Trump Gives Tax Cuts to the 1%

>>131183605
The rich actually do more for GDP than the poor. When your income goes up, your spending goes up. What do rich people do with 1 million dollars? They play golf, buy boats, travel, eat fancy food, etc.

That one 9 iron golf club just paid for the hourly salary of 30 people.

>>131183605
Have you ever had a job OP? If so....was your employer a low income earner?

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>>131183605
"It is striking to note that the best growth years for the bottom 99 percent since 1990 have taken place in the mid to late 1990s and since 2013, shortly after increases in top tax rates," Saez wrote.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/economicdevelopment/study-obama-tax-hikes-on-rich-didnt-hurt-economy-or-rich/2301353

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>>131183605
You have to understand that (((pol))) is a GOP establishment shill board who serves the billionaires globalists. You'll never get anywhere with these "people"

>>131183605
Obamaleaf summoned in 4...3...2...

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>>131183808
Despite what you billionaire globalist shillcucks think, billionaires don't need tax cuts

>>131183808
>GDP
First off having a high GDP is actually a bad thing since it increases wealth inequality

>What do rich people do with 1 million dollars? They play golf, buy boats, travel, eat fancy food, etc.
Sorry but society doesn't just exist to serve the rich. What your saying will lead to a society where most jobs are just serving the rich. Bascially we do work for them and they give us cash. That's like feudalism.

You don't even need that for spending though, give the money to people on welfare and they will spend it faster than the rich ever could.

>>131184106
WTF, I love tax increases to the rich now!

>>131184103
My employer was like 19 and i don't think he earned much, i did have a job.

>>131184106
>right-wing retards will respond with "BUT MUH CORELATION DOESNT EQUAL CAUSATION"

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>>131184352
the economy does better when you RAISE taxes on the rich. Helps to explain why Republicans always crash the economy.

>>131184206
I am so ashamed I used to like Trump. I used to buy the argument of "oh he'll lower corporate tax but raise taxes on the shareholders" but i was so SILLY

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>>131184369
Their entire cuck ideology is slashing taxes for the rich and blowing up the budget deficit. That's it. That's all there is to them. Their "healthcare bill" is a fucking tax cut for the rich bill.

>Obongoleaf replies to himself on multiple devices
Sad! Also filtered. Kill yourself nigger

>>131183808
The rich spending doesn't actually drive the economy now. How many people are actually employed in the luxury yacht business? The real backbone of spending is the middle class.

>>131184489
And this is coming from the same people who always bitch about the national debt. Debts raise like a fucking giraffe under Republicans.

>>131184540
Enjoy your ban

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>>131184419
lol you don't hear him saying much about that carried interest loophole do you?

Not saying you, but I'll never understand conservashits who think that massive globalist corporations that make billions in profits need tax cuts.

>>131184550
>How many people are actually employed in the luxury yacht business?
And even if they were, the economy does not exist to serve the rich.

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>>131184540
>everyone who disagrees with me is Obamaleaf

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>131184550
this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wAa9DqHZtM

>>131183605
>>131184297
>>131184489
One of the biggest successes of the democratic party has been their ability to convince people that they're poor due to other people being rich.

>don't forget to sage

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>>131183605
quiet down OP, no one is listening.

>>131184297
How do you think capitalism works? No other economic system has produced more wealth and equality to all than capitalism. You are paid for whatever skills you have. And rich people often come from middle class areas.

And the problem with people on welfare is that sure they buy their peanut butter and tomato sauce, but that still doesn't have the buying power of someone buying a boat.

>give the money to people on welfare and they will spend it faster than the rich ever could.
And that's the problem. That's why tons of actors, and athletes go from rich to poor in a few years after their career is done.

Again the only thing that actually helps people out of poverty is Education. However, when you reward people for having shit education and no skills, people become accustomed to it and decide to go on "learned helplessness". Hence why farmers can't find enough help even paying people $15/hour. They can pay them $25/hour and people still won't pick food. They have a better life sitting at home collecting benefits than actually pulling themselves up.

>>131184612
I don't understand it either. I think it's mainly brainwashing since big corporations spend billions on thinktanks and propaganda news outlets like fox.

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>>131184765
The biggest success of the Republican Party is to convince rural and suburban right wing retards that if billionaires just get another tax cut, it'll finally trickle down.

>>131184765
No, but other people being rich certainly contributes. Enjoy your ban

>>131184816
No one listens to you.

>>131184765
One of the biggest successes of the Republican party is convincing people that they're millionaires in waiting.

Take the example of the estate tax. They've convinced people that it's bad for them when it only applies if you're worth more than like 8 million dollars.

Same for tax cuts.

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>>131184929
Yes exactly. Right wingers don't even question their corporate gods.

>>131185001
Mayor Bloomberg.

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>>131185055
Yep right wing retards who want to repeal the estate tax are the biggest cucks of all

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>>131185001
When will they learn

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>>131183605
But i thought the top 1% don't pay any taxes

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>>131185133
>Republican

>>131184880
>How do you think capitalism works? No other economic system has produced more wealth and equality to all than capitalism. You are paid for whatever skills you have. And rich people often come from middle class areas.
Most rich people don't have skills, they employ skillful people to do their bidding

>And the problem with people on welfare is that sure they buy their peanut butter and tomato sauce, but that still doesn't have the buying power of someone buying a boat.
If it costs 2 million to buy a boat, and you redistribute that 2 million over 10 thousand welfare recipients it will still be the exact same buying power since it's the same amount of money. It's like the 10 pounds of bricks or 10 pounds of feathers thing.

>And that's the problem. That's why tons of actors, and athletes go from rich to poor in a few years after their career is done.
I thought spending was good?

>Again the only thing that actually helps people out of poverty is Education. However, when you reward people for having shit education and no skills, people become accustomed to it and decide to go on "learned helplessness". Hence why farmers can't find enough help even paying people $15/hour. They can pay them $25/hour and people still won't pick food. They have a better life sitting at home collecting benefits than actually pulling themselves up.
you can't get just an education though. how do you get it?

>>131184571
Internal debt goes up under republicans, which is good because the government is putting money back in the economy.

>>131185055
>
Take the example of the estate tax. They've convinced people that it's bad for them when it only applies if you're worth more than like 8 million dollars.
It actually doesn't. It applies to all. Estate tax taxes on your death, which is like 25%. However, when your beneficiaries are getting your money, they're also taxed because it becomes income. And since the tax bracket maxes out at about $250,000, a majority of middle class people are suddenly paying 52% taxes on their income. That's a double taxation which isn't fair.

I want the welfare state abolished and has taxes but this type of shit is criminal. It's literally theft to just cut revenue without cutting spending. This is just kicking the van down the road and assigning that future debt to me and my kids. Fuck Trump and fuck everyone else in that swamp

>>131183605
Why do you against this? Don't you want brave civil servants like Hillary Clinton and Obama to keep more of their money? They are in the 1%, after all.

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>>131185229
They will never learn. You know the song Born to be wild? They were born to be cucks.

>>131183605
remember when trump was going on and on about our 20 trillion dollar national debt during the election?
>cuts taxes
this gambit will take at least 10 years to possibly have any effect on the national debt if it proves to be successful but a more effective policy would be staunch protectionism
prepare for the debt and deficit to SOAR
our debt servicing will soon outstrip any money for real uses soon

>>131185212
I just paid the federal government $355k in taxes on my father's estate in 2012, why is it in my best interest to not keep that money?

>>131185300
That would cause debt to go down

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>>131185331
Patriots like Clinton and Obama don't mind raising taxes on themselves to make a better country >>131184403

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>>131185229

They pay the most in taxes by far, any cut is necessarily going to be bigger for them.

