Fallacy of IQ

>>131065610
Everything man puts his hands on is skewed. Can't hate on us for trying. I'd say, measure the average impact of man and use that as the standard. The only thing is, the bar is low and the children will complain

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Ooga booga me fish good

>>131065958
Intelligent comment.

Hope you have influence amongst your community

>>131065610
IQ tests primarily are about testing pattern recognition and problemsolving capabilities. If an entire group of people on avg. sucks at those basic skills, and in some cases are even outsmarted by Gorillas on avg. then they have no place among a group who doesn't.

>>131065610
IQ is a great way of determining averages, but averages don't determine an individual. That's why we can say that white and east asian majority societies are the most intelligent on average and therefore work the best, but concerning individuals it's all a guess as to their "true quantity of ingenuity and intelligence"

>>131066386
Mr off topic

Economy is not the topic

I was asking if it was possible that measure of intelligence is based on factors that have not been envisioned as a sign of intelligence

You missed the target

>>131065610
IQ testing is not perfect but still extremely reliable compared to any other measure

don't think Senna knows what "fallacy" means

>>131066572
Of course economy is a good indicator of intelligence. Are you even listening to what you're typing, or are you just here to bait?

Iq tests are mostly to spot people to send to "special" education.
Anything between one standard of deviation and you're good.

>>131065610
IQ tests don't "truly" measure the intelligence of mankind - they're not perfect - just statistically sound and a good predictor of success or otherwise in various fields of endeavour.

>>131066464
Hunters of deer know to use salt licks and the hormones in female deer piss to get sucess in hunting.

Have you ever seen a test take this into account when measuring intelligence?

The idea here is not about measuring gorillas vs humans but to ask if human intelligence tests can grasp or even take into account clever usage of instinct and primitive knowledge or primal connections as a compass for measuring intelligence

the answer is NO, as demonstrated in the book I referenced

>>131066952
>Have you ever seen a test take this into account when measuring intelligence?
An IQ test measures how perceptive you are, so yes a hunter with higher IQ was the one that probably figured that out.

>>131066506
Isn't that the point, as illustrated in Carl Senna's book? That IQ tests are made to rank population intelligence based on arbitrary knowledge that seldom would lead to advancement or survivial?

For example, logic is measured in IQ tests based on logic tests that have been set up to measure nothing more than problem solving that is related nothing more to problem solving outside the functional world?

Example: logic with chocolate bars and apples or patterns but never in a real world setting

No IQ test measures hunting skill logic but takes into consideration purchase based logic or benefits or mathematical equation solving. Something that our brain does during hunting without the need for a formula

Who is smarter in the Dolphin fishing situation, man or animal

>>131066952
Replace IQ testing with the BITCH-100. Far more useful.
http://web.archive.org/web/20110715125739/http://www.psychbytes.com/Quizzes/BITCH/Black%20Intelligence%20Test%20of%20Cultural%20Homogeneity.htm

>>131066952
What do you say to visual reaction speed tests that correlate to g? Surely the speed of your nervous system and visual processing centers isn't culturally conditioned, or test-biased.

Not that any of our babbling matters anyway when all of this is going to be settled by a full genetic science within the next couple of decades. I suspect western countries will simply outlaw the research, burn the books, and electro-magnetize the computer databases. East Asian universities will accelerate the research at that point.

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>>131066952
this
>>131067179
Why do I have the feeling that this is going into the "my group sucks at this game, therefore the game is shit" direction.

>>131066767
Economics is based on knowledge that is very recent. It does not take into account barter or even trade benefits betweem man and nature

What is smarter...human markets or trade (economics) that benefit man and nature?

How does one measure in an ecologically detrimental system where only man benefits vs the benefits of all, including ecosystem that benefits all?

>>131067420
>IQ tests are made to rank population intelligence based on arbitrary knowledge
IQ tests are more about pattern recognition.

>>131067633
>my group sucks at this game, therefore the game is shit
Is what the salty 85IQ Brazilian who started this thread thinks.

>>131067420
>That IQ tests are made to rank population intelligence based on arbitrary knowledge that seldom would lead to advancement or survivial?
yet the two most highly intelligent populations (whites and east asians) have had the most progress. Is that just a coincidence?

>>131066767
So Mexicans are intelligent?

>>131067875
Relative to Brazilians? Evidently.

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>>131067875
Per capita, you fuck. Raw GDP is bullshit. Anyway, they still are smarter than niggers and most of the middle east.

>>131067179
but no human test of IQ can acurately take into account the use of Dogs, dolphins or other animals in the acquisition of basic ressources

According to Senna, IQ test measure only egoistical competence and therefore are detrimental the higher human scores go

Should IQ test not measure intelligence based on the survival of mankind and the world around them rather than praise self worth and survival?

>Brazilian intellectuals

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>>131067800
>That IQ tests are made to rank population intelligence based on arbitrary knowledge that seldom would lead to advancement or survivial?
He just called pattern recognition and problem solving capabilities "arbitrary knowledge", so the answer is yes I suppose.

>>131068044
>but no human test of IQ can acurately take into account the use of Dogs, dolphins or other animals in the acquisition of basic ressources
It does, the humans had to me intelligent enough to understand what was going on and coordinate with the animals

>>131067748
Please go ahead and enjoy role playing the noble savage. Meanwhile the people over a standard deviation above you will continue working towards giving you the ability to LARP about it on the internet.

>>131067495
The idea is that by attempting to quantify intelligence based on obscure tests, one should accept that all civilizations are beneficial in some respects to the greater achievement of man

Learn from all and spread knowledge for the improvement of mankind

Killer Whales are super smart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3xmqbNsRSk

>>131068044
>egoistical competence
Sounds like relativism of success. What is that smell. It smells red. Could it be marxism?

>Should IQ test not measure intelligence based on the survival of mankind and the world around them rather than praise self worth and survival?
Without our stuff most of Africa would commit self-genocide in a matter of weeks...

>>131068292
>obscure tests
muh evil sounding adjectives

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>>131068198
kek

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>>131065610
so op, a nigger and einstein have the same potential mentally? fuck off.

>>131068292
>one should accept that all civilizations are beneficial in some respects to the greater achievement of man
Do you have any evidence to support that?

>>131068472
It's the abstraction argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcz4iaNwsNk

>>131067748
I see what you're doing. You're talking about 2nd and 3rd order effects of individual and group actions. The ability to project forward in time, and to modify one's actions accordingly is related to time preference, which is also negatively correlated to intelligence. Smarter people on average will be able to reason based on a longer time horizon than less intelligent people. Whether their choices actually result in positive outcomes has nothing to do with the fact that they were at least able to ATTEMPT to reason with a longer time horizon. Negative externalities of group behavior are separate issues from pure processing power.

>>131067495
A billion hz computer is still able to perform more calculations per second than a 10 hz computer, even if the billion hz computer spawns a genocide machine race that destroys the human race. The information processing abilities of human neurological systems are no less objective.

You want to argue that intelligence does not always come with WISDOM, and that's a fair point. However, you are reaching too far by attempting to mix definitions in order to invalidate the concept of intelligence. It suggests that you have some personal ax to grind--perhaps you're worried that objectively speaking, you're relatively low intelligence, or that your line may be genetically predisposed to be so.

Too bad. Your rhetoric won't change material reality.

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>>131067748
Excuse me are you in South America talking about the failure of capitalism?
And your solution is a barter economy?

>>131067765
Patterns are but one measure on a scale of so many abstract talents that have become the toolset of humankind

hate the assholes of a given race but understand that hatred for native peoples as savages is wrong because even the most sophisticated science still tries to learn and steal what the fuck the native people have as medicine in our modern world.

People shit on Brazil and its peoples. So why is the jew pharma elite coming into the jungle to steal from them what the fuck they have been using for 10,000 years?

No native brazilian will ever call you a cracker or a nigger...they will cure you for free if you bring them a gift from your people.

