Can we all agree that the baby boomers irreversibly fucked America up?

Yes.

>>131123627

Anybody that has voted Republican since 1980 has fucked up America. Trickle Down economics is the greatest scam ever.

The Boomers lit the fuse to destroy the working class by voting out of bitterness.

Millennials butthurt because they actually think boomers had it easy

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>>131123627
Yeah. Today's generation really knows what's up right? They're gonna fixed everything the boomers messed up aren't they?

>>131123627
sage

>>131123967
As if the Democrats are any better. Free your mind from the political charade you were born into. You want to know why the US is in the shitter? It is because of lemmings like you who rush off to the voting booth electing the same old gang of thieves thinking to yourself that 'this time will be different'.

>>131123967
Fuck off. Our money is either going to rich jews who want us all dead or it's going to dirt poor niggers who want us all dead. There's your two party system. It didn't matter who voted for who, that was always the plan

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>>131123967
Nah, progressives fucked me over much worse than any republican

>>131123627
And Gen X continued the fucking.

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Yes, the baby boomers who have voted in the elite and the elite themselves have indeed fucked this country, so we are fucked by default.

Endless war. Shitty healthcare. Abysmal public education. The struggles of the middle class.

You've been had.
You've been took.
You've been hoodwinked.
Bamboozled.
Led astray.
Run amok.

It's not irreversible though, my brothers. We will have our time and it's coming soon. The day of fire will soon arrive.

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>>131123627

>>131123627
Ayn rand was one of those. Anyways. Yeah probably but all of human history has been "the youth are shit". So now that that might not be the case in how long exactly. Nobody will care nor believe us. It all comes down to fiat "money" and Haavara

>>131123627

No, at most they benefitted from stuff that the "Greatest Generation" came up with that ended up fucking us over. Reminder: none of the baby boomers could vote when Hart-Cellar was passed, since the oldest part of the cohort was 20 and the voting age was 21. They had maybe three years worth of voters when most of really bad legislation fucked us over, and mostly voted for Prop 187 in California.

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>>131123627
It's their fault the unemployment rate is 42%

Boomercide when?

>>131123627

No. Jews did.

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>>131123967
nailed it

>>131123627

Their lack of morals is what's fucked us. Shoot all boomers.

>>131124668
Yes, the day on which all of you niggers are destroyed and we don't have to pay for your 20 children apiece and your never-ending welfare.

>>131123967
>>131124515
>>131124553
>Falling for the red or blue tie bullshit
Wake up brothers

>>131123627
They were the first to be truly indoctrinated by jews post-ww2. You cant blame them for the conditioning. They didnt even have internet or any way to tell they were being taught falsehoods or lied to in media nad if they noticed, they couldnt tell anyone or spread the news.

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>>131123967
guess what trump's plan is

>>131123627
>Boomers
>Not Jews and millenials
Anon I...

>>131123627
I enjoy getting my Social Security from you little shitheads even though you are adorned with "furry" but plugs and beer cans in your earlobes!

Can we all agree to sage spam?
>one-line
>one-post
>prompts a response
>presumes to survey or thought-lead, or build or attack a consensus
>no relevance
>no context
>no meaning

>>131123627

Yes

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>grow up in nice white society
>cuck the next generation out of it by bringing in tons of skitskins

thanks boomers you fucks

>>131123627
the greatest generation fucked America by allowing the jews to take control in the 60s-70s

>>131123967
>trickle down economics don't work
>posted from my consumer result of trillions of dollars of science and infotech
dumb faggot

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A minority consciously did it on purpose, the majority stood by and did nothing while it happened.

Now the country as a whole is old, fat, broke, mad, and everyone's pointing fingers at each other.

>>131123627
Greatest Gen did it first

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>>131125125
>confuses trickle down economics with technological innovation

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>>131124913
I'm sorry you can't see beyond skin color, brother.

You've already been lost to the indoctrination of Fox News/CNN/MSNBC/etc. The first thing is always skin/religion/social class. I hope you're granted a quick and merciful death when the fire spreads.

>>131123627
The "greatest" were the ones who passed the 1965 immigration act, so they're more to blame. I don't like generational D&C though.

>>131124806
Found you! *squeezes your cheeks* how are you my snookums sweetie pie leafbama poster??? *kisses you in forehead* are you ready to reply 50 times because you have no life?? *snuggles you dearly*

>>131123967
Actually trickle down economics works. When you lessen the worst tax rate on companies in the world (the US does this) then companies put those tax savings into their successful companies and hire more people. It isn't that hard.

>>131125053
What have millennials done in the past three decades to ruin this nation, my brother?

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>>131125331
>disgust

>>131123627
Boomers parents and grandparents fucked us far more than they did

>>131123627

Democracy itself leads to "free stuff" socialism, so America was doomed right from the start.

>>131124336
>Great
Well they overwhelmingly voted for Obama (twice) who ruined college tuition by giving colleges money and then the little bitches cry about it.
Fucking pussies. Go back into your safe space.

>>131123627
Yes. This isn't even up for debate. Fucking Boomers are the most greedy, selfish generation to ever scour the face of the earth.
They're like a fucking plague of locusts.
They consume everything in their path.
Slide and sage this shit, OP.
You're a faggot.

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>>131125386
Coporations make over $6 TRILLION a year in profits.

Only GOP establishment corporate shills think they don't have enough money.

>>131123967
>actually implying boomers vote republican

that's the generation before them, you utter retard

>>131124553
Social Security was never intended to get rich off of. It came about during the Great Depression as older people couldn't afford to retire which caused younger people to struggle with finding work. Cuts to Social Security spending has contributed to the epidemic of old people retiring and then working in fast food places and the growing young NEET population.
>>131123627
Yes
>>131123967
This, economic inequality has soared with ascent of these bullshit policies. Violent crime shot up during the 70s and 80s and only declined in the 90s and 2000s due to things like the 1994 Crime Bill. Violent crime is rising again and inequality keeps rising with it. I would love to see economic equality between all people just to show how niggers are still inherently more violent while violent crime committed by other races plummets to insignificant levels, but black crime should decrease significantly as well as to avoid white genocide but still give us an excuse for deportation/segregation.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-crime-statistics-released
http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/003465300559028
https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/sites/default/files/research-digest-violent-crime-final.pdf
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/073401689301800203

>>131123627
Hippies were the beginning of the end. They've been so glorified in the media since the 60's people look at being filthy degenerate protestors as heroes. That's how we got to the SJW state the world is in, and may implode upon itself as a result.
You want stuffed-shirt, law abiding, boring men running the place, not people trying to be edgy or sanctimonious. Even Trump is a "law and order" guy, he's just charismatic enough to make people like him (or hate him).

