/Christ/chan CHRISTIAN GENERAL - REPENT! STOP SINNING! TURN BACK

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Rick Wiles: Prophetic Warning, Debt Tidal Wave Towering Over Sleeping America

https://www.spreaker.com/user/trunews/trunews-06-19-17

The never-ending political hoopla to delegitimize the election of President Donald J. Trump is a smokescreen to divert our attention away from a financial tsunami wave that is rising higher at a furious speed. President Ronald Reagan’s director of the Office of Management and Budget David Stockman said it correctly days ago when he told CNBC, “This is one of the most dangerous market environments we’ve ever been in. It’s the calm before a gigantic, horrendous storm that I don’t think is too far down the road.”

Meanwhile, legendary investor Jim Rogers told Business Insider days ago, “Some stocks in America are turning into a bubble. The bubble’s gonna come. Then it’s going to collapse, and you should be very worried.” Mr. Rogers predicted the crash would happen later this year or 2018. The 74-year-old billionaire said the financial crisis will be the worst in his lifetime.

Mr. Bill Gross, also a billionaire, said last week that U.S. markets are experiencing levels of risk at the highest levels since the 2008 financial crisis. The Holy Spirit showed me this mega storm in 1998. It’s been coming in successive waves. A monster-size tidal way is headed our way very soon.

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https://youtu.be/Px_aCjR5ZFA

Reminder, protestants sucked jew dick and created Israel. Catholics and Orthodox never tolerated that shit. Protestants are merchants just like jews.

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https://youtu.be/YHhhrWQGzk0

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https://youtu.be/bIbh942Or5o

>>131071686
Thank you so much for the audio!

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>>131072658
We don't need a reminder senpai

>>131072658
Reminder: One of the reasons the Reformation happened was because Rome decided to be Jews and have a buy your way into heaven scheme selling indulgences.

>praising a jew

>>131074193
>being a godless heathen
>implying all Jews are bad anyway
>implying being an Atheist isn't 100 times worse

memes =/= reality

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>>131072658
Luckily I'm not a Protestant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=typ2pl2L47k

>>131074334
>being an atheist is 100 times worse than being a literal jew-worshipper
>"le based good jews xD"
This is the most sickening post I've seen all month, it's as if it was plucked directly from T_D

>>131074599
Step outside for the first time in your life, loser. I know Jews and they are superior to edgelord unsaved heathens such as yourself. If you do not believe in God you are a brainlet.

>Using meme flags
Show your real flag

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>>131071686
There is nothing more european than worshiping a communist jew on a stick

>>131075332
>All these hellgoers using meme flags
really makes u think
have fun burning for eternity :) one day it will hit you like a train and by then it'll be too late

>>131074802
>Goyem, praise this god, learn to be passive, you don't want to fight for the top. We'll handle that for you

>>131075478

as likely as the fact that it will hit you that you wasted your whole life following a ruler and not living yourself

>>131076131
>the "nice Jesus" myth
yeah the Crusaders sure were passive, so was Jesus when he cleansed the Temple
>>131076268
>another meme flag
you "people" sure are a spectacle

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be a good Christian goy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1siFRJEFWA

I want to wish UAE poster a nice day

>>131076405
>Thinking wasting a bunch of lives for Jewish lands is great

Notice war and sacrifice is alright only when the Jews are in trouble?

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https://youtu.be/WLoC0rPUwAQ

>>131076823
>being silly

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>>131076600
Aww, thank you.

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https://youtu.be/wLZEgzgt6_I

>>131071686
It's important for anons to learn how to do apologetics to learn how to defend the faith and answer typical questions.

To all here, please look for some resources on it. There are plenty of ebooks online.

What's /christ/chan opinion on John Hagee?
Pastor Anderson calls him a satanist.

>>131078385
I won't act retarded anymore. I am sorry for making you cry

>>131079480
Woah Alroy, it's okay don't ask sorry again.

>>131079711
What is an alroy?

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>>131079239
God's Word does not come back void, so both of these (misled) pastors are still preaching the Gospel, even though they may not get everything correct. God's people are still getting fed.

I don't follow any particular pastor anymore for my daily bread, I just read the Bible with the force and power of the Holy Spirit.

I used to physically attend John Hagee's church in San Antonio, TX on occasion. I think Pastor Hagee is a great man. That said, I don't agree with his dual-covenant theology which contradicts the gospel claiming Jews are saved de-facto. Also his book he published a few years ago claiming Jesus was not The Messiah was the final deal-breaker for me.

I also used to follow Pastor Anderson for a while back when I was a baby Christian. He makes a lot of good points and I appreciate Pastor Anderson's hardline stance on sin and heresy. That said, "once saved, always saved" is not Biblical, if you really read through what Jesus says in the Bible it's quite the opposite. His KJV-onlyism, in my opinion, is because he does not have the Holy Spirit. I have never seen Pastor Anderson preach on the Holy Spirit.

Finally, the important thing for me was to seek God's Face. Both of these men really bothered me in the Spirit but I couldn't put my finger on it even though I was getting my fill of the Holy Wine. I also went to other misled Christians online back in the day, which discouraged me once I found out who they really were. However, I persevered and I kept seeking God's Face and He answered my prayer through way that are specific to me that I know it is Him. I pray the same for all of you as well. Read the Bible in the Spirit. Seek and you will find. God Bless.

>>131071686
Gtfo christfag

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https://youtu.be/X1IPYipEw-Q

>>131080599
Protect my clan, segway man! And protect this board from the normie conservative hoard

>>131080319
Should have made is more obvious with a name like Seamus or Patrick

>>131080319
I am not Irish or Catholic. Delete this

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>>131080338
Yeah, I agree.
I stopped watching John Hagee videos right after when he said "Jesus didn't claim to be a messiah"
I'm pretty new to Anderson but I've seen him saying there's no repentance for sodomites, but yeah he makes some good points.

I've just experienced holy spirit once, I long for the Holy Spirit everyday but unfortunately I just don't get it.

>>131080829
Oh okay

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Beelzebub, Lord of Flies, does not appreciate this thread

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why the fuck are pepe threads ban while this shit is allowed??


