Why does art suck so much today?

The Great War demoralised the world
The 1920's were the beginning of the end

the belief that 'it's more artistic if It's done without thinking"

>>130973363
((()))

(((Modern art))) is just another tactic to destroy Western society.

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>>130973363

Art is a reflection of the Society & people are becoming dumb.

http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

>>130973363
My aunt on the roach side of my family is a 'modern artist'. Looks identical to the right most painting but she only uses black brown and grey

(((SOMEBODY))) must make money selling you those "arts".

>>130973363
the only art i like is the stuff i have to stare at to make sure it isnt a photo

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>>130973363
It's a backlash against the ulta-pristine art of the early Renaissance which basically made it taboo to depict anything as less than perfect. Even the still-lifes you see of over-ripe fruit were considered somewhat distasteful when they were first made. Everything was so heavily idealized that as the Romantic era slowly died off, everyone was obsessed with depicting Real Life, which was basically just rot and satire and hatred. You see echoes of the same trend in philosophy and literature and poetry.

It's also an investment scam, but art has been an investment scam since the fucking Medici family.

>>130973363
The Jews don't like art because it's mostly christian, so they replaced it with meaningless modern art. Hitler liked art, so we can't have art anymore.

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>implying art sucks today

>>130973870
Frankie!!!!

Realism went out of style as photography became more prevalent. Art no longer served the same function because technology replaced it.

>>130973363
Not gonna lie 1917 is kinda kino in a way, 2017 is pur jewish trickery though

>>130973363
The CIA used modern art to convince soviet jews to move to america.

>>130973363
Doing the same thing the same way as others is not art. That's why it changes.

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>>130973363
Because retards barge their way into good things, shit on them, drag the whole thing down to a level they can compete with and then plant their flag at the base of the mountain, pin a blue ribbon on their chest and claim victory.

The man who painted this is blind.

All you have to do is ask yourself who benefits from weakening Western culture.

>>130974082
Ben Garrison.

>>130974233
What difference does it make if he's blind, we're all equal. You disgusting bigot!

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>>130973363
OP is a fag, this just shows how limited your perception of art is in the modern world

>>130973363
Kali Yuga

>>130974113
What the hell is kino?
I see this a lot lately, is it a meme?

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>>130974082
I doubt the guy who made that would consider it "art". It's primarily just an educational tool to show the armaments of the day, there's no higher value to it.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but you have to acknowledge there's a difference between 'art' and 'a cool picture'. Cool pictures can be a hell of a lot better than high-brow, mature concept art.

>>130974464
>you just don't understand it
I do understand it, I understand it's a piece of shit

>>130974464
I have a masters of arts and trust me, modern art is shit.

>>130974516
It's a nice drawing that's all, it's not a work of "art" yeah it's a cool drawing looks nice but it's something you'd see in your history textbook

>>130973363
Other than judaism, the fine arts was killed by technology. TV attracted most creative talent for years and now video games get all the good visual artists. Think about it, there is a 50+ year gap from Warhol to Banksy (that last 2 fine artists most normies can name by work). I would posit that we are not going to see any visual artists enter the public consciousness for another 50 years. I'd appreciate feedback

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There is good art, however its usually involving commercial projects. You can't get paid through paintings anymore/

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I'm starting to think you keep making these threads just to piss me off and make me type this for the 10th time. Right wing people generally don't support the art market. They mock anyone who tries to pursue an art career. Instead of buying original artwork they go to walmart or pottery barn to buy a mass-produced print made for pennies in china. This kills any sort of demand for traditional non-degenerate art in the American art market because it's been replaced by cheap chinese crap. Jews on the other hand put millions of dollars into the American art market but they only buy degenerate art. Because of this, there is a huge market for degenerate art and virtually no market for non-degenerate art. If you want to make money as an artist in America one of the only good ways to do it is to give the jews what they want.

TL;DR you let the jews take over the art market by purchasing cheap chinese prints from walmart instead of traditional, original art.

>>130974487
Its /tv/ meme. It means something is high art. Its pretty dumb meme, because kino just means cinema in slav.

>>130973363
Modern art is very very Jewish. Some of is even blatant money laundering schemes with someone buying some shitty piece of art for 1000 dollars then sell it for 100000 a few days later.

>>130973363
Luciferians and their focus on self absorption for "enlightenment," fluidity, and constant need for any existing knowledge to be "tested." Basically, a never ending cycle of shit changing into shit because they have no standards and only value themselves.

>>130974516
Why didn't he just take a picture? Doesn't he know how to use a camera? What a fucking waste of time!

>>130973363
>DUDE ITS NOT ABOUT HOW IT LOOKS
>ITS ABOUT WHAT THE ARTIST MEANT BY IT
>LOOK YOU MIGHT SEE A SHIT BUT I SEE SOMETHING DARING THAT TRASCENDS SIGHT AND YOU CAN SMELL
>THIS IS ART
>HEHE HE IS RIGHT MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE AN ARTISTIC MIND LIKE OURS

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>>130974549
It's not that

Art is a collection of massive amounts different styles and genres, you are limiting it to a specific style of post-op. There are still tones of people paint old style realism art

Comeback with a real argument next time boi

>>130973363
Look up the names of most (((gallery dealers))).

