why aren't you a radical centrist yet /pol/?

Why haven't you killed yourself yet, OP?

>>131045911

I'm not a faggot

In 40 years Sargon will look like Santa Claus. I could make up a joke about the North /pol/ but I'm too tired.

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most ppl on here won't admit on here that they are
too busy /pol/virtue signalling about how they are the biggest nazi of all

if you won't go out and kill minorities
then stfu
you are just larping as a nazi

radical centrists
having principals
but willing to change based on actual facts

>>131045911
Sargon is a classical liberal how do you not know thaT ??

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>>131045911
>Radical
>Centrist
Lel

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>>131047292
radical centrism is the ultimate redpill

>>131047062
You might be fooled by speakers who call themselves "classical" liberals or refer to modern liberals as the "regressive left" in order to distance themselves from the obvious nutjob SJW crowd, but the 18th century liberalism that is called "classical" is responsible for the world's current mess. Classical liberals are libertarians and libertarians are scum.

>>131045911
I figured people would eventually play into the centrist meme.

>>131047404
He doesn't even believe in the free market, so he isn't a classical liberal. He's just a centrist faggot

>>131047563
If you stay a polarized partisan pleb your whole life then you're pretty worthless. Centrists are people who think for themselves with objective perspective rather than with team colors.

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>>131045911
I really liked him in that movie with Bruce Willis.

>>131045911
I am, because I'm not retarded
110 IQ masterrace here

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>>131045911
yeah and raise somebody else's child? no thanks

>>131045911
Isn't this guy a literal cuck? He even has a wife's son.

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>>131048453
>2017
>not being a cuck

It's like you people enjoy being obsolete

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>>131048349
>You can only be an ideological extremest because otherwise I won't respect you

Your respects is worthless and unwanted.

>>131047776
This, he's not a libertarian. He's a moderate Gaylord too pussy to take any Hardline positions.

>>131045911
I'm already one

>>131048825
>ideological extremest
how will you deal with the islamic problem then retard talk them into leaving?
how will you solve the rampant nigger crime then?
exstreme solutions requere exstreme mesuires.
idk muh horshoe thaory.
so libretarians want to legalize incest and zoophilia what do muslems practice? incest and zoophilia so that means there the same acording to muh horshoe thaory.

>>131045911
I'm a tax paying Libretarian or Rational Neo-Con in other words so i don't care.

>>131049350
Not wanting to be killed is not an extremist position dumbass.

>>131049350
>how will you deal with the islamic problem then retard talk them into leaving?
An Islamic Reformation idiot
>how will you solve the rampant nigger crime then?
Education
>exstreme solutions requere exstreme mesuires.
They literally do not.

>>131045911
Why be on the left or center when you can be RIGHT

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>>131045911
Centrism is a simple strategy for defeating the Hegalian dialect and avoiding the baggage that goes with picking a side.
It also allows recruitment from both sides of the divide, people rarely or slowly move from side to side.
It allows the debate of everything where as both the left and right have fixed ideas therefore no dynamism

I'd suggest

Liberal Christian Alliance

Not because I'm a Christian either, though I might describe myself as a cultural christian.
It's the dominant culture responsibe for the modern western world so it makes sense not to try to chuck it overboard

Being a liberal alliance also means accepting people of other faiths who are willing to embrace the ideals of the centrist, even atheists

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>>131045911

>Claim to be a centrist
>Supports socialism

Wow, really bakes the beans.

I was a pussy centrist for most of my teenage and early university years.

I realized that centrists are easy fodder for the leftward march. Centrists have no ground to stand on when the left comes knocking with more demands.

I'm now a paleocon

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>>131045911
Your opinions can change over time. I consider myself a "centrist" because I lean left on certain issues but right on others, not because I have moderate viewpoints on literally everything. That'd just be stupid. I legit used to be smack dab in the center.

>>131050944
It's a strategy, you don't have to be your strategy.

>>131049582
>An Islamic Reformation idiot
he actualy think he can do this without starting a super jihad are you realy that retarded?.
>Education
the education can solve everything meme.
>They literally do not.
it does you moron the building of the wall to mexico the merciless deportation of illigals and the kicking out of islam.

>>131049582
>Islamic Reformation idiot
good luck with that , beacuse is the arabs who are the problem not the religion

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>>131051713
cry more retard

>>131045911
Because I don't want to look like a fat Jonathan Frakes.

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>>131049582
>Education

education will somehow change their degenarate culture education will somehow solve the complete destruction of the nuclear family education will SOMEHOW cure and reverse the giant drug abuse that goes on in the nigger community.

>>131051902
he uses an ad hominem becuase he cant counter my arguments.

>>131050444
By declaring as a centrist, you can say

We are willing to debate all ideas, we are willing to take the best ideas from the left or the right.

Then you can have the argument and win it, by adopting a position that is fixed discourse is inhibited and polarization is inevitable.
This is what the left are guilty of, absolutism, narrow mindedness and childish rhetoric.
We can beat them easy from the centre

>>131045911
he's a fascist tho

>>131052098
He's not. He's a "social liberal"

stop being jewd into saying

I am this or I am that

Fight each issue on it's own merits and don't allow yourself to be put in a box

>>131045911
(((Critic)))

>>131052049
How's that debating with the muzzies working out for you on Cuck Island?

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>>131052045
>degenarate culture
>complete destruction of the nuclear family >giant drug abuse that goes on

Literally nothing wrong with any of this

>>131052219
The Isle of Cuckoldry is quite a small box you have put yourself in.

