This is an Islamic mosque in the Turkish city of İstanbul.

>>131062932
That's where your wrong saracen. That is the Hagia Sophia, a Christian Byzantine church in the city of Constantinople.

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>>131062932
What's your point OP? Giving us a target to drop bombs filled with raid?

Constantinople Reconquista Now!

>>131062932
Thank you for preserving it. Unlike British who took hammer and chisel to Parthenon and brought shards of it to their savage country and "British Museum" or stole Egyptian obelisks.

>>131062932

Let this be a lesson to you Europoors what happens to your "christendumb" when you flood your countries with shitskins.

Your churches turn into mosques and your memory is forgotten.

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>>131062932
neat.

>>131063469
>preserving
they removed all the frescos because images are forbidden in Islam, and replaced it all with mudslime letters

>>131063253
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l20Pac9YWM

>>131063679
>removed
They painted over them.

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>>131062932
Its hilarious how the greatest "muslim" building in the world, actually isn't.

You goatlovers can't create anything, ANYTHING on your own. Oh you used to be good at conquest, I'll give you that. You haven't won a proper war in two hundred years though, and the only reason you're a threat to the West is because the West is currently suffering a bad case of the Jew.

As soon as we shake it off, though, you fuckers become irrelevant within a couple years. You cannot compete with us in any way, not since the Battle of Vienna.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYQ29xMQU-o

>>131063679
art is illegal because islam is a shit tier religion.

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>>131062932
>brags on the behalf of his conquerors about a building the Turkic invaders didn't even build
>his people built it, but they've forgotten who they are in the greatest propaganda coup in world history
>honestly believes he's Turkic

Face it, OP. You don't even know who your own people are. You've been conquered and cucked and are now bragging on the behalf of your conquerors. You could keep LARPing as a steppe horde, or you could reclaim your Roman heritage and legitimately brag about your people's accomplishments.

>>131062932
It looks like it smells like shit

>>131062932
It used to be a Christian Church until you people stole it.

>>131062932
And what exactly do you want us to know about this retard camp?

>>131062932
I cant wait for the day the Christians of the world retake Constantinople and rape every muslim woman, Burn alive every muslim child, castrate and torture every muslim man before ultimately being fed his dick then shot. It will become the epitome of genocide spoken about for centuries after.

>>131062932

It's funny how they depend on a christian church because they can't built a mosque themselves. Pathetic.

>>131063679
>removed
you have never been to it, have you?

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>>131065404
Come home, friend.
Steppe lineages are almost nonexistent in your country. You've been lied to. Rome is your true nation.

>>131065404
Why would anyone want to go to Turkey?

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>>131063139

Based American FPBP

>>131065771
I'm home. I just speak a central asian language now. I'm still genetically greek. I'm still roman.

I've been inside of that mosque

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>>131065981

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>>131063906
Pic related is a Muslim building.
I don't even care about Muslims, just hate to see disinformation being spread.

>>131062932
>This is an Islamic mosque in the Turkish city of İstanbul.
And it's a hellhole.

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>>131062932
And this is a Catholic church in the Hungarian city of Pécs.

>>131065981
Aren't you uncomfortable that your conquerors have convinced your countrymen of such a tragic lie?
Turkey's position on the political map should not bear that name.

>>131062932
Actually its a museum in a secular city.
t. Ataturk

>>131062932
Yup. Stolen. Mudshits can't build anything that isn't a box.

>>131063139
Jesus bless

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>>131066394

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>>131062932

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>>131066066
Explain this, faggot.
>>131065771

>>131066329
it has been 1000 years now. a lot has happened. A lot has been forgotten. Islam tends to destroy every memory of this place.
Republic stopped that. but it is a long process to diminish islamic effect all together.

>>131063139
That WAS

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we're taking back spain.

you crackas guys don't want spain anyways. "beaners of europe", you call them.

>>131066653
jajajaja do it do it now... you will see what will happen

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>>131062932
aaaaaaaannnndddddddd...... This is a moab

>>131062932
>Istanbul
No such thing exist

>>131062932
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgliFGNmQps

You choose what to do next. My preferred choice is incineration.