>>130974665
Lel TV and video games are shit too goyim. Videogames had its time from 90-2008.
Tv today is Genji and faggot Vikings.

>>130973800
Yeah.
NAH.'

Would love to see some art not created by elite or YOU gatekeepers kthxs.

>art has to be photo realistic to be art

This opinion is shit. Honestly the second one is the most visually appealing one to me

>>130973363
The fact that you consider the last image the only style of 21st century art only tells me how little you know about it.

>>130973363
Art doesn't suck

You just need to understand what is considered "exceptional" has changed. The type of painting in your example of 1817 is extremely common. It's a very standard and replicatable style. It is, by definition, not exceptional.

Art that defies expectation and standards is considered "exceptional'.
It does not mean it is inherently better.

You people need to actually get educated instead of just judging art by what you see on TV

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This is because modern art is often characterized by MODERNISM (fragmentation and FILTH) -- what we need is a RESTORATION OF BEAUTY IN ART

This is not accomplished by posting classical art and revering it -- that serves only to inspire -- we need creators and another renaissance of art.

>pic is Hitler's plans for Germany
Hitler was always building and always dreaming. We need to do the same.

>>130974849
Yeah Sweetie, that's not how it works.

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Classical Art is Anti-Semitic. We need Modern Art.

>>130973363
Because it's nothing more than money laundering

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>>130974487
You don't need to know what exactly does it mean and where it came for, if you can already feel it, feel its power, then use it, use the word, you are allowed my man
Aye all together now : "This shit is hella kino my dude"

>>130975016
Thank you, someone with sense on this thread

>>130974845
You just don't get it, when I fire a paint ennma out of my ass onto canvas it's an expression of the duality of the mind and the free spirit of man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzf57RqH6qc

Art is literally Hitler.

>>130975117
That's not at all how art is judges you fucking retard. I would know, cause I have a fucking masters in it. Start looking up Greenblatt before sperging your tard opinions as were they epiphanies.

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How do you like my drawing?

>>130975162
I hate french people so much

>>130975142
Explain?

>>130973979
I have a huge disrespect to people like you

>>130974233
And there isn't really much that is remarkable about it other than you saying he is blind.

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>>130975143
non-sarcastically this
the pursuit for perfection and masterpieces didn't die out, it was pushed out

In the late 19th century a group dubbed the (((Impressionists))) (new modernists)
rebelled against the Academie des Beaux-Arts (classical standards)
The Impressionists' mentality was centered around aesthetic relativism "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
and at first the art made by them was still decent and had good form and execution (see file)

But this movement eventually reduced art to personal expression and those expressions have gone from
transcendent subjects of religion, history, literature, and mythology to trashy 'art used to make a statement'
often for nothing more than shock value

ultimately it comes down to the (((art community))) - the museum heads, the gallery owners, and the critics - and
they have championed graffiti and called it genius and spend 10 million dollars on a rock
because to (((them))) it's all about money

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What about this one?

>>130974983
TV and vidya may be shit, but the irrelevance of contemporary fine arts cannot be competed with. My view is that vidya superseded classic visual arts media. I admit its kind of a meme opinion.

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>>130973870
>>130973827
"But the one thing you should not do is to suppose that when something is wrong with the arts, it is wrong with the arts ONLY." - Ezra Pound

Art is a manifestation of the artist, the artist of the people and the time.

We will see, as people become brighter and less degenerate, a great renaissance of art that blows modern trash into the hell that spawned it. Modernity is war-time, disillusion, fragments, death, chaos, the age of the broken man.

>>130975381
>That's not at all how art is judges
Hmmm yes, please tell me how "art is judges".

>>130974112
this

>>130975211
Hehe the new clothes of the emperor are so fancy! you can't see them because you are dumb!

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I call this one: "Fuck You"

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>>130975493
(((Capitalism))) is Jewish tyranny, and never fails to stand in the way of the great artist and visionary.

art died with the aristocracy, so in the 19th century.

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>>130975726
Art died with Hitler.

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>>130973363
>>130973800
>>130973827
>>130974179

>>130975726
The aristocracy never died out
It's still there and just as powerful

It's just that we live in our own playpen and get to play like we are at the top

>>130975723
fuck off commie

modern culture is all about celebrating ugliness and destroying beauty

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>>130975723
jews starve the artists, you'd assume they'd have 6 million reasons to know what that's like

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>>130974754
Is that Eowyn?

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>>130975790
Art lives in memory. Hitler was one of few brave enough to stand up for what he knew was right and the best, the true Almighty Creator. There will be another Hitler and another revival of the greatest art man is capable of producing.

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>>130975381
shut the fuck up you neolithic mental midget

>>130974796

Everyone read my fucking post. I know what I'm talking about. I was involved in the NYC art scene. I've literally fucking been introduced to the Guggenhiems and I used to work for Jeff Koons. This is why all the art you see is degenerate crap. You have nobody to blame but yourselves. Buying chinese crap killed the art market and now the jew pulls all the strings.

