Political Violence is a Game the Right Can't Win

>>130956868
>Political Violence is a Game the Right Can't Win
Pinochet thread?

>>130956868
Travel ban protests are literally all bought and paid for by George Soros. If there's money involved, you can get people to do practically anything. Real protests by left wingers never actually happens, 99% are staged and faked

>>130956974
This has more to do with the right in general, not the authoritarian right, which would be better at dealing with coordination because it focuses on the state
>>130957635
No, non-violent protesters are bought and paid for so that those non-violent people can make violent people.

>>130956868
>they lack the coordination needed to win it
Leftie is projecting. They know damn well that the Right is already organized in many ways when a civil war happens. There are militias, preppie groups, KKK, neonazis, and others more than willing to cooperate on something like wiping out the Left from America (like literal RWDS). Lefties cannot even cooperate on getting Demshits into office, let alone organize some kind of violent resistance against the Right whom some are current/former military, mercs, law enforcement, and so on. And even if most right-wing groups cannot coordinate, the military can and will easily cull the Left.

The Left will all die, with minimal Right casualties.

>(((jacobitemag.com)))
The (((Left))) must be scared that they're trying to bluff their way out of it. But it's too late. The Right is already conditioned to not believe what the (((media))) says, so any (((lies))) will be left unheard. There's no stopping this RWDS train, and the concentration camps it will lead to. Be very afraid.

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He makes a good point. We need a non pozzed Tea Party type movement for 2018 mid terms and beyond. We need to unite and organize anyone right-wing. Look at the left and all of their organizations like Antifa, Redneck Revolt, La Raza, Indivisble USA, and so on rubbing elbows. We HAVE TO start organizing or we will get BTFO on a local political level. That's what the left is doing - training people to run for all types of local offices and government positions in your town and county. A take over from all sides. I WARNED YOU

>leftists organize massive protest rally in shopping mall with hundreds present
>a group of seven right wingers with rifles and pistols show up and kill hundreds of the defenseless lefties

wow smart we will lose guys they have more cucks than we have bullets

Thats what happens when Soros runs all the left parties.

>>130958659
>Letftie
Do you know what "Jacobite" means?

You're reading about the most Right-Wing publication of any reasonable quality.

That said I also mostly disagree with the author.

>>130956868
thats a stupid argument lol. liberals are unemployed hyperbolic babies that will gather and protest over nothing. right-wingers need to be pushed into a corner before they stop going to work and start fighting back.

if every liberal shows up for a protest, thats just normal. if every conservative shows up for a protest, the very structure of society would fall apart within days.

his problem is that he thinks the right is full on assault mode as the left probably is at this moment
just wait until the right starts caring

>they lack the coordination needed to win
>jacobite

remember a few years ago when a small group of hicks took over and withstood a siege of some ranger station in oregon?

Meanwhile leftists are constantly turning on each other over who'se more oppressed

>>130958927

those are all jokes. faggoty upset kids that don't vote desperate for attention, i hate that anyone takes them the least bit seriously

>>130956868

I've been saying this on here for a while now... when it comes to a left vs right conflict, the right would be utterly fucked.

The left excels in community organizing, they have people walking around who are scientifically skilled in it. They have been doing it for decades.

It troubles me to great extend to see how all these dumbasses here claim they'll win because hurr durr muh guns.

The right needs to find a comonlity and rally around it. If you dont start educating yourselves and start organizing, you'll glorious war will be over within a month, with all of you being ditched in the gutters with your brains blown out of you skulls.

screencap this.

The left may be able to organize people for violence, but that usually temporary and tends to run out of steam quickly. The right can hold on to locations for months on end.

>>130956868
How can he think the right will have the military and police but no coordination? Without memeing that makes no sense.

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>>130956868
This retard isn't imagining that all of the normal people focused on their jobs and own lives being dragged into a war will make them somehow less useful than the hobos they pay to protest for Soros?

What?

does anyone have that screencap detailing this? it went into the different strategies the right and left might use in the future.

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>>130956868
>So what if the right has guns, and the military
>We have Facebook meetups!

>>130958659
The problem is not that there are not groups that can defend themselves, the problem is that they will be crushed by the entirety of the left if it does not team up with the other groups
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>>130959172
>>130959847
If the left has the number advantage and have no jobs, they are more dangerous than any small group of trained militia. If these radicals who have all the time possible in the world to train for their attacks, with a 10 to 1 number advantage, who has the upper hand?

>>130959847

Facebook and social media cut both ways.

I think the left genuinely thinks the right is just old people.

>>130956868
>" Say the balloon were to suddenly go up: forget having a detailed and specific plan; in that first five minutes, do you — not some veterans’ network you’re hoping will salvage things, not some imaginary Great Man; *specifically you* — even know who you’re going to call?"
I do. For those of you who still don't, fix your shit ASAP.

>>130960061
You realize the article was written by a Right-Winger on a Right-Wing website.

>>130959937

it doesn't matter though. i don't care if kekistanis and antifa wave flags at each other all week, what we do here is more valuable.

>>130956868
We don't need it other than personal defense. All we have to do is step back and allow the irrational antifa/blm/commie wing of the opposition stage one chimpout after the other. The less vocal but much larger and more rational center of their ideology is looking to the lifeboats. Once they abandon ship maybe our side can similarly disregard our stupid, but noisy outliers and the adults can talk it out.

>>130956868
>Political Violence is a Game the Right Can't Win
Translation: "Oy vey goyim! You can't fight and win so you better not even try to fight in the first place!"

>>130959187
>remember a few years ago when a small group of hicks took over and withstood a siege of some ranger station in oregon?
Do you remember when it was revealed that like half of those people were actually undercover Feds?

>>130960693
>I did not read the article

Retard.

>>130956868

Good luck beating the entire military on top of all the militias you spineless libby faggots.

>>130960179
kek true, even better if you're the one getting called. A small group of loyal friends can always help turn the tide.

>>130956868
OH just you wait.

WANDERING RIGHT WING DEATH SQUADS VISITING YOUR TOWN SOON. PREPARED TO GET Das Reich'd.