This place is fucking censored as fucked and now its ruined.

>>131081142
It is ok Aisha

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HOLY SHIT

(((ATHEISTS))), (((SCIENTISTS))) AND (((EVOLUTIONISTS))) BLOWN THE ABSOLUTE FUCK OUT

HOW CAN THEY RECOVER FROM THIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q19qRUBj-ic

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>>131081142
>I've just experienced holy spirit once, I long for the Holy Spirit everyday but unfortunately I just don't get it.
All I know is, faith without works is dead so I keep working at my faith and persevere. I have many problems just like you so don't be discouraged. FWIW, I look at other Spirit-filled Christians like https://www.youtube.com/user/junipertreeandbeyond and others and see what they do as well. Listen, I will pray for you and I hope this helps. God Bless.

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https://youtu.be/bBkfcMvPOIc

>>131081676
>>131081142
Stop trusting yourself and follow Kierkegaard for starters

>>131076268
>atheist preach the "live for yourself" meme
>atheist also claim their is no meaning to life

Until every atheist kill them self they're all hypocrites that don't even buy into their own theory. Literally the smallest inconvenience is just as good a reason to end it for an atheist, if you don't you're prolonging a pointless existence

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>>131081848
I follow Jesus

>My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me (John 10:27)

>>131081965
You cannot him because your entire framework is wrong

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>>131082090
You don't seem very Christlike to me, my friend.

>>131076823
>Revelations 3:9 Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you.

Don't be a goob, actually read the Bible the current Jews are literal satanist and only true redpilled christians know this

>>131081676
Thank you anon, God bless you :)

>>131081848
>Kierkegaard
Never read any of his works, but I've seen some of his books online. Where should I start from?
The brothers karamazov is a good Christian book I've read soo far

legit question to christians ITT: how do you reconcile the biblical stories obviously being not true?

As in the geneologies from the "start" of the world only adding up to ~6k years, a "firmament" that holds the other sea above the sky so it doesn't fall on us, etc. etc.

>>131082284
Am I supposed to lie? There is only one way,

http://www.academia.edu/185285/Why_Luther_is_not_Quite_Protestant_The_Logic_of_Faith_in_a_Sacramental_Promise

Did you follow God's promise?

>>131082378
Fear and Trembling and The Sickness Unto Death.

These two are what I personally recommend

>>131082512
I just looked at your posts ITT and you're not a Catholic. Are you Orthodox?

>>131082410
Not everything is supposed to be historical.
The Bible isn't a blueprint. It's a collection of books. Poetry, myth, parables, chronicles, and everything.

I could add more if you're interested.

>>131082410
https://answersingenesis.org/evidence-for-creation/six-evidences-of-young-earth/
>>131082740
Thank you anon

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>>131082410
>legit question to christians ITT: how do you reconcile the biblical stories obviously being not true?
They are all true and they all happened literally. God created the Heavens and the Earth and all life on this Earth, God created Adam and Eve, there was The Flood, God unleashed the plagues upon Egypt and the splitting of the red sea, a talking donkey, and a man that walks around healing people and raising people from the dead.

>As in the geneologies from the "start" of the world only adding up to ~6k years
Yes, all life on this Earth is recent (6,000-12,000 years), but the Earth and the Universe may have been around much longer. Jesus said in the Bible He saw Satan fall like a lightning bolt from Heaven, when did this happen because by the time of Genesis, Satan was already fallen.

(1) In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (2) The earth was formless and void, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the water. (Genesis 1:1-2)

Notice how there could be a gap between verses 1 and 2. Why was the Earth formless and void in the first place? Why wasn't it already created with everybody on it? Look up "Gap Theory." Be smart and open your mind.

>a "firmament" that holds the other sea above the sky so it doesn't fall on us, etc. etc.
The Bible doesn't say this in this way. This was a very common misconception in the pagan world which is commonly misattributed to the Bible. Pic related. God Bless.

>1998+19
>still worshiping a dead kike on a stick
kek

>>131083071
>AD 2017
>using a (((fascism))) flag
Top hue

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>>131082826
I don't know what I am. I am wondering myself. I only know I am attracted to theologies that shows despair and a realisation of the hopelessness in trusting yourself.

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>>131083001
Damn dude, geology, biology and astronomy are fucking done. How will they recover?

>>131083005
And the biblical flood too? Enlighten me senpai

>>131082320
I have, was raised by an orthodox priest. Doesn't make the stuff any less bullshit

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>>131083634
>And the biblical flood too? Enlighten me senpai
About 12,000-6,000 years ago, the Earth was formless and void. That is when the Creation event in Genesis 1:2 starts. We do not know what the Earth was like before this time and for how long after Genesis 1:1.

Between the time of Adam and Noah, the Earth was different. We don't know exactly how. All we know is after The Flood, God gave Noah a rainbow as a covenant that God will not Flood the Earth again. This means that during antediluvian Earth, there was no possibility of a rainbow, hence no rain. Many speculate antediluvian Earth was covered in some haze with a thicker atmosphere with no chance of a rainbow. The rest is speculation and that's up to you to look into. By the way, all ancient religion and customs do point to a cataclysmic Flood event in ancient human history.

L.A. Marzulli does cover this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvIPswDBzYU. Again look around and do your research and read your Bible. Seek and you will find.

>>131080338
>"once saved, always saved" is not Biblical
Please explain. My understanding in the opposite by default but that's because it's never been explained any other way to me.

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>>131084443
You need to pray about it and read your Bible. Specifically what Jesus Himself said in the four gospels. It's all right there in front of you. Faith without works is dead, and I can't be your replacement for the Holy Spirit. Don't let man's interpretation through religious organizations or some pastor's doctrine tell you what God is trying to tell you through the Scriptures. Let the Holy Spirit speak to you.

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>>131084405
Wow, if only that theory wasn't retarded. Thanks for your thoughts though!

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>>131084443
Think of Salvation as a journey. When you do, you can see why it is a mistake. Your assurance is in Christ so you will grip onto Him for as long as you live and never let go.

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>>131084814
Glad to help, God Bless.


