McDonalds Is Replacing 2,500 Human Cashiers With Digital Kiosks

this is what happens with a 15 mibium wage

>>131121953
>Low skilled people may have no jobs to fill in a few decades.
I wish they would automate farming first. that's what brings all the spics here.

>>131122024
This. Automation would happen over night if that came into effect

>tfw stopped eating garbage
I've dropped almost 20 pounds
Fuck McDonalds

this is capitalist garbage there is a better way

>>131121953
SHEEIT NIA WHAT ABOUT MUH MINIMUM WAAGE

>>131122071
Farming is already heavily automated, what are you talking about?

>>131121953
I dislike it. I never use them

>>131122337
Oh do tell, genius.

>>131122024
Wtf ?

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I work in automation so I like it.

>>131121953

McDonald's saw that states were going to keep raising minimum wage so they decided to adapt. The libtards said the corporations would just accept the losses from the increased minimum wage and not do anything. Nope, they decided to replace all their employees with machines. This will eventually result in mass unemployment. Another problem could be that while McDonald's can invest in these machines, small business owners are completely unable to. They're the ones who won't be able to afford the $15 minimum wage and will go out of business.

>>131121953
What? We've had these for years

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>>131121953
When will we have automation/armor suits like the Forerunners have in Halo? Where all my body processes are maintained automatically and I can be free to just enjoy life.

Better yet, when will we come up with a technology that can replace everything every cell in my body does, every thought I have, etc.? These atoms in my body need to be free to pursue other endeavors like being dirt in the ground turning into rocks waiting for the universe to either dissipate into nothingness through entropy or it reverses somehow into a reverse Big Bang.

>>131122882
Automation is not solving all your problems its removing humans for the sake of profits you moron.

>>131121953
>feeling bad for dumb people who aren't capable of skilled work

Refuse to use those machine

Same thing happened at my bank last week. Walk in, set up has changed now only two tellers, four have been closed replaced by screens just like in OPs pic

> a staff member goes through the queue asking people to come use the machines 'for convenience and to speed things up'.
> Everyone says, no we will use a teller ty
> she says 'line up goes out the door, someone please come use our new system, its not fair you're making people wait unnecessary'
. this pisses people off even more
> lots of groans and even a wtf
> arguments ensue, customers saying all sorts of things, biggest comment everyone makes 'employ more staff'
> feel sorry for the girl, having to promote a new system that will shortly replace her.
> I tell her I will always use a teller out of principle, don't want to be part of the reason she loses her job
> she trots out a line I know head office have told her to say 'no anon, my job is to give you more choice by helping you do the job yourself'
> tell her it makes no sense and hope her next job is with a decent employer that cares for their staff and customers
> everyone agrees, someone says 'hear, hear'

Tldr: fuck I hate automation

>>131122024
>if we let them lower our wages to 3rd world shit hole levels, they won't replace us and we win!

How cucked and contradictory can one board be?

>we don't want the free market to work when it comes to trade because muh protectionism! MAGA!

>haha stoopid libdums see that? Free market in action that's what you get!

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>>131121953
McDonald's promoting gay marriage and obesity since 1940. Don't worry if your country doesn't have one yet we will soon bomb you, invade you, and install one on every street corner.

In my city it's all Hispanics that work those jobs, white people have already moved on.

>>131122882
Lol advancement is not about making your life good anymore, it's about making you obselete so the rich can remove you.

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>>131123148
Do you know what automation means anon? Are you sure I'm the moron? Yes it's makes profits, but through solving all of our problems.

>>131123291
The younger folks are being prepped to be totally OK with automation. They're so anti-interactions many will actually prefer a machine than human interaction. Your type will die out and become the minority.

now get chik fil a to do it. they just opened up in vegas, and i dont want to look at anyone working there

The fact of the matter is that within 15 years there will be no jobs period, or reason to work.
Everything will be automated, monetary systems will be replaced with some sort of socialist-like system that will grant people free housing, utilities and all your food will come from Amazon Go, which will be free.

I'm not going as often. I like having a cashier I can ask for condiments I don't want to touch a poo laden screen to put in a order. Wendy's wins again

>>131123518
I do agree that yes, humanity is doing everything in its power to make itself obsolete.

Guarantees an order can't be screwed up, I can't really complain.

>>131121953
>Low skilled people may have no jobs to fill in a few decades.
Stop it with this meme. Unemployment has either lowered or stayed the same, regardless of technology. The only thing that does change is that productivity increases.

>>131121953
just dont go to mcshit, normal white people never buy food there. All I see are dumb women driving away with $4 coffee drinks like Starjews

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>yfw libtards will be okay with this because they are so absorbed into digital technology they would rather talk to machines than humans

>>131123734
no it doesn't the grill operator could cook it wrong and the server could bag you wrong things still. This is not automation this is McDonalds being cheap cunts and making YOU do the job for them. literally being a McCuck

>>131123578
Yay then we can receive welfare from president Zuckerborg, only if you take your happy pills and engage in state enforced homosexuality using a virtual headset to have simulated furry orgies in Call of Duty Black Cocks 6969 for the fagbox 420.

universal basic income. the only future option.

>>131123765
Lmao what are you talking about? Yoy actually believe that the unemployment numbers aren't fucked with?

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

>>131123291
on a side note, start making offers to this machines. granted this really only works grocery stores, but who knows where the future goes.

>snow peas: $6/lb
>grean beans: $1.20/lbs
welp, make the machine an offer for the green bean price by typing in the bean code (think its 4070 or something). if the machine accepts your offer, kudos.

also, turn off the machine volume because the machines tend to yell whatever youre scanning

>>131122337
>advancement is bad
Luddites like you need the helicopter.

>>131123406
>/pol/ is one person
The beauty of this place is that we can disagree with each other without getting banned, don't you see that?

>>131123888
No problem. They'll automate the griller and bagger next.

>>131123406
Our point is that these jobs are not intended to be careers. Outside of urban areas, most adults do not try to compete for these jobs. They're not meant to be long-term things, just placeholders between proper paying jobs.

When will the technology be around to where I can upload my consciousness into a Commodore 64?

>>131122024
? Telstea just cut 1,400 jobs despite posting 1billion profit last year. its the balance not the min wage and its why these big corps support immigrations but they gotta get their government moniesss

>>131121953

A supermarket chain in my area spent a ton of money replacing most of their checkouts with self checkouts.

After a couple years of having almost nothing but self checkouts, they went back to the old system of regular checkouts. They found that the self checkouts was actually slower than a cashier + bagger, and they were losing business because of the long lines

A have a hunch something similar may happen with this, because people are fucking stupid.

>>131121953
They need to make the bar code scanner work faster. Sometimes it never turns on and I'm pressing my phone up to it like a dumbass for 2min.

>>131124079
Hell why not just make the McDonalds a shack with automated gizmos that require 0 humans

>>131124225
They had the technology to automate the grill line since the 90s. It's expensive

>>131124079
Just imagine. Automated shitposting on 4chan that shitposts about how everything in the future will be automated. You're practically a dinosaur anonymous.

>>131123578

>everyone will live in slave ghettos completely dependent on the government for scraps

You just described a dystopia. Tell me how giving blacks free housing and food has worked out for them.

>>131121953
>Low skilled people may have no jobs to fill in a few decades.
Why do people in the USA look down on people that work in fast food joints? These are just considered entry level jobs here, mostly for kids but there are senior positions, someone has to run the place. A job is a job.

>>131121953
This is exactly what happens when you let in illegal retards who will do the shitty teenager shitty jobs, then bitch because they can't support their 12 kids doing no-skill, teenager-level work. $15 an hour? That's fucking stupid.
Not to mention that the teenagers all turn into lazy fucktards, because there aren't jobs to teach them the value of hard work and a paycheck.

>>131123977
>unemployment numbers are fucked with
>shows me unemployment numbers
Which ones are OK?

>>131124225

>Hell why not just make (insert your job here) a shack with automated gizmos that require 0 humans?

>>131124225
McRobotos profit harvester, get in early, this will be huge.

>>131124225
its like a smog check kiosk, except burgers. ill probably want one installed in my home walls

>>131121953
Glad I own 300 shares. Hope they fire everyone.

>>131121953
awesome, now automate the cooking process and maybe I can get fries that are fresh and properly salted

>>131124225
Not even kidding, the next phase of fast food are robotic, self-driving food trucks. Take Momentum Machines' automatic burger technology, drop it into a standard truck, apply self-driving technology.
Why deal with the possibility of failing franchises when you can have a fleet of fast food trucks that shift based on demand from day to day, or even perform delivery.

>>131124345
Pol says jobs are disappearing and then criticizes people who work jobs like this full time

>>131123406

while people should be paid a wage that doesn't require you to be on welfare and shit, businesses shouldn't be forced to pay more for workers if they have a legitimate option to just replace them with tech

the minimum wage is too low, but that's not the problem. the problem is that we have too many fucking people here and we keep bringing in more, when we need to fill less jobs and we have massive housing shortages in literally every major city

complaining about the minimum wage is short-sighted small-picture bullshit, and it allows people to just ignore the big picture altogether.

