Brit/pol/ - Penny Crayon edition

>>131160921

too forced....you have to be MUCH more organic

>id give you a tip but im not gay.

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never forgetti

has anyone actually held a debate with a member of antifa?

>>131161337
i am a member of antifa

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>>131161337
Sadly not.

>>131161337
I tried once

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>Lib Dems lost only 9% of their leave voters

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>>131161355
Kys

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Despite this being an anonymous board that prides itself on this fact - there are people amongst us who believe themselves to be particularly special and above all others here. They believe that their posts and opinions are more highly valued and more important than the contributions of others - these people are known as tripfags.

They are a rotten pustulent cancer that has destroyed this board - along with their allies: The Karenposters and the miscellaneous food item posters - they have worked tirelessly to derail all forms of rational discussion in favour of their rampant egomania. Their almost unquenchable narcissism has derailed countless discussion and caused a great rift between the formerly united posters of Brit/pol/.
The Tripcunt is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a narcissist, egomaniac, arsehole, attention seeker, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But tell people to filter his tripcode and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”
You can stop tripfags by simply not responding to them ever. You can hide and filter tripcodes by going to the [SETTINGS] link at the bottom of the page and adding their tripcode to the FILTER option. BE SURE TO HIDE POST STUBS.

This will improve your experience here tenfold - as it has done mine.
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I'm so lonely

>>131160921
>plates of chips
>shows fries
bru...

>corbyn wants to pay 16 year olds £10 an hour

What a fucking stupid idea

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Give me some (You)s

>>131161337
They think in slogans and speak in bullets.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijavS0R3Wj8

>BoJo buffonery costs lives.

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>>131161450
tfw not on there

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>>131161596
He's a stupid man.

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>>131161426

It isn't.

Who do you think decides who gets physically removed?

Why can you not articulate an argument without using greentext?

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Can't wait for those funny comedians on channel 4 to do cocky accents and strawmen from edl today XDDdd

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>>131161652
>Tfw the post was made for you

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it would be nice if the (mainstream media) could be a bit more patriotic

>>131161604
>>131161450
today is british armed forces day and just by coincidence the end of ramadan. will there be a happening?

>>131161337

They don't debate, they exist to violently enforce communism without thought or any cognitive overhead at all.

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>>131161749
And also Glastonbury is happening.

>>131160921
jesus no wonder the UK is gay.

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>>131161604
Cause I'm nice

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>Jeremy Corbyn visits Glastonbury to suck up remaining youth vote

Fuck me. Does this man get any more pathetic?

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>>131161721
HAHAHA idslam isn'd a thread guyz those muslamic ray guns am i righd?? :DDD

>>131161843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw

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>>131161749
>>131161785

So I saw posters saying people should take part in ramadan to lose weight

>>131161894
It's clever though, why bother chasing traditional votes when you can make stupid promises and do retarded publicity stunts to get young people off their arses for once?

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>>131161748
Ov Vey is like anudda shoah you're being a natzee member the 6 gorrilon Jo Cox's

>>131162128
>stuffing yourself at midnight will help you lose weight

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>>131161785
if nothing happens i will become a tripfag

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>>131161894

>>131161534
don't tweet when you get back from a heavy sesh lads

>>131161596
Nope.

>16 year olds have more disposable income

>spend more money

>boost the economy

duh

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>>131162283
don't do it lad, nothing is worth the embarrassment

>>131162337
wtf i love the minimum wage now, raise it to £100 an hour

>>131161749
NO, THERE WILL NOT.

YOU FUCKING LOSERS, YOU REALLY THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ATTACK?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

ATTACKS ARE RARE; ESPECIALLY ON SO CALLED "TARGET DATES"

STAY MAD

just saw an ftm transgender at the local shop lads

Pretty shaken up, being a repressed mtf. I get extremely uncomfortable around anyone who is lgbt.

I need to be around straight cis people or I get panicky

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>>131162283

>>131162337
your economically ignorant argument has won me over let's just raise it to £1000 /hr

>>131162283
>Daily Star

>ISIS warning

literally nothing will happen

>>131162484
Why not just auto-filter all trips?

Mistress magpie t.b.h.

>>131162283

>terror attacks across the West to "liquify blood"

Oh no! And I wanted my blood solid! ISIS can't get away with this!

>>131161337
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAIM7BXCAn0

Yeah.... a 'debate'

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>>131161785
oh god please glasto happening!!!! so many corbyn shitstains there high as shit on drugs. Imagine their last moments.
>high on ket
>singing along to Coldplay
>Holding up a #HugAMuslim sign while getting back pats from all the other retards
>truck of peace slams through crowd with alluh snackbar blasting from it's speakers
>dying on the floor in a pool of blood with fellow corbychevs
>#NOTALLMUSLIMS the cunt's sign said as he took his lasts breaths

>>131162582
>reminder that she will piss on you for £120 quid

Imagine how much cladding you could get for that

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Hi, can you please ask your Liberal Democrat party to stop affiliating with folks actively planting racism and genocide in South Africa.

Cheers.

http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2017/04/04/lets-talk-about-the-british-pr-firm-hired-by-the-guptas-to-create-racial-tension-in-sa/

>>131161749
>>131161875
>>131161981

>i feels good now, i'm a tripfag

Thanks lad

Tripfags are fucking faggots

>>131162520
>>131162446
Don't be foolish.