He's right of course which is why the reaction to Stev Scalise, the Dallas police assassinations, the retard in Chicago, etc was precisely ZERO

There won't be a war because the right won't show up

>>130960860
Isn't the military leadership completely cucked ? Would they be confortable ordering soldiers to shoot leftist kids ?

>>130959937
if they were capable of foresight and training they wouldn't be hopeless "radicals" walking around shouting dumb slogans about their feelings.

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>>130956868
>The left isn't divided

Lmao ,not only are most of the left to cowardly to take up arms , but the left is no more of a cohesive unit than the right. Daily Reminder that communists fucking hate liberals , and demsoc fags hate neoliberals, and different kinds of feminists constantly bitch each other out, and different kinds of ethnic groups have different interest that often collide with one another.

>>130961129

Trump controls the military completely. He could order the purge right now and it would happen.

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>>130959937
>If the left has the number advantage and have no jobs
The left also can't keep it's mouth shut. All of their activities are on social media, including their militias and gun clubs. FFS they even have a pathetic youtube video where they shoot at hand drawn pepes. A big part of leftist street tactics is show more power than you actually have. The kick in the dick they received at Berkeley should show that they are not invincible, and that the right is catching up when it comes to organizing. You don't hear about it because the right doesn't brag about it.

All the right has to do is stay focused on self defense. Let the left continue to escalate like they have been. I'll be going to the range with my friends and running more intense shooting drills under the radar. I'm prepared to defend my community in need be If you don't already have a plan for their inevitable chimpout you're a retard.

>>130960761
so it took weeks for the feds to disperse them even while they had half of the group compromised?

>>130959937
all the time in the world doesnt matter when your group is made up of teenagers, shitskins, and drug addicts

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That's cute

>>130961367

Not to mention the big majority of veterans are right wing. When the shit really hits the fan, knowing how to win gun fights is all that's going to matter. Your ten brainwashed marxists will get those brains splattered in short order by one real marksmen.

>the Tea Party has barely been able to do anything of use.

It's remnants elected Trump.

From antifa clashes we see they are routed the second they're faced against any structured unit.

>>130956868

He's right.

>>130956868
>The right needs to begin to work together to see their goals met

Wow, I had no idea the fucking election of Donald Trump wasn't cooperation among the right. Fuck off.

>>130956868
>even though the right may have the guns and the military, police force, etc, they lack the coordination needed to win it. The left can easily bring people out to an airport the next day to protest a travel ban, while groups like the Tea Party has barely been able to do anything of use.

What? That literally makes no sense though. OK, so the left goes out and pickets with signs. Gee whiz, they sure do know how to win a civil war then! NOT THE SIGNS, PLEASE GOD NO!

But seriously, this is the lefts weakness. How could they win a hypothetical civil war if they lack the conviction to actually cause harm?

>>130956868
The author imagine a civil war as Trump protests or Pussy Hat march, but on a bigger scale.

The most potent weapon of the left is that, in a system where political violence is restricted, they have the support of most of the institutions, allowing them to be the only one to exert small-time political violence: lawyers, financial support, lenient judges...

In a civil war, all those institution are out of service, 99% of the Left organizations are rendered absolutely useless in the face of the RWDS.

>>130956868

All the organizational ability in the world means nothing without leaders or concrete goals, something revolutionary movements of late have been severely lacking in.

Just see the Arab Spring in Egypt or Occupy Wall street for examples of the "efficacy" of modern leftist "revolutions". They're pathetic.

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>half the posts ITT assume that the article is written by a leftist
>haven't even read it

I sure am in great company here.

>>130956868
>Political Activism is the same thing as a war
This is why the right is better, they are divided and don't follow one single ideology. They only unite when absolutely necessary.

>>130961811
> We would totally win the civil war !
> Can't even read.

>>130956868
>The right can't win, my Jewish author told me so!

Wew lad, better surrender then

>>130961739
OWS is a great exemple : in case of civil war, there won't even be a Left to fight. The Black & latino will start looting, Pajama boy will delete all his lefty social media accounts, and feminists will offer blowjobs to any NAHTZEE willing to protect her from Dindu Rape Squads.

>economic crisis leads to civil war (only possible cause)
>suddenly the right has just as much free time during the day as the left

Theory destroyed.

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>>130961811
Is the Cuckristian flag the new Leaf ?

>>130961896

The OP said he summarized the author's main arguments, which are pretty disingenuous. If he's not a leftist he's certainly not a knowledgeable conservative either

>>130956868
>The left can easily bring people out to an airport the next day to protest a travel ban, while groups like the Tea Party has barely been able to do anything of use.

So what they're saying is one side (right) have jobs, and the other side (left) don't?

We knew that already.

>>130956868

They're getting nervous now.

Their fear is delicious.

>>130961738
RWDS exist in your imagination only.

>>130962113
I know you haven't read the article either.

>>130962191
>they
Jacobite is literally a reactionary website, retard.

>>130956868
We wont need political violence. In a civil war patriotism takes over.
You'd be surprised how quickly humans can organize themselves under effective leadership. And no, Trump won't be that leader. He's a face and an ideal, not a general.

>>130956868
>David Hines' argument, he believes that the right cannot win a supposed civil war cut up between the left and the right
Franco won the Spanish Civil War against commies, socialists and anarchists.

>>130961811
I've read that one and https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/

I've also read Alinsky and other leftist curmudgeons writings. I know where I stand, and I know that the left isn't some invincible monster that everyone makes it out to be. They have their infighting and problems as well.

>>130956868
What a retarded argument. Does he really think if a full blown civil war broke out, conservatives wouldn't be able to organize?

The reason conservatives don't protest like liberals is because they're out working and being productive. That actually suggests they'd be MORE organized in an armed conflict.

>>130956868
This is a retarded article. He compares it to the US civil war, but there is no comparison. In the civil war, both sides had able military men. Today, the right has practically all of them.

The left's advantages are systemic and institutional, two advantages which will not hold in the case of a civil war.

Basically, this author is a dunce and should quit writing.

