McDonalds Is Replacing 2,500 Human Cashiers With Digital Kiosks

We have them since 1 year or two. Nothing special. People still work there you know. They're putting the order together.

Are you going to post this everyday so the same theee arguments can be made everyday


Fuck off with your nigger food

>>131163889
Old news, this been increasing in my country for years.
It sucks, but fuck it, robots are going to replace whatever industry you can think of within a working life.

>But writing
Bitch computers write news articles now

>>131163889
Here's your replacement for $15/hour, Bernie.

>>131163889
don't care, that companies days are numbered, their sales have been dropping every year

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>>131163889
It is great.

Less people working shitty jobs, means more people in STEM and arts. More people availabe to design and build more machines.

>>131163889
Automation is good. In the future we will live in a utopia where the majority of people can be NEETs

>>131163889
Socialism is the only answer to mass automation

Not even shitposting, I believe this will cause a resurgence in left wing politics

>>131164344
Not yet! That's my main issue with the current left wing.

Automation requires capitalism to grow and results in socialism, its simply idiots looking three generations ahead forget it is the present.

Give it 10-15 years and yes, socialism.

>>131163889

Mass automation will be the death of illegal immigration, so I'm all for it. Once all the low skill jobs from fast food to fruit picking are handled by machines, there will be nothing left for low-skill foreigners and no way for libshits to justify bringing in more of them because all the "jobs Americans don't want to do" will be automated.

>Once all the low skill jobs from fast food to fruit picking are handled by machines

We are heading down a path were more and more jobs will be automated, and it won't just be low skilled, shitty jobs

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/22/bridgewater-associates-ai-artificial-intelligence-management

Management jobs are in the early stages of being affected. Immigration wont have much to do with it, they might just be some of the first to lose jobs but it will happen to a lot of people in time

>>131164035
top kek this is a time honoured tradition here anon. You haven´t truly lurked until you´ve seen the same topic every day for a month straight AND it looks like the same guy posting it with only a few pictures used for "variety". A good one from recent times comes to mind "Where have all the good men gone" tier posts.

Also OT so I don´t get b&: Automation is good to an extent but comes with many risks as we all know and should be introduced slowly, wisely and compassionately. Which is not how business operates at all so prepare for the revolution of workless sexless hopeless men.

>>131164776
meant to reply to
>>131164561

We don't have fucking entitled niggers demanding three times what their labour is worth.
Which is why we still have people behind the counter at McDonalds.

>>131165004
Oh its happening to you soon kek

https://kioskindustry.org/self-order-kiosk-mcdonalds-germany/

>>131165004
Why price their labor instead of their time. Time is the only true resource worth having.

>>131163889
I like these thing.
I can take my time to choose what I want since I rately eat fast food and don't know the menu.

I can't wait to use them. I prefer not to deal with a person who believes they should earn $15 an hour for just taking an order, pressing a button or turning on or off an automated machine. I'm a plumber fag and i had to bust ass, learn a skilled trade to even get close to $15 an hr at one point.

>>131163889
And when the Republican healthcare bill craters Medicaid, they won't have healthcare either.

With no job and no healthcare they'll just die out.

Problem solved.

>>131163889
I think we better stop bringing poor uneducated people into the country because they are all going to be on permanent multi-generational welfare in another 5-10 years

>>131165105
The article is two years old, and nothing, absolutely fucking nothing has happened yet. There isn't a single restaurant here with pay terminals.
That's because McD knows people wouldn't go for it, but take their business to Burger King or one of the many, many, many fast food restaurants run by immigrants here instead.

>>131165490
>The article is two years old, and nothing, absolutely fucking nothing has happened yet.

Not even one year old, these things don't happen over night but you are naive if you don't think its coming

>>131163889
Good, now when I want to grab a coffee some dumb teenage nigger won't take 5 minutes to punch it in.

>>131163889
Mcdonalds realized running their till is so easy the customers can do it themselves instead of paying some immigrant to press the buttons.

>>131165432
Try 51% of workers

>Jobs with predictable activities in structured environments are the easiest to replicate with robots, a process known as automation. McKinsey estimates that 51% of all job-related activities in the U.S. economy fit this description, largely in manufacturing, food service and retail trade sectors.

>>131164217
So in the future a STEM Major will earn as much as a McDonalds cashier now.

>>131165602
It's not going to happen. For three reasons:
1) People avoid machines like ticket machines.
2) There are more than enough alternatives everywhere.
3) Over 90% of the people here pay cash. Those machines would have to accept cash, and that means they'd be broken into in the night by Turks looking for cash.

It's not coming.

>>131165490

WRONG DOOSHBREATH

They have these in New Mexico at 2 diff stores

I want these everywhere. fuck people

>>131165858
Hey, retard, if you follow the thread, you'll see that I said they won't come here to Germany. What the fuck do I care about New Mexico?

>>131165712
in fact most of their customers have far better cash handling skills than their employees do.

>>131165849
>It's not going to happen.

Yes it is, they are spending $557 million in Germany to make it happen

>>131166036
As I said: The article about the "intention" to spend that money is two years old and nothing has happened in those two years. It's bullshit. It won't work. Managers here know that, and that's why it's not going to happen.

>>131163889
I personally love McDonalds, but they try that shit here i'll simply stop going there. It has nothing to do with morals, just have you ever seen how greasy touchscreens become in a fast food?

>>131164016
Putting the order together can be automated as well. And will be soon enough.

The Beer industry already has fully automated warehouses. Automated picking of product. Automated filling of the trucks. The only thing you need are drivers and some admin folks.

And they are working on automating the drivers as well.

If you are low skilled or no skilled, you are going to die with no job and no healthcare. That's just a fact.

>>131163889
First off
>fast food

Second, this is good. Humans were not made to spend 40 hours a week in a greasy kitchen making "food" for minimal pay, from a multi billion dollar company.

Raise wages in agriculture/field work and all low skill American workers can work in the fields, rather than exploiting migrants. More productive than flipping burgers and better for health and the economy.