Raising the minimum wage to £10 an hour would come out of company profits, which have been going up and up.

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So Corbyn and Abbot sponsered a motion to disestablish the Church of England

Antidisestablishmentarianism must prevail

>>131162629
It's a shit translation from the arabic, which likely meant 'make blood flow in the west.'

The word 'liquify' probably means the same thing.

Most non-western languages are far more simplistic than western ones, and this can lead to translation errors because the savages use the same word to refer to dozens of concepts that westerners have unique words or phrases for.

>>131162815
yes we should repurpose all business profits to other means

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>>131161749

i think habbenings is highly likely

if doubles habbingings will be had

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>>131162815
Get out of here moron. To enter this board you need at least 3 brain cells.

>>131162747
tell me more anon

>>131162929
Not an argument

>>131162894
We should repurpose more business profits.

>>131161721
What's happening on Channel 4 today?

>>131162815
>would come out of company profits

no it would not. Taxes would be raised which companies would find ways to evade, and then it would come either out of the public pocket or be taken on as debt. This would only further our rapid decline into debt ridden shithole, we will be Greece tier in 15 years if this thinking prevails

Economics 101

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>>131162815
No, they'd come out of the employer surplus, and would inevitably force some businesses towards automation, redundancies, or liquidation. Overall, it'd generate a deadweight loss that neither the businesses or employers would get.

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>>131162720

please this has to habben

>>131162337
But have no skills and aren't worth £10 an hour to any employer

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>>131163028
Yes because you know why company profits are increasing? Because you are continually using their services which only they provide. If you hate that then fuck off to the countryside and live a nomadic lifestyle.

>>131163043
Nonsense, the companies would pay the taxes.

If you crack down on tax avoiders the rest will learn their lesson soon enough.

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>>131162629
solid aryan blood would be a rare treat

>>131163043
Just make a a law saying "all companies must pay us so and so millions of pounds"

>>131163131
>fuck off to the countryside and live a nomadic lifestyle
That'd literally be my dream. Get away from everyone and everything. Would be perfect

>>131163060
Because the minimum wage has lead to an increase in unemployment...

o wait

>>131163123
So what? The employer has no choice

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>>131162962
I sent a tweet just now. She's a LibDem Palry candidate, oops.

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>>131163206
>Denial

is there going to be some habbening in london today tommy robinson is there i think

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trying out a few things desu

>>131163131
What a silly argument.

>Don't eat, because food is now a commodity.

Fuck off lad. Ideally food would just be distributed fairly but I'm forced to buy it you nonce.

>>131163269
give me a rundown

bell pottinger were hired to support Zuma? I know Zuma's an idiot, what exactly has happened?

>>131163289
No source.

Binned.

>>131163246
They still have the choice to sack their workers if they deem the money more valuable than the labour a worker can provide.

>>131163036
Nothing, but expect the leftist comedians to do there strawman routine of edl to show how dumb and raycist right wingers are.

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>>131163158
I hear our Blood Refinery expedition team to Antarctica finally struck ARYAN BLOOD - turns out the Nazis were hiding under the ice and away from us.

They're installing the giant Henry Hoover over the breach now - hope to be sucking them out of their little nest by the end of the day.

>>131163354
Everything you need to know, hope you lynch this bitch.

http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2017/04/04/lets-talk-about-the-british-pr-firm-hired-by-the-guptas-to-create-racial-tension-in-sa/

>>131163326
>I'm forced to buy it
No you're not you thick wad of shit. You can easily grow it like your forebearers did. The reason why you don't? You are a lazy fucker and you like the convenience of going to the supermarket and having someone else have to do all the work for you.

>>131163367
Not if the government punishes them for doing so

>>131163326

20 stone mammoth nigger, gibmidat food

>eats 5 times more than you
>fair.

shut up you faggot

>>131163157
>crack down on tax avoiders

have fun with your millions of pounds in prosecution fees

>the companies would pay the taxes

or just move their legal hubs to ireland or luxembourg like they are doing right now. Nobody pays their fucking taxes kid unless they're an idiot.

>>131163188
Right yeah that will work why didn't I think of that

>>131163269
just move here
get a tourist visa and just stay once it's finished
your never get checked as the police will think your either english or dutch
or even try claiming asylum like that guy in canada successfully did

>>131163446
How would I grow my own food?

By buying seeds? By buying livestock? By buying land? By buying fertiliser? By buying a house in the countryside?

Everything is a commodity these days. Some fat cat profits off of everything.

>>131163448
Oh, so the Government has the right to tell people how to spend their money now?

Are you trying to cause capital flight?

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>>131162337

>16 year olds have more disposable income
Everything goes up in price to match

>spend more money
Worth just the same as before due to inflation, combined with reduction in jobs, will probably make things worse

>boost the economy
By bringing automation and technology into viability due to increased costs of manual labour and result in job losses at the lower end, the only boost would be to productivity and competitiveness abroad - the 16 years old will lose out

We have one of the lowest youth unemployment rates in Europe for a reason.

>>131162747
I'm so fucking mad about what's happening to the whites in South Africa, and the rage has been high since reading what we did (or didn't do) in Rhodesia.

