Do Americans have a right to health insurance? If not, should they?

Do you even know what rights are?

https://www.billofrightsinstitute.org/founding-documents/bill-of-rights/

>ctrl + F "Healthcare"
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Sage and Hide

They can get a job and a cheap plan, though those plans need overhauls. I work for a multinational company and pay $200 a month for a plan that has a $7,000 deductible. Like Trump says "you're never going to use it".

Op is a fag

>>131079855
Most first world countries have right to health insurance. Dont you think we should follow their lead? What's wrong with insuring someone's life?

>>131079334
>right to health insurance
>right
wat?

>>131079334

Look up positive and negative rights. "Rights" are not a code word for "Free shit I deserve just because I'm alive", and if you go through life thinking this way you will never, ever figure out why you're so poor, dumb, and unhappy.

>>131080112
>Most first world countries have right to health insurance

These countries have the small population size, social cohesion, and Unions that allow them to do this. There's a reason denmark with a population of 30 mill can take care of its people while we here at 56% cant do it with 330 million

>>131079334
They absolutely have the right to purchase it
That's it though
They don't have to right to make someone else foot their bill

>>131080575
If everyone paid for everyone's health insurance, you're not "footing" anything. It's a collective pool for anyone to use. Is there just a human decency gap between Americans and Europeans? To Americans it always seems to be "me me me."

>>131079334
Sure, you have a right to private enterprise. It's a capitalist nation, after all.

>>131079334
It's a big pyramid scheme. Prices are jacked way up so big pharma and insurance companies can profit off of each other.
They should have free market clinics and such. The cost of being seen by a doctor would be substantially less and people could actually afford it on their own without needing insurance.

>>131079334
Anyone can buy insurance.

Only lazy niggers can't afford it

>>131080112
>Most first world countries have right to health insurance.

Everyone in the US can get health insurance. There is nothing stopping you from having health insurance except not having the money to pay for it. Most of the time you can get it for free through your job, as long as you're not working at some shit place like a fast food restaurant.

>So just give them health insurance for free when they get sick!

Well then that's not health insurance. That's just free healthcare.

Insurance is something you pay into with the expectation that you might have to take some money out in the future. It's not "free money whenever you need it".

Just try sticking to the basic concepts of this discussion without inventing things that have no connection to reality.

>>131080456
Technically, every country with socialized health-care is a country with shit health-care and anyone who can afford it goes private. Sadly, Americans with cash can get a CT or whatever for their dog faster than a human possibly having cancer can get it in EU. OFC, retards who support Bernie will not admit that.

>>131079334
faggot

>>131079334
Rights come from God eurofag

>>131081761
Nah EU has great healthcare but it wont stay that way for long. Japan is the ideal system with state sponsored healthcare but it works so well since they have very low immigration

>>131079334
If your government doesn't save your life when you are dying why are you paying them taxes?

Healthcare is an economic right...GOP is basically saying you don't deserve any affordable healthcare coverage for working in a coal mine.

>>131082006
Anon, where are you posting from? How long have you lived in EU if at all? Because I live in the EU, travel all over EU for business regularly and talk with people here. Real talk, face to face and not shittalking on 4chan. EU has abysmal health-care compared to what is available to average American with mediocre money managing skills.

Not a right, but a wrong. Don't wonder why places like Europe, Japan and South America are so troubled when young women don't need to rely on their fathers and husbands so much for health coverage and can independently go around them instead.

I don't understand how education, that is a privilege, is free, but health, that is a right, is so expensive in America.

>>131082851
My country is more Christian than yours, so stronger families. However, I heard the mayor of Rio de Janeiro is starting to turn that around, lad.

>>131082851
Education in America is not free. Same way that health-care in countries with socialized health-care isn't free. People have to pay taxes. Money doesn't just come into existence.

Seriously, all you people who think socialized = free need to stop with that meme.

>>131079334
we don't deserve health insurances, life is too good here unfortunately we must pay the consquences of being #1

>>131083124
I'm sorry but what are you talking about?

>>131079334
>Health Insurance
Nope
>Should they
Nope
>Emergency medical care
Yes
>Should they
its a nice thing.

We have medicair and medicaid which apply to some citizens. They're both shit.

>>131083401
Health service availability, why?

>>13108181
What a dumb non-argument, just like if I retorted with 'so God doesn't want me healthy?"

Having the right to something always costs more than just buying it in a free-market.

Stop being so lazy and entitled and buy it for yourself.

>>131079334
No, and no.

>>131083333
The availability is important, though. It isn't about saving rich people money, it's about keeping young women from liberating themselves something which is part of the free availability of these health services.

>>131083380
Number three four and fifteen have health insurance.

>>131083333
I know os not "Free", but the goverment provide education for the population, even If It is with taxe money.
What nI don't understand is why are they so worry about spoiled brats that couldn't care less about being there, and just let people die because dissesse treatment is a fortune and they can't afford It.