>For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

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>>131084776
Acts 8
30So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?"
31 And he said, "How can I, unless someone guides me?" And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

God has appoint some to be teachers anon. Thanks anyway though

>>131084823
But isn't that the opposite of grace? If you're doing all the work that isn't faith in God that's faith in yourself.

>>131085490
It is only the opposite of it if you think you can do it on your own. That is why I said that your assurance is in Christ, not yourself. So you must cling onto him like a rabid dog to the very end.

>>131085336
This is included in the Bible because Christian's don't want you to read the Bible and understand it yourself. They want to tell you what it says and how to interpret it. If you read without a "teachers" insight you will realize it's bullshit.

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>>131072658

>>131085641
So you don't believe in an inherent bible?

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Just came across this video. They say that the holy spirit is a separate person in this video, isn't it against the trinity?
https://youtu.be/oNNZO9i1Gjc

>>131085809
The Holy Spirit is not the Father or Jesus. It is a 'separate' person in that regard. But He is still God like the Father and the Son and share the same essence with them.

>>131085752
No. I believe all organized religion is evil. If you want to find God you do it without the help of books or organizations designed to control you and take your money. I'm not saying that to be a troll either. If you are a Christian I highly recommend you take a hard honest look at organized religion and realize that you can get to heaven and know God without it.

>tfw no good Christian kino

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>>131086029
What, I thought the Holy Spirit is God himself

John 10:30 King James Version (KJV)

30 I and my Father are one.

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>>131085809

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>>131086787
Yes, but God is three persons.

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>>131071686
Step 1: Realize Christianity is a Jewish means of control
Step 2: Realize the christcuck threads on /pol/ are created by shills
Step 3: Realize "gods word" is the hearsay of man and nothing but conjecture
Step 4: Be spritual, not religious. Focus on self betterment and self meditation. The spirit in the sky is bullshit and is not going to help you.

Spiritual: Being open minded about our consciousness and its connection to the wider universe; are we insignificant or just the universe experiencing itself. Do we really die? Are we really alive?

Religion: Believing a book written by a couple of lunatics 2 thousand years ago about the adventures of a schizophrenic and his stories of an invisible sky wizard who created everything

Spiritual: Being a human, wondering, building, dreaming

Religion: Cancer, war, money, mind control, pedophilia, death

Christianity is a jewish scourge upon the western world, and the root of hyper-empathetic liberal ideology. It glorifies weakness and submission while vilifying strength and self determination.

Christians have been duped by the unholiest hoax in all history, by so-called Jews. This is considered their most effective weapon.

This 'big lie' technique is brainwashing United States Christians into believing that Jesus Christ was "King of the Jews", in the sense that so-called 'Jews' today call themselves 'Jews'. This reference was first made in English translations of the Old and New Testaments, centuries before the so-called Jews highjacked the word 'Jew' in the 18th century A.D. to palm themselves off on the Christian world as having a kinship with Jesus Christ. This alleged kinship comes from the myth of their common ancestry with the so-called 'Jews' of the Holy Land in the Old Testament history, a fiction based on fable

>>131086897
>God is three persons.
But if I take this trinity >>131086790 into consideration, God is one person in three form.

>>131087064
>Christianity glorifies weakness and submission

lol, maybe if you don't actually read the fucking Bible.

>>131078971
1 Peter 3:13-18

"Who is going to harm you if you are eager to do good? But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear their threats; do not be frightened.” But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit."

>>131087234
Lord forgive me for cursing

>>131087215
The diagram says that God the Father is not God the Son and God the Spirit and so on and so on.

>>131087064
>Be spritual, not religious

There is no greater cancer than this

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>>131087064
http://www.desertwisdom.org/dttw/resurrection/radical-catacomb-teaching.html

>>131087458
Oh, I've failed to see that.

>>131078971
>Spread the Word
http://crossexamined.org/christian-apologetics/

>>131087265 >>131087731

Christian Apologetics can be summarized in two parts: (a) objective reasons and evidence that Christianity is true (it corresponds to reality) and, (b) the communication of that truth to the world.

In a way, this is what Dr. Jordan B. Peterson is doing with his Bible lecture series. Christ is logos.

The father I get it he's God
The son is Jesus, whom was created by God in the womb of the Virgin Mary. And because he was created by God, he is also God.
But what is the holy spirit exactly?

Brothers, I have been spending time on /christian/ on 8ch and most of the Cathodox posters believe sex is only for procreation. The claim that you should not enjoy sex and should not lust after your own wife. Surley this is not so as that would mean even kissing is a sin as it is lustful and non procreative. Also what is the least cucked liturgical protestant denomination?

>>131089124
>The claim that you should not enjoy sex and should not lust after your own wife

But supposedly sex within marriage strengthens it

I was looking for God and I found a God: a God of chaos

His name is Kek and he has the head of a frog surmounted by a beetle

These Kekistani people are misrepresenting my God. They're saying it's a religion of peace FFS

>>131089124
>liturgical
The high church wing of the Church of Sweden apparently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbetsgemenskapen_Kyrklig_F%C3%B6rnyelse

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>>131089124
Proverbs 5 15-19
15 Drink water from your own cistern, running water from your own well.
16 Should your springs overflow in the streets, your streams of water in the public squares?
17 Let them be yours alone, never to be shared with strangers.
18 May your fountain be blessed, and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth.
19 A loving doe, a graceful deer— may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be intoxicated with her love.

>>131089764
What kind of church do you attend in UAE?

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>>131090183
Anglican, can't give more information since the number of churches is fairly less which makes it easier to expose my identity. Sorry

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>>131087475
There is no greater cancer than indoctrinating yourself into a Jewish means of control.

6-6-6 #FUCK JESUS!!!!! commie Marxist Zionist bullshit...."WE WILL TEAR YOUR SOUL APART"

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>>131089124
Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.” (Genesis 2:18)

Read Song of Solomon. Also Ecclesiastes and 1 Corinthians. The Bible always has the final authority and is pretty clear on this.

>>131090428
But you can tell us how old are you?

>>131090511
wew i need a band-aid

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God's Not Dead

https://youtu.be/5NQZKhiT8VE

>>131090500
but it was the Jews that rejected Christ

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>>131090613
>asking age

By the way it's nice to witness the change in you, you've changed a lot.