>>131163559
And they always have, it's just that now things are cheaper than ever due to economies of scale and the division of labour

>>131163246
Except not employing them

>>131163536
>Prosecuting them

Just requisition their businesses and sell them to someone else who is willing to toe the line.

>Nobody pays their fucking taxes kid

I do because I'm not scum.

>>131163559
You socialist rats really are a lazy bunch aren't you? Want everything for free and give nothing in return.
Seeds are easy as fuck to harvest from plants.
Livestock can be trapped from the wild.
Houses can be easily built.
But oh no. The 'fatcat' Farmers who are selling their land for £20,000 for a few acres are the problem.

>>131163448
Thanks Corbyn!

Literally leninism

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>>131163690
>Brit/pol/ poll on abortion

jesus the levels of corbynistic babies first politics in this thread is noxious, we seriously need to raise the voting age

>>131163597
The sheer fucking hypocrecy at play here is infuriating, I want this bitch and every one of her affiliates held accountable.

They don't realize the damage they're doing.

WHO THE FUCK ARE THE LIBERAL DEMORATSSREEEEeee

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>>131163690

>>131163588
>Everything goes up in price to match

Not if government controls prices.

>reduction in jobs

Not if government punishes businesses for firing employees

>>131163536
Make there be an company HQ emigration fee that is so high it would bankrupt any company wanting to leave the UK

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>>131163794

>>131163692
Requisition the thing they bought with their own money in order to make a profit that can no longer be made because of retarded Government policy?

Absolutely amazing idea anon.

>>131163692
>He pays his taxes

Are you white and male? If so, you're paying for a state that wants you dead but just can't legally justify it yet.

>requisition their businesses

Tfw too intelligent to think that corporations, essentially conglomerates of intellectual property plus capital flow can be acquired through force.

What are you gonna do you fucking retard. March down to Starbucks HQ in london and say 'this corporation is the property of the gotv now.'

It would do nothing. Firstly it's illegal, secondly the head office in the USA would just freeze payments to its UK outlets. Congrats, you've killed one of the companies that provides services in your country. You get fucking nothing out of it btw except other companies scratching their heads wondering why they're doing business in this country.

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>>131163832

>>131163658
Mandated number of employees for each business. Boom. Solved.

>>131163708
Land shouldn't be a commodity. It should belong to everyone.

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>>131163769

>raise the voting age
>not eliminate voting altogether

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>>131163932

>>131163804

Are you being serious right now? This isn't a joke post, is it?

>>131162815
>would come out of company profits
You think the majority of companies, which are known to be solely about profits and will gladly screw anyone (their opposition, customers, the government, their own workers) for profits will just roll over and let this come from company profits? You think it won't lead to prices rising, or to people being laid off (or given less work), or to more companies dodging taxes? You think the kikes who have consistently and reliably done everything in their power to screw everyone else over for their own gain won't do that in this instance? Why? Shit rolls downhill. It always rolls downhill. Throwing more shit at the top of the hill does not, will not, and has never benefited the people at the bottom of it.

>>131163804
The government can't even manage with the tasks it has now, why would you want it to do even more?

>>131163772
>They don't realize the damage they're doing.
I doubt they'd stop even if they did. These people are a dangerous mix of stupid and powerful.

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>>131163936
Then by your will Land will not be something used by those who will use it the most but by whoever has the most firearms.
Great job dumbass.

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>>131163749
>not being pro abortion

The non white population of this country would explode even more if we did not have on demand abortion.

Fight me you stupid 'muh morals' idiots.

tfw too intelligent to want degenerate club sluts shitting out single-parent non white kids every 20 minutes

>>131163903
It's not retarded government policy. It's called being moral.

If the business owners refuse to fairly share their wealth, well then, they'll have it all taken from them.

>>131163916
>What are you gonna do you fucking retard. March down to Starbucks HQ in london and say 'this corporation is the property of the gotv now.'

Well, if it's a foreign corporation just ban them from operating in the UK, arrest all management, and requisition any wealth in the country.

Then somebody else can be subsidised to create a coffee company that pays it's workers a fair wage.

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>>131163804
>Not if government controls prices.

I seriously hope you guys don't believe this.

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What I find most annoying is everyone here acts exactly like Peter Hitchens (a Jew) and keeps saying "le country is le dead and there's no le coming back."

Why don't you embrace your country and stop being a bunch of pussies. Go out and enjoy the diversity. Overall quit fucking whining and do something with your lives.

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>>131163939
THE KING ISN'T ON THE BALLOT

>>131163936
>Mandated number of employees for each business

Yeah, forcing them to employ people will just force them out of business. Let people choose how to spend their own money, don't tell them how to spend it for them

By the many, not the few

>>131164014
Nope, it's completely sensible and that's not an argument.

>>131164030
They will have no choice. They either pay up or have their businesses closed down.

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>>131164095

>>131164101
This isn't America, it's the WHITES having the abortions here.

You think Fatima aborts little Ahmedlets?

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please help lads

ive gotten too big to get out of my chair and me mum hasn't come over to drop me off some more tunnocks teacakes and orange pop.

my piss pot is beginning to kick up a stink its too hot and I can't bend down enough to pick it up.

Hope other XXL Anons can give me tips.