>>130976021
Trump.

>>130975493
You somehow think that the artist's goal is to pretend to be a camera and that the judgement of their art should come down to how similar it is to a photograph

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>>130973363
There is alot of great art today. You are just too lazy to find it.

Search john berkey, he has amazing space art.

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>>130974516
>>130974633
As an amateur artist myself, I have to say that stuff like this is more in line with the classical greats of the 17th century. It's basically just some guy getting commissioned to draw something, usually a historical scene, from his imagination and his knowledge of history. "Modern art" which depicts nothing at all is from degenerate imbeciles at college who have no idea what to do so they just throw some paint on a canvas or build a block and claim it's depicting their soul.

>>130973628
It's called dadaism.

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Too lazy to actually try I guess.

>>130976133
It's called shit

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>>130976004

Is from the Lord of the Rings TCG

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Because the (((people))) running the art business understand money, but not beauty.
Art is now an investment for billionaires and not the attempt to create beauty and inspiration.

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I call this one: "Aryana Grande"

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>>130973363
I wonder (((who))) would benefit from turning art into money laundering.

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>>130973363
Imo "art" nowadays sucks so much today is because there's no deeper meaning behind it, no thought put into it, it's just a shit ton of random bullshit left open to "interpretation" by everyone else.

Sure, art back then was also open for interpretation, to be discussed and admired but not only that, some could also just admire the skill that went into portraits or beautiful landscapes. There wasn't just a deep ass meaning behind it, even the fucking layman next door could've gone out and admired the beauty of the work.

Nowadays, it's all just a shitton of bullshit, randomly put together, no proper message, no proper idea or ideal to back. Nobody wants to put down, draw something because it may just offend someone, or it's not "properly depicting" something or it's just for the quick buck even. You can just strew together a couple metal strings randomly and call it art, since hey, you can just tell it's open for interpretation or define some random bullshit yourself

Pic related, one of my personal drawings, not my idea since it's just a spin on another pic, but hey

>>130973363
Because social Marxism has removed the concept of objective good to bad

>>130973363
http://pixologic.com/

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because no effort is needed. Pretentious idiots will call anything art. no detail in anything anymore

>>130973363
somebody invented the camera and accurate depiction of what is there in plain sight has become available to anybody regardless of talent.

>>130973363
In before Jews


Too late

>>130976378
Art doesn't have to have meaning, just paint a nice country scene, bob Ross paintings have no meaning but they look nice

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>>130973363
BECAUSE YOU ONLY PAY ATTENTION TO THE SHIT ART
fucking stormweenies


Popular art, today's zeitgeist art, is now not in paintings but expressed through movies, crafts, games, photography

Hugh Hefner and Walt Disney were the last artists.

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>>130975956
Exactly. It's blatant perversion. NEVER side with the degenerates who love death and hate life, worship ugliness and hate beauty. As long as even you are willing to stand for beauty and life and what is right, modern rats will not win, but they will hate you, because they know that you will send them back to the trash where they belong.

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we're making it but have yet to receive recognition.
Patience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAExa9P7hME

>>130976530
Don't post porn

>>130976518
Like I also said, you can just admire the beauty of the artwork itself, even if it's just a beautiful scenery. Bob is the best example of that.

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>>130976578

>>130974796
>>130976067
The middle class never supported art.
They were always orbiting parasites buying replicas at best.

You're more or less right though.
It won't really ever change because art belongs to whoever is willing to say "Hey, this is part of my identity" and point at something abstract and nonreal.
That's elitist, talk don'tcha know

>>130973363
>>130973363
>>130973363

Jews fund and display shit art in an attempt to undermine one of the fundamental aspects of Western culture.

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>>130976660

1945

that is the year when whites started beeing shit

>>130976313
>in no way shape or form Aryan
why did you make this?

Henry Ford and Ben Garrison were the last artists.

>>130976378
I don't think it's a result of political correctness. I think people today simply have no attachment to reality. The older the paintings go the more you see the human condition expressed in very subtle ways

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>>130973363
Photo realism in painting seems better but it's uninspired. Who needs realism when there are cameras?

Art is understanding how another person SEES the world. Van Hohn made the starry night painting right. Is it realistic? No, but that is how he saw the night sky at that moment. That's much more insightful than copying reality.

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>>130973363
The invention of photography made ultra-realistic paintings pointless and obsolete.
Artists embraced surreal and stylized art styles because it simply makes more sense in modern times.

>>130976761
She belongs to me now.

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>Modern art

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>>130976100
why do you hate art

>>130975292
Hitler was literally an artist.

>>130973363
photography came along.

>>130976819

Notice how no one in the background is actually looking at the...."art"

>>130975723
Totally, the government should just control everything, or nothing at all.
>Those are the only alternatives to capitalsim, you fucking retard.

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>>130976068
Absolutely. Trump is also a test of loyalty. Who is loyal to he who is the greatest? We see, even on this board, former fanatics dropping off and losing loyalty and faith in the dream that Trump revived for the American people.

What Trump says is LOUD and CLEAR. Worship God, strength, success, greatness, toughness, bravery and HEROISM.