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>>131052153
he is a ((((classical liberal))))

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>>131045911
Sargon and all the "le radical centrist skeptics" need to be fucking gassed. The only thing these people are able to do is string up SJWs, who are the absolute lowest hanging fruit.

They don't even have any real conviction of anything. They take a stance of permanent centrism and impartiality because "muh horseshoe theory" and because actually holding a belief would open themselves up to criticism in any form.

Their entire thought process can be boiled down to "we're okay with the destruction of society so long as you do it quietly. " For example, the skeptic faggots are absolutely okay with anti-white and other cultural marxist policies, so long as they don't overtly scream "fuck white people" while implementing these policies.

>>131052378
>Literally nothing wrong with any of this

so the single moms arent a problem the abuse that these hildren will suffer trough isnt a problem?
https://newsone.com/1195075/children-single-parents-u-s-american/
so the dialy voilence in there community's arent isnt a problem?

so the dialy drug abuse and gang wars arent a problem?
are you trying to shitpost?

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>>131052492
>imagine being such a massive cuck you care about anyone other than yourself lmao

>>131052331
Look
I see Islam as a totalitarian ideology, it's a problem

As liberal christian centrists we can allow muslims to join but they must agree with our core principles. This way wee avoid the bigot pardigm.
It will mean that muslims would have to address the core issues or reveal themselves as the zealots they often are

and remember, this is a strategy, no stategy is perfect, it's a means to an end

>>131045911

Oh look it's older boxxy

>>131052663
>collectivistic jargon

why should I care? why should anyone?

You've been memed my friend, they're all falalcies

>>131045911
because I'm not a massive pussy?

Because to adhere to a single principle, ideology or idea is to be a slave to it. To be "principled" is to perceive only part of a thing from a single, narrow vantage point, never examining it completely. To truly claim knowledge of a thing, one needs to observe it from many different vantage points and be able to contrast them while not adhering to a single one. No single principle has all the answers and to restrict oneself to just one is to narrow one's horizons rather than to broaden them. This is the final red pill.

>>131052679
>you should not take care of the society youre derectly benifiting from.

then remove youre healcare dont pay taxes and live in the wild to be truly independent my ancap friend.

>>131052769
have you ever lived in a ghetto before have you ever seen drug violence before?
it destroys society.

why should I care? why should anyone?
if youre ancestors said that too we would still be living in caves and you would not get the chance to shitpost.

>>131045911
Because it's the biggest political meme that got out there in the last 12 months, say.
It's not even a political position other than saying we're not what the other (two?) positions are.
I'd rather know what decisions are supported by someone than him saying >whatever the others don't support.

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>>131052492
>How many strawmen can I set up and knock down in a single post: the post

You are posting in a bait thread you retards. Sage goes in all fields

>>131045911

Because centrists believe in nothing, and are willing to lie to the public because they believe in nothing.

They are the primary reason why we got to this place in time.

>>131052811
exactly
It represents the divide and rule principle, it defines the parameters of the argument, it is a jewish trick

This is why all totalitarian ideologies lack creativity, where is the great art coming from, muslims, post modernists, communists etc etc
you see it in films, books, everything, it's creatively bankrupt

If there is no truth then ther is no art

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left right left right left right

>>131045911
All politics is corrupt shit for the elite

Divide and conquer via politics is a tool used by the elite to make us believe we have a stake in the game.

The reality is that no matter how you lean, you still just a puppet and will never benefit from their decisions if you are not part of their click directly

>>131052811
Centrism is exactly the opposite of "adhering to a single principle, ideology or idea". Being a centrist means starting from "no opinion" and critically thinking about the given issue until you come to a conclusion that settles well in your mind. Not "I'm a conservative therefore I am against abortion" or "I'm a Liberal so I support gay rights".

>>131045911
This guy is by no means a centrist.He pretends to be one.

>>131053166
ad hominem

and wrong. We all know why we are where we are and it's not centrists and as I have said before

I'ts a strategy not an ideology

There is no clearly defined belief in the centre so no, the people of the centre believe in different thing because it's not a cult

untruths must always be exposed

>>131053355
if you have no political idioligy what valeu's do you have what do you stand for?
even the radical centrist have an idioligy as the stand for certain things that can be diveded and conqeured.

theres no such thing as a indifrent person.

>>131053431
There's no such thing as centrism. Politics are relative. What is considered "centrist" varies wildly depending on time and place. All "centrism" means is upholding the status quo.

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>>131052942

SPOOKY

>you should not take care of the society youre derectly benifiting from.

correct

>then remove youre healcare dont pay taxes and live in the wild to be truly independent my ancap friend.

If it were up to me it would all be on a voluntary basis so

>have you ever lived in a ghetto before have you ever seen drug violence before?
it destroys society.
Again, collectivist fallacy.
It doesn't destroy ME so I don't care

>why should I care? why should anyone?
if youre ancestors said that too we would still be living in caves and you would not get the chance to shitpost.

Baseless assumption, moreover even if true it doesn't translate to a moral obligation for me to do the same

>>131053431
Centrism is exactly about adhering to an ideology. This is why Carl Benjamin and those like him refuse to acknowledge truths that both the radical right and left offer for the simple reason that they're proposed by the radical left and right respectively. Centrism is a fear of the left and the right and an appeal to moderate non-opinions, nothing more.