Don't be stupid.

>>131185300
>this will cause keynesians head to explode

>>131184106
brazenly fake graph lol, US never had a surplus, let alone one that big

just google tax revenue by year lmao

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>>131185406
Trump called himself the king of debt.

>>131185315
this

Flat tax

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>>131185259
If they didn't before, they certainly won't now

>>131185406
No amount of tax hikes could pay off the national debt. The USA is already fucked.

>>131183605
The economy is doing well you little shit.

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>>131185516
Yes they did >>131185452

Do you get all your news from right wing fake news sources?

>>131185462
It's better than forien debt witch basically doubled under ole Barry.

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>>131185598
It's about keeping the budget deficit manageable you fucking retard

>>131185812
t.the Canadian that posts the same images in every thread.

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>>131185457
>any cut is necessarily going to be bigger for them.
No not necessarily, only when you follow the GOP cuck book of memeconomics

>Don't be stupid
I don't vote Republican so don't worry

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>>131185795
Obama reduced the foreign debt % of the national debt. It's Bush that put 2 wars in the Middle East on the Chinese credit card.

>>131185738
Wait then why did the debt go up every year Clinton was President?

>>131185857
facts hurt you don't they

>>131184419

But seriously, we can't let him get his hands on the nuclear codes.

Here are 12 ways that Bernie Sanders can still win:

>>131183605
Trump cucks will defend this because they don't actually care about Trump improving America, they just care about trump

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>>131186004
Because the surplus was put into the SSTF which increased the intragovernmental transfers component of the debt.

Do you know what a budget surplus is? It's when revenues exceed expenditures. How do you people not know this?

>>131185296
>Most rich people don't have skills, they employ skillful people to do their bidding
So management and leadership isn't a skill?
>If it costs 2 million to buy a boat, and you redistribute that 2 million over 10 thousand welfare recipients it will still be the exact same buying power since it's the same amount of money. It's like the 10 pounds of bricks or 10 pounds of feathers thing.
That's true.
>I thought spending was good?
It is. but people still need to be able to only spend within their means. Or you'll create an artificial wealth period, which was seen in the Stock Market depression of 1929, and more recently the 2008 housing crisis. You can't keep giving people things to spend. People aren't robots that can just be nourished with bread (well they technically can...but that leads to the entire individualism vs collectivism thing)

>you can't get just an education though. how do you get it?
You get it through the passing of information. Information is obtained by doing things, reading things, experiencing things. Welfare recipients are "educated" in getting welfare, but they'll never get out of the definition of poverty because that's what they learned and passes it to their children.

>>131183605
You get to watch them march themselves to the graveyard and the come up with bullshit execuses as to why it didn't work out for them. There's no better form of entertainment which is why I keep coming to this shitfest board.

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>>131185993
Really makes me think

you guys realize your just replying to each other right? I don't pay you to fuck around.

>>131184106
The problem is government waste and fraud. More money encourages this. And who's to say they're not cooking the books given how corrupt these mofos are.

>>131186148
Isn't a budget surplus used to pay down the debt?

Just cut Military and Entitlements. It's the only way. Since nobody wants to cut entitlements, the only other option is cutting military. Since military is something like 30% of the budget, they need it lowered to 2% like NAFTA members!

>>131184489
Money is meaningless these days. The value is in real estate. If they can fix that shit market, people can have actual wealth other than monopoly money.

>>131186079
I won't defend it, but I won't mindlessly attack it either. The solution to all problems is not "TAX THE RICH". That 1% already pays 50% of taxes.

>>131183605
>>>131183605
>The rich actually do more for GDP than the poor. When your income goes up, your spending goes up. What do rich people do with 1 million dollars? They play golf, buy boats, travel, eat fancy food, etc.
>
>That one 9 iron golf club just paid for the hourly salary of 30 people.


Rich fucks Don't spend money you stupid cuck.

Have you seen Warren Buffet's house?

Does Romney spend all of the 20mil he made? I bet he only spends a few and saves The rest.

Every self made person I know are the biggest tight wads you've ever met.

>>131186245
>So management and leadership isn't a skill?
I will admit that but they get paid way more than others who have skills in other areas. Besides if i have great leadership and managment skills i can't just become rich.

>It is. but people still need to be able to only spend within their means. Or you'll create an artificial wealth period, which was seen in the Stock Market depression of 1929, and more recently the 2008 housing crisis. You can't keep giving people things to spend. People aren't robots that can just be nourished with bread (well they technically can...but that leads to the entire individualism vs collectivism thing)
Supply will eventually reach demand though. More workers will be hired to serve the needs of welfare recipients

>You get it through the passing of information. Information is obtained by doing things, reading things, experiencing things
I mean like a degree. That kind of education is meaningless in a market

>>131186430
Not with this congress.
>We got 10 million dollars extra!
>What do you want to do with it?
>Increase our pay, buy a cake? or pay down the debt?
>BUY A CAKE! BUY A CAKE! BUY A CAKE! BUY A CAKE! BUY A CAKE! BUY A CAKE!

And Trump wants to stop that cake buying. Is he successful? Right now? No. But I do earnestly think he's trying.
>He stops paying for the Y2K team
It's a start

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-15/trump-orders-government-to-stop-work-on-y2k-bug-17-years-later

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>>131186317
lol

I always ask GOP shills when was the last time a Republican balanced the budget. Hell when was the last time a Republican just REDUCED the budget deficit over their full term. They can never answer. Every single Democrat since WWII has REDUCED the budget deficit they inherited.

>>131186377
Republicans always like to say this but when they cut taxes all they do is gut revenues and explode the budget deficit.

>>131186676
My ideal system is where the rich have high taxes, spending is low and the debt is slowly paid down as GDP increases. Trump seems to want higher spending (military) and lower taxes.

>>131184106
lol your 2 data points have me convinced

>>131183808
Luxury goods generally aren't labour intensive as mid-range goods dollar for dollar.

For example, $500,000 Rolls Royce will require only about 3 times the labor to manufacture than $20,000 Toyota Corolla despite being 25 times more expensive.

Shift of economy towards luxury goods tend to depress employment and general health of middle class household finances.

>>131186732
Eisenhower lowered the deficit and his policies are the closest to Obamas or Sanders than any President ever LOL

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>>131186849
better cut taxes for billionaires goy surely that is the way to go lol

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>>131183605
lots of brainlets itt....
THE ACTUAL (((ELITES))) DON'T PAY TAXES ANYWAYS. THE "1%" THAT'S GETTING A BREAK ARE OUR BEST & BRIGHTEST GOYS (DOCTORS, ENGINEERS, ETC) STOP PULLING THEM DOWN FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EoetIL-MiM

>>131186849
sure

>>131186908
Where is the extra money going?

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>>131186929
That is correct. Eisenhower is the last one. 60 fucking years ago. And yeah this isn't Eisenhower's Republican party

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>>131186605
>Be CEO
>Pay workers 7.70 hour
>Pay yourself 3,000,000 per year because your work is 389610.38961 times harder

>>131184612
>could
>""""according"""" to """"one (((estimate)))""""
>(((schroeder)))
>not understanding what lower corporate tax rates produce
heh

>>131186937
You're really dumb. Doctors, engineers, lawyers, are all middle class and are the ones getting screwed by trumps tax plan.

>>131187066
Yep

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>>131186937
Lol you're bragging about deficit financed tax cuts for the rich? >>131184106

What is it with Nazis being billionaire globalist supercucks?

>>131183808
Salaries themselves are socialist wealth redistribution. Families got by on company scrip just fine for decades.