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this is known as parallel implementation process, it trials the new system simultaneously with the old in order to make a swift transition whilst also trailing/evaluating and comparisons are made. ie
which is more effective

in this case they would be comparing $$$ ide assume. gotta make some profit where its (((due))) am right :^)

Thanks god I work a job where the system is so convoluted and nearly impossible to fully automate.

>>131166265
You can automate most agricultural work too, especially for harvesting.

>>131166216
>be american
>get shot by niggers
>have to pay for healthcare
>can't afford it because no jobs
ah yes the american dream

>>131166363
the neural networks will get to it soon enough, don't worry.

>>131166149
>two years old and nothing

again, not even one year old

>McDonald's says most of its 1,472 locations in Germany will be redesigned by the end of 2019.

>The Golden Arches said Monday it will be investing €500 million ($557 million) to modernize its restaurants in Germany. About 72 "restaurants of the future" in Germany will start offering custom-made burgers, improved children's play areas and table service on Monday. The novelty for Germans in the restaurants will be a "make your Mac" option, where customers can choose their ingredients by tapping on giant touch-screen kiosks.

>https://www.thestreet.com/story/13628141/1/mcdonald-s-will-give-germans-access-to-high-tech-kiosks.html

Fuck you for making me look for sources

>>131165823
>STEM Major will earn as much as a McDonalds cashier now

its already moving that direction.

>>131163889

https://www.inc.com/betsy-mikel/can-robots-do-the-job-of-designers-nutella-gives-it-a-whirl.html

Decently skilled people won't have jobs either kek.

>>131166554
My colleague is training convoluted neural networks on a high performance computer, and so far they have even trouble distinguishing between cats and dogs.

>>131166554
Well if that happens and the whole job market goes to shit I will finally have an excuse to go innawoods.

>>131166492
You're describing what is happending to the white trash. And nobody cares about them.

The folks with education and skills are fine.

>>131166622
It's already that direction if not worse

>>131163889
>Low skilled people may have no jobs to fill in a few decades.
Nah. If way too many low skilled people happen to be without jobs, they will riot against the machines. The (((men in charge))) will either construct more machines to take out the rioting hordes (population reduced so less unemployment %) or hire more security (more jobs for the low skilled people).

It will work out. Not to mention that nothing is forever.

Also sage.

>>131166634
Management jobs are already being replaced by software right now too

>>131166712
>shitting on the working class
le edgy teenager detected

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>>131164217

But senpai they cant into Calculus
Thats the reason they're working at mcdonalds.

If you cant into Trigonometry then you cant into STEM

Its just that simple.

>>131166834
>implying working class people even give a shit about their health

>>131166653
the average human in a working environment has had at least 15 years of training to teach them differences like these, and is more effective at learning than a machine is

I dont expect it would take less time for these neural networks to learn the same things on their own

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>>131164035
there are solutions

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>>131163889
Good. Time for untermensch to return to strictly subsistence living.
Intelligent and capable people are being given short shrift in terms of societal, cultural and sexual capital afforded to the underclasses with no chance of reprieve since these drone are peers in the electoral system.
Only through the advent of technology can the law of the jungle be returned.
A few kids without after-school jobs is collateral damage - the little pricks should be studying anyway.

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>>131166712
I've never walked into a McDonalds that had all white trash people working there, it's always been blacks or illegals

>>131163889
I like them. Nothing is worse than getting stuck in line behind someone who can't make up their mind on what they want.

>>131166596
I live in a pretty big metropolitan area, and I haven't seen a single pay terminal yet. At least not at McDonalds.

They have them at Ikea, and they have them at Real, which is sort of like a Walmart with more class and higher prices here. There is never a line, because over 90% of the people here pay cash. There always has to be an attendant at the self checkout counters, because people can't deal with machines. They get frustrated, and they need help with operating the terminals.

So the only "saving" you get is have one attendant watch about three of four self checkout counters.

Seeing how these things aren't popular with customers and having a huge reservoir of low skilled people that are made to work after two years of unemployment benefits, I don't thing pay terminals are the future.

>>131166994
>an edgy american aristocrat
>2017
truly the worst time line

>>131167083
Depends were you live, I've seen plenty of young white people working at McDonalds.

Not that McDonalds will give a shit who they replace with machines

>>131167052

Senpai if I saw even a 5 year old point at a cat and say "dog" I would assume xir had a learning disability

>>131163889
The concern over automation is a symptom of the public school system. The low skill job of the future is grunt level coding and IT maintenance. Public schooling being in it's own bubble has no market feedback through which to update it's curriculum so you have inconsistent distribution in curricula that are consistent with market demand. Some schools have a good admin that has pushed the school towards the current market and many others that continue to operate as if they are preparing students to work in the industry of the 1950s and 60s.

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>>131167260
>ancap

>>131164344
No. It has been proven over and over that commies cannot plan an economy. You'll just starve people to death until the population matches the food supply. Neck yourself

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>>131165306
This.
The minimum wage should make people want to strive for better - by design, it should not be a LIVEABLE wage.

>>131167558
>ancap

>>131167232
Did you just assume their species?

>>131167476
>Britbong

Aren't you late for a body cavity search? And diversity training

>>131165849
> People avoid machines

I go for the self service checkout at the Depot and my supermarket every time.
The order is small - build it and they will come.

>>131167167
>le edgy communist who has probably never worked with American working class
>thinking he knows everything

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>>131164561
>>131165849
I agree

Over here we have this thing called Walmart and on either end of the cashier lanes they have automated checkout lanes.

Some people go for them because they only have a few items and its quick...

But in my experience people tend to want a human cashier and are willing to wait for another customer to get checked out in line.

The reason why I prefer actual cashiers is because when I go through the self-checkouts they almost always have some kind of problem. They're either offline, or they get confused, or they dont accurately scan some special deal (marked down bakery goods) - and I have to nag the supervisor to come over and fix the price on it or delete it off the list.

I also like to pay with Cash and its a bitch & 1/2 to pay cash into an automatic machine. Im frequently worried that it'll eat a $10 or $20 and then they wont believe me.

