why is this picture so hard to understand for right wing retards?

>>130995666
We understand it, it's just not accurate

>>130995666
because CO2 makes less than 0,5% of the atmosphere

>>130995666
Hi Satan, bye Satan.

>>130995666

We understand. We just don't care.


There is nothing we can do about it

>>130995666
its a very narrow perspective of a bigger picture

>>130995666
>globe earth lie
keep trying

>less heat escapes
>the same amount of heat/radiation gets inside though
hhmmmm

also we are in the warm phase of an ice age. it becoming either warmer or colder is just the natural cycle. climate change is real, manmade climate change probably not so much

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>>130995666
Hey satan, if the ozone layer is able to keep heat bouncing on the inside, why isn't it able to just bounce the heat back when it first comes in from outside?

>>130998284
Nice one, anon

FUCK SCIENCE

PRAISE KEK

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>>130995666
Because it fails to acknowledge important details of a reasonable, but still incomplete model of global climate trends.


>>130996875
Radiation emitted by an object peaks at a wavelength corresponding to its surface temperature (Wien's Displacement Law).

The Sun's surface temperature peaks around ~5800 K, the radiation it emits peaks around a wavelength of 500 nm (visible)
The Earth's surface temperature is around 293 K, the radiation it emits peaks around a wavelength of 9900 nm (infrared)

Greenhouse gasses (like CO2, CH4, etc) are classified as those gasses which are optically transparent to visible light, but preferentially absorb and re-emit light in the infrared.

>>130996577
Basically this
When we end up fucking the earth for good we'll all be dead anyways so who cares

>>130995666
While I can understand how people can argue this.

What we should be doing is reduce shit that actually directly fucks us up, like air and water pollution.

>>130995666
That model is far too simple

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>>130995666
>(((science)))
>muh always showing just the last 100 years of data to scare the brainwashed zombies

global warming/climate change is an industry unto itself and they want worldwide "carbon taxes" on top of that. it is an insidious thing far beyond that even.

you won't understand wtf i'm talking about unless you look into these things for yourself. so, you can do that (takes effort)... or blindly continue to go along with their agenda. whatever.

did you know having ice cap is an anomaly? did you know that the earth has been ice cap free for ~90% of its existence? did you know by definition ice caps only exist during ice ages? did you know we are at the tail end of a CURRENT ice age now? did you know the caps extended as far down as missouri/kentucky just 20,000 years ago and have been receding ever since that peak? did you know the caps are going bye-bye even if every person on the planet disappeared 20,000 years ago?

THE OCEAN'S RELEASE *ALL ON ITS OWN* IS FAR LARGER AND MORE IMPORTANTLY *OUT ACCELERATING* MANS CONTRIBUTION

THE OCEAN IS RELEASING MORE DUE TO WARMER TEMPS (WARMER WATER = IT'S A FAR LESS EFFECTIVE C02 SINK)

IF HUMANS NEVER AROSE CO2 WOULD BE INCREASING AT ALMOST THE EXACT SAME RATE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW

THIS HAPPENS AT THE END OF EVERY ICE AGE

STOP BEING SO FUCKING GULLIBLE AND LAZY

LOOK INTO THINGS FOR YOURSELF AND STOP TAKING WHAT THE MSM, EPA.GOV AND NASA.GOV ETC. TELL YOU AT FACE VALUE, YOU LAZY SHITS. IT IS ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL.

ICE AGES AND PERMANENT ICE *ARE AN ANOMALY*

BY DEFINITION AN "ICE AGE" IS WHEN THE EARTH HAS PERMANENT ICE SHELVES

WE HAD ICE A MILE THINK IN CINCINNATI JUST 20,000 YEARS AGO

THE PLANET IS WARMING AND THE CAPS ARE METLING

THAT MEANS = MORE CO2, SEA RISE AND WEATHER PATTERN CHANGES

WE CAN'T STOP OR ALTER IT, WE WILL ADAPT JUST FINE

STOP BEING SCARED INTO TAX SCHEMES AND GLOBALIST POWER PLAYS YOU DUMBED DOWN ZOMBIES

>>130995666
Cause its wrong.

t. environmental scientist

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>>130995666
>globe earth

>>130995666
Science has become what religion once was- a small cabal of politically motivated crooks who decide how everyone else understands reality. Also anyone who doesn't agree is not only an idiot, they have some unfathomable hell to pay

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>MUH MAN'S CO2 CONTRIBUTION

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>>130995666

In the mediaeval age, England was so hot that there were some fifty vineyards in the south of England.

In the Victorian age, it was so cold that people used to go ice skating on the River Thames.

The temperature today does not come close to either of these two extremes, and, if CO2 emissions were responsible for global warming, one would expect the mediaeval period to be the cold one, and the Victorian one, the hot one; whereas the truth is directly the opposite of this.

"Climate change predictions have been wrong for decades. Let’s look at some. At the first Earth Day celebration, in 1969, environmentalist Nigel Calder warned, “The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind.” C.C. Wallen of the World Meteorological Organization said, “The cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed.” In 1968, Professor Paul Ehrlich predicted that there would be a major food shortage in the U.S. and that “in the 1970s and 1980s hundreds of millions of people (would) starve to death.” Ehrlich forecasted that 65 million Americans would die of starvation between 1980 and 1989 and that by 1999, the U.S. population would have declined to 22.6 million. Ehrlich’s predictions about England were gloomier. He said, “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.

In 1970, Harvard University biologist George Wald predicted, “Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” Sen. Gaylord Nelson, in Look magazine in April 1970, said that by 1995, “somewhere between 75 and 85 percent of all the species of living animals (would) be extinct.”

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/03/walter-e-williams/global-warming-lies/

>>130995666
>why is this picture so hard to understand for right wing retards?

As long as everyone is using immigration to destroy White countries I'm ok with climate killing everyone. Stop the flood of alien foreigners and then we can talking about stopping the seas from drowning all the city dwelling leftist cucks.

>planets just naturally are perfect and naturally eternally have a perfect cycle of heat and gas transfer

It's almost like leftists are creationists

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>>130995666
it ignores clouds
>it ignores the ocean
it ignores plastic
>it ignores wooden houses and furniture

I dunno anon

>>130999162
heat is infrared radiation though. so if that infraredradiation gets through to heat it up in here it would get out again

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>>131002743
>heat is infraredradiation
what? microwave ovens use microwaves to heat up food

heat is just a vibration of molecules

>>130996229
0.04%

of this

humans contribute 0.004%

termites contribute 0.012%

to the 0.04%

>>130995666
>666

Hey, Satan. Stop trying to convince people the Earth is round.

>>131003233
microwaves make the watermolecules vibrates which heats them up. heat itself is infrared
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared#Heat
>Infrared radiation is popularly known as "heat radiation"[citation needed], but light and electromagnetic waves of any frequency will heat surfaces that absorb them. Infrared light from the Sun accounts for 49%[20] of the heating of Earth, with the rest being caused by visible light that is absorbed then re-radiated at longer wavelengths

so i was a bit wrong, but still right

I could explain here why it is impossible for man made global warming be true but at least half of the board never had a biology class and never did fileldwork so what is the point

>>131003563
>but light and electromagnetic waves of any frequency will heat surfaces that absorb them

no you were wrong and i was right, all light conveys heat through a vibration of the atoms they interact with

>>130995666
That's like saying after adding just 10 more milligrams of Sugar in the Raw to your Cafe Venezuelo from Starniggers, that it is now too sweet.