>>131185516
it's real. look it up from any source you choose

>>131187035
>Where is the extra money going?

here >>131184289


This is what all right wingers fight for

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>>131186937
also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l9B0gLUyz4

>>131186605
>Besides if i have great leadership and managment skills i can't just become rich.
You actually can. Since you'll have a skillset that's highly sought after. Having a proven leader that can make a company run as smoothly as possible is a highly sought after skillset. Sure you wont' instantly become rich over night, but over time, your skills improve and you move up the chain of money.
>More workers will be hired to serve the needs of welfare recipients
That's not true. Because people aren't willing to work. Farm workers aren't able to fill positions. And the reason they'r enot working? They get more from welfare and entitlements that earn more than working. Labor from Mexico don't have that much welfare, so it's worth it to them to work. And the much better mindset of Mexicans than American workers.

There's only so much time and money before the spending to keep welfare recipients alive will eventually backfire. Either companies are just going to keep producing more technology to displace even more people, or we move to a state controlled economy.

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-farms-immigration/

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>>131187092
Corporations already $6 TRILLION in profits per year. Only GOP establishment and billionaire globalist corporate shills think they don't make enough money.

>>131184289

You can't force people to bring their money into your country.

So the only way you can tax that money is if you make it more economically sensible to bring the money into your country so it can be taxed. Which is something Trump talked about on a regular basis throughout his campaign.

>>131187035
Shareholders, the people who put up the capital to build the car company and its factories

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>>131187422
Your billionaire globalist overlords dodged taxes so you wan't to punish them by giving them a sweetheart 4% tax rate? Do you right wingers ever realize how cucked you are?

You should actually research what happened when Bush did a repatriation tax holiday.

Fuck even the WSJ called it a failed policy.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203633104576623771022129888

Billionaires brought the money home, paid themselves dividends and laid off workers. You're a cuck.

>>131187309
When will they learn

>>131187284
>just fine
Yeah working in a coal mine when you turn 6?

>>131187503
Except that means that the luxury car industry must have a very high profit margin.

>>131187090
It actually is.
>pay china chinks 10 cents to screw in apple screens
>you need to go to meetings, navigate through different country laws, logistics of shipping and packaging, advertise, be in the public eye, and host of other responsibilities.

>>131187503
Don't they already have billions of dollars?

They just need a little more right?

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>>131187092
>not understanding what lower corporate tax rates produce
Oh, believe me, I know EXACTLY what they produce

>>131187673
It taught work ethic, something you clearly don't understand you fucking lazy nigger

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>>131187675
>A CEO does all this
>doesn't have managers and directors

also >>131185095

>>131184765
Well you see there's an infinite money supply despite our money....

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>nu/pol/ is defending it as usual

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>>131187675
(((pol))) literally fighting for billionaire globalist CEOs who ship jobs to China

boy u shills love proving me right

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>>131187161
>lower the taxes of the middle class screws them over
Wew lad

>>131187236
>posts a graph of two unrelated things
My graph is literally
RATE
&
REVENUE
direct relationship

Yours has about 6 gorillion variables that aren't accounted for and you pretend that it's all muh tax, even though my graph CLEARY shows that higher rates =/= higher revenues

I'm not surprised given your flag, but please go kill yourself before you infect anyone who hasn't taken Economics 101 yet

the Obama leaf is out of control

>>131187715
Trump wants to take it national!

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>>131183605
>implying socialism works

when will liberals learn, you always run out of other people's money dummies

>>131183605
>Trump gives Tax Cuts to the 1%
Fuck you, you web-spinning piece of shit. Republican senators have been the ones at work and adding this into the healthcare bill.

>>131187893
>wew lad
NO Right-wing retard. They are being screwed since they rely on the government (infrastructure, military, policing) and the government will have less money due to drumpfs plan.

>

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>>131187893
Lol you're getting btfo so bad that you're now posting fake news graphs that you can't even defend? Watch this.

Lol I always love when right wing retards post made up charts that they can't even defend.

Median income went up under Obama. Not down. It went from $53.5k to $56.5k and we still have 2016 numbers to come in.

Where the fuck are you getting Obama starting median real income $57k from? Do u retards even know when Obama took office?

Why the fuck do you right wing retards just make shit up?

Now watch this. I fucking guarantee it. This right wing retard won't defend his own fake news. He'll jump to the next bullshit.

You retards actually love getting btfo by me don't you?

>>131187643
Why should the US help Ireland with their cheap 15% corporate tax? That tax cut for corporations to Ireland surly didn't make their economy boom.

>>131183605
>Trump just cut taxes on the 1% so they will get even richer.

please show or link to the signed legislation

>>131183808
>The rich actually do more for GDP than the poor.

stealing shit isn't helping the GDP any, you only build sustainable value in your nation with Industry, none of these rich people are building any industry in this nation

>>131186849
Taxes were cut a lot in the years leading to the Great Depression too.

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Welcome to America, where you're allowed to get rich. Have some ambition, get rich yourself, and stop bitching about other people being better than you.

What's wrong? Anybody getting tax cuts is a good thing in my books

>>131187943
You know money doesn't dissapear right? When it's taken and spent it enters the economy, circulates it, and will end up back in the hands of the wealth. Stop using that outdated Margaret Thatcher quote you absolute moron.

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>>131187943
you know right wingers are losing when all they can do is bring up venezuela

>>131187889
We're talking about labor skills and human capital.
>Leaf
Oh go figure they can't keep things on topic.

>>131187422
>You can't force people to bring their money into your country.

you can encourage them in such a way where they don't have a choice, especially when you have control of the globe's most competent killing machine

>>131188073
Actually you have to be born rich.

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>>131188035
>That tax cut for corporations to Ireland surly didn't make their economy boom.

It didn't. Unless you're such a cuck that you think corporations hoarding money in bank accounts trickles down to the people?

>>131183605

Are you insane? In an ideally moral world everyone would pay the same amount, or at least pay an amount proportional to their use of public goods.Furthermore, those who run a deficit in use of public good vs contribution would have to work on behalf of the public to make up that deficit. What, do you also think rich people should have to pay more for groceries, appliances and other goods as well?

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>>131188193
And? Someone, somewhere, earned that money. What relevance is to me that that someone was born wealthy? Some people are born with good genetics, some are born with bad genetics, life isn't fair. Stop trying to take other people's money.

>>131183605
M8 are you retarded? pick up an economica book sometime. Cutting taxes on "the 1%" is proven to help the economy. Who do you think is responsible for the higher prices of goods, including fuel? The government! They tax "the 1%" and that tax gets passed on to consumers.


Not to mention the many other economic exchanged affected.

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brb need to take a break from all this right wing GOP establishment shill billionaire globalist cuckery

>>131188337
>And? Someone, somewhere, earned that money. What relevance is to me that that someone was born wealthy?
So they get to be rich since their ancestors stole from other people? I don't care if someone is rich per say it's the fact they stole it from others.

>>131183605
Good! cut the taxes and fuck the regulations

I rather be at the bottom of a rich society than being equal in a poor shithole like Venezuela

>>131188068
>, you only build sustainable value in your nation with Industry, none of these rich people are building any industry in this nation
>Tesla
>Apple
>Amazon
>Nividia
>DDD
>Google
>Home Depot
>Uber
>Facebook

So all these new technological upstarts didn't build any industry in this nation? From what I see these are all new companies, and these rich people are starting to expand.

Amazon just entered the food industry with Whole Foods. Guess rich people aren't expanding the economy at all.

>>131188193
My dad was born indebted to the mafia from his dads debts, and he worked his whole life until he was 26 years old. He's a millionaire now.