>>131083812
>being a sodomite

Hell is for ever!

>the right to be taxed so some fat retard can be kept alive

NO THANKS

>>131083812
>'so God doesn't want me healthy?"

He made you mortal. What do you think, dipshit?

Why are so many liberals utterly opaque to the idea that someday they will get sick and die? Science cannot make you live forever. Make your preparations accordingly and keep the noise down while you're at it.

>>131083620
>medicaid
>shit
in what reality do you live in? it's literally better than any other insurance i've been on and better than the insurance of everyone i know.

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>>131082536
>>131081761

>>131079334
>Having a right to a commodity

Leave

>>131083508
So the family who's mother needs a hefty surgery and the cost is too expensive, the mom should just die and the family pretty much left out to dry? That's pretty fucked up. You'd think a country that has been to the moon, is the largest power in the world and has the greatest military strength there is would be able to, I don't know, make sure it's citizens can live a life.

>>131084263
Wonder how they measure "timeliness of care" as I dealt with the UK and US health care systems.

US is so much damn faster then the NHS

>>131084469
>anecdotal trumps fact based research

>>131084338
>health is a commodity

Lol sorry. That's just hilarious. There is seriously no compassion in America, it seems.

>>131084263
Nice graph. Now explain what the words in the legend on it means. What constitutes effective, safe, coordinated, or patient centered care? The rest? What do they mean? By what metric are they measured?

>>131084263

UK healthcare is great. It's just that you'll die before you ever see a doctor.

But once you get to that doctor, boy, you'll really be set. And dead. Because you live in a socialist hell-hole instead of a real country that cares about its citizenry.

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Universal healthcare doesn't work! Except in every single developed country in the world

>>131083988
I've never been to public schools in America but (thx internet) I talked with people from all over the world and all public education is based on the Bismarck model. It's 10% education and 90% indoctrination and gimping the ability to think critically. Don't take the 10/90 split literally. That was just to make a point. Gummints have the incentive to produce drones and small losses due to poor health-care are acceptable. That is the harsh reality of life. The only value you have to those in power is as tax cattle.

>>131083933
Sorry but I really don't get your point. Something, something, whargarbl, women. Why bring what someone has (or doesn't have) between his/her legs into all this?

>>131084263
>us below anyone for quality
??????? I can literally get surgery within the next twenty minutes and survive, thrive even, if I needed to
It just would cost me my unborn child

>>131084670
Healthcare is a service; you don't have a right to anyone's service or labor. You say Americans have no compassion, but you want to force people to work for you. Fuck off.

>>131080966
Nah fuck that
If I eat healthy, go to the gym to keep myself in shape and go to the doctor once a year for a physical. Why should I be "pitching in" for Johnny lard ass who eats fast food every meal and sits his ass on a couch most of the day and goes to the doctor twice a month while also taking a plethora of pills to keep his fatass alive.
Fuck that and fuck you
Keep your shitty ideals to yourself

>>131080456
>denmark
>population of 30 mill
Pick one

>>131084263
Bullshit spreadsheet. Occupied hospital beds in the hallways because rooms are crammed is common sight in EU hospitals. Unfortunately. And long waiting lists for scans too.

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>>131084917

Okay good. The poor will die and the middle class family that gets nailed with a big health insurance bill will become poor, and then die. It's one big cycle. You don't see anything wrong with that?

>>131080456
>what are economies of scale.

The US can do it even better.

Germany has 80 million people. France has 67 million. UK 65 million.

There's no reason the US can't do it with 325 million.

>>131084597
There is a lot of stuff that backs it up

The US was among only three countries (with Germany and Switzerland) where less than 10% of patients waited more than two months for a specialist

90% of American patientsreceived hip replacement in less than three weeks; no patients waited six months or more. UK median wait is 90+ days.

average wait for CABG (coronary artery bypass) in the UK was 57 days, in the US it less then a week.

Just wondering if they are just measuring ER wait times or something like that.

>>131085264
Even mcdonalds has employee health plans...

>>131085376
Leaf, your fellow countrymen (if they can put together a few shekels) opt to travel to US and get medical treatment and live instead of waiting for overwhelmed Canadian system to take care of them. The only people in canukistan who don't see socialized health-care for what it is are syrians and pakis because they are used to even worse.

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>>131085264
These are healthcare costs per capita since the 1960s. The sixties are when the United States government started getting involved with healthcare. Could you tell me how your position is backed up by evidence?

Access to health care and water are not human rights.

He need to cull our over populated planet anyway.

>>131085865
lol that's the most retarded argument i've ever heard

50,000 out of 36 million Canadians go to the US for healthcare every year. So Canadian healthcare only works for 99.9% of Canadians.

That's your argument?