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>>131125641
>Social Security was never intended to get rich off of.
You progressives are the cause of economic inequality because you take 12% of my income and then have the gall to tell me this tax isn't intended to be something I could get rich off. All you give me is a promise that 41 years from know (if I survive that long) you will give me a paltry amount.

Read my graphic in it's entirety, I know you didn't read it. >>131124553

>>131124092
Somehow had higher wage jobs with just a HS diploma.
And cheeseburgers were a quarter bla bla bla.

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>>131125921
>You progressives are the cause of economic inequality

No you conservashits are because you keep slashing tax rates for your wealthy elite overlords >>131125010

Blaming boomers for your own failures. Typical.

They worked hard during their generation, so they should be allowed a peaceful retirement. You lazy fucks just want everything handed to you

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>>131124092
they did

>>131123627

Boomers are based faggit.

>>131126089
>>131125641
>lets take money from people their entire lives on the promise that we will provide them a shitty return on their money
>if they die, no one inherits their benefits
>if they die early, no one inherits that taxes they paid into the system
>this is a great system that will not impact the building of generational wealth at all
>wtf is with all this income inequality, it's as if the rich can tap into capital gains while the poor and middle class are forced into a shitty ponzi scheme known as social security

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>>131124782
Act tooally... in college they told us X'ers that the boomers were all moving into death/retirement age. Retirees by the girillions and guess who there won't be enough of to pay their "retirements." That's right!!!!!! SLAVeS... ~cough~ I mean workers. Sooo... we will need to bring in a gajillion immigrants. And then the Prof would say... "oh yeah, and that unwritten KT that US companies used to have with the workers ... ~cough~ I mean slaves... ( to get raises and vaycays and PTO's and promotions ending with a pension... NO. And Social Security... that won't exist when you get old. Have a nice life, suckers, because the debt will also be run up by your parents n grands.
.. And YOu will PAY!"

I got A's in those classes.

Boomers are terrible stewards of civilization.

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>>131126303
sounds like you're advocating for higher capital gains taxes

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>"It wasn't us" the whites say, "It's the niggers"
>"It wasn't us" the blacks say, "It's the Mexicans"
>It wasn't us" the Mexicans say, "It's the Muslims"
>"It wasn't us" the Muslims say, "It's the Jews"
>"It wasn't us" the Jews say, "It's the whites"

Fuck all of you in this thread bringing up race and religion. You know who the real problem is, and it's past time we fucking cleansed them from our nation and reach our real potential.

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>>131126089
Nigger, who raised these taxes?

>>131123627
Maybe, but younger generations aren't doing anything to make it better. A lot of them could've fought tooth and nail against (((them))), and many of them did, but at the end of the day you're more worried about making sure your family has a decent house to live in and your kids get braces to mount a full scale offensive against (((them))). Anyone on here with the nerve to blame boomers needs to look in the fucking mirror.

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>>131126599
you're making my point for me. payroll taxes have had to make up the difference due to tax cuts on the rich and corporate tax cuts (via loopholes)

>>131126421
You dumb leaf, higher capital gains tax won't give me a better return. A higher capital gains won't mean my progeny can inherit my social security benefits. All a higher capital gains means if I want to tap into capital gains I get taxed more.

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>>131123627
>Can we all agree that the baby boomers irreversibly fucked America up?
Are you saying it wasn't da juice?

>>131126599
thx for this chart. the real problem is the caps on the left. lift the cap. people making $500k, $1 million, $50 million a year should be paying those taxes as well. right now they're capped at the limits you see there. Democrats have been talking about this for decades.

>>131126453
Just forget it. nu/pol/ is completely cucked and would rather attack symptoms of the parasite (Niggers and Muslims) instead of the actual parasite itself (the Jews).

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>>131125053
yes, boomers

They (and their parents, who are so proud that they "saved the world" by destroying the nazis) oversaw the civil rights movement, desegregation, abolition of immigration quotas, loss of traditional religion and culture, massive third world immigration, jobs moving to China, endless shilling of the equality and diversity memes, financialization of the economy, massive increases in gibs, government jobs being given to unqualified minorities, increases in racism against them and their children, massive increases in government debt and the cost of tuition, quota hiring for corporations, bailouts creating zombie corporations, and 4 or 5 useless wars. Oh, they also forgot to breed and create families because they were busy having too much fun.

Many millennials couldn't even vote or do anything until the crash of 2008, by which time the major happening doom spiral was almost all but locked in. Now 70% of the adult population is overweight or obese, kids can't get summer high school jobs, "real" jobs or afford to buy overpriced houses, foreigners are eating our lunch and buying everything up, whites are a scapegoat and a punching bag for every single problem yet most white boomers will still say racism is bad, and US debt is approaching $20T and still bogged down in wars.

It's all bad

>>131126718
I love how you think that somehow if American retirees could have just put their retirement money into Enron, Lehman Bros, Bear Sterns, etc.. then America would have been better off.

If Bush had privatized Social Security in 2005, America would have probably completely collapsed in 2008. Harry Reid saved America. God bless

Too stupid to realize their parents were tricked into fighting the wrong side of WWII

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>>131126421
Capital gains tax is a tax on inflation. A tax on a tax.

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>>131127005
>good goy
>my billionaire friends shouldn't have to pay dividend taxes either
>serve me

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>>131126690
No, it's because progressives like the KKK pushed for prohibition and got rid of Excise taxes

>>131124448

>As if the Democrats are any better.
>implying >>131123967 said anything about democrats
>Free your mind from the political charade you were born into.

oh the irony

>>131126968
Your evil as fuck. That's a fucking strawman and you know it. >>131124553

You don't give two shits about the middle class nor the poor.