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>>130974112
Straight representational art may have lost its purpose with the invention of photography, but that doesn't explain the reason for a devaluing in technical ability and the rise of infantilism.

Again, it was (((them)))

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>>130976819
reminds me of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interior_Semiotics

>>130977046
Don't post porn

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I-it's beautiful! A masterpiece!

>>130975606
You're so smart for catching his typo
>>130975117
> It's a very standard and replicatable
>replicatable
>replicable

You know what is more replicable than that 1817 picture, without any training? the 1917 and 2017 pieces.

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>>130976530

>>130976819
This shit was here in Brazil!
The left killed our culture and replaced with this degenerate crap!

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>LOL ur going into art? UR FUCKING STUPID M8. Have fun being a starving artist LOLOLOL. Why should I buy it when I can buy a print for $3 that looks just as good!?

>Wait, where did all the traditional, right-wing artists go!?

SMHTBQH senpai.

>>130976122
>"Modern art" which depicts nothing at all is from degenerate imbeciles at college who have no idea what to do so they just throw some paint on a canvas or build a block and claim it's depicting their soul.
It's more complicated than that.

Art, in whatever form, be it music, literature, sculpture, painting, whatever, works through symbols and allusion.
All art does this. It's not about "degeneracy". It's just how art works.

You a draw bloody knife, you invoke thoughts of violence. That's the most basic level of symbol.

But the more distant you can get from the source of the symbol, the more potent the abstraction can be. For example, instead of showing a violent act, show the distant aftermath.

The "problem" with educated artists is that they build off this abstraction to a level that is just gibberish to outsiders.
It's like a chain. If you follow every link, then it makes perfect sense. But if you only have the first and last link, then you can't follow and it makes no sense.

>>130973363
Art has always gone from one stage to another. When a movement has run its course, artists move on to a new style. The most widespread idea of art today is that art should be innovative, and this requires artists to do something new. The modern art that the Nazis derided is way out of style by now.
Art that mimics old, out of fashion art styles is known as "kitsch". Look up Thomas Kinkade. Just because something is beautiful doesn't make it good art. Anime art is arguably beautiful looking and very pleasant to look at, but it has zero credibility as art. Why? Because it doesn't innovate, it just keeps using the same style over and over to look good, and it panders to an audience.

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>>130976941
The government is the people, and is the will of the people. Everything you do for ((($$$))) is greedy, soulless Kikery.

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>>130977141
a leaf

>>130973363
It's an effort to explore alternatives.

People learned how to paint 1:1 pictures perfectly, and often did so for little other reason than being paid large sums of money by upperclassmen.

The nature of the human mind is chaotic however, and strange art is a decent way of exploring it - pulling bits out, crystalizing them.

>>130977161
>without any training
Why without training?
An artist isn't going to be untrained

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>>130976621

Why not us /pol/?

>>130977205
Either that or it is pure shit made for money laundering.

I bet the later.

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>>130973363
Uh it doesn't.

>>130977236
Porn is sick, don't post it! It should be illegal

>>130973363
government education

it started around 1910s

>>130977594
>That image
>Doesn't suck

sure

>>130976578
>s now not in paintings but expressed through movies, crafts, games, photography
pfft HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>130977558
It can be both
It often is

>>130977380
I'm saying a child can create art pieces like 1917 and 2017 and fool people like you.

You're just making excuses for shit "art"

>>130977594
This is shit. This was the best you could do?

>>130973363
Art is escapism and some people, which are usually the people who either create or buy art, prefer escapism through intellectual methods rather than just admiring the beauty. Sure, realistic paintings are nice to look at, but realism lacks the emotional element a more abstract piece can achieve.

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>>130973363

Cult of Ugliness. The aim of Art is beauty, which is a human good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw4MMEnmpc

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>>130976819
She seems to be thoroughly enjoying herself. Anyone wanna take a stab in the dark as to what her heritage is?

>>130973363
Art reflects society
Degenerate society
Degenerate art

>>130973363
I'm currently reading Stephen Hicks, "Explaining Postmodernism". At the very end there's an essay about the subject, but I'm afraid I haven't gotten there yet.

>>130975923
Fuck off english teacher you're as bad as kikes

Shadman is single handedly reviving Art's good name

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>>130977046
Being able to deconstruct and simplify reality requires great technical skill.
Also shitty artists have always existed, you don't see many of the old ones only because nobody bothered to pass them down to future generations.

>>130974516
I dreamed about this place or very similar

>>130977824
An illiterate could have written Finnegan's Wake

Why don't you make these types of paintings and sell them, if they're so easy.

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>>130973363
There is plenty of cool art today

>>130973363
cuz

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>>130978042

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>>130973363
Because cameras exist, so artists want to create something that stands out more instead of just drawing a picture of something that could be photographed. That's not to excuse garbage looking art, it's just pointing out that they need to be more creative with their work to make it stand out more to the artistic community, they aren't really drawing it to appeal to a general audience, just those few artists and critics whose words matter.

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>>130975143

Art

>>130977594
Kill La Kill art sure, fine art not so much.