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>>131091017
I feel so bad since you were always so nice to me. You were the anon that wanted to be friends, s-so let's be friends

I had an interview for a job operating a robotic welding setup today, will probably start next week. Will be making roll cages and racing components for Mustangs. Made in USA 'n sheeeiit.

The girl doing the interview met me at Waffle House and put lunch on the company credit card. She was gorgeous, about 10 years my junior. Germanic/Polish blond looks with beautiful silver-blue eyes. Mid twenties, fit, a south Georgia peach.

I said grace and she mentioned she is a Methodist, or maybe it was Presbyterian... w/e.

Would marry/10. She gave me her card and hand wrote her cellphone number on it. She said she'd call me Monday morning with the orientation details.

I mentioned Kent Hovind while we were talking about our personal stuff. Was thinking about linking her one of his videos.

God is good pol.

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>>131091316
Sure, we're all children of God.

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>>131091412
>10 years junior
creepy

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>>131083001
Lad, there's skeletons, ruins of cities and even living trees older than 6k years. How does this even remotely fit into young earth creationism?

>>131083005
>The Bible doesn't say this in this way. This was a very common misconception in the pagan world

This seems pretty straightforward to me:

>"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."
>"And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so."

obviously there is water above the heavens and the "firmament" is what's holding it from falling on people. It literally says that god "opens up" the heavens(firmament) which allows the water to pour out and flood the world:
>"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
>"And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights."

If this is a "mis"-conception, then what is the correct conception? How else is this supposed to be interpreted?

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https://www.youtube.com/user/ihopkc/live

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>>131091688
Let us post anime together

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>>131089657
This is fucking embarrassing. Stop. Kekistan at this point is pretty much the equivalent of unironically posting "LE EPIK TROLLFACE XDD"

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>>131091773
Believe what you want.


>Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness. (Genesis 15:6)

>believing the earth is 6000 years old

the only thing that's 6000 years old according to the bible is mankind

>>131092293
No no no no no. Stop being literalist

This video inspired me to go on a fast, or at least convinced me that I'm capable of doing. Has anyone ever fasted for more than a week or two? I'd be happy to get any sort of advice you can give. I plan on just taking a multivitamin and drinking water and tea. I don't know if I could put honey in my tea or if that would keep me out of a state of ketosis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APZCfmgzoS0

>>131076823
>Jewish lands
By the time of the crusades, the lands had been void of jews for nearly a thousand years.

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>>131071686
Peace with you brothers!

>>131092152
>Believe what you want.

yeah obviously

I'm just trying to make sense of what exactly you even believe in the first place!

If there is no firmament holding the sea that's ABOVE the sky, then how do those verses make sense?

Like how do they make sense to you? How do you reconcile this?

>>131071686
I'm too smart to relate to my peers and want to drop a couple of dozen IQ points. How do I become a Christian?

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>>131091946
Sure, it's mid night right now. Good night, see you tomorrow.

>>131092351

pls address: ----->
>>131082410
>>131091773

>>131082410
They are theological truths not historical facts.

>>131092659
They're obviously not meant to be - if this was the case, why would the VAST majority of christians take these as a literal account of world history?

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>>131092570
Start reading him or Plato and Aristotle, you will feel dumb in no time.

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>>131092428
I don't know. I don't know what it is you're seeing, because I'm not seeing it. I will admit when I was newly saved, there were many questions and doubts in my mind. I just powered through it and focused on Jesus Christ and what He had to say. He is alive, you know. Faith without works is dead. I still have questions, but that doesn't shake my faith in Christ Jesus. I just keep seeking His Face and His Righteousness.


>But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be given to you. (Matthew 6:33)

>>131091705
>t. child

>>131082410

The bible's human authors were not writing scientific textbooks. They described and dealt with things in a more or less figurative language, or in terms which were commonly used at the time. Just like ancient people who spoke of "the sun goeth forth in his might," we describe what we observe with expressions that are useful. After all, we too speak of the sun "rising" and "setting" even though the sun does not move in an orbit that "rises" over the earth. We call this the "language of appearances" because it describes the world as it appears to our senses. These descriptions are true, but they are not literal in nature. When skeptics mock scriptural passages that describe human beings "thinking in their hearts" they demonstrate an unwillingness to allow the text to be as flexible as modern expressions.

Scripture is free from error in what the ancient authors asserted, not what they wrote. The author of Genesis did not understand some of the scientific truths we know today (just as we don't understand scientific truths humans will come to learn in the future). But any lack of knowledge on the part of the ancient author would not constitute an error in his text because the author is not asserting a scientific description of the world, but a popular one.

The genealogies in Genesis cannot be used to date the age of the universe because they were not meant to be exact chronicles of history. In some cases generations were ommitted in order to make a symbolic point. In other cases the ages themselves may be symbolic and not literal. The genealogies in scripture were primarily focused on showing how different people were related to one another, not how long ago they lived.

>>131092824
>VAST majority of christians

>protest*nts
>majority

>>131085336

read isaiah no one understands isaiah , its like the old testaments revelations

>>131092659
>>131092824
also, can you explain the "theological truth" of Noah living 600 years if you admit that this never happened? What is one supposed to learn from it ?

>>131092572
Yeah, good night my friend

>>131092607
I am not a Biblical literalist and I also believe in the human element of the Scriptures so I am not surprised if the authors drew from what they know to describe what they had encountered

>>131092428
Kent Hovind is who you want to talk to.
He's out of prison and is no longer being treaded on, and has his own interactive YouTube channel.
The waters shielded the earth from radiation and allowed for giant lizards and bugs, and even giant humans.

>>131092956

In ancient Mesopotamia it was a common practice to ascribe greatness to someone by inflating his life span. This is evident in an ancient list of kings of Sumer that describes rulers who allegedly lived for tens of thousands of years. The earliest kind on this list to be confirmed as having actual historical existence is Enmebaragesi, who was recorded to have lived for 900 years. Another historically verifiable king , Aga of Kish, was recorded to have lived for 625 years.