>>131124448
>saying x is worse in order to defend y
Why do republitards always use this shit argument?

>>131124092
>average min wage job in 1970 would buy a house in 3 years
>average min wage job in 2010 would buy a house in 15 years

you could be a functional retard in the 60s and 70s and still score a house, a wife, a car, full medical insurance, ect on a shit ass job that had no competition and no prerequisites.

many of those fucking jobs dont even exist anymore.

>>131123627

can we all agree that OP is a fag?

>>131126968
I know you fucking post graphics of the stock market under Obama, yet with the same breath you now say privatized social security is a bad thing. You don't give two shits about the poor or middle class.

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>>131126893
>Oh, they also forgot to breed and create families because they were busy having too much fun.

If only.
Boomers have aborted one third of millenials.
Boomercide is no joke. We must discuss the logistics of it.

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>>131127088
did u look at this chart properly? >>131126690

>brings up the kkk

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>>131127155
Yes I do.

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>>131127285
(((you))) keep your grubby hands off the Social Security Trust fund

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>>131127360
Why do you hate the poor and middle class? Why do you excuse progressive failures like social security?

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>>131127502
I'm glad to see you suddenly support a $15/hour min wage. This is a big turnaround.

>>131123967
>Trickle Down economics is the greatest scam ever
More like the greatest strawman ever. 30 years later and you shitlib retards still bleat on as if it were an actual economic policy.

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>>131127502
>Golden Age of the American middle class had a strong Democratic Congress

wew

>>131123967
Fuck off retard.

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>>131127665
It is the actual GOP economic policy.


It's so bad that you dindus have to deny it even exists now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics

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>>131127490
You're a piece of shit who denies the poor and middle class the capability to build generational wealth and then have the gall to claim you're "helping" them.

You will never answer these questions.
What happens to social security taxes paid if I die?
Do my children get it?
What if the same money was invested, who gets it then?

>>131123627
>useless dumb NEET thinking its the "boomers" fault that he failed at life

Take control of your life faggot.

>>131127665

every time i hear 'trickle down economics' i picture some balding nerd who smells like fungus that hasn't had a happy thought since the 70's

>>131127588
>>131127791
You do know even if you get paid min wage, you still have to pay the full social security tax right?

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>>131127791
When the poor are making $15/hour they are more than welcome to invest in the stock market.

You're the shill who wants them working for $7.50 per hour. They can't afford to invest.

>>131127849
picture this instead u retard >>131125010

>>131127691
Hey, isn't it odd in your "golden age" the social security tax was minimal? >>131126599

Looks like it's proof that social security taxes are the cause of our economic woes.

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>>131124092
Milennials are butthurt because they want everything handed to them on a plate. The lazy little bastards have no concept of work and reward.

>>131127900
and who the fuck is stopping them from investing in the stock market u lunatic? that's my point

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>>131123627
>damn why don't we have more kids
>hates baby boomers

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>>131123627
Yes OP they sold off the assets for their own Soc. to niggers, and now it's time for them to collect with out anything in the bank. Bad things about to happen, No way to make it right!

>>131127914
You're just avoiding the issue because you have no capability to dispute the argument. The $15 min wage is simply a ploy by the Silicon valley oligarchs to create a need for their automation.

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>>131128019
No, it's this actually

>>131127914
>I'll just keep spamming the same bullshit that has been proven false many times and gone completely unanswered by me
you are a pox upon /pol/

>>131128048
The social security ponzi scheme they are forced to pay in.

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>>131125080
OF ALL THE FUCKING TIMES IN HUMAN HISTORY I HAD TO BE BORN DURING OUR DOWNFALL. FUCKING HELL.

>>131127782
The actual policy is called supply side economics and is actually bears little resemblance to your cherished MUH TRICKLE DOWN myth. It wasn't even an original strawman, the shitlibs had to appropriate what Bush Sr. termed "voodoo economics" when running against Reagan and of course had to insert their fetish into the equation as they always do.

>>131128199
lol ahaha u love the poor by having them for work starvation wages?

god i love exposing u shills

wtf i hate 2.8% unemployment now >>131127391

Put aside your petty grievances /pol/. Stand hand and hand; whites and blacks, and let us fucking pile every single Boomer body we can get our hands on and light the biggest fire the world has ever seen!

Fuck your ethnicity!
Fuck your religion!
Fuck your sexual orientation!
Stand together!
Kill the baby-boomers!

>>131123627

>irreversibly

Nope, we don't agree.

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>>131128303
You think it prevents people from investing in the stock market? lol

it's well known that the nationalist Social Security Trust Fund is the ultimate holy grail for (((them)))

i see who you're shill for

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>>131128320
It's the appropriate term for the shitty ideology that Republicans and their cuck voters have worshiped for 30+ years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics

>>131123627
We've got this. We are about to enter the 4th industrial revolution.it will be massive.
If accepted it'll be tons of trillions in effort. Boomers left all the infrastructure in ruins, it all has to be rebuilt from the ground up.
If rejected it'll mean obsolescence immediately.

>>131123627
no

>>131127176
Stupid leaf, read it again.
The implication is BOTH ARE EQUALLY SHIT.

>>131125291
My grandma voted for Goldwater and Nixon. She cried when Nixon resigned.

>>131123967
anybody who voted since 1980 for anything but a 3rd party has fucked up america
you are keeping together the jewish system of bad and worse candidates
destroy the working class?
what the fuck are you talking about?

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>>131128263
I see the correlation indeed

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>>131127234
No, but I'm definitely sure you're a cock smoker.

>>131126453
blacks used to be with us, but in the 70s the jews committed cultural genocide against, just as they were about to build up into their own
now they glorify thug bullshit and pretend the black panthers were ever liked by anyone (and that they weren't a terror group)

>>131123627
>Can we all agree that the baby boomers irreversibly fucked America up?