>>130995666
>If we paint this side more red it will scare people into our cult
Tired of this shit

>>130998284
Can anyone actually explain this?

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SERIOUS QUESTION:
If there was obviously more CO2 in the atmosphere in past times, why is it a problem if we put some back in?

Why didn't the planet go into a runaway greenhouse effect like Venus before, if that's the thing to worry about?

Wouldn't another ice age occurring, which we know is coming, be more devastating to human life that a lil bit more heat?

Hasn't life existed just fine on the planet for millions of years and there weren't even ANY ICECAPS AT ALL?

>>131003253
ban assault termites

>>130995666

Planets in Global Warming

- Earth is experiencing global warming
- Pluto is undergoing global warming
- Mars Is Warming, NASA Scientists Report
- Global Warming on Jupiter
- Global Warming on Triton
- Global Warming on Neptune

Global Warming is a Space event!

>>130995666
Why are you leaving out all the geoengineering that has been done for the past 10+ years. Nice to pic and choose photos to fit a narrative.

>>131004878
there's nothing to answer, everything you said is the truth

>>130998284
Isn't that the problem with it diminishing though? More radiation was getting in that would normally get bounced back to space...>>130998681

> 1 post by this ID
you retard newfags understand what a slide thread is, don't you?

>>130995666
>right wing retards

You again.

Sage this shit.

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>>130995666
Why do left wing lunatics think all right wingers disagree that global warming is happening? Both the belief that it's happening but current mitigation strategies are unhelpful and the belief it's happening but not primarily human caused are far more prevalent.

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>>130995666
for most of earths history it has been uninhabitable, nobody cares about your anthropocentric world view.

Plants literally use atmospheric carbon to build its cell walls, if CO2 really is a problem then just plant some bamboo forests.

If you want to save the planet from human activity then you must reduce the human population, but whenever population in western countries starts to decline they import immigrants, seems counterproductive if you ask me.

>>130998284
...it does. Thats why you dont instantly get skin cancer from walking oitside. It bounces off some, but not all of it and when some gas (forgot which one) reachea the ozone (O3, this is what gets the cancer giving sunrays to bounce away from Earth), it takes away one of the Oxygen atoms (the letter O) and makes it O2, which is just Oxygen gas and doenst reflect any sun rays.

Don't mind him, we Dutches get fed this bullshit right up our arses from age 6. Our education system is highly effective. Just wish we'd actually learn to think for ourselves.

Its redder so its hotter
Fuckin dumbass americans

>>130995666
Fascists are notorious for engaging in massive denial. A fascist is always afraid, fear is a part of his personality, he has a neurotic and paranoid persona, but he refuses to face his fears due to his feelings of inferiority. The fascist is terribly scared of global warming, but like always, he chooses to redirect his fear to an imaginary object, like a Jewish conspiracy, subconsciously knowing that the chosen object is imaginary which relieves his tension.

>>131005212
because the left has a mental construct of what someone on the right is like. This is why they have been going on and on about Trump is a Russian puppet, to debase his supporters based on their assumption of what a Trump supporter is like. Unfortunately their stereotype is about 40 years out of date just like the Democrat party.

>>131005083
I seriously want someone to corner Neil "Captain Obvious Twitter Poster" Tyson and/or his gender-superfluid mechanical engineer/climate scientist buddy Bill "My Sex Junk Goes in Your Trunk" Nye with these questions. I seriously want to hear what they say.

Probably something like: "You're not a scientist so you won't understand but you need to trust scientists. Are your children's schools getting those Bill Nye The Science Guy and Cosmos Reboot DVDs we sent?"

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>>131005229
You bumbling fucktards are a threat to us all

>>131005903
good

>>130995666
Still salty we won't be paying billions of dollars for shit in 3rd world countries to line the elites pockets, and vanish in the next nigger wars eh? Fuck that spend those billions in America, then the solar and wind tech will still be there next year

>>131005903
see, you spend to much time on Reddit reinforcing your cognitive bias
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>>131006189
solar and wind tech is a meme
nuclear power is the only cost efficient and not retarded hippie bullshit that is as or even worse than fossil fuel

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>>131005903
We gonna die together faggot

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>>131006070
Then kys

>>131006212
>Accuses me of having a bias
>"haha you must go on Reddit because you're not retarded like me
Btw the Russia thing is bullshit, but no one cares because no one cares about Trump and his gaggle of morons

>>131006316
That's cool, I'm not versed in these things so I'll have to look into it, I just don't want to pay the bill for the 3rd world to fuck more up. I figured they were memes, most hippy shit is

>>131005903
Not an argument

>>130995666
why was it cold this winter then?

it was cold as fuck here in le quebecois

>>131002743
Different atoms/molecules absorb and scatter light at different wavelengths. Most of the light going from the surface of the Sun to the surface of the Earth is in one range of wavelengths. Most of the light going from the surface of the Earth back out into space is at a different, longer wavelength. So most of the incoming light gets in, but a lot of the outgoing light get scattered back towards Earth.

It's like an alcoholic going to a bar - when you're sober it's really easy to get in, when you're drunk it's a lot harder to get out.

>>131005903
Answer any of my questions and I promise not to let your mom die in her sleep unless you reply to this post.

>>130995666
Satanic trips of lies. Go to hell you fucking nigger shill faggot bitch piece of shit. I hope Satan rapes you continuously for all eternity.

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>>131006717
I bet you are also a Jew, I can smell that nose from here.

>>131004878
id put ma dik in that burger

>People will believe in a massive Jewish conspiracy to genocide the white race
>People will believe in a sex slave operation run out of a pizza place
>People will believe Sandy Hook was staged
>People will deny the Holocaust happened
>These same people think climate change is a hoax

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>>131005903
nice input

what you are looking at shit for brains, i'll talk down to your level, is the fact that the earth has cycles. cycles that are predicated on factors you are clearly too stupid to understand.

this has been going on for billions of years.

this graph shows that in the past 400,000 years alone their have been FIVE previous spikes in temp and CO2.... exactly as we are seeing now.... exactly as expected now.

also as a post pointed out above, yes man creates CO2... but it's like pissing into an ocean of piss. it accounts for less than 4% of what the earth is releasing on it's own annually.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090107122439/http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/archive/gg04rpt/pdf/tbl3.pdf

what accounted for the previous spikes, most of which were far worse?

think about it, you dumb fuck. what accounted for it?

did donald trump go back in time and drive gasoline cars around and build factories?

should we also ban precambrian fish? dinosaurs? early land mammals? wolly mammoths? cave men?

why do you think the MSM always only show the past ~150 years or so of data to make it look scary?

you dumb shit

>>130996229
Then Any more C02 is probably not good anon

>>130995666

Why is it the same amount of radiation can enter the atmosphere but only less can leave? Shouldn't there be a reduction of radiation in both directions? How is the atmosphere anisotropic and non-linear?

>>130998284
Learn the difference between radiation and convection and conduction heat. They teach it in middle school. Maybe go back there.

>>131007548
climate change isn't a hoax, the climate is, was and will be changing way after human race is long gone, but we aren't making it change, in fact, if humans were wiped out of the earth nature would consume all the modern world in a decade

>>130995666
It's a rigged picture, the effect size is not even remotely close to what that massive red atmosphere implies
Perhaps if it wasn't so propagandised the left and right could have a reasonable discussion. For now I'm ok with AC and melting Africa

the real worrry about the topic is the fuckery of wars that will start because we run out of fossil fuel

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>because this planet needs to burn

A bit off topic, but if libs are so concerned about climate change, why do they support free immigration? Surely allowing people to move from a country with a low carbon lifestyle to a country with a high carbone lifestyle is injurious to the planet. No?