>>130962349
>reactionary
Found the leftist.

>>130961288
I have no friends and I live in a shitty apartment surrounded by leftists. I might as well just kiss my ass goodbye if a category 5 chimpout happens.

>>130962184
RTFA; Leftists spend all their day organising themselves for political action, while right wing are mostly wagecucking and larping RWDS.

Having a job doesn't help you much when your boss is a leftist.

>>130962425
We'll, I don't really have a problem with that. What I have a problem with is fags on /pol/ having a knee-jerk reaction to any criticism.

>>130956868

OP is correct, the "new" right spends too much time squabbling about ideology instead of unifying. Franco won the Spanish Civil War because the fascists remained united while the communists, anarchists, and socialists squabbled amongst themselves over ideology and eventually turned on one another.

We need to stop pretending there is a dominant ideology or motive on the right other than a reaction against the left, and build bridges with every group that is on board. That means degenerates like Milo, people who can't be totally trusted like PJW, and even those brought on board by the likes of Lauren Southern. Attempts at dogmatism on our part, other than with regards to beating the left, weaken us.

The path to victory involves organizing, some times along side those who are only partially redpilled. We need communication and networking to win should the left turn violent en-masse, as isolated armed groups who have never talked to each can and WILL be overrun and destroyed by a semi-organized leftist mob. We call republican chucks cucks because they have chosen stupid ideological notions such as "civility" as hills to die on: we can't afford to make the same mistake with our own ideologies.

>>130959120
>You're reading about the most Right-Wing publication of any reasonable quality.
NRx is not right wing. And neither is that publication.

>>130962684
That's where I disagree. Everything past the FR is leftism to me.

>>130956868
>my team is better than your team and here's why!
Basically sums this up. Libfags can organize all they want and destroy property but the smallest percentage of them cause harm to another human, especially in plain clothing. There's a reason the most violent liberals are covered head to toe

>>130962830
I disagree.

>>130962830
Reactionaries are not right wing ! -- Said the national SOCIALIST. kys

The Right doesn't need to be violent. All they have to do is cut off the Left and watch them starve.

>>130962349
No, it's an NRx magazine. The title is spoofing Jacobin mag. They aren't literally jacobites (obviously).

>>130960314
That doesn't make it any less retarded. The main reason the Right doesn't organize is in part because they have jobs. For the Left, protesting and organizing IS a job. If a civil war were to actually break out, there would be organizing, because a chunk of people would be busy fighting a war or just supporting the army (lol, you think the army is going to fight for the Left?). Look at that one Berkley antifa beatdown. The free-speech protesters were outnumbered heavily in a very Left wing area, and the Left STILL got its ass beat. Large numbers can be beaten with better tactics. The left can get people together, but can they do anything more complicated that pack together and hold signs? Antifa uses pack tactics and they get their ass beat against some pasty looking Right wing young adults anyway. The Left wing has always reminded me of the way high schoolers who never achieve anything act. They can't organize in a meaningful fashion and they fall apart under even a little opposition.

>>130962194
What do you think would happen if one formed today, leaf ?

a civil war would just be stupid anyway, the right and left both have a common enemy that they could bring down if they put both their skill sets together instead of taking the divide and conquer bait

>>130959409
>all these dumbasses here claim they'll win because hurr durr muh guns.
The average Bubba is worth a dozen limp-wristed antifa scum. You have a gross underestimation of the power of people who hunt things for fun. By all means, continue doing so.

>>130956868
We can try.

>>130959937
You're a fucking moron if you really believe that all you need is more numbers to win a war.

>>130963073
There's a whole article explaining why they are though. And actually plenty of NRxers identify as jacobites

>>130963223
>lol
Fuck off redditor.

>>130962785
It isn't knee jerk. The author is objectively a fucking retard who doesn't understand the sort of modern conflicts we would see today. Ability of trotskyists to mobilize tons of virtue signalling women doesn't mean shit.

>>130956868
>The right needs to begin to work together to see their goals met. While you may say that some groups according to your political ideology are "faggots", "degenerates" "shills" or a mixture of all three, it is necessary for right-wing political groups to work together if they ever want to see their goals blossom into fruition. I know that it is uncomfortable for the Nazis to mingle in with the Anarcho-Capitalists and more moderate constitutional groups, but if anyone here wants to go "post-political" (so to speak), then you need to reach out to other political factions to prevent a total desecration of what your currently small political movement is.
I've been saying this for ages. A lot of the bullshit I see may just be D&C bullshit posted (here and at other places) by shills, but nevertheless, there seems to be less ability to work together towards a common goal on the right, and this is troubling. I see so much of this. Trump is a good uniting force, but we need to understand that the common enemy here is so substantial and determined that we need to cut the fucking crap and really stand by each other.

>>130956868
david hines (article author) is a self-described screenwriter. fiction is nice when one needs to tune out reality.

>we should all work together
yes yes, but how?

The reason leftists don't give a shit who they associate with is because they lack morals, meanwhile on the right we're obsessed with morality.

Just look at how people reacted to that Rebel Media interrupting a anti-Trump play shitshow, yeah sure it was tasteless as fuck, it was exactly what leftists would've done, but constantly doing the "Ezra Levant's a Jew, Gavin is a cuck" shtick makes the commies stronger. So what if we have to share platform with r/TheDonald? They're fucking useful, they just seem retarded to us, and us alone.

Same with Richard Spencer vs. TRS drama, same with fucking Mike "I don't like people that are organising a pro-free speech rally, which is why I'm organising my own at the same time, despite no reasonable incentive to do so" Cernovich, it's really really stupid doing that. The left don't give a shit, any given DNC candidate won't have any qualms sharing platform with antifa, they know MSM will be behind them anyway, they also don't see anything amoral about antifa, they just know they can't openly support it.

If the Right wants to win, we need to normalize fascism, there's no way around it. You gotta extend the Overton, and everyone needs to help out. That also means that people outside the window must accept the help from "cucks", again; no way around it.

Either this, or Corbyn/Sanders types will be in charge in a few decades, then God help us.

