California passes new taxes to pay for what previous taxes were

>>130992275
>Most successful state
>Only state that could probably successfully declare independence
>Why is California such a terrible place?
I don't know. Why IS Kansas such a terrible place despite tea party economic policies?

>>130992275
Taxation is theft.

>>130992554
>Only state that could probably successfully declare independence

Do you think California would be allowed access into the American market after secession? Do you think it would be able to keep all it's federal land? Do you think America will keep enforcing Californian patent law? Do you think it would still be able to import water from other states?

>>130992554
Butthurt Californian detected. Please show us how great you faggots are and make it on your own. Go on.

>>130992859
>Do you think California would be allowed access into the American market after secession?
Oh I don't know. I'm just saying it has the best chance of any state.

>>130992922
Not a Californian.

>>130992692
Taxation is the price for civilisation. Property is theft.

>>130992938
That's actually Texas. Cali doesn't have an independent power grid. Texas does.

>>130992554
>Only state that could probably successfully declare independence
lmfao, you don't have the military for it.
You're not Texas. We're better than you and your jobs have been moving here because it's too fucking expensive in commiefornia. Also you faggots have no rights.

>>130992976
Except when the government owns said property, right?

>>130992976
Taxation is legitimate for a common defence. However, men who already contribute to that defence should not be taxed. Property and its pursuit is the right of every man.

>>130992976
What about land that belongs to the indigenous peoples? That's what I thought whiteboi

>>130993071
Haha I was going to mention the muh independant Texas meme. I thought it was irrelevant, but of course, nu/shit/ proves my too high confidence in plebs is ill-founded once again.

>>130993105
>lmfao, you don't have the military for it.
I would give it to them. Literally all any territory needs to successfully keep out America is a strong anti-air defense, a missile shield and stringent border controls.

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>>130992275
Californians, I just want you to remind you that the rest of the West is full and you must abide by the quarantine and stay in your liberal containment zone. Thank you for your time and have a nice day. :^)

Moved to Missouri from California last month, it is fucking great. There is no such thing as middle class in Southern California, you are either rich or poor.

Anyone who says people can't afford it is a lying shitter

>>130993592
>strong anti-air defense, a missile shield and stringent border controls
Sure. Good luck with the artillery bombardments. We'll see if you can defend your border with that.

>>130993592

>Implying they won't just let you leave, give all the welfare leeches a few years to move out there, then nuke the whole state

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>>130992275
Yo! Anyone heard the new single...?

>>130993620
Califags. You are ruining Colorado and this is not acceptable. Get the fuck out, we all hate you, even the retarded Texans and cunts from Illinois. You are a cancer.

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>>130992275
Just wait till they drop that 25% employment tax on your paycheck to pay for all those illegals getting free health and dental. Plus all the tax increases coming down the pipeline. That liberal communist shithole is going to collapse soon, and I don't mean their dams and bridges.

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>>130994840
>Muh taxation!
>Turbotards STILL think this is an argument!

>>130993071

>an independent power grid is what makes or breaks a state from seceding

I'm not even a cali supporter, but that's a pretty stupid fucking argument.

>>130992275

I fucking hate being in this state. Every election it's the same shit. They ask for 'fees' on things we already pay tax on, and ask to extend tax policies that were supposed to be 'temporary'.

I want this state to collapse into the sea.

>>130992275
Illinois is about to go bankrupt... these ass clowns can not be far behind. California's economy is huge, what will be the total impact?

>>130992554
What makes kansas terrible

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>>130995609
Kansas is a total trainwreck. It's literally one of the only states in the country that will give away free land because nobody wants to live there. The dumbass Governor Brownback has even tried to declare war on the judicial branch and take all power away from it, essentially turning the state into a dictatorship, as all capitalists eventually do whenever they get power, just as they did in NC.

www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-steyer-kansas-tax-cuts-brownback-california-20170622-story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/02/us/outraged-by-kansas-justices-rulings-gop-seeks-to-reshape-court.html

Trickle Down has NEVER worked. Trickle Down WILL NEVER work.