>>131051893
>arabs are the problem not the religion.
It's both. Religion that says them to conquer the world and their nigger-tier behaviour.
>>131049582
We must not reform islam. We need to subvert it.

>>131053431
>critically thinking about the given issue

so thats why most radical centrists ignore the abhorently high hiv rates in the faggot community and ironically use the not all argument?
thats why the believe in evolution but denie that race and genetics has any effect on the person?
radical centrists are just as irrational the just dont want to admit it as the often only go for low hanging fruit like sjw's instead of tackling and debunking bullshit.

>>131053751
>Carl Benjamin
who?

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Sargon needs to build an alternate system. Just destroying SJW ideas is not enough.

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tl;dr
CENTRISM IN A NUTSHELL:

>muh gay sex
>muh recreational drugs
>muh vidya
>muh low taxation
>muh food

WTF cares about the rest? You only exist for a limited amount of time like lmao doods grow tf up

>>131053862
> Religion that says them to conquer the world and their nigger-tier behaviour.
they created islam , if their religion is telling them to conquer the world is beacuse they want to conquer the world ,

>>131053751
>Centrism is a fear of the left and the right and an appeal to moderate non-opinions, nothing more.
Exactly. It's just holding up the status quo no matter what.

>>131053605
Not indifference but rather small communities that act for the few people that have a voice.

Left/right/center politics causes a divide along unatural lines.

In a community, each voice is heard and a more organic politics evolve that serve the greater benefit of a small number of people = more aligned with the needs for small communities to progress and benefit from.

The larger a political ideal, the more the needs of a given people becomes diluted and not taken into consideration...You lose valuable micro progress and strive to create a more homogeneous (inbreeding style) politics that help only the elite and their chaps

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>>131053868
>Centrists all believe X because I said so!!

>>131047378
Why?

>>131053872
The guy in OP's pic.

>>131053748
>It doesn't destroy ME so I don't care

say that the next time you get shot by a gangbanging thug.
and when youre brother dies of an overdose of illigal drugs.

>It doesn't destroy ME so I don't care
if you dont care and dont care to contrabute to society and help your fellow man why dont you go and live somwhere where law doesnt exist or create youre own land?

why do you then care about islam.? as inplied by youre post?
>>131049582

why do you even care to debate people on the internet if nothing matters?

>>131053946
>WTF cares about the rest? You only exist for a limited amount of time like lmao doods grow tf up

if everybody tought like you there would be no.
>computers
>architecture
>civilasation
>basic medicene witch you benifit from.
you need to grow up my ancap friend the world doesnt revolve around you and you only.

>>131053946
>ancap meme

kys

>>131053960
>>131051893
>>131053862

You guys need to stop treating culture and race as two separate things. Culture is a manifestation of race. For example, american niggers and niggers in africa have wildly different cultures, and yet they are both cultures that venerate thuggery and violence while looking down on anyone who tries to be successful and smart. Why? Because niggers are naturally predisposed to violence and tearing down each other.

Same with islam and arabs. Islam is a violent death cult religion. But the reason why this violent religion developed is because the people who created the religion are violent. It formed within the context of a violent sand people. You can only "reform islam" in the sense that other races that have adopted islam can reform it. For example, the bosniaks and kazakhs who are technically muslim but aren't anywhere near as violent as the arabs. But you CANNOT reform the arabs who practice islam, because their penchant for violence and jihad is intrinsic. The religion is just a manifestation of this.

>>131053751

No

As a member of the LCA

I support state involvement in infrastructure but liberal capitalism with everything else.
I also support the examination of private banks issuing national currency. It seems to me the current situation is far too opaque and the public desve to know the truth about how money is created

I am open to all ideas about how we conduct the business of society

You see how we open the field of debate unlike the leftards and rightards who are reduced to attacking each other

>>131054047
>Centrists
so you dont believe in the non agresion pact?
almost every single radical centrist i ever talked to and watched believed in these things and had clear motivations.

>>131045911
Because that's the already prevailing dogma that I don't like

>>131045911
Some extremists say 2+2 is 4.
Some extremists say 2+2 is 6.
Centrists know that 2+2 is 5.

>>131054014
you forget that humans are inherently tribalistic and have clear goals and motivations and will follow those who promice them that its just the way "democracy" works.

>>131054509
keep making the same error

It's not an ideology
It's a strategy

>>131054323
>ame with islam and arabs. Islam is a violent death cult religion. But the reason why this violent religion developed is because the people who created the religion are violent.
i agree , this is what i wanted to say

>>131054616
No one cares about this bullshit centrist sophistry. An "eternal devil's advocate" is useless.

>>131054716
I don't care about my hammer, I use it to bang in nails

>>131054323
>Islam is a violent death cult religion.

i wonder why?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup, was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favour of strengthening the monarchical rule of Mohammad Reza.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar
you pretty much gave them political immunity as youre economy now relies on it
also not to forget the arming of jihadis like bin laden to ""fight the soviets""
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan
you kindof created youre own enemy there burger.
.

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>>131054716
>don't disagree with me, it's useless

>>131051713
>he actualy think he can do this without starting a super jihad are you realy that retarded?
Those will be terrorists and they will die.
Islam gets reformed so it stops producing terrorist.

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>>131045911
Why am Star Trek characters politicking?

Also fpbp
>>131046370

>>131054856
as i said here how can you stop if youre goverment wont stop snooping around in the middle east and arming terrorists?
>>131054832

islam and the middle east shoulde have been left alone to develop but sombody just had to provoke the beast huh?

i will give them this tho the soviets also had a large part in it.