>>131062932
Btw you faggot the hagia sophia was a church before you captured the city

>>131063712
This

>>131066713
Thinking bout that inquisition aren't you

>>131066777
it is still a greek name, don't worry
>>131066899
and it is a museum now.

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>>131062932
This is a Turk trespassing in human environment.

>>131067016
what?

>>131062932
There is literally nothing wrong with this. The Ottomans conquered the city, and held it ever since. It is their lands. They are the winner and the Greeks were the losers
Success breeds jealously and envy

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>>131062932
Turks consider themselves to be white, they are actually arabs.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA EFSANE TİRAD AMINA KOYYYYYYYYİM d: (sarkastik değil valla)

>>131063679
But it can still be retaken like this

>>131066551
but I am also Turkish

>>131063679
Not removed, they plastered over them.
It stayed that way for centuries until the Turks wanted to display their newfound modernity by removing some of the plaster. This however has damaged every single fresco, because lol Turkish construction.

>>131067460
saol qNq

>>131063469
The British Museum is great desu, I'm glad we liberated these artefacts from other countries and put them together in a place where the people are civilised enough to appreciate them properly.

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>>131062932
And this is a drawing of mohammed on /pol/.

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>>131062932
We have enough great churches.

But your Pic will be ours soon again.

>>131063139
fupubupu

>>131067649
>Happy is the one who calls himself a Turk
>he fell for the propaganda
Still can't explain it, lad. You don't know your true heritage.

>>131065981
WE

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>>131063679
they restored infidel drawings.

>>131065782
turkey is 6th most popular tourist destination in the world leaf.

>>131069289
>unironically valuing religion over ethnicity
That's your history, moron. Your forefathers weren't the ones drinking goat milk in yurts.

>>131063139
Well to be fair it was a Mosque but is now a museum I think.

>>131062932
Why not post pictures of the Blue Mosque? A far more impressive building and one that was actually built by your people?

>>131062932
Soon Constantinople will be Greek, and the Hagia Sophia will be filled with church services again.

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>Cucksaders are still butthurt about the crusades

>>131069499
His fathers were cuckoldes to greeks,a meme civilisation
Thank uncle mo for turning worthless roachs into the greatest empire in history

>>131070039
Hagia Sophia has a substantially larger dome. While the Blue Mosque is impressive, it is made all the less so since it does not have temporal primacy, and is an imitation, while still having a smaller dome.

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>>131070692
>Ottoderps
>greatest empire
>says an African
Don't kid yourself, bucko.

>>131070692
>His fathers were cuckoldes to greeks,a meme civilisation
Greeks accomplished more in ancient times than the entirety of the """modern""" islamic world. Sad!

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>>131070039
here is another mosque which was funded by a former christian, safiye sultan, an italian peasant girl who was captured and sold to harem, later queen mother of Ottoman empire.

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>>131063139
Amen

>>131063139
based

>>131063906
>haven't won a war in two hundred years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War

>>131070897
You're not doing a great job of arguing AGAINST reclaiming your Roman heritage.
Don't let the <<<6% steppe nomads in your population cuck you eternally.

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>>131063139

Occultists run all the main religions. Scratch the surface, and you will find Satan. Also Communism, and other atheist cults.

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>>131062932
This is a dead Turk in a beautifull Turkish casket

>>131063469

The Parthenon was blown up by Turks who were using it as an ammo dump centuries ago.

British pillaging of ancient artefacts has saved countless treasures that would be at the mercy of ISIS and neglectful states like Egypt.

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>>131065981
>descendant of traitors
>Roman

>>131071150
>when you finally become a good Turk

>>131071170
italians bombarded it. ottomans didnt even bother to convert it into mosque until a big revolt.

>>131071191
>>131071279
Nigger you all got conquered by the Ottomans.
The Anatolians have simply been abandoned by their European brothers. The longer we wait to launch a memetic counter-campaign to spread the truth, the worse their plight becomes.
In the end, however, they are our genetic brothers. Do not abandon them.

