Libertarianism is not anarcho capitalism

>>131152427
Legit

Anarchy is for children

>>131152427
anarcho-capitalism is shit, but still a lesser evil than national-(((socialism)))

>>131152464
Libertarianism is for retarded children too.

>>131152538
True

>>131152566
are you an anarcho-capitalist or a national-socialist?
so i can know if we should explain why you're wrong or throw you out of a helicopter

>>131152464
>Anarchy is for children

True, and stupid ideologists which will never amount to anything.

Libertarianism = realism but you never push an ideology a full 100% because that'll never work. Seems like a really hard concept to grasp, both on the left and on the right.

We elect a government/council to do shit like organising roads for us.
We voluntarily pay for the service with road tax (in the UK anyway).
You dont HAVE to pay road tax, only if you want to use public roads.

A real libertarian government is not supposed to rule us, its supposed to organise the shit we cant be bothered to do, to make our lives easier, like you would pay an accountant to manage your accounts

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>>131152598
>ITZ ALL SO-SHULL-IZM
stahp with this meme

Is political correctness the same as correctness?
>no, of course not that's silly.
Is social justice the same as justice?
>no, of course not that's silly.
Is national socialism the same as socialism?
>YES OMG OBVIOUSLY IT SAYS THE WORD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vMypCinkRk

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>>131152566

This, checked and kek'd

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>>131152566
Why? Any reason for this bait?

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>>131153010
>McTomahawk detected
Get your priorities in order son.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pgnng3bVlc

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ITT residual statism and bootlickery

Take the hoppepill, boys

>>131152427
It is still almost as retarded, though.

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>>131153213
Look I like you Nazis hell of a lot more than most, I just think we disagree on some things, and don't pretend it's not socialism when it is

>>131152427
It's worse

>>131152427
>Libertarianism is not anarcho capitalism

No. You're their useful idiots. They let you smoke dope and count on you to vote their interests in return.

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>>131153396
As long as you pick the right side on Day of the Rope, we can calmly debate our economic strategy differences afterwards like decent HuWhite men should.

Having a white nation is what matters most to us, the economics of it are a side issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShXEiA-1RI

neither exists, both are meme ideologies just like "real communism"

anarcho-capitalism is the true liberty

>>131153862

Anarcho capitalism doesnt secure liberty. It just transfers power from the state to multinational corporation. Aka the corporations become the government, but you cant elect them.

Libertarianism should transfer power from state to individial

>131153598
Youre an idiot. I seem to spend more time debating anarcho capitalists at the moment than people from the left. How cam i possibly be their idiot?
>>131153396
How can you have liberty if you dont have roads, lets be honest.

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>>131153396
I made a hard turn from ancap to full on Nazi and don't even know how it happened

>>131153913
I prefer national libertarianism

We can gas the kikes AND keep our guns :^)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5DcA1TtaP_c

>>131154061
Can I shoot kikes I bought with my guns?

>>131153913
I don't know how you'd get on the Socialism train from AnCap. Market fascism, national Libertarianism, or NatCap is better.

>>131153913
>don't even know how it happened

Because you want to be with a group so bad, but you don't want to be with a group where you actually have to defend yourself with proper arguments. So you end up being a meme of yourself.

>>131154061
Nice Guy National Socialism is based

>>131152427
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>>131152598
>Liber-niggers still think it's okay to post here
Go back to /r/the_donald you dumb faggots. Your underage larping is not allowed here.

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>>131153913
>don't know how it happened
Sounds like you got your priorities in order. Race matters, economics are a side issue. I wouldn't mind paying more taxes or w/e if they went towards helping MY people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzIRG525l6s

>>131154061
>national libertarianism
wtf is that?

Libertarianism is nothing and everything at the same time. Libertarianism is a vague term that requires you to explain exactly what, in your version of libertarianism, the state should do. No 2 libertarians will ever agree to everything.

If you're a libertarian, but you're not interested in pushing the boundaries of state removal, to see how little the state could be before society starts tearing itself apart (if ever), then you're not convinced about freedom, all you want is a good slave master.