Look, this is impossible for America for two reasons: A. a diverse population with different inherent diseases which will spread research thin; B. Obesity.

>>131086162
Not every canadian needs extensive health care every year you dumbass

>>131085870
You know all the other countries on that chart have govt run healthcare right?

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>>131079334
>america
>land of the free

Government healthcare and freedoms are incompatible. Americans are fat because they can be. They pay the consequences (at least they did before the growth of their gov programs). When a man gets fat as fuck he knows he must pay for his amputation later. When a woman eats her way to a heart attack at 34 she knows that bypass must be paid for by herself. This is the price of freedom. Freedoms aint free.

When you allow government into your healthcare you lose freedoms. You now must pay for all manner of illness and remember that this isnt 1950, youre not paying for johns leg issues from the war, you paying for 350lb john who cant stop drinking pepsi. When you make your health the responsbility of government it then creates the incentive to intervene in every aspect of your life. Taxes on anything and everything they deem unhealthy (until we find out in 20yrs time that it was that OTHER thing that was bad, like usual). Taxes on dangerous activities. You cant ride a bicycle without a helmet in my country. You cant go to a night club after 1am. This is what happens when you invite government into your healthcare. Dont get me started on the taxes either.

Then eventually youre left with paying 50% of your income for a service you know you could have got for absolute peanuts. The service is slow and inefficient and you end up going private in the end anyway. The amount of bureaucratic shit and administrators needed to set this up is insane. Pic related is what you get. US but theyre gov healthcare in all but name at this point. Eventually you hit s breaking point because this road to serfdom is a 1 way journey. The cost is too great and we begin to ration (uk now not giving treatment to smokers or the obese, i cant recall which until they hit targets DESPITE being forced to pay into this system all their lives) or you simply keep taxing until it all fails.

>>131086260
Only 50,000 go to the US every year. A tiny percentage.

Millions of Americans come here to buy prescription drugs every year.

>>131079935
Blame government intervention into what a plan should and shouldnt include. When governments legislate that insurance should cover check ups these costs rise. Insurance is about risk and when governments begin forcing them to start covering things that are no longer risks but rather annual events the cost rises.

There is a reason car insurance doesnt pay for oil changes and the like. It would simply result in high costs for all yet this same logic doesnt apply to healthcare and bloody murder is screamed when they do not.

>>131085870
It important to remember that 99% of healthcare costs are covered by insurance companies. The american people pay very little in copays.

>>131084841
>so blue-pilled he thinks women are the same as men

You're a lost cause unfortunately. I'm going to have to end the conversation here with a recommendation you get educated and stop being so ignorant, Anon.

>>131085556
It's not about getting "better treatment" or whatever; it's about having good enough treatment to where one needn't worry about dying. Universal health service availability even in a small degree spoils society, Anon.

>>131086162
Son, i'm not talking about stubbed toes. I'm talking about possible cancers and waiting for months to get a fuckin CT to confirm if it is and that's a whole lot of time to postpone starting cancer treatment and a whole lot less % chance of surviving. You obviously never had major health issues or you'd be singing a different tune. Thank god for that. Even though you are an idiot I still don't wish you harm and hope you have a good life.

>>131080966
Different culture. Americans have personal responsibility which is the obvious main cause of 99% of todays issues. In a society with government healthcare a big cultural shift is needed where one feels ashamed of using the pooled funds of society to pay for what he has inflicted upon himself. The issue as you can guess is that this doesnt happen and americans realise this. Brits are some of the fattest in the world yet they are forced to pay for one another. It cannot work for long and youll see the NHS collapse in your lifetime.

>>131086269
Yes, but my point still stands. Costs rose when government got involved.

>>131086764
>i'm not talking
But, please stop talking.

>>131079334

Plotter twist, they should end all regulations on healthcare. Allow anyone to practice medicine, with or without malpractice insurance, with a degree obtained in Harvard, in india or even a ver degree.

That would give at least some access to healthcare for poor people you don't have the shekels.

>>131086635
The owners of those companies are still part of the American people.

>>131086680
>>so blue-pilled he thinks women are the same as men
Where did I say that?
>You're a lost cause unfortunately. I'm going to have to end the conversation here with a recommendation you get educated and stop being so ignorant, Anon.
Whargarbl. No arguments. Ad hominem. Leaves like a spoiled brat.

OK

>>131086935
The real reason people here don't want universal healthcare service is because it liberates young women from their fathers and husbands, therefore ruining society, Anon.

>Over 40 million people on food stamps
>High obesity and illegal immigration rate
>Average student is 30k in debt
>Taxes are already high as fuck in Democrat states
>Cost of living increasing

Universal healthcare would bankrupt the U.S
Instead of losing 25% of your salary to taxes you'll be losing at least 40% which will only create more problem and a higher poverty rate

>>131086764
Lol on 2 separate occasions I've gotten CT scans the next day. You don't know wtf you're talking about. CT scans are easy.

