality, and doesn't understand ANYTHING about physics

>>131200847
>...like into Camp Yellowstone?

>we shouldnt sail across the ocean because poor people might not be able to afford the trip

>>131201560
Give all your money and women to brown people.

>>131200172
>Mars colonization
>a luxury
What fucking insular and sheltered retard hole did this faggot crawl out of?

>>131202203
Aside from the temperature, it's also the pressure caused by such a dense atmosphere, it's 90 times the pressure in the surface of Earth.
Either you find a way to literally snuff out the atmosphere, or just make a floating city.

>>131202290
AND DO THE OTHER THINGS NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE EASY

>>131202016
It's also the same mass as earth.. if we had the technology to use mass drivers to hurl comets at it for a few hundred years we might be able to cool it and add enough hydrogen to stabilize it's atmosphere. The real problem is it's rotation and lack of a magnetic field, which I suspect may actually be related. If we can get it rotating properly again with such repeated impacts, its magnetic field might be restored.

It is possible to make Venus into a second earth and it's probably more feasible than making Mars into a livable planet, however it would take scifi technology that is probably a thousand years away if it's even possible

>>131200863
>ruin

If nothing lives there, it belongs to humans.

>>131200172
>Fiala and many other experts believe that probably only the upper class of society will have the opportunity to visit –or colonize- the Red Planet.

Typical leftist

>>131202440
>...like shoot him in the head in Dallas?

>>131201447
Fuck you, Terrans RULE!

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>>131201551
if we ever invent such devices then how do i know I'm not wearing one right now
that seems far more likely than not wearing one if they are indeed possible to create

>>131202347
To be fair, that issue's solution resulted in all the niggers you have.

>>131200172
Fuck the environment. Use the resources and move on to the next planet. It's not like there's a shortage.

>>131202505
>...like the usa and Australia?

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Screw Mars and screw this solar system.

Alpha Centauri or bust.

>>131200172
>giving a shit about what a professor of fucking philosophy thinks
These are literally less relevant people than Gender Studies professors, because they lack both credibility and political influence.

>>131202636
Or we could go slowly and mine asteroids.
16 Psyche asteroid has about $10 quintillion worth of platinum.

>Given their skin-advantage... maybe we can get the nogs to colonise the sun?

>>131202415
He wrote this: "Against Religion, Wars, and States
The Case for Enlightenment Atheism, Just War Pacifism, and Liberal-Democratic Anarchism"

Just another fedora tipping antifa cuck professor trying to hype up his garbage philosophy by attacking the Terraforming of Mars which by far is the coolest thing that is happening in our lifetimes. Only inventing fusion that actually works, or meeting the Ayy Lmaos is cooler than going to another fucking planet and turning it into a new home for mankind

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>Move to Mars
>Leave progressives behind
I'd be OK with that.

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>>131202679
>Alpha Centauri
>literally just two stars smaller than the sun and only ONE (1) planet orbiting them
What's the point?

>>131201747
It would be better to go out into the unknown depths of space on massive colony ships then just accept dying on this one planet I feel. Even if we tucked up, a part of us would be everlasting, floating in space as a ghost ship.
(unless we crash into a sun obviosly)

>>131201981

Yeah like this but a less gay design.

>>131202626
Nah, that was just rich people busing people across the atlantic like some rich people tried busing inner city kids into white schools

>>131200172
>rich jews fuck off to mars to build space israel
>aryans get a free hand to wipe out the shitskins on earth

This is a good thing

they'd just be colonized by mudshits anyway who'd soon blow the whole thing up so who cares

>>131202886
alpha centauri consists of three stars, the smallest of which has a confirmed planet. There are likely many other planets in the system.

>>131202606

I'd assume the VR would either have us be gods of our own worlds or would put us down great paths. My life is too dull and sad to believe that this is VR I chose for myself

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>>131202906
Maybe this.
It's a design for a ship using an Alcubierre warp drive.

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>>131202886
>giant space creatures trying to impregnate our sun
we need to build a wall

Great. Moving to a place that's separated by millions of miles from niggers, gypsies and other lower class scum is great motivation to work your ass off.

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>>131200966
>mfw instead of a white ethnostate we get a pure white ethnoplanet

>>131202736
>You mean make the platinum supply plentiful thence reducing its price to that of Zinc?

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>>131203083
You mean aliens taking energy from our star.

>>131203083
A DYSON WALL

>>131200172
>female professor with foreign name angry she wasted her money on academia and wants to ruin other people's fun

>>131200172
>can't leave until we solve our problems
fucking jewish lies

Mars colony is fucked hard without artificial magentosphere and at least 2.5x the gravity

>>131203186
>master space travel
>still need to leech poor form of energy from a star using direct contact
i dont think so tim

>>131201469
GAS THE MARTIANS, SPACE WAR NOW

>>131203225
AND MAKE THE FERENGI PAY FOR IT

>>131203186
i-is is this real? Or is it a mockup?

what's wrong with the environment? the planet seems to be supporting us better than ever.