>>131154416
You got me there. Plus I got really tired of dealing with shit degeneracy that I have to get backlash for because the majority of my country are people who either have been cucked out of being proud of what their ancestors have done, or are burning patrol cars screaming REPARATIONS

>infighting
We don't need this shit right now. Both Libertarianism and Fascism work well in a white ethnostate.

We can settle our differences after we hang all the kikes, niggers, fags and commies on the day of the rope.

>>131152427
Ancap is a fucking meme

Like fuck.. at least natsoc and stalinism are actual ideologies. There is none of that with ancaps.

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>>131154583
I feel you brother
>tfw I was born in Chicago

My parents & grandparents grew up pretty damn poor, but they grew up in a WHITE America....and that made all the difference. The average blue-collar Americans of that time were much happier, stronger and overall better than anyone I know IRL today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmtuCzKy83U

>>131154442
Nationalism
Libertarianism
Go figure

Having strong border controls doesnt infringe personal liberties of home citizens.

Likewise, you dont have to have a centralised currency and a central bank to control your borders

I just took parts from different ideologies i liked and made my own

Making new ideology names is funny

Radical ethno blairism
National paleo-conservatism
Unreasonable centrist
Liberal ethno-collectivism
Traditionalist Automomo-Conservatism

>>131154873
>born in central Texas, surrounded by so many spics and niggers my nickname as a kid was Snowball

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>>131154148
>I don't know how you'd get on the Socialism train from AnCap
You know you've been brainwashed when 1 word can make you abandon all ideologies. Marxian socialism = prussian socialism like Spengler described it.
>Market fascism, national Libertarianism, or NatCap is better
It is in no way better. It only cares about money and not about the people .

who says it is?

>>131155274
Marxian socialism =|= prussian socialism like Spengler described it*

>>131155290
A lot of people

Quite often i get left wing idiots go "aha! Youre an ancap! Road memes LOL!"
Then i have to explain to them the difference

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>>131154912
The main problem with this ideology is that it has no NATURAL philosophical defenses against (((them))).
>if "freedom" and "profit" are the only goals, then hiring cheap 3rd world labor is incentivized
We were essentially this before the early 1900's.
YOU may understand the importance of race, but your children or their children will grow accustomed to an easy existence, and they will open the gates for the sake of "freedom" just like it happened before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jShp4mc8i-A

>>131155274
Socialism breeds weak people and it is inherently immoral. Why do you want your countrymen to be enslaved by a welfare state? What happens when (((they))) subvert it?

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>>131155559
(((they))) can't get in.
That's fundamental to NATIONAL Socialism.

>just like POLITICAL correctness is primarily about "political issues"
>or SOCIAL justice is primarily about "social issues"

>>131155432
What are some natural philosophical defences against (((them))) that national socialism has and national libertarianism does not?

>>131155274
Dude, I know that it's not Marxist socialism. Why assume everyone who is opposed to "Nordic" "volkish" or "Prussian" socialism is just ignorant. I still think it is every bit as garbage.

>>131155709
obviously genocide

>>131155677
All it takes is one successor to your leader to fuck things up and you are ruined, the people have no recourse because you signed it away. The problem is that a strong central government and a welfare state make it entirely possible to go against the interests of the people without any resistance.
The government should fear the people.
>>131155859
Genocide all you want, the NAP doesn't apply to non whites and race traitors.

>>131154473
>all you want is a good slave master

Same deal for ancap. "Company store" ring any bells?

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>>131155709
Because the majority of your adherents care primarily about the economic (libertarian) bit, and only afterwards do they worry about their own people.
>we had a similar problem at the other end with the National Bolsheviks/Strasserists (the ACTUAL socialists)
>they wanted to rob all the rich German gentiles
>had to give em the ole' long knife

National socialism = for our race
That's all that matters.