MRI scan can take a few months unless it's an emergency. More and more now, hospitals are doing overnights where if you offer to come in at off-peak times (10 PM-6 AM) you can get them fairly quickly (matter of weeks).

This is all in Toronto. In the major cities you're fine. Sure if you live in bumfuck nowhere, you're gunna have to travel.

Do you have any clue how many Americans die or go broke because of their retarded system

>>131087150
>personal responsibility isn't important for maintaining a functioning society

Nah, you're politically illiterate, Anon.

>>131086846
your chart shows escalating in the 80s and now they're completely out of control

it's not the govt that's the problem

it's big pharma and the private industry. the for profit motive has no place in the health care industry

your system is fucked but who cares u people are too stupid to fix it

>>131087253
I never said it wasn't

Do children choose to get cancer?

>>131087289
If you give young women free access to healthcare it liberates them from the men who protect them, their fathers and husbands, Anon.

>>131084841
How anyone can look at the public school system, its immense cost and failure, then say this works lets do it to healthcare is beyond me

>>131087289
the so-called "private" industry (not free market) is only able to inflate their prices because of government regulation that destroys the market. Nice try though.

>>131085870
>Shows a graph
>The graph shows the opposite of what you mean

???

>>131087405
If some children must die of cancer in order that individuals in society take their responsibilities, it's obviously necessary. You're arguing toward emotion.

>>131087150
you're either lying or have had exceptional experience. it's fucking common knowledge that our system is garbage. you wait 8 hours to see a doctor or go to a private clinic and pay 1000 a trip.

i'm not against universal healthcare, but don't pretend our system is good. it fucking sucks.

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>>131087446
It's simple. We analyse facts and come to our conclusions.

People who actually look at the data reach the same conclusion. USA is shitskin tier in every healthcare indicator

>inb4 400 pound Cletus who works minimum wage blames the niggers for their own problems

>>131085264
Yeah socialized health care definitely didn't decimate the middle class recently you're right
If you want to be a little faggot and play the "muh rich vs muh poor" game you still fall short
The rich don't feel the effects of this shit
The middle class you claim to champion (protip: you dont, you champion degenerate shit people) feels the effects of having to pay for those who don't care about their health

>>131079334
>right to someone elses labor
no

>>131079855
IF NOT, SHOULD THEY?
>Stop posting

>>131079334
Not to health insurance. We do have a right to health care, meaning a Hospital cannot refuse you if you need emergency care.

>>131087630
>implying free availability of healthcare isn't actually poison

Epic blue-pill, Anon. :3

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>>131087539
>good goy
>the private sector always knows best
>healthcare CEOs are never greedy

>>131079334
No. Let them die.

>>131087560
>increase in spending after the gov't gets involved
???

>>131086535
>Faulty Comparison
You blame government for high healthcare prices yet every country with government subsidized healthcare pays nearly half what we do on a per person basis. In other words, your argument doesn't make any sense

>>131087701
It's not about money, Anon. It's about liberating people, especially young women, from their responsibilities. Like the difference between tithing and taxation, voluntary action is to be hugely differentiated from coerced action.

>>131087147
Vermont nearly did it until

>Vermont had to abandon its attempts to impose a single-payer health-care system when its greatest champion, Gov. Peter Shumlin, discovered that it would cost far more than he had anticipated. Similarly, last year Colorado voters resoundingly rejected ColoradoCare when a study discovered that even tripling taxes wouldn’t be enough to keep up with the costs.

Now california is contemplating it

>It would cost $400 billion to remake California’s health insurance marketplace and create a publicly funded universal health care system, according to a state financial analysis released Monday. California would have to find an additional $200 billion per year, including in new tax revenues, to create a so-called “single-payer” system, the analysis by the Senate Appropriations Committee found.

When you actually crunch the numbers it doesnt work. The same with that universal basic income shit

>>131087701
that's why you put the national before the socialism.
volkisch is :)
marxist is :(((

>>131086635
>99% of healthcare costs are covered by insurance companies
Wrong. You pay into those plans. Where do you think insurance companies get the money?

>>131087580
>literally defending the corporate profits against the safety of his own countrymen

Also

>You're arguing toward emotion.
>"individuals in society take their responsibilities"

>>131087954
>being a godless commie

Hell is for ever!

>>131087594
>you wait 8 hours to see a doctor

Don't you have a family doctor?