Yup. Fucking hippies still don't realize they were created by the CIA to break the US labor movement and make slavery great again.

You want to know what "the problem" is? It's neoliberalism, and ((them)).

>>131126303
That's cause the gap between tax brackets have declined over the years. We need to increase taxes on the rich.
"hurr but the rich already pay the highest taxes!"
The fact of the matter Is the tax rates for top earners has been decreased more and more leading to a lot of money not being circulated and the Federal Reserve not printing more than what gets lost or destroyed or hoarded by the rich in proportion to total population. Not to mention (((interests rates))) with the use of fractional reserve banking,
>progeny
>thinking intrinsically worthless fiat currency is something worth being passed down when more can just be printed and circulated with ease (if only we reformed the fed)

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>>131128880
Boomercide!
Deus vult!

>>131128822
lol you're seeing things that aren't there

Wall Street pays shills because they want to get (((their))) hands on the trillions in the nationalist Social Security Trust Fund.

>>131129058
>nationalist
lol what
national* buddy

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>>131129027
>We need to increase taxes on the rich.

no goy!

how dare you say such a thing

>>131128596
That's not the implication tho. "as if dems are better" that implies that we should be happy with the shit we have now because dems are worse

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>>131128444
You're a peice of shit because you have yet to read this >>131124553
You never answered these questions either >>131127791

Progressives are pure garbage because their counterproductive policies prevent generational wealth from being built up, yet they are so dogmatically convinced they are the good guys.

>>131125010
So, you are angry that people making $50,000 aren't getting a $200,000 reduction in their taxes?

>>131126128
a wild faggot appears and it looks to an aging liberal hippy douche at that

>>131128596
>voting for (((first parties)))
>not waiting till the inevitable civil war so we can institute nat soc military fascism

>>131123627
No, it started with the silent generation.

>>131129176
Read the WHOLE post, leaf.

>>131129058
>give me $1 today and I'll give you $1.2 in 40 years
>that's not a good deal I want to invest in the stock market
>you don't have a choice pal, progressives wanted this and they will defend it no matter what

>>131129250
No I want GOP shills to explain why they think millionaires need tax breaks.

>>131123627
you need to make an example of them. the fattest shittiest most currupt generation on earth. they need to become slave labour on mere principle just to start redeeming their parasitical destruction of the earth.

>>131129330

It all started with Descartes, tbqh.

nope unions did

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>>131129235
>You never answered these questions either

I'm Canadian so I can't possibly be an expert on everything American even though I do know more about your country than u retards ever will, but aren't Social Security Survivor benefits passed on to the next of kin?

Why do you want to keep poor people on starvation wages but yet you expect them to be able to invest in the stock market?

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Boomer here. Old enough to remember all of the items in the picture plus more.

Ask me anything about the 70's and the 80's

>>131126690
>you're making my point for me. payroll taxes have had to make up the difference due to tax cuts on the rich and corporate tax cuts (via loopholes)

Most of these people are either in on the gag, or barely comprehend basic math. They dumbed down our schools, and promoted tall dumbasses as "supervisors". They elevated people too stupid to catch on to the gag into positions of authority.

You're wasting your breath on these people. They still think they got where they are through muh competishun. They don't realize they were just judas goats being used to break the country so they could install a hereditary plutocracy.

>>131127391
The source for your meme image is a tweet. You also ignore any posts pointing that out.

>>131129027
>thinking intrinsically worthless fiat currency is something worth being passed down when more can just be printed and circulated with ease (if only we reformed the fed)
You arn't passing down just fiat money you're passing down investments you would have made with the money if you weren't taxed. That's literally what social security is. You give in $1 in fiat today and then 40 years from now I get $1.2 in fiat. How the fuck is this a good policy?

None of you read this graphic >>131124553
If you did, you'd realize I specifically crunch the numbers for what if the lowest quintile of Americans had invested their social security taxes into the S&P500.

>>131126421
Everything you post is evidence to the contrary of your words.
Are you really this dumb?

>>131129643
They're not even people. They're right wing retards.

>>131127914
Or, bear with me here, you can get a better job besides McDonalds.

>>131129683
Actually you're the one who ignores it every time I fucking give you the BLS link

https://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.wa_seattle_md.htm

>>131129643
Do you retards seriously think payroll tax is the result of Republicans?
You faggots keep circle-jerking, yet none of you have made any argument disputing >>131124553

>>131123627
yep

>>131129516
>Why do you want to keep poor people on starvation wages but yet you expect them to be able to invest in the stock market?

Because you fucking know most min wage jobs will be automated within the next decade.

>leddit in thread unironically supports corporitism

>>131129736
No it isn't.

Hillary was going to raise taxes on the rich. >>131126421


Are you really this dumb?

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>>131130044
not just min wage jobs

now you're advocating for UBI?

>>131126089
Low corp/wealthy taxes work great but not when we also have a hyper regulated market that gives endless advantages to big companies and punishes the little guy. That's why republican policies always result in more debt. You can't have it both ways. I'd prefer we follow Charles Koch on this, but there's too much corruption on the right, and the left absolutely loathes the Koch brothers because they stand for taking away gibmedats and instead creating an environment that allows human economic flourishing. I mean think about if we didn't have all these dumb regulations. Right now you literally need like 10,000 investment to become a barber. There are endless jobs just like that which if not for all the red tape, people could gain entry and carve out a decent living instead of living on the dole and slinging bags of weed and maybe working part time at Walmart.

>>131129361
It's worse than that. If you factor in medicaid you're paying for health insurance for niggers and retards, while you're still on the hook to buy your own health insurance.

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>>131130071
that would be (((pol)))

billionaire globalists command and these GOP shills obey

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>>131130156
>Low corp/wealthy taxes work great

found you in pic >>131129147

>>131130226
pol isn't gop
only nupol and donald
I only advocate capitalism as a last resort, but these fucking underage morons are advocating corporatism
I bet they are pro copyright and patenting too

>>131130284
Typical faggot leaf. Can only comprehend one fucking line of that entire post before spewing a reddit liberal talking point. Fucking neck yourself. You don't belong here

>>131130153
Privatized social security is UBI. If everyone in this country is forced to invest, then they will gradually build up enough assets to live off investment income. Within a few generations, we'd have a UBI.