Some historians don't discount the existence of these kings despite their inflated life spans, we should not discount the trustworthiness of the bible just because it describes people with similar life spans. These descriptions may be nonliteral ways of ascribing greatness to someone, or, as Scott Hahn says, "this may be simply a literary technique used to assert the remarkable age of the human race itself.

>>131092842
>(((Thomas))) Jewquinas

>>131092923
Are you saying catholics/orthodox don't accept these as a literal recollection of world history in the exact same way?

Do you think your average catholic priest would agree if you told him "The bible isn't actually true, it's just stories but they're still useful"?

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>>131092945
>isaiah
Speaking of the Book of Isaiah, did you know each chapter in Isaiah corresponds to each book in the Bible? Read it and be amazed.

>>131093157

You have to consider each book, and sometimes each section of the book on it's own. Some we is history, some we don't know, and some is definitely poetry.

>>131093157
>They are theological truths not historical facts

I am talking about Genesis here, and yes this is the stance of the Catholic church

>>131093157
Only liberal 'Christians' would think that way. If those books aren't divinely inspired and are found to be somehow false, we are screwed

>hurr it's not literal

the resurrection might as well not be literal either then

>>131093557

That's like saying because a library contains books of fiction, it follows that every book in a library is fiction. Like any piece of literature, we can examine the genre of a particular scriptural passage and see what kind of message it communicates. When we do that, we find that categorizing Jesus' life or his resurrection as "helpful fictions" does not make sense of the biblical data.

>>131071686
Please pray for my mother she's ill.

>>131093111
great, I see that your IQ is already dropping

>>131092862
a religion that so aggressively claims itself to be THE truth (as in, Jesus/Logos in and of himself is Truth in human form), it's astounding to me that so many of you feel completely comfortable with the cognitive dissonance of simultaneously interpreting biblical stories literally and believing that they are true. This level of inconsistency isn't really something that convinces anyone

>they were not meant to be exact chronicles of history
how do you feel about the cast majority of christians accepting biblical stories as literal historical record?
Also for something like the flood which we do know with absolute certainty did not happen, how could id be true that they were never wrong in what they -assert- but only the wording? If it's a recollection of a historical event that didn't happen, how is it true in any way, literal or metaphorical?

>>131093062
> the authors drew from what they know to describe what they had encountered
and when they describe untrue things, that doesn't in your mind invalidate the bible being divinely inspired?

>>131093557
>induction

non valid form of logical conclusion

>>131093217

You got some more info on that ?

>>131093708

We shouldn't assume the author of Genesis was asserting that a worldwide flood took place. Modern readers may interpret passages in Genesis that describe water covering "the earth" as meaning the entire planet was inundated. But a resident of ancient Mesopotamia may have only understood "the earth" to mean "the land" or the region he knew. In fact, the Hebrew word for "earth" in this passage, eretz, can also mean "land," as in Genesis 41:57, where it says that "all the eretz came to Egypt to buy grain" when a famine struck the region. Of course, this doesn't mean that everyone on the planet went to Egypt to buy grain, just those people who inhabited the region the author was referring to went there.

Geologists have discovered that melting glaciers near the black sea could have caused the collapse of giant ice dams about seven thousand years ago. Such an event would have triggered sudden, massive flooding across a wide area.

The Author of Genesis may also have used popular storytelling devices found in other flood narratives in order to show how the God of the Israelites was superior to pagan deities. For example, in the Epic of Gilgamesh the gods are afraid of the flood and flee to higher ground, but in Genesis God is in complete control of the disaster and is unaffected by it.

The Epic of Gilgamesh also seems to have been derived from an even older story called the Epic of Atrahasis. In this story, a pantheon of gods flood the earth because human beings had become too huberous and noisy. The author of the Genesis account may even have been purposefully subverting this anti-life attitude in his own narrative in which God commands that Adam and Eve "be fruitful and multiple." God's decision to send the flood in judgment of sin instead of as a population control measure would be a further subversion of this theme.

>>131093532
> If those books aren't divinely inspired and are found to be somehow false, we are screwed
How so?
Is it not good news that you won't have to suffer eternal hellfire?

>>131093657
>categorizing Jesus' life or his resurrection as "helpful fictions" does not make sense of the biblical data.
Then what does?
Aside from helping us understand behavioral archetypes inherent to humanity, what is one supposed to take away from the story once you accept that it didn't actually happen as the bible describes?

>>131093708
The Old Testament shows struggles with the concept of God where He is multi-personal or singular. This also extends to how sacred space is viewed where there is a tension between the space itself being some symbol that points to something else or actually being sacred. This doesn't mean the Bible contradicted itself, it simply shows the human element of the authors trying to comprehend the inspiration they received and their experience with God.

This is not to say somehow the Bible is wrong but that sometimes we must also acknowledge the Bible's more human aspect in the form of its authors writing down the text and the issues they are grasping with.

>>131094169
It means the Logos did not die for us. It means we will die and the faith, worthless or a placebo at best.

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>>131093708
a religion that so aggressively claims itself to be THE truth
>(as in, Jesus/Logos in and of himself is Truth in human form)

That's why you can interpret New Testament literally, every word of it, while Old Testament is hidden behind 10 000 and more years old veil which needs further context and understanding
of Semitic culture and language.

>>131094169

The story of Job teaches patience and the story of Jonah teaches obedience, but a fictional story of Jesus dying and coming back to glorious, immortal life would not teach people anything. The nonexistence of Job or Jonah doesn't make these stories any less valuable, but if Christ did not rise then there's no point in being a Christian.

>>131094064
>We shouldn't assume the author of Genesis was asserting that a worldwide flood took place

come on dude. Once you get to this level, the entire thing becomes so airy and evasive you're almost forced to flush it down the toilet

>Mesopotamia may have only understood "the earth" to mean "the land" or the region he knew.
...but we also know that the entire "area" of then Mesopotamia could not have and did not sit underwater for 150 days. What does this change?

>The Author of Genesis may also have used popular storytelling devices found in other flood narratives
You already analyze it as basically no different than an exaggerated story by Herodotus or something, how do you still manage to find divinity in all this?

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>>131071686

>>131094721

I made a mistake in thinking you were genuinely curious. I have better things to do, carry on.