>>131007710
any variation is irrelevant for the climate
how many hotter it will get if it goes from 0,2% to 0,3%? lol

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>>131007710
I agree, Chaim. We should institute a global CO2 tax! It is only logical. It's science!

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>>130995666
Wow, you've got an illustrated diagram! That must mean whatever you say is true!

>>130995666
Ahhhh, lefties... ignore data and instead look at a colourful picture based on false assumptions.

Sorry that the truth doesn't come in a pop-up book.

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>>131008035
>Surely allowing people to move from a country with a low carbon lifestyle to a country with a high carbone lifestyle is injurious to the planet. No?
QUIET, GOY

You don't even understand we just don't want to give you money and our private sector alone has help clean up America drastically.

>>130995666
Because it's fake news.

>>130995666
While you're force feeding bullshit to yourself, I've got a religion of peace here that you might be interested in.

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>>130996229
>dude don't even worry swallow this mercury it'll compose 0.01% of your bloodstream

>>131008105
Source?

>>131007734
>/pol/
>any serious scientific discussion
No they want the world burn they are not educated

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any of the guys saying that global warming is mand made, please, explain pic related

>>131008537
Were not giving you shit! Our private sector has helped clean up the continental United States drastically!!! How about you ask China for the money scum.

>>130995666
it doesn't show global climate trends
it's common core propaganda for kids

who's the retard?
you're the retard

The incalculable amount of variables which factor into climate are impossible for us to comprehend much less measure, disseminate and discern each influence with every other corresponding variable affected. It is closer to chaos than picking out a handful of environmental flags and stating such a blanket explanation as fact.

Even the simplest of processes become near chaotic when examined in ever increasingly smaller scale much less planetary. Improvements in data collection with disregard to localized environmental and topographic variables (changed or underreported), coupled with the sheer amount of data collected for comparison antiquates previous data in scope and methodology.

Climatology is political party, which explains the wildly unreasonable reaction to qualified dissension in peer review, refusal of data sharing and dismissal of the need for reproduction when errors and falsifications are present. If it had remained in the scientific realm, it would still be called Meteorology. That every climatologist concurs, what they were taught and are now teaching is fact, means nothing. Experimenter bias can be attributed to much more than a salary in the prestige of fronting humanity saving research in our dire final hour, receiving awards and accolades and earning a prominent place in the regulatory behemoth established to counter the contrived results before they show no fruition. It might just focus data gathering at predetermined locations of concentrated production of the conformational data required.

My ability to make money is severely limited by me understanding it, so I have chosen to remain ignorant.

The embedded politics are on display when all importance is placed on halting progress and limiting freedoms instead of countering the perceived effects through their own means of collection, disposal, or production of whatever they imagine will balance things out.

If man's influence on climate change was correctly represented as a hypothesis, it would not currently be the basis for the regulatory systems being devised, causing apoplectic opposition to the devastating economic ramifications and repression of civil liberties. Then research with the removal of politics being of foremost prominence in the exclusion of experimental bias would ensure the integrity of the studies and true consensus can be found.

>>131008766
They've changed there mind so many times on what is actually happening that I'm surprised people haven't realized there are problem other factors involved. And isn't the excess carbon causing a global greening? It happened in the US most of our forests aren't virgin and very vast

>>130995666
How do you explain the polar ice caps on mars melting? Why is it so hard for you to understand it's all those cars on mars?

>>130995666
"heat escapining into space"? hmmm, are there atoms in space to which "heat" can be added.

>>130995666
it's not, foreign hordes are far worse for us than climate change our technology will save us but only if there are enough of us around to make it.

I have a PhD. I am familiar with quantum mechanics. It provides a model for the greenhouse effect and identifies contributing molecules. I am yet to hear a better theory. This is presumably the basis for your pretty yet exaggerated picture (where's what vapour by the way?) The politicians and actors you've been listening to do are either clueless or misguiding the general public for some nefarious means. Firstly, this is a tiny part of the overall process. Secondly, no can provide an accurate climate model and so the predictions that have been made that most activists stand behind are warrantless. Thirdly, the systematic and standard errors in the measurements are several degrees? Fourthly, empirical evidence proves that global average temperatures have changed by any discernible amount over the last three decades and the climate is more stable now than when this commotion started. And lastly you have no clue what the ideal concentration of green house gases are. Mankind evolved with orders of magnitude higher of concentrations of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. I welcome the investigation but there is no cause for concern. Pussy libtards who do not know what they are taking about who do nothing but bad mouths people willing to point out floors in weak arguments in some misguide pursuit of acceptance do NOT help matters. I would also bet you contribute more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere than I do and you're the one who actually believes what you are claiming.

>>131008519
>mercury = co2

more great "climate science" from the brainwashed alarmist religion

CO2 isn't poison you fucking simpleton

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>>130995666
Apart from everything else the heat trapping effect of CO2 is about maxed out.
We could make the air 100% CO2, it wouldn't get any warmer.

>>131007555
nice try, shitdick
nobody was around 400,000 years ago to measure the temperature

>>131009147
Thanks for your input. In the United States our private sector has cut pollution and carbon emissions 20%, we honestly don't want to pay 100 trillion to the UN by 2030.

>>130999162
it's not just radiation, it's the reflected / refracted light

>>130995666
When you make shit up, we don't have to respect it you dumb shitbird.

>>130995666 (OP)

>>131007555
>what you are looking at shit for brains, i'll talk down to your level, is the fact that the earth has cycles. cycles that are predicated on factors you are clearly too stupid to understand.
Dude at least be humble when your making these assertions. People dedicate your lives to studying this shit and you really think you can disprove the entire body of work by eyeballing a graph.

The cycles you refer to are driven by the Milankovitch cycle which describes the periodic variations of the earths orbit around the sun. The cycle repeats every 100 000 years and goes through several identifiable stages. We are currently in the "obliquity cycle" during which under regular condition's, world temperatures should be decreasing.

http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/milankovitch-cycles

> yes man creates CO2... but it's like pissing into an ocean of piss. it accounts for less than 4% of what the earth is releasing on it's own annually
These things are in a delicate balance though. It hasn't mattered that millions of tons of CO2 has been produced naturally in the past because for most of history millions of tons were able to be absorbed by carbon sinks with little to no damage done. The issue is when you start putting out more CO2 than can be absorbed by the earth at an accelerating rate and carbon sinks like the ocean becoming acidic due to the increased CO2 that they do end up holding.

>>131009279

but there is evidence
>>131008566

see, people just don't fucking study

>>131000030
That's exactly the idea that right wing people constantly fight against, and also provide no solutions or alternatives for. Ignorance is how they "deal with it". They're fine with destroying nature to have taller trucks and stinkier hotdogs.
>What's a few thousand acres of jungle and forest, coral reef and clean water? >Look at that new Ford truck

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>>131008519
>again with ~200 years of (fake) data
you brainwashed kikes are literally retarded, or at least have a DL

>>130995666
I love coming to this new right echo chamber. It's pretty entertaining to read all the whacky comments. Maybe I have a dark sense of humor.

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>>130995666
Besides the fact that its an info-graphic and not a picture? Well what the hell is there to understand about what is clearly a subjective artistic over-simplication of not-simple variabilities based on partial truths and consensus skewed biases?