That upsets big pharma cause they come into the amazon and try to pervert the very medicine that has kept mankind disease free and striving for 10,000 years.

If primitive people were such shit, why does big pharma go into rainforests in an attempt to steal mankind's free treasures of cures and treatment they would never deny you for a minute if you take the time to contact them?

>>131068768
all meant for
>>131068292

>>131067800
I want for people of all nations to spread their knowledge without being called names

Divide and conquer and insults are not the key to advancement of human beings

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>>131068954
Sure. We can all learn from Zimbabwe.

>>131067420
>That IQ tests are made to rank population intelligence based on arbitrary knowledge that seldom would lead to advancement or survivial?
That must be why high-IQ western countries are shitholes and african chimp countries are so advanced.
Fuck off huehue, this is piss poor bait.

>>131068954
Maybe you should work on developing a sober, sophisticated, and compassionate response to the reality of human biological inequality, rather than trying to use rhetoric to trick people into thinking intelligence is a vacuous neurological metric. Lying to yourself and others isn't the answer.

>>131068292
Are IQ tests obscure?
Have you taken one?
There are certain categories that are much more difficult than others but........ The vast majority of the tests involve no words, can be taken using physical objects, and have a very simple set of instructions (which object fits into which, what comes next in the pattern, which is bigger, etc)
Just....

>>131065610
Carl Senna really mean, because the white, non Jews didn't come in last, the test must be invalid.

He would not have cared if the people he hated didn't keep winning so much of the time.

He knows in his heart that niggers are the lowest form of human and he must discourage any investigation into race and intelligence to save not just their feelings but his own. He is afraid to find something about himself that is deficient and unchangeable, thus no one must try to test intelligence.

Welcome to the new dark ages.

>>131067821
So why do white people and asian people seek to steal and patent the secrets of the amazon savages to cure modern ailments.

If you come to Brazil. no native community will ever bankrupt you like pharma to cure you or your loved ones

Think about how much they spend to rob and cheat the brazilian natives out of medicines these people believe we all should have for free

Big pharma spends billions to learn the secrets of the savages to cure you when no native of brazil asks for a dime

yet history books make fun of natives that would sell everything for a piece of mirror when the fact is that they have no idea what the fuck private ownership was all about

They still believe. even if you visit here that a firm handshake and a smile is worth them curing you and your loved ones of a disease

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>>131065610
the only people who whine about IQ are retards with retard IQ.

>flag

see what i mean?

>tfw literal super genius IQ

>>131068838
Who is smarter, the people making millions off of medicine, wherever it may come from, or people living in the jungle eating monkey meat and wearing loin cloths.

>>131067875
They have plant knowledge that they want to share but big pharma makes you believe you can only buy from them

They will cure you and not get a dime if you show you are a good person

No shaman ever called me a cracker, nigger or asked me for a dime

>>131069351
Why are you praising people for knowing their surrounding area after living there for ages? That is the minimum standard for survival.

>>131068083
Why does big pharma spend billions reverse engineering amazon medicine if they are so worthless???

you would think science would not need them anymore but they still seek to acquire the knowledge of the savages

>>131068169
yes but modern intelligence tests do not taken in native knowledge of plants,. interactions with animals or their true symbiosis with nature

>>131066952
>Hunters of deer know to use salt licks and the hormones in female deer piss to get sucess in hunting.

They know this because of their pattern recognition and problem solving capabilities.

>>131068838
Despite being asked repeatedly in this thread, at no point do you address the fact that low-IQ subhumans have shitty societies and high IQ people don't. You live in a shithole because you'r full of niggers and weird amazonians. They might have adapted over hundreds or thousands of years to find a plant that helps against malaria, but they have no idea why it works, and not the slightest inclination to find out, to isolate the active ingredient, or to synthesize cognate compounds which might work better. They would rather roll around in shit, fuck a bit, hit other people over the head with sticks, and thankfully die. Utter waste of fucking space. So stick with your amazing ability to chew a bit of fucking bark, and leave us to reach mars.

>>131069351
Like a soccer commentator once said of the USA. We didn't say the USA could not play the game at all. We said they could not play the game well. (He's right. The USA has some big issues with team work and sticking with a formation.)

Primitive humans are not incapable of logic, they are just not very good at it. Taking resources is also called conquest or exploitation. You may think that only whites or Jews do this but every group of humans does this to some degree. Some groups of humans do it vastly much better than others.

>>131069676
>worthless
They are perfectly suited to live as they want to/as is natural for them in their environment. How does that make them wothless and who said that except you? Stop building strawmen.

What is wrong with you? Stop comparing yourself to people who have a higher IQ and focus on improving yourself as much as possible. Do you see us Europeans moaning about how shitty complex East Asian social structure is because being butthurt that they have a higher IQ? No ffs. Stop being angry children.

>>131068838
Pattern recognition is not all of what makes an individual or a society successful, but it has a lot to do with general intelligence, which is why non-verbal IQ tests are fairly useful in predicting such success.

>why is the jew pharma elite coming into the jungle to steal from them what the fuck they have been using for 10,000 years?
Different peoples developed in different parts of the world. Things that grow in jungles are relatively foreign to Europeans, so those things are being investigated now in their jungles instead of two thousand years ago in Europe.

Indios are perfectly fine in their own realm but they do not perform up to spec in white societies, and, more importantly, they are not us. Racism is good and healthy for any ethnic group and should be reinforced.

>>131068198
Why does modern science attempt to discover savage medicine and spent billions in reverse pharmacology if these people are useless???

Big pharma tricks you into thinking these people are savages but they keep the secrets of medicine from you because you cannot come to brazil and get treatment for free from people who do not care for money

Bring a polish sausage to brazil and a shaman will be happy to give you medicine

Who do you think gives knowledge to modern medicine? Identifies plants for them to study?

Why does pharma study the plants they use as tradition to make medicine that costs you a fortune when they use the medicine for 10.000 years for free with no side effects?

>>131068768
Fluid intelligence
Crystalline intelligence

Fluid intelligence would be the raw processing power, measurable in IQ tests that are at least somewhat accurate.
Crystalline intelligence would be the knowledge and wisdom you've gained over time. The stored lessons.

Fluid intelligence is important because it is how fast, efficient, and thorough your building of crystalline intelligence is.

Once you've learned how to complete a task (built crystalline intelligence of it), you're typically going to be able to complete the task into perpetuity.

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>>131069513
And what about the thousands of other snake oil remedies that DON'T work that are still used by traditional witchdoctors? Any idiot can spend a hundred generations testing every plant and venom in the Amazon on dumb villagers, killing most of them, until they find something that actually works, and then continue to use it. You want to make it look like these savages are doing double blind studies of rats and baboons, studying quantitative data, and then easing people into safe medical trials in order to invent cures that western big pharma is too "unintelligent" to find.

It really is painful watching stupid people make arguments. Whether it's black Pharaohs, cosmic melanin, or ancient Indian magic, it's all painfully dimwitted. The Chinese are going to kill all of you one day.

>>131065610
people 'round here ever heard of neuroplasticity?

>>131068838
you are not comfortable with the fact that some people are seen as "less intelligent" and are trying to define intelligence in a way that doesn't make sense.

>People shit on Brazil and its peoples. So why is the jew pharma elite coming into the jungle to steal from them what the fuck they have been using for 10,000 years?

See this illustrates perfectly.

Btw Brazil is not shit because it's people are less intelligent, it's shit because of corruption and "jeitinho" culture which makes it so people are always taking small shortcuts for self-benefit at the expense of everyone else.

Redefining intelligence btw will not do you any good, people will just come with another term that replaces and means exactly what it meant before.

>No native brazilian will ever call you a cracker or a nigger...they will cure you for free if you bring them a gift from your people.

Do you mean the natives? Maybe, but that doesn't make them intelligent, it makes them kind maybe, and there's nothing wrong with being kind btw!