>>131164187
Or they move their businesses elsewhere and our economy collapses.

>>131164032
The government is tremendously efficient at allocating resources.

Look at the NHS. It operates on a shoestring budget, far lower than any other first healthcare system as a percentage of gdp, yet still provides reasonable service.

>>131164051
Absolute nonsense. It would be illegal to take the land by force.

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>>131164228

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>EU prepares to move two agencies from London
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-40381320

Brexit, moving British Jobs out of the country

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>>131164187
>Nope, it's completely sensible and that's not an argument.

You have absolutely zero understanding of economics if you think that the government can determine prices. Please read Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell, or Road to Serfdom by Hayek before you spew your sixth form ignorance within these threads.

>They will have no choice. They either pay up or have their businesses closed down.

Then the businesses close down, workers lose their jobs and you end up with Venezuela. Pic related.

>>131164228
the 24% on labour is the muslims

>>131164115
If government controls prices it obviously keeps inflation down.

von Hayek was a fool, and Thatcher's policies showed him to be one.

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Has Peter deleted his Facebook page? I don't have twitter and wanted to ask him if he likes TS Eliot's poetry because he kept mentioning him in the Abolition of Britain.

>>131164370
Good fucking riddance

>>131163289
Correlation =/= causation

>>131164186
No it won't force them out of business. It will just decrease their ludicrous profits.

>>131164378
>Then the businesses close down, workers lose their jobs and you end up with Venezuela. Pic related
Nuh uh, just use the government to force them to stay in business

>>131164370
>Some countries are bidding to host both the European Medicines Agency (EMA) and European Banking Authority (EBA).

Euros keeping Euro corps, makes sense you fake news Krautfaggot

>>131163939
nah the masses need to own their own stupidity otherwise theyl never learn

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>>131164370
>1 post by this ID
Have your (you) and be gone!

>>131164292
So what if they do? The government will make new businesses.

>>131163708
>trapped from the wild
What the fuck are you talking about man

>6 acres for £20k
Not anywhere with fertile land or with access.

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>>131164309
>The government is tremendously efficient at allocating resources

Fucking hell. Do yourself a favour and read some books on economics anon. Start with the Wealth of Nations.

>>131164271
Looks like the effects of the famine are still being felt in Ireland

>>131164309
>The government is tremendously efficient at allocating resources.
Haha!

>yet still provides reasonable service.
I'd rather not have a "reasonable" quality of service when it comes to healthcare.

> It operates on a shoestring budget,
It really doesn't.

>>131164309
The NHS is a perfect example of the government being wasteful with resources. Are you aware of how much money is paid to people like diversity officers? The reason the NHS has issues paying actual doctors and nurses is because it's filled with middle men.

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>>131164309
>Absolute nonsense. It would be illegal to take the land by force
So you want the government to do that for you?
You just BTFOd yourself moron.

>>131164404
>If government controls prices it obviously keeps inflation down.

Government cannot control or determine prices by definition, there is too much market information it needs to respond to. Markets exist for a fucking reason you know, just because a strong man says something is worth x doesn't mean that's what it's worth.

>Thatcher's policies showed him to be one.

How?

>>131164468

They don't ever learn. They don't have the capacity to learn how to learn. Thinking this will happen is just irresponsibility. The masses think what they are told and nothing else.

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>>131164370
>EU agencies moving out of the EU
he's back

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>>131164309
>The government is tremendously efficient at allocating resources.
>Look at the NHS

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>>131164451
>we d-don't even want jobs anyway
>w-w-we are fine with the impending brain drain and the shortage of labour in all job sectors!

Alrighty Nigel.

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Is there any point anymore?

>>131164378
>Thomas Sowell

Right-wing American loon.

>Road to Serfdom

TopKek, you're a retard.

>Then the businesses close down, workers lose their jobs and you end up with Venezuela. Pic related.

>Muh Venezuela.

Not even going to dignify it with an answer tbqh

>>131164507
>>trapped from the wild
>What the fuck are you talking about man
oh dear weve got an urbanite

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>>131163399

>>131164597
German women are being raped and murdered as we speak. Mmm schadenfreude

>>131163812
>using state power to force people to direct their businesses in certain ways

This is completely repressive and totalitarian. Imagine trying to get any of this legislation passed, you fucking moron.

You can't just make laws saying effectively 'REEEEEEEEEEEE GIVE THE STATE YOUR MONEY FUCKING COMPANIES'

Your entire market would wobble and maybe crash, currencies, investors et cetera would swerve like fucking formula one drivers trying to pull out as much money as they could from your retarded economic model.

An economy is a living breathing thing you tard. It reacts to you trying to throw chains onto it.

>>131164113
>requisition

You've used that word twice now, I don't think you know what it really means.

>requisition any wealth in the country

So you're going to not only knock off thousands of jobs by de facto closing down every starbucks in the UK, but also steal a corporation's assets through force? How are you going to do that eh you moron? Their money is controlled by their economic board who is sipping green tea lattes in san francisco right now, you think they're going to be scared by you saber rattling in the UK? They will completely ignore your polite requests that you can have their legally owned money and property please. Instead they will contact their fleet of international lawyers to charge you with whatever they can think of, which by now you've given them plenty to accuse.

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>>131164504
With what money?