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>>130977859
Art is more than just escapism. It is CREATION. Everything you write can be compared to poetry -- influential expression. Your body and your appearance, any other medium that you use is a creation. More than emotion, is creation.

>>130977888
Exactly

>>130977895
lel

>>130974796
Who do you suggest I support?

>>130978117
Maybe I do make a living selling and writing metal music to people who have trained themselves to listen to it.

>why don't you
I'm not being funded by the CIA either
>>130975855

just because it makes money doesn't mean its tapping into anything special.

>>130978042
>t. shartman

>>130974022
damn, what an incredible painting that is

>>130974754
>You can't get paid through paintings anymore
Yeah you can.

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>>130974796
>Right wing people generally don't support the art market.
They SHOULD -- that is the point of these threads.

>>130973363
Its only the shit they display in Art Museums these days. Any real art these days you have to look online to see real modern artists that make beautiful paintings, sculptures, poetry, and other artworks. Now half of them have to make porn since an artist has to make money or charge a shit ton for a commissioned piece of artwork.

>>130978520
>metal music
Sounds like a bunch of cats fighting inside a garbage can to me.
Buncha noise

>>130975126
>we need to return to the classical greek conception of beauty because we westerners are too creatively bankrupt to come up with anything else

>>130978280
>It is CREATION
Alright, what's so important about creation?

>>130978731
>Its only the shit they display in Art Museums these days.
Have you been in art museum recently?

>>130977802
What you're laughing at, neckbeard?

Back in the days there too was drunken songs and popular cliched dramas besides what was great.
Now we too see that in popular songs and movies, buy therevare greats too.

Mediums grow and change. There are wonderful artistic exprrsions made through crafts, movies, games, etc, and still keep the critical popular audience.

Art is at its most bauntiful today. You can find brilliant contemporary paintings who carry the old tradition, but its prominence in lay knowledge died down due, like I said, how much othet mediums exist.


People complaining about art today are pretentious little twats in their high-school or early 20s.

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>>130974022
Ah...Ferrer Dalmau

>>130978757
It is until you force yourself to gain a taste for it. which is the point.

Music only exists in the first place to appeal to others, the same is likely true for other art forms, music is just my thing.

>>130978945
>It is until you force yourself to gain a taste for it.
I don't know... It sounds like... A child could make it

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>>130975489
I'm sure you can do better.

It's jews' tradition to corrupt something beautiful.

art doesn't suck you just don't understand art and art history. it's a good thing western art hasn't stayed stagnant and classical like all the same shit you see in oriental art. modern artists are highly trained and can spend years working on a classical type painting but they choose not to because that's boring.

>>130973363
The more Godless we become, the worse we become.

It's not just art. It's everything.

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>>130974082

Yes it really fucking does

>>130974233
Has he ever seen or has he been blind his entire life?

>>130979065
What they do now is much better...
No, wait it's not.
Really, it takes no talent to make a (((Rothko)))

>>130979006
Could, and maybe has. I'm still saying its shit, objectively, to music pre 20th century.

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>>130973363
>>130978127

>>130979319
why don't you try making one then. post proof.

>>130975493
the beaux-arts was teaching you how to paint by numbers. they were basically plumbers with a paintbrush; producing mostly sterile and bland "art". Art isn't just about creating things that are true to life

>>130973363
>not able to appreciate modigliani
pleb central. between this and the constant shilling this board is absolute shit

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Some 3D art.

>>130978828
Creation is the bringing about of life -- from nothing.

>>130978805
what matters is WHAT IS BEING CREATED. You can create a brand new piece of shit and say "I created this" but what is it? A piece of shit. Programmed abhorrence to beauty produces reluctance to the creation of beautiful art. The greeks did not conceive beauty, they witnessed what has been there from the beginning.

>>130973870
>The Globalists/Satanists/Social Engineers/etc have no idea what they unleashed & the death sentence they just gave the Earth.(They already lost control of Feminism to a point where Islam has to be pumped into The West in hopes to stop it)
Do you unironically believe that?

>>130978314

Not saying any one person in particular. Just saying IF you're going to buy art to decorate your home then go buy an original piece instead of a $3 chinese piece of shit from the store. There's plenty of original, traditional art out there for reasonable prices now thanks to the ability to sell online. Go for that stuff before you support more chinese outsourcing. If more people did that then you would see traditional art becoming more popular and mainstream because it would revitalize that market.

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>>130979431
Yeah, it's great, how the goys don't think this 43.8 million dollars pic is beautiful?

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>>130979431
Yeah, sure I think I have a spare canvas.
Hurr Durr.

But if I had it would take me 0 effort to make three or four.

>>130977161
>You know what is more replicable than that 1817 picture, without any training? the 1917 and 2017 pieces.
Harder to reproduce the quick visible brush strokes of the Modigliani than the workmanlike blended brush strokes on the left, the one on the right is pure horseshit though.

>>130979637
So you're telling me what makes art good is how hard it takes the artist to make it?

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>>130973363
You are not looking at the right places for art

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>>130978314
MAKE art. Stop listening to the kikes.

>>130979885
It's a factor, yes. Art is beauty and skill.