>>131068198
Why does the western world study savage medicine?

Because no native brazilian would see you the medicine, they would give it to you for free

Pharma will reverse engineer free medicine and sell it to you for profit

>>131069472
my score was 138 and I was adult tested by a psychologist (had to take it for college)

IQ is not a proper method of testing total intelligence. The methods used test mental capability in standard situations and the main goal of an IQ test is to demonstrate an individual's capability for learning. This is why IQ tests are sometimes called inadequate for testing adults, but the test score is useful since adults learn in a more applied way which incorporates some parts of the test.

>>131066506
This is the point we need to pound home. Why is it necessary that I have a positive opinion on one group that you arbitrarily belong to? If you're a black man you belong to many different groups, not just black. You belong to men, to straight men, to straight people, to Americans, to westerners, and so on. Studying IQ only helps us make rational decisions and view reality correctly. It prevents us from devising racist plans to fix what has been falsely called an inequity.

>>131070147
>Crystalline intelligence
You mean 'knowledge'? Okay. I'm not sure why you feel the need to invent a new adjective/noun combination when a perfectly good work already exists in English. Are you making of terms to suit yourself?

Knowledge and intelligence are different things, which is why we use different words to describe them. Part of intelligence is the ability to assimilate knowledge in the first place. The lower one's intelligence, the more difficult it is to assimilate knowledge, or "crystalline intelligence" as you arbitrarily call it.

Despite whatever flaws there are in IQ testing, no matter how much you hand-wave, it isn't going to change the fact that a properly tested 70 IQ person is stupid compared to a 140 IQ person.
It doesn't matter if you can practice for IQ tests, or being hungover will negatively affect your performance, or one person is stronger or runs faster than the other, or if the dumb person isn't "acculterated" like the smart person. The 70 IQ person will be a moron no matter how much education you try to stuff down their throat or make them practice for the test.

Bottom line, the reason that especially leftists hate IQ testing is because blacks consistently do poorly on them.

>>131068409
The idea is that Amazonian natives don't ask for money to cure you

Rich Pharma takes their free medicine and makes a version that costs you money + causes side effects

why do pharma spend BILLIONS to know what the natives have known for 10,000 years?

because what they have is free, what they sell costs you your soul

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>>131069513
That knowledge was developed through zetetic experiment... "Bokula has puss coming from her eye, let's try rubbing these leaves on it, it worked! Tell people about this for hundreds of years now"

That's your evidence for an intelligent people? Rainforest peoples have access to many many ecological resources. Unlimited zetetic experimentation has resulted in many discoveries. We're so proud. We're all just so proud.

>>131068472
why does big pharma spend billions in the amazon to find out what the savages offer for free?

Cause they make their own poison versions you could get for free, tested for 10,000 years by giving a good person a handshake

>>131068784
kek better the work explotation of the cap system

>>131068584
Why do the amazon savages have access to medicine that pharma spends billions to find out about and then sell to you for your fortune when you can buy at a market here in brazil for pennies?

Iboga, a plant from Africa can save the US from heroin addiction; You can get for 5$ in Africa but is illegal in the US

Or Ayahusca that can do the same, you can get for free but you will trust big pharma to help you when they have been behind the od epidemic in the us

>>131065610
It's a good indicator

>>131068659
The amazon, big pharma and their need to come to the savages to find medicine that has been part of humankind for 10,000+ years for free but you will soon have to purchase, although if you come down to Brazil you can buy the original safe version for nothing

>>131070792
>why do pharma spend BILLIONS to know what the natives have known for 10,000 years?
Appearently because they have been living there and it is more efficient to simply ask them instead of doing extensive research on their own.

>>131070956
>zetetic experimentation has resulted in many discoveries
The only drawback is it also results in untold numbers of deaths for the unfortunates who pick the wrong leaf so to speak.

>>131070450
>Crystalline intelligence would be the knowledge

Yes, crystalline intelligence is knowledge and wisdom. But it's not just that x=11 but also how to find for x...
I didn't invent these terms, these are terms used by people specialized in the field.

>>131071188
People have explained why in this thread, and you're too stupid to process the information.

>>131065610

Well, it might be true. People succeed in different kind of things and a person with higher IQ than some other will not beat him in every problem solving situation.

>>131068768
If all primitive peoples where so retarded why does big pharma have a need to learn from the rainforest savages?

AND spend billions to modify said natural remedies which you can get for free so they can charge you a large sum of money although you will get anal leakage?

In the Amazon, you have markets and nice people that will talk to you and give you what you need. medicine as god intended and not charge you more than a smile and a firm handshake

>>131070963
The rainforest has ecological resources not available elsewhere... That would likely be why...
Thousands of years of discoveries by people with access to these materials is being catalogued, dissected, and surpassed in a matter of decades...

>>131068784
No

What I am saying is that the medicine that big pharma wants to acquire, reverse engineer and sell you for a fortune is available at markets in the amazon for next to nothing

God provides medicine and food for these people, they are not part of bullshit <isms> , just nice people that will help other nice people because they teach to others the medicine that was given to us all by god

Native Brazilian people don't care how much money you have, what religion or political group you are from; They care for your respect, firm handshake and kindness

>>131071669
This has been covered in the thread already.

>>131069157
The native people of Zimbabwe were invaded for ressources and medicine.

Make no mistake, their native knowledge of natural medicine is as much of value as the gold in their dirt

The Amazon and other rain forests are our medincine cabinets. The native people have the knowledge and don't want money. They look for respect, nothing more. Especially here in Brazil at native markets and fairs.

Big pharma convinces you that jungle people are stupid and worthless but spend billions to reverse engineer and sell to you for a profit what these people would give to you and your loved ones for free

>>131065610
how do you explain correlation between IQ (as presently measured) and income, lack of criminality, empathy etc.

>>131069206
If they are so retarded, why do they spend billions to unlock the secrets of the medicine these people would offer you for free if you asked

When was the last time big pharma gave you anything without a profit?

The native peoples have no stock options or board members but I assure you that you could get a cure by sharing a beer and a warm hug just as I would in an English pub if you came down an interacted with a <savage> you know nothing of

The greatest trick big pharma even pulled is to convince you that their reversed engineered meds are better than the free and tried and tested medicine your brazilian brothers would give you for free

No shaman ever called me a nigger or you a prat, nor would they charge you a dime to save a person you loved

Their knowledge is for all, not just for them

This Brazilnigger being physically incapable of understanding the idea of measurable intelligence is ironically a demonstration of the explanatory power of IQ

>>131069241
I live in Brazil, close to the Amazon.

The natives are protected by law cause big pharma comes in, offeres them some T-Shirts and then takes a remedy to cure cancer, locks them away like the diamond industry does rough stones and then cuts them (reverse engineer) packed with side effects and sells them to you for your soul

If these people were so fucking retarded, why would big pharma and NGOs spend billions to learn their potions and then sell knock-offs at insane prices?

You can't sell for profit a natural and tried & tested formula for peanuts or a handshake or a simple gift like they do at native medicine markets in brazil.

No. They charge you profit for something Native Brazilians believe you should get for fucking free

>>131069288
Sure, I went to College in the USA and in Canada.

I was tested for book smarts but they never asked me to play piano or even cared about the fact that I can hunt, track game or speak 3 languages or strum a clit to climax

>>131069308
You clearly did not read his book

>>131073316
So, you've never taken an IQ test...

>>131069472
So why does big pharma want to know the secrets of savages that rate as retarded on the IQ test?