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>>131164670
Not an answer
>As you would say

You're getting BTFO in this thread. Why live?

>>131164520
Not an argument.

The government allocates resources better than business. The free market is enormously wasteful.

>>131164539
Absolutely nothing of substance. The NHS provides a reasonable service on a shoestring budget. That's why it needs more funding.

>>131164541
It doesn't have enough funding. The budget of the NHS is ridiculously low.

>>131164504
And the Government will never be anywhere near as responsive to market forces as individual businesses competing with one another in a free market

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>>131164597
>wanting england to be the homeland of usurious banks and medikikes

>>131164554
Its called enforcing the law you utter imbecile.

>>131164670

>Thomas sowell
>loon

You just outed yourself as a second rate troll. Fuck me, it used to be an art form.

>>131163289

>5 data points

>>131164670
>Muh "real world example doesn't count"

You've been ideologically subverted, mate.

>>131164854
I'm sure Waxaad tahay xikmad ah from Somalia loves enforcing the law of his land too.

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>>131164801
>The government allocates resources better than business. The free market is enormously wasteful.

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I hope that Emily Fermor from the Democratic Libs working for the spin company Bell Pottinger which was caught planting racial tension in South Africa this week FEELS THE FULL MIGHT OF THE SUSSEX POLICE

http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2017/04/04/lets-talk-about-the-british-pr-firm-hired-by-the-guptas-to-create-racial-tension-in-sa/

>>131164572
Thatcher's policies led to massive unemployment and a number of recessions. She only managed to sustain her economic growth due to North Sea Oil providing her with the money to pay unemployment benefits.

Also, government spending went up massively under Thatcher.

The government can control prices, if it needs to. If it mandates something must be sold for a particular price, then it is sold for that price.

>>131164801
>The government allocates resources better than business. The free market is enormously wasteful

Go on then, prove it

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>>131163086

>>131164595
Prove me wrong. The NHS operates on a shoestring budget.

>>131165006
reply to my post brainlet.

>>131164732

>>131165013
The government wastes money on Bailing out the bankers and not charging the bonuses taxes

>>131164700
Other than ducks or boar (which are protected) what animals would you be "trapping from the wild"? Not sheep, cattle or swine because they all belong to someone. Rustling is gypo tier.

t. Family owned farm for four generations in rural Staffordshire

>>131164732
I said requisition any wealth that is in the country, you twonk.

>>131164736
Money extracted from third world labour and/or natural resources.

>>131164762
I'm winning, and you right wing loonies are so blind you can't realise it.

>>131164801

You clearly have never spoken to actual nurses or care workers in the NHS. Only last night a friend of mine is being sued by the legal branch because she didn't give enough notice in calling sick at 5:30 for an 8 o clock shift. There's literally a paid department there to get together legal proceedings on health care nurses already doing a hard job for little pay.

Another Anon was here the other day telling us about a post natal yoga class his wife was offered where she'd get basically 1-to-1 treatment because it was unpopular and that woman was getting 12,000 a year ON TOP of her salary tk do fuck all.

Efficient at managing resources my arse.

>>131164823
Yes it will. Just get rid of businesses and you get rid of the market.

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>>131165194
>Winning
Ok lad. Whatever you say.

>>131164670
Momentum cuck detected

>>131162283
Do they mean today or tomorrow or next weekend?

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>>131165006
>Thatcher's policies led to massive unemployment and a number of recessions

This is completely wrong. It was not her policies that led to unemployment, it was the decline of the mining industry which was set in motion decades before Thatcher was ever born and was the result of the decline of our Empire and resultant de-industrialisation. More coal mines were closed under the Callaghan government than were closed under Thatcher. Blaming her for the decline of the mining industry is like blaming the death of the canary on the collapse of the mine. You think the symptom is the cause. Thatcher would have loved it if the mines were profitable and productive and could remain open and they *were* then they would be open to this day. What happened was due to outside competition from the third world as a result of globalisation these industries became DEPENDENT upon government handouts simply to keep going, which meant it was a loss for the government to keep subsidising them. All Thatcher did was turn off their life support machine. You are a leftist moron so you think that is what killed it and not the horrible accident that made it reliant upon a life support machine in the first place.

>>131165149
>wealth that is in the country

so illegally seize money that belongs to the starbucks corporation? How you fucking idiot? You can't legally just walk into a bank and say, all Starbucks UK incorporated wealth now belongs to the govt.

That's illegal and you would be sued straight away for what is literally just theft.

Have fun with your mass protests as you (a socialist who supposedly cares for the working class) lays off tens of thousands of working people who work for starbucks in various capacities btw

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>>131164801
>The budget of the NHS is ridiculously low
And yet they still pay for diversity officers and snowflake detectors, they still pay good money for over-the-counter medicine any pleb can buy themselves from Tesco for half the price, they still pay £32 for a box of needles that can be bought for £4, they still pay backdoor middle men for the privilege of the above.

And you just fucking said the government is great at allocating resources. If the government is so great at allocating resources then how can the NHS be ridiculously underfunded?

>>131164572
>They don't ever learn. They don't have the capacity to learn how to learn. Thinking this will happen is just irresponsibility. The masses think what they are told and nothing else.