>>131202927
Reality check
>The cancer spreads through space with 2 planets

>>131203544
yes

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>>131203465
I'm sure they have a much better idea of space traveling than the species who's most advanced ship is a gigantic penis in an aluminium condom.

human beings cannot meaningfully live on Mars.

They could survive in space suits in gravity that's far too low for humans.

woopie doo.

>>131203556
Its just some salty cuck who cries himself to sleep every night, wishing Trotsky had succeeded in his plans for world revolution.
>We could've been equal!
>We could've ALL been poor and oppressed!

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>>131203544
We don't have any pics of any black hole yet, only simulations.
Though the Event Horizon Telescope might have taken some pics of the supermassive black hole in the center of the milky way, but it's going to take until later this year to process the images.
For now, the only thing we have is this, maybe the best simulation of how a black hole with an accretion disk would look like.

>>131200172
So will countries split Mars between them with each country given a certain amount of Martian territory?

>>131202906
And die of solar radiation?

Im interested how the electric universe changes the idea of space travel

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>>131203040

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Elon Musk wants to go to Mars because he is a man who has already seen the future in person.

He's South African.

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>>131203186
>star falls into black hole
>escapes

>>131200172
I hope all the rich libtards and kikes go live on their dead planet and leave us alone.

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>>131200172
When the world was first being colonized by real civilizations it was a luxury only afforded to the absolute richest aristocrats, traders and government officials with heavy government assistance.

With time the exact opposite was true. All of the poor worthless scum of society hopped on boats hoping to start a new life where their sins wouldn't catch up to them.
Let's hope it's different this time around. I want to live on my martian utopia while earth descends tot he planet of the apes and forgets the technology to contact us.

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>>131204121
It doesn't escape, it's been destroyed.
All that matter will eventually fall into the black hole.

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>>131202906
Here's one with a different design from Gundam Wing

>>131200172
Fuck off reddit

>>131203040
Yeah that seems fine.

The way I see space travel is not that we'll get there with a dark drive or whatever but to think of it as being in a moving fallout shelter not just your life but multiple generations of mankind.

Obviously the logistics, supplies and maintenc3 would be huge. In my mind, all of humanities resources will need to be scooped up in these massive ships.

Literally boom or bust. Dooming and remaining earthlings left behind (so Africa basiclly, maybe just launch from there? The blast off would be so large it would help kill a majority of the continent as we leave...)

I'm all for space colonization. Just think of the abundance of resources in for example the asteroid belt. Mining for rare earth elements would be a fucking goldmine when we empty all the reserves here on Earth. Also, learning to live completely cut off from earth is pretty much securing our future as a species.

>>131200172
whitey don't run away cuz who gonna pay my welfare?????

polluting mars would make it better

If we manage to colonize any planet out of the solar system then WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK ABOUT DIRT BALLS.

The only one that is important is earth, and that is for sentimental value I guess, the rest can go fuck themselves.

>>131204012
it doesn't. Its a banch of pretend-science bullshit from idiots who didn't understood science and only non-scientists can even consider it as something other than bullshit.

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>>131204385
Thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

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>>131204254
Everything will be eventually figured out.
In fact, there's only two problems with the alcubierre drive, one, the energy it would need, and the other shielding the ship.
The moment the drive makes the ship reaches speeds faster than light, everything in the warp bubble will start to heat up inmensly.

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>>131200172
>Fiala believes humanity can’t leave Earth before solving the environmental problems here
>believe
not an argument
If they are so worried about the planet dying, wouldnt it make sense to have 2 planets instead of a single one just in case one dies? Earth could potentially become one big conservation park if we get off Earth in a powerful enough way. Will that make the greenies happy?

>That led Fiala to discuss another important aspect of Musk’s colonization plans: the cost. Fiala and many other experts believe that probably only the upper class of society will have the opportunity to visit –or colonize- the Red Planet.
Not with guys like musk working on it. They are always looking to get price down. Plus, do they think that the colonization is going to be one big rich person party?

>The professor ultimately believes that Mars colonization may only be a luxury that few people can enjoy
>what is downward price pressure

Plus, thinking that we need to evolve ethically before moving out is putting the cart before the horse. Colonization in the past has catapulted various cultures forward in the past.

>>131203939
Boffins need to make practicle but cool changes so if we do and up stranded in space, the aliens will give us new power cells because we intimidate/impress them with our cool ship design.

How you gonna get quarrian tech and pussy without a cool ship mate?

I'd go live on a space station any day. Could be a bit troubling with internet connection, but then I have to download porn, games and movies like in the old days. I never leave my house anyways.

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Can't stop progress.

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>>131202886
Three stars. Two in the center of the system orbiting "each other" (alpha and beta), and a third (proxima) far away which orbits the two like it was a planet.
Proxima also has a planet of it's own. Pretty cool system.

You dare question the Boer?