Why is native knowledge worth billions if these people are so fucking stupid they can't pass basic chem?

haHAHAAHAH

Cause no native Brazilian would sell you a cure;;;;big pharma banks on the fact you are naive

>>131069476
The point is that these people believe, like Nicola Tesla, linux, that human knowledge should be free and benefit all mankind

not just the asshole that can purchase a patent

>>131065610
Sure, there may be more to intelligence than just IQ. But there is zero reason to think that jungle monkeys have some kind of hidden wisdom. Inferior races perform exactly as shitty as their low IQs predict

>>131069623
I praise all people that believe their knowledge should be used for all mankind

Like Nicola Tesla, Linux and the native people of rainforests that want us all to be better

>>131069828
So how did the native peoples of the Amazon know that B. Caapi alone was not psychoactive when the panther gets high off of it like catnip.

The use an MAIO inhibitor was needed for humans to trip on the same plant the panther does alone

>>131065610
>dolphins smarter then japs
>chinks using beasts of burden to fish
>niggers stealing from lions
ow my god! IQ is a lie

>>131070082
The fact that you judge society by our current standards, you forget that prior to colonialism and ever after, you still need the assistance of the peoples you attempted to exterminate to cure the diseases your modern science still can't

Without the very savages or their native habitats, the current supposed superior scientific field would be non-existent.

With all its sophistication, big pharma still seeks to elucidate the tried and tested remedies of the rain forests as used by our native peoples in order to sell for profit a knock-off you clearly would spend fortunes on; despite the fact that friendship with savages of our kind would not only leaves both our cultures better informed but would not break your bank

>>131070102
Logic can only be measured by situation or circumstance.

Just as American football requires a different strategy on astroturf, depending on climactic circumstances.

I would quite readily accept a hail mary pass on a cloudy day than I would at midday with the sun in my face

>>131070107
Medicine is for all, despite of IQ and the savages have the cure for all mankind...even big pharma knows this, yet you are too ignorant to recognize

>>131074703
>noble savages are super-wise because they have a plant that we don't
Sure Brazil. IQ is totally meaningless and Brazil is a wonderful country

>>131070115
yet no matter how white you are, even brown and nigger natives share a common DNA, our gametes are compatible and we can create viable offspring

Yet the medicine brazilian natives possess are free to you and all. Even if you call them niggers and savages, they still won't call you a name and offer you the meds they recognize is for all

>>131070156
Snake oil was not studied.

Big Pharma spends billions to study what natives have access to and even tell people that the amazon has all the secrets

The only way they can even find a trail to a cure is based on what the native people know and what plants they use to treat a given disease

Folk medicine is the trail big pharma uses to fuck you out of a real cure for profit

>>131075426
Almost all living things share dna. That is not an argument. We all share 50% dna with a banana. Humans share 95% dna with chimpanzees. Just because there was at some point a common ancestor of x and Europeans and fertile offspring can be created does not mean it is a good idea to mix. Btw. most black women need a c-section when delivering a half white mutt, because the head is too big.

>>131074333

Trial and error, smart ones eventually picked up on the patterns.

>>131070257
Intuition and adaptation to natural environments as well as intimate reciprocity amongst humans and animals is way beyond any intelligence test

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>>131075683
>MUH BIG PHARMA
Yeah we get it, the folks who have been living in the rainforest know shit about the environment they live in. Surprise surprise, asking them about it is much easier and faster than finding out everything by yourself in an environment you are not very familiar with. STILL DOES NOT REFUTE THE VALIDITY OF IQ TESTS.

>>131070956
If you have even taken Ayahuasca in the amazom via a ritual you would understand that humans can communicate with plants, elders and human consciousness

human experience is so much more than trial and error

>an 40minute exam written by sxhlomo finkelberg is supposed to quantify my intelligence

Lmao

>Needs really believe this

>Muh IQ
Literally muh dicc of incels

>>131071420
Not true

Pharma inteact with shaman and catalog their treatments for ailments but dismiss the ritual behind the healing process.

That is why isolating a given compound results in unwanted side effects,

Plants cannot be patented for cures. Pharma isolates and patents to gain profit

Something a shaman does not care about because god provides

>>131076403
>Lmao
May I kindly ask you to fuck off and not to return here until you have figured out how not to be retarded?

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>>131076557
>Not true
>proceeds to write something that has no relation to what was written whatsoever

>>131071505
I am not stupid, I have taken part in their rituals and have seen the results

They don't seek profit because god provides and gives to humankind

If we were not controlled and could travel freely, we could all benefit without filling a CEOs pockets with sometimes fatal consequences

Natives don't know borders, their knowledge if for us all just as your ancestors knew how to use plants and are now forbidden from sharing

>>131071800
The idea is that cures and knowledge to these people know no borders nor do they consider you a foreigner or an enemy.

A native brazilian shaman would gladly share his knowledge and seeds or plants if you offered the same in return so we can all benefit from the knowledge of our people = mankind

borders don't exist for people, only to politicians

>>131072001
So has your mother

hahahaha, just kidding

peace

>>131077170
>Natives don't know borders
>borders don't exist for people
They have their tribal territories and those areas border on other tribal territories. And yes - they would fight if one tribe would start hunting in some other tribe's hunting grounds.

>>131072588
income and societal issues are quite recent when you consider that humankind is 100 thousand + years in the making

IQ test are for the modern era. 1000 years in the making

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I don't we can measure intelligence. It's too abstract, but we can surely measure stupidity.

I got the idea after seeing the autism test.

The stupidity test would give you points for making stupid decisions. Smart people would get zero points ideally.

The stupidity test would prove your rational ability to detect fallacies instead of "seeing patterns" like in IQ.

>>131073047
You IQ is pretty subpar if you think that all Brazilians are niggers

Brazil has the largest Japanese population in the world outside of Japan AND many colonies of German and even Southern Americans outside of the USA

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>131073564
I studied at an american and a Canadian university

What do you think?

shall we compare MCAT scores as well?

>>131073973
Why would jungle monkeys be subject to receiving the biggest pharma companies in the world to learn their traditional medicine if they possessed no worthy knowledge?

>>131074552
says the fool who thinks that his so called primitive biblical peoples did not benefit the world why knowledge of plant medicine

There is even a book written about the medicinal plants of the Torah which has been used as a platform to study beneficial remedies and medication of the ancient world

sellout

>>131078299
Because some smart or lucky person found something unique and of value, but that tradition or knowledge doesn't make others smart, it makes them knowledgeable. If they were smarter on average they would have made other discoveries and inventions and wouldn't live off the knowledge of a smart ancestor.

>>131075307
The amazon basin (south america) is the future of medicine.

Even the ancient knowledge of Finnish plants is being revisited cause your supposed barbaric peoples knew more shit about plants than they do today

>>131075905
Trial and error is not the way these people came to knowledge of plants

The native peoples of Mexico via ritual would communicate with plants via peyote. Even today, the mexican peoples continue a proud tradition of rituals to speak to their ancestors and plants. In Brazil, we use Ayahuasca

most people....muh magic
native people: learn from our ancestors

>>131076149
If they were so smart, Why ask them?

Use super science to figure it out

You can't. The connection with elders and plants cannot be simply ascertained. You need communion with your environment

Your Austrian ancestors are probably rolling in their fucking grave. Your Grandmother would probably get a 35 in an IQ test but she could still give you the medicine you needed as a child when you were a kid

shame on you

>>131076766
says the person with no opinion AHHAHAHAAH

Tell me about your Grandmas knowledge of plants and the simple remedies she would give as a child you would be more beneficial than this non post

>>131077495
correct but borders and territorries were based on animal migration, not fixed borders. They would change with seasons and game

>>131078603
Like the way native canadians invented snowshoes, traps and even made canoes out of bark and sap?

Or how the Innu created insulation via packing different types of snow to make igloos?

HAHAHAHAAH

fucking leaf

>>131079880
Good job, you found all the inventions they made. Again, they had some interesting innovations but as IQ would predict those were one time things by a smart outlier and since the average IQ is rather low they stayed as savages with two or three interesting ideas.