>>131123406
>if we stop letting immigrants in the labor pool shrinks
>if we deport illegals the labor pool shrinks
>if white women stay home and raise children the labor pool shrinks
>this decrease in supply of labor increases demand, and therefore wages
>suddenly men are being hired at fair wages
>suddenly western women are having kids in nuclear families
Automation is unavoidable. The best thing to do is to at least avoid an over saturated labor market so the jobs that remain once the low skill stuff is automated are at least well paying and benefiting the citizens of the nation.

>>131122024
FPBP
>muh 15 minimum, being a cashier is hard
That line of thought and level of laziness is why there will be no more cashiers

>>131124494
> full time
damn right. i respect people who work ~16 hours/week at mcdonalds. i wish a dozen metal shaving splinters on anyone working 30+hrs at mcdonalds

>>131124535

But they're shilling the exact opposite. They're importing niggers by the millions to expand the labor pool and make competition for the lowest rung of society even tougher.

For the ponzi scheme of the upper class you need a constant flow of suckers buying in.

>>131122651
Can i have a job?

>>131123977
>>131124363
Excuse me for calling these unemployment numbers; these are just the percentage of people in the workforce. Unemployment excludes people unable to work.

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

Check these out instead.

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In my town most of the fast-food jobs are taken by melanoids. You don't really see many working elsewhere. What's going to happen when these jobs are taken away?

I still want it to happen, but I wonder about the consequences.

We have had these mcdonalds machine for ages and wait times have at least doubled.
>too many options make customers indecisive and slow
>"do I want 2 pickles or 3?"
>parents with 2 or more kids have the kids fighting over who get to "push the buttons" on touchscreen
>every order i tweaked and irreguar isntead of the easy combos
>kitchen efficiency drops sicne their assembly mine mentality is interrupted as they double check each order
>"oh fuck did I put two pickles on that last burger or three?"
>errors increase
>wait times for food increases
>customer backlog waiting for food occupies half the store and everyone is pissed

These are an enormous failure

>>131122024
>>131122123
And who do you think builds these machines? The Silicon valley oligarchs own the Democratic party, is it such a surprise they push a high min wage?

>>131124169
Got a helicopter waiting for you, commie

>>131124740
can you actually decide the number of pickles? ever order a pickle-burger?

>>131121953
good. they wont need mass migration to prop up their businesses anymore. peope will have to get real jobs

>>131124840
yes. There are sub-menus for all that shit. it is similar to those coke fountain drink machines that let you mix 6000 combos. People take forever deciding.

This shit is a fucking end run for Communism, I telling you guys.

>government and business conspire to destroy jobs
>government steps in to provide universal income
>universal welfare is spent on frivolities like fast food

one nut scratching the other

I hate those machines. It is so much easier to deal with a human. Maybe if it used voice recognition it would be more palatable.

>>131124756
ill fuck u up gurantee it.

>>131124935
ah, gotcha. kinda neat, id try it a couple times.

>>131125093
Here it is in action. This buy makes ridiculous burger.

http://server2.vidmax.com/video/108637-Hungry-Man-Orders-The-Biggest-Possible-Custom-Burger-At-McDonald-s-

>>131123993
Advancement this fast is.

>>131121953
there are plenty of jobs out there for people without skills. for example, a lot of factories and warehouses hire drug addicts, high school dropouts and ex-cons. they are willing to train you too. people are without jobs mostly for these reasons:
-they are unwilling to work a job outside of their field of study
-they are unwilling to work a job for less money than they became used to prior to job loss
-they are unwilling to do physical labor
-they are unwilling to move to a new location
-they are unwilling to take a job search seriously
-they just dont want to work a job

we don't need mcdonalds

>>131122123
automation is inevitable with or without wage change
why wouldn't a business take advantage of technological advances

>>131121953
And this is why you don't demand $15 minimum wage. Chances are, those obnoxious niggers and wetbacks demanding $15 are the first to get fired. And the beneficiaries of this would be the few whites they keep on board.

And those same niggers and wetbacks would be back tomorrow to buy their McChickens and shit.

>>131121953
It's worrying. With previous advances in technology people could just specialise, with this an entire IQ ranges work is being automated (with that range increasing with no stop in sight). Idiots and kids need work too, they can't do complex tasks.
I think when automation hits a high enough point (assuming society hasn't crumbled or solved this problem) the rich will start purging what would essentially be welfare leeches.
Shit even I'm not safe and I'm a software dev (albeit a mid to low-tier one), recent AI have been able to steal code from other programs, they've created an indian that doesn't need to poo.

I'd much rather use that than talk to some black birch who Jacks up my order and I have to help her fix it. Then God forbid you give them cash and they have to try to figure out how to count and give you change back. I'm all about the automation. I always use self checkout too.

>>131125194
amazing. a bit of a shame that it doesnt weave the toppings around. it just fuckin stacks all the tomatoes together, all the cheese, etc...

we also have to increase the efficiency to make it stack burgers several feet tall. it's a long road ahead

>>131125239
How come?

I worked at maccas when i was in high school. went through their management program and ended up getting offered area manager position, I opted not to and went on to get much better jobs.

Meanwhile the niggers and spics who worked with me either still work the fryer or were fired and now are unemployed.

>>131122222

>>131122651
>Literally taking away other people's jobs
You're a Mexican by any chance?

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>>131124535
>this decrease in supply of labor increases demand, and therefore wages

Retake econ 101 and pay attention in class this time.

>>131123734
Your only problem seems to be with niggers and spics then, whites are much less likely to make this fuck up.

>>131121953
Japan has resturants like this all over. I don't see the problem ヽ(´ー`)ノ

>>131124067
>/pol/ *isn't* one person

Enough with this meme. Everyone else is one person and so are you. Jews, all one person. Liberals, all one person. Feminists, all one person. Muslims, definitely all one person.

BTW if youre getting mcdonalds, use the app to order. you can customize your meal more and its way quicker.

Fight for $15? kek

>>131121953
Great.


Now no one can fuck up my order, An I won't have to shout it though bullet proof glass whenever I drive though Chicago

>letting a nigger handle your food

>>131121953
Communism will rise again.

>>131124752
Technocracy runs this bitch

>>131124156
What's an intelligent guy like you doing on /pol/?

When the automatic loom and shuttlecock was first shown to Louis the XVI, he refused it from being used in the work force, because he thought it would cause mass unemployment in the industry.

Textile production went to Britain where such automatic textile factories are allowed to operate. Because textile was hand-made back then, the cost of a shirt, in today's money was hundreds of times higher.

Automation increases supply, which decreases cost, which increases consumption.

Now imagine this being applied to food, or any other necessity. Luddites are justifying world hunger. It's like they want to dig holes to fill them back up again.

>>131123986
I like this idea. Might actually try it. If I get caught will just say something stupid like, 'sorry I am transitioning and the meds I'm on as part of the process means i get confused sometimes.' that should be enough for them to leave me alone.

>>131121953
Most people have stopped eating McDonald's anyway

>>131124935
I'm seeing that stupid soda combo selector everywhere now. I can't stand it. Screen is always nasty and smudgy from the dirty ass customers wiping their snot fingers all over it to get they cherry flavored Root beer. Or whatever dumb flavor.

>>131127942
>If I get caught
the bastards at the store arent paid to make sure everyone enters the information correctly. my hint? dont buy booze at the same time, and purchase only one-two bags. you dont want the cashier checking ID next to your "green beans".

if youre really fuckin paranoid, pay with cash and dont use a customer preference card. but seriously, they dont fuckin care

>>131121953
Fortunately for the workers, your average person who goes into one of these places is also too retarded to work one of these machines.

>>131121953
Wew lad get an education that makes it so you can work a job over mcdonalds clerk level which literally any teenager can do. If you think you're supposed to go your entire life without improving your skills or know how in any way then ofcourse you're going to be outphased by automation.

It only effects very very few jobs, also i've seen those machines and they had 2 clerks along with 4 of these machines. It just speeds up the order.

Also do you realize how few 2500 are it's a drop in the frigging ocean..

Redpill about minimum wage jobs, they are so unskilled a teenager can do them which is the entire point, minimum wage jobs have always been student jobs or shit you do whilst waiting for a real job opportunity since they a) don't pay much b) requires almost no prior skills, you're not supposed to be 40 or 50 years old and work at mcdonalds unless you're a franchise manager or whatever.

I just can't understand why people are butthurt about this shit.. Should we go back to washing all your clothes by hand because washing machines make things easier? Delete the evil washing machines fucking burn them so we can have minimum wage jobs so functioning retards in their 50's can wash other peoples clothes by hand.

You are not supposed to provide for a family on a minimum wage job.. PERIOD. You're supposed to work minimum wage jobs for a short time then get replaced with another person in similar position as you move on to a more proper job.

>>131121953
Good. I hate most human interaction.

Hope they get robots to cook the food and clean the tables.

>>131128389
> pay cash
> don't use customer preference card

Its like you already know me anon! I always do the cash thing, and I never signed up for a loyalty card. I hate my bank or supermarket knowing its me who buys all that vaseline.