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>>131009185
Learn analogies

The point I was making was that small components of systems can have disproportionate impacts. Even small amounts of mercury can impact larger systems like a human and small amounts of CO2 can impact larger systems like the climate.

>>131009225
Yeah its a logarithmic relationship however exponentially increasing use of CO2 eliminates the significance of this

>>131009707
Hmm I wonder what caused higher temperatures in the past

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then fuck off and stop using your computer which runs of electricity for your trivial opinions on 4chan. Your diagram is designed to be overly simple to convince idiots to have a basic and misguided understanding of a very complex issue. It conveniently ignores the tiny percentage of Co2 compared to water vapor in the atmosphere. It also conveniently ignores fluctuating solar activity. At some point you fucking holier than thou climatetards and your 'muh 97% consensus' are going to have to admit you are just parroting propaganda

>Highest temperature in 100 years!
>Human civilization has been just fine for over 2000 years
City and urban retards.

>>131004787
As photons and other radiation hit the molecules that form the atmosphere, the pull of the earth, aka gravity, in combination with the kinectic energy of the molecules, creates a downward-pointing vector, meaning that said molecules will continue to collide with other molecules, not limited to gases, on the way down until they approach equilibrium and they are excited again. These impacts release heat, essentially raising the temperature of the container, in this case the earth itself and the gaseous molecules that surround it. Some energy does escape thanks to the earths albedo, unfortunately, the major source of albedo for earth is the ice sheets, and these are melting at a fast rate, meaning that less energy will be reflected back into space in the future, thus causing the planet to warm faster.

The hotter the atmosphere, the more water vapor it can hold, water vapor makes up 95% of the gases in our atmosphere. The more methane and carbon dioxide we release, the hotter earth gets, and thus the more water vapor it can hold. The more water vapor it can hold, means lots of rain, floods, and stronger weather events like hurricanes, cyclones, typhoons, etc.

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HMM, I WONDER WHAT THE PARIS ACCORD WAS REALLY ABOUT? Example A.

Maybe you leftist retards should actually read it sometime to know why (in addition to man-made climate change being a farce) Trump told them to fuck off.

>>130995666
PROBLEMATIC

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(((scientists)))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GijPX96_5uU

>>131009964
so tell me.. what is the content of water vapor in the atmosphere compared to Co2?
what is the most effective green house gas?
(i'll give you a clue.. it's not Co2)
how proportionate are the water vapor fluctuations compared to the co2 variations.. Your analogy is weak and your science is propaganda

>>130995666
Because it doesn't factor in water vapor, you left wing pseudo intellectual

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>>130995666

>>130996229
we should ban all CO2, then our children will be safe from the weather

>>131010051
All of that sounds good. Thanks!

>>131009629
Your prius causes more damage to the environment than my well maintained 1986 jeep...you are delusional, what is your degree in, I've admitted to not understanding all the science, that's why I'm not a fucktard. I've listened to Brazil and Brit anon in this thread, they have given me things to look into. Just because you say it's true doesn't make it so...also we don't want to pay 100 billion to other countries...so fuck off

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>>131009964
>Hmm I wonder what caused higher temperatures in the past
It must have been time-traveling humans who went back in time and built factories and drove cars!

Therefore we should create a global tax system!

And ban trilobites! Precambrian fish! Dinosaurs! Early land mammals! Wolly mammoths!

Holy shit you're a dumb motherfucker.

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>>131009279
haha are you fucking serious?? nice science mate.

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>>131010553
>we should ban all CO2, then our children will be safe from the weather

>RED! SCARY! WHY DONT YOU FUCKING REPUBLICANS GET IT NOW!

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>>131010051
>intergenerational equity.
This really stimulates my stables anon.

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>>131010220
seen this meme get passed around. thx for the laughs!

>>131010694
>You have startled the Witch!

>>131010694
You just know her dad is proud

THE TEMPERATURE WILL RISE BY 2 FUCKING DEGREES IN 100 YEARS!!! WHAT DON'T YOU GET? 2 FUCKING DEGREES!!!! WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

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>>131010872
>intergenerational equity
This will address "climate change", no?

>>131005903
nobody cares about your life

>>130995666
I deny none of that, I just want evidence that the co2 being produced is enough to have a real negativ effect. The response to this question is always "well obviously because there is abnormal weather", but this is lazy science. This is the only reason I'mean critical of human caused climate change.

Why must you try to make us do what you want at gunpoint leftist scum?

Go change the world no one cares.

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>>131010051
>Capacity-building should be country-driven, based on and responsive to national needs, and foster country ownership of Parties, in particular, for developing country Parties, including at the national, subnational and local levels. Capacity-building should be guided by lessons learned, including those from capacity-building activities under the Convention, and should be an effective, iterative process that is participatory, cross-cutting and gender-responsive

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>>130995666
Hmm...

>>130998284
science isn't about asking reasonable questions and using logic numb nuts. oh wai it is

>global warming meme
>round earth meme
Kys you fucking round earther kike

>>131007548
>climate change is a thing
>therefore, middle class should pay more taxes
GTFO

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>>131009760
I don't think there's an established relationship between torandoes and CC, learn what the carbon cycle is, CO2 lags and precedes temperature change as its both a GHG and decreases solubility in the ocean when temperature increases, GISP2 ice cores from Greenland will only tell you about temperatures in Greenland and there are hundreds of other reconstructions of global temperatures that show another story

>>131010315
>so tell me.. what is the content of water vapor in the atmosphere compared to Co2?
There's more water vapour. But any climate scientist will tell you that actually most of the warming due to a doubling of CO2 is not due to CO2 itself.

CO2 ppm increases ---> global temperatures slightly increase --> water evaporates from oceans --> global temperatures increase by a greater amount

Of the 3C per doubling of CO2 1C is actually due to CO2 and 2C is due to the water that evaporates because of the CO2

>how proportionate are the water vapor fluctuations compared to the co2 variations.. Your analogy is weak and your science is propaganda
Water evaporation is driven by humans though. Fluctuations in this trend are the water cycle and insignificant in any longer term data set.

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>>131010584
>It must have been time-traveling humans who went back in time and built factories and drove cars!
No your retard CO2 and other GHG are produced naturally.

Your graph is referring to peaks in the Milankovitch cycle though and quite interesting ones of that. If it were to be the sun alone that causes temperature increases then the melting of the glaciers would've actually never been able to take place to the extent that it did. Its due to the increasing concentration of CO2 in that period due to its decreasing solubility in water that amplified the suns forcing allowing the almost complete melting of glaciers.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222818998_CO2-forced_climate_thresholds_during_the_Phanerozoic
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/2009Q1/111/Readings/Lorius1990_ice-core.pdf

>Holy shit you're a dumb motherfucker.
The arrogance makes me cringe

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>>131011439
T H I S

>>130995666

It isn't because it's OVERLY SIMPLISTIC.

>>131011418
You do realize this graph is precisely what is worrisome right?

You realize seasons only started being stable enough for agirculture in the Holocene. That's why we exist and we're fucking with it.

Seriously stop being fucking retarded

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>>130995666
CO2 has a logarithmic effect on trapping heat.
Once the bandwidth of energy it absorbs is saturated then more CO2 is almost insignificant.

>>131004878
>SERIOUS QUESTION:
>If there was obviously more CO2 in the atmosphere in past times, why is it a problem if we put some back in?
Terrestrial flora that depends on CO2 was massive back then and thus the rate of its absorption was greater, not to mention that there was no rampant human CO2 output back then.