>>131080388
Pottery, weaving, food preservation techniques including smoking, medicinal plants, stone chipping that renders tools sharper than steel, sunglasses, tanning and shoemaking, sledding and dog breeding, tree tapping to make MAPLE FUCKING SYRUP

go hide in your woodshed mr leaf....

a fucking Brazilian knows more about your heritage

>>131077170
That's simply inaccurate. Natives certainly know otherism. It's a basic human instinct.

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>>131065610
iq is real and it correlates with dozens if not hundreds of life outcomes.

>>131077551
Pattern recognition is one category in IQ tests. There's a lot more important categories.

>>131081173
Those aren't unique to natives in Canada, even then those would be expected of lower IQ population. IQ 80 doesn't mean they live like monkeys, just because you misunderstand what it means doesn't invalidate it, especially when the examples you provide are what IQ would predict.

>>131079325
If my granny have had an IQ of 35, she would have been a drooling potato and not been able to do anything else than being a drooling potato.

>>131065610
I mean cool I guess. Only problem is IQ's predictive validity is close to flawless... I'm guessing your IQ is spic tier

>>131081931
Have you ever traveled outside your home, I wonder

Have you ever traded skills with a friend?

Surely

A firm handshake or trade is the most honest way human used to interact prior to money and the pursuit of greed

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>>131079325
>If they were so smart, Why ask them?
>Use super science to figure it out
Because doing something in the simplest most efficient way is not smart....

>>131065610
So niggers are even dumber than we can even hope to quantify? Science is quacking crazy Jimbo.

>>131081998
Read the book I mentioned in the thread

Fallacy of IQ by Carl Senna

IQ tests are political and were created to fit an agenda. They are not a scientific proof or do not equate an accurate of intelligence

>>131065610
Fallacy Fallacy. A statement on something being a fallacy doesn't not mean that said statement is untrue.

>>131082447
Read the book fallacy of IQ by Carl Senna, then, perhaps you can understand that IQ tests were based and still exist only to advance political ideals and exclusion based on rudimentary science and invalid premises. It is about as scientific as the tests you can take over the internet along with love compatibility tests

>>131066386
Interesting.
Thanks Januss

>>131082687
My MCAT results got me in a top tier medical school in the US.

I speak 3 languages and can play the piano

you tell me

>>131082601
My point is that IQ tests are political in nature and do not measure intelligence better than a drooling potato

>>131082923
HAHAHAHA that in itself is a measure of intelligence

Chimps that undertake a task in a more effective manner or by solving complex problems in less steps are deemed more intelligent than their peers

The very fact of using less effort to solve a problem is a sign of intelligence

Keep repeating the same thing over and over again and invent a better system.

>>131084428
>The very fact of using less effort to solve a problem is a sign of intelligence
Finally you get it. Asking someone who knows something is more intelligent than figuring it out yourself while somone who can give you the answer is right there.

Good you finally came to your senses.

>>131083129
It means that it is flawed

a truth with no validity or a supposed truth that is lacking in merit

In a nut shell, the author explains that IQ tests were created for purely political reasons to serve an agenda

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>>131065610
Asians and Jews score well on IQs:
>IQ tests are completely accurate and prove that whites are inferior.

Blacks score poorly on IQs:
>IQ tests were created by racist whites to make blacks look stupid.

>>131079880
>HAHAHAHAAH
Why do niggers type like this

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>>131084167
>political in nature
>pattern recognition & problem solving
>political

>>131084590
That statement is contrived and gives me no insight vis-à-vis my original postulation

in other words...are you fucking drunk?

>>131083934
How about you summarize the content and arguments? Just saying "read this book" isn't a rebuttal.

>>131084798
ignoramus

proper English: Why do niggers type in this manner

You must be the load that dribbled out of your mother's anus

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>>131079325
>If they were so smart, Why ask them?
>Use super science to figure it out

>>131082923
>Because doing something in the simplest most efficient way is not smart....
obviouc sarcasm is obvious

>>131084428
>HAHAHAHA that in itself is a measure of intelligence
>Chimps that undertake a task in a more effective manner or by solving complex problems in less steps are deemed more intelligent than their peers
>The very fact of using less effort to solve a problem is a sign of intelligence

>>131084590
>Finally you get it. Asking someone who knows something is more intelligent than figuring it out yourself while somone who can give you the answer is right there.
>Good you finally came to your senses.

IQ tests are certainly measuring SOMETHING
Results are consistent, repeatable, predictive

They even design different IQ tests to measure different functionalities of the brain. For example, general intelligence (your ability to successfully organize and accomplish tasks in every day life), mathematical intelligence, spacial intelligence, verbal intelligence, mechanical intelligence.....etc

>>131085074
The book underlines the political agenda prelevent at the time. The author indicates that scientific studies regarding IQ are flawed because the generic questions asked in an IQ test are regional and based on a set of assumptions that the testers assume is a sign of intelligence

Factors such as musical ability, acquisition of languages or even problem solving in a natural setting have never been studied.

The other postulated that so many factors are not taken into consideration that measuring human intelligence implies so many measurable factors that IQ tests are laughable and about as scientific as putting your cock in the snow to measure temperature.

The same is true today. Climate studies and the political climate allow for funding of studies that put forward a theory based on a given political objective.

Example:> If you wanted money for reasearch post 1985, all you needed to do is add AIDS in the title
Climate change and the rise of HIV would get you the grant

This being said: Scientific study has been usurped in order to benefit political agendas. Something that should not be ethical in a scientific study

>>131085202
Do you get paid per post to shill or by day?

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>>131085944
>65 posts by this ID
>mostly muh big pharma ask natives
That autism...
Just have the spine to admit that you are wrong, instead of being a stubborn fool.

>>131085450
False. IQ tests are as good as a test can be when evaluating a complex problem

All IQ tests are based on purely political objectives in order to push agendas

Carl Senna makes a very compelling argument and explains how IQ tests were never meant to do anything more than to reinforce dogma

IQ tests prove nothing more than the IQ test was designed to do;
There exists no way to determine intelligence as it is a complex byproduct of mental function

IQ is as pseudo-science as psychology is today

IQ testing is skewed in favor of people that spend an extended amount of time engage in discussion with other people, look at images and overall spend continued hours on a screen, it is based mostly on pattern recognition that is utilized much more often than you'd think while browsing the internet. Every time you look at a thumbnail your brain is working on deciphering in your memory if you've ever seen that infograph before you even click to expand the image.
Online testing is as reliable as buzzfeed tho, take it with a pile of salt, like many have been doing in this thread apparently. Good job

>>131086412
Have the balls to discuss rather than just shill

You remind me of the people in college that would be intelligent enough to come up with novel ways to cheat. So elaborate and brilliant were their ways that they could have succeeded without cheating if they chose to use said time to study

>>131086552
Correct.

You can do better on an IQ test if you do it multiple times or prepre yourself.

There are even classes to teach people how to perform better on said tests. What to study, what to focus on

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>>131086424
>evil whites invent IQ to push a political agenda
>east asians turn out to score best and to be the most intelligent group
Yeah, those evil white people who establish the narrative of East Asian supremacy because [reasons]

>>131075905
This, the smart ones picking up on the pattern...is pattern recognition. The other anon you are responding to doesn't seem to be intelligent enough to grasp this.

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>>131086938
well, there's a limit to it, but preparations is much less important than having taken the test already, most of the questions revolve around the same patterns, with different symbols.
Without thinking, that'd be like solving the same problem with different variables, but in reality you're basically throwing derivative content at people that live and die by memetic content daily. Ironically, loss.jpg made everyone that much more intelligent in the long run

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>>131086975
When I was in college we had labs.

The asian students would excel on the theoretical part but fail miserable on the practice lab section.

They could identify every part of a cell on paper...but in the microscope, they could not distinguish shit fuck all.

Asians perform much better on IQ test because their language is based on pattern recognition (symbols) rather than individual letters.