>>130974022
>It's a backlash against the ulta-pristine art of the early Renaissance
>early Renaissance
Well, maybe the backlash was edgy at first, but now it's kinda overdue imho...
Seriously, if there was at least a choice in art. But modern classic art is basically non-existent.

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>>130979431
>>130978117

This shitty talking point of "why don't you just make one if its so easy :^)" is everywhere, and its only point is to make you go away. If you show them something you did that's the same, they'll ask why it doesn't make money, if you make a LIVING by selling it they just smugly say there's an audience for it.

They have no idea about the business aspects of art. You can turn anything into a cash cow with the right connections.

>>130979836
>But if I had it would take me 0 effort to make three or four.
Even if you managed to pull that off, which is highly unlikely, they'd only be copies, Rothko himself wasn't copying these compositions from anything.

>>130980036
In fact, Trump had a quote about this.

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>>130980000
Checked

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>>130973363

>>130974633
>that
>not art
kill yourself

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>>130980468

>>130979825
>>130979836
it's obviously you spic shits don't know what you're talking about. you don't know how many layers and to what depth the paintings are made of. i would bet money you can't make lines like that. and probably, you've never seen an actual rothko irl.

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>>130980214
And so what?
I was saying that modern art doesn't require true skill. It's just a scam for money. The one that is better at selling the supposed depth of its art and has the best (((conections))) is the most valued.
0 Beauty 0 skill.
And the people that is actually good is forced or convinced to play the game.

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(((they))) are responsible.

>>130973363
concentration of power into institutions and elites

>>130980000
What's the point of making something beautiful, though? To look at it for a few seconds, maybe a few minutes at most, and walk away? And what does the artist's skill matter to me? Why should I care if he spent months on a single painting for me to look at and say "that's pretty" and got on with my life?

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>>130979885
"The artist is chosen by God to fulfill his commands and must never be overwhelmed by public opinion." -Durer

"All great art is born of the metropolis" - Pound

"I hold that the sum of perfection of form and beauty is in the sum of all men" - Durer

"Great literature is simply language charged with meaning to the utmost possible degree" - Pound

Beauty, meaning, people. Find your favorite artwork and read what the artist of that work wrote or said. It will answer what went into the creation of that art.

>>130980036
you're wrong and no you can't. obviously an imitation of an original concept isn't worth as much.

Modern art is used as the primary means of making black payments largely pioneered by the CIA but they were not the first.

When art no longer requires mastercraft skills you can sell a piece of literal shit for millions. It's the next best thing to owning a $50 printing press.

>>130973363
Anglo was trying to use new forms of art as weapon against their "less progressive" counterparts. They still do that. Amount of funding is immense.

Logic is as follows: we have this canned shit here and north koreans dont, that`s why it is a good thing.

>>130973363
you apparently have a shit taste

>>130973363
>cherrypicking

>>130980646
Aesthetic and beauty is also important. It is inspiring, it feeds the spirit and gives you something to aspire.

The camera killed the first type of painting. Now we yearn for something else.

>have no artistic talent even tho art has become so 'easy'
>talk shit about people who do because artists are getting laid way more than you are

Pictures you can take with a camera are kind of worthless. Sure they can definitely showcase your skill as a painter but it doesn't really push the boundaries of human thought or creativity. It doesn't really make you stop and think about it other than that is a cool scene. It's good that people are trying to create new techniques and ways of creating artwork, rather than just painting another death of Socrates

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>>130980646
Because you see the artist in yourself. It is man-made creation, man at his best in God's image -- as a creator of life.

>>130980927
What the fuck? Are you going to socially shame everyone who disagrees with your shitty view/taste of art?

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>>130978061
>going back to caveman art requires great technical skill

ok barrack hussein soweto

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Why are you guys writing your stuff between wifi signal icons?

>>130980646
Clearly you're not the target audience then are you, just like you're probably not the target audience for a whole bunch of other things you have no interest in.

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>>130980033
It's plenty common, it's just not hung up in galleries all over the place. I grew up near DC and went to the Portrait Gallery a lot, and they have tons of fairly classic impressionist stuff.

Art nerds say that there's a lot more variety in art style today, that however many centuries ago you would only get one fairly universal style iterated again and again, even when that style was theoretically disruptive.

It's like Punk music rebelling against 60s and 70s pop. I'm sure those first few years of scratchy vocals and one-take guitar riffs was a massive relief from Olivia Newton John, but once it became its own structured genre, it became what it was supposed to undermine.

It's the way of all things.

>>130981067
That's the problem, when you put aside the value of things because of nihilism, all the rest is crap.

>>130978719
As if they ever will. Right wingers are too high on their own supply to ever buy a painting.

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>today's art suck

spoken like a true retard

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how does this make you feel

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>>130981646
2016

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>>130981288
Imagine being a human, chilling in southern Spain, who has never seen depictive representations of life before. Where the only symbolic images you've ever seen were notches on an antler. To be the first guy to take the leftover rock dust from shaping adzes and say "I will make a picture of that hyena that killed our old chief" is a pretty extraordinary creative leap. There were no memes to base it on, and I mean that in the original sense.