>>131202337
just out of curiosity, what if he's saying that if you don't learn how to fix the mess you've made what's going to stop you from making the same mess all over again on another planet?

>>131204843
That picture is bullshit since all that red soil will go into water and it will be shitty water you can't drink. And what is all the green shit? Swamps?

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>>131204843
>tfw I will have crater lake-side property on Mars within my lifetime

couldn't you terraform mars just by smashing a ton of asteroids and comets into it? That wouldn't be too expensive if you just used a gravity tractor.

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>>131205083
>within my lifetime
Maybe not.

>>131204954
does he do anything for South Africa? Investment? Involvment? Comments?

>>131200172
>Fiala believes humanity can’t leave Earth before solving the environmental problems here

This is fucking retarded. I mean, I think that Musk is scamming people out of their money and that you can forget about mars colonization being possible.

But if it was actually possible, there'd be nothing wrong with it.
By his logic, the USA wouldn't even exist today
>Hurr durr, we must not search for the new world until we fix Europe first

>>131205126
No, the only thing you need for Mars is to fix it's magnetic field, since the atmosphere doesn't do a good job at stopping solar radiation, and it can't retain heat properly either.
You would need to literally build a moon-sized magnet and put it in Mars' orbit, and then the atmosphere would heal on its own.

>>131204843
Mars is not capable of maintaining an atmosphere. There is no molten core to produce a magnetic field like on Earth.

>>131205167
Fuck no, any self respecting white person would not give tax to niggers optionally

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I've always considered spacefags to be the ultimate cucks; wanting to leave the only ripe and bountiful planet we know and live in a space shed while Mother Earth is raped by Achmed and Jamal. Cucks.

The planet is mostly ocean. We must turn it into habitable landscape. As a bonus niggers drown in 3 feet of water so they'll shy away from our oceanic paradise.

Come swim white man.

>>131205294
This, Mars sucks anyways, too smal, Venus is the real goalpost, we only have to deal with that fucking dense atmosphere.

>>131205212
>Hurr durr, we must not search for the new world until we fix Europe first

this

>>131205048
How are you ever going to learn from your mistakes if you have only one shot at succeeding? Best way to get anywhere in life is through trial and error. If it was up to this cuck we'd be stuck on earth forever, because we'd never be able to live up to his Utopian ideals

>>131205167
He got beaten by niggers every day when he was in school including a hospital stay after being thrown down a flight of stairs

The only thing that should be donated to South Africa as it exists today is an H bomb

>>131200172
>Fiala believes humanity can’t leave Earth before solving the environmental problems here
Then we will never leave, plain and simple. Fuck this faggot and everyone who thinks like this.

>>131205294
>we cant generate that field
hush

>>131205425
I thought it was the Boer chads who did this to him.

>>131205375
There's at least a billion planets like Earth in our own galaxy, though.
And even though we can't leave the Local Galactic Group, we still have Andromeda, Triangulum, and other 50 dwarf galaxies.

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>>131205375
The dream

>>131200172
Mars has
>no magnetic field
>no atmosphere
>the gravitation is to weak to hold oxygen

why would rich people leave this wonderful planet for a ball of dust and death?

Yeah right, send The poor and uneducated there too. I bet a mosque would make colonisation way simpler too!

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>>131203939
>radiation
Once we figure out the secret of the Lunar Swirls we'll be able to build force fields to block it.

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>>131205375
They hate cold too yet look at Sweden and Canada

This planet is as finished as Detroit or Haiti or Zimbabwe

>>131205391
>we only have to deal with that fucking dense atmosphere.
Dude, Venus is geologically active as FUCk. Look how young its surface. They ypungest craters are millions years old. Venus undergoes severe eruption cycles, when all the surface gets melted suddenly. Watch this old fuck when he talkes about Venus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbEQpW96oCg

>>131200172
Lack of minerals on earth is what will push us into space like the Silk Road being blocked led people to America

>>131205598
They're city people so
>To be rid of all the suburban and rural retards

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>>131200172
>These lower incomes aliens will pay back their enormous loans with a life of servitude, creating vast wealth for their merchant Earth overlords by exporting rare minerals from the Martian mines
Really? What type of rare minerals?

>>131200172
Why the fuck would mars colonization be a luxury? It would be fucking shit to live on Mars

>>131205674
We are so fucked. Africa, India and China's populations will destroy us.

>exporting rare minerals from the Martian mines.
why even

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>>131205695
Better than Io, at least.
Literally the embodiment of what holy books talk about when they speak of Hell.

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(((mars)))

All this talk about running away and leaving earth to rot by shitskins and gibmes, why don't we make Mars a prison planet and send criminals there to mine the martian surface? They get sent to where we can't see them and we get free Martian resources

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>>131205294
This is olympus mons. It is Mars' natural anal opening. We stick 2-3 nukes in there and push-start it's core. Problem solved.