>>130961129
Leadership acquires the guns, subordinates pull the trigger. No rifle is going to listen to some Libfag CO when civil war breaks out

>>130963027
jews vault

>>130963408
>Fuck off redditor.
>hurr I have no argument
If I was reddit, I'd be using reddit spacing. Now come up with an actual argument instead of doing damage control for a shitty article

>>130956868
>military coordination is the same as protest coordination

what a stupid assumption to make

>>130962712
Die in a pile of your own brass. Don't go out like a punk bitch.

>>130962785
>>130962909
Alright, I jumped the gun on that one. Reactionary is almost always a term thrown around by leftists. My problem with articles like this, both written by the same guy, is that he portrays the left as unbeatable. They have their advantages and disadvantages. Dave is ignoring the disadvantages in this one. The 351 article was much better. The left is incredibly arrogant right now and is overplaying their hand. Instead of stepping back and taking a look at why they had their ass handed to them, they continue to use the same MO. Now they are forming militia groups publicly, which is also a terrible idea because thats how you get honeypotted by the FBI.

The reason you see a knee-jerk reaction to any criticism is because that criticism isn't always well constructed or take all factors into account. That guy that shot up a baseball field? Guess what, he escalated the violence. Now the left has to backtrack because their usual plan is to trigger their opponent into violence.

>>130956868
>you may have the guns veterans, cops, and food
>but we can slow down airports!
Checkmate Atheists.

>>130958659
>The (((Left))) must be scared that they're trying to bluff their way out of it. But it's too late. The Right is already conditioned to not believe what the (((media))) says, so any (((lies))) will be left unheard. There's no stopping this RWDS train, and the concentration camps it will lead to. Be very afraid.
I will say that I don't doubt the essential validity of this statement, at all. Things ARE changing. I just don't want anything to hold that up.

>>130962716
> RTFA; Leftists spend all their day organising themselves for political action
War isn't waged with signs and cry-ins.
Having Soro-paid lawyers on retainer doesn't stop bullets. It becomes absolutely worthless when SHTF.

>>130959409
>excels in community organizing
that just makes them completely dependent on their leaders. without them they would dissolve.
it would in fact make the rights job alot easier.

>>130963427
>this oversimplification is why author is objectively a retard
Very convincing.

>>130963597
I don't owe you an argument. Learn to fit in or fuck off.

>>130959172
>if every conservative shows up for a protest, the very structure of society would fall apart within days.
(((hyperbole)))

>>130962563
Liberals have jobs too. The difference is that liberals base their identity around their political beliefs while most cons do not. That is why you see a lot more liberals shouting on your social media than your conservative associates.

>>130959187
What I remember is that they ultimately got off the hook. It was expected that they'd go to prison but they did not. All my libshit acquaintances were furious about that.

>>130963597
>shitting at spacing
Yeah, becauase not liking walls of text in Reddit thing.

>>130963522

You understand completely. We need to ally and organize with all the groups who want to see the left destroyed, be it drama queens like Spencer or degenerates like Milo. We have the numbers to continue imposing our will as long as we act as ONE interest group.

In-group bickering and eventual fracturing is what destroys leftist movements, we must be better.

>>130960761
Fuck off. Stop trying to play on right-wing caution and paranoia, we've moved well past that.

>>130961811
The article is shit

>>130963525
> No rifle is going to listen to some Libfag CO when civil war breaks out
They're doing it right now, why would they stop ? You just assume that in the event of a war, everything will magically organise itself the way we want. If we're not prepared, if we do not have the networks in place, already organised, then we've got fuckall.

>>130956868
People will shit on it but he's right. On the right there's no cohesion or ability to organize. The left has the advantage in terms of money for professional organizers but we need to start building our own networks, political clubs and the like. A revolution is won or lost based on the ability of sides to organize and respond and on the right we basically just eschew any attempts at it which will inevitably lead to failure if/when the time comes.

>>130964186
Great contribution, keep it up.

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>>130963826
>I don't owe you an argument. Learn to fit in or fuck off.
Yes you do you fucking nigger. You know you're fucking wrong, but keep on making yourself look even more retarded. I wouldn't be surprised if you're actually the redditor here, and so self conscious of it that you have to virtue signal to ignore the fact.

>>130962712
If nothing else, you can acquire explosives and take them with you.

>>130961129
Don't forget about alllll those Obama hires.
And I hate to burst your bubble, but everyone in the military is not automatically right-wing. The modern military is full of hispanics, for example, and quite a few nogs and other assorted shitskins. You think they're all conservative? Fat fucking chance. n.b. don't count on ANY military or police from the LA area.

Police are a way better bet generally though. Plenty of cucks there too but they'll get taken out FAST if the shit really hits the fan. A lot of good officers have been itching to do that anyway.

>>130961542
>700 liberals form a protest screaming "if you shoot us you are racist and a homophobe"

>all bullets are deflected by dawkins himself and the lefties win

>>130963716
> War isn't waged with signs and cry-ins.
It isn't waged without organisation either, and right now there's nothing in place to make sure that the police and military would have a right wing leadership in the event of a civil war.

>>130959321
Shit like this is why things are doomed. Internet identitarians who want to LARP as Nazis on 4chan because doing something is "for fags" and they get triggered by Chanology. Little better than the lefty slacktivists who do nothing but cry on twitter.

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>>130956868
>they lack the coordination needed to win it. The left can easily bring people out to an airport the next day to protest a travel ban, while groups like the Tea Party has barely been able to do anything of use
This was the weakest part of his argument. It's ludicrous to simply say "The Tea Party can't get anything done." Eight years ago, when the Team Party came into being, it was able to transform large scale protest into actual political change, electing a wave of "far right" candidates to congress. The left wing equivelent, Occupy Wall Street, fizzled out, as it lacked the organizational skills to prevent it's message from devolving from "Fuck Banks" (a popular, universal message) to "Fuck White People" (Less popular). The reason the Right was able to do this was through massive amounts of dedicated, professional organization. You can say that it was made possible because the Tea Party was co-opted by moneyed interests, and I wouldn't disagree, but Hines is wrong to say that the Right does not have any coordination.