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>>131066374
>>131067024
>>131070035
This. It is not a mosque, it has been a museum since Ataturk.

>>131070885
I didnt know that berbers were african

>>131070889
You sayed ""modern"" rather than ottoman era dont act like the ""modern"" western world is any better

>muh greek civilisation
Greeks were living in a corrupte shithole while acting like savages litteraly raping and murdering their own for giggles dont delude yourself with muh white heritage meme muh subhuman roach

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>>131071661
The more you know.

>>131071661
The Ottoman Era was objectively worse than the Byzantine Era. Under the Byzantines, Constantinople was the jewel of the world. Under the Ottomans, it was a shit hole. Choose any time period you want, Islam has always been shit.

>Greeks were living in a corrupte shithole while acting like savages litteraly raping and murdering their own for giggles
nice source faggot

>>131071640
>Turk
>genetic brother
fuck no, they chose to abandon their heritage for some steppenigger culture so they might as well be eradicated

>>131071661
>Greeks were living in a corrupte shithole while acting like savages litteraly raping and murdering their own for giggles dont delude yourself with muh white heritage meme muh subhuman roach
>Algerian education

>>131071867
>Constantinople was the jewel of the world
then 1204 happened.
>Under the Ottomans, it was a shit hole
nope, they did everything they could to populate and restore the city latins destroyed.

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>>131071867
Please refer to the period from 330-1453 as the Late Roman period. It is simply historiographically more accurate.

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>>131072056
(((Venice)))

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>>131062932
This is a Christian Church in the Hungarian city of Pécs :^)

>>131071943
Propaganda is a powerful tool, retard. Caucasians have already effectively lost all of the middle-east and North Africa because of our refusal to commit any real resources to saving the populace of those regions before it was too late, and their gene pool had crashed with sub-90 IQ survivors.

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>>131072056
>>131065981
>STILL ROLEPLAYING AS A GREEK
you're neither a Greek nor a Turk (UNLESS YOU'RE REALLY A GREEK FROM TRABZON OR ISLANDS)
you're Turkish.

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>>131065771
>HURR MUH HAPLOS XDDD
As expected from an amerisubhuman low iq.

>>131072714
>falling this hard for medieval propaganda
I'm sorry, but what the fuck do you think that graph shows except that Turks are mostly west-Eurasian?
That is not incompatible with the truth that you Anatolians and East Thracians are absolutely not Turkic.

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>>131072023
>>131071867
>civilised
>degenerate gay fags who couldnt keep their borders safe from subhumans and got fucked by athenians

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>>131072714
I'm turkish. I speak Turkish. but I'm genetically greek. I'm not larping. pic related.

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>>131072855
Turks are mostly west eurasian because Turkics who invaded Anatolia were Turkmens, aka half hapa half persian, ranging from 10% to 50% mongoloid.
pic related is a Turkmen, i can find millions of Turks and maybe Greeks looking like that.

>>131071785
>>131071785
Ireland
http://www.strawpoll.me/13266592
Spain
http://www.strawpoll.me/13266576
Greece
http://www.strawpoll.me/13266535
Italy
http://www.strawpoll.me/13266516

Which of these countries will survive the day of the rope?

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>>131072714
we still have 15-20% steppe blood. better than nothing.

>>131072853
Haplogroups come from the father. At best, people like you claim that Turkic men took local wives. In reality, the picture we get from haplogroups shows that the vast majority of fathers were local men even throughout the entire Roum/Seljuq/Ottoman period.

>>131062932
>turkish
greeked

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>>131072945
>your post
West Eurasia is almost entirely composed of Europe. Don't be a moron.

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>>131072943
Yes i remember you, you were that dude from the Greek Islands right? I thought you were that inbred larper from Aydın.
8% mongoloid is unsually too high for a Greek though. Greeks at best have 1% mongol dna. Was one of your parents a Turk?
>>131073121
>>131073281
>Still hurr durring
As expected from a low iq Romeaboo fatty.
Tell me where we got our asian heritage if we have

>>131073343
if we have almost no haplos that came from asia*

>>131073030
You find these levels of admixture all through Eastern Europe.
Ukraine has more Turkic blood than you do. Stop falling for medieval propaganda.