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>>131129926
You mean the one that ignores seasonal employment and actual population numbers to manipulate the unemployment rate?

>>131130342
(((pol))) is essentially a GOP establishment shill board from what I can see

>>131129693
>You arn't passing down just fiat money you're passing down investments you would have made with the money if you weren't taxed.
Soooo...not Social Security benefits from what-if money. Social Security exists for good reason and you don't have to receive benefits. You don't have to fund it either if you simply do something that doesn't entail payroll tax. You're not being forced to deal with it.

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>>131130417
what happens when the stock market crashes?

>>131130417
>>131128263
Leaf, here's a question. How do you think the top quintile had their incomes rise so much? It's because of capital gains. You see progressive retards think this means we need to increase capital gains tax, but what it really means is progressives fucked up utterly by not privatizing social security and letting the lower and middle class tap into capital gains.

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>tfw waiting for the boomer sell off to buy the dip
any moment now

Give me some proof that we "fucked it up" for you guys.
We gave you everything.

>>131123627
Somewhat yes. But you have millionaires/billionaires today that hide shit overseas to dodge taxes. You have the wealthy continuing to give each other tax cuts. You have fairly stagnant wages/salaries while the cost of housing and living expenses continue to rise. Idk exactly who's feed I would lay that blame but the financial status in this country is getting a bit more and more fucked. I say that as not some lazy, poor GIBS but someone working a job I love making very decent money.

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>>131130510
lol holy shit are you retarded?

It doesn't ignore seasonal employment.

Seasonally adjusted means it smoothes the results so there aren't wild swings from month to month. For example there are always huge employment booms in November and December for Christmas season. Then there are dead months. So the numbers are seasonally adjusted. Lol you retards don't have the first fucking clue about BLS stats. Call the BLS on Monday and ask them nicely to explain it to you.

The unemployment rate isn't manipulated. Even Trump admitted it. pic rel

He just told u retards that it was 42% because he knows u morons will believe anything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np40ayMJI1Y

>>131130520
Then get the fuck outta here, dirty leaf

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>>131130510
>right wing retard doesn't know what seasonally adjusted means

see >>131130784

>>131130520
lurk moar newfag, we are a natsoc fascist board
GOP is a bunch of cucks and jews
anyone who supports them supports economics that since Wilson (solidifyed by LBJ) has been entirely speculation based and if not stopped will crash and collapse society
nupol seriously needs to kys

>>131130566
>what happens when the stock market crashes?
Don't you gloat how Obama raised the stock market 3x, why are you such a disingenuous piece of shit?

>>131130784
You can't even read your own source.

>>131129355
>expecting shart to be capable of critical thought
man I guess I am retarded

>>131130602
>It's because of capital gains.

Not just because of capital gains. They also have much higher incomes. You think someone making $7.50 per hour makes the same income as somone making $1 million per year?

it's not just cap gains kiddo.

but ya it is fucked up that cap gains and dividends are taxed LOWER than income. That is fucked up. It should be the other way around imo but you GOP shills always fight against that.

I strongly supported the Buffett rule but of course Republicans killed it.

GOP always protect the billionaires.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffett_Rule

>>131130542
>>131130520
>You don't have to fund it either if you simply do something that doesn't entail payroll tax.
What kinda retarded shit is this? I worked as a self-employed programmer and I was on the hook for the full 15.3% rate.
>You're not being forced to deal with it.
Look just cause you're a neet that lives off mommy's money doesn't mean she or I arn't screwed over by social security tax

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>>131130784
>>131130836
>Leaf forgot to change his id

>>131130392
lol u lost me right there

i did read the rest

the kochs are fucking billionaires who combined are worth over $120 billion and yet they put money into campaigns fighting AGAINST raising the min wage from $7.50 per hour. they are the biggest scumbags on the planet so yeah of course they are Republicans

>>131124092
you can't deny everything was better back in the 60's, cars, cinemas, clothes, religion, well paid jobs, industries, fridges etc
At least here everything went downhill since then.

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>>131130895
Trump took office and magically the numbers aren't phony anymore

u have no arguments

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But what can be done? Don't simply say "vote democrat" or "vote republican" because at this point if voters can't see that those parties don't give a flying fuck about you idk what to say. There is too much money in politics and the two main parties seem to be too powerful to be able to be ousted via voting.

>>131131086
>>131131086
No I didn't. I was laughing at you. You don't know that 93 gorillion is my top filename?

>>131131110
Stop working jobs for teens and niggers. Plain and simple.

>>131131178
This is about your shitty source, not Trump.

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>>131131231
>merely pretending to be retarded
Try not to suck off a dog today, champ.

>>131130987
Case in point why progressives are stupid as fuck.
If you read this >>131124553 (you still haven't) you'd see that the lowest quintile makes less than full-time at federal min wage 7.25. I literally show you how a person making min wage their whole life could become half-a millionaire if they were forced to invest rather than paying social security taxes. However, because progressives hate the poor and want them to stay poor forever they deny them this opportunity. Stop pretending you care about the middle class or poor.

>>131129585
Did you experience anything similar to what millennials are experiencing that society and the media blamed you for but that you rightfully blamed your parents or grandparents for?

>>131131255
SO you support a $15/hour min wage for people over 18?

I've never seen GOP corporate shills more triggered by a 2.8% unemployment rate btw >>131127391

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>>131131425
You're the one actually being retarded. Trump splerged for years that the unemployment rate was 42% then as soon as he took office he said it was real again.

>>131131512
You've already stated those jobs will be automated, why are you so disingenuous?

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>>131130879
>>131131429
you ignored this question tho >>131130566

what happens when the stock market crashes?


The whole point of the SSTF is to have a retirement fund safe from stock market volatility and also provide a backstop for the almighty USD

>>131123627
>Can we all agree that the baby boomers irreversibly fucked America up?
Their parents, aka The Cuckest Generation, fucked up Europe then ran home and became the worst parents imaginable giving us the shittiest generation known as "boomers."