Watch Cave of Forgotten Dreams if you never have.

>>130981863
With the help of mushrooms I imagine.

>>130973363
Vatican-Roman "Catholics" are using their Jesuits to try and destroy the strength of white civilisations as quikly as possible. In 1817, most papist weren't allowed to vote or have positions in the State, but in the years following they networked their way in and worked to influence _you_ to take in more of their co-religious; whether Poles, Hispanics or other of their type. Anon., it's time to take the red-pill: only a hereditary Christian aristocracy with an established and strong state church can stop this red menace.

>>130980268
“I’ve always felt that a lot of modern art is a con, and that the most successful painters are often better salesmen and promoters than they are artists.”
― Donald J. Trump, Trump: The Art of the Deal

Its like he knows how I make money
>>130980693
No I can't what? Unfortunately you'll have to trust me but I make a living selling scream-o music. Just entertain the thought that someone that makes a living selling "subjectively good" music is telling you its OBJECTIVELY shit unless you train yourself to like it. Modern art is masturbatory and a perversion of the reason why art exists at all.
>>130980927
I'm really angry and smug at how wrong you are. I want to throw girls at you and call it art

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>>130979959
Holy fucking shit is that touhou?

>>130981646
>>130981766
miserable.

>>130981646
hungry

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>>130976530

>>130981199
i shame anyone who has a shitty opinion based on an utter lack of understanding. you don't have to like the art but don't go around saying it's easy or that you can do it, that just highlights your ignorance.

>>130981998
Yes, that one.

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>>130981954

ywn get blitzed on fermented okra with the caveboys and go ham on a scavenged european bison

>>130981998
>quoting donald trump
>sells screamo music
>thinks his opinion is valid

>>130974803
It also became the german word once they got fed up of "Lichtspielhaus"

>>130973363

Because art turned solely into a money laundering racket.

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>>130981766
>>130981646
brendan o'connell shops at walmart for inspiration

dubbed the warhol of walmart his paints sell for 40,000

>>130973363
>>130981971
And, yes that means calling ugly-looking art "beauty" in order to create insanity and therefore weakness in white populations through constant deception, O.P.

Off-topic: I know you're from Sweden but is there someplace online where I may order a copy of the Norwegian-language Bible?

>>130976819
>just 1 non-jewish person in the whole picture
well golly gee would you look at them apples

>>130981863
Kids always try to draw shit even with twigs and clay. They must have discovered that you can mark the wall with rock dust and herbs, then tried to do the same thing. People were not so dumb...

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>>130979363
Jesus, Shad is really fucked in the head

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>>130982106
Yeah it's marisa

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>>130982337
Feels bad, man.
So many historic times we will never get to live out.

Art turned from
>Wow, that's beautiful
to
>Really makes you think, huh

>>130982720

It doesn't even make you think though.

>>130981371
that painting looks like a magicTheGathering card

>>130977192

>brazil
>culture

HUEHUEHUEHUHEUHEUHEUHEUHEUHEUHEUHEUHE

>>130976660
a bit chubby

>>130982847
Basic Island

>>130978669
People drawing furry porn for money don't count.

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>>130982506
Those kids you've seen have all been immersed in some form of modern culture from the day they were born. They grew up in a world of representative figures and complex ideas and clear ideas.

Imagine being a Mowgli-ass wolfchild, who's never had an opportunity to use the creative lobe of his brain outside of looking for a safer path to the watering hole.

The leap to creative art is as significant a human advancement as agriculture or steam energy.

>>130973363
Because of photography and movies. Art is stll amazing if you count anime and comic books.

>>130982376
Precisely. Money is never the inspiration of anything worth keeping.

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>>130973363
Art started happening not in the hands of the artist but the mind of the observer.

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>>130980617
I fixed it for you

>>130973363
1817
>$2 million
1917
>$2 million
2017
>$2 million

Inflation adjusted, numbers fictional but they do illustrate the essential problem with art, that being effort =/= value, unlike what happens with other products.

I was at an artist presentation where this druggie had several different works, and she asked why her rubbish 30-minute pollock shite got instagram likes when her 3-day semi-psychedelic portraits got absolutely nothing.
Of course when you have a (((cartel))) defining what constitutes valuable art, you can rig the system so cheap rubbish gets prime value and maintains that value. I likened it to tax dodging by investing your money into art instead of hiding it offshore.
And that's basically what it is.

>>130979743
Ok, where do you find art like that online? Is there a place where artists sell their originals?

>>130973363
They didn't have cameras in 1817.
What's the point of painting a realistic portrait in this time and age?

Lots of great painters around the world today (like there still are bands that make 80s music).

>>130977205
It's more like
>edgy faggot/artist like you said creates postmodern work that illustrates the chaotic violence via a maelstrom of color on the canvas typical highbrow overinflated nonsense
>(((artist))) sees this
>Neat
>Smears paint on a canvas with his dick
>LOOK GUYS I'M ARTING
>does that piece represent the inherent _____ of the maguffin system?
>Uh.... Sure
>Why this is worth 6 million t. Moshi Shekelberg art critic

It should say something about the state of the world today that (((trained artists))) draw like toddlers while pornographers are rivaling the great masters.