They still havent gotten that figured out yet, where you can just dump a handful of money into a tray and then the machine accurately counts all of it and sorts it. We're still using this antiquated vending machine shit where you have to insert one bill at a time (and often one Coin at a time just so it doesnt get confused).


> inb4 its literally nothing

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>>131167103
Its happening senpai

>>131167598
>Commie

Not an argument

>>131163889
In many places here in London, the McDonalds' get so busy that even if they doubled their staff they couldn't possibly meet speed quotas. The only option would be to build more and more McDonalds establishments to match demand. Instead of doing that they're using these computers to send requests directly to the line.

B-B-BUT HOW WILL LITTLE TIMMY EARN A LIVING WAGE NOW!?

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>>131167836
>Paying by cash
>2017
Anon, you may be a man out of time - they're making it increasingly difficult to pay by cash.
I have accepted my fate and rock the Barclaycard.

Remember when McDonalds said bringing in a living wage would just lead to jobs being replaced by machines?

They just went ahead and replaced the jobs with machines anyway the absolute madmen

>>131163889
They. Are. Shit.
Can't do half as much as the humans there.

>>131163889
I cant wait for this. It always ends up that the once in a blue moon I go to McDonalds I get a worker that doesn't speak 5 words of English and fucks up my order. Sorry that I feel that if you want to live in my country speak the native language.

>>131163889
This is progess. These machines make it way faster and easier for me to get my slop.

>>131167836
This, and I have two more concerns to add:

Cash terminals here have been tampered with by the thousands. Thieves break in at night and manipulate them. Since nothing is stolen, those break ins aren't reported to police. Months later customers notice thousands of Euros missing from their bank accounts. Turns out thieves manipulated the teller machines to send them the card numbers AND authentication code for each transaction. They then print their own blanco bank cards and withdraw money at ATMs in Romania with the authentication codes they stole.

Second, I like to keep a "feel" for the money I earned with hard work. I see and feel it being spent. I'm not sure the same thing would happen to me, but as a friend of mine got used to paying with cards, he was always overdrawing his bank account. He just had no feeling for how much money he had spent.

>>131168174
Wendy's are doing the same
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-27/minimum-wage-massacre-wendys-unleashes-1000-robots-counter-higher-labor-costs

>>131168344
Paying by cash is going extinct anon, it will get harder and harder to do that, Hell you can pay with your phone in most places now

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>>131167862
>>131167103

Automated checkouts is like The Fifth Element and iRobot kinda shit.

Like many years from now after AI actually gets gud and they have all these technical defects sorted out... it can THEN be easily applied to things like retail service. But at that point you could literally put a robot there to greet people too.

Until they get it down Just Right there's no way that it'll be effective.

In some cases it may work just because "there's no other alternative among stores, so you'll just have to deal with it" and thats going to piss people off, but they'll still have to do that.

But anything smaller than Walmart, things like fast food, unless they all start doing it right away its a Self-Nerf because people will start going to other places.

Besides Fast Food... you know... the reason its fast is because MOST people who buy fast food do it through the DRIVE THRU.

And there will ALWAYS be a human server at the drive thru because of a million fucking reasons. And if they aren't actually handing the food to the customer they'll still be employed to watch the camera and press buttons.

One possibility this may lead to is fast food restaurants eliminating their indoors dining areas or making them limited.

However thats just going to spur growth on higher end fast food restaurants starting up that "provide that older aesthetic experience" and all they'll have to do to kill the big chains is provide a single low end item like a cheeseburger - and people will go there because it'll actually taste better.

Automated Servers/Cashiers is a SELF NERF

>>131163889
they are not replacing cashiers, just make it so they dont need to press in orders and handle payments.

Instead the cashiers can focus on bringing/making the food quicker.

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>>131168344
>he was always overdrawing his bank account. He just had no feeling for how much money he had spent.

Jesus Christ they don't teach you how to balance a bank account in Germany?

>>131168453
As I explained: I don't want to. And my countryman won't either.
Paying with cards has been around for over two decades now. And if you watch the people in line in front of you, over 90% still like to pay cash. You take that away from the customer, the customer goes elsewhere.

>>131163889
i like them. i hate shouting orders to a sandnigger or slavmonkey who doesn't speak a lick of German

>>131164035
Serious issue though, we still talk about Trump everyday

>>131168536
No they are being replaced. Cashiers don't make the food

>>131168600
>the customer goes elsewhere.

Not here - if everywhere's like that, where do you go Unabomber guy???

>>131164217
Lol. More like more people unemployed and unemployable with more time to commit crime and cause chaos.

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Day of the hammer when?

>>131168536
Ill second this.
It means better service TBQ honest.

We pay them 15 bucks an hour, and the store puts in automated cashiers. But they'd probably only drop 1 or 2 people.

The rest would still be there to either watch what the customers are doing... bus tables/floors and be more attentive to customers... and help with fixing and bringing the food up.

> and the servers/cashiers would actually need to have Less customer service skills since they wouldnt be talking to the public in the same context as over-the-register

They could be doing this NOW, but it goes to show you how lazy the restaurant chains are. That an increase in minimum wage is what it'll take to force them to adapt.

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>>131168802
Can't wait for the cyberpunk dystopia we will all be living in soon

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>rolled back
Yeah, no

>>131168560
No. Do they teach you?
I think it's a psychological problem. My friend would alway pay with card, never paying attention to how much he'd spend. He would also order tons of shit online. And at the end of the month when he got his account sheets, he'd always be around one to two thousand in the negative. Which is about the average NET one month salary here as they take around 45% in taxes and unemployment, pension and health insurance.

>>131168620
yeah here in the states we have sassy black workers that act like you're putting a boulder on their shoulder everytime you add something to your order.

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>>131163889
That is what happens when idiots with no skills think they should be making a living wage. Go to military, or peace corps after completion you go free to a trade school. I would support that, then you have life and trade skills to make a living wage. NOT JUST CRYING FOR IT!