Sure, boomers are trash, but their filthy worthless WW2 parents should have just stayed in Europe and died over there.

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>>131131645
All those jobs? No. I don't know what jobs specifically will be automated but unlike you GOP corporate shills, I have no problem with your billionaire globalist overlords paying hard working Americans a decent wage.

>>131131716
If the stock market crashed, they'd still be fine because they have an entire lifetime of savings. Then afterwards, and you've said this yourself the stock market will rise.
> safe from stock market volatility
So basically, because of a minor contraction twice a decade, all the potential gains from the stock market should be ignored. The government should just forcefully take $1 from taxpayers today, and give them $1.2 in 40 years?

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>>131131716

and the boomers' retirements are all tied up in stawks due to getting tax breaks on them via (((401ks)))

and that's why they were complacent with robbing the country via TARP when their siiiiiiiiick gains stawks finally popped

>>131132045
what if they put all their retirement money in Bear Stearns and Lehman Bros?

>>131131814
Tell me if social security is such a massive failure, why should I support min wage, another progressive idea?

>>131132116
>putting entire retirement fund into one stock
We can force them to diversify.

>>131132179
Lol. If you care about the poor why do you want to keep them poor and working on starvation wages?You see. It is YOU after all who truly does not care about the poor.

>>131131814
>hurrr if I say something retarded maybe someone will validate me on the internet
Have a reply you low test reject.

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>>131132272
>We can force them to diversify.

STOP RIGHT THERE.

That sounds like big gubmint talk.

What are you some kind of progressive?

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>>131132320

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>>131132045

the stock market points do not adjust for inflation. every time "a new high!" is reached, it's a nominal high, not a real high.

notice how this never gets mentioned on the finance TV shows / newspapers

>>131132475
good point

they're just Dow points

>>131123627
No

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>>131132342
I think I broke him.

>>131132284
You said many times that automation is coming, especially for min wage jobs. I want people to have investment income to fall back on, not be 100% dependent on the state. Furthermore, investments can be passed down to children after death, social security benefits are not passed down unless you are a minor then you get a paltry amount from the government.
If everyone is invested into the automation industry then the entire country can survive on a UBI based soley out of investment income.

>>131132475
>>131132532
So what, even if not adjusted for inflation it still beats what social security offers right now see >>131124553

>>131132342
>That sounds like big gubmint talk.
Why do you care?

>>131123627

yeah but you neet fags are gonna be even worse, free porn, legal weed, fapping and vidya have reduced you all to subhumans

>>131132643
How the fuck are people making $7 per hour ever going to have enough investment income to retire? SS tax or not.

btw, I'm Obama Leaf. Not Social Security Leaf. I see you splerg that autismo compilation in every thread but why are you taking up this debate with me?

>>131124553

social security is an insurance program, not an investment retirement program, conservatards cant understand a simple concept like that and keep pushing this idiot hannity tier meme

>>131132803
>How the fuck are people making $7 per hour ever going to have enough investment income to retire? SS tax or not.
CAN YOU NOT READ
>>131131429
>you'd see that the lowest quintile makes less than full-time at federal min wage 7.25. I literally show you how a person making min wage their whole life could become half-a millionaire if they were forced to invest rather than paying social security taxes.

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>>131132643

UBI will never replace other forms of welfare in a democracy.

There will guaranteed be people who accuse UBI promoters of trying to put poor people on the streets, make grandma eat catfood, and deny healthcare to children no matter how much UBI promoters say they will get in return.

In Democracy, it's extremely difficult to make sensible law due to the ad-hoc, agglutinative nature of interest group legislation.

If UBI comes, it will be in conjunction with the old welfare - not as its replacement. And it will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

>>131132795

>be boomershits
>repeal obscenity laws
>normalize drug use
>create video games
Hurr durr subhuman millenials

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>>131132791
>Why do you care?

Well if you're a big gubmint progressive who wants to control how people invest their money, shouldn't you be honest about that?

>>131132964
lowest quintile does not equal min wage worker man cmon now

Wouldn't a much easier solution be to tax capital gains and dividends higher and personal income lower? Not to mention lift the caps >>131126599
so millionaires are paying their taxes on this shit

>>131133026
>There will guaranteed be people who accuse UBI promoters of trying to put poor people on the streets, make grandma eat catfood, and deny healthcare to children no matter how much UBI promoters say they will get in return.

I feel you, it is so hard to get progressives to acknowledge how much the poor and middle class would benefit from social security partial privatization.

>>131133214
Perhaps workers should be forced to invest in the stock related to their industry, in that way the workers will in fact eventually come to own the means of production.

>>131132964
You're completely ignoring history. When SS was created nobody thought the stock market would go up indefinitely, in fact it was pretty much stagnant for decades at a time. Stocks were not seen as way to get rich until the 80s.

>>131125641
There is so much wrong with this post.

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>>131133026

A single mother of two has all the time in the world to gallop about in a vagina hat and protest her new $2k/month salary she would then get after losing the sum of her other gibs.

You poor wagecucks have it so bad you don't realize how much free shit these people are getting from the state.

Sure UBI makes sense - in fantasyland abstracted from human reality. Just like communism makes sense - in fantasyland abstracted from human reality.

>>131133361
>tax capital gains and dividends higher
>personal income lower
This just makes a person dependent on labor, however, with automation on the horizon why should I make the assumption I will be able to sell my labor 20 years from now?
>Not to mention lift the caps >>131126599 (You)
so millionaires are paying their taxes on this shit
Whether millionaires pay taxes or not doesn't change the situation I am in. I don't want people to be dependent on the government, I want the people themselves to own a slice of the pie.

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>>131133480
>Perhaps workers should be forced to invest in the stock related to their industry, in that way the workers will in fact eventually come to own the means of production.

They'll never be able to compete with the billionaire globalists who thanks to conservashits, already rule the stock market

>>131133652
The UBI I advocate is the investment income derived from forcing people to invest their social security taxes instead of paying them directly to the federal government. Because wealth is passed on to children, within a few generations every person will be inheriting investments and able to live off investment income.