>>130996249
Archive the clickbaiters

>https://nytimes com/2016/04/02/us/outraged-by-kansas-justices-rulings-gop-seeks-to-reshape-court.html
https://archive.is/Hhora

>>130995350
hopefully less democrat support

>>130996249
Um, you couldn't be more wrong. But hey! Your economics teacher told you do it must be true.

>>130998669
>Um, you couldn't be more wrong.
Oh well that settles that! I concede victory to you.

>>130992554
>Only state with negative income growth
>Constantly increasing its own taxes

>>130992554

California ramps up the state property tax because people can deduct it from their federal taxes. So everyone in the USA is paying for California to be communist.

>>130995017
>>131001934

>>130992554
fed owns 45% of the land in california, it's never happening.

>>131001934
>BUT MUH TAXES
You fuckers are a one trick pony.

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>>131001934
>because people can deduct it from their federal taxes

Trump is going to get rid of that deduction.

>>130993620
Everytime you're stuck in traffic because some prius with a "coexist" bumper sticker is going 10 mph below the speed limit in the left lane, it's a califag. Everytime. They have to go back.

>>131004580
That's sort of odd, considering everyone in California drives like they're on cocaine.

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>>131004879
None of them can drive in the snow.

>>131005954
To be honest, nobody in America can. I live in Ohio, where we have 6 fucking god damned months of winter. And yet, every fucking year, as soon as anyone sees a snowflake they forget how to drive.

>>130992275
Isnt this a ponze scheme?

>>130996292
Go outside faggot!

Check out this quality buzzfeed article

https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephenlaconte/jk-rowling-just-revealed-there-are-actually-two-harry

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>>131006573
>not doing mad skidz everytime it snows
>not laughing like a mad man while driving through a blizzard
Everyone in the Rockies has to drive on snow to live. Stop being a soft cunt.

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>>130992859
>Do you think America will keep enforcing Californian patent law?
This is something I have never thought about as far as state secession is concerned. Maybe after California does leave we can have Mickey Mouse in the public domain like he should be. Anyhow, good point, have some tits.

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>commiefornia declares independence
>invalidates all previous water compacts

Nice water you're getting there. Shame if something was to happen to it...

>>131006573
I remember when I heard that to get a driver's license in Finland you had to drive on ice, and that, to enable this, they kept year-round specialized skating rinks, my heart overfilled with love for the Finnish people.

>>130992554
>Most successful state
>is just immigrant slave labor and evil coprorate white masters from out of state
>lower iq average than west virginia or kentucky
lol

>>131006698
IT'S WORSE
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT JERRY BROWN DID LAST TIME HE WAS GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA

>>131006573
fuck man i live near buffalo NY people forget how to fucking drive if it starts to rain. retards

>>130996249
>Free land
>Low taxes
>Capitalist government

What makes Kansas a terrible place? Sounds pretty great. Does the free land extend to leafs? I'll swear an oath to vote for gun rights and liberty.

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>>130992554
>leave the union
>die from drought
You do realize you need our fucking water? You fucking desert people only have silicon valley going for you. Once programming becomes even semi-automated, all that money is leaving.

>>131006932
>Crazy shit posted all over RV
>UFOS
And here I thought we were dealing with a rational person.

>Everyone in the Rockies has to drive on snow to live. Stop being a soft cunt.
It's the same here. You'd think after half the year every single fucking year of this shit people would know how to drive on it by now.

>>131007106
How are those states doing?

>>131007140
Too many fucking morons. We need to start sterilizing everyone with an IQ below 110.

>>131007217
>Free land
That nobody wants.
>Low taxes
That destroyed the economy.
>Capitalist government
Which is trying to become a totalitarian one.

Good points. Time to invade Kansas.

>>130992938
being 0 is technically the best chance when all are 0. it's also the worst

>>131007303
>muh corporate profits
You measure "economy" by how much money the top 0.1% make, why should blue collar workers care about your virtual money, big-stock "economy"? High personal taxes penalize small business owners most, because corporate niggers get paid in stock options.