If he can do it, you have no excuse.

>>131184206
>All those white faces.
The South looks so fucking /comfy/. Mock them as stupid and rural all you want Obama leaf but Id take them over the freaks of Albuquerque any day.

>>131188276
>>It didn't. Unless you're such a cuck that you think corporations hoarding money in bank accounts trickles down to the people?

Do you have no notion of private property, negro?

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>>131188358
>Cutting taxes on "the 1%" is proven to help the economy.

LOL Republicans are this cucked holy shit.

"It is striking to note that the best growth years for the bottom 99 percent since 1990 have taken place in the mid to late 1990s and since 2013, shortly after increases in top tax rates," Saez wrote.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/economicdevelopment/study-obama-tax-hikes-on-rich-didnt-hurt-economy-or-rich/2301353


>>131184403
>>131184106
>>131184206

>>131188301
No but rich should pay more since money is constantly flowing into them. Their wealth will constantly rise if not while the middle class have to work for every net worth increase

>>131188292
Enjoy your ban

>>131188358
Pick up an economics book sometime bud, trickle down is DEBUNKED

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>>131188485
Yes I do. I understand your ideology you perfectly well. You want workers to work for as little as possible so your billionaire globalist overlords can hoard it all. >>131184289

>>131188380
POLITIFACT
lmao
>someone fucking uses politifact on this fucking board
>its a new leaf
how smug did you think you were going to be when you woke up and felt you were going to post knowingly bullshit information, but for some social justice reasons?

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>>131188430
Yes. They get to be rich, the strong strive and the weak suffer, welcome to real life. Rich people are rich, poor people are poor, thankfully America is a beautiful country where you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps as long as you're not an idiot. Maybe you won't be the next George Soros, but you can easily live a comfortable life and support a family if you work hard at it. Stop bitching about what your neighbor has, and start working to earn your own shit.

>>131188444
Venezeula is what America will look like if Trump keeps cutting the governments revenue sources.

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>>131188573
maybe these cucks just love getting pissed on

just like trump

His tax plans cut taxes for everyone you idiot.

>>131184297
>being richer is bad because it means some people are even more poor in comparison.


Nigger you are 100% full blown retarded.

Thats like saying its bad for me to win my third gold medal in olympics because some kids in elementary school are only on their second participation medal.


The economy isnt a zero sum game; inequality is neither good nor bad. Some people perform better than others. Thats life. Stop trying to bring everyone down to your pathetic low level of achievement because you're envious, Tyrone.

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>>131188622
>Whines like a bitch about the source because he can't challenge the facts

you're a newtard if you don't know who you're fucking with

>>131188132
read some Thomas Sowell you fucking retard, money is not real but resources can be wasted remember the Soviet Union? Venezuela, North Korea?

>>131188450
They certainly are expanding the economy, they are expanding THEIR economy. How does that benefit us?

>>131188463
Millionaires aren't the problem. My parents are millionaires, what I mean by wealthy is the top 1% who's money actually has political power, and the ability to individually effect the market.

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>Rich people get out of paying taxes through loopholes because taxes are so high!
Yeah, and they'll totally start paying taxes again once the tax rates are cut, right?

>>131188472
You are a freak

>>131183808
Lmao billionaires dont spend money they hoard it and extort it for power via wars. Only plebs spend money and tax cuts for rich hurts the average citizen.

>>131188193
Wrong.

That's the mindset of Canadians and Europeans who have a history of wealth staying in wealthy families due to Kangz and shit.

America? It's the culture of individuality and opportunity. Everyone has the opportunity to increase their social standing here. And that' rugged individualism is the foundation of American culture. Socialism destroys that idea that a person in America can't bring themselves up.
>Carnegie
>Morgan
>Rockerfeller

And today's people?
>Zuckerberg
>Cuban
>Schultz
>Winfrey
>Lauren

>>131188463
>millionaire
>rich
>not knowing how many millionaire there actually are and how the numbers shifted due to inflation so millionaires aren't even rich anymore
>not knowing the drastically increasing inequality because of this
Your dad also sounds like scum, just like the Kennedy's who got rich off of prohibition.

>>131188136
>you lose when you bring up a current example of the evil of socialism
fuck you go live in venezuela stupid leaf

>>131184403
The economy did well in the 1990's in large part because of Ronald Reagans economic reforms. Bill Clinton later had to be dragged kicking and screaming by Newt Gingrich into more free market policies.

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>>131188276
Right wing retards always forget about the Leprechaun tax rate

>>131188499
>>Cutting taxes on "the 1%" is proven to help the economy.
>LOL Republicans are this cucked holy shit.
>"It is striking to note that the best growth years for the bottom 99 percent since 1990 have taken place in the mid to late 1990s and since 2013, shortly after increases in top tax rates," Saez wrote.

Cutting taxes on everyone is the moral thing to do. "It is striking to note" . . . Haha, right the conditions of increased growth during the dotcom bubble are identical to the post-2013 period? Let me guess, you are poor?

>>131188628
>Yes. They get to be rich, the strong strive and the weak suffer, welcome to real life. Rich people are rich, poor people are poor,
That's why we have to democratically organize so we can pass laws that FUCK OVER the strong/rich.

>thankfully America is a beautiful country where you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps as long as you're not an idiot. Maybe you won't be the next George Soros, but you can easily live a comfortable life and support a family if you work hard at it. Stop bitching about what your neighbor has, and start working to earn your own shit.
I don't need to work dude i have all the money i want. However it would be great to pay less taxes if the rich paid more

>>131183605
The 1% pay 50% of the taxes though.

>>131188818
>Lmao billionaires dont spend money they hoard it and extort it for power via wars. Only plebs spend money and tax cuts for rich hurts the average citizen.

The also earn money which is their money to do with as they please!

>>131188711
>economy isn't 0 sum
There's actually a limited amount of money RETARD

>>131188683
So then revenue will fall and the government will have less money to spend on us? That benefits the wealthy you RETARD

>>131188737
Sowell is retard who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about

>money is not real but resources can be wasted remember the Soviet Union? Venezuela, North Korea?
Yeah i do actually, those countries are looking close to America with Donald Trump in charge

>>131188802
Sure

>>131188634
are you retarded? do you even read what you write before posting? is the complete opposite goverment should be small, Venezuela swallowed it all and wasted it now they are eating rats

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>>131188870
Lol no it didn't. Bill Clinton won because the Reagan/Bush economy was a failure. Trump called it a fucking DEPRESSION.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw&feature=youtu.be&t=191

Bill Clinton RAISED taxes on the rich. The exact opposite of Reagaonomics. Bill Clinton balanced the budget. The exact opposite of Reagaonomics. >>131184403


Republicans had nothing to do with the Clinton surplus. They pissed it away as soon as they could under Bush.

you don't live in the real world

When all you GOP shills can do, is try to take credit for OBAMA AND CLINTON GREATNESS, while completely dinduing your own GOP presidencies (see Bush), then I already won.

>>131186782
36 posts by this id.
24 posts by the blue flag saying the same shit.
60 posts of Obama Leaf Shit. I hope you know I am going to murder and bury a Canadian just for your faggotry.

>>131188758
By providing you a job.
>Fresh out of Highschool
>Work at Amazon shipping earning $12/hour
>That's $12/hr more than what I normally had at $0
>improve my skills and efficiency
>manager at the shipping area
>make $22/hr
>College and work harder
>come out and become part of the logistics team
>now salary at 80k/yr
>ad nauseum.

There are mechanics that work for Toyota that were paid 115k a year, but decide to rather open their own business with the skills Toyota gave them. And now own their own shop making 300k/year.