If you have a genuine emergency, you go to the emergency room and you're seen quickly

Again I live in Toronto. I don't know what it's like in bumfuck Alberta and I don't care about those rural retards. I'm sure the Maritimes aren't great because they're full of old fucks but in the only places that matter in Canada (Ontario and Quebec), healthcare is really good. Not perfect. But sure as shit a lot better than the US

>>131079334
I think it should be something like this
-US CITIZENS get free health care if fault free
-illegals get buried in debt, or are deported after medical care
-US CITIZENS do not get a pass for extremely risky behavior, like drugs or gay sex giving you aids
-Make a move to involve diet based healthcare
-make the food industry forced to use less corn syrup, and other junk

>>131087800
Yes, they're greedy, but they're only able to inflate prices because of government regulation. Did you even read my fucking post?

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>>131079334
They do not have a right to health insurance. And they shouldn't because it would discriminate against people who pay out-of-pocket.

Why do you need insurance companies' overhead?
Morons.

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>>131087701
>middle class never gets illnesses or diseases

>>131084921

you realize that no matter how healthy you are, sickness can happen out of nowhere, right? Also, that lardass is pitching in too.

>>131086764
It's really a cost benefit analysis. America is better suited at treating diseases that you'll probably never get but terrible at treating trauma, the flu, and normal diseases without bankrupting people

>>131087995
>caring about your people makes you a commie
peak libertarianism

No we don't. We should though, yes, because Europe has demonstrated that we can pragmatically deliver single payer healthcare to our populace

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>>131087630
>life expectancy as a measure

Well shit. If cuba is so good why do people risk their lives to get the fuck out. By your metric its paradise. Or possibly there is more to life than living long but quality actually matters. Youre also talking about life expectancy, a metric an obese nation isnt going to do well on even with 10/10 healthcare. Lifestyle choice is the reason america is bad in life expectancy, they have some of the highest cancer survival rates so thats not it

>>131087150
>Lol on 2 separate occasions I've gotten CT scans the next day
When was that? Because I have relatives and friends in Canuckistan and they paint a picture a lot different than you do.

>>131087954
That person is either a shit-tier troll or drank the feminist kool aid. Just check it's posts and all is there to see.

>>131087997
>i don't care about anyone except those in my faggy bubble

why the fuck are you on /pol/ gayboi

>>131087580
Retarded argument is retarded.
Nobody respond to this obvious idiot

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>>131087892
>It's impossible to have a single payer system
>Pretty much every country in the world has a single payer healthcare system

Really makes my neurons fire!

>>131087995
>Caring about the well being of my countrymen makes me a commie

Then i am the biggest fucking commie

>>131080966
Except some people pay more than others and some pay nothing at all

>>131086362
Prescription drugs that are cheap because the US subsidizes all the freeloading countries the reasearch and develepment of new drugs.

Seriously I'm gonna be very pissed if Trump doesn't tackle this shit.

>>131088269
I told you in Toronto. When? Twice over the last 2 years. The most recent was 2 years ago. I have plenty of friends in the medical industry. Where does your family live?

People just love to bitch a lot but no Canadians would trade their medicare card (OHIP in Ontario) for the crazy system Americans have

>>131079334
No. Health Insurance is a product marketed and sold to the general public. government should have nothing to do with propping up a middle man like this by calling their product a "right."

Americans should have a right to health CARE, not health insurance. We should be able to walk in to any clinic or hospital in the country, within reason, and expect to be given some degree of aid in an emergency situation.

Health insurance should be categorically illegal.

>>131088275
Ontario and Quebec are more than half of this country's population and economy. We are superior. I don't give a fuck about some rural retards in Alberta.

why not just make it like car insurance? where you put money away monthly, and you have premiums and shit, and then let the free market handle it?

>>131079334
Does a faggot who poz's himself and gets his asshole torn asunder on his own volition deserve meds and anal reconstructive surgery?
Does a fat fuck who eats himself to death on twinkies and McDicks deserve liposuction and a stomach staple?
All on the taxpayer's dollar?
No, and no.
Public execution former, and Auschwitz for the latter. Any fucking questions, faggots?

>>131088426
pay denbts

>>131088074
There's definitely an element of subversion here, Anon. The lower classes which can't think but can talk demand "moar" (TM), but without a middle class or upper class which has their best interests at heart, as evidenced by the White Genocide agenda, the lower class asks for things that hurt them, like State providing free availability for lower class women to get healthcare independently from the men in their families. Of course, if you were from some kind of alien ethnicity, you wouldn't have any natural feeling toward the people who you'd crush while doing everything possible to exact as much profit from them...

>>131088083
>sophomoric replies from the anon. who wants the state to give your daughters and wives the ability to become more easily independent from you

>>131088438>>131088269


Twice over the last 10 years I meant to say.

>>131087866
I never once said your healthcare wasnt government run. Medicare is costing you over a trillion dollars i believe. That is the very definition of government intervention. The reason its a fuck up is that you didnt go full free market and didnt go full commie. You stayed in the middle and got fucked by both ends. Government is the issue

>>131088532

so what about the young, aryan, white boy who eats healthy, plays outside, and gets fucking cancer?