>>131200172
> may only be a luxury that few people can enjoy
Good. I hope that one day, Mars will be a tax haven like Monaco or Lichtenstein, an there is literally empty space between them and the niggers wasting space on earth.

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>>131205791
China and India aren't the problem. Their massive populations are skewing towards stability and decline.

There is exactly one growing continent on the Earth today.

>>131205730
Just have another world war and kill of all the useless poor people
much easier then trying to build a civilization on mars.

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>>131205871
>nikon p900
Pic related is what you see if you use one of those cheap, $70 telescopes.

>>131205836
there are many places better than Io. Ganimede and Callisto are pretty chill, Ceres, Vesta, Pallada. The Moon obviously.

>>131205598
Too many new Germans.

>make space colonies consisting of rich, intelligent white people
>nuke the shit out of earth with neutron bombs, killing off all the main citites
>make landfall with a fresh start with the surviving mixbloods as slaves

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>>131206010
who makes the telescopes

really makes you think

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First we should figure out what space is.

>>131205892
Because if Mars colonization is done in a NASA style mission, it would cost about $2 billion to send one person to Mars.

And if Mars colonization is done to the height of Elon Musk's dreams, where massive advanced new rockets can simply fuel up and launch over and over and over, it would still cost $500,000 to send one person to Mars.

>>131206107
And who makes the cameras?

>>131205909
You're retarded if you think that would work.

>>131205131
Venus has a very weak magnetic field though.

>>131206187
Not to mention that Orion and SLS will be garbage compared to the ITS.

Six words:
Robert Zubrin - the case for Mars

The Dude had it all figured out, from feasibility down to the Budget, Back in 1997

Also, this "First gotta fix our Problems here"
Fucking backwards fuckstains wouldnt have their shiny efficient solar Panels and lightweight Materials for more efficient Cars without the spacerace and pushing boundaries

>>131206107
I can make a telescope in my backyard. Or you think my perfectly simple lens gets electicity from somewhere to create a virtual illusion in my tube and can do it only when i point it exactly at Mars in the sky?

>>131205836
I think Venus is a much better embodiment of hell than IO

>>131200761
Based burger

>>131205871
>take photo of moving object from shaky platform with long exposure
>ITS A BLUR WE ARE BEING LIED TO!!
You flat earth lunatics really need to be euthanized.

>>131205777
Kek speaks the truth.

>>131205695
Also, Venus is almost tidally locked, while Mars at least has 25 hour days.

>>131200172
Fiala and many other experts believe that probably only the upper class of society will have the opportunity to visit –or colonize- the Red Planet.
>The professor ultimately believes that Mars colonization may only be a luxury that few people can enjoy

And? So?
What the fuck is he doing calling himself a fucking professor if he honestly thinks we'll be taking everyone?

Elon runs a business, not a fucking charity.

Honestly, they give out professor titles like they're fucking participation awards nowadays.

>>131200172


Fuck Fiala. Leftist cuck can go and kill himself for all I care.

>>131200172
>professor says we should try to put out the fire of the fully engulfed house before running out of it
retard

>>131201993
Hardly anyone talks about the gravity problem, and it's a big one.

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I think we can rule out Titan for human colonization?

>>131200172
Of course, only redditards are stupid enough to believe that

>>131203032
>My life is too dull and sad to believe that this is VR I chose for myself

You are like one of these people who say they can remember their past Lifes and were always something like a Warrior, Explorer etc. While the majority were peasants and poor workers.

Same with VR. Someone would still need to pay for the energy or the machines that maintain it. And therefore the Rich ones would get the ultimate experience with leveling up to being on a Dragonbron level while virtually fucking 10/10 every day while you only could pay for the basic peasant package, making you almost nothing more like an NPC for the ultra rich questing through the world.

The only place to go is to another earth like planet, but for that we need warp drive.
So never.

>>131200172
kill niggers and mudshits

problem solved, no more environmental issues because the earth isn't flooded with degenerate niggers.

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Jesus, fucking professors are seriously discussing a fraud that is Elon Musk. The whole story of the guy is to sell stock in Tesla and raise money from the government and investors for Space X. The money is being spent on Musk and his family. There is not going to be any colonization of anything but his bank accounts. It's funny how a simple fraud like this gets all the hipsters and university (((professors))). Its fraud, get it through your skulls.

>>131206505
>lakes of liquid nitrogen and a constant temperature of -180 degrees
Not for now.

>>131205909
>detonating nukes on the tallest mountain the solar system will somehow reach the planet's core

You just went full retard.

>>131206391
"well it's gonna cost a lot!"

holy fuck dude

>>131206439
0.37g is much better than 0g.

There are healthy, active people today who are 37% as massive or as physically active as other people.

>>131206231
>A very detailed explanation with very well thought out arguments.
*slow clap*

>Communists and socialists are now trying to hold space travel hostage on the grounds that it doesn't fit their narrative
GUYS I WATCHED STAR TREK I KNOW HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO GO DOWN.