>>131168787
But it isn't. At least not here.
As in all Western countries, I expect there are customer marketing studies here. Teller machines have been around in a few big businesses for a few years here, and they are just not popular. So I don't expect other businesses to copy that mistake.

Here, we don't have something like a single Walmart per town. Maybe large stores like Ikea are unique, but for all other stores, there's always an alternative the customer will move to if shopping gets uncomfortable in a shop.

>>131165823
>>131166622

Go into a trade

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Absolutely frightened. I need this Walmart job for at least another 25 years.

>>131163889
McDonals is cancer. I got salmonella food poisoning last time I ate there years ago.

Well, I'm a developer of automation solution, so... Yeah... That being said, my work may very well contribute to the end if employment for many of my IT brethren. I do the work because it genuinely fascinates me. I hope we all end up in a good place (as a civilization) - along the lines of the vision portrayed in the Zeitgeist documentaries. But we probably won't.

>>131169361
This is the saddest picture I've seen in a long time

>>131163889
TAKING ER JERBS

>>131164344
yeah and we'll bring in more immigrants while we're at it :^)

>>131163889
Yet liberals want to keep on importing them.

>>131170114
There will be no jobs for anyone, immigrant or not

>>131170189
as if the immigrants will be coming for the jobs

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/pol/ really is as retarded as reddit on this topic. automation will not end employment. people said the same thing about industrialization, and while we don't have things like seamstresses, milkmen or shoemakers anymore, entirely new industries were created to sell factory mass produced items. mcdonalds locations that have these kiosks offer table service now, a job that didn't exist before, they might expand into delivery next. work will never end for the common person, the entire capitalist machine would collapse if it did, and the people in charge have no interest in that.

>>131163889
Sheetz and Wawa do it already and it's great. I'm all for it

>>131165306

Those machines are great to have in Polish McD's. You just push a few buttons and you get your order. No need to deal with an incompetent nig who will ask you 5 times about some simple thing or another.

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>>131169834
I've see it every night for over the last decade.

>>131165823
>Future

>>131166826

White Collar jobs are actually easier to replace than Blue Collar. Just paper shuffling, and ordering people around.

>>131169361
We don't have Walmart anymore as it failed miserably, but in the stores that used to be Walmart, only a few work at the checkouts. The majority of them unpacks crates, stocks shelves, cleans up aisles or tells customers where to find stuff. And those jobs can't be replace by machines or robots.

Also, there are very few yound people as employees. It seems dependability wins over youth.

>>131164217
Stupid hopeful leaf. That's not what that means at all. If they automate snipers, you guys will have nothing except hockey. But yknow what? Hockey is fuckin God-tier, so carry on.

>>131168802
just hire more cops
>>131166867
But they can into police work, and arrest the other people who break the law

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>>131164344
>>131167598

>>131164217
assuming a bunch of rural dumbasses can get into stem

>>131170571
Oh yeah a police state sure sounds good

>>131164191
wut?

"Shares of McDonald's (MCD) are now up nearly 27% this year. That makes it the second-best performer in the Dow, trailing only Boeing (BA) and coming in a hair better than Apple (AAPL, Tech30)."

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/21/investing/mcdonalds-stock/index.html

>>131170882
>guys the true communist utopia will be a free state, not a dictatorship with a secret police force, genoice and concentration camps :)

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>>131163889
pretty cool stuff actually, i loathed talking to these subhumans and now i don't have to anymore

>>131171026
I guess we are screwed either way then huh

>>131163889
>How do you feel about automation like this
replacing part time leeches that only works "enough" to stay on welfare
who gives a fuck?

Maccy D's in my town is state of the art
while in ur motor u can pull up to a wee box and shout ur order into a dinky box
then u drive round and pull up to a window and a poo in loo hands over ur order
the future is here lads

Thank fucking god these are coming out, Niggers are the worst checkout people.

"Uhhh im sorry sir what did you say"
"You wanted that large right"
"Sorry sir I cant break a $20"

>>131163889
>How do you feel about automation like this /pol/? Low skilled people may have no jobs to fill in a few decades.
Cashiers are a labor cost

Cash machines are a capital expense plus labor to maintain the machines

The company only saves money because of MACRS depreciation.

>>131171337
most supermarket deli's in america are like this
they have kiosk that you order from and then they place your order in a fridge near check out.

>>131171450
>Cash machines are a capital expense plus labor to maintain the machines

I'm sure they would recover those costs pretty quickly actually

every walmart in america has more self check out than cashiers

>>131163889
>Natural Selection at work.
This will cause the unnecessary unskilled subhumans to be pushed out of the workplace to starve and so encourage the remaining plebs to strongly encourage their offspring toward STEM careers... instead of something a machine can already do with ease.
Applaud this... or perish.

>>131171738
> unskilled subhumans to be pushed out of the workplace to starve and so encourage the remaining plebs to strongly encourage their offspring toward STEM careers.

They would riot, crime would shoot up, people aren't going to just sit back and starve

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>>131165903
What if raising the minimum wage meant more of these machines?

>>131171876
>Sit and die?
They already do.
Look at Africa.
Why do you imagine the better white folks ship emergency food supplies to them?

>>131172006
There is a shitload of crime and civil unrest in africa incase you hadn't noticed

>>131171876
Plus riots are a great excuse to cull the more energetic specimens among the unnecessary section of the herd.
Problem?

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Would anyone ITT rather humans do work a machine could do cheaper and better? Should we outlaw digital calculators to create millions of jobs in basic addition and multiplication? How rational/desirable is a society in which make-work is the only solution to economic disaster?

>>131168781
yes they do dumbass, cashiers fills up sodas, makes the ice creams etc.

these machines dont do that for them.

>>131172195
>Crime
Thus?
More opportunities to cull the energetic criminal element within the herd.
Problem?

>>131172310
>Yet.

>>131163889
Tenets of a viable 21st century conservatism

1. The fundamental assumptions of Western civilization are valid.

2. Peaceful social being is preferable to isolation and to war. In consequence, it justly and rightly demands some sacrifice of individual impulse and idiosyncrasy.