Ok, 'Learn' suggests a conscious process which is over doing it. For the most part i think people vote to solve the problems caused by the last lot they voted in, hence the 20 year left / right cycle we see in most developed countries. It seems to work fairly well.

Of course most of the populace are unconscious actors in this process. But they should certainly at the very least pay income tax in order to vote

>>131164869
Thomas Sowell is a right-wing loon.

He's a right wing neoliberal American, the worst form of human being.

>>131164940
It's literally one example you complete and utter nonce.

>>131164970
This is objective fact.

>>131165013
Look at the NHS.

>>131165064
You're the brainlet. You've been so brainwashed by Hayek. Friedman and other loonies that you can't see the obvious.

The government can respond to market information as well as a business can. Literally no reason why it can't.

Also, why would there be such thing as a market if the government ran things?

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>>131165080
>The government

Doesn't that prove his point?

>>131165149
>I said requisition any wealth that is in the country
And if I don't want my wealth stolen by the state, I'd either have to take it to another country, or have the state come at me with guns. Not exactly painting this as a friendly place for enterprise, are you?

>>131165379

Woops, that should be blaming the collapse of the coalmine on the death of the canary.

>>131165436
We need a communist government to stop the bankers from stopping free school meals

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Just got back from work lads. Is that Antifa and EDL stuff still going on?

>>131165221
There needs to be more money.

The NHS operates on a shoestring budget yet continues to provide reasonable healthcare.

>>131165263
Seriously, prove me wrong.

>>131165294
Nope, not momentum. Just a patriot.

>>131165379
Nope, it was her policies. The mines should've been kept open for the public good, and she was just lucky she had spare money lying around. The dumb whore.

>>131165433
>Literally no reason why it can't.

Explain the state of Venezuela.

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>>131165436
>that pic

>>131160921
>>131160921
Hey britbros. Heard this song yesterday and it hit me in the feels pretty hard. Thought I'd share. I wish you all the best of luck

https://youtu.be/rZ98gUGVYh0

>>131165386
The government ought to be above the law, because it represents the will of the people, which shouldn't be bound by anything.

>sued

kek

>>131165556
You lost as soon as you posted the half arsed reply:
>>131164670

>>131160921
>Required reading for stupid Americans
>https://pastebin.com/nhTNFfMC
Thanks to the OPs who added this. Let me know if anyone wants anything added.

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>>131165556

I sense that you are not arguing in good faith at all, sir.

How did her policies cause the decline of the mining industry? Why is she responsible for its decline in profitability, a trend which was in place decades before she came to power?

>>131165391
>There are a couple of kinks so the whole system is inefficient

listen to yourself you moron.

Got the first winner today lads. Got a few accumulators on, wish me luck.

QUID

>>131165436
The state comes at you with guns, then.

Deal with it.

>>131165562
Again, one example.

Run along, child.

>>131165634
>the will of the people, which shouldn't be bound by anything.

but it is bound by reality, and the price signals of the market reflect that reality, which is what you want to deny.

you literally think you can change reality if you have the government declare untrue things as being real.

>>131165149
What natural resources? We gonna open da mines and have everyone take turns digging coal to sell to Poland?

Hey guys

Did you know that this Tory government is LITERALLY like 1984?

Some clever people on twitter with blue ticks said so

>>131165684
I don't care whether or not it was profitable. She destroyed the mining communities and put them on the dole.

Filthy wretch of a woman.

>>131165511
>free school meals

Still gets on my wick. Why can't parents feed their own damn kids?

>>131165556
>Nope, not momentum. Just a patriot.
Yeah, that's what a Stalinist usually says
>Socialism in one country!!!!!

wew lad

>>131165758
>price signals of the market

Nonsense, made up buzzwords to legitimise the false science of economics.

>>131165556

You didn't fucking address either of my examples you piece of shit. Do it immediately or no more (you)s. I never once said it didn't need more money but it's HOW much it needs when it's still haemorrhaging it's finances on what it DOES have.

>>131165753
One example along with Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan. Afghanistan, Cambodia, Mongolia, and Yemen. Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Germany (East), Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia. Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Rep. of Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia. Angola, Benin, Dem Rep. of Congo, Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, and Mozambique.

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>>131163269
What kind of a person is paid for covertly pushing racism and genocide whilst labeling themselves a Liberal..

>>131165770
Buy up foreign land rich in resources and exploit the indigenous labour.

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Right where should I emigrate to?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-am-sorry-pensioner-goes-10657749

>>131165821
Why can't bankers just pay their own taxes?

>>131165820

>I don't care whether or not it was profitable

Leftists, everybody.

>>131165686
>Wasting 1 billion pounds a year is a couple of kinks
>The government is great at allocating resources and the NHS is an example, aside from the fact it's underfunded and wasteful

Yes, I will listen to myself, because you're making no fucking sense whatsoever. You want communism. It's been tried before many times and has always ended the same way. You have suggested nothing that hasn't been suggested before and hasn't completely failed before.

>>131165634
>above the law

OK fine so you think govt should be above the law. But govt is made up of people so you think it's fine for people to be above the law. Why then have laws at all?

You're just arguing for maniacal communism where the govt is all powerful and anti capital.

>>131165753
>>131165719
This has to be bait. Nobody can be this simple minded.

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>>131165634
>The government ought to be above the law

Literally kill yourself.