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>tfw centrist libertarian

Odin's paradise is lonely, brothers.

>>131054595
Interesting story

When I was studying in the US and Canada, I made friends with a native fellow from a Mohawk tribe. Even on the Canadian side, the houses all had American flags....I was puzzled.

My friend explained that Mohawks in Ontario, Quebec and New York state fly the American flag because American democracy was based on the Mohawk way of rule.

Each small tribe had a leader. Each leader was representing only his tribe and all would meet to take decisions as a people. The round table of chiefs was presided over by the eldest females of every tribe, a supreme court system.

Even the first Jesuits that lived amongst the natives were impressed how sophisticated their political system truly was.

This system had functioned for 10,000 years and they were still striving.

Same thing as the natives in Brazil. Although they are very different people, the natives of the Amazon still exist, have been going on for 10,000+ years even without the <help> of outsiders.

Something must be right with the tribal system for having survived longer than any other system of politics

>>131052219

whatever it takes to arrest the (((progress))) that is being made against decency

>>131054845
> youre just giong to smugly proclaime everybody is an idiot if there not "englightened" centrist like you.

how about we both debate this?

>>131055202
and how many people did that tribe have?

you do know that if you scale the number up to what it is today that wont work anymore?
as back then the did not have to deal with things like climate change and socialism.

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>>131055247
I'm just not replying to you anymore because you're not worth my time.

>all centrists believe this thing

Why waste my time replying to you? Pls don't reply to me anymore. I'm smug because I'm better than you.

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>>131055202
>WE

>>131047404

Jared Taylor is a classical liberal and everyone fucking loves him. Classical liberalism is implicitly HuWhite

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>>131055453
reminder that anything except atomized individualism is just a meme for brainlets

>>131055453


read my post.
>>131055247
it says
how about we both debate this?

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>>131055453
See, this is EXACTLY what I was referring to here: >>131052492
"Centrists" staunchly refuse to actually have any opinions. All they do is criticize everyone else without offering anything of their own. They do this on purpose, because god forbid they actually have to defend any possible views they might have.

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You idiots don't seem to realize, extreme right (fascism) and extreme left (communism) don't work. They ALWAYS fail, as history shows. You all keep falling for the memes.

We need a pragmatic way of governing that represents everyone and benefits society and individuals, with an emphasis on freedom and individualism.

That is why I am a centrist libertarian (inb4 lefties start calling me a racist and alt righters calling me a cuck because neither side has any arguments)

>>131055575
>I say being a Centrist means critically thinking about any given issue
>You say no that's wrong, all Centrists believe things that I say they believe

What is there to debate? You're wrong.

>>131047986
>filename
fucking kek

>>131055661
What issue or argument are we debating?

>>131055545
if everybody is serving his own intrests there can be no society bud it would be a contest of backstabbing.

sometimes you have to do things for the betterment for everybody and youre community.
thats why things like empathy and generosity exist.

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>>131046761
thats the gayest poem I've ever read
congratz

>>131055669
When has fascism failed?
>muh WW2
That wasn't a failure of the fascism. Germany and Italy were actually doing quite well under fascism. So did Spain, and Franco was in power there until like 1973 IIRC. Losing just losing a war does not mean that the system of government or ideology was a failure. It's like saying capitalism fails compared to communism because the chinese communists won the civil war. That has nothing to do with the actual system itself.

>>131055669
>because neither side has any arguments

have you ever spoken to one who wants to debate instead of just smugly proclaiming heh youre all faggots?

infact ill debate you come on.

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>>131055906
>Germany and Italy were actually doing quite well under fascism. So did Spain

>no gay porn
>no loli porn
>no iphone
>no computers
>no gay marriage
>no diversity
>no amazon
>no HRT

>"doing well"


my sides

>>131055445
The biggest Mohawk tribe in the St Lawrence region numbered around 1 million (according to the math of a jesuit by counting the size of the longhouses that would house a number of families per meters in length)

Climate change has been going on and will continue to happen as long as the sun increases and decreases its output.

The sun and its radiation is the only true regulator of the system. it is the very source of heat that sets climate on our planet.

Consider this fact: during the age of the dinosaurs, ash clouds kept the solar radiation at bay for decades. The levels of methane and Co2 were off the charts. As solar radiation was deminished, the planet went COLD, not hot.

Therefore: as the sun is at a minimum at the moment, the level of Co2 becomes meaningless.

Even NASA admitted that the levels of ice are increasing, which brings creedance to the idea that the planet is entering a cooling phase.

If you look at all the predictions of the climate change pseudo, politically driven science (money only goes to prove global warming, not global cooling) they have been wrong

No more snow storms by 2012 (false)
Ice free north pole by 2014 (false)

Their model is WRONG....scrap the hypothesis and start again...that is the true nature of the scientific method when not driven by politics

>>131055017
>provoke the beast
The only times islam didn't try to actively expand, were when it was too weak or fractured to do so. It doesn't need provoking, it's in their culture, or (if you want to believe that) their blood.

Because I don't want to be the first killed in war.

>>131055669
>We need a pragmatic way of governing that represents everyone and benefits society and individuals, with an emphasis on freedom and individualism.

what kind of fantasy world do you live in mate?
>represents everyone you cant represent everybody as everbody has self intrests.

as history shows.
the greek empire also collapsed and so did the roman one.

meanwhile things like monarchy witch isnt (facism) have survived and trived for a very long thime.