>Why didn't the planet go into a runaway greenhouse effect like Venus before, if that's the thing to worry about?
Venus is closer to the sun and its average surface temperature is 462 °C.

>Wouldn't another ice age occurring, which we know is coming, be more devastating to human life that a lil bit more heat?
It's theorized that several factors could be responsible for ice ages, from the sun to volcanos to human activity. You should be more concerned about major crop deaths at certain temperatures.

>Hasn't life existed just fine on the planet for millions of years and there weren't even ANY ICECAPS AT ALL?
At those points our ancestors were tiny and living underground.

>>130995666
Maybe because the higher levels of CO2 should be blocking the solar radiation coming in as well?

>>131011743
t. a leaf

>>131011777
>CO2 has a logarithmic effect on trapping heat.
But CO2 is being produced at an accelerating rate

>Once the bandwidth of energy it absorbs is saturated then more CO2 is almost insignificant.
The heating due to CO2 causes the evaporation of water which is a far more potent GHG and the melting of ice which releases trapped methane, another potent GHG

>>131011805
>Venus is closer to the sun and its average surface temperature is 462 °C.

Venus' heat is primarily due to Pressure.
Almost none of the sun's energy makes it through the dense reflective clouds of SO2 gas.

Venus isn't a run away greenhouse, its a pressure cooker.

>>130995666
water vapor is the biggest greenhouse gas, why are you libtards not protesting clouds?

>>131011743
Goalpost move: Now we have to "fix" the planet, not man is "breaking" it. Fucking kike.

So... you're such a low IQ dolt that you actually think we should (we can't, but if we could) ALTER THE FUCKING PLANET'S NATURAL CYCLES to suit newcomer man and his jew beach property and current way of life?

You fucking brainwashed idiot. I wash I could slap the fuck out of your dumb ass. Your parents should have.

>>131012023
quick question and i'm asking earnestly.

If evaporated water has a greater affect on rising global temperature why isn't there a positive feedback loop on particularly humid seasons?

>>131005903
The human race will come to an end and there is nothing you can do about it faggot

>>131011313
Gender responsive? Is that real, I don't think it's real...thats incredibly stupid

your dickpenis is too small to understand global climate. This iss a good thing.

>>131012023
Water vapor has been the main regulator of our climate forever. The warmer the earth gets, the more evaporation the more high altitude clouds which reflect the suns energy dramatically.

CO2 has always followed major climate shifts through all the ICE records analyzed.

CO2 is a good barometer of how much biological activity is going on. At the end of the last ice age, rising temperatures meant life could flourish in new areas that were under miles of ice.

Why was the "settled science" in the 1970's that we were heading into an ice age now not true? What makes the global warming meme more reliable that that science? Why are we seeing record numbers of increasing ice in the arctic this year? Why do so many prominent scientists and climate experts say that global warming isn't true if all scientists agree it is real? Why is a 2 degree rise in temperature over the next 100 years going to cause a global extinction of all life? Why do only scientists that agree with global warming get full funding? Why do almost all studies regarding global warming involve using proven inaccurate prediction models? Why are predictions touted as facts?

>>131012190
Not an argument. It would still be hot as shit and likely in perpetual greenhouse state.

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>>131009629
you don't know political history numbnut. Conservation has always traditionally been a right wing / conservative thing until the 60s when it was hijacked by self righteous virtue signalling hippies. Prior to the industrial revolution, most nature reserves were enforced by nobility and royalty. Even Hitler and Thatcher were pro conservationist. There's nothing wrong with protecting the environment. The problem is when scientists and bureaucrats use propaganda, alarmism and doctored results and simulation to get money from the public for their slush funds.

>>131011858
Maybe if you bothered to get an actual education you'd know solar energy is mainly in the form of UV photons ?

>>131011979
A fucking uneducated retard who watches too much fake news

>>131012671
Reduce pressures to Earth like, and have the atmosphere be 100% CO2.

It would be colder than Earth.

>1 No water vapor to trap heat with high specific heat to store energy.
>2 CO2 actually impacts incoming radiation to some degree

>>131011743
No, you retard. Take a look at the x-axis. It's pseudo-logarithmic. Ups and downs in temps are part and parcel of living in a big world. In fact, we're in a relative cold period. It's actually abnormal for there to be ice at the poles at all.

>b-b-but muh status quo
Life finds a way. We live on and the niggers die off. I don't care.

>>131012317
Are you fucking retarded?
Literally the whole point is that we SHOULDN'T do that. And WE ARE.

Like, why were you even born?

>>131012902
>UV Photons

now one is disputing but the change in temp caused by humanity is negligible

>>131013041
Proof that these faggots are literally so illiterate that they use graphs proving them wrong, that they can't read, for their point.

Im out. Go back to school

>>131013138
Photons of light emitted at a wavelength going from 10 to 400 nm. They don't teach you that in America I'm guessing

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>>131013348
>Zoom in to graph and see that Temperature changes before CO2.

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>>131011743
you're the retarded one. how does that graph indicate stabilisation in the holocene era? You're comparing a 20k year sample with a million year sample of the preceding pleistocene era. Before you call people retards you should learn how to read graphs properly dipshit

>>131013436
Educate me. If CO2 is blocking it in, why is it not blocking it out?

>>130995666
Gay sex

>>130995666
>why is this picture so hard to understand for right wing retards?
We understand the picture fine, faggot, but all the data show that FEEDBACK effects are the dominant elements of climate, and every last model shows they are negative, not positive, which means there is no such thing as "runaway global warming." CO2 increases. Temperature increases. Oceans put up more clouds to block the incoming light. Temperature falls.

>>130995666
Prove it's happening, Satan. Then we'll talk.

>>131011743
>>131012959
>>131013116
>>131013348
Why are leafs still allowed to post on this site? Pure, unadulterated retardation from them every time. This one even name fags so he can be a special little snowflake. Day of the rake fucking when ?

>>131013116
Earth has been through much worse things than mankind. We're but a nuisance and a small parenthesis in earth's history. Even if global warming will kill us all, who gives a fuck? No one lives forever anyway.

>>131013436
>Photons

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>>131012023
>The heating due to CO2 causes the evaporation of water which is a far more potent GHG and the melting of ice which releases trapped methane, another potent GHG
Every lost measurement we have taken shows a NEGATIVE feedback, not a positive one. This means the dominant effect of more water vapor is more light-blocking clouds.

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>>131012023
> Co2 is being produced at an accelerating rate
LOL - come on dude in the last couple hundred years it's gone up from 300 millionths to 400 millionths WOW!

>>131013602
Nearly all of the energy coming to the earth comes from the sun. Its primarily in the form of light frequencies that pass through the greenhouse gasses.

Much of the energy coming radiating from the earth is in the form of infrared light. It's reflected by the greenhouse gasses.

Glass is similar to greenhouse gasses. Light coming from the sun goes through glass on the way into the greenhouse, but heat is blocked by the glass. That's why it's called the greenhouse effect and the gasses that block infrared light are called greenhouse gasses.

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>>131013738
Funny how people still think this is about the earth. No fucking shit the planet is fine. The whole point is we won't be.

You can circlejerk ignorance all you want, meanwhile all I hear is "MUH Fake news snowflake" and no proof of any form of intelligence.

>>131013738
Also, this. Leftists want our young generations to be fucked in the head, having been raised and periodically raped by homosexual parents, with mutilated genitals under the impression that they are the opposite gender, and infected with 8 different previously undiscovered STDs, and yet they worry about the temperature being too high for them.