>>131133674
If automation is around the corner, I don't see how you can possibly claim a min wage worker is going to have enough time to accumulate investment income to survive retirement

follow the money >>131133727

>>131123967
>Trickle Down economics is the greatest scam ever.

Both sides have been full neolib retard economically for so long it no longer matters. We've been screwed since the day Nixon depegged the dollar. All that open borders bullshit just made everything worse.

>>131123967
The Federal Reserve fucked up the country, not any specific class of voters. Gotta slap the golden handcuffs back on the government.

>>131124806
This is more a chart of the fed raising and lowering interest rates.

>>131134012
no it isnt

u win the most retarded post in this thread

>>131134052
>Said the leaf

>>131127665
>you shitlib retards still bleat on as if it were an actual economic policy

It was and still is US economic policy. It's literally welfare for billionaires and trust fund babies. That's all neoliberal economics ever was. You're a judas goat, goy. Get over it.

>>131133824
>>131133727
None of the taxation you advocate will deal with these billionaires. They are already billionaires. You could raise income tax to 100%, but it wouldn't affect them. Likewise for capital gains.

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>>131134392
during this entire massive drop in the budget deficit, there wasn't 1 change in the fed rate

>>131134513
now you're suggesting a wealth tax? I'm not adverse.

>>131123627
What fucked up America is white people just stopped having kids.

>>131134513
>You could raise income tax to 100%, but it wouldn't affect them.

it would affect them. it would tax their income. i'm not advocating for a 100% income tax btw. nothing close.

but unlike the GOP shills on here, i sure as shit dont think the wealthy elites need tax cuts >>131125010

>>131123627
I would unironically love If all boomers died right about now, Id even let go my mother for the greater good, not kidding

>>131134534
oh until dec 2015

if u wanna be anal about it

>>131134710
A billionaire is already a billionaire, if you tax his income he still remains a billionaire.

>>131134710
The thing with taxing the rich is that it's a red herring. Cutting their taxes won't do much good, it's partially privatizing social security that needs to be done. Trickle down doesn't work without protectionism making sure all the investment is done locally. However, the crux of it is that the poor and middle class should be able to tap into the massive growth that capital gains has facilitated.

>>131130685
>tfw waiting for the boomer sell off to buy the dip

tfw the boomers imported tons of chinks to sell to

>>131135304
Here's the thing though, if you just depend on taxing the rich it makes you dependent on there being rich to tax. This vulnerability could be catastrophic if the rich decide to simply leave which they can easily do in this globalized world. We can only ensure long-term longevity if every person in America has an investment portfolio that grants them an income.

>>131127914
You do understand that surplus never existed, the only reason it was "projected" is because they reclassified some of the public debt as intergovernmental holdings. The natinal debt increased every year of his presidency, an impossibility if your running a surplus

TLDR: Government relabeled expected SSI income to pay off the debt calling it a surplus.

>>131127791
>You're a piece of shit who denies the poor and middle class the capability to build generational wealth and then have the gall to claim you're "helping" them.

Both sides have been doing that hardcore since Reagan left office.

Don't fall for the phony left/right thing.

>>131128041

You're a lying sack.

>>131129270
Wow, nice counter

typical millennial blaming everyone else but themselves. It's never your fault, is it? It's those dang boomers!

>>131128280
>you are a pox upon /pol/

Done. With. Your. Lies.

>>131128320
>The actual policy is called supply side economics

It was and still is regressive horse manure. Most whites aren't even buying your BS anymore. Enjoy your stack, judas goat goy.

>>131123627
yes.

>>131123627
Yes Steve, agree completly!

>>131125635
The top number is 2 trillion on the graph, where did you get your 6 trillion, you fucking leaf kike?

Fucking leaf posters are worse than cancer on /pol/ kys.

>>131127391
Dumbass leaf, do you even realize the negatives of min wage? Do you even know its racist origins? No, you are just being a cringy retard coming from reddit econ threads and repeating same shit over and over. Wow. IQ 300 confirmed. KYS

>>131134950
You must be quite old if your mother is a boomer

>>131137489
Are you fucking retarded? Add up the 4 quarterly numbers what do u get? >>131125635

Why are you such a corporate shill?

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>>131138062
oh noes hard working Americans will make a little more money.. nothing triggers u conservashits more than higher wages and lower unemployment

>>131123627
I agree. Fuck them, we are stronger.

>>131128545
>We are about to enter the 4th industrial revolution.it will be massive.

Most of it will not take place on US soil unless we get tariffs or huge subsidies. It's probably going to take place in China and to a lesser degree in Japan.

US will specialize in healthcare/pharma, IT/programming, agriculture, housing corporate HQ, and energy/mining. You notice there are few or no infrastructure bills making it through congress? Looks like ((they)) are planning to do away with most of it, resettle everyone in big regional cities, and take away the personal transportation.

Everybody took their eye off the ball while they lived it up back in the 80s & 90s. We have some very serious problems now and massive headwinds to bringing any kind of manufacturing back not least of which is that the "investor class" doesn't want it.

>>131129330
>No, it started with the silent generation.

That is true. They're even worse than the boomers, tbqh.

>>131129368
>No I want GOP shills to explain why they think millionaires need tax breaks.

They think they're all going to be entrepreneurs and revitalize small business ownership, and start the industries of the future. They don't realize ((they)) aren't having any of that here anymore. If anyone gets to start a new industry, it will only be by ((their)) sanction, and ((they)) will get the biggest cut.

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>>131139553
yup

>>131123627
Yes, but hopefully it's not reversible.

>>131127060
capital gains and dividends are two completely separate things

>>131123627

>>131133952

GET IN HERE

>>131129693
>You give in $1 in fiat today and then 40 years from now I get $1.2 in fiat.

Nearly everyone ends up collecting several multiples of what they put into SS back in the way of SSRI payments and medicare benefits.