>>131088551
I don't owe shit to Cucknada.

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>>131088518
>toronto
>superior

i hope you realize where all your food comes from

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>Right to
Sure, we can make that a right
>Mandatory
No, fuck off and die.

>>131088141
Not at all. You guys had it pretty good before obamacare/communism and lately there are really good new hospitals based on bring $ and get treatment popping up. And from what I have heard, those $$$ only hospitals are full of people who leave their obamacare card in the car since they wouldn't even have it if there weren't fines for not buying it.

>>131088653
who can keep track of your spiralling denbts

why don't u move to the mainland?

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>>131088732
from all over the world

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In Alaska we have public health centers that anyone can go to for free. We've had them for years.

>>131088776
Cause I don't need to. I live in paradise and have a steady job. Why would I move to a stinky mainland state full of niggers and burguers who only shower once a day?

>>131079334
>A right
No, just a privilege

The right to bear arms is a right

>>131088368
Then why do they not do it then? Euro states propping up their healthcare systems using their current weak economies and relying on US innovation (everyone talks shit about big pharma in america but the reason we get have the discoveries we have is because the american market allows it so) will not last long. When it finally collapses or begins rationing that is when it will enter endgame.

see >>131088426, innovation and the like would come to a halt the day america goes full euro and decides to have government take it all over. Euros live pretty nice now, riding off american military protection, american healthcare innovation etc. Leaves plenty in the budget to prop up generous healthcare systems

>>131079334
Does every American have a right to pay a private for/non-profit entity in order to pay for care they may or may not need? It is sort of mandated at the moment unless you pay a penalty or are considered too unproductive to pay for yourself.

>>131079334

NO ONE IS REFUSED HEALTHCARE IN AMERICA, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY PAY OR NOT...

Hospitals will admit you if you are sick even if you don't have insurance. If you are a perma-poor, you don't pay jack shit for healthcare. Period.

Health Insurance is a Jew scam...

>>131089147

Health Insurance is a scam... Americans can receive treatment for free.

>>131079334
No, and no. However for the sake of efficiency, the healthcare system should be a system similar to say Switzerland's, and hospitals should not be allowed to turn away people that have a serious condition. Positive rights are a fucking meme.

>>131088617
Some smallville in Quebec. I'd have to go through my emails to check exactly where. According to them, it's a semi-communist shithole. And they are anal on being bilingual in business. Even had some little shit measuring the size of letters on their windows because god forbid the sign in english would have a 0,1% larger font thant the one in french.

>>131089070
I wish they did their healthcare right business on the second amendment. Everyone is entitled to a rifle whenever

>>131080112
>>>131079855
>Most first world countries have right to health insurance.
In addition to all the reason others gave, this statement is simply incorrect. What americans consider rights is a god given allowance that can't be taken away. Rights for the rest of the world are powers given by the government. American is top tier freedom because the government doesn't give us our rights, god does.

>>131088088
Hmm so you're saying I should buy private insurance that charges me a low rate because I take care of my body to account protect myself from random ailments?
Will do
The fatass can pay for his own rate that the insurance company decides on since he's a bigger liability, we can both pay different rates
And you know what?! Maybe I don't give a fuck about randomly getting sick but you know what, that's my fucking decision. If I get sick and have nothing to fall back on that's completely on me.
Fuck off with your dependence on the government, you can choose to suck on that tit, I don't want to.

>>131089376
>Some smallville in Quebec

well there u have it. that's what i thought

What did I say?

>This is all in Toronto. In the major cities you're fine. Sure if you live in bumfuck nowhere, you're gunna have to travel. >>131087150

People want to live in the middle of nowhere and expect top tier healthcare? Typical rural retard behaviour.

Quebec is actually doing amazingly well right now. I've thought about moving there but the winters are even harsher.

Quebec Sees 2016-17 Surplus Swelling Tenfold to C$2.5 Billion
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-22/quebec-sees-2016-17-surplus-swelling-tenfold-to-c-2-5-billion

>>131089694
The issue comes when the fat ass says unfair at his higher premium or when dumbfuck joe says fuck insurance then cries on national television about getting sick and having no cash despite having a million opportunities to buy insurance previously.

Government takes these instances and swoops in, implementing commie care. A society to resist these temptations is damn near impossible and is why government will forever keep interfering.

>>131089490
The main difference is legalese but very important. You guys have the 'gummint will not restrict X' and we have 'gummint allows X' type major laws. This is generally speaking but one has to admit that your founding fathers were very good at recognizing everything that is bad in europe and doing their best to prevent it from happening in the US. 'gummint allows X' is a lot easier to remove than bypassing the 'gummint won't restrict x'.

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>>131089989
half of america is the fatass

>gif is obesity. you're plenty fat before you're obese

>right to life
>no right to health insurance
really jogs my nog...