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>>131206283
then do it build a telescope and find out the truth

Genesis 1:14-15
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

A Star Close Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tgxTCDjvBI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ukxGhX0w0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afjcaJpMWyc

>>131206123
Look at muh hair.

>>131206550
Planets suck dick desu
Space stations are really the way forvard

>>131206505
unless you want to swim in cold methane and walk on the silicate ice rocks that start to melt and boil just from touching the shoes of your spacesuit.

>>131204883

So one of the stars is a chad and the other is a cuck.

Bringing 1 million people on Mars by 2060 or whatever is the perfect rich CEO idiot thing to say. All the dilberts who actually know what's possible freaking out to deliver a shred of result by the deadline.

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>>131200172
>These lower incomes aliens will pay back their enormous loans with a life of servitude, creating vast wealth for their merchant Earth overlords by exporting rare minerals from the Martian mines.

Ahaha way to setup a future rebellion

Spacers will rebel and declare independence from earth

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>>131200172
Columbus didn't wait to sail for India (i.e. America) before Spain established {democracy, the welfare state, $whateverSocialProgress}.

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>>131206588
Do you know what Elon Musk can do right now?

He can launch a 20 ton payload into low earth orbit for $62 million.

You ask the Russians to do that, they'll want $114 million. Ask NASA, they won't be able to get it done for under $250 million.

That is the useful valuable thing that SpaceX does *right now* that is not a projection, pipe dream or product in development.

And this time next year it'll be about $40 million.

>>131200172
>3 posts by this ID

guess op got so assblasted by reality that he left

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>>131206897

>>131206690
Right, it's called common sense. Where is your detailed explanation on how it WILL work? You don't have one, fucking retarded nigger.

>>131200172
>let me tell you what to do with your wealth and influence
fuck off

Send those refugees to Mars, Elon.

Send them all....

>>131206949

I love it, because Musk uses the tech to land a booster stage, tech that has existed nebulously since the moon lander, that means all his projections about mars must be true.

>>131204592
>everything in the warp bubble will start to heat up inmensly.
How?

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The people who go to Mars will die and be replaced with digital clones controlled by AI to fool the masses. If you receive a transmission from a family member who decided to go to Mars, just know you're talking to a CGI clone.

>>131207103
It's all explained here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

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>>131200586
Why is no one speculating (with dope cgi) what Martian born human should would evolve into? Low G = tall, thin, less born density, les work for the heart, and ???

Why do people want to colonize mars anyway? There's noting there.

>>131206717
I never know if Retards like you are just trolling or really believing this stupidity.
The last would be really worse because its shows why Niggers and Mudslimes can claim the world when Morons like you who live in the most developed countries of the world, using high tech that the white men developed, are still stupid enough to think such bullshit.

>>131206602
>tallest mountain
It's a volcano. Takes 2 sec to google, you lazy bastard. Meaning access to the core. And noone said detonate. We start a controlled meltdown and use them for prostate massage and not for tearing Mars' asshole wide open.

Why do you all care anyway ? None of you neckbeards will be alive to see it

>>131207179
Closest planet.
There's also Venus, but the surface is at 400º, at most, you could build a space station, or even a floating city.

>>131200172
I had some college professor twat pull this shit on me once and its really easy to stop.
>The root cause of environmental harm is mankind expanding!
>We have been left unchecked for far to long, we grow by the millions every year, we are the root cause of all the issues, so the only way to solve it is either to leave the planet, reduce our numbers, or mass genocide!
Teacher got pissed and tried to argue "So your pro war!"
>In western countries, the birth rate was beginning to reduce itself, yet governments claim this is a bad thing meanwhile bringing in replacement populations while leaving the origin population unchecked.
Professor became more pissed, and started getting called a racist, so I stood up and shouted.
>HOW WOULD ANY OF YOU IN HERE STOP THE DESTRUCTION OF EARTH! DO YOU THINK RECYCLING AND FOSSIL FUELS ARE THE ONLY SOURCE OF THE ISSUE!
More pissed, but a few silent.
>If we go to Mars, and reduce the human population here, we will be able to begin reverting the damage to the Earth, meanwhile, the human population of Mars will have no choice but to live a cleaner life style because they are on a environmentally friendly planet.
>The only way to save the Earth, and the human population itself, is to go into space and reduce our numbers manually, its either that or we could have another World War and thin out the herd.
Teacher called me jaded and sad.
>Your just wishing for a miracle to happen when you are the soul cause of it by turning a blind eye to the root issue. Its us, not the food we eat, not the clothing we wear, not where we live, but humans innate urge to breed, and their innate urge to enslave others.

Black students started to wake the fuck up because I mentioned how it was always "white people" wanting refugee's to replace workers, and noted the key word was "replace workers"

I want us to expand to the stars, I want us to become more then living in our cradle.

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>>131206717
>then do it build a telescope and find out the truth
I already did many times. I have something akin to picrelated and believe me - no wires attached. I take it in my car to the countryside in the summer and see planets where they are predicted and exactly how they are descibed. Stop drinking cool aid from youtube ""experts conspiracy theorists"".