3. Hierarchies of competence are desirable and should be promoted.

4. Borders are reasonable. Likewise, limits on immigration are reasonable. Furthermore, it should not be assumed that citizens of societies that have not evolved functional individual-rights predicated polities will hold values in keeping with such polities.
5. People should be paid so that they are able and willing to perform socially useful and desirable duties.

6. Citizens have the inalienable right to benefit from the result of their own honest labor.

7. It is more noble to teach young people about responsibilities than about rights.

8. It is better to do what everyone has always done, unless you have some extraordinarily valid reason to do otherwise.

9. Radical change should be viewed with suspicion, particularly in a time of radical change.

10. The government, local and distal, should leave people to their own devices as much as possible.

11. Intact heterosexual two-parent families constitute the necessary bedrock for a stable polity.

12. We should judge our political system in comparison to other actual political systems and not to hypothetical utopias.

>>131172216
>Would anyone ITT rather humans do work a machine could do cheaper and better? Should we outlaw digital calculators to create millions of jobs in basic addition and multiplication? How rational/desirable is a society in which make-work is the only solution to economic disaster?

With the current bunch of retards running the show alternative is mass genocide

because who wants to deal with starving, rioting, jobless serfs by the billions

>>131172383
True sole tenet of 21st century conservatism... capital gain.
You're welcome.

>>131172216
I'm not arguing against or for, but using calculators as an example argument is flawed because calculators are a supplementary tool rather than a job.

>>131172426
if theres billions of them they can form their own economy using outer technology. as long as we have free markets we are safe

>>131172383
>We should judge our political system in comparison to other actual political systems and not to hypothetical utopias.
This idea, if followed, would drastically change the world for the better.

>>131172426
>who would possibly want billions or hostile starving tards being a problem in need of a solution?
Those of us who want to reduce the population starting with the hostile and unnecessary specimens among the herd?
You're welcome.

>>131172612
In world without calculators it is not conceivable that a persons only job might be to fill the role of a calculator? Jobs aren't some limited, predefined and ideal entity, bigger jobs can be broken down by a division of labour. Your pint is semantic

>>131167753
Fuck you, you absolute cunt

>>131172612
Pssst! There used be folks who did nothing else but do calculations for a job..... they were called computers.
There are none around in this century.
You're welcome.

>>131163889
I never use them. Disgusting children touch them with their unwashed fingers. Then people touch them to order their food and eat it with their hands without washing them.
That goes for all touch screens.
If there's no way around it, use a knuckle instead of a fingertip.

>>131170287
Tell that to the people in Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and West Virginia.

The number 1 occupation for men in the United States now is driver. The number 1 occupation for women now in the United States is administrative assistant.

75 million people in the United States are now on Medicaid because they are underemployed in shit service sector jobs that offer no benefits. And even those jobs are being automated as rapidly as possible.

Sounds like you need to get out in the real world and take a look around at what is going on. The working class is just about done. Hanging on by a thread.

>>131172983
>Never use them... present simple solution.
Doh.

>>131163889

Maybe with automation mcdonalds will stop shilling for mass immigration.

>>131173055
Luckily, the clever white people are inventing driverless vehicles.
Your problem of unnecessary humans in your backward state is nearer a solution every day...

>>131163889
who do you think made those machines you mongoloid

>>131166759
this clever jews.

>>131163889
The staff asked for it by thinking their job was worth $10/hr

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>>131163889
2017...

Haven't been to a McNaseaous, Burger Queef, or Jack in the Crack in over 10 years. Food is overpriced shit that can barely qualify as food.

>>131172983
So you're saying you never wash your hands before eating? Typical burger..

>>131173216
The machine, by costing 50c/hr including maintenance kinda settled that argument, didn't it?

>>131163889

Good. I already see too many niggers during the day.

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>>131172817
>who would possibly want billions or hostile starving tards being a problem in need of a solution?

Holy shit are you a fucking genuine retard that is already the case today

Next step is turning whats left of west into complete 3rd world shithole

>>131173384
Building your future in the gutter, 20 machines a day at a time, sonny!
Look forward to your obsolescence, flesh-unit.

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>>131173055
finally someone gets it

the US jobs is literally poop on a stick

even jobs like finance and lawyers and bullshit is literally bullshit that doesnt produce anything physical.....

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>>131163889
Good, It's like you want to talk to human garbage.

>>131163889
good, now they can't fuck my order up

>>131173536
...at least you have your hairstyling qualifications to fall back on, right sonny?

>>131173169
I don't disagree with that. With no jobs, no healthcare, addicted to drugs, and no future, the working class will eventually just die out.

But we'll need more police in the short term while that plays itself out.

>>131163889
OY VEY ITS ANOTHER 9/11

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>>131163889
We have these in Argieland

They are fucking pointless.
Lines still form because old people are too retarded to use them and take too long. They are still hiring employees only now they are paid to guide people on how to use the machines rather than on operating the register.

There is an upside though... I noticed at my local McDonald's all the uggos have been replaced with pretty girls, which makes sense since offering advice on how to use a touchscreen is easier than operating a register 24/7 so they can afford the luxury of hiring eye candy.

Anyone notice this?

>>131173688
Police?
You realize we're working on unmanned systems to do part of that job, right?
>How hard can it be to automatically shoot a nog?

>>131173817
>Old people?
In a few years, the problem solves itself...

>>131163889
I usually go to McDonalds for coffee before work and I use these machines. Much quicker and efficient than the foreign workers.

>>131172983
How is that worse than touching your bills to pay?

At least the touchscreen is cleaned every now and then. Your pound bills are NEVER cleaned and have cocaine traces and bacteria from Jamal's asshole in them.

Just wash your hands mongoloid.

>>131173956
After a while, allah will struggle to be akbhar...
Wise move!

>>131163889
Automation has been going on for centuries.Stop with this meme

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>>131163889
>Literally calling them Big Mac ATMs
>The spurdo meme with the burger bank came true

>>131174038
>pound bills
You pound Bill's ... what exactly?

FYI we have pound COINS... and have had for over 20 yrs?