>>131122457
Yeah, I've seen them at maccas, I've seen self-serve terminals at the grocers, and I don't use either.

universal basic income couldn't come sooner

>>131127889
>Now imagine this being applied to food
Yeah, imagine it being applied to food, do you really want that? Dumbasses like you are the reason why Africa hasn't starved to death yet.

>>131129093
>he doesn't want meals worth pennies because some niggers across an ocean
I swear.

>boot licker classcucks think this will hurt socialism
>automation of industry brings us closer to communism by killing wage labor

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>>131121953
Day laborers find work digging holes, breaking concrete, cutting lawns, painting, washing cars, moving furniture. I guess they are going to have to break a sweat and get their hands dirty.

>>131121953
Who is going to kick out the homeless?

Shit. Better bring in more third world immigrants. That way they can take what menial jobs are left and also push down wages for the working class and poor.

I can't be angry at a machine over the phone for a problem a human caused

>>131125986
Japan is different because they're literally dying faster than they have kids at this point.

>>131128919
joke's on you: you're not getting all dem coupons for BUY 5 VASELINES, GET ONE FREE

>>131129070
>universal basic income couldn't come sooner
when do you realize people arguing for UBI are just people who aren't interested in working a single day of their life, but expect others to pull their weight aswell as their own.

It's always the same bullshit arguments about automation of the most simple minimum wage jobs, and it's always followed with calls for ubi/legitimization of permanent neetdom.

You already have ubi it's called welfare, where you sit on your ass and still get to buy food and other stuff. UBI is just an attempt to raise the welfare ceiling to an actual job with no demand that you actually work at any point.

These people are worse than communists.

>>131127889
>Automation increases supply
Explain how that is true in a service industry

>>131129243
>he wants meals to be worth pennies for when niggers come invade his country by the billions
An infinite number of monkeys with typewriters will eventually be able to write up plans for a boat.

The "automation is good" meme will end once programming is reduced to a minimum wage job, then automated, as the tech hipsters so smug in their security lose their jobs like everyone else

>>131121953
Can Burger King or Wendy's do this so that I might actually be able to get a correct food order from them some time?

>>131123291
>job deposits money into bank account
>I withdraw from ATM if I need cash

this isn't new

Just imagine all of africa on ubi funded by everyone else in the world. All that increased demand for all kinds of goods and services by people who don't produce or manufacture a damn thing themselves would fucking crush the market increase scarcity and lower everyones standard of living globally. But this is what these idiots want apparently without thinking it through..

Just a billion people not producing a damn thing but going out and spending money they didn't earn on buying stuff for themselves produces by others who actually do the work.. You can't fucking do that don't you idiots realize that. If you want input you have to also have to have output!

Also can you imagine the burden of welfare migrants if you add UBI, these people who already don't want to work will literally just illegal immigrate sit their ass down, do nothing and expect you to work 5 times as much for life just to get by.

>>131129885
When programming is automated the singularity will be upon us, job security wouldn't be relevant at that point anyways.

honestly this is a good thing for mcdonalds employees

cashiers don't just sit at the front taking orders they are making them, bagging the food, making coffee/ice cream, etc. Now it just allows them to concentrate on making the orders

>>131129684
Supply in this sense would be the amount of possible "service" that could be done.

Think of it with an ATM and bank tellers. An ATM can service way more customers at a faster rate than bank tellers.

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Let Darwinism work it out.
What other animal supports a large
useless segment of their population?

>>131129885
>The "automation is good" meme will end once programming is reduced to a minimum wage job, then automated, as the tech hipsters so smug in their security lose their jobs like everyone else

My sisters husband is a trained process optimization engineer. You tools have no idea how hard it is to automate shit, you have two categories where you can do it, certain things involving computers, and very simplistic and repetetive jobs/hard labour jobs involving constructing various parts. (aka minimum wage jobs). That's about it buddy.

If you went back in time you retards would feel threatened by washing machines.

This illusion where you think everything can be automated is just that. And years of this larping and what do you come up with.. 2500 glorified ATM's at mcdonalds.. OMG EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE OUT OF A JOB..

Just admit that you don't want to work a day in your life but still expects to have same living standard as everyone else who do. That's all this bullshit is about.

Technology helps to make things easier, it's lightyears away from replacing everything. And if it does then you're in a post scarcity situation anyways with robots running around doing everything for you, so who the fuck cares and you'll have maintenance and involved in all kinds of other professions there will always be jobs.

Just face it.. the more advanced society becomes the more requirements there are for intelligence. You can't have dumb people and an advanced society at the same time. And there will always be some kind of manual things at any point even in a fully robotized society lot of more complicated things are much better done manually.

Technology has always been an aid not a replacement.

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>>131121953
Sheetz has been doing it right since the start.

This is why Pennsylvania is the only good state.

>>131128520
underrated

>>131121953
Imagine working as an IT in a McDonald's
Restaurant.

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post yfw you realize yahweh created the white and black races to do all the grunt work of automating the world for the jews to enjoy

>>131121953
These kiosk are going to be first installed in states with the highest minimum wage. Also whats not reported is that the drive thru's will be swapped over to self order self pay on top of the initial changeover.

>>131131456
Meh they're just parasites taking advantage of what other people made.. those who made it deserve to have it.

>black races do all the grunt work
Implying they even want to work in the first place.. they sit down don't do shit and pretend they are oppressed for not being good enough to have jobs.

Jews are more like glorified neets who through subterfuge put themselves in top due control of the finances which is the reward system for a job well done and making sure they get a big piece of the pie of the hard work of others.

Only ones that seem to be pulling everyones weight aswell as innovating etc. to make things easier to do seem to be white people. You're acting like africa is some massive industrial country.

Asians are massively overrated in this aswell imo.. they essentially just pilfer what white people have created, they are pretty good mathematically and in discipline but innovatively not so much. Their inventions is mostly taking something white people made or that is made in white nations with our educational systems and know how, and putting a different spin on it.

Take the example of the segboard. A cheaper segway without the handle and stick for balance and control that they can sell cheaper but so that you're standing like a moron and have less balance on. Massproduced by chinese company. ITS INNOVATION MATE..

>>131131021
I think you validate the point of stopping imigration. if these low wage jobs become a thing of the past then either the welfare counts will increase or we have to slow or stop imigration due to automation.
Yes there will still be maintenance involved but how many jobs, and what skill level. Lets agree the average mexican crossing the border will not have the education. The average HS drop-out will be irrelevant.

>>131122024
From $15 to Zero

>>131132346
kek

>>131121953
The big joke being the kiosks can't understand English and the oddballs in back still get the order wrong.

>>131132303
Actually a good point yeah, all these immigrants will just become an even bigger burden but white people will be just fine except ofcourse having to pay through their nose to fund all these welfare people who can only work the most simple of minimum wage jobs which are essentially the only ones that automation or technological advancements actually threaten.

People complaining that their life is made easier for them by technology are really frustrating for me, they would rather have a low tech society where you need 50 people to move a container instead of a truck loading it up on itself with a grip. It's literally at that level these people are arguing. So instead of themselves advancing and improving their skillset, the entire civilization has to go to a grinding halt so they can work shitty jobs they don't even want to work in the first place. Don't tell me they aren't interested in never working at mcdonalds and that they wouldn't have a higher paying job.. ofcourse higher paying jobs/more complex jobs require more skills, nobody is going to pay you for doing jack shit. Neither would they if they were the employer.

Also these UBI calling neets would never start their own companies or invent a damn thing or anything ofcourse. They're just a bunch of tards screaming at people who have businesses that they want to be paid more for doing less complicated things, only problem is you can't run a business like that unless you want to go bankrupt really fast.

tl;dr automation is a white thing to make their lives easier, low tier people migrating to white nations are ofcourse not interested in that because there goes the excuse for even bringing a single one of them in.

>>131132465
There is less chance of your order getting screwed up tho. Touch screen will be the preferred way for most people. Large pictures each option per food.

>>131129591
>Japan is different because they're literally dying faster than they have kids at this point.
But anyone on 4chan knows Japan is vastly superior to us, if they die off maybe they'll be willing to import some whites? Certainly they don't want Chinese. Koreans are relatively close, but Japanese are not fond of Koreans. Yes, they shall import some US whities.

>>131132900
I hear Russia is taking applications for educated white Christian Americans. Drug and background check required.

>>131132900
>But anyone on 4chan knows Japan is vastly superior to us, if they die off maybe they'll be willing to import some whites? Certainly they don't want Chinese. Koreans are relatively close, but Japanese are not fond of Koreans. Yes, they shall import some US whities.

At the end of the day people are interested in having people who know how to do shit.. competence always outshines ethnicity. And whites tend to be very competent which ofcourse pisses some people off.

But incompetent non whites tend to excuse their incompetence with "oppression" all the time which is really frustrating, yet if one of them is super competent.. nobody has a frigging problem with that person, it's just nice to have a colleague who know how to do their shit instead and at that point little concern is given about what color of skin they have.

But instead they want race to go before merit, so they insist you hire them cause they're not white to "balance things out" but who the fuck wants to insist on working with incompetent people? nobody i know.