You have conflicting interests = profits & race.
Once a few people sell out the race for the sake of maximum profits, the whole (((cycle))) begins again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gkofwYnJXc

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>>131155559
>Socialism breeds weak people and it is inherently immoral
And capitalism doesn't breed weak people? In Germany every man aged 18-25 had to spend 6 months in labour service preparing for war. Anyone who is 35+ and lived in former soviet republics know what I am talking about.
>Why do you want your countrymen to be enslaved by a welfare state
They are not enslaved especially when they aren't paying for niggers to have children.
>What happens when (((they))) subvert it?
They don't exist in a perfect society.

>>131156049
>people have no recourse because you signed it away
I have no idea where this meme comes from. People always have a say in their government.

>The problem is that a strong central government and a welfare state make it entirely possible to go against the interests of the people without any resistance.
If it goes against the interests of the people, the people will revolt. If bringing in millions of minorities strokes the ego of the people then its not against the interests of the people.

>>131152427
Anarcho Capitalism is PREMIUM Libertarianism

wholeheartedly agree. libertatians have become a kind of shameless poaching racket for fiscally conservative social liberals who didn't get the memo that dems are the new puritans

i feel obliged to side with the pope on this one, famsquad

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>>131156049
The people have much better recourse under National Socailism than we have now.

If we had a fully WHITE nation who cared about each other, then I could take up arms against tyranny knowing my neighbor would have my back.

In our society, the govt. doesn't have to do a damn thing to control me because my neighbor is the ENEMY. He's as likely to break in and rape my kids as he is to be on my side.

You are putting the cart before the horse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPwAEW9E4w

>>131152566
Great, then we can make one big retarded family

Why not just have national socialism, which then leads to libertarianism? We need to unify and give up some stuff to get our house in order, after the work is done we can transition

>Inb4 that's appeasement you cuck
>Inb4 the state will never relinquish power

Let's say for the sake of argument that we pull a Pinochet in America. Some people have to die, some NAPs have to be interrupted, but once our borders and people are secure ethnically, wouldn't it be better to transition to libertarianism at the point? I mean, that's natsocs biggest issue with 1776 right? Is the race thing? If we take care of that, could you at least concede that libertarianism is better for the people overall domestically?

>>131156262
Comparatively a society that promotes responsibility and self-reliance should produce stronger people than a society that promotes parasitism.
Socialism effectively subsidizes weakness.
>>131156439
That depends on whether or not we have guns. I don't know how most National Socialists think about gun ownership but Nazi Germany didn't exactly promote an armed citizenry.
>>131156514
I would be okay with this.

>>131156481
It appears we need eugenics then.

>>131156754
>Nazi Germany didn't exactly promote an armed citizenry
What are you talking about? Hitler gave the people more rights to guns.

>>131156880
Source?

>>131156152
No it doesn't. I learned a trade and became independent of company stores. Capitalism allowed me to become free.

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>>131156514
As long as we remove the nonwhites first, we can debate the pros and cons like reasonable white men.

I think your system is doomed to repeat the cycle, but at least we can actually have a civilized debate about it and agree to appropriate checks and balances once the foreign interests and their pets are gone.

>>131156954
http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4029&context=flr
enjoy

>>131157045

thats a fucjing retarded quote tbf

>>131156754
>a society that promotes parasitism
I already explained how wrong that statement is. Don't listen to modern neo-marxist socialists like Berney that appeal to college kids. With more social benefits for example mothers with (white) children came more responsibility. You had to learn how to shoot, apply first aid and generally to be prepared for war. There was a nationwide boy scouts organisation. There was much more but I can't be bothered to list everything.

>>131157124
>flag
Opinion discarded.

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>>131156954
Second paragraph from the bottom. Not exactly the source you're asking for, but it dispels the myth that Hitler was for gun control.

>>131156954
also here is a salon article about it
http://archive.is/yK8Uo

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>>131156954
They took guns from the Jews, not from the German people obviously.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/26/ben-carson/fact-checking-ben-carson-nazi-guns/

>inb4 (((Politifact)))
>I know, but they don't ALWAYS lie

http://firearmtrainingstore.com/about-us/blog/did-hitler-ban-guns/

>>131157124
Spotted the cuck with nothing to fight for

Post your address so I can rend your boipucci, since you have made it obvious you won't resist

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>>131157335
wtf I love national socialism now.