>>131007221
>How are those states doing?
I already told you how-they have first world iqs, whereas yours is low and dropping by the day. They're average isn't as high as yours, if that's what you mean- your rich drive it up and your morons pretend they're the ones living it up.

>>131007479
No faggot. The state legislature literally had to pass new taxation overriding the dumbass libertarian retard governor's veto to fund shit like public schools because the economy tanked.

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>>131007518
This nigger's sitting here trying to convince me that WV is better than California because he's so triggered by seeing non-white people.

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>>131007221
>It's the same here.
I don't think so. Having to climb snow and ice in over high altitude passes means everyone here chains up, gets snow tires and AWD or 4 wheel drive by necessity.

You guys are flat landers and get by driving RWD cars that just go fast into a tree. Mountaineers have AWD cars or 4x4 trucks mostly.

>>131007579
>Public schools
This would be a valid argument if America's public school system wasn't so low quality as to be literally worse than no school at all.

>>130992554
>Why IS Kansas such a terrible place despite tea party economic policies?
Establishment GOP economic policies*. The issue with Kansas is that just slashing taxes is not the primary driver of economic growth. It is important to do but comes as secondary to decreasing government spending and lessening the government crowding out of the free market. Kansas didn't cut spending they thought they'd just get away with only lower taxes and all that did was bring debt because they still had high spending.

Still better than the California shithole though were they are about to try to pass single payer which will cost more than their entire operating budget and think they can just tax businesses an insane amount and those businesses won't be driven away. There is a reason why Californians are flooding states like Texas, Colorado, Arizona, etc. because California is a shit hole even with being blessed with the luck of the draw that is Silicon Valley/Hollywood.

>>131007675
>California is good xD
Why?

>Because it's rich!
No, corporations are rich

>Smart people live here!
No, you're full of dumb spics

>Y-yur jsut a WAYCIST
the state of (you)

>>131003494
I understand you don't work, you've made that abundantly clear. You realize the communists either rounded your kind up and shot them or put them in camps, right? Of course you don't.

>>131003876
He can't because too many states do not abuse it and it'd hurt the middle class. It should at least get a tweaking. Maybe subsidize home ownership in a direct federal write off.

>>130996249
> When you are a lefty and functionally retarded

>>131007693
I knew you were going to pull this shit, you fucking retard. It wasn't just schools, non-IQ.

TRICKLE DOWN DOES NOT FUCKING WORK. Holy shit how many times does it have to fail?

>>131007814
>Because it's rich!
That's not why. California's neat for all sorts of reasons. Largest zoo, plenty of shit to do, nice weather, etc. The only thing really bad about it is the pollution and being too retarded to build desalination plants.

I'm from Ohio, dummy.

>>130993071
https://www.nature.org/media/california/california_drinking-water-sources-2012.pdf
20% of cali water comes from out of state. best case, no drought
the impact in agriculture would be noticeable, and the increase in population, specially south cali, which receives most water from out state, would be disastrous

>>130993592
So now California will care about border control?

>>130992275
literally the same gas price as las vegas. fuck.

>>131008043
>Nice weather
Nigger or spic confirmed. Searing sun and 100° temperatures aren't nice if you're white.

>>131008062
If it's at war? Yeah, I'd imagine so. After all, America only ever wins by three means: airstrikes, missiles and jewish infiltrators.

>>131007675
>This nigger's sitting here trying to convince me that WV is better than California
Well, I grew up in Cali, and I have to say that much of it is actually third world-tier. Your per capita income is only about seven thousand above theirs and that gap is decreasing, this is not to mention the fact that your obscenely rich skew the average.

>>131008130
>Searing sun and 100° temperatures
Confirmed for never having set foot in California.

>>130992275
>$2.59/gal

That's still cheaper than where I live and the roads here are shit.

>>131008201
>Well, I grew up in Cali, and I have to say that much of it is actually third world-tier.
That's true of all of America. Country's going to hell. And no, it's not because muh brown people. It's because it's had disastrous fiscal policies because of libertarian bullshit for decades and trickle down is fucking wrecking the nation. As for WV, are there parts of it that AREN'T third world?