His stronger argument comes to the logistics of violence, where he correctly points out that the Left has a history of allowing "legitimate" groups to provide aid and comfort to literal terrorist groups, such as the Weathermen. However, if "the balloon went up," this advantage would be short term at best.

As for the question of who I would call, that's really not a concern. In the opening days of a conflict, you don't need to be part of an organized cell to advance the cause. An individual is fully capable of scoping out and firebombing local targets, without having BLM to hold his hand.

>>130962999
That's because you're an idiot. NRx is the definition of left wing.

>>130963870
t. never had a job that involved work

>>130964535
I'm perfectly fine with allowing the readers decide which one of us is the redditor.

>>130964676
>And I hate to burst your bubble, but everyone in the military is not automatically right-wing.
The vast majority of them are friendo.

>>130963522
Fucking this.

>>130963027
NRx=/=Reactionary dumbass. It's a misnomer. NRx is a rationalist, technocratic, bourgeois, utilitarian ideology, i.e. the very definition of left wing.

>>130964921
Nice post m8

>>130964970
Why?

>>130956868
K

>>130965055
this is changing unfortunately. whites are being strongarmed out of the military in lieu of niggers and spics.

>>130958659
And in the most important way, we control the government. That's quite a bit of organization wouldn't you say?

>>130964535
>I wouldn't be surprised if you're actually the redditor
IDGAF shut the fuck up about Reddit. If you want to write an unreadable wall of text, go for it. If someone else wants to use paragraphs, fine. Cut the crap.

>>130963408
>There's a whole article explaining why they are though.
Except they aren't, because they don't understand what right wing means anyway.
>>130963408
>And actually plenty of NRxers identify as jacobites
Because NRxers are autistic larpers who don't understand politics.

>>130965207
>whites are being strongarmed out of the military in lieu of niggers and spics.
Not nearly at the scale that everyone on this site would make it out to be. Combat arms is still heavily right wing, and I doubt the Obama era policies of social experimentation with the tool we use to kill things is going to continue. I hope Mattis unfucks it.

>>130961811
>Man, the right would be totally blown the fuck out by those leftest, who are so cool, smart and organized. They shouldn't even bother show up, even if the last decade has proven that the Right is better at achieving results at a community level
>t. Not A Progressive

Fuck off David, your article is shit.

>>130965055
They WERE. Obama, Obama, Obama. He, and the forces allied behind him, were organized and cunning as fuck. If Hillary had been elected...thank God she was not.

Nevertheless, many can still be counted on, you're right about that. And more will come out of reserves and retirement where Obamaism pushed them.

>>130961738
This, the disparity in organization between the two sides is entirely dependent on the fact that being a right wing extremist gets you fired from your job and being a left wing extremist does not

>>130956868
The right would be filled with normal people though, the left would be political radicals.

>>130965136
> rationalist, technocratic, bourgeois, utilitarian
Those have nothing to do with left or right, they're just things you don't like.

>>130964921
The Tea Party showed our potential, I think. We need to take it further, and more solidly, and beware--constantly--of infiltrators, big money, traitors and human trash.

>>130963826
It isn't oversimplification. The thesis of the article is that the left is good at organizing. But who are they good at organizing and for what purposes? They are good at organizing women and low status men who believe they can get laid if they follow these women. They are good at organizing these people for virtue signalling events that involve no personal risk or commitment.

The kinds of people the left organizes, women and unstable men, are widely known as liabilities in warfare.

>>130964991
I work sixty hours a week. But if the call comes, yes, I will take off work and mobilize. Fuck off with your irrelevant, time-wasting teenager responses.

>>130965512
>And more will come out of reserves and retirement where Obamaism pushed them.
They will for sure. The GWOT vets, or at least the ones I know, are not happy with the current state of things.

>>130965136
So an irrationalist, worker-class, democratic ideology would be Right-Wing in your opinion?

>>130965384
I dunno man. Another shitposters told me that nazis are autistic larpers who don't understand politics. Really don't know whom to believe here.

>>130956868

This all depends entirely on how tied up law enforcement is.

As soon as bubba realizes he can sneak into the city with a .300BLK rifle, suppressed, with subsonic ammo is the day most leftists run into hiding while the small minority of leftists remaining retaliate and escalate things further.

And if things escalate further you can expect more people to participate.

>>130959409

the right needs to go further right. Republicans would not win a civil war, but fascists might

>>130965462
>I hope Mattis unfucks it.
That guy gives me so much hope. I don't know what the scale of infiltration is, but I just think people should be aware of potential issues, and not make too many assumptions. That's all.

>>130964276
Shooting at mud is different than shooting your own countrymen. I have plenty of first in last outs in my family, they said they'd shoot their CO before turning their guns on their own country.

>>130965207
>whites are being strongarmed out of the military in lieu of niggers and spics
Not in combat positions.

>>130965865
>nazis are autistic larpers
Not a Nazi, but I've found that they are anything but autistic larpers, for the most part. There are some real tards at Stormfront, but I suspect they're just literally the front. The real Nazis who converse here and other places, a couple of whom I know IRL, are smart as fuck, very well educated and professional, and absolutely committed to their principles. In a way they've been the canaries in the coal mine, alerting all grades and types of right-wingers and conservatives to what was going wrong, and how bad it was, long before most would've otherwise noticed.

>>130965865
>So an irrationalist, worker-class, democratic ideology would be Right-Wing in your opinion?
Irrationalist, aristocratic (not the same as bourgeois-technocratic as NRx seems to believe), and hierarchical. Again, you don't even know what "right" means if you automatically jump to the conclusion you did.

>>130965961
but how would they feel about firing on rebels who seek to destroy our country's values?

calling the left "our own countrymen" is misleading and assumes we start the conflict, but we both know that isn't true. I know a lot of veterans who would not hesitate to combat an insurrection from the left.

>>130956868
Historically speaking, the radical left have much better opsec and coordination than the usual clumsy lynch-crowds and church-burners that typify the radical right.