Also, it is common in Asian countries for them to tech prep classes to pass everything from MCAT to IQ. They spend more time studying than you do masturbating
...which is impressive

>>131087155
Asians do better on IQ tests because their language is based on symbols and pattern recognition

read the book, you may learn something

This is the same Brazilian idiot who keeps making threads about IQ on /pol/. He has been BTFO countless times. He lacks the cognitive ability to understand how IQ is measured and researched, and hasn't done the proper legwork to study it because he has an agenda. It's pointless arguing with him.

Researchers in the genomics field have made great strides in isolating the polygenetic makeup of intelligence. Check out Steve Hsu's or Greg Cochran' blogs if you're interested in keeping up with the news in the genomics community.

>>131086424
>Carl Senna makes a very compelling argument and explains how IQ tests were never meant to do anything more than to reinforce dogma
So nothing of substantive refuting the evidence, only postulations over empirical results? Gotchya.

>>131087282
Asian languages are also based on symbols and pattern recognition.

>>131065610
don't try to redefine intelligence for your own convenience, hue

>>131087156
your dick so small you need a magnifying glass?

>>131088181
I read about it, in a book

all your burger ass can do is repeat what you see on memes

get an education...I went to a top tier medical school in the USA, you probably work at starbucks

open a fucking book troll

>>131088235
postulating?

Did you read the book you fucking moron? Of course not.

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>>131088490
Oh no, he tries to act as if I have a small dick. HOW WILL I EVER RECOVER
Noone lost the debate so hard today, like you did.

>>131088028
Holy shit. Their language is (ant not only that, even their social system) is much more complex because they have such a high IQ.

>>131088678
>I read about it, in a book

Read more.

>all your burger ass can do is repeat what you see on memes

Wrong.

>get an education...I went to a top tier medical school in the USA, you probably work at starbucks

Wrong. Educate yourself.

>>131068292
>Learn from all and spread knowledge for the improvement of mankind
You just want to be able to move to a White country, right?

>>131088480
I did not write the book you fucking moron

I just read it because I was interested to know why most mediccal schools don't give a fuck about IQ test results. At the time I was studying to get into medical school and was told to worry about MCAT and that IQ was basically useless these days; A professor gave me a copy of the book I mentioned and I wanted to bring to topic up for discussion cause most sofa scholars on pol seem to think IQ is everything.

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>>131072271
>>131071669
>>131071355
Ahah this fuckin hue being BTFO in this thread haha

>>131088902
says the troll that brought nothing but bullshit and trolling to this thread

good job proving pol is full of retards

>>131089019
Their language is (ant not only that, even their social system) is much more complex <--- troll brain meltdown.

You are the dribbling potato of your generation

>>131089081
only trolls at the end of a thread

Figures....

Show me something more than passive trolling

>>131089285
you get paid by post or per day?

Can't even write an entire sentence
That is why Indian people are taking all your jobs

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>>131089297
I owned you.
See >>131085202
You lost the debate.

>>131089501
Oh no, a typo. Totally fucked me up right there. :^)
Stop being butthurt about this. There is no shame in being outsmarted by a 124 IQ Austrian.

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>>131089645
>192 relpies
>end of thread
Pick one.

>>131089645
I have, every time you've participated in this discussion. I can tell by your posting style and uninformed arguments that you're the same anon from IQ threads and you've been BTFO every time you join the discussion. I'm done trying to teach you about how IQ is measured and researched. In fact part of the lesson of intelligence differences is that you just can't fix stupid. I'm simply warning others not to waste their time on someone who is both willfully dishonest and also just kind of dim.

>Brazilian intellectuals

>>131090149

the point of a discussion is not to win but to debate

A person with some form of intelligence would get that at some point...I guess you have nothing more to do than post anime pics and jerk off cause you end up on the winning side of every conversation you have with women HAAHAHAHAHA

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>>131090655
>lost the game
>IT NEVER WAS ABOUT WINNING!!!^1111°°!!!11

>>131065610
IQ is the biggest farce there is. Had an low score but I can guarantee you that I'm more smarter then every one I know.

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>>131090803
Are you by any chance a Detroit resident?

>>131090542
If you did read and had tried to get into any school in the world, you would know IQ is no longer a requirement.

Better tests like MCAT (for medical school) are now utilized as IQ tests have gone the way of the dinosaur

I respect your opinion but clearly understand by your use of internet jargon that you have never attempted anything more than an IQ test, believing somehow that the rest of the world will respect you based on your results from MYIQ.com

You have provided 0 scientific evidence or any publication to prove your opinion = troll

>>131091020
you are an anime pic collector I see

You must find it hard to chat with women that are not 2D and do not exist in your mind, besides your mom

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>>131091315
Byebye, Brazil IQ anon.

>>131073047
criminally underrated

>>131091430
Where in Austria did you hatch?

>>131091709
Show us more anime....we are impressed by your collection (said no woman ever)

>>131065610
Iq is excellent for averages and correlates heavily with every ''other form' of intelligence '', adaptation to your environment is part of intelligence but it's not all, else cockroaches are the smartest motherfuckers around. Iq measures ability to think, learn, percieve fast, a high iq individual can learn anything faster and better than a lower IQ one.

You can show me niggers who steal even from lions wich is dangerous, unhygienic and unefficient but i'm pretty sure they wouldn't ever adapt to being a swiss surgeon while i'm pretty sure a norwegian mathematician could learn how to hunt easily.

>>131066419

>Intelligent comment.

Just how fedora can you get you disgusting filthy fat fucking faggot?

>>131092202
The best Mathematicians are from India

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan

and no, IQ tests are not an indication of intelligence. IQ tests are nothing more than a political tool

>>131065610
The alternative is to look at outcomes and oh look white people succeed at everything more than everyone else(except Jews)

>>131092417
What the fuck does that even mean?

You are the Austrian dude with a new VPN

not very intelligent...1 post by this ID

HAHHAHAHAHA

>>131073047

Be nice to the furry little guy, would ya?

>>131092455
>1 dude
>out of a population 8 times bigger than the white US population.

>>131092584

That has to be the most uneducated comment I have read today.

The best mathematician in modern times was an indian dude with no formal education from a shit background.

There is no marked difference between individual races when given the same material and time to prepare for any given examination.

>>131089197
you're trying post some hunter-gatherer bullshit to prove that there's more to intelligence than just learning speed, etc. The fact is that what is normally referred to as "intelligence" is exactly what IQ measures; it's not supposed to measure fucking fishing ingenuities.
As a low-IQ country, Brazil won't ever become developed. Sorry to break it to you

>Niggers do bad on a test.
>lol the test must be bad guys let's ignore it and make a new one!
>niggers do bad on new test.

Repeat ad infinitum.

>>131092924
The man was a fucking genius

He still has mathematicians confused as fuck. His theories are still a mystery but are proven correct time and time again

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>>131065610

IQ dictates the rise in Civilization. But also the level of degeneracy that leads to collapse.

Archives: http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

>>131065610
Because it's correlated with problem solving/pattern recognition.

And before you spout a bunch of rubbish about hunters and tribal wisdom you must realise how horribly underdeveloped those societies are. They learn that shit as those who failed to make the associations died out/were assimilated into the other tribes.

>>131065610
Yes, IQ is old and outdated because Africans and Aboriginals tend to score low on them - obviously proving that these tests are invalid as we all know that everyone is equally intelligent.

I don't score well on IQ tests but my verbal and musical intelligence score is huge. That makes me feel good and this is what it's all about, making me feel good.

>>131093170
IQ = intelligence quotient
Not a measure of intelligence but rather an indicator or score based on a given test

By no means does it measure something as abstract as human intelligence

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ITT: Hue monkey brainlet tries to deny the factual world because it implies he is a hue monkey LOOOL

Also: If you're <130 you are in fact, a baboon.