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>>131157124
>John Stuart Mill vs. some guy who chooses the Recycle flag on 4chinz

top zozzle

>>131157405
Both the Allies and the Comintern made up their own version of the story to scare their population. Americans probably learned how authoritarian and orwellian the goverment was while the USSR pushed the "slavic subhuman" narrative for which there is no evidence still.

>>131155432
>>if "freedom" and "profit" are the only goals, then hiring cheap 3rd world labor is incentivized
It's not, most 3rd worlders are lazy and useless with an avergage of 80 IQ, now with all the automatization they're more and more useless

>>131154442
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_liberalism
Pretty old ideology, but it's getting traction again. Nye Bogerlige, a very young Danish party has gained a lot of support very quickly, and could be labeled national libertarian.

>>131156223
No, any kind of socialism is for the people at the top of the ladder and eventually leads to economic catastrphe. Read some history about pre-WW2 German economy, cause it seems you think it was going well

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I always think if the "state" was libertarian, the people living in that state would be AnCaps. But you can't have an AnCap state.

>>131157125
Cause he knew without a war they were fucked, the socialism programs and central steering completely fucked up the economy

>>131158010
If you think non-white immigration to America is going to stop you're wrong. Jews have been pushing for this since the 20's and they finally got what they wanted in 1965.
>inb4 da jooz
Read The Culture of Critique
http://davidduke.com/my-awakening-chapter-24-the-jewish-role-in-immigration/

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>>131158010
tell that to our farmers who hire spics willing to work for $3/hour rather than mechanizing.
Don't need a high IQ for tons of menial shit.

>vid related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRrCGwx_noI

>>131152427
That's true. Libertarians are statist cucks mostly.

If you love animals more than people and love nature then Hitlerism is right for you
Strictest animal welfare policies of any government ever and the Aryan race is closest to nature so we should be defended a long with our nature

>>131157045
I would say your hesitance stems from your distrust of a truly free market to actually regulate itself. Which is understandable. I lack evidence at the moment cause I'm a filthy phone posting scrub, but I assure you that once the undesirables our physically removed from our society, a free market ethnostate will not only be the easiest to manage, it will also be in the best interest of the people. Social mobility would be encouraged by market expansion. Obviously our efforts need to be directed at securing our interests planetarium, while encouraging those in certain social strata to join extraterrestrial colonization efforts. Both our causes main enemies are stagnation. Stagnation is what breeds degeneracy and, even worse, monopolization.

If you love animals more than people and love nature then Hitlerism is right for you
Strictest animal welfare policies of any government ever and the Aryan race is closest to nature so the blood should be defended a long with our nature

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>>131158099
Anything related to liberalism is bad but in the modern world of outright marxism I guess that's a tiny step forward.

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>>131153897
>Anarcho capitalism doesnt secure liberty. It just transfers power from the state to multinational corporation. Aka the corporations become the government, but you cant elect them.
literally mental babby

Anyone who says they like animals better than people but doesn't support Nazism is a faggot liar

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>>131158256
>Cause he knew without a war they were fucked
It was the opposite. They were fucked without a war so they geared the economy towards war.

>>131153913
Oh, that's easy. It's because you lack character and integrity.

>>131152566
Autism is not a retardation.

>>131155274
>not about the people
>about the people
>the people
kys you r-selected parasite

>>131158550
That's what i said, lel...

He fucked up the economy and needed something for it not to pop

>>131158641
Day of the rope for all who place the shekel before the nation.

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>>131158393
Throwing people out of Helicopters is fascist as fuck m8. Pinochet was a fascist who slowly loosened up, not a lolberg who transcended politics. He literally wore the same outfit as Hitler, but used grey instead of brown.
>his soldiers had an edited nazi salute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg9hhQ8K4a0

An caps:
>real capitalism has never been tried
Anarchy would never last, nor would real uncorrupted capitalism

>>131156262
>And capitalism doesn't breed weak people? In Germany every man aged 18-25 had to spend 6 months in labour service preparing for war. Anyone who is 35+ and lived in former soviet republics know what I am talking about.
Turned out very well for the Soviets and Adolf though. This whole authoritarian collectivist thing.