>>131073343
See.
>>131073424
I know it hurts to realize you've been lied to.

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>>131073424
You're still hurr durring
When will you realize that haplogroups are utter shit?

>>131073343
>you were that dude from the Greek Islands right
Lemnos yes.
>8% mongoloid is unsually too high for a Greek though
I'm not pure. like every other western anatolian. 5 to 10% is norm for anatolia.

>>131073566
>He's somehow surprised that R1b (Celt & proto-Celt) has a huge diaspora
Study history more.

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>>131064080
Also
Fuck your Rome, fuck your pathetic """empire"""
you romeaboos are cancer and Surena should have destroyed that cancerous empire a long time ago

I congratulate Germanics and Turks/Arabs for destroying Romans.

>>131073726
The mongoloidness varies from 5% to 25% depends on the region. ""Turks"" from Trabzon and Rize are the only guys that have no asiatic heritage. The place where i came from (Giresun) must have more than 25% or it's just my family because i look very asian, although there are many phenotypes among my family members varying from native anatolian to central asian.

Also have you heard of Eurogenes K15 and Oracle tests at Gedmatch before? It's extremely good at calculating your heritage like pic related

>>131074065
>have you heard of Eurogenes K15 and Oracle tests at Gedmatch before? It's extremely good at calculating your heritage like pic related
no, I haven't. have to look into it. thanks bro.

>>131074065
>steppe based on Yamnaya samples
Holy shit.
Don't you know that the Yamnaya seeded most of the European continent with their genetics? They were the proto-Indo Europeans, and they conquered Anatolia as the Hittites well before anybody knew that Turkic people existed.
No wonder you're deluded about the average Anatolian's heritage.

>>131062932
This is a museum in the Turkish city of İstanbul.*

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>>131070692
>greatest empire in history
>>131070756

>>131071040
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War

mate, are you dumb?

>'the British defeated the Afghans in the concluding engagement.'

also, it was like 180 years ago; stop being so pedantic.

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>>131074065
yfw he looks like a Latin patrician.

>>131063139
Dog bless

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>>131074065

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Do it again based Khalid

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>>131074065
Here's a graph of the people with the most Yamnaya blood.

>>131062932
It's not a mosque anymore.

It is a secular historic building

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>>131063469
>This is the thanks we get for preserving artifacts that would have been destroyed centuries ago

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>>131074844
>LARPing as an Arab
It keeps getting worse.

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>>131074889
yeah yeah
get lost
>>131072943
Also found a similar result to your genetic admixture, although your med heritage is way higher, i assume you have 10% or 25% Seljuk heritage.

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>>131062932
REEEEEEEE

>>131075045
kek the best part is arabs hate turks

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>>131074844
LOL

>>131075166
>I have run out of arguments: the post

>>131062932
Give back Constantinoupole you lamb eating fucks

>>131062932
Is there a non-Islamic mosque or an Islamic non-mosque?

>>131064965
My girlfriend is Muslim and I'm not, will I be forced to rape her?

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>>131075235

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>>131075235
>lose large parts of your empire to Bulgarians and Arabs
>"H-Hey at least I still have Armenia and Greece"
>Oghuz Turks decided to leave Central Asia and migrate to somewhere else

>>131075235
Lol, we take ANATOLIA from you.we take Istanbul from you,your most precious city. We killed or assimilated your native inhabitans in Anatolia. Then we conquered Greece, we enslaved you, we raped your women, we raped you so hard you are not white aynmore and we forced your men to pay jizya tax, your childiren became soldiers for us, died in frontlines. And we killed 800.000 of your kind when they try to rebel us. Go on call me "r-roach" if thats make your butthurt ease, but don't forget one thing, we are your masters and you are our eternal slaves and you'll always be.
Pic related: we take it from you and you will NEVER take it back lol.

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>>131075643
Also forgot to add: we take half of your island from you tho :D and you will never take it back lmao :Dddd

>>131075643
>still buying medieval propaganda
Looks like somebody didn't read the thread.