>>131132816
Well a business must profit and small restaurants operate on a small profit percentage, large groups as McDonalds does increase their percentage. Most minimum wage employees think a restaurant owner makes big money. Actuality they are stretched thin. Some franchise owners are forced to take these upgrades which cost them. Its not an easy life to own one of these places. The automation is more beneficial than dealing with burger flippers.

>>131132303
Also it amazes me that like one of the things automation and technology and robotics does especially in construction is let machines do things that would in the past cause many work related deaths or be extremely hard on your physique and back etc.

So they would rather risk getting killed doing a very dangerous job for very low wage, than not having that job available and improving their skillset to a safer but more complex slightly higher requirement job..

Sort of like
>i'd rather stay extremely dumb and incompetent and live my worklife on the edge than trying to get a little smarter, don't take my low requirement low wage job away or i won't be able to get a job.

I just don't understand these people, even if you are like really dumb, with enough effort you can do a pretty complicated job pretty well, you just might not learn it as fast as someone else but hey.. you can still learn to do it.

They had these last year in Hong Kong
Kiosks are shit man
They needed twice as many as cashiers
And they still needed their cashiers
Every jackass would walk up to it
Flip though the menu frustrated
Can't find a red bean pie
Needs assistance from understaffed humans
Wait
Staff shows dumbass where to buy
Add to order
Wait more
Almost complete order
"Oh, I'd like the promotional plushie too!"
Can't purchase plushie on kiosk
Has to go to cashier anyway
Wasted 5 minutes behind that fucker
If she wasn't my wife
I would have gone to another restaurant

I have always been a fan of Mcdonalds. Not their food which is addictive, but the way they have far surpassed any other large restaurant group in the US.
Mcdonalds are what the others have used to model in the industry.

>>131133853
>If she wasn't my wife
>I would have gone to another restaurant
lost me on that line

>>131131021
>Sisters husband is process optimization engineer
Yes anon, you are EXTREMELY qualified to be arguing this topic.

>Technology has always been an aid not a replacement
>Saying this on a thread about "glorified ATMs" replacing McDonald's employees.
Isn't it past your bed time anon? Or does autism have no curfew?

>>131133853
McDonalds is a large enough group to handle the problems. That is why you see the scaled integration instead of full force. Once the public educates themselves it will just snowball.
Atm's now have made the bank teller irrelevant. Ten yrs ago most people went into the bank for certain things that are now all easily done by the Atm. Less employees are needed.

>>131133535
Another thing that also drives automization and technology aside from making tough things easier is OVERPOPULATION in non white countries. It's HIGHLY overlooked a factor. Why? Because it increases the global demand for various things ofcourse! Some of the things holding that somewhat down is that they don't produce anything for themselves and thus haven't earned the right to have similar demand as an advanced western society per capita but they still have a lot of demand for various things as do many many other countries.

But the UBI retards would rather give entire africa UBI and crash the entire civilizaton with the added demand.

If there were less demand there would be less pressure for automatization of low tier jobs aswell because the businesses wouldn't be pressured to keep up with the demand and having to work at robot speed. Ofcourse automation and advances in technology would still occur at a gradual pace to make things easier for everyone. But not at the same pace. And still regardless of pace it's only actually very few job sectors we're talking about, aka the very low skilled jobs and some elements of industry and fabrication for the most part.

These UBI calling neets don't realize that you need to CONTRIBUTE something if you want to take something out.. Otherwise the whole thing falls apart.. You would also have less wage deflation if everyone pulled their own weight, the slave labour in china for instance is in many ways a response to keeping up with all this increased demand because so many nations aren't pulling their own weight! And those that aren't pulling their weight simultaneously have a SHITLOAD OF PEOPLE that all want/need something without putting much out themselves..

It's really a childish notion to think that you can just sit on your ass and do nothing, how do they expect things to get done? fucking magic?

>How do you feel about automation like this /pol/?
When I started noticing "U-Scan" machines showing up in my town years ago I found out who made them and invested.

I'm predicting a total failure of AI to cope with humans and their solution simply will be just to insert us into the 1999 matrix in which everyone still has a good job and 9/11 never happened. Problem solved. Gawd, I miss the 90s. :(

>>131134385
What will A UBI and automation lead to other than seemingly destroy the species?

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I also predict once we're reinserted into the matrix, the matrix will make a movie called the matrix to make us believe the matrix is just a movie. So we don't question things and fuck everything up. Kek.

>>131134361
>has no argument
>calls me autist
Get the fuck out, pirates and kekistani posters are turning out to be some of the worst fucking posters.

>Saying this on a thread about "glorified ATMs" replacing McDonald's employees.
If you were paying attention they don't even replace them fully, they just speed up the order and few even use them unless there's a queue. I've seen a mcdonalds store who has them who apparently weren't magically fired.
Just read the thread shitter, automation only effects very few jobs that are of low skill requirements or some dangerous repetitive industrial jobs. UBI neets are a bunch of larping faggots who just want to sit on their ass and think if they are 45 and can't get a job as a clerk at mcdonalds for minimum wage sometime in the future because there's fewer employees there than now, that it's society that's something wrong with..

>>131133853
Good one and very believable, women and deciding where/what to eat or ordering food - you know why? It is YOUR JOB fucking cuck, why would you let her do that kind of stuff

>>131125394

You're arguing with the wrong crowd

>>131134842
i remember when the matrix came out, i thought "wow i thought i was the only one in the world with these thoughts"

Maybe due to excessive videogaming or something. but i was thinking "its a construct" way early in my teens

>>131135153
So you are still looking for purpose to explain your existence.

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>>131123864
>mfw im 35. Consumed with tech and long for the days when my gas station clerk remembered my fucking name instead of burying his face into other peoples shitty dinners on goybook

>>131125610
A bunch of poor minority workers will be out of jobs and restless or look to welfare. The upside is with automation there will be a lesser need for immigration when this stuff comes for bigger jobs.

>>131134734
Technology ultimate can lead to a post scarcity situation where all global farmland is for instance 100% maintained to peak perfection etc. and so on and so forth. I think that's ultimately the point of technology to make things easier for us so we don't have to meaninglessly struggle to do very simplistic tasks when it can be done easier which relieves us so we can focus on more complicated things and so on.

The stuff i described that you're referring to about "destroying species" which i didn't say is an unintended side effect of globally people not pulling their own weight which leaves some that do to having to hyperoptimize to keep up with the demand. If globally people pulled their own weight (which this technology can also be a tremendous help with) it would happen far more gracefully.

So these UBI cunts then decide they want to pull EVEN LESS weight whilst increasing their demand arbitrarily eventhough they don't want to increase their competence, which just exhasterbates the problem.. let's say they got their wish with UBI.. what would happen? Higher taxes even fucking more pressure on companies to automate low paying jobs and only keep the jobs that are worth paying for. Or they would go out of business..

´the problem is not automation or technological progress it's people refusing to pull their own weight and simultaneously being massively overpopulated in areas not pulling their own weight which is the very reason they are poor and these things to begin with. And also RESISITING that things are made easier for everyone at expense of low skilled jobs.

Technology is raising the lowest common denominator and these people are saying "No you can't do that cause i don't want to improve in any way.

>tfw your local McDonald's isn't replacing their front service crew members with machines because people in your city are too stupid to use touch screens

>>131134734
>What will A UBI and automation lead to other than seemingly destroy the species?
This. If you can explain that to me then let me know! It's a fucking total disaster to argue for in a non post scarcity situation.. None of these cunts can explain it they just know they want UBI cause "equality" or some shit.

The cunts claim we're in post scarcity situation because of some atm's to speed up the orders at mcdonalds.. And then they want UBI, maybe they should take a fucking look around in the world.. Does it look post scarcity for you, UBI will just completely tank anyone who implements it as national policy. Massive amounts of people on welfare is bad enough and crippling enough as it is.

>>131122742
yfw new McDonald's will only employ one man who works all day inside a windowless concrete burgerbunker endlessly assembling big macs for customers he can't see at the whims of a machine he cannot kill making fifteen dollars an hour, aka 31k before taxes, aka poverty.

>>131121953
im sure trump has a plan to deal with this, right?

>>131126130
Technically, /pol/ still isn't just one person as there are diverse groups of people here with different opinions/points of view. Even if you group people up, like Jew is one group/person, /pol/ is STILL not just one person as there are many groups.
>There's the Jew/JIDF who keeps failing to convince /pol/ that (((they))) are /pol/'s greatest ally
>The NatSoc/Nazi
>The ancap retards
>The shitposters
>The shitlibs/commies/lefties in general, with their futile attempts to convert and subvert /pol/ to join them in insanity
>Fucking normies who are ripe for redpilling
>There's even /polgbt/, for some fucking reason
>and so on

I've used this shit and it's terrible. Your order always gets fucked up, and then when it does there's nobody around to fix it. Shit sucks.

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>>131121953
It's about damn time they replaced those burger jockey's with something smarter than a fucking house plant. My god, how the everliving shit do you fuck up a Quarter Pounder with a Water?

>>131135469
Hence the need for less people. Whether this is per state, country, or globally.