>>130982904
post 5th it would probably be one of those faggy split mana cards (forest/island)

>>130974464
kek never seen that pic

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If any of you guys have even a passing interest in art and the historical trends that helped shape it, you absolutely have to watch the BBC series Civilisation by Kenneth Clark. It's basically two semesters of art history lectures compressed into the most watchable and accessible format possible.

I would make it mandatory viewing if I were ever an educator.

>>130982350
We just call it the bioscoop.

>>130982583
Are ABe's works Art?

>>130973363
Quick money laundry

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>>130982889
Rofl, that's the point.
The music you know when you think of brazil is Tom Jobim, probably ''Garota de Ipanema''.
Also soccer and this pic.
The left killed it, and is still trying to ''discover'' a ''real'' Brazilian culture, when in reality they killed it years ago...

>>130983323
Confirming it's pretty great if you like pre-world war history

>>130979253
What a stupid fucking question.

>>130977884
some kind of desert people with big nose perhaps

>>130973363
Cameras

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>>130983323

Oh, right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6irRrtObMM

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>>130975503
>this and other 4chan memes will not be put in history books as examples of art from our counter-culture even though there's nothing that represents it better
>tfw son comes home with art history book using anti-Trump riot pictures instead

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>>130974754
>You can't get paid through paintings anymore

This Norwegian painter makes quite a bit actually

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>>130982952
yes but reverting to pre-primitive art is a sign of degeneracy, especially considering it's causing the loss of many architectural, drawing and painting techniques that our ancestors mastered over the millenias.
it's an old process that started during the Renaissance though, when all the techniques learned in the middle ages were progressively abandoned in favor of Roman and Pre-Roman ones and that culminated in the Baroque movement.

don't get me wrong I love that shit but no one can deny it's a regression from the Sainte Chapelle or Notre Dame

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>>130983430
Anything on pixiv is art.

>>130983684
>shitpainters make more money than shitposters
I'm in the wrong line of work

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>>130982942
Who said anything about that shit, people make good money painting real paintings still, in this day & age.

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>>130983625

Some memes are more kino than anything that's been created in decades.

>>130983323

He drops anti muslim redpills left and right too.

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>>130983863

>>130983440
>money laundry
Oh this again, so what's the product that generated the money to be laundered exactly ?

>>130981310
I may not be the target audience of art for beauty's sake, but I am a fan of art with meaning. And art with meaning does not necessarily need beauty.

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>>130973363
OP watch Scruton's Documentary on beauty. It will anwser most of your questions.

https://vimeo.com/128428182

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Because modern women today are not beautiful. Back then women were so art was beautiful.

>>130982435
2/10 very poor. That looks like something I would draw. The art world is a scam. The only reason people make money is but getting the famous galleries to show your work. Art is about networking and getting your name out there. It has nothing to do with talent now.

>>130973363
Jews hate everything that is beautiful. Disgusting beings

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>>130983778
Sure. Art evolves, art advances as humans advance and change their ideas. But there are times when, looking back, unworthy ideas and trends make their way to the top.

If you consider art to be a good barometer for society as a whole, then you do have to admit that after a couple centuries of patronage, the Church became more of a stifling force on art than a nurturing one, and at the same time the Protestants decided to nearly ban art altogether in favor of music and literature.

It's a mistake to idealize the past, but it's also a mistake to accept change as being for the absolute good.

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Modern art is the product of globalization through stuff like the internet and also the pseudo-intellectualism that is so popular in today's society. There are a lot more artists today and better means for people to view art (like the internet) so there is more competition for artists to be edgy and unique so artists pander to the pseudo-intellectuals through modern art because putting a painted urinal in an art gallery is "deep" and "thought provoking." There is still great art being made, it's just modern art tends to float to the top because of the current state of our society.

>>130984161
>uuuu look at this dude

>>130973363
Because art changed from a highly disciplined display of a technical and rare skill to "expression." Now anyone who "expresses their feelings" can be an artist, which means everyone can be an artist, since everyone has feelings.

Unless your art is a callback to your feelings for greater art, than you're racist because other nations fail to meet that standard, sexist because women fail to meet the standard, and imperialist because the world fails to meet that standard.

Art was democratized---and ruined, as all things are by the demos.

>>130983323
10/10 series

>>130984362
Fucking frenchies...
But I love that painting.

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>>130983920
They transcend time as well

>>130983454

Actually, I think of two different types of organisms in that shithole of yours: subhumans and transsexuals.

There never was a brazilian culture unless you count narcotics-addicted 7 year olds spending their days living under bridges and robbing people, until the Police finally execute them in the street like dogs.

Fuck brazil and fuck you. What a disgusting armpit of the world.

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>>130984049
I'd actually love an equivalent series about the Central Asian artistic and intellectual scene, if only to give Muslims a view of their past that isn't austere sandscapes and camels.

PBS actually just produced one for Africa that is pretty level-handed and stays away from We Wuz territory pretty well, called Africa's Great Civilizations.

>>130984362
absolutely beautiful painting