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>>131173817
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M

>>131168186

The "humans" that are there can't even remember to give you a straw when you order a drink. Literally could be replaced by a raspberry pi

>>131174349
Pound Sterling banknotes, whatever you call them, you get the idea.

All the banknotes you handle in your day to day are way more dirty and bacteria-filled than a touchscreen could ever be.
You should always wash your hands before eating, your point is moot.

>>131174038
Pound bill? This isn't 1990. We have this thing called contactless payment, it's not hard to use.

>>131173305
t. flag

>>131173956
Me too but the machines are way slower at the one I go to because the guy who works there knows what I want before I order. Sometimes I get a free upsize too.

>>131163889
If capitalism replaces workers with robots, workers will replace capitalism with communism

>>131174563
>Me too but the machines are way slower at the one I go to because the guy who works there knows what I want before I order.

There is the benefit of using workers rather than machines, the personal touch. Although it will become a luxury used by a few smaller more expensive stores while the majority move to automation

>>131174659
>workers will replace capitalism with communism

Or same thing will happen to workers as happened to horses after cars caused their population to peak in 1916.

Soylent green.

>>131174659
Exactly, lots of people angry at losing jobs while companies make profit is a recipe for socialism to rise

>>131174563
>Pound bill? This isn't 1990. We have this thing called contactless payment, it's not hard to use.
Well these machines are meant to make people use these even more since they don't take cash.

>>131163889
Good. (((McDonalds))) should be replaced with home-cooked meals. The entire retail industry should be replaced with mandatory service in a militia.

>>131166826
Why don't they just find better employers instead of this automation bullshit?Employers are the biggest jerkoffs on the planet, they hire retards and niggers but refuse to hire white people or people with a brain.

>>131168264
is it usually a mexican or a sandnigger?

>>131163889
Fucking finally, I hate dealing with people

>>131172216

Ask china

>>131166994
Sir I am a working class guy only bring in 18/h but yet still that is a bigger income than any Mc Donalds employee. Also I have amazing benifits like $800 for dental. , 80% off prescriptions, an a whole lot more. I care about my health yet I work my ass off and hate my life.

>>131164776
>Management jobs are in the early stages of being affected. Immigration wont have much to do with it, they might just be some of the first to lose jobs but it will happen to a lot of people in time

Thank god too. There is nothing worse than a shitty manager.

>>131175109
Mr. Shekelstein the libertarian ancap (((employer))) must have his summer condo paid for by the toil of desperate wageslaves.

>>131163889
We've had them at our McDonalds for a year or so. I still prefer to go directly to the cashier. It's actually faster if I know what I want, and you can pay in cash which you still can't do with kiosks.

>>131171738
>This will cause the unnecessary unskilled subhumans to be pushed out of the workplace to starve and so encourage the remaining plebs to strongly encourage their offspring toward STEM careers

Only 30% or so of population has the ability to learn coding.
And once unemployment reaches 40-50% people will vote for party banning automation and declaring coders and IT developers "enemy of the people".

>>131175439
Crap I forgot to switch back to NazBol for that post, close enough I guess. I'll call it "Stalinism"

>>131175109
white people cost money
slaves don't

>>131163889
There are still people working behind the counter. Replacing line cooks is a ways off from what I understand.

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>>131170287
>people said the same thing about industrialization,
the last 100 or 200 years have seen a lot more change and quicker change than the rest of history, saying industrilisation worked out isn't a great yardstick for automation and all the stuff happening in technology right now. Population alone is greatly different

>>131163889
This is a scheme by the (((globalists))) to make more people dependent on, and thereby a slave to, the government.

>>131163889
>Negroids and Mexicants decided America should pay then 15 an hour minimum to screw up my order
>Mcdonalds responds with a literal "LOL no."
Micky D's saving the economy

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>people in the soylent war of mark cuck whos cousin was in sandy hook saying that theres still plenty of jobs to go around

>>131175655
he forgot to add the fact that women entered the work force and that higher skilled work is not possible for the low iq fragment of the world

which is a lot of people

sooner or later it becomes impossible for people to have jobs

these people are desperately holding onto their capitalism

>>131163889
>automation

it's not automation
it's more technology in our surrounding, people can now use the counter themselves instead of a middle-man

there is no robot talking with you
it's like self-service: Self, Not Auto.

>>131165823
It's a trick statement. With inflation, STEM majors will make more than the cashier, but will have the same, if not lower, purchasing power.

>>131174732
The worst thing about when they put the machines into the branch I use is that they reduced seating space and hid half the workers behind a little wall (where there used to be windows so there's less light too) and now the staff just dick around there. Unless the 3 managers are in of course, who are dicks who NEVER serve you even when they are doing literally nothing other than wandering around.

>>131174980
The ones here do I think but it's more the screens that are disgusting. And there are tablets on all the tables too, which must be totally coated in child germs.

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>machines do work
>machines pay taxes
>humans reap benefits by having far more leisure time and universal basic income

not seeing any downside tbqh famalam, also check 'em

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>>131176392
it should be a negative income tax for the poor jobless

negative income tax . 15,000$ for jobless, basic income 2000$ for everyone

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>>131176392
the only problem is all the people against welfare they dont understand the necessity

thats the only thing preventing it

because they still lucky enough to have a job so they think everyone can be the same

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>>131165306
I go to McDonald's more than I should ( not fat fuck FYI) and they always fuck up my order somehow. They got those kiosks and I've gotten the exact right order every time so far. And you don't have to deal with some flunkie who acts like they're in detention.

>>131163889
>tfw ywn make $15 an hour pressing buttons to make fat people even fatter

Feels bad man

>>131176392
>>machines do work
>machines pay taxes
>humans reap benefits by having far more leisure time and universal basic income

That is the ideal scenario but probably wont happen

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>>131176878
more like 7.25$

>>131163889

People must also realize middle management and a lot of skilled jobs are ALSO in the line of fire of automation. It's actually easier to replace a lawyer and a consulting doctor (non surgeon, non infirmary) than it is to replace a top notch welder.