We are nothing more than livestock such as a pack mule. We are being replaced slowly. Some models are irrelevant and will not be supported.

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>>131121953

>>131121953

I would feel good about it, if it were on the hands of a nativist nationalistic fascist party interested in taking care of the people well being and traditions.

Not on the degenerate side of it all, where the overlords rule it all.

I wonder what would the nazis do with this tech.

>>131123552
Literally surgery is being automated. It is not just the poor who will lose their jobs.
Pilots? Replaced by drones. Small shops replaced by online distributors. Sony even tried to replace dogs with that damn Aibo.

>>131121953
I will finally get the fucking burger I ordered.

/thread

>>131135829
Yes by slowing immigration to a halt. His opponents want a diverse base to choose genetics from. They press degeneracy, homosexuality to slow population growth.

Nobody uses the kiosks here. They're somehow more unreliable than a spotty teenager.

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>>131129301
>day laborers
you misspelled beaner

>>131123406
it's almost as if this board is mostly socialists of a nationalist variety...

>>131136168
Ok by looking at your flag im just going to regard your comment as part and parcel.

>>131136039
>surgery is being automated
I laugh when people say this, you'll still need surgeons to supervise everything and we are over decades away from a robot being entirely trusted with a human's life during an invasive medical procedure. Whenever someone talks about automation in such a way, just remember the flop of self-driving cars.

>>131136168
>more
>unreliable
pick one you limey fuck

>>131136719
i work in a hospital, couldnt agree more about the surgery. on the other hand, my coworker tells me about eating lucky charms while driving to work in his new tesla.

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There's no human aspect to a Mexican. I'd rather deal with a machine than a Mexican. The machine is more human.

>>131121953
They did this in China already.

MOOO

>>131121953
>Low skilled people may have no jobs to fill in a few decades.
Try a few years.

>>131136039
>Literally surgery is being automated. It is not just the poor who will lose their jobs.
Some surgeries can be somewhat automated because a machine obviously don't risk having a wobbly hand.

>Pilots? replaced by drones.
Top kek the drones are to risk casualties if they are shot down or whatever it's just a hunk of metal that's lost.

>small shops replaced by online distributors
Hard competition a lot of demand pushes the prices down and crushes smaller distributors sure. But that's ultimately price competition and many people aside from that still prefer to go into a shop and pay a little extra to talk to a person but ofcourse with things like hardware not having a middleman like a store clerk whos wage is added to the cost of the product. but the small stores still survive in many cases by offering repair of computers and many other things. Online hardware computer retailers has been a thing for a decade now. And a small shop near me still manages to survive pretty well through that entire thing, even expanding. They just adapted to including repair and other things and giving advice etc. adapting to the situation.

It's just the usual larping by you faggots pretending robots and automation is replacing every job and there's no need for people to do anything, literally all the examples you mention have human controllers. Small scale surgery automation, guided by the surgeon who can step in if things fuck up. Drone, controlled by a drone controller. Small shops eventhough ofcourse in fierce competition with online retailers on price alone still survive by offering other serves.

You are not living in post scarcity situation you are not getting your fucking UBI which would crash the economy of any nation that implemented it. Look around the fucking planet does it look like it's post scarcity and robots running around doing everything? Smoke less crack live more in reality instead of fantasy.

>>131136039
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>>131137184
Oh i forgot the dog "aibo" invented because many housing complexes don't allow pets and it's more of a hyped up gadget simulating pet interaction.. If you think it's replacing a real dog you're borderline retarded.

But it's funny to watch the warped view of the world of UBI callers who apparently are so smart they think UBI takes care of everything but see themselves completely uneployable/all job opportunities gone for them if they can't work at mcdonalds as a clerk 10 years or whatever.

>>131121953
>Low skilled people may have no jobs to fill in a few decades.
Low skilled people will definitely have no jobs to fill in a few decades.
Driving, for example, is a huge form of employment. All driving will be done by AI by the end of the century at the absolute latest. It's not just low skilled people that have to worry, however. Many highly skilled people will also be losing their jobs. 100 years from now, most jobs that people currently hold will be obsolete.

We are going to have a world soon with well over 10 billion people, the vast majority of which will have no purpose in life but to consume. That is a simple fact. What the movers and shakers of the world plan to do about it is the question. They basically have two options.
1. They give everyone universal basic income and pacify us with electronic entertainment and estrogen mimickers in our food while we all sit around existing merely to eat.
2. They begin serious population reduction programs to reduce the number of useless eaters. This doesn't necessarily mean violence. We already have relatively little control over what's in our food and most developed nations now have mandatory shots for children. It would be very easy for them to sterilize several billion people without anyone realizing it right away. The population could be reduced by 50%+ in a generation by launching vaccination initiatives in Africa & India and lacing the shots with a sterilizing agent, for example.

>>131136852
He has a street-legal self-driving Tesla? Maybe it depends on the state...

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>>131121953
I think it's literally the definition of progress for society. A Kiost was fast, never forced me to speak Spanish, and has never fucked up my order proving it's always the idiot cashier's fault. I've also never had to argue with one about change. It also has a better menu and requires constant UI updates and menu changes. Mc Donalds hired thousands of engineering and technical installation folks across the country a few years back for testing all this. It balances out, handles rush hours better, and helps keep costs low.

Or would you prefer we go back to manual farming just because it takes more people to do the work?

>>131137776
You forget option number 3 which is what is being attempted which make all these shitty nations self reliant and self producing of many of their products to fill their own demand by getting them up to atleast 2nd world level infrastructure.

But definately non western countries need to cut back seriously on child production, it's part of why they are poor and have low living standards per capita in the first place.. Their society can't fucking scale with that many people when their infrastructure is already shitty to begin with..

That's what westerners do well, they know not to just baloon their populations to zeppelin size if they barely have enough to feed themselves to begin with. And the solution isn't to mass immigrate them into the west to implode our societies aswell..

It's a selfmade problem by them! They need to take steps to sort it out. 1 child policy is long overdue for these societies.

>>131138042
>Or would you prefer we go back to manual farming just because it takes more people to do the work?
Well, as an anarchotribalist...

>>131130023
This is different than asking for help, need advice etc.

Abraham Lincoln said that the greatest fine art of the future will be making a comfortable living on a small piece of land. Come on, shills, doesn't that sound nice? How many of you are actually happy?

>>131121953
Thank God work will be optional in 20 years. I can finally pursue my passion and relax while machines make everything for me.

>>131138042
>That picture
Kek, yeah try being a farmer and doing shit without a tractor.. fucking evil piece of shit man! It totally ruined agriculture.

>Or would you prefer we go back to manual farming just because it takes more people to do the work?
You pretty much nailed it, what about cotton picking by hand, YO BLACK PEOPLE YOUR JOBS ARE COMING BACK! AREN'T YOU HAPPY?

Ofcourse if you did that things would also be correspondingly expensive since the labour cost is added to the price of the product. So they would be worse off. And we'd go back to post industrial standard of living per capita.

These people have no idea how much technology has improved their standard of living and overall ease of living, they just see it as bad because apparently it's too much to ask for them to learn to do something else. Than a few very low scale jobs made easier with technology.

>>131121953
niggers are fucked, minimum wage just hit 0

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>>131121953
Durr. I wonder what will happen.

>>131125394
But what happens when the larger part of the population doesn't have the money to spend?

>>131121953
15 bucks an hour and you are all out of work, congrats.

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The only jobs in the future will be building and maintaining the machines that do all the work. Have you ever met a competent nigger, taco nigger or dune coon who really understands machinery or computers?

Sure, there's always the half breed or that one who had a brain deformity and can manage complex thought, but 99.9% of them are completely incapable of such types of work.

We think they'll still be millions of them around, but just like horses, we'll only keep a few around as pets.

>tfw hoarding money and assets for when the Fall happens.

Already have property and shit out in the middle of nowhere. Fuck you niggers, I'm not going to be anywhere near a major city when 50% unemployment hits.

>>131121953
Finally something that won't fuck up my orders. Don't know why you all are complaining when you would probably complain about getting shitty service from the people you wanted to have jobs.

>>131121953

So are Trump cuck voters for, or against this? On one hand you hate the $15/minimum wage but on the other hand you're all poorfags or scrubs.

>>131122024
>this is what happens with a 15 mibium wage

Complete cop-out statement.

Do you morons really think automation won't happen a few years down the road if they keep the minimum wage the same or even lower it?

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>>131123518
Yes.

>>131122024

So are you for automation or against it? Explain this argument?

Is it better for a robot to do it, or a person who makes 300x under the poverty level do it?

>>131139439
McDonalds employees don't make 15/hr. Next up is the job that employs the most white men in America, self driving delivery/semi-trucks and I for one will be laughing hysterically at their misery.

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>>131121953
FINALLY
>one less normie interaction to worry about

>>131121953
kek. I hope these things cost at least $15/hour

>>131124067

There is no "beauty" to this place. It's people with mental and verbal diarrhea shit posting. There's no rhyme or reason to half of it, and most here are some of the dumbest people you'll ever meet.