>>131075619
>He still thinks his country is Turkic

>>131075643
>>131075804
ISTABUL IS OURS FUCKERS, I WILL EXTERMINATE ALL YOU SHITS.

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>>131075896
Indeed I do

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>>131070919

>>131075643
>>131075804
tick tock roach. The time's coming.

>“The Russians will soon take Turkey. The Chinese will cross the Euphrates. Providence tells me that many events will happen: The Russians will take Turkey and Turkey will disappear from the world map because a third of the Turks will become Christians, another third will die in the war and another third will leave for Mesopotamia.

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>>131075986
>it's a language map
You are one dense motherfucker.

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>>131075804

Untill a roach accidentally fucks up and shoots at the British. then you'll be kicked off that island so fast you'll think its the end of the ottoman empire again.

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>>131076125
>1071
>we will take back anatolia, just wait
>1171
>we will take back anatolia, just wait
>1271
>we will take back anatolia, just wait
>1371
>we will take back anatolia, just wait
>1453
>we will take back constantinople, just wait
>1553
>we will take back constantinople, just wait
>1653
>we will take back constantinople, just wait
>1753
>we will take back constantinople, just wait
>1853
>we will take back constantinople, just wait
>1953
>we will take back constantinople, just wait
>2017
>we will take back constantinople, just wait

>>131075643
You didn't kill shit, kid.
You're not a mongol.
You're not an Arab.
You're not Persian.
You are a Greek whose ancestors were converted to Islam.
Your parents submitted to the conqueror's culture. Just accept that you have fucking lost.

>>131075619
>muh Manzikert
literal fluke
reminder half of the Byzantine army was mercenaries who deserted the battle

>>131075643
>>131075804
>taking pride on being a subhuman mongrel

>>131076125
>The Chinese will cross the Euphrates

Calm down there Chang

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WE

>>131076427
>When you don't even own half of your flag
#JustGreekThings


Also Turks not only destroyed Romans at Manzikert, you seem to forgot Myriokephalon and conquest of coastal Greek cities in 1200s (Antalya etc)

>>131076325
Don't worry roach friend, you will see with your own eyes.

> "At the time you will hear that the water of Euphrates is cut off by the Turks,know that the preparation for Armageddon has started,and that millions of soldiers will pass by Euphrates to the Middle East,and that Russians will fight against Turkey".

>>131076325
>forgetting that the Megali Idea was almost implemented
The Eternal Anglo, enemy of the white man, cucked us all again by flaking at the last minute.

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>>131076427
Since when conquering lands and genociding your enemies regarded as being sub-human mongrel? Oh I get it, we are not wh*Te, we would be fearless conquistadors if we were wh*Te and christsubhumans, am I right?

>>131076615
>Couldn't take the city until the empire wanted to be taken

Shitter ottomans. Your armies where and still are incapable and your leaders are imbeciles.

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>>131075804
:D they light it during the night too. i like how we troll all southern cyprus.

>>131076836
glorious :DD

>>131076615
>Myriokephaleon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hyelion_and_Leimocheir
>conquest of coastal Greek cities in 1200s (Antalya etc)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antioch_on_the_Meander

The only reason why the Turks managed to advance was because the Byzantine Empire couldn't protect their Anatolian frontier while focusing on retaking Greece and Constantinople

>>131076720
You benefited from (((their))) handiwork in 1204 when merchants betrayed Rome.
You benefited from (((their))) handiwork in 1453 when the gates were opened.
The Turkic empire was on the decline ever since you faced the Holy League at Vienna. That gives you ~200 years of Imperium—pathetic.
Can't you win any lasting victories yourselves?

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This is an Italian temple in the German city of Xanten. How does this make you feel, pastaniggers?

>>131067409
I dont believe they are Arabs, they come from the North East area like Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan

>>131077199
We came from Khorasan (Eastern Iran) and Turkmenistan. Don't go too east.

>>131077235
Ah ye thats right, you migrated west and became the Ottomans

>>131062932
It's not a mosque as you well know.