>>131176392

Per chance, do you have brown skin?

If so, that would explain your post greatly.

>>131176806
>They got those kiosks and I've gotten the exact right order every time so far. And you don't have to deal with some flunkie who acts like they're in detention.
Kiosks don't spit in your food like niggers do either.
I hate the fact that never give me any or enough condiments. Or a spoon, etc. I usually pull up and dig through bag like a racoon to make sure.

>>131170355
is the average worker there a trump supporter?

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Finally.

>>131163889
Pay them to stay on birth control. Bonuses for vasectomies/tide tubes ... they'll probably fuck that up too.

>>131164217
Yeah cause your IQ is going to jump 30 points after being fired from McDonalds.

>replace 1 minimum wage retard with

>3 computer screens that black people will smash, and 1 minimum wage retard

PERFECT PLAN

>>131173582
IDK how burger king stays in business. Their burgers suck.

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>>131170355
Whats up with that one guys huge fucking pants

>>131176163
Yeah we have those tablets for kids... it's disgusting, I'd never let my kids touch those greasy dirty tablets... if I had kids that is.

>>131167562
Then why should they work at all if they can't pay their bills? Why do I have to subsidize these people who work 10-12 hours a day? Why can't the corporation pay more? Why?

>>131163889
I don't eat at McDonald's anyway since I'm not a fatfuck, so I don't give a shit.

>>131163889
Good. Then we can start throwing the uneducated, lower class-peasants into the Meat-Grinder

>>131165490
Please don't be so out of touch.
We have them in some locations here in Austria, thus it's very likely you guys have them too. It's not everywhere as of yet though.

>>131166712
> The folks with education and skills are fine.

that's why degrees are hyper inflated and you're exchanging 20,000+ in debt for a piece of paper that will only really tell people that you've gotten the bare minimum of education in an over saturated field?

then i guess those educated folks will have to get another degree and keep rinsing and repeating to make sure they're always qualified for their field better than their competition?

well stick my ass on a farm and call me toby, i'd rather just make a lot of money by working hard than take out a bunch of loans for a meme degree.

>>131163889
>How do you feel about automation like this /pol/?
I love it. I don't like talking with people. The less social interaction with random people the better.

>>131163889
Capitalism by design will ensure the use of automation will balance itself out.

>>131164344
Mass automation is the only solution to socialism.

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Oh no! So many baristas lost their job to this hellish machine.
BAN

I think automation can only be a good thing for everybody, in the long term

It sucks if your job is being replaced by a robot, and you have to find a new one yes, but as more and more things get automated, the cost of these services should be dropping right? They don't have to pay employees so McDonald's food will be cheaper.

Now you might say that McDonald's will just cut employees but keep the same price, and pocket the extra profit, but if Burger King then implemented the robots, and they cut their prices to undercut McDonald's, McDonald's will be forced to cut prices as well

The end result of mass automation should be a reduction in the cost of living all around right?

but what about the poor unskilled workers with no jobs that can't be done better by a robot? I think once the cost of living is low enough, you'll see rich people start paying unskilled people just to not make a mess like a dirty homeless person

They'll pay them just to be out of the way and not cause trouble. Unskilled people will get their television and their low cost apartment and their McDonald's coupons and be happy, and everybody with something to offer society will still have a normal job

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>>131163889
the problem is not automation, or capitalism. The problem is with the average level of human intelligence. Blacks are a perfect example of this, prior to the 60s, labor participation rate for blacks were on par with whites, the reason why this was is because the economy provided a ton of options for individuals with an 85 IQ. This is also the reason why the nuclear black family structure was much better back then too, the father could actually provide a stable home for his family.

Fast forward to the present, and now huge chunks of the black community are plagued with dysfunction and one of the major reasons for that is that we have an economy that provides little to no options for an individual with an 85 IQ, but, however, rewards the shit out of individuals with an IQ of 120+. This same observation is starting to seen occurring to whites. At some point we're going to have to start coming up with solutions on how to raise the standard IQ of all races in America or we're going to have a big balance problem on our hands.

>>131163889
They replaced 3 human registers with 2 of these and 1 human register.

Probably 80% of people use the one human register.

>>131183234

> Unskilled people will get their television and their low cost apartment and their McDonald's coupons and be happy
I am doubtful this will make people happy. You can argue this is already starting to happen in some places where factories have closed and now everyone left is on the government dole. People have cheap shitty housing that's been lived in for generations, government assisted food and health care, but they are living in misery, debilitating poverty, broken families, drug addiction, teenage pregnancy, and declining lifespans. And it keeps getting worse and worse.

People need more than their basic material needs met to be happy. That's why government welfare can't fix broken communities. Individuals need some feeling that they are contributing meaningfully to the community they belong to and are valued in some way, or else alienation sets in.

>>131182811
explain

>>131164128
and you poor fucks keep cheering the managers with the golden parachutes.

>>131163889
>it's the responsibility of McDonald's(tm) to support unskilled laborers

haha

>>131163889
I'm honestly surprised anarchist types don't just go into mcdonalds and smash these things

>>131164344
>>131164457
Yeah, but first we need to stop the immigrant meme, and the (((left))) of our days has immigration as it foremost goal.I'm 99% sure we're fucked.

>>131163889
>cashiers being supplemented by basic machines shouldn't happen
this is like arguing for full service gas stations and attendants
>inb4 someone posts an idiot setting their car on fire at a gas station

>>131163889
its the new natural selection

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>>131163889

Humanity being phased out for Machines. All part of the Trans-Humanist & "Globalist Endgame" plan.

Eventually large portions of the populations would be eliminated(Eugenics and/or Bioweapons) because they would no longer be needed.

Archives: http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

>>131165490
>absolutely fucking nothing has happened

Over the past two years I have gone from seeing self checkouts once in a while, to almost every major store having one. It's happening.

>>131163889
This is the problem with welfare. Before, if the low skill people couldn't find money for food they either died or worked to become higher skilled workers. Now all they have to do is sit on their lazy asses and whine they can't find a job and have no money and are going to starve (sent from my iPhone 7) and the government will shovel money from productive citizens checks into the their pockets.