There's no beauty, it's just bitterness, ignorance, arrogance and lack of sex.

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>>131139999
checked

>>131139797
This is because most of them are scared that they'll be replaced as well at some point. Truck driving is the most common profession among working class white men in this country and those jobs will be gone within 10 years. They're realizing it's too late to fight corporatism, too late to fight globalism... they realize determinism decided they'd be nothing more than wage slaves. And you know what, I'm laughing... when your children are cleaning the shit from my children's asses just to survive , when you're worth less than a chink, drink my piss retards.

>>131139820

Yeah, you should have posted a Republican pic if you knew anything about history.

>>131140131

True. The best part is they'll keep voting for Republicans out of bitterness and help flush their lives down the drain.

It will be weird having white people in their 30s mow my lawn though...

>>131121953
Australia has had these for years
you even get to build your own burger by picking ingredients individually. You can't do that shit to a real person without it taking forever and having to get it repeated twice to make sure they didn't write it down wrong

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>>131121953
Hoooray! No more attractive athletes getting rich pressing buttons that look like hamburgers while not giving a fuck if you get a literal turd in your bag 45 minutes later. I've been waiting to triple my business there until they got the cashier situation fixed. Now it's all the pre-chewed Carls Jr I can eat.

now Unbelieveable Tales of McDonalds thread.

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>>131139999
Even if they did cost (24*7*30) $10,800/month. They don't need a manager. They don't call in sick. They won't stab a customer for disrespecting them.

The truth is that an 65" TV cost less than a $1,000 and those machines probably need little more than a high powered cell phone ($1,000) to run. Maybe another thousand bucks for the contraption to hold them and another grand for the card swiper. With the volume discount, probably less than $4,000/machine. Turn that into an hourly rate, 4,000/24/30 and it costs them maybe $5.55/hour, and that's if they replaced them in their entirety every single month (they won't need to).

>>131140317
We had that over here in Korea for a while, but they got lazy and now it's just a kiosk where you can order food. It's still pretty good, better than a cashier, but I miss being able to make a custom burger.

>>131140131
>Truck driving is the most common profession among working class white men in this country and those jobs will be gone within 10 years.

You know what the funnies thing is? By filling in the captcha to post on 4chan, you're helping to build an algorithm for self driving cars and make truck drivers obsolete. Has anyone on here stopped to think why all of the captcha images are cars and street signs?

That's because some Silly Con Valley programmers are collecting these labeled captcha image data and using it to teach computers how to recognize stop signs and cars. We're basically doing grunt work for free and they're profiting off of us One post at a time.

The people who think this is happening just because we raised the minimum wage by 50 cents have no god damn clue.

Even Poopjeets are getting on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dn5LbcDkB8

>>131121953
About fucking time.

Always preferred the japanese variation.

>>131121953
As a leaf I will say I am happy these are being rolled in as most McDicks' emplyees in my country are people of all colors and creeds who barely speak English (or even French for that matter, lol leafland amirite) and IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DEAL WITH THESE THIRD WORLD RETARD NIGGERS I JUST WANT TWO BIG MACS WITH EXTRA SAUCE HOLY FUCK WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF EIGHT TIMES TO ORDER A FUCKING TRASH TIER BURGER EVEN THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME ARE ANNOYED. The quicker we make it impossible for people who can't speak the language and refuse to integrate to find employment the quicker we can get back on track as a civilization. I have nothing against people travelling around the world and settling down but if you don't speak the language you are basically trash. I travelled with my family and I speak 5 languages - English is 2nd-grade math easy; there is no excuse. I love these machines.

>>131140039

and you're stuck here with us forever..

>>131141047
Maybe you should speak clearly then you retarded leaf?

>>131141216
What if I told you to go back to fucking your sister while your Dad watched? Would that be clear enough for you?

>>131140647
You don't want self driving cars? I hope you get killed by a drunk driver who could have been driven home by his car instead. Literally fucking retarded.

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>>131141047
With no more jobs defrosting tendies they'll all become leaf doctors because muh programs. Pretty soon you'll be importing maple syrup. Congratulations, you fucked up being gay America Jr.

>>131140131
>This is because most of them are scared that they'll be replaced as well at some point. Truck driving is the most common profession among working class white men in this country and those jobs will be gone within 10 years.

This is what you idiots believe, every fucking ubi caller and automation larper completely overestimate how difficult it is to automate shit, and things like transportation will never be fully automated. Self driving massive trucks for global transport is such a fucking meme, wait till one major accident happens due to sattelite failure or whatever once they beta test it and they'll pull the plug on the whole fucking thing.

Besides do you think truck drivers can literally do nothing else than drive trucks and can't be retrained for another job position, fucking hysterical you people are.

Technology makes things easier, some things are feasible some things like automating all transport logistiscs globally is not feasible. and definately will not happen even on a large scale within the next 10 years.

It can be good for some isolated situations though, so the technology does have merit in some instances. But that's the same with a lot of these things..

You idiots continue to think we live in some post scarcity situation in 10 years.. blacks would've feared this a few hundred years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHE82R4i2Vo but aren't they glad they don't have to do that?

Technology simply raises the lowest common denominator and make high risk and repetitive jobs easier so we can focus on doing other things, there will always be jobs, the jobs just change in what you do.

You cunts would rather have civilization grind to a halt than learning a new profession. or having less jobs in that particular variant due to technological aid.

I don't know anyone scared of automation, but i can understand that if you think so low of yourself that you think you can't learn to do something else, well then i guess i feel sorry for you.

>>131121953
This is why robo-communism is inevitable.

>>131141478

Ahahahah. I'm an airline pilot (as a hobby since, I make most of my money in real estate and my derivatives analytics firm), believe me, I know how powerful automation is and how quickly it's advancing. "Learn something else" ahahhah, yeah, that's what I say about people who work in coal mines, but then you realize they're too retarded to do anything else. It's not about me, it's about them.

>>131141478

>>You idiots continue to think we live in some post scarcity situation in 10 years.. blacks would've feared this a few hundred years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHE82R4i2Vo [Embed] but aren't they glad they don't have to do that?

Ahahah, and aren't you glad black unemployment has skyrocketed and they all virtually live off the tits of the American tax payer?

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>>131141478
>believes technology doesn't get cheaper every year

In ten years, there will still be plenty of truck driving jobs left, but they will start being phased out. You are literally retarded if you can't see that it's coming.

The human race will transcend into immortality within the next 40 years or so. Every job is low skill at that point.

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>>131121953
Can't wait, so much better than talking to an ugly acne ridden teenager

>>131141418
No more than likely they'll move to something even more advanced like sitting inside a bullet resistant glass cubicle 8 hours a day incapable of understanding you when you try and tell them what kind of smokes you want. If you think these people have the drive and mind required to actually take advantage of muh programs and study medicine you're not understanding the niggerdom tier these people fall into. We're talking literally the dumbest and laziest people you will imagine, there is no hope - first world civilization was only an incomprehensible abstract concept for them. And our country is gay no matter what we've got much gayer problems to worry about.

>>131141521
>This is why robo-communism is inevitable.
You mean post scarcity. UBI is ONLY relevant in post scarcity situation and even then it might be irellevant because at that point you have to consider if you even want to have a currency based system whatsoever. Our civilization is lightyears away from that it's just wishful thinking on peoples parts.

Our current civilization can't afford a bunch of asshats who think they don't have to work to produce goods and services. You would need something like 60% of all jobs fully automated to even debate weither or not you should have UBI. Because it would only be around that point that you would run into potential problems with regards to unemployment that isn't just downright lazyness and lack of motivation to learn a different profession. And even then just the professions will be retooled and reshaped so you would be focusing on many other things. We would probably venture off world at that point for instance. People think if we had so much advanced robotics and even full ai doing shit for us, that we wouldn't know what to do with ourselves but to sit on our ass and drink beer and whatnot, are just kidding themselves.

UBI in a non post scarcity situation just leads to collapse. Too much demand too little output.

It's simply peddled by people who want to have permanent welfare and high standard of living without having to do shit for it themselves. UBI promoters are like welfare neets on stereoids making any fucking excuse for why they haven't expanded their skillset.

>>131121953
McDonalds and skilled?

Those kiosks are great because I can now order and don't get the fucking default fries.

>>131141937
>Our current civilization can't afford a bunch of asshats who think they don't have to work to produce goods and services.

It's actually the other way around. People with actual wealth don't care if people are disenfranchised or not and we're the ones who control whether you're employed or not. Has nothing to do with people being lazy, we know full well we can continue accruing more wealth while the middle class becomes poorer. We can afford all the poor people in the world until they finally wake up.

>>131141680
>>I know how powerful automation is and how quickly it's advancing.
> "Learn something else" ahahhah, yeah, that's what I say about people who work in coal mines
Are coal mines fully automated? If not then it's a valid job profession right?
Or are you just pissing on coal miners because you see them as less fortunate than you.
Well if coal mining gets fully automated sure they should go learn something else. THAT'S what i mean about learning something else.. some jobs are shitty but they all needs doing, and technology and automation can help with making shitty jobs obsolete..
>>131141842
>Ahahah, and aren't you glad black unemployment has skyrocketed and they all virtually live off the tits of the American tax payer?
Niggers being lazy have nothing to do with automation.