>>131077199
>>131077235
Except only a tiny portion of them have steppe lineages. It's all LARPing by people who can't stand that they've been under the thumb of a tiny group of foreigners all this time.

>>131077339
Well to be fair, they were really big on the multiculturism under the Ottoman Empire

Hell damned near their entire musketeer force was comprised of white Christians

>>131062932
ding dong you are wrong

>>131077446
And yet the still pretend to be Turks.
It's tragic that most haven't seen past medieval-era propaganda.

>>131077339
>still hurr durring
Haven't i told you to fuck off, fatty?
>>131077291
No not actually. First wave of Turkish migration happened after 1071, when we defeated Greeks at Manzikert and quickly advanced into Anatolia

However, Crusaders and Greeks merged up and took most of Anatolia from Turks, trapping Turks inside Central Anatolia for centuries.


Second wave of Turk migration happened when Genghis Khan arrived, he massacred almost everyone and Turks escaped to Anatolia. Even Ottoman Family itself came from Khorasan and settled in Western Anatolia to avoid mongol genocide.
This second wave migration also helped Anatolian Turks to reconquer other parts of Anatolia from Greeks.

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>>131077676
>literally btfo your inbred fat kind in this thread
>still larp as Roman
>still being fat
what should i do with your subhuman kind?

>>131077676
Theyve gotten deluded in their bloodline since they were a fucking absurdly massive trade hub between the Eastern World and the Western one

>>131077696
Sorry my history on the Turks is a bit rusty

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>>131062932
>this is a museum in the Turkish city of Istanbul

>>131077696
>still no argument
Haven't I told you that you're a remarkably dense bitch? I'd hate to be your parents. It must hurt to have such a failure as a child.

>>131062932
Soon it will be a Christian Church in the Greek city of Constantinople.

>>131077805
>Sorry my history on the Turks is a bit rusty
nah it's okay as long as you're not like that fatty itt. he talks about things that he does not know.

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>>131077785
>he thinks he won the argument by running away
>Turkic logic
Holy shit you actually are one of the rare yurt-dwellers.

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>>131078104
fake quote made by a fedora tipper
t. history pro

>>131077952
Still waiting on an argument, fool.

>>131077171
why is it not finished?

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Reminder that Turks relied on luck in their entire history
>only won Manzikert because half of the Byzantine army deserted the battleand only conquered Anatolia because the empire was in turmoil
>managed to conquer the Byzantine Empire when it was already weakened by a civil war
>were saved by the Venetians at the last minute after getting BTFOd hard from Timur
>got humilated by Vlad the Impaler and only won after he was betrayed by the Hungarians
>after Europe realised that the Ottomans were getting to powerful than they should they banded together and destroyed them at Vienna and Lepanto which then began their decline
>got btfo by the Greeks in their war for independence that they had to call their vassal to do their dirty work
>were about to be obliterated by Russia once and for all until Britain and France stepped in
>were getting BTFO in the Greco-Turkish civil war until Venizelos was ousted and the Greek king took charge of the army

>>131078223
i posted genetics itt
don't take haplos so seriously, they don't explain a shit.

>>131062932
nice bait roach

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>>131078208
>doesn't know the intense dislike of religion his forefather had
Also, being a history pro isn't an accomplishment considering the direction Turkey is headed.

>>131078313
Your genetic map was a shit; I refuted it completely.
Haplos are a tool, and your callous disregard for them in all situations makes me wonder if you're some sort of Varg fanboy.

>>131078355
he is right though, even though based Ataturk hated religion, he never said those words.

>>131078460
>Your genetic map was a shit; I refuted it completely.
With what? retarded haplogroups?
Then explain what Uyghurs and Italians have in common >>131072853

>>131078537
Give proofs.

>>131078567
You relied on Yamnaya genes for determining steppe ancestry. You simply ignored my post, saying
>yeah yeah, get lost
Just how inbred are you?

>what do Italians have in common with Uyghurs
Some Italians have a patrilineal lineage originating in modern day Azerbaijan.
Some Uyghurs have a patrilineal lineage originating in modern day Azerbaijan.
Is this so difficult for you to comprehend?