>>131094721
>...but we also know that the entire "area" of then Mesopotamia could not have and did not sit underwater for 150 days. What does this change?

majority of ancient cultures had story about great flood that took place maybe the most famous one being Atlantis. Interpret it as you like.

>>131092371

Anyone?

>>131094264
> its authors
a historical document then. A useful one, but at the end of the day, just that.

>It means the Logos did not die for us. It means we will die and the faith, worthless or a placebo at best.
...which means that the truth is still out there - that much is good news.

>>131094453
> but if Christ did not rise then there's no point in being a Christian.
But in order for Christ to -literally- rise from the dead means that one NECESSARILY HAS TO reconcile the stories&worldview of the old testament as well, since otherwise a bodily resurrection wouldn't make any sense. If the god of the old testament isn't literally true, neither would there be any point in a resurrection/ a final human sacrifice.

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what do you guys know about Calvin?

I heard he wanted to remove exodus from the bible because it's tooo dark

also heard he had anger problems


whatcha thihnk about him?

>>131093657
>That's like saying because a library contains books of fiction, it follows that every book in a library is fiction

The Bible is supposed to be the literal word of God tho. Either all of it is true, or none of it is.

Saying one book "is just a story/lesson" throws the whole thing into doubt

Do you not believe that God is great enough to cause a flood or to lead the Hebrews out of egypt?

>>131095348
answered
>>131094445

>>131095596
>The Bible is supposed to be the literal word of God tho.
You're confusing it with some other religion.

>>131094898
>I made a mistake in thinking you were genuinely curious.
I am, but reducing the bible to a document that requires historical context would already label you a heretic in the eyes of most christians so I don't feel like engaging on that level has much value since at that point a real heaven/hell is unquestionably out the window already.

>majority of ancient cultures had story about great flood
Flood is definitely an archetypal story, yes. Do you believe a literal Atlantis existed and was literally flooded also?

>>131095506
>john calvin
No thanks

>>131095348
The Bible have to contain correspondence and engagement with the surroundings narrated by its authors to have any spiritual value, otherwise it is no better than reading the mythology of some other culture

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>>131094798

>>131095852
y tho?

>>131095947
I am not a fan of Calvinistic predestination and its form of Sola Fide

>>131095736
That's not a sufficient answer - the story of the new testament relies on many aspects of the old testament being -literally- true, meaning the nature of OT god (requiring blood sacrifices, including human), the words of the OT prophets (since Jesus himself is the fulfilment of OT prophecy, which makes no sense if the words/stories of OT prophets weren't literally true), and many of the stories (IIRC jesus even names Sodom/Gomorrah, Jonah whale's belly story, flood etc)

>>131095122

You just fast with water , multivitamins would defeat the purpose

Do like jesus fast for 40 days in the desert

>>131092901
>t. pedophile

why doesn't the op mention the most important thing:

the /christian/ board on 8 ch?

>>131095743
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. - 2 Timothy 3:16

And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe. - 1 Thessalonians 2:13

Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20-21)

>>131095852
>otherwise it is no better than reading the mythology of some other culture

bingo, this is exactly what rejecting literal interpretation does

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>>131095750
>I am, but reducing the bible to a document that requires historical context would already label you a heretic in the eyes of most christians

I see that you don't understand/know basic principles of church and that you make your conclusions out of half baked inductions. Pic related will help you understand how we deal with wrong interpretations of the Bible.

>>131096118
>requiring blood sacrifices
out of context, probably thinking about Abraham and Issac

>words of the OT prophets
with which words of the prophets do you have problems with


>Sodom/Gomorrah,Jonah whale's belly story
why they can't be viewed as metaphors also?

>>131096349
The flood myth have some basis in reality given how that is in fact shared amongst different cultures and religions. Hinduism has its own flood myth. That would imply that while what we currently know about our past may not have the "great flood", it is still somehow more than just fiction or some metaphor.

Secondly, just because Scripture is Divinely inspired does it entail that we must take a literalist or narrow view of them. We are simply told of the divine origin of the documents and what they are to be used for in the life of the Church.

Thirdly, we must recognise the fact that the Bible still has a human element in them. Failure to do so would lead us to somehow thinking that divine inspiration entails no room for the author to convey his personality and experience.

For starters to understand the Christian and Jewish view of creation and its narrative do check out

https://global.oup.com/academic/product/drama-of-the-divine-economy-9780199660414?cc=us&lang=en&

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>>131093669
I will.

>>131096405
I never said I reject a literal interpretation of Scripture, in the sense of denying its historicity but that we have to take things in their proper context which a literalist approach fails to satisfy

>>131096349
No revelation is complete and perfect. It depends heavily on the preconceptions and limitations of the messenger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLsW44a5AbA

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>>131096242
>why doesn't the op mention the most important thing:
The most important thing to mention is Jesus Christ

>>131096115
all Protestantism has predestination doesn't it?

are you a Catholic cuck?

how can a man be a God if he dies? Did God die when he died too? This whole trinity proposition is confusing and makes no sense at all

if God is ONE how can He be divided by 3?

>>131097329
Technically every denomination believes in predestination but none would go so far as to view it in a way that entails God choosing who he would saved and who he would damn before creation

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>>131072658

Hello (((divide & conquer)))

How about we go even further? How about just "Christian"

https://youtu.be/ZurKjgnUM6I
https://youtu.be/ZurKjgnUM6I

>>131096720
> you make your conclusions out of half baked inductions.
not really dude, I've spoken to a whole bunch of christians and there is no agreement that the bible should be treated as one big metaphor
>>131096349


>out of context, probably thinking about Abraham and Issac
What is Jesus if not the ultimate human sacrifice? What would his death accomplish if the OT nature of god wasn't -literally- accurate?

>with which words of the prophets do you have problems with
did Moses not write genesis which is not historically accurate? And book of Isaiah (if i remember correctly) is the one where jesus is prophesied - if one accepts that Jesus is the fulfilment of this literal storyline, how could you then turn around and say that not everything Isaiah said was actually true?