The reason for the US unemployment is not automation more than it is china and others siphoning off US jobs for a long time.

I think you need to get your head out of the clouds stickjockey you clearly have no fucking clue what's going on down below. Just because air traffic can be automation assisted doesn't mean everything can not even things you consider simple and petty in comparison like coal mining, i think you glorify your profession a bit too much and clearly you don't know much about anything else but your current occupation.

>>131123406
Yea you cuck. Go get a real job unless you're underage then in that case you should probably leave. Minimum wage jobs are for high school students and old people.

>"get a job"

>get a job

>"y-y-y-y-y-y-yeah b-b-b-b-but I meant go to school first, spend years learning a skill or trade, THEN get a job is actually what I meant :^)"

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>>131141680
>Ahahahah. I'm an airline pilot (as a hobby since, I make most of my money in real estate and my derivatives analytics firm), believe me, I know how powerful automation is and how quickly it's advancing. "Learn something else" ahahhah, yeah, that's what I say about people who work in coal mines, but then you realize they're too retarded to do anything else. It's not about me, it's about them.

Pretty simple shit
They're already putting rock truck drivers out of work at large corporate mines
Bulldozers and excavators are next
Even where they can't go 100% automated, one guy can sit in a simulator booth and run 6 machines at once
Sure he gets paid a little more than your average operator hourly, but he has a super cushy job. Not wearing out his body, not risking a fall getting in and out of the machine. Doesn't have to live at a remote mine site, away from his family.
Driving over the road vehicles, including tractor trailers, is real fucking simple compared to operating massive shovels, dozers and rock trucks.
Especially once you cut out having to get in and out of truck stops to park for down time, etc. If all you're looking at is pick it up, fuel, drop it off, pull in for maintenance, it's nothing. Look at the tech Tesla has now. You think there isn't way more advanced tech for commercial applications underway?
A jumbo jet is way more fucking complicated than a big rig, and they are capable of taking off, flying, and landing completely automated by themselves.
Mines are saving 15% on their ENTIRE transpo, meaning moving shit from digging up to ready to ship out on a tractor trailer or rail car, just by going to automation, and that is with the cost of the new robotic trucks INCLUDED.
Anyone who thinks their OTR trucking job is safe, is a bit slow in the brain department.
Do you even understand what Quality Cost Per Ton Efficiency means?
If I were in that situation, I would be investing in Komatsu and Tesla and fast

>>131142154
And eventually enough people will wake up that they'll eat the rich people in a massive schism and we'll have another thousand years of murder and chaos. I honestly can't wait. This idea of "freeing" the average person and giving everyone unlimited freedom is the meme of memes since the vast majority of humans are super-morons that NEED to be controlled 24/7 for there to be any hope for civilization.

>>131142154
>we're the ones who control whether you're employed or not.
Damn do you have your head up in the clouds faggot. Thinking you're high society and in control of anything, all your hubris and ego you don't even know how things actually work.

>We can afford all the poor people in the world until they finally wake up.
Ofcourse people like you aren't interested in improving conditions for people, but not all are as shit tier trash like you and have more noble intentions for the human race you fucking wannabe high society larper.

You can't even talk about automation and technological aid and the real situation about this in a proper fashion without talking about how fantastic you think you are. Kill yourself. You are a prime example of what happens when you give a degenerate monkey too much money.

>>131142295
Lol. Yes, unemployed people are only lazy and shiftless, it has nothing to do with a society and economic system that doesn't even come close to requiring everyone to be employed. I know exactly what goes on down here, I manipulate wealth for a living. I turn 30 next month and am worth 100s of millions, granted I was born to millionaire parents. We don't need labor the way you think they do, that's a fact and what's the use if everybody 'learns something new.' There's a finite number of skills and trades and they are decreasing in numbers in this country, to more educated outsiders or simply as parts of vestigial industries.

>>131142295
>Well if coal mining gets fully automated sure they should go learn something else. THAT'S what i mean about learning something else..

Why don't you try to learn how to beat rybka at chess?

>>131121953
>Low skilled people may have no jobs to fill in a few decades.
Too bad, only the best will survive.

>>131123566
Chik fil a is the only good tasting, clean and courteous fast food restaurant around me. Portillos is a close second but their lines are always fucking long as shit.

>>131142631
>anarchist doesn't realize most people are low skilled and having the majority of the population out of work will cause massive societal upheaval
Shouldn't you be the first to consider the possibility for civil unrest, what with it being your fucking hobby?

>>131142467
>tough jobs like mining being automation/technologically assisted is bad.
wew lad.. almost as if we should just go back to horse and carriages and have 10 guys to change a lighbulb. We'll be 90% robotic assisted civilization in the next 2 years.. oh wait we won't.

I mean what do you want, do you want not having to do really shitty risky and tough jobs so you can do something else instead.. or do you want horse and carriage, manual plow farming and 10 guys to change a lighbulb or whatever?

When a less complicated job or hard labour job gets phased out by technological aid, you go find something else to do, you don't say you want the fucking job back.

>>131121953
I used one of these today in fact. What a wonderful pleasant change, especially compared to interacting with the typical McDonald's employee. Bravo McDonald's. For the record, the order was still not complete, as the waste of oxygen that delivered it to my table forgot my daughter's beverage, but the touch screen ordering was flawless.

>>131142757

Oh, there will be civil unrest. We already see the beginnings of it with the popularity of Trump and Bernie. They wanted to change the 'system.' The disenfranchised were enthused. Nothing is changing, because Trump is an obvious con man and TV personality, nothing more... I'm waiting for his supporters to finally turn on him (they're starting to). Give it a couple more years people are going to be losing their shit :)

>>131142757
Then I'll just fucking kill them you fucking nigger piece of shit what do you think of that?

>>131142828
>>tough jobs like mining being automation/technologically assisted is bad.
You obviously missed the entire point of my post
I work on making these machines. Yearly salary is over 9x a fulltime minimum wage job.
It's a beautiful thing!

I wouldn't buy in such restaurants (not like I eat unhealthy shit like McDonalds anyway). Today they take those jobs, tomorrow all the other jobs until we're no longer needed for the elite and they replace us with robots completely. They whine less, won't revolt, don't need food and sleep and are cheaper to maintain.

>>131142757
In the chaos some people finally have a better chance to get what they want.

>>131142828
Not everybody is capable of doing something else. That's the reality of determinism and a system that fails large swaths of our population leaving them completely unprepared for any instability in their lives. Technology improvements, by nature, creates more efficiency which requires less labor and a smaller labor force... so it doesn't matter what these unskilled people try to learn, they either can't, or when they do they are unneeded.

>>131142612
>Why don't you try to learn how to beat rybka at chess?
Chess is extremely easy for a computer because the game has patterns that are completely predictable that's why it has been used to illustrate "ai" for a long time, eventhough it has little to do with it. It's just has in memory a grandmaster chess book with all possible variations and how to counter them fed into it.

Big fucking deal.

Besides chess is a game.. we're talking about making things easier for people so they can focus on doing other things instead.

>>131142546
>Lol. Yes, unemployed people are only lazy and shiftless, it has nothing to do with a society and economic system that doesn't even come close to requiring everyone to be employed.
Yes i know you pathetic faggot, didn't i already say that?
>The reason for the US unemployment is not automation more than it is china and others siphoning off US jobs for a long time.
This is what i said, you should learn to fucking read. if you had read it you wouldn't have to larp about what i already told you dumb fuck, but i guess you like to hear yourself speak, you're nothing than a subhuman monkey with a lot of money i can easily tell, and you barely needed to tell me that you inherited it.

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>>131142905
>Then I'll just fucking kill them you fucking nigger piece of shit what do you think of that?
I think you'll need more gun.

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>>131123291

And that mans name: Albert Einstein.

>>131142875
Why so happy? They turn on him then its assholes like you're pretending to be that will suffer the most.

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The singularity approaches.

This is why we've been fighting against globalism. It's too late to stop what is happening.

Breath in and let the nanobots cross your blood-brain barrier. I dream of a world where every child born has billions of nanobots in their brain.

The printing press also must have put people out of work, yet we're still here. Not to say that machines should take over everything.

>>131143092
Holy shit, you completely failed to recognize the sarcasm and counter-point. Are you even a native English speaker or are you just retarded? The ill preparedness of our populace isn't the fault of China, it's the fault of your inbred parents, determinism, low IQ and a system that doesn't promote your full potential etc you mouth-breathing fat slob. I knew you were dumb but holy fuck.

>>131122742

A C C E L E R A T I O N I S M

>>131121953
DEY TOOK ER JERBS

>>131143069
>Not everybody is capable of doing something else.
Yes they are, it's a matter of putting in the effort to learn something else. Even the most dumbest person can be trained to do complicated tasks way above jobs threatened by technological innovation/robotics, it just takes them longer to pick up than others.

It's a matter of motivation and availability of retraining. Not even a fucking problem if that's there.

As long as those jobs are available, which is the key part which is not due to automation but shipping jobs overseas with regards to the US.