And that's how they help you. Stop blaming others for your incompetence

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>>131188870
>Ronald Reagan
>Economic reform
Leaked pic of that

>>131184550
Tell that to the luxury yacht employees who now have to find other jobs because their contribution to "the economy" isnt enough to justify their jobs.

You're arguing in favor of the government taking peoples money, by saying that keeping it isnt enough of a collective benefit. Its retarded and you havnt established a single good reason why the government should be taking more of peoples money to begin with, when its already spending vastly beyond its constitutional scope. Why should people in the luxury yacht business lose their livelyhood because dumb democrats want to give Jamal his third hand out this month or pay for rapefugees to come rape our women?

Lower taxes on everyone, lower spending. Simple path to prosperity.

>>131188845
Yup and people are still slaving away for 10 bucks an hour. Min wage needs to raise drastically to fit inflation but it never happens.

>>131189146
>So then revenue will fall and the government will have less money to spend on us? That benefits the wealthy you RETARD
>rich people now have more money to invest back on the economy
Taxes were a mistake

>>131189189
2 different people dumbass. How the fuck could I be typing that fast? You retards are fucking delusional paranoid lunatics.

This isn't your safe space.

Why do you care, anon? Are you a nigger?

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>>131188963
How's that working out for you,8 years of a super rich guy deciding what route the country goes. Nobody in America aside from brainwashed college kids buy into your socialist nonsense. This is America, you're as great as you make yourself.

>>131189146
>So then revenue will fall and the government will have less money to spend on us? That benefits the wealthy you RETARD

Wahhhh, less of other people's money to spend on you. Wahhhhh! Try getting a real job parasite!

>>131188819
In Canada the wealthy earned their money since people don't inherit money in Canada. America is basically just a pseudo-feudal aristocracy

>Zuckerberg
Born rich

>Cuban
Not sure about him

>Schultz
Good point

>winfrey
>lauren
Ok true but they are FEW exceptions

>>131184297

>They don't deserve their money, I do

Paraphrased for you

>>131188758
The wealthy (((one percent))) is powerful for reasons that go beyond money, anin.

Tax cuts and basic economic change/policy will do nothing to them.
>>131188845
Lad, he ran a restaraunt chain. You dont even know what he did to make money.

I see now Ive been baited by shills or teenagers with no idea what money is, so this will be my last reply.

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>>131189270
>Reagan economic reforms

Trump called it a fucking depression.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw&feature=youtu.be&t=191

>>131189146
>close to America with Donald Trump in charge
the fuck? C'mon your'e a smart guy, you have good ideas and reasons, but those three countries are what Trump is doing to America? you can't be that idiotic to believe that.

>>131188845
This 100%. My family are millonaires but we consider ourselves working class proleteraiet like everyone else. We aren't part of "the club" that actually is behind all this shit and neither are most.

>>131188850
Sorry i don't like ultra-capitalist nations moron

>>131189081
They steal it actually

>>131189274
>Yup and people are still slaving away for 10 bucks an hour. Min wage needs to raise drastically to fit inflation but it never happens.

No one has to make minimum wage and every adult who makes minimum wage and isn't doing anything about it should be ashamed for even consuming air.

>>131189146
>Yeah i do actually, those countries are looking close to America with Donald Trump in charge
yea Trump just seize the means of production... oh wait no he cutting regulations and giving tax breaks to stimulate it

seriously dude your communist shit has never worked

>>131185001
The only thing trickling down is the oatmeal your mother spooned into your mouth, dumb leaf.


But who can expect a canadian to understand how free market economics works? You elected a cuck who is happy to watch your economy crash to pay for Ahmeds 20 kids to come to Canada and live with him for free.

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(((pol))) shilling that billionaires need tax breaks because yacht makers

I'm out

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>>131183605

>>131189507
And?

>>131188444
Actually, Venezuela has a bit worse inequality than the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality
And speaking of shitholes and inequality, violent crime strongly correlates with economic inequality, the bigger the wealth gap the more violent crime. Economic inequality has been soaring for decades and violent crime has been on the rise. The only reason for the dip in crime from the 90s to the 2000s was cause of drastic measures like the 1994 crime bill.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-crime-statistics-released

http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/003465300559028

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/sites/default/files/research-digest-violent-crime-final.pdf

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/073401689301800203

>>131189081
For sure but decreasing their taxes is just asking to fucked harder by the inequality gap. I feel we are headed for another war soon as well. Trump is going hardcore jobs and pooling money at the top. My guess is on Iran and then China down the line for topples.

>>131189507
>They steal it actually

Sorry Paco, this isn't Mexico. Our billionaires actually produce or offer legal goods and services here to gain wealth.

>>131189383
>don't inherit money in Canada
So every single dime your parents make goes to 0?

That's ridiculous. Familial wealth should increase with every generation. Look at all those Asians from the 1970's

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>>131189448
>Obama leaf will never stop being a left wing retard
SAD.

>>131189274
Immigration is the number one cause of wage stagnation.

>>131189228
Stop blaming yourself since your poor. You're literally a victim and blaming yourself. Jobs are a form of wage-slavery since a corporations pays you somewhat for your labour but it's actually valued more. So they are getting a share of your labour.

>>131189273
>Tell that to the luxury yacht employees who now have to find other jobs because their contribution to "the economy" isnt enough to justify their jobs.
Nahhh, fuck them. I don't give a shit about some old shitheads who make Yachts

>Lower taxes on everyone, lower spending. Simple path to prosperity.
Rich people steal money, they should have to give it back.

>>131189288
>rich people buying up even more of the economy
>good
Fuck off

>>131189516
Really? Single mothers ring a bell? Not everyone has the time nor the aptitude to look to screw over other people.

>>131189549
>45 posts by this (((id)))
Did he leave to go kill himself? Nope I guarantee he's dropping the same copy pastas in the next bread.

>>131189229
How about less taxes for everyone except Niggers? Certainly we can all agree on this? I mean who else is a huge waste of resources and never works like a pack of niggers.

>>131189312
Because i actually give a shit about the economy RETARD

>>131189328
>Nobody in America aside from brainwashed college kids buy into your socialist nonsense. This is America, you're as great as you make yourself.
Yeah because most Americans are low-IQ RETARDS

>>131189362
>WAHHHHH MORE TAXES WAHHHH WAHHH I DONT LIKE TAXES WAHHHHH
Grow the fuck up.

>>131189383
Oh and I chose the most extreme example. Lots of families in America are doing better than what they normally had.

I know my neighbor was an immigrant from mexico that used to ship bananas. Because he's able to be fluent in spanish and english, he was hired by a company to oversee the shipping from here and latin america. He told me he loves it in America because he's actually able to buy a house here and much better than where he comes from. That's a rags to riches story if anything.

>>131189328
>Nobody in America aside from brainwashed college kids buy into your socialist nonsense.
Yeah, it's not like the majority of the country votes for Democrats and that Republicans need electoral affirmative action to win......wait

>>131185406
Why the fuck should I have to pay more because Obama drove up the debt so much?

Yeah itll take years to pay it off. Stop deficit spending and itll eventually go away.

Oh but then we cant hand out unearned gibs left and right for votes and fund 10 more wars!

Fucking cuckold. Fuck off and stop taking my money. What is difficult about the notion of economic liberty to you lefist parasites? Stop taking peoples hard earned money for your pet projects, and stop running up the credit card bill.

Goes for both democrats and republicans. Both parties are guilty of it. At least republicans try to lower taxes, but then they go right on spending so it defeats the purpose.

>>131189751
True. Lets say its serfdom under slavery. USA USA USA.