>>130995666
I've understood it since elementary school, but the effects it has on the Earth have been hugely exaggerated. Not a single model or prediction claiming that global warming is a threat has come true in decades.

The retarded liberals even renamed "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" becasue they know the warming is negligible at best.

>>131012347
I don't think one can have a particularly humid season without also having increased local temperatures. So what your feeling in a particularly humid season is that for whatever reason, you particular locale has been subject to greater heating and more vapour than is typical is in the air and some of that vapour will go on to increase average steam concentrations in the longer term. You wouldn't be able to realise this in the short term because the 0.01% increase in water over location wouldn't have nearly as much as an impact as say the earths rotation around the sun (seasons) however after a long stretch of consistently humid years you'd start to feel the effects.

>>131012571
>The warmer the earth gets, the more evaporation the more high altitude clouds which reflect the suns energy dramatically
Actually the roles of clouds in climate is quite controversial. Your right in saying that high clouds generally heat whilst low clouds cool however the exact frequencies at which these clouds will form and the magnitude of the heating/cooling effect of either type of cloud is still a debated topic.

Saying that water is such a potent GHG that any cloud effects don't really matter in waters net environmental impact.

>CO2 has always followed major climate shifts through all the ICE records analyzed.
Sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't. Doesn't mean its not a GHG. I address this point here >>131011476

>>130995666
Prove the most significant excess is from humans

Is it so hard to believe that I'd pick Trump, because I'd prioritize my own safety over a polar bear's?

Give me a Socially Conservative Pro-Environment party who can actually win a presidential election, and I'll vote

>>131013950
>Temperatures in central greenland
>global warming

>Every lost measurement we have taken shows a NEGATIVE feedback, not a positive one. This means the dominant effect of more water vapor is more light-blocking clouds.
Going to need a source on that

>>130995666
What effect will the Sun going "quiet" as it's about to do as part of a sunspot cycle?

Does our activity negate or wash the temperature shift caused by lack of sunspots or will lack of sunspots push temps down regardless?

Read some stuff on this...Seems like this solar cycle will provide some interesting data.

>>131013729
that faggot canacuck needs to go back to readdit/fag

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>>131013961
Pretty much all produced in the past 50 years

>>131013602
Molecules have varying absorption wavelengths, depending on their electrons layers and various things I do not master because I'm a biologist
In the case of O3 for example, they have a high affinity with UV light that they partially absorb/reflects before it enters our atmosphere. What isn't absorbed then hits earth-matter and is re-emitted as infra-red photons in every direction, including upwards
As it goes upwards, it hits CO2 molecules
CO2 absorbs Infra red photons and immediately release some energy back in every direction, including downwards, which makes a repeating cycle and traps part of the IR that would normally go back into space

I'll finish this off by saying how ironic it is when right-wing people bitch about welfare leeches, when literally every thread dealing with science on this board hosts tens of flaming intellectual welfare queens begging to be spoon-fed basic scientific mechanisms that are available everywhere on the internet
Disgraceful

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>>131014428
Its been falling since the 1980's

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>>130995666
Because accepting AGW is effectively debunking "God"

>666
Muh nigga

>>131014104
>The whole point is we won't be.
As I wrote, who cares? Mankind will eventually be erased from history, and why the fuck does it matter if we get erased tomorrow or in 500 years? I cn give you the answer to that you fucking leaf. It's because of your egomaniacal fucked up brain who can't grasp your own and your possible descendants deaths.

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>>131014589
you're missing the point mate.. the temperature hasn't gone up..

>>131014646
Sauce?

>>131014905
Are you unironically posting facebook memes ? The fuck is wrong with you, are you a middle-aged housewife ?

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Its just so convenient that our official temperature records start at the VERY END of a known global cold period. It was so cold in this time it that alarmed people all over the world and threatened civilizations.
In particular the Thames River in London freezing over was very notable for England as they never had that happen in their recorded history.

So then people start monitoring climate before the Industrial Revolution begins and it was warming before mass CO2 output.

Human industrial CO2 really didn't start until the 1940's and the warming between then and the 1800's is just as steep as the warming between 1940 and 2000's.

>>131015046
Climate deniers is the reason human species deserves death.

How much O3 am I breathing in in the first picture?

>>131009147
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/EtW2rrLHs08" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

nuff said

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>>131014905
The RSS data set (the one always cited as showing 'the pause') shows the slowest heating out of all the data sets (satellite, ocean, thermometer, SL etc.) and even it still shows heating.

You should also note that satellites have far and away the greatest error associated with them of all recording methods (indirectly recording temperature with a varying orbit from hundreds of km up) and that the other satellite data set (UAH) shows far more dramatic heating.

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>>131000631
Fucking this

>>130995666
>lies
Liberals complain about CO2
Trees turn CO2 into O2

Why can't they just STFU and plant more trees?

>>130995666
>right wing
>not environmentalist
that's called being a cuckservative

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>>131015311
>reddit the video

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Why do leftist science bros corrupt historic data when their 'model' has been falsified?
No one who pays attention believes this AGW shit any more.

>>130995666
Stupidest cartoon chart ever

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>>131015311
Welcome to 4chan Reddit

There is global warming is debatable.

What is not debatable is there is a lot of people using it as scam/cover for wealth redistribution, leftist economic schemes, corporate welfare, personal enrichment, virtue signaling etc.

I think Carlin had it right -We can't even take of ourselves/each other and we're gonna save the fucking planet?
These people don't give a fuck about the planet, not in the abstract.

>theres a huge fault line that is about to crack on the north pole
>haha faggots u guys just want 2 give third world money we will exploit the earth like the other niggers and doom everyone instead of leading.

rmmt

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>>131000631
lol, wow

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2017/01/20/antarctic-ice-shelf-crack-iceberg/96841060/

dude global warming doesn't exist, its just kikes lol.

>>131012023
>Someone who doesn't understand logarithms: The post

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>>131016213
>Most of earths history has been a frozen wasteland.
>We exist in a brief period between deathly frozen wasteland and the kikes have gotten most people into a frenzy telling us to suppress humanity from growing as industrious as possible to maybe not get wiped out by another Ice Age.

>>131015932
We literally have wars for oil. But it's more plausible to you the conspiracy is coming from scientists?

>>130995666
Carbon is an insulator. CO2 increase traps thermal energy, but reflects solar irradiance. The net is 0

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>>130995666
why is this picture so hard to understand?

>>131016519

>maybe
>pools of studies and observations around the world where flooding, melting ice caps are apparent from only a century of study

but its just the kikes though, greenland having habitable areas which were frozen in 2005 is the kikes desu.

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>>131014999
Just google it lazy faggot

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>>131016858
>Receding Ice in Greenland revealed Viking settlements, agriculture, livestock and fishing from a 1000 years ago.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/26/on-the-vikings-and-greenland/

>Receding glaciers in the Alps revealed mountain roads dating back to the Roman Empire and beyond.
https://climateaudit.org/2005/11/18/archaeological-finds-in-retreating-swiss-glacier/

>4000 year old Forest
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/08/receding-swiss-glaciers-incoveniently-reveal-4000-year-old-forests-and-make-it-clear-that-glacier-retreat-is-nothing-new/

>>131016784
Litteraly
> gravity > vacuum "force"

> then what makes a certain altitude the divin ding factor between vacuum and no-vacuum?