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>>131055669
do you have any evidence that liberal society can work beacuse our society is already starting to fail
and it only has been a thing for 100 years

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>>131045911
that guy looks like a gay as fuck version of my dad

>>131056110
>>no gay porn
>>no loli porn
>>no iphone
>>no computers
>>no gay marriage
>>no diversity
>>no amazon
>>no HRT
>>"doing well"


what does that have to do with diong well?
there economy was stable untill the late war the had a family unit that was stable and the partaily recovered from the biggest economic decline in history the great deprresion after ww1.

>no iphone
>no computers
time period 1940.
anon are you special?

>>131056110
shite bait, but at least it's making fun of american snowflakes in denial

>>131048349
> Mistaking moderates for centrists.

Moderates think compromise is always the way forward, centrists refuse to enter any ideology and just pick what seems best for them and the people they care about. For example, I'm a centrist and deeply nationalist.

>>131046761
Get your buttplug about and pass it to your wife's bull.

>>131055669
every democracy eventualy kills itself as the corruption piles on. as
Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826) once said
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.

something like democracy is very fragile to big changes.

>>131055669
Well done anon, every form of state in history has failed. Why should thus obviously give up on the concepts of states in general.

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>>131045911

Why havent you killed yourself yet? I imagine it will be a lot better than how whites will treat you after youve promoted white genocide so much.

>>131056525
That's just sophistry and semantics. I could easily say "I refuse to enter any specific ideology, and just pick what's best for the people I care about. I care about white people, so I'm a national socialist and want to kick all shitskins and jews out of my country. I'm a centrist and deeply natsoc"

And the word you're looking for is "pragmatist" which is NOT what these "radical centrists" are. That's a completely different dichotomy referring to people who just want wants best for them/their people vs people who stick to some idea as an absolute axiom (ex, the NAP for ancaps).

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>>131045911
I've chosen my side, which is that of my own people. My own people are my greatest possession. For these people, and for the sake of these people, I will struggle and I will fight, and never weaken, and never tire, and never despair.

>>131048349
Sieg heil!

Non of the old paradigms are valid anymore, the world has changed too much.

There has never been a time in history where so many people have access to so much information

no more jewish tricks, we must start a new and to do that we have to escape the parameters that have been demarcated by our (((masters)))

we can't break down the walls without massive conflict as we attack each other in our efforts to be free

We must tunnel down, from the centre with as many as we can muster, we must escape the prison that has been built for the spirit of the man

>>131056696
The only way of politics that strived and never failed is tribal rule.

In Afghanistan...even american corruption could not result in total victory and the installment of a puppet gov

In Brazil and the amazon basin, you still have tribes following a system that has survived and still exists after 10,000 years

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>>131056831
>Everything I don't like is sophistry!!

Did you just learn that word yesterday and want to sound smart or what?

>>131056992
>Implying those tribes are still adhering to the exact same "laws/ethics" as thousand-twothousand years ago. Change can be slow, and it can happen without you realizing.

>>131056992
irrelevant

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>>131056992
the thing is modern democracy is piled on with corruption and it always fails as it gos ever more stagnant.

how do you solve this problem?
political purges to root out corruption?
not even to mention democracy is only as good as the eduction surounding most people have information widely avialeble to them but still dont know anything about politics or there respective parties.

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>>131057078
You have yet to make a single argument in this thread. I know that's really hard for you centrist types to actually do, because you've been trained to only criticize and never offer anything of your own, but I implore you to at least try.

>>131057078
>sophistry

sophistry
1. Plausible but fallacious argumentation.
2. A plausible but misleading or fallacious argument.
a. a method of argument that is seemingly plausible though actually invalid and misleading
b. the art of using such arguments
2. subtle but unsound or fallacious reasoning
3. an instance of this; sophism

>>131045911
this guy looks like my brother in law

>>131052492
Great post, cucks got triggered by it.

It's also truth.

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>>131056525
This
Choose values to hold but don't pin yourself to an ideology (also i too am a Centrist and deeply nationalistic)

>>131057100
Unless you consider the tribes of the amazon, some have never been in contact with the external world and still exist today.
They have not had contact with the outside world and still maintain the exact system that was set into play 10,000 years ago.

Tribal wars do exist, but they are solved by a greater tribal rule that encompasses the elders of all given tribes

Indigenous tribes have no need for money or greater territory that is needed to supply food and medicine their people require

Even after colonialism and the slave trade. some peoples have been so isolated that their system is not corrupt of influenced.

Something has to be learned and will ultimately need to be studied for the human race to survive when corruption and the need to acquire resources for a small group of people will end in the extermination of so called civilized societies

To imagine that monarchies and so called democratic societies will stop when they have had enough is a pipe dream. Their inbreeding and resulting psychosis holds no limits or rational conclusion

>>131057100
>Implying those tribes are still adhering to the exact same "laws/ethics" as thousand-twothousand years ago.

Pretty much, yeah. Obviously globalization means there are no uncontacted people anymore who still live isolated from the world population, but tribal and ethnic ties are stronger than the nation-state in areas of many developing countries

>>131057198
IMO the issue with modern democracy is
1) universal suffrage
2) mass media.

The problem with universal suffrage is obvious. We have tons of women and shitskins who vote for gibs, whereas the white man is the only one who actually votes for the good of the nation. IMO it'd be great if we limited suffrage to married white men with children. They're the only people I trust to have a say in this.