>>131165822
>Being a Stalinist

>Being in momentum

Stalin was based you retard.

Anyway, I'm not even a socialist I'm a state capitalist.

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>>131165924
>Land shouldn't be a commodity. It should belong to everyone.
>Buy up foreign land rich in resources and exploit the indigenous labour.

Great job thicko kek.

>>131165878

Do you know what a bid/ask spread is? Do you think this represents something real and tangible or something made up in order to fool leftists?

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>>131162747
There's only one man who can stop her

>>131165896
My favourite verse of We Didn't Start the Fire.

>>131165686

>couple of kinks

You don't read a single thing do you, you lazy cunt. You just argue for the sake of arguing just to (you) farm. Even typing "NHS inefficiency" into google and ignoring the tabloids will net you more than enough to show you it's a nationwide collection of kinks that result in a fucking shitshow. And let's not even start on the fucking fatties. 60% of the country are classed as overweight or obese now and every one of them need checked and double checked for the related ailments to being a fat undisciplined piece of human garbage because if something comes up later the fat cunt then sues.

>>131165953
He's right about that, capital shouldn't be the end goal of a society.

He's wrong about everything else, his goals are vague and ridiculous and his methods childishly thought through, like all neo communist nonsense.

>>131165895
Nonsense. It operates on a shoestring budget yet still provides reasonable healthcare.

>>131165896
Get rid of the African countries, also the Soviet States all count as one you utter moron. Listing them all separately is stupid and you know it. Anyway, the USSR was massively successful up until Brezhnev's time, and the Stalinist system, minus the terror and five year plans, is the ideal system of government.

>>131165924
Which takes me back to an earlier point, with what money?

>>131164113
>If the business owners refuse to fairly share their wealth, well then, they'll have it all taken from them.

Then they fuck off to Ireland to run their business, and due to being better managers and more capital they will cause the British "Fair" business to shut down.

>>131166165

I don't think it should be either, but that doesn't mean Thatcher was responsible for the decline of the mining industry like he suggested.

>>131166004
I'm talking about land in our country, I don't care about foreign land.

>>131166197
> the USSR was massively successful up until Brezhnev
Whatever you say lad. Communism failed at Marx.

>>131166197
>Get rid of the African countries

I wish we could

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>>131166091
So she pushes covert racism and genocide in South Africa, and also LGBT in London, what a stunning gal!

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Would Oswald Mosley have been a remainer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrBbN0vvGLA

>>131166159
It operates on a shoestring budget yet still provides reasonable healthcare.

Capitalist losers will never stop getting butthurt about that simple fact.

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>>131166259
QUICK! COVER UP THE HOLE IN THE COMMUNIST'S LOGIC!
You got found out fag. Just end yourself.

Looks like the capitalist piggies are getting royally BTFO'D ITT

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>>131164309
>The government is tremendously efficient at allocating resources.
>diversity budget

>>131161337
It's impossible to do that because they're a cult and they don't want to engage with you because in their mind that's a form of opression

>>131166324
Is that why everyone travels to America for better quality healthcare for diseases then?

>>131166212
Money you extract from the rich, and from existing industry.

>>131166197

A two and a half average wait to be seen is not "reasonable" to me. Old folks dying on stretchers in hallways is not "reasonable" to ANYONE.

Do you just read the news each day then just cast it aside the next? Do you follow the news at ALL to formulate your opinions/non-arguments?

>>131166240
Nonsense, because we won't allow their products into Britain.

>>131166383
>money you extract from the rich
>extract

how you fucking idiot.

>>131166301
I'll write her a letter demanding an explanation

>>131166383
>Let's make everyone as poor as everyone else as that is bound to help the hundreds of thousands employed in industries such as yacht building, private home cleaning etc.

>>131166383
So how do you extract that money from the rich?

>>131166324
NHS will die in the next 10 years and privatization will be new norm. Socialist losers will complain when you have to get a job to pay for your own healthcare.

>>131166269
The USSR wasn't communism, it was state capitalism.

>>131166328
Not an argument.

>>131166350
The fact it manages to do that while still maintaining a viable police force is admirable, and a testament to government efficiency.

>>131166258
She was and she wasn't. It was an inevitable end, but she was part of the process. She was an awful PM for other reasons.

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>London bus makes "dangerous" overtake of cyclist
>cyclist catches up with bus and pushes the emergency engine kill-switch
>bus driver mad as fuck

how does this make you feel?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/g0Kwc2gz0qc/hqdefault.jpg

>>131166375
Well, America spends an enormous amount of GDP on healthcare so it's to be expected, isn't it? Problem is, their system is mostly privatised and so horrifically inefficient as a result.

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>>131166516
>The USSR wasn't communism
It never is when they always fail is it?
>Not an argument
Damage control

>>131166383
You must be under 18 or still in school, you come up with these policies such as extract money from the rich without explaining how you would do it.

>>131166475
She'll tell you to fuck off, I just find it funny she works for a PR company pushing LBGT in London AT THE SAME pushing Genocide and Racism in South Africa.

>>131166324

it has a £30bn blackhole in its finances you fucking cretin

if it was a "reasonable" service it would be able to operate without getting billions into the red

>>131166577
banter

>>131166197
>It operates on a shoestring budget yet still provides reasonable healthcare.