>>131078815
you claimed that he said that. you have to prove it with a citation. I don't.

>>131078861
No, I relied on Eurogenes k15 results and the results said Turks (Western) are more related to North Caucasian Turkics (who happen to have same admixture as anatolian turks) than to Greeks or Armenians.
>Some Italians have a patrilineal lineage originating in modern day Azerbaijan.

That's not how haplogroups work. Study more.
You might have African haplogroup but your genetic admixture could be full of white european heritage. That's called genetic admixture. Haplogroups do not say anything about your ancestry, it tells you about your oldest male or female ancestors who lived centuries (20.000 or 40.000 ago) ago.
Also J2 didn't even originate in Azerbaijan.

>>131063139

Amen

>>131079435
What does that prove? That Anatolians are different from Greeks is not necessarily in dispute. The point is that you sure as hell aren't a steppe people.
The admixture in modern Anatolian populations is essentially consistent with a group whose original population was similar to that in Greece, but who were more heavily mixed with the Hittites—who were descended from the Yamnaya.

>>131079790
>That Anatolians are different from Greeks is not necessarily in dispute
They're related to Armenians and Caucasians actually.
>The admixture in modern Anatolian populations is essentially consistent with a group whose original population was similar to that in Greece, but who were more heavily mixed with the Hittites—who were descended from the Yamnaya.

If that were the case we would be close to Armenians or Caucasians. Yet we're close to Northern Caucasian Turkics who happen to be Central Asian influenced West Asians, very close to Turks after Azeris.

>>131066713

If you need ovens...

>>131069289
It isn't exactly tourism when the people "visiting" are simply bringing their EU gibs back to the wives they left behind.

>>131079435
With regard to haplogroups, we are talking about patrilineal Y-DNA haplogroups. This is important because the narrative is: Turkish conquerors came in to Anatolia, slaughtering or cucking the native men and raping the native women. If this were the case, then that would be shown in Anatolian Y-DNA haplogroups which are more or less identical to Central Asian—more specifically nomadic Turkic—haplogroups. In reality, however, this is true for only a small (single digit) percentage of the population.
Unless you want to say that the country is Turkish because Turkic women cucked their conquering husbands with the conquered locals (an unlikely scenario to say the least), then you must admit that most of the modern Anatolian population is native to Anatolia.

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>>131080360
>With regard to haplogroups, we are talking about patrilineal Y-DNA haplogroups. This is important because the narrative is: Turkish conquerors came in to Anatolia, slaughtering or cucking the native men and raping the native women. If this were the case, then that would be shown in Anatolian Y-DNA haplogroups which are more or less identical to Central Asian—more specifically nomadic Turkic—haplogroups. In reality, however, this is true for only a small (single digit) percentage of the population.


*retardoid screeching*

If that's the case then we have more J2 than Greeks and Armenians, a non-turkic haplogroup that's common in C. Asia. Other non turkic haplogroups such as R1b and R1a are also common in Central Asia. According to your retarded haplogroups, only Kazakhs are Turkic.
>Unless you want to say that the country is Turkish because Turkic women cucked their conquering husbands with the conquered locals (an unlikely scenario to say the least), then you must admit that most of the modern Anatolian population is native to Anatolia.
cringe
modern turks are a mix of seljuks and whoever lived in anatolia. it's a well known fact. some nomadic turks in Anatolia are more or less same as modern turks.

Now tell me, why are you insisting on being stupid? tell me. Do you have any K*rdish heritage? Maybe that's why you're dumb. or just a regular american. americans are also idiotic.

>>131080018
See >>131074065 pic related
The only real difference between modern Turks and modern Greeks is the prevalence in the Greeks of a higher proportion of Western Europe hunter-gatherer genes, compared to your slightly higher East Asian/Siberian/Hindu Kush genes. Neither Aydin nor Balikesir provides a reference for Azerbaijani Turks.
Like I said, your genes look a lot like you came from the same base populations, but Anatolians have a slightly higher Asian admixture—most probably as a result of the Persian and Hellenic Empires, which are the only explanation for the higher Hindu Kush genes. Indeed, this historical period could also explain the East Asian and Siberian genes—much better than Turkic conquest can.