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>>131189843
That's called a poor life choice. She was a whore for a night, and unfortunately, actions have consequences. Her consequence is being under qualified for a well paying job, and having to support a life with the few jobs she can get.

>>131189843
Roasty whore shouldn't have had a kid out of wedlock and white knight cuckolds like yourself is why she gets away with it. Women only understand social pressures and that whore and her autustic little spawn should be shunned and ignored.

>>131189417
More than they do that's for sure

>>131189428
>The wealthy (((one percent))) is powerful for reasons that go beyond money, anin.
Nice bait

>>131189471
Those three countries were bad due to U.S fucking up their economies, trump is using the U.S government to fuck up the U.S economy. Same thing in a way

>>131189634
>For sure but decreasing their taxes is just asking to fucked harder by the inequality gap. I feel we are headed for another war soon as well. Trump is going hardcore jobs and pooling money at the top. My guess is on Iran and then China down the line for topples

Leaving the morality of taking the property of some by force and giving it to others who have not earned it out for a second . . . Do you actually believe that increasing transfer payments is an adequate way of addressing inequality? Anyone of almost any intelligence level and enough drive can learn a skilled trade and would likely never have to "mind the gap" again.

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>>131189908
Well, this "low-IQ Retard" country rules the world. Sucks to be anyone else. We're not going to steal from the rich and give it to you, you can earn your wealth, or you can bitch about it, but you're never going to get a dime of their money.

>>131189475
>Sorry i don't like ultra-capitalist nations moron
is opposite world with this fucking leaf, you are really retarded feel so good you'll die alone

>>131185406
I do not get it why is every president always for tax hikes or tax cuts but never addresses the problem of the debt ceiling.

>>131183605
>be france
>raise tax on billionaires
> oops all the billionaires moved
>looks like the middle class will have to make up the deficit now!

>>131189528
Yeah sure dude, even though those three countries show what capitalism can do. They ruin economies

>>131189548
>not realizing Trudeau supports free markets
FUCKING RETARD, he's why the Canadian economy is shit

>>131189581
And that's why they should give it back or face jail

>>131189666
Thx Satan, supporting structural theft

>>131189692
You inherit wealth but if you have 5 kids it gets divided down each of them.

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>>131189929
That's the point. And since Republicans run all three branches of the government, it's not going to be changed. So it's a race for the electoral win, not the popular vote win. How did Hillary's popular vote do for her? Is she president? Exactly.

>>131189786
>Stop blaming yourself since your poor. You're literally a victim and blaming yourself.
The fuck?
>Jobs are a form of wage-slavery since a corporations pays you somewhat for your labour but it's actually valued more. So they are getting a share of your labour.
They are, and I'm getting a share of profits that I help them with. And they're getting me at the cheapest price they can. In return I bought my house, and get to eat steak dinners. It's a win/win for both of us.

>>131183605
>The 1%
Why is it ok to demonize part of society?

>>131190022
>Roasty whore shouldn't have had a kid out of wedlock and white knight cuckolds like yourself is why she gets away with it. Women only understand social pressures and that whore and her autustic little spawn should be shunned and ignored.

Agreed. No one forced it to spread her legs, and regardless she could have gotten condoms for free. Such behavior should not be encouraged, particularly when those doing the right thing cannot afford to have kids. With enough examples of such people as her struggling, we would see less of such cases.

>>131190080
I know that's still you lead.
>37 posts by this id.
Taxation is theft and the weak should fear the strong. We have this little thing in America called charity we give more FREELY than any of you fucking Canadian or european fucking ever do. Maybe the only way to get a spulless socialist to give is to take it from them but we're not you.

>>131190019
>>131190022
Shes a mother not a whore. Whores abort.
>>131190105
Its like i said. People at the top do not participate in the system. Cutting their taxes only speeds up the process.

>>131188573
This is off topic but are there any "must read" for economy related books you guys can recomment?

>>131189843
>aptitude
Retards deserve to be poor.
>single mothers
Deserve to be shot, hopefully the kids are given to non-failures.
>>131189786
I know a guy who buys up failing businesses and invests in them to rebuild them from the ground up.

He makes money by turning them into successful businesses, and he creates more jobs than the failing business couldve had even if they were successful. He is a billionaire, and he has also invested more money into programs that create jobs and train workers to fight poverty than you ever will in your failure of a life. I've seen literal hundreds of businesses that he has flipped into being hyper-successful. He doesn't just hoard the earnings, he uses them on OTHER JOBS. You and I both know the problem isnt BEING rich, its what a specific group of (((people))) happen to do with their money. If you deny this, you are retarded.

>>131189666
uh, you must be new here. ever heard of high-frequency trading and other such schemes that add no value to the economy other than squeezing your jew nose in between to snort up shekels and shit up markets?
or how about using your money to lobby for regulations which ensure you will never be challenged by a newcomer into your business sector?
there's like a million of these scams. how about patent trolling? etc

>WE NEED TO RAISE TAXES ON THE RICH
> HAHA JUST KIDDING THE RICH EVADE THE TAXES BECAUSE THEY ARE THE RULING CLASS
> PAY DEBNTS, MIDDLE CLASS

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>>131190410
No, Feminists abort. Whores have premarital sex.

>>131190148
Yeah your country rules the world because Dwight Eisenhower funded a massive military by taxing the wealthy at 91%. REEEEEEEEEETARD

>>131190192
Shut up RETARD

>>131190105
>Leaving the morality of taking the property of some by force and giving it to others who have not earned it out for a second
Exactly why I hate capitalism, capitalism is the constant theft of the poor to the rich.

We really need to start looking for an answer to the liberal question.

>>131190271
>>>131189666 (You)
>Thx Satan, supporting structural theft

Haha, "structural theft". HAHAHA! Obscuring your poverty of thought with jargon will not benefit your argument. Maybe I would take you more seriously if you stopped using all these products the billionaires produce. Just maybe!

>>131189075
And it's not. 50% doesn't matter cause of how low the rates are for them when compared to the overall growing wealth gap.

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>>131190519
Let me stop you at "Your country rules the world."

>>131190211
>not realizing what a travel ban is

>>131190288
LOL who gives a fuck about that dude. Yeah I eat steak dinners too, and yeah i have a house, but guess what dude it's about power struggles. Vassals under Feudalism got some good shit but they were still victims of structural violence from the Lords.

>>131190293
Because they're all a bunch of crooks.

>>131190080
>U.S fucking up their economies
They fucked their own economies.
>USSR
Capitalism generated tons of wealth and their communist economy couldn't keep up
>Venezuela
Took state control of corporations and seizures of property causing companies to leave. Now their people have no jobs or money. But they now have bread to eat after waiting in lines for 4 hours.
>NK
SK and Japan. Both had huge American fuckery and now they're some of the most prosperous nations in the world

>>131190272
>It won't be changed
Maybe not today. But, if I were you, I'd batten down the hatches and start saving your shekels. Your affirmative action and parasitic nonsense is starting to piss people off.

>>131190514
You are saying all women are whores.

>>131190357
>it's her fault her husband who agreed to raise a kid ditched

>>131190420
Confessions of an Economic Hitman.

>>131190519
>>Leaving the morality of taking the property of some by force and giving it to others who have not earned it out for a second
>Exactly why I hate capitalism, capitalism is the constant theft of the poor to the rich.

So producing products that the everyone, including the poor, buy is theft? Hahaha! Wait, don't the rich pay the way of the poor through transfer payments. Hey, so then when the poor buy goods from the rich, the rich are just getting their money back. How is that theft? You really are an idiot.

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>>131190719
Let them eat cake.