The Unabomber was probably the only real exception, but even his commique opsec was terrible, because his idiosyncratic ramblings got him caught

>>130966352
Yeah, I don't agree. I think you basically described NRx 2bh. Save for the irrationalist part mayhaps.

>>130965950
Agreed, 100 percent. Mattis will do a lot of good and morale is starting to come back up a little bit.

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>>130956868
I think the author is right about a lot, but neglects this;

>left wing riots over small insignificant things like how many genders there are and cause damage by petty vandalism of random things
>right wing may have smaller numbers of protesters, but they are more well-trained, less likely to rat on each other and aim for their target before they strike
>left wing is easily pissed into expending their energy at minor things
>right wing is a sleeping giant that rarely gets awakened, but is hell when it does

Case and point, the ATF burning down the Branch Davidians' church and sniping Weaver's family. It caused OKC, which (yes, it was legitimately a terrible terrorist attack, not making excuses) IMMEDIATELY forced the feds to completely rewrite their rules of engagement. They also prevented another similar incident in Montana with the Montana Freemen. That was the beginning of the modern militia movement, which only gained strength after Obama was elected, and is still growing with more media coverage of State Security Force III%. They have few guys, but they actually understand how to operate weapons.

>someone post a pic of Antifa gun club

Those leftists could be defeated immediately in actual combat. Of course I'm only talking about theoretical FAR extremes here, but the scenario is a future civil war so I'm playing armchair general.

>>130956868

>Liberals are not fit to be citizens of a free republic. In a way, it's a good thing that they are starting a civil war because that will give us a way to correct that mistake.

So immediately there are three arguments in favor of the right and only one for the left, kek good one retard.

>>130960761
>feds heavily compromised that group
>still took weeks to disperse them
lol this isn't helping your case

>>130959409
how do they organize? facebook? that wont work when the power goes down.

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>>130963398
Backing that up with pic related, the battle at The Hot Gates. Numbers don't really mean shit when you have superior tactics, logistics and training.

Quantity has a quality all it's own, but at some point, that doesn't mean much when you're not that outnumbered and your ability to destroy is many folds greater.

>>130965330
Found the redditor.

>>130966635
>Yeah, I don't agree
Again, because you're retarded.

>I think you basically described NRx 2bh
No, I didn't. NRx is none of what I listed.

>Save for the irrationalist part mayhaps
Which is a key differentiation between left and right (possibly the most fundamental distinction).

>>130956868
> Political Violence is a Game the Right Can't Win
buy any weapon and you will prove yourself otherwise

>>130966571
>the radical left have much better opsec
>literally organize on facebook

>>130965896
Bubba doesnt have a 300 Blackout rifle. That round is a meme round. Bubba has an AR 15 in 5.56 and a 308 hunting rifle.

A 308 can do everything a 300 Blackout can do, only better.

>>130967334
hell fuck weapons i have my fists

>>130956868
>Right has all the guns and ammo
>Left has all the pink haired star bucks baristas who are on Facebook organizing "protests" all day

>Six heavily armed guys on the right show up to day one of civil war LA
>900 unarmed pink haired landwhales show up on the left

Well, I guess I don't know anything about genders. But I do know that guns>no guns.

I'd take 3 lions over 300 sheep any day.

>>130966571
Where? The right in china wiped out the commies until the japanese weakened them, the germans wiped out the commie revolutionaries in ww1, paramilitaries in columbia wiped out the commies, pinochet threw them out of helicopters, where did the left win? I can only think of russia but they were severly weakened by the war.

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>>130965905
It's time, burgers. You can still redeem yourselves and safe us all!

>>130967369
> literally organize on facebook
Are you retarded ? Facebook is a terrific organisation tool, the only thing that sucks about it is that it's controlled by leftists.

>>130967378
His point was about the fact that 300 BLK was designed to be fired suppressed from a short barrel... so I would think there is one thing it can do better.

>>130967369
That's not who I'm talking about. This is who I'm talking about.

http://www.animalliberationfront.com/ALFront/Activist%20Tips/Direct_Action-Guide.htm

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>>130956868

Right Wing usually tears itself a part over "purity."

>>130956868
The Right's lack of centralization and public profile is exactly why they would win any kind of armed civil conflict, and the Left's inexplicable need to broadcast their every move and make a hashtag and a club and a sign for every movement is exactly why they would lose.

10 Left wingers with twitter accounts can rally 100 unemployed retards at an airport or a mall for a protest the next day.
1 Right winger with a .22 rifle and nothing better to do on a weekday night can shoot a couple dozen transformers and cut power to 1000 homes.

We don't need to be doing anything different.

>>130967643
The right weakening commies only emboldens the commies because human nature inherently wants to believe in some perfect utopia that can't exist.

>In China those right wingers were driven out by Maoists
>Look at Germany now
>Columbia has basically a government of commie guerillas in the jungle
>Chile is an exception but is becoming leftist, starting with the universities

The left plays the long game.

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>>130958659
Jews often say the opposite of the truth. They know their time grows short.

>>130959409
>The left excels in community organizing
>Bubba and his friends spend an afternoon shooting electrical transformers and cell tower transmitters
>without kikebook and Twatter, the left's organizational capabilities are completely excised
>Bubba and friends all stay in touch via shortwave radio.

>>130968059
>tfw I'm a licensed tech
>tfw my ham bros in the states have fucking Naval submarine batteries
>tfw he can communicate with people on the other side of the planet for 8 months after the power is cut

One of the major problems the Right has in organizing is the government / Deep State is against us, because we represent the greatest threat.

Therefore any organization that gains any degree of memebership or results will be immediately infiltrated by the FBI and other letter agencies. All comms will be closely monitored.

Good luck developing something to counter this. Youre going to have to go very low tech and Sun Tzu. Start with an innocuous front organization, something like Boy Scouts or Freemasons. Bonus points if its explicitly non-racial yet is designed to attract mostly whites/nationalist allies (use patriotic themes or go camping a lot, anything that will deter lefties / non whites). Then from there, use high social IQ individuals to recruit people they know can be trusted into a smaller, secret inner organization. This makes it much harder for infiltrators. Learn hacking, tracking, comms techniques so you can spy on potential infiltrators. Use low tech comms to avoid your messages being intercepted.