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>>131081156
So
Before Turks came to Anatolia, Byzantines were genetically close to Nogais, Kumyks and Balkars?

Tell me more.

>>131075437
Yes.

>>131078278
It was at one point. But barbarians couldn't maintain it and it collapsed over time.
Same with the Hagia Sophia. We'll never get the roach stench out of it.

>>131081050
Your first response is a complete red herring/tangent, and is fallacious. In fact, your only direct response to my point was another fallacy
>*retardoid screeching*

Do you not agree that the conquest/rape narrative is the generally accepted one?
Do you not agree that this narrative would produce a modern Anatolian haplogroup makeup essentially identical in its proportions to those in Central Asia? Those are my questions for you. Your argument hinges on the answer.
Because in reality, Turkey's haplogroups look far from identical to *any* country from the Caucasus or Central Asia.

>>131081633
Are you even capable of reading your own graph? Look at the top portion and comprehend it yourself!
Don't the Persian Empire and Alexander's successor states explain how Anatolians came to hold Hindu Kush and Far East genes? As for the fact that the average Anatolian appears genetically similar to North Caucasians, I can repeat that a small percentage of your population bears mostly Turkic genes dating from those conquests. Of course that makes a difference. Indeed, when much of the Anatolian genetic material was similar to that anyway, it's hardly surprising.

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>>131082011
>Still talking about haplogroups after proving them useless in detecting genetic heritage even though "non-turkic" haplos such as J1/2, R1a, R1b are more common than "Turkic" haplos such as Q C etc
isn't there an IQ limit to post on this fucking board? there should be

also how can a person talk so authoritatively about a subject that he does not know, if it weren't for this thread you'd still assume that J2 originated in Azerbaijan and spread from there.
>>131082605
>As for the fact that the average Anatolian appears genetically similar to North Caucasians
Wrong.
Seriously just fuck off and read more about genetics. Your ignorance might kill someone here.

>>131083025
I was literally paraphrasing what you said.
Thanks for mocking yourself. I suppose you might even disagree with me and call me a subhuman if I simply reposted your shit.

>>131083025
Are these Eurogenes results your own? Please explain their source, because they mean nothing in a vacuum.

>>131077235
You come from western mongolia. Those areas were populated by aryan saka people until around the migration period.

>>131083737
No those are not mine.
>>131083367
What you're saying is that we 're pure anatolian that got our asian genes from Greeks (LOL) and Persians (LOL) then da turks came and magically managed to make everyone speak turkish (which is a retarded hypothesis)
What I'm saying is Turkey is an Oghuz country and average Turk has 25% to 50% (more or less) Turkmen heritage. other half could be anything. as shown in the pics that i posted (except for the last one, fuck trabzon)

Now why don't you fuck off and try to convince subhumans self haters that they're actually hellen?

>>131084103
Then whose are they?
Also, trade routes, moron. Everybody knows rich Indians and East Asians got mad Anatolian pussy.

>>131066270
I lived there for 6 months :)

>>131084086
You're kind of right. But wrong at the same time.
Yes ancient Oghuz Turks used to live near Altai mountains and Western Mongolia, then they migrated to Central Asia and Turkmenistan/Khorasan afterwards. Then most of them migrated to Azerbaijan/Turkey
>>131084710
>Then whose are they?
googled turk from trabzon eurogenes k15
literally everyone makes fun of people from there. they're either called rum dönmesi or laz.
>Also, trade routes, moron. Everybody knows rich Indians and East Asians got mad Anatolian pussy.
retarded hypothesis as i mentioned before,
read more. don't worry i also used to think we wuz grekz and shit (even though i have slanted eyes, what the hell was i thinking) then reading enlightened me.

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>200 replies
works every damn time

>>131085038
tiradın yarısını eğitimsizi eğitmekle geçirdik ama ;_;
ayasofyalı tirad açayım ben de

>>131085038
yeni yem tiradı
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