>>131079334
>Rights

Human beings do not have rights in reality, they should not have any rights legally.

That would imply universal healthcare or something, which is entirely socialist and bad, it's much better to make healthcare more affordable and most doctors in general already offer discounts or free work for poor people.

>>131090233
Did your ancestors have health insurance? This is not necessarily for a species to survive just a modern convenience.

>>131090196
Exactly. One walk through the local shopping mall would convince an american to not get into a collective healthcare agreement with these people. I work in a hospital here and it has convinced me that 90% of our costs come from self inflicted diseases and lifestyle choices. Deciding to get into a healthcare system where these people do not pay more like insurance is suicide

>>131090237
You can't define something as "legally" and also say rights don't exist. If there is a legal system in place then someone has rights to something you fucking idiot.

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>itt
>reeee why can't I steal money from other people

Sigh ...

>>131088651
Shit happens. He was obviously genetically defective.

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>>131079334

>>131090544
well then why do conservashits fight against things like a soda tax?

>>131090196
And we're still asking wtf happened/is happening.

>>131090884
>soda tax

Failure whenever its been tried. Also why would you want to regulate what the people consume? In a country like ours where our health is the governments it makes sense that they tell us what to eat and how much but in the land of the free why? Not to say america doesnt have huge government intervention in its healthcare sector but rather why allow this to being impinging upon peoples choices? Soda tax is a fake measure to combat obesity that does nothing to it but instead lines the pockets of governments with more revenue to waste.

>>131090703
>You can't define something as "legally" and also say rights don't exist.

Very easily I can. The very concept of human rights, "the right to free speech" 'the right to free worship" etc etc, are fundamentally degenerate ideas that have allowed our society to degrade to the state it is in today, and that is the entire point of accepting them. They do not exist in the real, which is to say they are not some fundamental element of being human but rather are simply treated as such by human beings.

The sooner we can stop pretending that people have rights, the better.

>fairly quickly (matter of weeks)
Memorial Day: This might be cancer.
Labor Day: MRI
Halloween: Dead

>>131090884
Based Obama leaf

>>131091205
>Failure whenever its been tried.

wrong

government can actively discourage people from unhealthy products'

just look at the reduction in cigarette smoking in developed countries over the past few decades

>>131091529
portubro?

>>131091580
RWR hate facts. They love to defend things that directly hurt them. It's sadomasochism in it's finest form

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>>131091739
lol hey buddy it's you

are you done uni? i remember u saying u were studying for exams

>>131084423
That not how it works.

If you have a heart attack, they have to give you the heart surgery to fix you. Even if you have no money.

If your have a painful hip, then that up to you to pay.

>>131091580
Oh no doubt it can. Making a bottle of pepsi cost $10 will make anyone stop drinking it. What im saying is that the tax has just led to smuggling in philadelphia. Australia has the highest smoking taxes in the world i believe and has a booming black market. High taxes are essentially prohibition and we all know how well that works.

The question i have for you and the portugese bloke is why do you feel the need to regulate what the people can and cannot do? Surely a country that doesnt wish to pay for each others health can leave the people free to consume whatever they please? In government run healthcare nations i understand your logic, you pay for my healthcare therefore it is time for me to do my government mandated cardio and weightlifing session. Do you not see why people would dislike this in America?

>>131086680
>It's not about getting "better treatment" or whatever; it's about having good enough treatment to where one needn't worry about dying
Emergency treatment is covered no matter who you are
If you are over 65 or poor, you are covered.

Nobody has a right to Heath insurance. Your only insurance is your friends and family and your own damn self. No stranger should have to pay for your parasitic ass.

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>>131092195
>The question i have for you and the portugese bloke is why do you feel the need to regulate what the people can and cannot do?

because right wing retards can't be trusted if left to their own devices

>>131079334
if you can't afford to take care of your own health then you might as well just die

>>131079334
Nobody has a "right" to healthcare. Socialized medicine, like the welfare state in general, are creations of mindless women voters driven by muh empathy and matronly instincts. They bring with them socialism, and they will be the death of the West.
Nobody has a positive right to anything. All you parasites out there are going to learn that hard lesson soon enough.

>>131092585
So in the end it just always comes back to statist methods to control the people vs freedoms and its consequences. Why not just move to venezuela if you enjoy government control so much? theyve all but eliminated obesity there

This is an easy question to answer.

Basic healthcare is a human right. Our (America) government is funding too much shit and other things that I will not get in to in this post. Our government should be using our federal tax dollars strictly for essentials and nothing more. Military/homeland security, healthcare, education, etc. Everything else should be funded by state taxes. As a matter of fact, education should mostly be funded by the state's. The Fed should only help out state's states that absolutely cannot fully fund their educational programs.