Even then, democracy seems to have worked well until the 20th century, with the adoption of TV and radio. It allowed a (((centralized group))) who controls these methods of communication to deliver one-way propaganda to the masses. He who controls the mass media controls the flow of information, and is able to mold the minds of the people who vote. He he controls the mass media therefore controls the government. Luckily now we have social media, which allows communication back-and-forth rather than only one-way, and it's given rise to non-kosher thought starting to take over.

>>131057121
how so? I would like to hear your opinion so we may have a discussion on this relevant topic

>>131057339
There is no argument taking place here. Just people saying

>Centrists are X and hold Y opinions lol
>they aren't, and don't

Your first post in the thread is a total non-argument in of itself, the entire thing is 1 big strawman. Very ironic, mr. sophistry stilted speech fucker.

>>131055661
I think I am relatively centrist, what are we discussing?

>>131057395
That's because it's not radical centrism but it's someting ain't it because let's face it, it's not going well is it?

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>>131057725
Still no arguments. Prove me wrong by actually uttering anything you believe in. Your continued insistence on not actually offering anything is proving my point. You can scream I'm making a strawman all you want. But your actions are proving my "strawman" correct.

What
Do
You
Believe
In?

>>131057662
>universal suffrage

exactly socialism is a cancer as it allows idiots to make mistakes and get everybody else to foot the bill for it like smokers and as you mentioned niggers with welfare it devides family's.

>mass media.
agian i agree people these days cant think for themselfes even with all the information widely avialeble to them there should be a political awereness test to keep the politically illitrate from voting.

>>131057198

Correct

After greed and eliteism all we have left is for the voiceless to come back into power and pick up the pieces; For us to come back to the basic needs of society and small groups: Food, shelter and security and a right to use our minds to create and made our lives better for the benefit of all. not just a minority

Right now the political climate and agenda is focused on the very few. the ones who control us for their benefit

Same way that politics is now preoccupied with benefiting transsexuals rather than the majority

>>131057910
he wont anwser as he stands for nothing.

>Centrists are X and hold Y opinions lol
even centrist have common beliefs like the nap and freedom of speech.

>>131058086
Exactly, which is why I find this so hilarious.

I start off saying "le radical centrists" are trash because they refuse to believe in anything
He comes back saying "lol no that's an incorrect strawman"... while simultaneously proving me right by not actually stating anything he believes in.

Because things are really bad for us rational, moral human beings at the moment and look to be ever more rapidly getting worse, we really need to take advantage of anything that may help

Or we can have the same old arguments that have been raging forever and thrash about like fish in a semitic barrel waiting for the bullet with our name on it

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>>131057910
>Their entire thought process can be boiled down to "we're okay with the destruction of society so long as you do it quietly. "

>not a strawman

>absolutely okay with anti-white and other cultural marxist policies, so long as they don't overtly scream "fuck white people" while implementing these policies.

>not a strawman

>>131058086
Centrists would be the biggest enemy of western civilization after the day of the rope.
They would turn into mega cucks diversity fags in a week.

>>131058352
>>Their entire thought process can be boiled down to "we're okay with the destruction of society so long as you do it quietly. "
I unironically believe this

As long as *I* am not affected it's fine with me
I find the autistic screeching from both extremist sides to be much more annoying than anything else

>>131058352
Your continued insistence on not actually offering anything is proving my point. You can scream I'm making a strawman all you want. But your actions are proving my "strawman" correct.

What
Do
You
Believe
In?

>>131057987
i agree we need something like what the original founding fathers intended freedom of speech and protection from voilence and the removal of cancers like marxists and postmodernists.

no socialism to breed failure too.
the rest is up to the person to decide.
just removing the welfare state already makes people think twice about theire decisions in life and the welbeing of there fellow man.

theres only one problem with this is that we need to prevent busssneses from becoming the new polical manipulators as the have their own motivation namely max profit.

>>131058451
>As long as *I* am not affected it's fine with me

Have you tried visiting a therapist? You sound like a textbook psychopath. Any history of bedwetting, fire starting?

>>131055669
>way of governing that represents everyone
That's called a utopia. People have different interests and those interests will inevitably conflict each other.
>extreme right (fascism)
Fascism (at least historically) is not really a right wing ideology.
It's actually kinda centrist. It takes ideas from both left (workers rights, some kinds of welfare) and right (protection of culture, pride in the nation, etc.).

>>131052098
No, he's not, he's a liberal kike faggot.

>>131058599
That's the most hilarious thing about all this. True "radical centrism" is unironically fascism. the third way.

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>shits on anything left wing for a career
>shills for reactionaries
>but guys I'm really liberal leftist
>what you mean I'm not? Locke would disagree 300 years ago xddd

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>>131058593
KEK another collectivistcuck
larping as a centrist

kys

Centrism

strategy not ideology

how many more times do I have to fucking say it, stop arguing about stuff and try to stop the reign of terror that is looming

left/right
hegalian dialect
thesis + antithesis = synthesis
order out of chaos
divide and rule

>>131046410
Beat me to it

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>>131058086
centrists are people who hold contradictory beliefs for the sake of not destabilizing society.
People have rights, until they refuse to serve a gay man or hire a black employee.
You cannot say that you respect people's freedom of speech, association, and property rights,
and then demand that the government forces people to hire more niggers.

When you are honest with yourself about your true beliefs, you drift more towards the outer edges.
You only believe in centrism because you do not want chaotic change.