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>jews notice that the nazis scored high on IQ tests during Nuremburg trials
>from this point on IQ tests are somehow "not reliable" or "certain" anymore
hahahahaha

give me one reason why I shouldn't believe in the best test available to measure intelligence?

>>131093365
This this this! The a priori assumption that all humans are equally intelligent has no basis in fact or reality but is used by faggot alike op to shit on the IQ test.

>>131093346
Correlation does not imply truth, only infers probability

>>131093550
>By no means does it measure something as abstract as human intelligence
Which was never the claim, it measures attributes commonly associated with problem solving. If you have a high IQ you have a high probability of being smart.

>>131065610
Charles Murray skewers all the criticisms against IQ testing on Sam Harris's podcast.
https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/forbidden-knowledge

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>>131093697
We are all created equal under G*d

Deus vult!

>>131093886
Yes, my point.

Probability is that Abos are dumb as fuck, the IQ test corroborates this. IQ is a tool to determine the probability someone is smart, it even accounts for exceptional individuals on both ends of the scale.

>>131093365
IQ tests are based on politics and nothing more

there is no way of measuring intelligence as it is an abstract concept based on too many factors

>>131093652

yet again austria man changes IP to troll

>>131094289
>there is no way of measuring intelligence as it is an abstract concept based on too many factors
Even though by your own admission it measures the probability of intelligence which was always it's intended use.

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>>131070127
plants contain chemical compounds,
one or a few may be beneficial in fighting a disease or maintaining homeostasis,
However the plants have many other compounds some of which may be toxic if taken to an effective dosage to relieve original ailment

See history of Ibuprofen

but mostly you're charged up the ass for research and an incredibly abused patent law system

Jungle negro

>>131093683
Yeah. All those stupid fucking Jews topping the IQ scale and wining Nobel prizes. They wanted to discredit IQ to help support their agenda of making Jews less successful. What idiots!

Jews btfo!

>>131065610
Son, proper IQ testing is long and expensive. Those shitty 'continue the sequence with a correct little symbol' tests are just a shorthand version developed because nigger-lovers complained that proper tests confuse minorities because names from majority ethnical group were used instead of tyrone and obongo. Which is pure bullshit because any even remotely intelligent person will bypass it by abstracting them into person A and person B and not waste time on whether it's tyrone and shanequa or it's gűnther and jürgen or whatever. And as much as level of IQ isn't a 100% sure way of predicting success on a personal level, when used in a proper statistical analysis comparing any groups average IQ and general success in life, it is spot on.

TL;DR
Take your 'muh feelz' crap to someone who cares. There is no fallacy in proper IQ testing no matter what your gender studies professors parrot at you.

>>131093953
So why is IQ no longer used for admittance to schools and has become an internet joke test?

because it is political in nature

>>131094210
IQ tests are only as good as the test itself

Meaning that no one single test is accurate enough to evaluate the entire spectrum of human intelligence.

Did anybody read the fucking book I posted????

>>131094666
>So why is IQ no longer used for admittance to schools
Because many minorities tend to have low IQ scores, and so as to increase their admissions for political means the IQ test was scrapped.

>>131094431
Again, as mentioned in the book (fallacy of IQ)

the IQ test was political in nature and was never acknoledge as anything more than a political tool to advance given agendas.

IQ tests today are considered relics and as unscientific as tests can be

>>131094823
>Did anybody read the fucking book I posted????
I've been here 20 minutes, so no.

And you're still sperging out like a retard and refusing to talk about how IQ is an accurate but not total indicator of Intelligence.

Just because one savant doesn't mean the rest of the test recipients with low scores aren't dumb as bricks.

>>131095094
>>131091447
What did you think of my chart?

>>131094473
Thing is: Plants and their makeup are stable because over many millions of years they provide a structure that we yet do not understand.
Although a plant contains a toxin does not mean it is toxic

Spectrum analysis of plant active ingredients is a blunt instrument that often leads researchers to ignore background compounds that often offer stability to the active compound they seek to extract.

Molecular interaction is based on models not on fact

>>131094545
1 post by ID = TROOOOOOOOOOOL

>>131094823
I thought most people already understood this.

>>131095427
>Carl Senna
Published credits of Carl Senna include Black Press and the Struggle for Civil Rights.
He is a political ideologue. Anything written by him should be taken with a grain of salt.

>>131095542
>1 post by ID = TROOOOOOOOOOOL
97 posts by this ID = IDIOOOOOOTTTT

>>131094509
This is the very reason IQ tests are no longer used as a measure of intelligence. The bullshit politics of IQ testing has long been recognized and discredited as non-scientific hogwash

Nobel prizes are awarded not on merit but on endorsement

No self respecting school these days or academic institution requires an IQ test because they are worthless and in no way capable to measuring something as abstract as human intelligence

>makes a thread about iq tests
>big pharma big pharma big pharma
Look at the big iq on you

>>131095866
>very reason IQ tests are no longer used as a measure of intelligence
No. It is to give people like you a fighting chance. Providing you can get through a job interview without drooling.

>>131095866
THIS!

It was found that when IQ tests were used for education institutions the rate of brown minorities accepted plummeted! This proves undoubtly that IQ is just a load of shit.

Just look at private schools, they use IQ tests and there are virtually no based black men there. This is a modern day form of segregation

>>131094823
>IQ tests are only as good as the test itself
Precisely the point of the test.
>>131095094
And you're intentionally being obtuse to the fact that was never the intention of the test. It's a strongly associated indicator, still used clinically as it's standard error of measurement is ~3 points. Exceptions exist but just because it was misused in the past doesn't mean it's invalid.

>>131094876
No....read the book fallacy of IQ

These tests are considered archaic because they were based on political agendas.

Intelligence in humans is an abstract phenomenon, not something you can measure with a blunt instrument like a written test

IQ testing was phased out and replaced with more accurate instruments based on profession rather than a GENERAL concept

MCAT for example for medical school
BAR for law
General knowledge tests
etc

No one test can measure something as complex as human intelligence

>>131065958
How do you measure the impact of a man

>>131065610
>we wuz too intelligent for whitey to quantifie.
lmao ok.

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>>131096399
>read the book fallacy of IQ
In 30 minutes? Fuck off.

And here >>131096395

>>131096501
Pascals or PSI.

>>131093550
Intelligence = ability to understand complex ideas, to adapt effectively to environment, to learn from experience, to engage in various form of reasoning, to overcome obstacles by taking thought. IQ tests, tests of learning ability, are families of tests of more specific competencies, such as vocabulary, reading comprehension, mathematical reasoning, general information, and pattern completion. IQ tests measure, through positive mutual correlations, something ordinarily called "intelligence."
Even though human intelligence is "abstract", there are common factors between these mental abilities.
You can get a good grip of something as abstract as physical fitness through gauging grip pressure, push-ups in one minute, and running speed. There are similiarly good, common-factor-measuring tests for intelligent capabilities.

>>131096399
>Book is proof, look it got published, it HAS to be true.

>>131095273
Again, IQ tests went the way of the Tazmanian Devil

They were elaborated based on politics and are no longer seen as anything more than instruments to push a political agenda

To believe a single test is powerful enough to measure something as abstract as human intelligence is imbecilic.

I can't even recall a single mention of IQ tests in any scientific paper in the last 10 years.

IQ tests are now seen on stupid internet sites that claim to measure intelligence

If you can't read the book I mentioned, go read up the history of IQ tests on wiki or google that shit

>>131096803
Do you have a single fact to back up any of these claims?

>>131095376
IQ tests have not appeared in any scientific publication in at least 10 years

shit is played out

If you can't read the book, google the history of IQ tests.

Developed as a political tool and phased out for being absolutely pseudo-science

In the entire time I spent in medical school. never have I even seen an IQ test.

Entrance exams, yes
MCAT, sure

I studied at a top tier medical school in the US and never even heard a mention of IQ tests. It was during a class I took related to psychiatry that I read the book I mention. IQ tests are political bullshit

IQ test = way of the dodo

example...you can paint masterpieces and speak 5 languages, yet the IQ test does not even cover such things....