I commend automation. Unskilled niggers can either go out and acquire skills or they can fuck off.

Nobody in this industry deserves $15 an hour.

Unfortunately this will probably mean more niggers on gov assistance. Always a catch I suppose.

>Want a hamburger with no pickles
>Tell cashier I want a hamburger with no pickles
>Cashier puts in to machine a hamburger with no pickles
>Give my debit card to cashier
>Cashier swipes my debit card in to the machine
>Computer screen in kitchen tells cook to make on hamburger no pick;es
>Cook makes hamburger, places it on tray, places the tray on the counter and calls out my order number
Can you spot the easily eliminated middle man?

>>131163889
If you have a problem with this, then stop eating there. This is why I have no sympathy for you faggots. You bitch about how machines are going to put people out of work, but then keep giving your money (hand over fist) to companies that are automating.

>>131164776
>Management jobs are in the early stages of being affected.

Yeah that's a good thing. You ever worked a government job? You got managers for managers. You have someone who literally manages someone who manages someone who manages 3 people.

What do these people (women/blacks/LGBT) do all day? Sit at their desks and play games, text, eat.

That's what they do.

Management is a diversity position.

Management does not have deadlines.
Management does not produce a good or service.
Management does not keep a company running.

Their one job is to fire someone who isn't doing their job, and most of the time, management will not fire someone who isn't doing their job because management isn't doing THEIR job either.

I can never work at a government or corporate job again in my life. I simply cannot stand people who don't do work, then have to PRETEND they care about the work being done by OTHER people.

Oops, my higher ups just set a deadline, better go pretend to be anxious about the deadline to the people who ACTUALLY do the work. Then after that I'll go sit back down at my desk, send a few texts, then head out to lunch. Wew, being a manager isn't easy! hehe! I'm not the one who has to complete work by the deadline, but hey deadlines sure are stressful!

FUCKING KILL YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF HUMAN WASTE.

>>131183836
I disagree, there is still relatively the same amount of unskilled work if not more so. The problem is that our labor participation rate is higher than ever.

>A good 1/3 of the workforce is women
>People above the age of 60 still actively participate
>Immigration and outsourcing has created a ghost labor pool for companies

The larger problem is that wages have depressed to reflect the ideal of everyone being a wage earner rather than mostly men between 18-50 in a local area.

I honestly see for unskilled labor this balancing out because of the "New Yorkification" of the west. Tons of package deliverers, petty work, security, etc.

>I'm willing to pay higher rent for a doorman to receive my laundry, groceries, Amazon nonsense, etc
>So, more appartment complexes higher doorman because of all these places doing delivery

>>131163889
>automation
all they did was literally make you the fucking cashier and input your own order instead.
what are they gonna do next, fire the cooks and make you cook the burger yourself?

>>131166216
This. Reminder that in most Japanese chains the only thing that isn't fully automated yet is the food prep.

>>131185368
>A good 1/3 of the workforce is women

Sorry to burst your bubble but women are a majority. 52%.

What do they do? Management.

What is management? A diversity hire who does not do actual work and is not expected to.

>>131170355
>>131170355
get a better job you fucking loser, stop giving your time to walmart. consider killing yourself instead.

>>131185635
Jesus Christ how horrifying.

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>>131163889
feels fine because robots couldn't replace my particular minimum wage job.

>all this automation
literally eugenics AND dysgenics at the same time

this won't last

>>131164128
So my two options are:

Work for shittier and shittier pay so I can keep my job

or

Lose my job because I demand a decent wage.

Great system there folks.

>>131183836
actually the problem with blacks is that our government started paying black single mothers more than what a black guy could make on his own.

women see this as an easy choice:
>Care about Jamal, do what Jamal wants, rely on Jamal for a roof over your head and food in your stomach, aka play life by Jamal's rules
or
>Have sex with anyone you want, have as many babies as you can, get paid for it, and all you have to do is vote democrat, live by your own rules

Gee tough choice for black women. Black men? They don't really have a say in the matter. They're unwanted in their own households. Single mothers get more money from welfare than two-parent families or even homes with an adult male living in them. As a mother, you can get more money by kicking the father of your children out of your home.

>>131186901
>Work for shittier and shittier pay so I can keep my job
Yeah, if you don't have skills to offer an employer, then you're at the mercy of your employer, if you can even get one.

>Lose my job because I demand a decent wage.
Yeah. Someone will always be willing to do your job at the price you're getting. There are millions on unemployment. There are millions of illegal workers in our country. And a computer wouldn't mind doing what you're doing.

Probably do a better job than you do anyway. lol

>>131185393
>make you cook the burger yourself?

Nah they will have machines to do that soon too

>>131164102
And they can write music too

>>131173289
I'm sorry, can you pull forward while we make your small fries?

To put it simply. Automation is inevitable.
Workers have been replaced by machines through history. And it will continue. And continue. And continue.

You don't have a birth right for a job. Nobody is responsible to provide you with work. You may sell your time to someone willing to pay you for for your service. And you must leave once they don't need you.

>>131163889
As a software engineer I say that low skill jobs should replaced by machines. The more of life we can automate the better, people losing jobs is just a side affect.

I'd rather have a job done well than by a human.

>>131164016
Good thing im working as a programmer, I hope machines are never tought to programm eachother

>>131194622
Doesn't google have AI that constantly optimises algorithms?

>>131194755
Good thing I draw as a hobby, I hope machines are never tought to make art

>>131194829
desu programming is still safe for like 100 years,

I recommend this website to everyone:
https://willrobotstakemyjob.com/

>>131163889
Seems to me we don't need a immigrant working class afterall.

Reduce in birthrates compliments automation.

>>131163889
Nonwhites will be made extinct by machines, that's why they're so desperate to get power before they become outdated.

>>131198256
Non-whites are the ones designing the machines, ever heard of east-asians? Japanese, Chinese etc

>>131194622
I think you're safe bro, I don't think even machines would be up to working such a boring and mundane job