Because as far you get from the gravitational force then the more the force's power decays, and at a certain point the force of vacuum is greater then that of gravity, it's so simple to understand yet you are here

>>131009101
This is the most retarded reply in this thread.

>>131009101
> hmm are they're particles that an transmit heat into space?

What is
> sunlight

> light and electromagnetic radiation in general?

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>>131016784
The air gets thinner the further you increase your altitude, nigger faggot.

>>130995666
How is a picture proof of anything?

>>131016630
Its not the scientists looking for a payday. It's governments, corporations, lobbyists...leftists looking for an ideological payday.

U.S. taxpayers who have been forking out billions of dollars to prop up Tesla’s share price when the car batteries used in a Tesla generate as much CO2 as driving a gasoline-powered car for eight years. And that’s before they even come off the production line.

>>131010027
Sounds like a bunch of mumbo jumbo to me.

>>130995666
Oh I understand it just fine. Tell me this, how much heat is "re-emitted" due to greenhouse gases caused by humans?

>>131016952
Thanks. That picture gives a lot insight into where those numbers came from, what methods were used to come by them and whether or not they were peer reviewed.

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>>131016362
It doesn't matter if temperature increases between 300-400 ppm will be larger than temperature increases between 400-500 ppm because we're producing CO2 at an increasing rate and the time it will take us to get to 400 to 500ppm will be far shorter.

what about this, more carbon dioxide - more heat- more water evaporation- more clouds and rains- more light reflected to the space by clouds and less light enter to the ground.

>>131018285
The earth has been at 1000-1500 ppm before.
It did not result in a run a way greenhouse & positive feedbacks.

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>>131019380
Solar luminosity was also substantially lower

>>131017861
Try again.
>It's governments corporations, lobbyists...leftists looking for an ideological payday.
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=i
There is VASTLY more money coming from oil, gas, and coal companies going to lobbying than from some supposed climate change-leaning corporate interests. And it has been that way for DECADES. Only after all this time has renewable energy scrapped along to the point of being competitive.

>U.S. taxpayers who have been forking out billions of dollars to prop up Tesla’s share price when the car batteries used in a Tesla generate as much CO2 as driving a gasoline-powered car for eight years. And that’s before they even come off the production line.
Again, look up your shit. Oil and Gas Subsidies still vastly out-total renewables http://www.ibtimes.com/us-fossil-fuel-subsidies-increase-dramatically-despite-climate-change-pledge-2180918

And that study you allude to about tesla batteries is flawed because it doesn't compare the amount emitted building gas-powered engines and fails to account for the fact that Tesla is actively building solar powered battery factories.

/pol/ is the only place where people can both believe 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated so that oil companies could go to war AND also believe that oil companies are the victims of some even bigger conspiracy perpetrated by environmental science professors.

>>131019380
>The earth has been at 1000-1500 ppm before.
Humans did not exist at that time

>>131007349
would you eat it after?

>>131019634
The same corporations that actively push for open borders and globalism, and reap the biggest benefits of it all, but they dindu nuffin

>>130995666
What is krakatoa nigger?

Its hard to ubderstand because earth is fucking flat not round yoi tArd

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>>130995666
reminder
/pol/ is a bunch of suicidal white/larpers kids that wish to end the world.
thats why they elected trump
80% of these faggots are burn outs too
they know climate change is real but they just want to die
/pol/ is the greatest suicide cult ever created

>>131020023
Source?
Honestly, I'm not sure if most people who think this shit are dumb or just so young that they see the last two years where FINALLY FUCKING FINALLY we have gotten traction on renewable energies as some sort of norm and not the result of DECADES of trying to kill oil and gas corporations that TOOK US TO FUCKING WAR IN IRAQ. You guys see that movie Who Killed The Electric Car? Is that just like a distant memory?

We are in a capitalist system, yes, so that means if something is succeeding it is making money. What we have been working towards is a world where renewable energy is profitable so it can survive in our capitalist system. Now you get mad about it? OIL AND GAS AND COAL HAVE MURDERED SCORES OF PEOPLE. They have pushed the global agenda for DECADES.

>>131005903
>God doesn't care if you don't believe in him

>>130995666
It's pretty easy to understand. Why is it so hard for left wing people to understand that it might night be enough to matter.

>>130995666
Here's the secret, even if we're increasing the temperature I don't give a shit. It will be long after I die and people can just move further away from the coasts and move into previously uninhabitable land up north. who cares.

>>131022185
if you don't care then why not just defer to the people who do?

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>>130995666
Shadenfraude, some people just want to watch the world burn.

>>130995666
You're telling me the Billions of years this Earth and it's Flora have been literally shitting out methane and carbon dioxide have been ok...

.... But Johnny Appleseed driving his suv for less than 100 years is all of a sudden killing the planet..

>>131022348
You mean defer my paycheck to the people who do? Fuck you. Go voluntarily fund solar power, I don't give a shit.

>>131022465
you already defer your pay check to the fossil fuel industry. Double dipping too if you include all the money that goes to the wars oil started. much cheaper for all of us to throw in on renewables bro.

>>131022579
two wrongs make a right fallacy

>>131015156
No one is denying that we have a climate anon.

Leftists are getting really absurd with their arguments.

>>131022680
you realize that by focusing on renewable energy it decreases the total amount spent on energy by tax payers but if we don't do anything then the costs will just rise even more as fossil fuels become scarce? And we start more wars? And we have to clean up pollution. If one of these "wrongs" is a solution to the other one then it isn't a wrong now is it?

>>130995666
I agree that we should stop sending aid to the third world so that they stop having 10 kids per family and instead invest that money in militarily protecting the rainforests and the coral reefs.

>>131022865
>the costs will just rise even more as fossil fuels become scarce?
So you're saying the free market will fix it

>>131022739
heh

(all I can muster)

>>131017872
Happens when you have literally zero scientific knowledge.

>Global Warming

Listen you fucks. The earth is cooling. Didn't you ever take statistics classes? If you truncate and abridge graphs, you can mislead people.

Here is a picture of the entire earth's history. Now, add a line of best fit. The earth is clearly cooling. Showing a truncated graph to try to convince people it is warming is a fox news tier deception tactic.

>>131023048
"The free market" is not a solution you stupid mongoloid. It means nothing
Groups of people actively researching new technologies and lobbying for their awareness and implementation for decades is one of the solutions people have come up to fight back what could become a possibly civilization-threatening disaster
There's more to life than selling carpets you know
Moron

>>131023048
What if it already is? How the free market works:
Government funds basic research which leads to innovations which are scooped up by the private sector and turned into businesses that make profit.

The environmental movement has been all about beating back the fossil fuel industry from preventing that from happening because if they didn't then by the time fuels got scarce we wouldn't have enough time or money to invest in that cycle. And we are just barely winning that fight... but that fight is against morons like you who refuse to do the smart thing and instead insist on sticking with the status quo because... i actually have no idea why. Why are you fighting against cheap clean renewable energy that will lead to a better world for us all?

>>131022865
Need to learn some economics brah. We are in no danger of running out of oil or getting to the point where it becomes scarce enough to cause problems. Technology is ensuring that we can recover more and more oil and cheaper costs.

Focusing on renewable is just wasting money.

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>>131023346
no economic knowledge detected

>>131023453
Need to learn about the earth brah. When a resource is depleted it is gone forever.

>>131023488
Sure, teach me about economics, I'll teach you what a pussy feels like dipshit

>>131023662
Sounds like we should give a few more pennies to NASA and SpaceX, and tell NASA to stop wasting it all on the useless ISS.