Source on this. Our system has incredibly long waiting lists that can be months or years long, whereas Germany, a multi-payer system, has virtually eliminated waiting lists

>>131166398
Those are isolated cases, and also again due to a lack of funding of the NHS. The NHS still maintains a reasonable quality of care on a shoestring budget.

>>131165379
Trust a fool like Corbyn to use a fork for digging a grave.

>>131166471
Forcing them to pay up. Penalise them with prison time or forced labour if they do not pay.

>>131166522
>she was part of the process

How? The industry was already declining and unprofitable before she got in. How the fuck was she part of that process in any way?

>>131166598
We still spend far more kiddo.

when did you realise the uk produces nothing and the government sold everything we had?

uk lacking badly.

>>131166577
fucking hate cyclists. should require some mandatory test before going on the road.

>>131166485
I don't advocate wage equality.

>>131166723
>gulag pits

And you say your not a commie?

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>>131166723
And then you can watch them sail away from the country to the Bahamas and cry as they do so lmfao

>>131166514
Healthcare is a right, the public will not abide by a privatised NHS. There would be an uprising.

>>131166646
Nah I think there's something about MPs having to respond to their constituents.

Anyway what's the genocidal group up to?

>>131166197
>Anyway, the USSR was massively successful up until Brezhnev's time, and the Stalinist system, minus the terror and five year plans

Stalin and his concept IS using terror to carry out five year plans you loon. And the USSR was not massively successful - only in the sense of converting a feudal society to industrialization. That is the only think Communism did well, converting backwards feudal nations like Imperial Russian and China and forcing them into industrialization at the cost of millions of people.

However, free markets like the Asian Tigers, Botswana, and so on have been much more successful. There is a need for Government regulation, but government demanding stuff from the economy will only choke it out. Even Japan and South Korea who have a lot of government input into the economy only do it by cheap loans and tax breaks, and give the freedom for companies to go into stuff they do not see the need. (Honda going into car manufacturing is a classic example)

>>131166752

oy vey, producing things is bad, goy. better to get indebted up to your eyeballs to pay for your luxury existence

>>131166616
It objectively wasn't communism, but I'm not a communist.

I'm a state capitalist.

>>131166624
I've already explained how I'd do it. Threaten them with prison or forced labour.

>>131166769
There should definitely be some sort of cycling proficiency test

>>131166819
The public will have no choice. NHS is not sustainable with such an increase in population every year.

>>131166649
No it doesn't.

Also

>That fucking flag

Won't reply to you anymore you utter fool.

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>I am returned...
What do?

>>131166819

Only negative rights are legitimate.

Positive rights are a claim on *somebody else's* resources, which is unacceptable parasitism and theft and there will be an uprising if it continues.

>>131166723
So you do that to one of them and the rest all escape on their private planes to another country taking their money with them (most of which is already off-shore anyway). What then? Are you going to declare war on America if they don't hand over 'our' rich people who escaped there?

>>131164801
>It doesn't have enough funding. The budget of the NHS is ridiculously low.
>Is it though

Increase it as much as you like, it will only fund the problems.

>>131165686

>This actual post

The NHS is full of women taking literally months off with pay for """stress""". It's full of nebulous strategising and coordinating managers getting 100k to buzz around pretending to streamline the inner workings of the hospital as they themselves take time off and fuck stuff up even more. Doctors do the same.

Because it's sociliased there's no incentive to perform or be efficient. The professional atmosphere is abysmal.

>>131166577
Just watched the video didn't seem dangerous at all, on the day of rope cyclists will be the 38th to hang.

>>131166877
Don't kid yourself anymore, You've fucked up your life already. What did you do / get for your GCSEs?

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>>131166723
Fucking top kek.

>I'm a state capitalist
>btw force dissenters who believe in private property into gulags where they are forced to work until death
>Im not a communist I promise

Fucking ignorant ideologue. It saddens me that people with your tiny intellectual capacity are allowed to vote and have it be as valid as my votes.

>>131166886
That's clearly not a problem with socialism, and in fact is a problem with capitalism, as globalism is the end result of unbridled capitalism.

>>131166522

Stayed in power for a pretty good period for a terrible PM. I genuinely don't think you have the first clue of what you're talking about

>>131166679

Isolated cases? I just fucking told you about a department of non health care professionals whose entire job is to sue their employees. The entire department.

You are literally LITERALLY doing the textual equivileht of plugging your ears and going "lalalalala I can't heeeeeear you".

It's actually astounding.


>4chan

Ahhh there's my rookie mistake

>>131166423
UK market is only 66 million people, Nor can the UK remotely try to be achieve autarky in economics. Your food imports alone make sure of that.

>>131164309
>Look at the NHS. It operates on a shoestring budget, far lower than any other first healthcare system as a percentage of gdp, yet still provides reasonable service

>>131164801
>The NHS provides a reasonable service on a shoestring budget

>>131165056
>The NHS operates on a shoestring budget

>>131166197
>Nonsense. It operates on a shoestring budget yet still provides reasonable healthcare

>>131166324
>It operates on a shoestring budget yet still provides reasonable healthcare

>>131165556
>The NHS operates on a shoestring budget yet continues to provide reasonable healthcare

You sound like a broken record lad. Also, source please.