Russia is a hellhole today and Germany is overrun by Muds.

But MUH LABOUR SERVICE xDDDDD

>>131158675
That's propaganda son.

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>>131158747
prepare for helicopter ride, commie

>>131158717
>he unironically believes this
xD

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Libertarianism in a nutshell:
>Don't tread on me or my wife's son ever again.

Ancap doesn't whine about "don't tread on me" --- we have automated drones that kill trespassers

>>131152427
Fuck yeah it's not.

>>131158835
>bottom right helicopters meme
lol thats the very top right

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what the difference between Hoppe and Pinochet lads?

>>131156514

Guide on how to create libertarian and natsoc paradise without breaking the NAP:

Step 1: Stop giving welfare to darkies.

Step 2: The darkies will either a) starve to death on the streets b) chimp out in the streets thus violating the NAP and permitting being gunned down c) fuck off to another country to get gibmedats.

Step 3: Majority of liberal voters and darkies are now gone.

Now this would need at least one white country to still be handing out gibs to attract all the darkies to, for that I propose Germany since they are already basically performing this function and deserve it for constantly trying to destroy Europe anyway.

>>131156375
speak english

>>131159214
>genocide the supreme nation goy it's their fault that ZOG targets them specifically
KYS you limey Jew

>>131152819
>first thing you talk about is roads

Libs on suicide watch

>>131158768
Yeah anarchy has to fail as Nozick showed it.

What is corrupted capitalism?

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>>131159180
Willpower

>>131156514
national socialism is just as mystic as any other form of leftism

>>131159386
Pinochet was a little too trigger-happy to be considered a good leader.

>>131158316
Those farmers are idiots who are putting short term profits over long term gains and stability, and are encouraged to do so by government subsidies and their state controlled monopoly. If the farmers market (lol) were actually opened up and competition would be allowed, along with ending welfare , you would find that farms that employ cheap third world labor would fail quickly.

>>131159368
It will always become dominated and rigged to keep the ''human cattle'' down by people with very Jewish ''morals''

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>A member of the human race who is completely incapable of understanding the higher productivity of labor performed under a division of labor based on private property is not properly speaking a person… but falls instead into the same moral category as an animal – of either the harmless sort (to be domesticated and employed as a producer or consumer good, or to be enjoyed as a “free good”) or the wild and dangerous one (to be fought as a pest). On the other hand, there are members of the human species who are capable of understanding the [value of the division of labor] but...who knowingly act wrongly… [B]esides having to be tamed or even physically defeated [they] must also be punished… to make them understand the nature of their wrongdoings and hopefully teach them a lesson for the future.

>>131159791
being a gommie is a violation of the NAP
>select all images with roads
they're on to me guys

I would be libertarian but all the shitty people and weak people need to be kept in line to prevent degeneracy like animal cruelty
That's why I choose NS instead

>>131160015
why do you need national socialism to stop animal cruelty?

>>131158499
yeah thats not a counter argument at all. you just cant actually refute my point so you resort to ad-hominem

take down the flag, you edgy cunt

>>131160317
>how will I know that anally raping dogs is wrong if der fuhrer doesn't tell me so?

>>131157377

fuck you

>>131157458

Stefan molyneux

>>131158469
Salvador Allende was democratically elected you know?

>>131153340
>pinochet
>ancapistan

Are you mentally retarded,anon?

>>131157458

Appeal to authority

>>131157159

Appeal to flag

>>131159356
because its always the first argument anyone ever brings up, and too many libertarians try to pander to anarcho capitalists by trying to somehow defend "free market roads" which is the dumbest shit ever

>>131152427
and?

>>131160456
why tf are you replying to me

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>>131152427
dood been waiting for OP image for a few days such impeccable timing as i am shutting down my PC in like 2 minutes. just curious where you found this if over google, or if u made it yourself, and what this type of image is called? in my google image searches ive tried "seal" "brand" "coat of arms" and never was able to find a gadsden version or really any serious selection. if you simply saved it off a previous thread, what name would you have given it?