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>>131023354
>but that fight is against morons like you who refuse to do the smart thing and instead insist on sticking with the status quo because... i actually have no idea why. Why are you fighting against cheap clean renewable energy that will lead to a better world for us all?

I am doing the smart thing, I told you why I don't care here >>131022185

It makes no difference to me if the temperature increases a 1/4 of a degree. The dumb thing is flipping out about something that isn't going to effect you at all.

>>131023453
Sayce btw https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil

>>130995666
Everyone knows that the climate is changing.

The debate is whether or not it is man made and so far the evidence is not there.

>>131023740
So you like having high energy bills?

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>>131023346
What a useful idiot you are.

I admire the leftists for creating such an easily malleable army are free propagandists.

There is no civilization threatening disaster from humans releasing co2. There are only corporations that are trying to siphon of your money for personal enrich ala Tesla.

Have you ever seen a chart of what the temperature has done in the last 500k years?

Our current temperature is not abnormally high. If anything, it is abnormally low. However, we are due for a drastic cooling period which is the real civilization destroying event. This will happen perhaps after another 1-2 degrees of warming.

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>>130995666
Wasted trips.

The ear is flat

Flat

FLAT
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>>131023488
>implying literally any economists agree with you
Not imposing a carbon tax is essentially subsiding polluters. They are able to consume as much as they want of a finite resource (low CO2 atmosphere) that comes at the expense of everyone else. Make them pay a rate which actually reflects their consumption and then you have a level ground for the energy industry.

>>131023937
see
>>131009467

>implying this isn't a bot
>implying the right wing shouldn't solve the problem before the left uses it to institutionalize ecofascism.

>>131023998
>Not imposing a carbon tax is essentially subsiding polluters.
nope

>>131023740
Because you're a bitter incel who's going to die childless
To the somewhat normal people with friends and family, shaping a better future and dealing with problems now as long as they aren't too serious yet is the sensible and rational thing to do
Guess they don't teach you that kind of deep philosophical shit in econ 101 or whatever retarded libertarian blog/subreddit you learn your snake-oil science from
>>131023937
Read the thread and then come back to the discussion
In the meantime feel free to shove your phony interpretations up your double-digit IQ ass

>>131023924
If it was cheaper everyone would be buying it.

>>131023354
>cheap clean renewable energy
Renewable energy is neither cheap nor clean.

Stealing from tax payers to fund leeches like Elon Musk is both immoral and is contributing to making the country poorer.

>>130995666
That is obviously wrong. For starters, the Earth is not round. Now, back to Hell with you, Devil.

>>131024118
>family
my kids aren't going to care if the temperature increases 1/2 a degree, my grandkids aren't going to care if the temperature increases 3/4 of a degree.

>>131023998
Hi smart anon, can you tell me how many Australian dollars exist? I keep hearing about btc having a hard limit, but aud doesn't seem to.

If this is the case, doesn't that mean money is just created, therefore taxes aren't actually used to collect money to spend but rather just to take money from you..?

>>131023662
No one is debating that, but we are in no danger of that happening.

>>131023795
Peak oil? Kek, what is this 1990. No one takes that shit seriously anymore.

>>131024246
You already made it clear you have no expertise
So people who have it deal with the problems they were educated to tackle
Free market baby

>>131024062
Address the argument retard.

If the government were to begin supplying Tesla with as much lithium as they could possibly use is that a subsidy?

If so then governments then letting polluters spew out as much CO2 as they possibly can into the atmosphere is also a subsidy.

>>131024262
> therefore taxes aren't actually used to collect money to spend but rather just to take money from you..?
yes

STOP MAKING YOUR MUMMY CRY FOR YOUR DEFECTIVE BRAIN.

>>131024379
>governments then letting polluters spew out as much CO2 as they possibly can into the atmosphere is also a subsidy.
nope

>>131023998
co2 is not pollution.

You are a retard.

>>130998284
Because short wave radiation can get through, which means light from the sun can get through. It becomes long wave after reflection, and less gets through. That's what I was taught in (((science))) anyway.

>>131024036
Ironically, it is the global warming alarmists who don't believe in Milankovitch cycles.

In fact, those charts were shown to me by climate scientists. Some who work the satellites collecting temperature data for NASA. They are the ones who are skeptical.

It's also pretty idiotic for people to take a sample of 100 years, and jump to the conclusion that anything is abnormal. It's not enough time to see the trend.

>>131024118
>Read the thread and then come back to the discussion
>In the meantime feel free to shove your phony interpretations up your double-digit IQ ass

I just produced data. You are just spouting nonsense like a typical leftist. Nice argument.

>>130995666
nowhere in that picture does it prove that climate change is caused by humans.

>>131024573
Proof libertarians cant into economics as soon as its uncomfortable for their ideology

Why do you think the overwhelming amount of economists support a carbon tax as a methods of reducing CO2 pollution?

>>131024664
CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Yes its pollutant, its been in lockstep with global temperatures as far back as our records go
>>131009964

>>131024870
>Ironically, it is the global warming alarmists who don't believe in Milankovitch cycles.
>Its the scientists who don't understand science

>In fact, those charts were shown to me by climate scientists
Yeah they show the Milankovitch cycle, and we're currently in the Obliquity cycle, during which time the earth should be cooling

>>131024288
I think you've been misreading your pro-oil propaganda. When people say we will "never run out of oil" they mean it will become prohibitively expensive to grab the last of it.

Why are you all so ok with continuing subsidies and wars for oil companies but not stopping them and shifting smaller sums to a more promising and longer lasting energy resource?

>>131024940
You gave an interpretation
It's stupid
Plenty of info in the thread to show why it's the case
Go fuck yourself and stop replying

>>131024379
Everytime you refer to co2 as a pollutant, you only make your assertion weaker.

>>131024379
Can dc electricity stored in chemical batteries realistically power an ac grid?

Is carbon 13 floating down from the atmosphere better if worse than carbon dioxide?

If taxation doesn't actually change the incentive, is it even worth presenting as an option?

>>130995666
studies proved increased co2 spurs plant and algae growth to use it. damn scientists love to dismiss any non varibled outcome theory. except global warming and c02 hurr durr adaptive planet is static with its gasses will die. but meteors and monster volcanoes that put 1000's of years of manmade level c02 up in one day in the past and yet earth bounced back and life lives on it.

>>130998284
First, explain how the earth isn't frozen on one side and molten lava on the other.

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>>131024664
>co2 is not pollution.

>>131025090
Your going to have to expand on what you mean

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>>131025066
>Everytime you refer to co2 as a pollutant, you only make your assertion weaker.

>>131025046
>Why do you think the overwhelming amount of economists support a carbon tax as a methods of reducing CO2 pollution?

Because they're jews and they want money. How does an "economist" make their money, hmmm.

>>131025050
I perfectly understand the peak oil argument.

Let me ask you something. Are you worried about are star dying? It will happen if things continue the way they are.

Oh, you're not? Of course not! It doesn't make sense because the time scale for it to happen is too long.

This is the same reason peak oil is not a concern. Fuck, back when legitimate economists were still worried about it happening, they predicted that it should obviously happen. Of course it didn't, and economists aren't worried about it anymore.

I am not okay with subsidies or wars for oil companies. I have no idea why you would think I am.

>>131025062
That has been every single post you have made in this thread. You are not contributing anything and no one likes you.

>>131025382
And they're pro-market it 99% of other circumstances because?