>why they can't be viewed as metaphors also?
Do yout hink the people living in Jesus' time didn't perceive these as literal stories?
Why wouldn't Jesus correct them or give any kind of indication that this was so?

>>131097014
If the bible is not literally true, why would anyone believe in a literal heaven or hell either?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBVtPVrqXck

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Blessings.

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>>131097384
>how can a man be a God if he dies?

Christ took this possibility by deciding to enter human history and becoming a man.

Of course he can lost nothing more than his human life (he regain it on the 3rd day).

After all wasn't his main purpose of his visit to proclaim and prepare us for the eternal life.

For whoever wants to save their life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26 What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?

----

3 divine persons, 1 God

>>131097878
It is "literally" true, just that a plain text reading approach will not bring to light the full picture. The Genesis narrative is seen as a prophecy anticipating and reflecting the coming of Christ and his work in the world in what we understand as the earliest possible Christian approach to the text and this entails something more higher and grand than simply saying that when we read it without any knowledge of its context or original language that we are seeing something absurd.

If you read the Oxford Bible Commentary on the opening of Genesis, you would see that it is clearly noted how it is meant as theological affirmations about God and his act of creating the universe, the author does not intend you to think that it means the earth is 6000 years old. That mindset comes much later which never occurred in the mind of whoever wrote it

>tfw all the good christian films are made by catholics

FUCK

Sand nigger religions are cancer.

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https://youtu.be/1NHQJWdXfFE

>>131097384
also more than that, the christian/catholic concept of Satan, doesn't it diminish God's omnipotence? I mean you have a separate entity who supposedly fights against God's will, I've heard christians saying "that's not from God, that's from Satan", wait a minute, isn't God in control of EVERYTHING?

Because when you say Satan has some will of his own and fights against God, it pretty much implies he can counter God's power somehow, you know where I'm getting at?

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>>131098512
All religion is cancer.

Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Follow Him into eternal life.

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>>131098431
>Christ took this possibility by deciding to enter human history and becoming a man.
>Of course he can lost nothing more than his human life (he regain it on the 3rd day).

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>>131098837
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.

“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.”

- Isaiah 55:8-9

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>>131098677
>All religion is cancer.
>Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Follow Him into eternal life.
>>131099013
>So are My ways higher than your ways,
>And My thoughts than your thoughts.”
LOL

>>131098431
but why did God need to be in "person" in order to convince people to worship Him?

It's specifically written in the Bible, something along the lines that nobody has saw God's face and lived to tell the story, He told Moses this. So now you're telling me God is walking around you and everyone can see him and nothing happens? It's also said people who approached Mount Sinai during Moses' time, in that whole occasion, people who approached it nearly lost their lives. So now God walks amongst us and anyone can withstand this contact?

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>>131099088
You’re probably saying, and thinking, who is this idiot, claiming to be talking for God. Well, those who laugh Last, laugh Best. There is a place that God has made for people that have that type of attitude. It’s not a place of Laughing, it’s not a place of Wondering, of what will be, and of what will not be, for that decision will not be yours, once you’re in this place.

>>131098438
>It is "literally" true
but if it IS "literally" true, then how does that even work?

desu all of this feels like you start with the conclusion that the bible is true, and then the objective becomes to turn it on its head and rationalize it every which way to force that square peg into a round hole.

The christian 'telos', no matter what way you twist the scriptures, is to get to heaven and avoid hell. When you reduce the entire bible into one big metaphor, it really calls into question the idea of a literal heaven and hell as real places that exist. Because your modus operandi is to grasp at any straws you can, you are blind to how unconvincing it seems to someone who does -not- start with the groundwork that it's true.

>>131098647
You can understand that the possibility of error, of sin, of stubborn rebellion, is part of His will.

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>>131099301
why would your jewgod send me to jewhell, you stupid christkike

>>131099301
What if the ironic end conclusion to this story is that only the people who call for Yahweh are tortured for his entertainment for being dumb enough to fall for the bullshit who keeps whispering in the ear of this and that rapist goat herder that then makes a mess in the middle east? (Islam being version 3.0 of this same pattern)

>>131099446
Angels don't have free will, they're His messengers. Also even we humans, when we use our free will, we're still in God's plan, don't you agree? God has power over EVERYTHING, so claiming Satan is outside of His influence is to diminish God's omnipotence. He either has mastery over everything or he is not omnipotent.

When christians say that _______ doesn't come from God, does that mean God has no power over that satanic thing? I guess you can say that's not in the path to Him but to say something doesn't come from God conflicts with the very notion of The omnipotent God.

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>>131099532
Give it a rest pagan larper

>>131097769
I've spoken to a
>whole bunch
of christians

typical example of bad induction

What would his death accomplish if the OT nature of god wasn't
>-literally- accurate?
not literally accurate =/= Incorrect

>how could you then turn around and say that not everything Isaiah said was actually true?

Because when Jewish writer wrote something in the Bible 2500 years ago he said it in a way that is/might be hard for you to understand.

For example when I say our home is burning it might mean that my country is in war, or it might symbolize our planet which is in chaos. That's why you need broader context.

>Do yout hink the people living in Jesus' time didn't perceive these as literal stories?

Parables were common in Israel. Even Jesus spoke in that from. And I think that even you can understand what did he mean by this one.

There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.

35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”

41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”

>>131099809
>Angels don't have free will,

How did Satan fall then?

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>>131098677

No, sand nigger religions are a special type of cancer because they're all centralized and globalist by nature. They are specifically designed to be elevated as authorities over the state, which is why they've always taken over other societies, never built it's own.

Other religions certainly have problems but their structure is usually diversified. There is no head of Hinduism or Buddhism. There is no Mecca, Jerusalem, or Rome to have to kneel to.

It's very obvious that all the Abrahamic religions are designed for aggressive expansion and dominance. And why not? They all originate from the same drought stricken resource scarce nearly inhospitable area of the world.

Tell me, what are the odds that God only reveals his truths to sand nigger nomads without food or drink in the middle of the Arabian desert? If God made the whole world, why the hell would he stay in the Middle East?

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>>131099628
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16)

>>131099809
>Angels don't have free will
He was a special one, elevated above the rest. Many angels fell with him. And there was war in heaven. It seems like some can choose.