>>131161293
Theyre so easy to make, but i had it saved from years ago

idk i just call them pol logos

>>131161292
that's how national socialism stops animal cruelty. Natsocs are too morally weak to figure out why being cruel to animals is wrong, so they need an authority figure to assert that they're correct. This generally takes the form of ridiculous allusions to beastiality

>>131158747
He was an econ libertarian and cultural liberal, he was a capitalist fascist

>>131160317
It's a strong and powerful government in place to enforce morals of Elitism and anti-degeneracy with an iron fist

>>131158171
It was going incredible.

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>>131158747
>commies
>people

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>>131161293
here i made you one

>>131162077
oh i fucked it up a bit around the edges
oh well i dont care

>>131158675
You didn't understand him. Germany would be fucked if they didn't have a strong military to defend itself so they geared the economy for war.

i want to be libertarian but I also support genociding/relocating the Jews and redistributing their wealth to the volk. So I guess I'm a progressive national socialist.

>>131162191
Yeah, they defended themselvs so much they attacked Czechoslovakia and Poland

>>131161776
Yeah except the tons of debt to finance all those fantasies. What he did is basically go in debt as much he can and then go to war to not pay it

>>131162381
German lands. If a nation doesn't defend it's people it has no legitimacy. Debt to whom?

>>131162783
>the parts of Czechoslovakia and Poland that weren't the Sudetenland and Prussia were German

>>131159772

>white man keep us dowm
>we wuz kings n shiiieeett

>>131159772
It won't be rigged, as it will be dominated by the consumer.

Why do you mention Jews in particular?

>>131162381
Exactly - Hitler had to choose between war and bankruptcy.

>>131162783
To banks.

>ideologies

>>131153396
who is that dude in the lefft? always see him in ancap/libertarian memes

>>131164289
Hans Hermann Hoppe

>>131164289
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Hermann_Hoppe

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>>131164289
A god amongst men

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-wMmYSG9JQ

>>131158425
liberalism is libertarianism on mainland europe

>>131164767
nice song. any video recommendations for hoppe?

>>131153897
You elect them by buying their products. Ever heard of a boicott?

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>>131161293
Here you go

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>>131164289
Uncle hans, physical remover

>>131152427
Ancaps whole world view is based on a fallacy. Their definition of capitalism is so narrow and cherry picked that any criticism is considered a strawman even though they strawman their own ideology in a positive way.

>>131152427
Right, it's Ancaps slightly less retarded little brother.

>>131152566
3pbp

>>131152427

I'm pretty Libertarian on most things now, as I always as, and An-Caps are DUM

Anarcho-capitalism is logically consistent libertarianism

>>131152427
No shit. Libertarianism is divided on ancap and minarchism.

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>>131154442
Nationalism for the rich

>>131152427
Libertarianism, is an oxymoron.

>hey we have this group of people, and if you are in a certain geographic region, they can steal your property at will, kill you at will and make you work for them 6 months a year for free.

>hurr durr we can get small government xD xD in this type of setup guys, just elect more rand pauls guys xD xD

>>131174269
Anarcho-capitalism is anarchism.
Minarchism is libertarianism.
Minarchism is the most liberal libertarianism.
A person more liberal than a minarchist is an anarchist.

>>131176105
>I'm an anarchist
>I let a few employers make the rules
National Anarchists are more anarchists than you

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>>131152427
Anarcho capitalism is the logical conclusion if you actually adhere the philosophy behind liberty universally. That said, I don't think a revolution is necessary so libertarianism is the best course of action.

>>131176899
A ancap revolution would lead to neo-con policies in the middle east any way.

>>131176500
Anarchists are against the existence of the State. National anarchists can't be more anarchist than other anarchists, cause it makes no sense.

>>131177265
Anarcho-capitalism will end up as a city state. It needs to in order to enforce courts and laws. All anarchists are delusional even the ancoms.

>Be me in ancapistan
>Licenses to own a court isn't a thing
>I own a police force
>I become judge jury and executioner.

>>131177540
Yep, anarchy will automatically lead to the appearance of a State.