The stock market and the housing ponzi really only benefitted the boomers. It's been a huge drag on Gen X and millenials. Home ownership and business formation rates are cratering because we can't accumulate any capital. There's no margin left services because of the mass immigration wave. You didn't pay it forward like the previous generations did for you.

>>131126165
is that you obamaleaf? now you want higher median household income?

>>131123627
Not irreversibly, no. They didn't actually do anything new and didn't vote differently than any other group. They just voted for themselves and they happened to be the biggest group so they always got their way. Throw in some great economic times and you see why they did so well. They're no different from millennials who vote for whoever will benefit them the most at the expense of everyone else.

>>131140099
ya no shit u retard. what part didn't u understand?

>>my billionaire friends shouldn't have to pay dividend taxes either

>either

what does either mean?

>>131126421
>no corporate proposals
of course not
just more tax and spend

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>>131140358
correct

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>>131140427
Republicans are tax cut and spend which always ends in disaster.

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>>131123627
No. Our parents trusted politicians too much. But opportunity still exists and determined people can make it in America.

So go blame someone else for being a faggot

>>131124806
>absolutely nothing else happened during these periods
>what is false equivalency

>>131126690
the corporate tax rate only affects mom and pop businesses, as large companies have the legal ability to dodge taxes and find loopholes

your real argument is
>HEY! The government isn't cutting spending in line with tax cuts! We need to cut spending now!!!

>>131140443
the economy always lags policy

>>131123627
>Can we all agree that the baby boomers irreversibly fucked America up?
> Implying it wasn't liberals (Marxists) that fucked up America

Top fucking kek

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>>131140676
>the corporate tax rate only affects mom and pop businesses,

>as large companies have the legal ability to dodge taxes and find loopholes

Look I get that u right wing retards are billionaire globalist shillcucks, but why is the answer with u corporate fucks never to crack down on tax evasion and loopholes

>>131123627
Irreversibly?

Stop complaining and go be great you fucking cuck.

Turn yourself into a powerhouse.

>make $50k a year
>have an apartment to myself
>basic car that's paid off
>don't spend like a pharaoh
>just necessities and a few beers now and then
>cook own meals
>don't drive far for work
>barely save 15% of each cheque due to cost of living expenses alone

This is all I've ever known. Was there truly some fabled time when a man could have a decent lifestyle and put away some savings without living like a complete hermit?

>>131140777

they call them self's progressives
> while really being regressive

>>131141143
That doesnt add up.

>>131140413
Lower taxes overall is a good thing, cuckboi.

>>131140485
Wait for massive trimming of US public service. Massive redistribution to the states. Watch.

>>131124092
It wasn't "easy" but boomers actually got paid money of actual value and could support a family.

Adjust prices for inflation and there's no denying.

>ITT: Retards who don't understand the reality of increasing tax on the rich think it accomplishes anything aside from REDUCING tax revenue

If you charge me 50 cents on the dollar in tax and it costs me 30 cents on the dollar to hire a jew accountant who hides all my money offshore, I pay zero tax, period. In 1904 the US tax code was 408 pages long, today it's nearly A HUNDRED THOUSAND PAGES long. Tax rates are totally irrelevant for as long as the tax code is a bloated monster full of loop holes.
The multinationals that don't pay tax are the ones who LOBBY for more tax regulations, exceptions, and further bloat to the code. The more obtuse the tax code is the easier it is to avoid paying tax at all.

Reduce tax across the fucking board to a top end of 25% and throw the entire US tax code in the furnace as start from scratch, tax code to itself be audited regularly. All rules added to the tax code should EXPIRE after 10 years to prevent deprecated regulations staying on the books.

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>>131123627
They definitely fucked up America, but it's not irreversible.

>>131124336
This.

Gen x and y are exceptionally poor quality people for the most part.

I've met about 5 people of my generation that I would go to war and die for, out of about maybe 500.

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What is "ADJUST FOR INFLATION" ? ? ? ?

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

>>131143188
You can only blame the Jews so much for that.

>>131140847
what do you think lowering the corporate tax rate is? It's cracking down on tax evasion and loop holes.
>>131140802
Bush dumped 700 billion into the economy, I guess you agree with what Bush did too. Talk about being a corporate shillcuck! You think its fine and dandy we had to prop up a bunch of banks.

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>>131123627
(((Baby Boomers)))

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>>131143964
>what do you think lowering the corporate tax rate is? It's cracking down on tax evasion and loop holes.

no it isn't it's giving your billionaire globalist heroes more tax breaks they don't need

how cucked are you?

1955 Boomer here.
Trump is a boomer.
Help is on the way.

Think of me the next time you say motherfucker, because there's a chance you are correct

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>>131144138
If you adjust minimum wage for inflation since 1972 it would be at least $40 per hour. This is why people can afford houses back then. Even with unskilled jobs and one person earning. These days thats just impossible. Its undeniable.

I'm not even for a mandatory minimum wage, Im just against stealing from your own population through inflation.

Wages keeping up with inflation would mean that there are enough houses being built above the water in you totally unscientific analogy.

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>>131144138
Also, EVERY JOB in the public sector generates less than it costs to pay them. They are net tax recipients.

They are basically on gibbs, they just have to turn up for 40hrs per week.

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EVERYDAY a boomer has worked in the last decades, they have come home to a poorer nation. They have not been working, they have been indebting.

Debt is not wealth.

>>131144665
"I was only pretending to be retarded"

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>>131145189
When you print money to bail out banks (which has never happened in history) which are ALL boomer owned and boomer run, you devalue the currency.

Money simply doesn't have the purchasing power it did in the past. This is mathematically demonstrable and clearly visible considering todays situation regarding young people.

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>>131144138
>>131144138
>back to reality

I made this for a british retard I was arguing with.

also see >>131127391
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>>131145189
it's hilarious seeing nazis shilling for billionaire globalists

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I blame the endless greed for putting us all at risk.The population has nearly doubled since 1950 We did not have to let so many in. Then right around the time we were of age they flooded us with millions of illegal aliens .Most never had a chance to succeed .

Tell me, what is your preferred economic system, nigger?

>>131146037
Fuck, this one:

>>131145710

>>131123967
DRUMPF!