There are many "angels", and many "mansions". But for sure He wasn't referring to actual mansions.

>>131100104
I don't believe Satan has fell, I struggle with the christian argument that a mere angel can rebel against The omnipotent God. I believe Satan is still one of His messengers, and Satan's job is to test your faith in God, to accuse you, as he does in the Book of Job. That conversation wasn't a dispute between God and satan, but rather a metaphoric way to expose how God Himself wanted to test Job's will, his faith, how long he would go without abandoning God. Satan was just the vehicle for the tests, or a messenger.

When christians say that Satan is an opposite to God, put him in a picture doing arm wrestling with Jesus, aren't you saying that he's just as strong as God? That's the impression I get.

>>131071686
>turn back to jewsus

>>131100412
For god so loved the world that for millions of years every homo sapien went straight to hell for eternal torture with no hope of mercy, and only 2k years ago did i provide this option to not be tortured by me. I am a good god and my words are trustworthy

Yeah no, if anyone will suffer at the end of this it will be the one who sees nothing wrong with that picture

>>131093669

If you dont pray your mother dies in her sleep tonight

>>131100091
If none of it is literally true, why would heaven or hell be literally true either?

>>131099981
>Give it a rest pagan larper
you are so dirty
you are arrogant and egotistical
you presume that i am "a pagan" and that "christianity" is the true religion
You are nothing but a filthy whore who lies
why are you unable to answer simple questions and instead attempt to persuade me that Nazism is Christianity when ALL EVIDENCE is contrary to that
start here, you filthy christian "scholar" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany
and DON'T talk to me like i am beneath you ever again, you stinking dirty christkike faggot

>>131099352
It answers many of the pitfalls of the more narrow reading of Scripture given by your average Evangelical today.

And I didn't just start with the conclusion that the Bible is true, I am telling you how it has been historically viewed and interpreted. The first statement in Genesis for instance is an affirmation that God is the Creator and is to be worshipped. It does not deny that God actually created the cosmos and all that is within it. The seven days of Genesis is in fact the author contextualising the act of creation to the Jewish seven days and Sabbath and is not meant to be that it is literally seven days. Jewish authors like Philo for instance speak of 'spontaneous' creation that is beyond temporality. So how this somehow means that I or he is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole is beyond me when the author of the text itself and Jewish thought itself affirms something that is beyond a plain text reading.

What I just said can be verified by looking at the Anchor Bible Dictionary or the Oxford Bible Commentary, both which are non confessional and academic in nature

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>>131100498
> aren't you saying that he's just as strong as God?
That's gnostic manichaeism. A contamination from Zoroastrism.

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>>131099152
>but why did God need to be in "person" in order to convince people to worship Him?

Parable at the end of this post might help you with that.

also
>to convince people to worship Him?
It was more out of his concern and grace toward human kind than out of his need for human worship.

>ordered rosary a month ago
>still not here
;_;

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>>131100945
i don't need to read your TEXT image because i don't want to because it's garbage
it's a shitty copypaste
https://www.4chan.org/faq

>>131100945
at the end of this post >>131100091

>>131100777
it's not literally true in a way that it's room with flames or a pretty garden but in a way that it's a state in which soul found itself after death.

>>131100835
I mentioned specifically this image, I've seen christians using it and it puzzles me, how isn't this implying Satan is an opposite to God? You do believe Jesus is divine, and the devil, an angel, can dispute with him? Aren't angels supposed to be lower in the celestial hierarchy?

https://mandyspath.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/jesus-arm-wrestling-with-satan-demon1.jpg

what's with the corrupted image for all my linked stuff, fix this gook moot

>>131101119
that's right you don't

>Whoever has ears, let them hear

>>131100945
You forget that humans are just machines, or more specifially jail for your soul

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>>131101223
https://www.4chan.org/rules
rule 8
>Complaining about 4chan (its policies, moderation, etc) on the imageboards may result in post deletion and a ban.
maybe it's karma
>>131101370
that's right you dirty christian - your filthy christkike message is not heard by aryans

>>131100316

The geographic argument more than perhaps any other points out how ridiculous all this is. For nearly 3000 years now the same general region has been insisting it knows all the spiritual and universal truths. All the Bible locations are within this relatively small part of the World. The rest of the world has their own folk tales and historical narratives, they just weren't autistic enough to believe they spoke for everything and or willing to massacre for their nursery rhymes.

"For God so loved the world"... Just the Jews and Arabs, eh?

>>131101223
His rebellion ended the day Christ triumphed. But there has not yet been judgment. Let us hope that soon what He sowed on earth will begin to bear fruit just as He wills it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxlwCTOuTSs

>>131085809
its the mom of jesus

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Good night, ya all!

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Keep worshipping jesus goy

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>>131102035
Good Night!

>>131071686
liberal atheist who blames retarded catholic school teachers for my lack of faith, but I see Christianity as the best religion and producing the best culture in history. Any advice?

>>131072658
Don't you have some muslim feet to kiss?

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>>131071686
Welcome to the city of thy living.
You have one chance. If you fail you die.

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>>131104682
>I see Christianity as the best religion and producing the best culture in history. Any advice?

>>131104682
No dude, Europeans produce the best culture in history. It was already top dog before Abrahamism set foot in Europe. If Europe went with Islam, the world would be Islamic at this point. Give christianity no credit for any of this - the catholic church is an infusion of paganism and early church, and most of the time when christian Europe conquered etc. they did so against the teachings of the bible.

>>131089124
There is a certain amount of acceptable, albeit still sinful, amount of closeness two unmarried people are allowed to experience for the sake of finding out whether this is the person you want to marry. The amount of touching should be minimized, period, as the flesh is extremely tempting and can lead to grave sins. Kissing before marriage ideally shouldn't happen because it's lustful, but you should just simply exercise common sense caution if you want to avoid great sin. Sex is for procreation within marriage. Sex without intent for procreation is sinful.

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>>131108123
reason #235427304 to reject christianity

>>131081142
Did you see the 2-part John Hagee special about communism and Alinsky and stuff? Part 2 the following day was something else on TBN that day. :/