>>131190436
>I know a guy who buys up failing businesses and invests in them to rebuild them from the ground up.
Ok so let me ask you this, where did he get the money to buy these failing businesses?

>He makes money by turning them into successful businesses, and he creates more jobs than the failing business couldve had even if they were successful. He is a billionaire, and he has also invested more money into programs that create jobs and train workers to fight poverty than you ever will in your failure of a life. I've seen literal hundreds of businesses that he has flipped into being hyper-successful. He doesn't just hoard the earnings, he uses them on OTHER JOBS. You and I both know the problem isnt BEING rich, its what a specific group of (((people))) happen to do with their money. If you deny this, you are retarded.
Holy shit you're retarded. He is literally creating jobs, that's the equvilent of Charlemange capturing tons of Gauls and making them slaves. you think this guy that you know gives a flying fuck about any of his employees?

>>131190105
Better education would be funded much better funded if we could get more money from the rich, even if you use the whole voluntary charity strawman, it'll still be the rich using their money to the extent it actually benefits others and that requires more than a small amount. There's no reason to believe the rich will do such things voluntarily to such an extent, the Reagan tax and regulation cuts of the 80s were based on the supposed incentive for it, but the reality is that didn't happen and Reaganomics was a failure.

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>>131190738
The majority of women are whores, absolutely. That being said, I don't blame them. It's a man's job to take their hand and guide them towards good morals, unfortunately we as a society failed them. That doesn't mean future generations won't correct this.

>>131190762
>>it's her fault her husband who agreed to raise a kid ditched

I never said I was for eliminating the safety net entirely. But /most/ of these single mothers on welfare were never wed. But nice try on attempting to universalize the virtuous case exception.

>>131190514
Everyone aborts

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>>131191015
Even men? I never knew.

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>>131188031

I just looked over the US census excel sheet to kinda get away from the up and down lines hurr durr look, and i wanna just show you what I found.

>Clinton between 1993-2000
>Highest Median Income Year - 57,909
>Lowest Median Income Year - 50,478
>Average American Income During Presidency - 54,291

>Bush between 2001-2008
>Highest Median Income Year - 57,423
>Lowest Median Income Year - 55,376
>Average American Income During Presidency - 56,192

>Obama between 2009-2016 (We dont have 2016 so I gave it a growth of $484 just to give an estimate.Came out at 57,000)
>Highest Median Income Year - 57,000 (56,516 Accurate highest for 2015)
>Lowest Median Income Year - 52,666
>Average American Income During Presidency - 54,376

>Clinton - 54,291
>Bush - 56,192
>Obama - 54,376

So to me at least, barring the Line graph, overall americans enjoyed higher median income during Bush presidency than Clintons or obamas. According to https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2016/demo/p60-256.html Income and earnings

>>131190578
Sorry but no one takes you Nazis seriously

>>131190588
> Maybe I would take you more seriously if you stopped using all these products the billionaires produce. Just maybe!
I'll use whatever the fuck i want to use retard

>>131190738
All modern women are whores and yes so are the men. Should be virgins getting married statistics show they have heslthier happier sex lives and marriages. The more Partners you've had the less happy and successful your marriages are. So yes it is incredibly important to Slut Shame these Millennials so that Generation Z women grow up to be happier I don't hate women I want them to be happy.

>>131188031
oh man he said he's btfoing people that must mean he's winning his little internet argument

>>131190901
>Ok so let me ask you this, where did he get the money to buy these failing businesses?
A loan from the bank.

>>131183808

>claims spending money on gucci or yachts feeds or helps anyone

ya go suck ya dads cock faggot

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>>131191165
He's never won in his life, that's reserved for Donald Trump the Great.

>>131190904
Lack of money isn't the problem with American education.

>>131190685
>They fucked their own economies.
Nope. USSR got fucked by American military and Venezuala is only poor because America fucked them up

Japan doesn't count since after 1945 the U.S worked to help them get better

>>131190781
Here's an example

>tons of Africans own their own self-employed businesses
>Big corporations comes and sells products cheap
>Africans go unemployed
You're a retard

>>131191282
Let me ask you something else, does he give a rats ass about any of his employees?

>>131183605
>give tax cuts
>give
Implying that tax cuts is a gift to someone that we give. Here we give you the gift of allowing you to earn what you keep. There are many twists of truth used by the left, another popular one is that something can't exist without government making it (implied, but yes) such as: "New GOP plan takes away healthcare from 40 million!!!!111!" as if healthcare suddently would evaporate.

>>131191390
The rich stole the money from everyone else, it's not their money, so letting them keep it is in fact a gift.

>>131190271
you are a brainwashed moron and most likely unnemployed

>>131190904
>Better education would be funded much better funded if we could get more money from the rich, even if you use the whole voluntary charity strawman, it'll still be the rich using their money to the extent it actually benefits others and that requires more than a small amount. There's no reason to believe the rich will do such things voluntarily to such an extent, the Reagan tax and regulation cuts of the 80s were based on the supposed incentive for it, but the reality is that didn't happen and Reaganomics was a failure.

Numerous studies and examples from other countries, e.g. Finland, contend against the claim that throwing money at bad schools is the solution to education problems.

The poor tend to contribute nothing to charity (including volunteer hours) or anything else.
Private property should be at the disposal of those who possess it. Anything else is state instituted robbery.
Rather than tax the rich, we should lower the cost of some publics works by compelling those who use the most public benefits to volunteer on them.

>>131184289

Iam going into cyber banking so we can eliminate this.

Gates is already in on it

>>131190781
Crony capitalism is theft. They are selling you depreciating objects not wealth.
>>131190950
True. Behind many single mothers is a "you are not the father" douche who is responsible for the situation.

>>131190762
>Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
published 2004? lol no way the information was untouched

>>131183808
They also pay most of the taxes...

>>131191352
This. We spend more on education and health care than any other Nation yet we have terrible outcomes because the socialist government has all these regulations and all the teachers unions have their finger in the pie and there's a bunch of corrupt Marxists running the schools as brain washing centers. Do they even teach anything other then intersectionalism now? Yet "liberals" fight school vouchers that could get minority students out of these schools at every chance they have it's almost as if they want the minority people to be stupid and poor so they'll keep voting for them.

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sage

Why are american so hopelessly brainwashed into actually thinking this a good idea.
It's been proven for more then 70 years that supply side economics has fucking failed and does not spur growth and new business at all. Yet people ironically believe that somehow this is in their best interests
Right now we still have a deficit from Medicare and SS and it will only get worse. When the deficit only get worse the GOP will then cleverly use the excuse of "CUT DEM PROGRAMS" like art, public broadcasting,research and public infrastructure funding despite it being less then 1% of the discretionary budget.

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>>131191504
you can't blame the father either, he was made an offer he couldn't pass up. What it comes down to is marriage, you need that incentive to stick around. That's why I'm thoroughly against either gender having premarital sex.

>>131191450
I am employed actually

>>131191525
What?

>>131191376
>>>131190781 (You)
>Here's an example
>>tons of Africans own their own self-employed businesses
>>Big corporations comes and sells products cheap
>>Africans go unemployed
>You're a retard

Uh, how is that theft? You are forgetting the next step. Big corporation hires tons of Africans to sell those cheap products which are produced more efficiently. Overall economic growth results and said African country takes a tiny but significant step out of third-world status (perhaps).

>>131191757
So basically the Africans who used to work for themselves are forced by the system to work for someone else who now has power over them. Literal neo-slavery.

>>131191436
>""""""stole""""""
This is one the many ways you can determine if a person is in Occupy Wallstreet. I am guessing that when Tyrone takes your wallet it's not stealing, it"s slavery restitution.