Cunts like you who have such a pathetic view of the world and other people in general, constantly conflate automation with jobs being lost to other countries.. aswell as those countries stealing them by sleight of hand like china, instead of producing their own and creating their own businesses and industries etc. they make western companies and others move and setup shop THERE, in essence a game of musical chairs.. This is due to them not being self sufficient with their own companies and businesses which is the biggest problem with job losses, because when they don't have their own companies and industry etc. they constantly have to take them from somewhere else.

if all nations were self sufficient in that way, this thing wouldn't happen whatsoever. The automation/technology argument is just a ruse to cover this shit up since all it does is make complicated things simpler or replace very repetitive tasks. Freeing up people to essentially do other things.

You should get on a small little plane and preferably crash into the middle of the fucking ocean with no survivors faggot.

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I saw that in a few locations near me.

Meanwhile, a friend works as a security guard and...
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/05/18/high-tech-security-robot-prudential-center/

>>131125317
>they are unwilling to work a job outside of their field of study
Almost anyone would but good luck getting your foot in the door without some experience.
>they are unwilling to work a job for less money than they became used to prior to job loss
Well duh, people have expenses and they tend to track with what they made and are worth in the marketplace. Most people would be ok dropping even 5k but you can't go from making 50-60k a year to 20 and expect people to be able to live and support a family.
>they are unwilling to do physical labor
Completely anecdotal
>they are unwilling to move to a new location
Again anecdotal also there is something to be said about having your support system there. Also if they're out of work chances are they aren't moving anywhere.
>they are unwilling to take a job search seriously
It is easier than ever to apply for jobs so I don't know exactly what you mean by serious. If they're milking unemployment and filling out the bare minimum applications to stay on it then I agree.
>they just dont want to work a job
Again anecdotal, you have to realize job seekers are competing against hundreds if not thousands of applications that come in daily or weekly online for these positions. Fuck I've been applying to places and it's so retarded out there they're asking for a bachelor's degree to be a low level phone monkey. I apply to everything that is somewhat in my wheelhouse but some of these jobs are literal retard level with the qualifications they're asking for.

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>>131143578
Low-skilled people can't afford to properly start a new business, especially considering shit like raising the minimum wage the gov is doing, making it more and more expensive out of the gate.

You're fucking naive if you think small business is going to save the poor people. It won't, shits only going to get worse because everything at this point is converging on full pleb removal from the workforce.

There aren't enough government retraining programs and not enough jobs for all the truck drivers and fast food workers and retail workers that are all going to be replaced.

You're naive. Why don't you hop on board your private jet and do some deep-sea diving, fucking faggot.

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>>131143092
>we're talking about making things easier for people so they can focus on doing other things instead.

Easier for whom? What other things are we to focus on?

A light bulb went off when I read this book by (((Tyler Cowen))), pic related. Growing up I believed the bullshit that better technology would give us the power to uplift humanity. Nothing could be further from the truth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_is_Over

>>131143269
>it's the fault of your inbred parents, determinism, low IQ and a system that doesn't promote your full potential etc you mouth-breathing fat slob. I knew you were dumb but holy fuck.
See what i mean, it's funny coming from a million dollar trustfund kid who thinks he's the shit but without it he would probably be in risk of losing his job from mcdonalds. You literally can't make any proper argument without larping about how great you think you are and how shit you think everybody else is, your bullshit isn't even relevant to the conversation.. just excuse yourself and go ask your mom and dad for some money for a little cesna or whatever and go fly it straight into the ocean.

>>131121953
Where I live all the "people" working these customer service jobs are niggers. I wish I had the option to use an automated kiosk everywhere.

>>131121953
Literally not even a problem. There will always be a need for low skilled labor.

>>131122071
Personally, I wish they'd automate killing spics.

>>131143804
>There aren't enough government retraining programs and not enough jobs for all the truck drivers and fast food workers and retail workers that are all going to be replaced.
That's the problem, which i already stated.

Already went over this. Essentially if the jobs are there but they currently can't do them, It's a matter of motivation and availability of retraining. Not even a fucking problem if that's there.

If it's not there simultaneously with all the rest of the things happening, ofcourse you got yourself an issue. But that has nothing to do with
>hurr durr people can only do one thing if they lose their minimum wage job you kill them since they can never do anything else
Which is what some cunts ITT are saying.

Ofcourse it's a massive problems when no jobs are there, but that's not due to technology/automation stuff, that's due to the whole siphoning off of jobs to other countries.

What i'm saying is IF the jobs are there, EVEN IF THEY CAN'T DO THEM RIGHT NOW they can learn to do them.. That's the key issue..

That the sneaky trade deals china made etc. that allows them to siphon off US jobs for instance and set them up in china instead ofcourse throw a wrench in that whole thing, is ofcourse unfortunate.

people constantly blame the wrong thing when they talk about loss of jobs, automation/technological aid isn't the big problem with this. It a small cofactor in comparison that would barely be visible if the other things weren't happening at the same time. And can easily be mitigated by retraining the people who lose their professions to this.

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>>131131116
>go to Wawa's
>punch in my order
>autistically specific hoagie
>when it's done someone hands it to me
>no mistakes ever

>go to any fast food """restaurant"""
>order basic combo off the menu
>order is wrong 90+% of the time
>whole items added or missing wrong

I trust computers way more than I trust people, at least around my area, they can't even push the right buttons.

>>131139172
Filthadelphian here, this image is near perfect. Needs more Herrs chips though.

>>131122457

>Willingly chooses to communicate with subhumans over taking your time with a screen.

obviously the best choice is not to go in the first place but we are assuming you are forced.

Good.

Losers working at McDo dont get to halt technological progress. That is letting the dumbasses of society hold the smartest back.

Teenagers should volunteer at hospitals and do more self productive things than flip burgers for alcohol/clothes/pussymagnet/marijuana money

>>131121953
Automation is only a problem for capitalism. Glorious Socialist Revolution only coming closer lads.

>>131144725
>volunteer at hospital
>have no money
>starve
>be sent to hospital
>other starving volunteering teenagers nourish you back to health
>repeat
Sounds like it could work, and the hospitals could get some extra money.

>>131123765

We moved from farming to factories with the first mechanisation, we moved from factories to a service economy last time. Where the fuck is there to go? people only need so many services. half the jobs now are just fluff already.

>>131141680
You sound like an autistic failure

>>131124495
Nope, people should find work to make to make the money they need or make a job for themselves. Not be a little bitch by Gov force. Fuck those whining/neets

>>131144836
Also they could just eat the ones who die.

>>131139797
Making large changes requires managerial and executive effort - that doesn't happen quickly, for small changes in profit. People are lazy everywhere.

>>131145332
I like your thinking. Now we just have to figure out a way to stop them from eating paying patients.

>no fucked up orders anymore
I like progress.

>>131140492
Add in a bit for a maintenance contract - but yeah, cheaper than humans. Nice figuring.

>>131145546
Why stop them. Just put it in small print on the admission sheet.

>>131121953
Yeah talk that 15 hr Fast Food Labor Union bullshit now ya commie bitchz!

>>131121953
>How do you feel about automation like this /pol/? Low skilled people may have no jobs to fill in a few decades.

They should have done this decades ago. Japan has had vending machines doing this in restaurants and cafeterias forever now.

>>131145718
This sounds like a ancap scheme.

>>131121953
Maybe the machines will get my order correct.

hopefully,it's the mexicans who you have to repeat your order 5 times before you have to call the manger so they can type my order.

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>>131121953
>we want higher minimum wage
>ok, I'll just deploy robots then
I love how the free market fucks every lefty idea.

>>131141478
>he doesn't know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7xc45LyhoU

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>>131144871
>We moved from farming to factories with the first mechanisation, we moved from factories to a service economy last time. Where the fuck is there to go? people only need so many services. half the jobs now are just fluff already.

DELT 90% of population pic related

>>131121953
Buh bye mickey D.

>>131145325
>Nope, people should find work to make to make the money they need or make a job for themselves.

There won't be anything but prostitution or drug-running left for most people pretty soon. We'll probably end up with full-blown socialism before that ever happens. Thanks boomer tards.

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>>131146708
Hopefully they get all the shit they want and finally decide to kill all the fucking goyim who were blind to their anti-life agenda. 95% die off can't happen sooner.

>>131146287
>wants to warn about automation
>presents an awesome example of it.
Not knowing what a godsend this is to farmers and their massively long work hours, yet you think this will make farmers go out of business?.. fucking kek. Also the ROI on that is probably pretty extensive too but probably worth if it they can work out the kinks.

It's not much different than a self driving vacuum cleaner though that can free up your time to do other things. but also has some setbacks in various ways.

Good to know top management and ceos will be getting what they deserve

a lot of you are failing to realize that AI will be able to take over a lot of the jobs sucking in all the money soon, and that the people currently holding them can not pay enough to prevent it from happening, AI is bringing us into an age where we dont need jobs, this isnt a good or a bad thing, its just different, we will adjust as a society and there will be lots of bumps, and all we can do is try and make it as smooth a ride as possible