Needs to be fleshed out more but that would be a good start.

>>130967889
As if the left isn't doing that at this very moment. Look at how they've turned on the fags because they're still (technically) men.

>>130967643
The ELF/ALF, the Weather Underground, the Baader-Meinhof/RAF, the IRA/RIRA/NIRA, etc.

Naming all the groups is impossible because direct action most commonly takes the form of small cells that carry out one action at a time.

Of course, cell-based organization is at its core a mitigation strategy for the disadvantaged side in an asymmetrical conflict, and it almost implies complete powerlessness for this reason.

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>>130956868

You're right! So the Left needs to start the war now and teach us a lesson. I won't hold my breath.

Retarded argument done with the perception of only the Left's side. The way it's typed is even so. You don't know that you're messing with God's wave of time and you are losing every second in a battle that's not even real nor will it ever be, and you will seize to exist in this current form when the tide is over. Die, fool, while I live for truth and wisdom.

>>130968286
You'd need to be as charismatic as a cult leader with insane rituals and secret coms to elude the spooks. They have pretty much seen everything. Hell they even know how we function psychologically.

>>130968334
IRA lost, NI will now never be part of Ireland, plus they took 3x as many casualties as the right-wi paramilitaries of NI.

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>>130968334
Youve got to be shitting me kek, good one anon, made me google it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front

>>130968584
They didn't "lose" if they survived. If you need examples of losers, check out Jake from the ELF or of course Ulrike Marie Meinhof

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>>130956868

Counterpoint:

http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/9624-mainstream-liberal-terrorism/page__st__140#entry358859

>In short – LOL at one of these weirdos coming after me and my kith & kin. I am licking my chops at the possibility that we could be this underestimated, but preparing for Atilla the Hun to come riding over the hill. If it is the former, it will be lambs to the slaughter, the latter – I welcome the fight for my beliefs, my resolve has been tried.

>>130962793
This.... I am a vet and been in leadership positions all my life. I also currently work in project management. The only way to find success is to have CLEAR and OBTAINABLE goals... The new right or whatever /POL/ wishes to classify itself had not achieved this nor does it realise.

>>130963277
the only thing is, in a full blown civil war, Bubba wont be deployed in bumfuck mississippi, but moved to the front lines outside the major cities where his hunting and outdoor skills mean exactly dick.

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>>130969375

Those goals will come sharply into focus in a general breakdown of civil authority

>>130956868

They mistake their ability to bring up a group of whingers on demand to coordination.

We don't have the police, militias, military, outdoors-men and old boy's clubs... We ARE these things.

In the event of an offensive against us, they're going to have a mob, and we're going to have a firing line.

And there won't be a liberal author to write in some superman to stop the inevitable. Either they'll go home, or they'll go down.

>>130969488

>where his hunting and outdoor skills mean exactly dick.

respectfully disagree, see here: >>130969178

>>130956868
Seems kind of silly to think they would win a civil war because they spend their resources on any little thing. Any trivial slight made upon them will be met with some stupid protest.

Meanwhile, the right mostly just shitposts on the internet to destroy these people. However, when more direct acts of violence start happening the right will rise. Basic human instinct to protect and survive will kick in, because before all other human traits surviving is the most important.

The left in a civil war will just dump all their resources in battle. They will just throw everybody to the dogs of the right. Meanwhile, the right will spend the necessary time available to them to think of the best course of action. Ironically, the right will have the common sense and smarts to employ more defensive and non-violent tactics than the left despite leftism being the "ideology of peace and love". The extreme left right now is too emotional and desperate.

That neurotic mentality can only save you so many times.

>>130956868
Nigga I know left wing faggots who were payed to protest. They just wanted their shekels and left. Soros the dipshit payed them in advance and no one turned up.

>>130969488
>sitting in an urban hide and waiting for a target to walk across your scope is worthless in the city
Civilian pls go

>>130969488
The funny thing is, most of these (((leftists))) you assume the civil war will be against, are really educated whites, children of the forests, doing nonviolent direct actions for traditionally white causes (environmentalism, animal rights, anti-labor-exploitation)

Black Lives Matter has no opsec. They parade a bunch of niggers to bring smartphone tracking devices to public protests. When has a negro ever cared about the fur industry, besides ignorantly spending their welfare check on fox and thinking it's ermine?

>The left can easily bring people out to an airport the next day to protest a travel ban, while groups like the Tea Party has barely been able to do anything of use

Um what? I don't like them but the tea party is by far the most effective political revolution of the last to years and one of the most effective in American history. They took over a side of Congress (the house) by destroying long term political establishment.

Their shockwaves even took over the executive branch last year.

Leftwing revolutions have never gotten anyone elected here or put people in power and it's precisely because they never have the organization. Look no further than the Tea Party's counterpart Occupy Wall street. While Occupy got a bunch of headlines, the Tea Party were actually taking over. This guy is a retard.

The Tea Party should be studied and copied if you want change on either side. I do think only right wing idelogy allows for change from within the party. I can expand on that later.

>>130969867

>sitting in an urban hide and waiting for a target to walk across your scope is worthless in the city

>Civilian pls go

THIS

>>130969990
Very good points

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>>130956868

Lmao! This OP is a faggot and his this post is pure cancer.

>conservatives can win a civil war because they work together

Wtf? Only a liberal would argue such insanity. Enjoy losing the war you fucking faggots

No, wait. OP is right.

The Right NEEDS to learn how to get along and NETWORK. That means even skinheads networking with whatever is the totally opposite but still white right. And the rich people networking with the poor people. We need to become a family and not a scattering of hostile tribes.

We need to learn to be social and friendly with eachother and create a big giant networked family of friends. Stop being weirdos and paranoid and be a team.

>>130969864
suuuure. padraig, sure. just go to church and lay off the uische a bit and it'll be all right.