>>131183605
... Fucking what? You think rich people having more money makes the economy worse?
You are either an uneducated moron, or a twelve year old. Either way don't post again until you learn some basic economics

>>131188818
>billionaires are the only income bracket in the 1%

Nigger, you only have to make ~250k per year to be in the 1%. My goofy ass is technically in the 1% (barely) and I need a tax break.

spurs revolution faster

Eat the rich

>>131191376
>does he give a rats ass about any of his employees?
of course he does. If his employees decide to leave, he now has to go out and find another, causing trouble and inefficiency.

>Japan doesn't count since after 1945 the U.S worked to help them get better
Suddenly doesn't count.

You sound like you want everyone to have their own home, get to go to a store, get whatever they want for food, then leave and do whatever they want. And it's the government's job to be able to produce all products at all times to please the consumers.

That makes absolutely no sense.

>>131191848
I was part of Occupy actually I was one of the people in this video. I would say who but then it will become known that i was on /pol/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMGoB01qiA

>>131191504
>>>131190781 (You)
>Crony capitalism is theft. They are selling you depreciating objects not wealth.

You mean consumers are CHOOSING to purchase depreciating objects. You might want to try learning some more English, as you are clearly overextending the semantic range of the word "theft".

>>131192021
You're peter schiff?

>>131183605

I'm really enjoying team Shariablue telling me at length how taxes are great for everyone and would never ever drive corporations to invest in other countries.

I'm sure hiring immigrants is always better than hiring Americans too.

I'm sure America got where it is through many decades of socialism.

This all sounds really great. How can we make America more like France and the UK. The not currently on fire or slums or exploded by Achmed parts I mean? Or the not starving parts of Venezuela.

What is your plan for positive change?

>>131191849
It's a fact that they are the source of our economic mess. You are an uneducated moron. Go learn some basic economics you uneducated freak.

>>131191897
>earn 250K a year
>i need a tax break

>>131191947
It makes perfect sense to a child's mind anon. A child gets sad when his parents go to work he only knows they're gone he doesn't know they're off making him money to pay for everything he has he thinks it's magic so jobs are bad we can just get free shit! Birdy Sandals told me so!

A lot of anger and no solutions in this thread. Really makes you think. Reactionary communists are the fucking worst. You have ZERO demonstrable evidence that your bullshit massive taxes work. Don't talk about countries with 9 million people then compare it to the US with 320 million people and a fucked up health culture.

>>131191947
>of course he does. If his employees decide to leave, he now has to go out and find another, causing trouble and inefficiency
So he sees them as basically complex farm animals? NICEE

>You sound like you want everyone to have their own home, get to go to a store, get whatever they want for food, then leave and do whatever they want. And it's the government's job to be able to produce all products at all times to please the consumers.
Yes actually

>>131192087
No! I was one of the people who asked him something. Honestly fuck it im at 18:06 this thread is almost dead anyways

>>131192021
This explains why you are such an entitled shit.

>>131183605
>Trump Gives Tax Cuts to the 1%
funny way of saying the bottom 50% dont have to pay taxes anymore.

>>131191843
>So basically the Africans who used to work for themselves are forced by the system to work for someone else who now has power over them. Literal neo-slavery.

By the system? You mean their own governments opening up their economies? Well, the could remain as street merchants ad aeternitatem, or they can integrate into the modern world economy and hopefully advance in their standards of living and no longer be dependent on aid to survive. The industrial revolution the west underwent had winners and losers as well. You are leaving out all the Africans that are hired in logistics, finance, IT, etc., as a result of this opening up. A modern economy has to be more than collections destitute farmers and street merchants.

>>131192099
>never drive corporations to invest in other countries
That's the point idiot. No one likes big corporations they should fuck right off

>venezeula
America will look like Venezeula if Trump keeps slashing taxes to the rich

>>131192176
Shut up child, stop getting sad. All you want is free shit and for slavery to be legalized again, you disgust me.

>>131192120
>earn 250K a year
>i need a tax break

What about this dont you understand?

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>>131192099
The best part is this is their A-game right now. They literally have nothing better.

>>131192120
> pay more than 70% of the tax bill

> not wanting poor niggers to pay more

Gas yourself

>>131192178
It has been proven in the thread 40 fucking tiems high taxes work. You even admitted it, now fuck off. America has literally 32x the population of the country with 9 million people, so by basic numbers socialism will work 32x as well as the other country.

>>131184297
Confirmed, UN flag is the new leafposting.

You are dead wrong.

Who has 100k laying around to create a good paying job... anybody? Oh hello 1%, step right up and make this 100k a year job for america...

A poor person has no money to make a job for me. But a rich person does.

>>131187715
I don't think you do.
Situation A:
Company is taxed 25%. They are unable to afford to hire their planned 100 employees. They cut the number to 50 to accommodate. The company makes $1 million in profit due to the shortage of manpower. The government makes the additional 10% ($100,000) on the company's revenue tax.

Situation B:
Company is taxed 15%. They can afford to hire as planned. They hire 100 employees. The company makes $1,500,000 due to operating at full capacity. The government doesn't make the extra $100,000 on the corporate tax, but more than makes up for it by standard income tax on an additional 50 employees who are making an average of $50,000, resulting in ~$10,000 per employee ($500,000).

9/10 bait made me reply unironically.

>>131191682
Uch its all a mess really. Abstaining from sex is an affect of a conservative society which we dont have. Best we can hope for is for people to have protected sex. I dont hear much about condoms anymore. I wonder if they are milking abortion now.
>>131191897
Is this true 250k is part of the 1%? Doesnt matter does it though.
>>131192026
People dont choose to purchase objects these days. We are living in a democratic autocracy. Meaning the masses are brainwashed not to think but consume and be promiscuous. Even as i say this my brain is filled with subliminals which effect how i act. We havent been free since the 1800s.

>>131191676

Uh, well, there is also a moral argument to allowing people to keep more of THEIR OWN money.

>>131192487
>You mean their own governments opening up their economies?
Yep. That too, fuck the governments that allow corporations in

> Well, the could remain as street merchants ad aeternitatem, or they can integrate into the modern world economy and hopefully advance in their standards of living and no longer be dependent on aid to survive. The industrial revolution the west underwent had winners and losers as well. You are leaving out all the Africans that are hired in logistics, finance, IT, etc., as a result of this opening up. A modern economy has to be more than collections destitute farmers and street merchants.
I'm a big fan of Ronald Reagans ideology. He said that he believed that workers should control their own production and said in the future he hopes that workers have shares in their own company. However I also hate Reagan since he did EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of this in policy and went full trickle down in charge

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>>131192591
Bitching and moaning on this thread won't make America socialist. You need to vote in people who will push your agenda, like Obama. Unfortunately for you, not all of America agrees, so we voted in someone like Trump.

>>131192021
>green hat mexican named Sage.
>getting owned by peter schiff
Why didn't you ask to get a job from him?

>>131192572
Because you already have enough money, what the fuck do you do?

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>>131183605

Taxation is theft op. Stop trying to divide and conquer.

>>131192589
please tell me you have cancer

>>131192701
>supporting wage-slavery
Fuck off

>>131192021
>the UN flag guy is sage from the video in which schiff destroyed everyone
no fucking way.I remember you. I also remember that you rely on anecdotal fallacy

>>131192493

lol you're a terrible troll compared to Obamaleaf


https://youtu.be/ahMGoB01qiA

You know Schiff BTFO out of socialists here for two hours (!) I'd be ashamed to be anyone but Schiff in that video.

Linked my favorite part above where socialist leftshit retard gets educated about the great depression and told he was brainwashed in a gov't school.