>>131207261
Because our grandchildren will see it.

>>131200172
As long as we're weighed down by SJW's and leftism, we'll suffocate in our own filth.

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>>131205909

>>131207099
He's delivering right now, at a level no other rocketry company or organization on Earth can. Why would you continue to cast so much doubt on him?

His only sin is that he's slow. The Falcon 9 launched five years behind schedule, the Falcon Heavy is going to launch about five years behind schedule. Five years behind schedule still beats the NEVER EVER schedule that 90% of all space projects look at.

>>131204592

>in fact theres only two problems

>one, the energy it needs (more than the annual output of the sun)

>two, shielding the ship (like shielding wax on the surface of the sun)

progress! excelsior!

>>131207179
>There's noting there.
The point is to put something there, dingus.

That's what colonization means.

>>131200172
You can't colonize mars. It has no magnetosphere. No iron core. Almost no atmosphere. Temperatures dramatically change within seconds and are mostly below freezing everywhere. There are planet-wide dust storms. And there is very little (mostly frozen) water.

Mars is older than Earth. It lost he tidal tug of war with earth and we sucked out its iron core (Mercury) and took all of its water. It is a DEAD PLANET. You cannot colonize it. Or terraform it. It's dead

>>131207348
>implying any of you will reproduce
Keep the delusion alive bud

>>131206717
kys asap faggot

>>131207281
>131207281
Environmentally unfriendly planet.

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>>131207179
thatsthepoint.jpg

It's in our blood to conquer new lands; to build. It's a fresh start.

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>>131207337
you didnt make that though

let me guess your cousin died in sandy hook

>>131207239
>>131206602
>>131207043
Olympus Mons is a caldera with a maximum depth of 3 kilometers

Mars' mantle alone is 50km thick. That's aside from the fact that you'd still have to pass through 2,100km of other crap before reaching the core, and that "nuking the core" is some bullshit that was inspired from a low budget Aaron Eckhart movie.

>>131207043
Son, when we take a look at your behavior it is quite obvious who is the nigger here.

>>131207398
What about an artificial core? That might help to build up a magnetosphere. It would be horrendously expensive and time consuming but It might be able to pull off

>>131204589
>those arms
>hungry

>t. Jamal

>>131207543
>>131206717
I always really hope this is a dedicated and elaborate troll because otherwise there's people on /pol/ who aren't just wrong, or stupid, or retarded, they're straight up "Fucking this baby will cure my AIDS" nigger tier

>>131207543
hau, i live in Russia and i don't care about your shootings. I took my telescope apart 20 times to the last bolt and attached it all together.

>>131207261
Great societies are marked by men who plant trees whose shade they'll never sit in. -- Neil deGrasse Tesla

Friendly reminder that by time we develop that technology nobody here will be alive

We should try and colonize other planets asap, not Mars necessarily but yeah, the biggest contributor to every environmental and social issue in modern times is largely due to population density. Moving some to a new planet would be a lot more ethical than doing some Georgia Guidestones shit. Or hell put each group with differences on different planets fuck it.

>>131207650
Maybe. But that's pretty.. advanced. Not going to happen any time soon. It's probably easier to figure out how to get Venus right side up and spinning faster. But again it has no magnetosphere either.

>>131205777
It would be expensive to travel there.

>>131200172
>a luxury that few people can enjoy
Trying to live on a planet we were (not designed, or did not evolve for) wont be an enjoyable experience.

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>>131207738
>I took my telescope apart 20 times to the last bolt and attached it all together.

and then put it back with all the same pieces

cant make this up

>>131200172
An actual professor would have criticized the idea because of the gravity issue, not class.

>>131207543
>that picture
>what is chromic aberration
>what is atmosphere
WEW LAD
Pretty good

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Sun is closer than one think

>>131201307
so in other words, he's a stupid faggot.
>professor of (((philosophy)))
not even a scientist.

>>131207737
> they're straight up "Fucking this baby will cure my AIDS" nigger tier
Oh, they are. I watched a lot of flat earther shit and if you think they are trolling, thats only because you are projecting your level of intelligence and expertise on everyone and expect everyone to follow the same path of though you do. But its not like that. Some people are really retarded, and when you see a catch, a lie, they just take it at face value. And if they watch like 200 flat earth videos and listen to all the "arguments" repeated again and again, they become like a bot, repeating all the words from those videos.

>>131208108
>shit cameras have intense as fuck glare
Color me surprised.

Does this person not know what happened with colonization in the past? Not everyone that settled in North America from Europe was a rich aristocrat and hundreds of years later people can mostly move freely with fairly low (and at least comparatively much less) cost. It'll be the same with space travel. Once we lay the foundation for doing it (assuming that happens) in the later years of this millennium it should be fairly easy similar to flying or other forms of terrestrial transportation now.