>>131058451
>As long as *I* am not affected it's fine with me
>I find the autistic screeching from both extremist sides to be much more annoying than anything else.

so is ancap not exstremist.?

so i put clear evidence that these things destroy society like drug violence and the welfare state yet you keep denieing them.

if you want to live in a mad max style anarchist hellhole do it by all means but do it mate.
>collectivistcuck
please tell me "englightened" intelectial whats wrong with collectivism?

>>131045911
Why the fuck do dumbass posts like this get replies but when I post articles they dont. I'm not an attention seeker but it's pretty obvious pol/ users noe have some small ass brains and can't have a deep discussion

>>131058695
My biggest problem with Sargon is that he falls back to "muh individualism" whenever there's anything inconvenient.

Blacks have lower IQ and are more violent, and therefore you don't want them in your country? WHOA NOW, WE'RE ALL JUST INDIVIDUALS. You can't POSSIBLY say that any given negro is going to be a violent rapist! How dare you! Groups and trends mean nothing!
This sort of radical atomization is retarded.

>>131058733
>Hegelian dialectic
into the trash it goes

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>>131058722
>flag
>calling others LARPers

>>131058786
I'm a Centrist and I don't believe the Govt. should force people to bake cakes for anyone for any reason.

>>131058941
should people be forced to bake cakes for blacks if they don't want to?

>>131058786
if you go full libretarian you get annarcho capitalism like anon here is showing >>131058722

it is treu what youre saying tho.

>>131058941
so you also poked the retarded ancap?

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>>131045911
Sargon is far from rad.

>>131058936
well done you spotted my intentional mistake
top marks
now what

>>131058733
>hegalian dialect
meem

>>131058941
>I'm a Centrist and I don't believe the Govt. should force people to bake cakes for anyone for any reason.

see now youre talking sense we can agree on something.
ironically the faggot community where the ones screeming oppresors muh freedoms untill the become what the hated freedom hating faggots who force others to bake cakes for them.

>>131059033
Can you read?

I'm not a Sargonite but he has adopted a strategy with merits and he's doing more than anyone here I bet

>>131058941
>I'm a Centrist and I don't believe the Govt. should force people to bake cakes for anyone for any reason.

then you're not a centrist, you're heavily libertarian, or at least heavily anti-authoritarian. Advocating for gay rights, the ability to smoke weed, gun ownership, and freedom of association pulls you down on any political compass.

>>131059048
I don't buy the 'everything is collectivism' mentality of most ancaps. There are natural, organic, healthy associations that pop up everywhere. Being in a chess club isn't collectivism. It happens naturally.
This is why libertarianism and white ethnonationalism can coexist (and already does, really). Blacks tend to use black-owned businesses, and whites tend to use white-owned businesses. Blacks live in black areas, whites live in white areas. As long as they aren't at war, they have the freedom to live separately (and trade with eachother if they so desire)

more examples of this would be little italy, chinatown, etc. Pockets in cities that retain their culture, but can coexist and trade with other communities.

WE WANT TO COMPROMISE!!!

>>131059249
I'll take that as a "yes". So you're okay with racial discrimination then?

>>131045911
Because centrism is only relative to the domineering political ideology

>>131059346
>more examples of this would be little italy, chinatown, etc. Pockets in cities that retain their culture, but can coexist and trade with other communities.


theres a problem with this prevents them from intregating into the local culture like molenbeek.
and the eventauly form there own enclaves.

but i do agree collectivism is natural.

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>>131049361
what are you doing here mr. paper-pusher?

>>131058477
I agree

Business was about making the greatest product a person could make. Having people want to take that great product and improve it, teach it and see how far it could go

The system today, full of <isms> makes people remove from their minds the idea of progress and concentrate on profit and therefore corruption.

Here in Brazil, in very small communities that have little or no benefit from national laws you have small businesses and craftsman that need to step up their game, maintain quality in production or people will stop buying.

When you start building an empire, you can sell outside the community or even in other countries. You can hire lawyers to prevent your company from losing money. This is perversion.

If you can make shoes at home and sell to your community, only if you sell good shoes will people buy. And if you make good shoes, other people will try to make better shoes to sell as well or send their children to learn how to make shoes so they can use their skills to benefit all.

Global companies only look to make profit and cut corners to make money, pure profit to please the stock holders. Even if they make shit products, the corrupt governments allow them to enter markets and even the worst product is successful because markets can be changed without loss of profit and give no benefits to the community that works to make said product

>>131045911
>radical
>centrist
Lay off the kush Miguel

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>>131046370
>be OP
>be radical centrist
>want to kill myself
>but I also don't want to kill myself
>get some rope
>weaken it
>fashion a noose
>attempt to hamg myself
>kick out the chair
>rope breaks
>hit my head on the ground
>knocked out
>wake up in hospital
>doctor says I was technically dead

>>131059249
People should be free to make decisions for whatever reason they choose, right or wrong

People must be free to be wrong because the greater sin is to force others to believe what you believe to be right

>>131052378
>shelved books
so lefties work at bookstore, and stare blankly at people?

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>>131059659
Nobody wants to die, they just want relief from their emotional or physical pain, they want peace.
Little do they know death is about as peaceful as that memory you had 2 years before you were born: nonexistent

>>131059635
exactly a global busines empire does not care how it will make profit as long as it makes it that includes destroying local bussneses and goverment corruption and not to mention destroying entire boispheres.
there should be religations put in place to prevent them from becoming the new ultimate ruling class.

even if you remove the goverment corruption the busninesses will gladly take them over.