>>131096995
No. He is a pissed off nigger that clocked 80 on the test and is now lashing out.

>>131096803
>Again, IQ tests went the way of the Tazmanian Devil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford%E2%80%93Binet_Intelligence_Scales
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodcock%E2%80%93Johnson_Tests_of_Cognitive_Abilities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven%27s_Progressive_Matrices
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wechsler_Adult_Intelligence_Scale
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattell_Culture_Fair_III
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_Intellectual_Assessment_Scales
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_Ability_Scales
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multidimensional_Aptitude_Battery_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das%E2%80%93Naglieri_cognitive_assessment_system

It was refined instead.
>I can't even recall a single mention of IQ tests in any scientific paper in the last 10 years.
Although it's not absolute this is a fairly good indicator of the modern field of psychology. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/scientists-replicated-100-psychology-studies-and-fewer-half-got-same-results-180956426/

>>131095618
I really think I am living in the twilight zone

>>131097274
>I studied at a top tier medical school in the US
Burden of proof is on you.

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>>131065610

>>131095771
YES

He wrote about the IQ test because it was a fucking political based bullshit test.

Pseudo science. not even mentioned anymore in academia

>>131096047
Want to compare MCAT scores?

I got into a top tier medical school in the US

what have you done?

>>131097542
>He wrote about the IQ test because it was a fucking political based bullshit test.
XAXAXAXAXA

No.

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>>131065610
>a favela intellectual

>>131097337
There is no better predictor of general group success than IQ.

Have a nice day.

>>131096300
political bullshit

exactly

>>131097719
>Want to compare MCAT scores
Are only associated with intelligence, and are in no way absolute indicators :)

>>131097274
Weird how something that went the way of the dodo is such a great predictor of outcomes.
>IQ tests have not appeared in any scientific publication in at least 10 years
I'm starting to think this is a troll

>>131097278
Its quite apparent. He keeps saying the same thing over and over, shifting the onus, and sourcing nothing but a 1973 book.

>>131097819
That's what I've been saying!

>>131065610
Whites: symbiosis
Chinese: domestication
Negroes: theft

It checks out.

>>131096395
He is always intentionally obtuse. He merely states that IQ has been debunked based off of a politically motivated book while offering no real qualifications and ignoring the continuing research into intelligence and genomics, of which China is now at the forefront. He also conflates online IQ tests (not real) with actual, clinically proctored IQ tests that are still commonly taken and used for research in the genomics of intelligence. He also refuses to acknowledge the existence of the ASVAB, which is essentially an IQ test that the military uses to sort applicants into various fields (is the person smart enough to be a linguist, air traffc controller, or nuclear systems handler or are they only qualified to be a cook or security forces). But calling it an IQ test would hurt people's feelings so we are not allowed to use it to substitute for job interviews or college admission processes.

There is a wealth of information on the internet that's just a few clicks away enabling anyone to learn about the ongoing research into and efficacy of intelligence testing. Steve Hsu and Greg Cochran blog regularly about it. Look up the genomics program at U of M, or in China. But Brazilanon will avert his eyes, because

>Brazilian intellectuals

>>131096395
IQ tests have not been used in Academia for at least 10 years

No higher learning institution requires it for admission as it proves nothing

It is pseudo-science and political at best

was originally used as a political measure to advance agendas

>>131097846
>DA WHITE MAN IZ BE KEEPIN WE DOWN

>>131065610
you are saying IQ tests are wrong because dolphins catch fish for third world shithole mexiniggers? wew lad

>>131096803
There is nothing "abstract" about intelligence. You think that if a guitar is used to make music that a guitar itself, the wood, has some property called "musical" that other wood doesn't have?

>>131066952
>Hunters of deer know to use salt licks and the hormones in female deer piss to get sucess in hunting.
this is knowledge, not intelligence
they were taught by someone intelligent, who figured it out

>>131097719
Earned a degree in electronics engineering with state scholarship (0$ paid for studying) and a small state stipend every month while I was studying cause I'm that good. And I didn't even get any bonus points on minority/exchange student like you probably did.

>>131098024
>Academia for at least 10 years
Not in the US maybe.
>No higher learning institution requires it for admission as it proves nothing
Because it's no longer an option as it's seen as 'discriminatory'.
>It is pseudo-science and political at best
Pot, Kettle, Black.

IQ is the single best predictor for life success, even above being born in a wealthy family. Look up g factor correlation, cba to link on mobile

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>>131098024
MORON

>>131096734
There is no accurate way to measure intelligence

Specialization schools now use knowledge tests to access as best they can a candidates abilities in a given field

IQ tests are no longer considered valid

IQ tests are now the joke test likened to astrology tests on the internet

From their foundation, they were created to push political agendas, nothing more

the concept of intelligence for example looks at such a small tranche of the human intelligence spectrum and cannot possibly account or quantify a person's intelligence

op keeps responding with untrue, uncitable, shaky "facts"

>>131096742
No academic institution (for the past 10 years) considers it as a measure of anything else than bullshit.

The book is a good reference as to why it became extinct.

It is pseudo-science

>>131084028
quotas
you aren't put on the same standard BECAUSE of your intelligence

>>131096995
No higher learning institution in the world considers it as a valid test or even a valid tool to measure intelligence

I don't even remember seeing a scientific publication that used an IQ test in it.

>>131098316
>Muhh AIQUE

Muhh dicc of incels

Noone gives a fuck about your electronics degree fucking spastic

You are noone and you know it.
>Muh electronics degree
Get the fuck out off here

>>131097776
holy shit, is that a monkey or a human?

>>131098504
>There is no accurate way to measure intelligence
g factor does exactly this
>IQ tests are no longer considered valid
even if this were true, ad verecundiam
>IQ tests are now the joke test likened to astrology tests on the internet
even if this were true, ad verecundiam
>From their foundation, they were created to push political agendas, nothing more
even if this were true, ad hominem
>the concept of intelligence for example looks at such a small tranche of the human intelligence spectrum and cannot possibly account or quantify a person's intelligence
g factor does exactly this

>>131098743
>>131098889
>No academic institution (for the past 10 years)
>Uses a book from the 70's as his gospel.

>>131097337


FAIRLY good indicator ....wow, so scientific

>>131098743
>doesnt even address my argument
Its like you aren't even trying.

>>131099206
Determining probability is literally what most Science is.

>>131097463
ya I am going to doxx myself on /pol

you must think I scored high on the IQ test


Ask anybody that went to school more than highschool and ask them if admission required an IQ test

Again IQ test are political. not a TRUE or even close measure of intelligence.

>>131099054
Whatever you say, turkroach.

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>>131099126
sorry, the third one:

>>131098416
>Iq predictor of life sucess
Wrong

Searched for it on jewgle and couldn't find a single reputable study

Literally a meme spouted by incels who need to a number to not feel totally worthless about themselves

Aesthetics were the biggest predictor of life sucess

Research any of the claims incels spout and you'll find out it's thin air

>>131097891
find one, please

>>131099418
>ya I am going to doxx myself on /pol
Then why make the claim, unless you're trying to bully with your authority.
>you must think I scored high on the IQ test
I really don't, you show little to no flexibility in your arguments/sources.
>Ask anybody that went to school more than highschool and ask them if admission required an IQ test
I know it doesn't because I'm stuck on this fucking Island on the other side of the world until I graduate.
>Again IQ test are political. not a TRUE or even close measure of intelligence.
So says you and a few cultural Marxists.

>>131097975
Find me one scientific paper that mentions IQ in the past 10 years

please

I have not seen one, I don't even know one person who had to take one to enter an institution of higher learning, do you?

>>131099420
Your whole history is trying to be German , so fuckoff retard
I wasn't the one bragging about my electronics degree in the first place so fugg off