Of course tons of things could go wrong that could keep this from happening but there's no reason not to try. Poor people now won't benefit from it of course but you should be thinking long term.

>>131207398
Not a LIQUID iron core, perhaps, but it does have tons of iron. Why do you think it's red? That's rust, kiddo.

>>131204466
Sadly it makes more sense than anything else.Elegant an simple.But the question wasnt invitation for a dance so you can 'debunk' it,but to entertain with the idea about how it changes the idea of space flight.Being unable to even entertain with the idea is the first signs of brainwashing,you know.At least you evolved,and didnt use the pseudoscience anymore

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>>131208125
In that case, I'd like to see a flat earther explain this.

Everybody whose ever taken a North Atlantic ferry can see it.

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>>131208101

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>>131208330
Thankfully there's never going to be an equivalent of one of these to Mars because you can't just drift the way you can on the Mediterranean

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So, lets say we only send rich fucks.
What happens then?
Do they build all the buildings on their own?
Do they mine for resources with their own hands?
Workers will be needed, if you want to go to Mars and you are not rich, just find one of those jobs.

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>>131208360
pic

>>131208125
were just the plebs bro

of course were gonna regurgitate the truth

>>131207398

You can colonize it with artificial habitats. Eventually, you'll get domed towns and cities.

>>131208409
you embarrass our whole country

>>131208357
>makes more sense
is that an argument? who cares if that makes sense to you. You are not an expert and things don't have to make sense to you. Like go suck a cock, the world doesn't exist for you dog, it is so complex that your puny little brain won't grasp a 1% of it.

>>131208513
That's a 1.7m tall man, not a 550m tower, and that's a camera lens a few cm off the surface, not a boat deck several meters up

>>131208497
Shit, that'd be pretty comfy though
the martian militia would be fun to be a part of

>>131200172
We can go to Mars any time we want to, the only question is do we really want to, the answer is yes. Lots of people will die horribly in the process but that's also true about driving cars or building the Panama canal.

>>131208125
>don't you see how part of the skyline is visible slightly more than it should be over the water horizon?
What the fuck do they think all the physicists are doing with their fake data on red shifts and background radiation that point to a vast, expanding universe? This is a case where you could never fake it. I can almost buy the moon landing, but here we're talking PhD's from all over the world having to subscribe to the same lie for generations.
>muh 'firmament' tho
Couldn't be the thee-language translation. Couldn't be metaphor.

>>131207737
This!
>>131207199

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>>131206123
>>131207815
>>131208108

>>131200172
mars sweat shops when?

instead of made in china its now made on mars

Elect new global president
I will tough on mars they keep devaluing space currency

>>131200172
mars sweat shops when?

instead of made in china its now made on mars

Elect new global president
I will be tough on mars they keep devaluing space currency

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>>131208961

>>131200966
It's way better to create artificial habitats in space like O'Neill habitats, and use asteroids and dwarf planets for resources.

>>131207535
When will this cristopher columbus discpvered america will end?

>>131200435
If we cant fix our environment we sure as fuck cant terraform mars.

>>131208513
>of course were gonna regurgitate the truth
How do you know its truth? You just repeat what youtube people say to you, and they say it to you, so that you would pay them money on Patreon, paypal and watch their videos on youtube with ads, so they could get a living telling the same 3 words "flat, fake, conspiracy" in different combination.

>>131208853
Except the rich dumb fucks will be learning the hard way why humans can't thrive in an isolated man made environment.
It has been tried on earth and failed miserably.

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Job 37:21
And now men see not the bright light which is in the clouds: but the wind passeth, and cleanseth them.


goat herders knew more about science than atheists

>>131206123


what is this insinuating? that because he had wire or a fiber on his shirt that space isn't real or missions are fabricated? Would not surprise me if they had to use wires or whatever to keep things tidy.

>>131200172
>“Until we evolve ethically, we ought not leave this planet and destroy another,” wrote Fiala. “The colonizing impulse is connected to the hubris that created climate catastrophe.”
This is the dumbest shit ever, and I'm surprised to hear it repeated by a professor. We didn't intentionally ruin Earth, we had no fucking idea CO2 would fuck things up, and when we finally realized it, it was too late to just radically decrease production. We are pretty much just victims of our circumstances. Mars barely has an atmosphere, and the soil contains poisonous chemicals. The only way we could ruin it was if we scattered nuclear waste all over its surface for no fucking reason.

>>131209013
>>131209058
meh i double posted cause i forgot to add a be on the first one muh bad

>>131208108
>no atmosphere to interfere
>in relation cheap camera with so much glare
>hurr durr this means the earth is flat folks !

Honestly this is a Congo Nigger Tier mindset.

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>>131207077
God that is stupid. Go colonize Sahara and Antarctica first. That is the easy more.

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>>131209136
because you can reproduce it

you go take a picture of something far away and do the math

>>131202445
The problem is that we can turn Mars into a livable shithole pretty fast, while we can turn Venus into something really good over the span of at least tens of thousands of years.