>>131045911

What is centrism?
Are you stupid?

Please, do not embarass my little country even futher here on pol!

>>131059681
>People should be free to make decisions for whatever reason they choose, right or wrong

there are reasons why we have laws anon.
also the welfare state removes personal responsibility for peoples actions.
also you dont force people in youre side you convince them with evidence.

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>>131053872
newfag

>>131060091
That's why we have laws about things we can largely agree on. In this country we have a thing called the common law, it's being subverted but it's actually pretty cool.
It was an agreement between the governed and the rulers, we are ruled by consent which technically means we can withdraw that consent if the agreement is broken by the crown.
Hence the queen being guilty of treason

>>131059901
Indeed, corporations have become so powerful that they will PAY to get their people in power

The most disgusting infection that is happening is for multi-million dollar companies to give so much money to politicians that they control them and when the politician is our of power, he goes to work for the very business that corrupted him.

Pharmaceutical companies and food companies LOVE this system

Fucking disgusting!

>>131060404
It's a big subject and this is not the thread and I'm not an expert but check out
the British constitution group

>>131058786
Centrism doesn't mean you have moderate ideas. It means some of your ideas are "traditionally rightwing" and some the opposite.

>>131059370
If a person doesn't want to serve another person they shouldn't have to. Which is exactly what this homo said>>131059249

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Fellatio.

IS.

THE new.

Kounta... Kulchu.

>DUMDUMUDMUDMDUM
>WOBWOBWOBWOB
>WOOOWOOWOOOWOO
>DUMDUMDUMDUM

Infowoes do' com.

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>>131054633
so the copper headed paddy really is a queer.; i thought that sjw voice was just a character.

gas that table.

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>>131054633
Fucking based dude

>>131050725
But he also supports some Right Wing ideas such as closed borders and monarchy. Do you know what a centrist is?

>>131060462
exactly many politicians like hillary of coarse dont even try and hide the fact that there glorified shills.

the eu is even worse in this aspect as there the politicians are too cowardly to even show there treu face and there puppet masters.

the goverment and businesses go hand in hand to fuck the population in the ass the goverment covers up there crimes and the businesses get there party politicians into office with sponsered money its a self sustianing sytem.

>206 replies
>2 post by OP
why do you fags not sage?

>>131060918
op started the conversation and where now argeu' ing around it .

>>131045911
Because I care about the issues and what is true to the best of my knowledge and centrism isn't defined by any of those things. It's defined by the positions other people hold.

Maybe one side really does hold a monopoly on the truth. Or maybe neither side is right. Or perhaps there is some strange combination where the right is 90% right and the left 5% right and the 5% leftover has escaped everyone on the political spectrum. Centrism is nonsense unless you assume a near perfect divide between left and right.

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>>131060918
Did you fart in your nostrils?

>>131057910
That guy is way too out of shape to be wearing that t-shirt.

>>131055174
Odin and Hitler are polar opposites
LARPer

>>131046742
U should a/pol/ogize for that bad pun

>>131054509
This is actually a very good summation of the problem with 'radical' centrism. A compromise between the truth and a falsehood, is simply another falsehood.

>>131060871
A system of total corruption that is masked and promoted to make people believe that politics is the only system that works.

People forget that the system of our ancestors was just fine and worked to create civilizations that would benefit us all.

After the system fails, we will have to go back to the way it was because the system will be destroyed.

The elite tries to keep this from happening by showing us movies and false history to believe that without their corruption we would all be animals and degenerates

I wish peace and happiness for your loved ones anon. The future will be ours again when the people decide to wake up and fight the corruption!

Vive le peuple Belge!

>>131061427
more along the line of a compremise between (socialism)cancer and cancer is still cancer it might be a little less but its still cancer.

>>131061578
thanks brazil anon.

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>>131056477
Spot on chap.

>>131061639
What are you talking about? Don't try to correct me with fucking nonsense. I'm not discussing specific ideologies.

>>131050310

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>>131045911
Sargon is alt-lite trash tbqh

Centrism can't work in a multi-cultural country. A centrism government would only work in a small homogeneous society, ie a tribe.

The thing all centrephobes seem to be oblivious to is the battlefield.

In the UK, you can vote Tory or Labour, that pretty much defines the scope of meaningful politics

a centre strategy is a simple way of redifining the argument.
You're all shackled to your belief system, we just want to win some battles in the eternal war of good vs evil
get on board and fight for truth and justice or dwell in your sanctified ideological safe space

>>131061696
My pleasure, love amongst good people
Especially from Brazilians that love the best beer in the world - From Belgium

Belle-Vue Framboise ...mon dieu, une bierre de supreme qualité...j'adore, surtout avec un bon fromage!

>>131062258
Jared Taylor is an alt-right guru.

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>>131045911
Just so happens I am a radical centrist, OP

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>>131052378

Nuclear family literally is what holds Western Civilization together. Otherwise do whatever pleases you as long as you don't pollute the gene pool.

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>>131063250
Jared is patrician af tbqh

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>>131063721
>Nuclear family literally is what holds Western Civilization together
Implying Western Civilization is something I should care about?
>pollute the gene pool.
same as above

>>131045911

because i dont have ashkenazi blood like you sargon

>>131064689
weak bait.
sargon in part africoon and the rest of him is white

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>>131047378
this

>>131054103
because they're not ideologically blind which is a useful trait to have if you want stability and orderliness but also progress