Cali is fucked, will be going the way of Illinois very soon

>>131008357
my thoughts. i could have sworn CA prices were around 3.20

>>131008405
>trickle down is fucking wrecking the nation.
Democrats have been in office for 8 years, and for 8 years before 16 years ago. just give up senpai

>>131007832
You calicucks are going to get destroyed. The plan is to eliminate state and local deduction and raise standard deduction to compensate for the red states.

>>131008043
>Largest zoo
lol
> plenty of shit to do
No actual culture, only entertainment. And by that I mean sitting in traffic for several hours for the privilege of waiting in line for several hours
>I'm from Ohio, dummy.
Well, that explains it. Try living in CA for 23 years and not just using for a quick getaway.

the reality is that massive deficit spending will eventually come down and bite you in the ass one day. it's like obesity, though, it doesn't kill a jurisdiction fast enough, so people just keep voting for more and more and more.

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>>131007303
>Low taxes
>destroyed the economy

>>131008405
>That's true of all of America
Not really. Look at the iqs of other states. CA is the only state that's below the fucking south.
>And no, it's not because muh brown people.
Bullshit, white americans have extremely high income on average.
>It's because it's had disastrous fiscal policies because of libertarian bullshit for decades and trickle down is fucking wrecking the nation
Really? Then why does poverty and shiftiness correlate so strongly with brown people?
>As for WV, are there parts of it that AREN'T third world?
If you consider intelligence to be the mark of a country rather than capital, yes. I can see why a liberal would mistake the two.

>>131008405
I live in MD and grew up with a house in WV. WV is beautiful m8. My wife is from Cali. That shit is just gross treeless suburban sprawl. WV is not populated very heavily and is a tourist attraction.

>>130995329
This. Add the legislature making us a "sanctuary state" without letting us vote on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsNuIjsBYrc

>>130993620

i'm still coming

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Has /pol/ talked about how California is about to TRIPLE their entire budget so they can pay for universal health care for everyone?

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>tfw my parents work for the government
pay my bills you fucking plebs

>>131008559
>Democrats aren't republican lite
Cute. There IS NO progressive party in America, so your argument isn't even a strawman, you're just shadowboxing now.

>>131008588
>No actual culture, only entertainment.
Absolutely wrong. I also forgot to mention that it's just about the only state with decent architecture. Even the walmarts are stucco with tile roofs. Every other state in the union I've been to looks like hammered shit.

>>131008588
>Try living in CA for 23 years and not just using for a quick getaway.
I suppose you could say that about anywhere. Of course, I would never live in LA. Maybe San Diego, but the pollution is pretty terrible.

>>131008720
>UNFATHOMABLE
That's because you operate on propaganda, not fact. You see, taxes exist to fund this thing called "the government" which runs programs like "education" and "roads". I'm sure once you enter middle school they'll teach you about all of this.

>>131008824
>Not really.
Yes really. Name a state that isn't collapsing.
>Muh IQ
Oh okay then, decay doesn't exist because IQ or something.

>Bullshit, white americans have extremely high income on average.
Again, this has nothing to do with anything. Where I live is overwhelmingly white and repukelickan and it looks like a post-soviet country. Actually, all of Ohio looks like that. And all the surrounding states do also.

>shiftiness
Did you mean "shiftlessness"? Fuck you can't even do racism right. Finish middle school, then come back.

>If you consider intelligence to be the mark of a country
I don't. Because I'm not a fucking retard. I consider things like "Is this place turning into an imploding shithole or not?".

Wew good thing I'm leaving this shithole in september. Next time I step foot here again will be when I come to reclaim it for America.

>>131008927
Oh no doubt, at least the areas the coal bumfucks haven't devastated. WV is beautiful country. It's the "humans" that are the problem there.

>That shit is just gross treeless suburban sprawl
It has nothing to do with sprawl. Southern California was nothing but desert before people PLANTED trees there. That's the main reason I don't live in the state.