>>131093082
how the fuck is a soda tax controlling people? jesus christ

>drinking liquid cancer

fuck off coca cola.

>>131093139
Also, to follow up, I said basic healthcare. That means annual check ups and emergencies only. That doesn't mean research drugs or experimental procedures, dental, or vision. Just absolute minimum to keep people from dying. Anything else should come at a cost. Also, the entire healthcare field should be mandated, regulated, and entirely ran by the government. Healthcare companies have had their shot and have proven themselves unworthy of running the healthcare system. For profit healthcare is an absolute travesty and has ruined our great nation. They need to fucking go with the rest of the Zionist mission.

>>131082515
Your a fucking moron... miners have some of the best employer provided healthcare coverage in the country.

>>131093281
>raise price on item 500%
>people stop buying it

It was their own free will by which they made this choice :^)

>>131088476
This right here. Healthcare would be cheap as fuck if health insurance companies didn't absolutely rape the American public by being for profit and basically regional monopolies. They completely control the price of medicine and hospital costs.

We have no use for them any longer and the government should either completely regulate them or ensure they are dissolved.

>>131093777
why are you being so hyperbolic? The Philadelphia soda tax is nowhere near 500%

that's insane

>>131094343
>pack of cigarettes costs $35 in australia

Apologies, 350% increase is it?

>Arizona Arnold Palmer Lite Iced Tea & Lemonade
>current price: $2.50
>new price: $4.42

Crikey thats almost double. Hyperbole will be true when they taste that revenue and go for more when they realise it hasnt had the impact on obesity they figured it would

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I became a poltergeist haunting /pol when I lost my insurance in April. If only we had single payer everyone would be immortal. Currently studying for the Spiritual Civil Service Exam. Hopefully I can become the guardian spirit of Congressional Baseball.

>>131095474
wait a minute. you're taking the price of a product in australia vs the price of a product somewhere else in the world and automatically assuming that the price difference is the result of an excise tax?

That is honestly retarded.

What is the actual tax % on cigarettes in Australia?

>>131091898
yes, today is my first vacation day

>>131096410
>that delay lol

nice grats

>>131096189
>That is honestly retarded.
What do you expect from a Right wing retard? They can barely finish high school

>>131096532
>>that delay lol
It was literally because i was playing lol

>>131096189
I took the $10 price from when cigarettes werent taxed excessively. The price would be lower but i am not old enough to remember a time so $10 is a reasonable starting point despite it not helping my argument. Prices are set to hit $40 by 2020, thats an increase almost at the hyperbole level i stated and using my higher start point.

In 2014 taxes made up almost half the price of Cigarettes and since then we have had several increases. I do not think my example is retarded as it is what has happened here.

>>131096569
pls educate me

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>>131079334
You obviously do not have a clue what a "right" is.
You are a fucking moron. KYS stupid faggot.
Sage and Hide

>>131097941
>what is inflation

>>131097941
just show me what the fucking australian excise tax on cigarettes is

I highly doubt it's 350%.

The soda tax in Philly is 1.5cents per ounce which looks like it comes out to about a 20% tax, depends on sugar content of course.

http://www.philly.com/philly/infographics/383217911.html

>>131079334
No. The constitution says nothing about health care.

>>131099130
Calm your tits son
http://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/13-2-tobacco-taxes-in-australia
The last table shows the tax % in australia and around the world in 2014 along with the second last graph showing the big increases after 2014.

>There will be a series of 12.5 per cent increases in excise for each of the next four years. That means a packet of cigarettes will cost about $40 in 2020.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-03/tobacco-tax-increase-will-cut-smoking-rate/7380748

The fundamental issue here is not the amount but rather that you believe in it and i do not. Changing peoples decisions based on taxes on what government deems good and bad is being controlled by bureaucrats. In a nation that doesnt want public health care you think this should be i do not understand unless you simply enjoy controlling people in which case i think you missed the soviet union by a few decades


>>131098630
I do hope this isnt some Wiemar type stuff

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>>131079334
>need to be retarded or a weak bitch to not uproot to where there are jobs or not learn a skill in demand (I always see 'mechanic needed for $44k a year starting' ads all the time) getting jobs that pay $35k+
>not being able to use $2.5k of your annual income for health insurance?
>nothing is fair in life, as is pre-existing conditions, but even our single cell organism ancestors struggled to survive with the majority going extinct
>as if deserving to see a doctor for free is a right while they sacrificed and endured learning/training for a decade and would rather not want compensation

>>131079334
Depends. Bug chasers, welfare parasites, niggers, illegals, etc all do not deserve anything and should be culled.

>>131082515
They just don't want to cater to niggers, wetbacks, and fatties.

>>131084795
It won't work in Canada when the country is 50% non white

>>131089084
>t.AbsolutelyThread.jpg

>>131088994
How is that any different from Puerto Spico?