>>131209366
>colonize Antarctica
You will be assraped both legally and militarily by every global power

>colonize the Sahara
Someone took a bleak, undeveloped chunk of Africa and built a utopia on it once. Turns out having such grand developments within walking distance of niggers is never a good idea.

>>131200172
>>The professor ultimately believes that Mars colonization may only be a luxury that few people can enjoy
just imagine how crime free the colonies would be.
at least for a little while, after the negro gets affirmative colonisation action and more money for them colony programs all of it will go to shit.

>>131208853
There is no economic value in colonising Mars. Cars allow for fast travel and deluvery, same with Panama canal - they have a big economic impact.

Mars is purely a "because we can" type of deal. Just scientific curiosity n shit. Mars by itself will yield like 0 of the good shit points to the humanity. Related research in interplanetary travel might, but still unlikely .

>>131209485
Yeah, terraforming is sort of a meme.

But building a self-sustaining colony isn't, and when you built on Mars it doesn't have to be 100% efficient because you can always condense more air, fertilize more soil and dig more ore. You build a colony, you grow, you prosper, you build another colony. If you're really good at it in a millennium maybe the entire planet is one fuckhuge space station.

Flat earthers are at least 90% trolls. Rest is mentally retarded or overly religous. (same thing?)

Going to mars is a good thing, I just hope it doesn't cost too much tax money.

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>>131200172
SHOULDN'T WE START WITH THE MOON FIRST?

I MEAN, WE DID GET THERE ALREADY RIGHT? IT WASN'T TOTALLY FAKE OR ANYTHING, RIGHT?

WHY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT COLONISING MARS WHEN THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE THE MOON?

ITS NOT LIKE ITS SOME SHAREPRICE BOOSTING TACTIC, OR ANYTHING........RIGHT.......G-GUYS?

- fucking think about it

>>131209421

You have a chance at looking at the eclipse this year, don't miss it. Do it yourself, don't rely on any youtuber. Buy a ticket to the are where you can see it if necessary. Do something yourself instead of relying on Youtube idiots who get money from telling you 3 words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk9PYjOgt1k

>>131209728
If the efficiencies are there, building a city on Mars could be considerably cheaper than building the space station we have right now.

That's not to say the Mars colony will be "cheap", it's just saying holy fuck the ISS is overpriced

>>131208735
I presented just as many facts as you did.
You see,fuckheads like you just make it even more attractive.You just go back and tinker telescopes in your backyard.

>>131207804
People in the future we descibe will praise us for be forward thinking enough to get on with this now rather that this shit professor who will be forgotten for the nay sayer he is.

That's gift enogh in alot of ways. We will be immortalised whilst the 'important people' of the present to back to what and are forgotten forever.

>>131208125
Its the same mindset and behaviour of almost every " conspirancy " follower, especially when it comes to hard sciences like physics, chemistry etc.

They lack even the basic understanding and listen online to Morons who maybe get to some basics but thats all.
And now retarded followers start to believing and feeling special, being part of a " chosen group ", having access to klandestine information while of course everybody else are just sheep.

Sad people who live dull lives and cant get over the fact that there are no Witches in the woods, no mythical creatures in the jungles etc.
But instead of seeing the wonders science showed us, they go for Bullshit like the Flat earth.
Honestly they are on the same level as Congo Niggers.

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>>131209179
Wires because they are not in space.
Take a close look at this backflip

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Living on Mars would be terrible unless the atmosphere could be made breathable and the entire planet could be terraformed to have trees, plants, rich soil, rivers, ponds, lakes and/or oceans.

You'd be indoors all day, everyday. No nature. No trees. No rain. No ocean.

And the awareness of being so far away from home, knowing how long the journey back would be, would be very unsettling.

They can have fun trapped on Mars getting weaker and going mad while we're doing backflips into lakes and body surfing the ocean waves at the beach here on Earth.

>>131206123
He missed the grab and accidentally got his pinky caught in the dude's pocket.

>>131207815
This is exactly how clothing would react to a zero gravity environment. No gravity to pull anything down. For instance, if someone would pull there shirts up (like if they where trying to flash their tits) and let go, the shirt would remain lifted up.

>>131207868
Not sure what's supposed to be "off" in this video. But the specks that appear all over the screen is clearly dust on the lens seeing as you can literally see them moving with the frame at the end of the video when they move the camera to focus on the lit up coastal line.

>>131206123
Why would her hair be stuck up straight like it's loaded with product instead of free-flowing?

>>131209817
Don't worry, the Moon is coming. Next 10-15 years we will send a lot of probes to the Moon and eventually humans.

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>>131209421
Just go to Romania,there you can verify that the planet is not flat.

>>131209150
>isolated man made environment
You mean like Iceland? The Icelandic phrase referencing dying of cold translates to "being outside". I know a guy whose father died from being outside.

>>131209684
Mars used to have rivers, it's probably covered in gold.