>>131009155
>pay for universal health care for everyone?
We already do. It's called 10 million sweaty illegals going to the emergency room for routine medical vists. They get entirely free treatment, and it's illegal to turn them away.

>>131009315
>we already do

And yet, that budget is still going to triple.

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>>131008992
Only if your a gun toting rootin tootin real cowboy

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>>131009423
As are our taxes & we won't get to vote on it. Welcome to a democratic supermajority state.

>>131009568

coming so i can climb rocks, shoot guns, and own land. also drive a Subaru not a Prius

>>130992554
Can confirm that California is terrible to live unless you have lots of money.

>>131009257
>Absolutely wrong. I also forgot to mention that it's just about the only state with decent architecture. Even the walmarts are stucco with tile roofs. Every other state in the union I've been to looks like hammered shit.
Fucking kek, this guy thinks sprawling suburbs are culture.
>Yes really. Name a state that isn't collapsing.
Most of them
>Again, this has nothing to do with anything
>whites actually have a high average
>therefore minorities are to blame
>but this isn't true because muh anecdote hurr durr
Jesus, this guy can't into stats and he's talking about middle school.

>>130992275
Commiefornia: "I-I-I-I know what we should do! Tax people harder! That will make socialism work this time!"

Wealthy businesses: "Ummmm... BYE!"

MASSIVE WHITE FLIGHT LATER...

Commiefornia: "Why do we have 500 billion dollars of debt? WE TAXED THE RICH! WE SHOULD HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY!!!"

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>>131009257
>There IS NO progressive party in America

There's always the Green Party but only weirdos like me acknowledge them.

>>131009845
>Literally anywhere
Another great argument for capitalism!

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>commiefornia getting fucked because they too libcuck'd to understand basic shit

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>>131009817
Well if you come to Denver/Boulder you will find out where a lot of your yuppie white rich liberals fled to. They made a real mess of the place.

>>131009852
>Architecture and entertainment venues aren't culture
So what is culture? Deer hunting and sisterfucking? What the fuck is your argument?

>Most of them
You fresh off the boat?

>>131009986
>Dude weed
>Um give me all your money...uh to investigate voter fraud YEAH! That's it! *rub*
Literally a fraud party.

>>131009852
What's it like, living in some filthy fly-over hovel?

>>131010156

been there several times, liked it a lot.

house prices are getting a little silly though..

>>131010196
>Architecture and entertainment venues aren't culture
No one said architecture wasn't culture. Learn to read.
>>131010208
I left California a while ago, Paco. What's it like having a third world iq?

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Anyone not from California, or Californians that are ignorant. If you want to know why it's all going downhill, even more so than previously, pic related.

1/?

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>>131010404
2/?

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>>131010456

>the bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy

>>131010022
>Wealth inequality on the scale of California is good.

If you go to Kansas you can afford rent on a modest place with a modest paycheck easily. You will have some of your income left over that can go to saving or anything.

In California your stepping into a money pit. Every place you go is expensive & Middle class can barely afford to rent property. Fuck savings and trying to keep your money. I was there for two years and I never want to go back.

>>131008242

And you have? That perfectly describes the entire san Joaquin right now.

>>131007026
Where is that fucking art dealers GOLD.

>>130992275
how much is illegals costing California?? like $20 billion a year?? fucking a million of these fucks fucking up the road everyday without paying their fair share in taxes., and now you gotta pay more to fix'em. hahaha, fucking commies.

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So now that hispanics are a majority, California is one more election away from electing a hispanic ethnic activist as governor.

State has until 2018 until the gubernatorial elections. Enjoy it while it lasts

>>131010965
Get a load of their new senator, Harris. California would be fucking hilarious if it weren't a glimpse into the whole country's future.

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Is this accurate?

>>130992275
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w07wIvK1og&t=43s

>>131010965
I want to watch the democrats turn California into New Venezuela.

A crime-ridden, overpopulated hellhole with no hope or money.