>>130970036
If I were leadimg operations I would not send farmers into cities. I am smart enough to draw the enemy into my strengths. Us on the right have strategy. Military strategy.

>>130956868
Dear God, do you remember breivik? He may have been radical, but he pulled off a fantastic mass shooting. He didn't even need a group to coordinate with. See, if you all ACTUALLY start fighting real radical right wingers, you will be fucked up.(Sorry fbi)

>>130969990
>Leftwing revolutions have never gotten anyone elected here or put people in power and it's precisely because they never have the organization.
They literally own every single meaningful institution what are you on about

>>130970329

And there are even pro-white leftists like Milo that we have to (if not embrace) work with and shake hands with.

We have to become mature and practical and always be on call to come to the assistance of every other pro white and white right group.

>>130969488
like the other guys said, keep thinking that way, commie

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>>130968298

Not sure what that has to do with political organizing. Actually I have no idea what you're even on about.

Superior article

https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/

Political violence is a leftist tenant in America.

>>130970430
As OP's post already said, The SDS/Weather Underground were literally rewarded with tenured faculty positions aka cushy employment for life and significant power over impressionable minds who already feel a vague urge to "do something"

The right needs a Soros type person, a leader who spearheds and organizes as well as funds. There is a german word for it that I cannot remember.

>>130956868
>they lack the coordination to organise in civil war
100 million gun owners, most of them right-wing. Whole villages that know each other, big families that can unite and coordinate with each other.
They've got the coordination. Don't worry about that.

>the left can organise a protest
>the tea party can't do anything
It won't be the tea party organising the lynch mobs.

>the left as a whole is comprised of various groups
>the right as a whole stands on its own two feet
And this is a bad thing? Sounds like the right has the advantage here.

>when things get hot the right doesn't know what to do
Thankfully it doesn't take triple digit IQ to pick up a gun and shoot people. The left has spent the last few decades proving that worldwide.

>the right needs to work together and put aside its internal differences
Welcome to meme magic.

>>130963277

shrimpf

I'm not good at articulating things and my posts I've made aren't exactly what I'm trying to say, but the central point is with have to learn to COORDINATE and do teamwork. And to actually learn how to do shit and socialize, even though we are about 40 percent outcast anti-social types who haven't had a girlfriend or have real life friends. JUST...I don't know.

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>>130956974
Pinochet is dead my man try to find another hero
or better yet be one

>>130970699

He's not incorrect.

The left has all these institutions (academia, media, etc) that enables them to be violent and acceptable and organized. There is a sort of command structure.

>>130970695

No we don't want to be dishonest like they are.

The way we are doing things online is working and is subversive.

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>>130956868
>look mom i posted it again

>>130970699
Another thing to point out is that a new civil war would be extreme asymmetric warfare. Enemy hard to pinpoint and so on. In this environment being to coordinated could be a disadvantage. More decentralized operations would make defense easier and would make for stealthier assults.

>>130956868
If we can keep our nation majority white and unmongrelized, live in relative comfort while maintaining underlying strength I don't care which white group holds the reigns. Ancaps seem more volatile than Nazis though. Even though I don't like either and prefer to call myself a pro-white Libertarian/ or a Libertarian with roots if you will.

>>130970849
That's true, but the eight can organise itself just as easily when there's money and a general attitude of not giving a damn about what's socially acceptable. I say the latter because that's the angle the left dominates and pounces with no matter the topic, no matter the opponent.

>>130970759

We need a new party. That's literally the best way. The GOP leadership is fucking incompetent and can't be trusted.

The real conservatives in the party and its membership will leave en masse if there was a better party than the GOP.

>>130971104

They are able to do that because of what I said.

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>>130970759
It doesn't take too many people or resources to do a revolution
You just need to covince 10 or 20 percent of the people and voiala you can lynch african americans if you play your cards right

>>130962712
If you don't own an AR you deserve to get chimped

>>130961081
it actually will just take a lot more to knock us out of our comfy lives.

>>130961081

But people are beginning to get wise to the fact the left is deranged.

>>130971320
I agree but it could happen quickly. Sooner or later that fed will not be able to prop up the GOV. And libshits start to lose their gibs, they will freak.the fuck out. Just watch what happens to Obama care. That shit is going under one way or another.

>>130971191
And the solution to that is by ignoring their definitions of what's socially acceptable and presenting our own with vigor and that general IDGAF attitude towards the left.

We have every single city fucking surrounded, armed to the teeth, and have the military. And the Tea Party took over half of government, while Occupy fizzled out.

Th examples of how the left can win is that they can coordinating protests well, which at their peak burnt down a CVS and shit on cop cars in NYC.

>>130961289
the undercover feds were watiing for the bundys to do something stupid that would let them call in the swat to take them all out in one shot.

The """left""" is so """coordinated""" because they have a master orchestrating everything.

They are also forgetting the magical meme war against Shia. /pol/ showed incredible coordination abilities.

>>130958659
Safety Squads*

Groups, logistics, off grid communication and combined ops, finance, etc.

None of these things are taken into account by the right.

How many people can you rally within 30 minutes? Do you know of other groups across the county, state, etc? How are you going to communicate with them? How are you going plan combined ops with them? Are there rat-lines in place for foreign volunteers? Will you be able to hold an entire country under your controll? This shit ALL needs cooperation with other individuals and groups.

The left has been dominating our culture by actually participating in it... book clubs, theater clubs, charities, local politics, art gallaries, etc. All these things also function as tools of recruitment. They have a nation-wide network established, while the right has SHIT. Nothing.

Stop making fucking excuses about how many deers bubba shot. It means nothing.

The right isn't playing political violence.
The left IS.

The LEFT keeps losing seats and elections.

The left is losing bigly

>>130971770
That meme war will need to happen again in 18. The dems will be going full fuckin bore and the depending party always become complacent in midterms

>>130956868
Fuck around and find out.

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>>130956868
>Political violence is a game the right can't win
>Whenever there's a march or rally against Islam the counter protesters are a tiny minority and have to hide behind police while abusing them

>>130971969
Until they feel they're losing too much and pull riots and more conflict. What happens after that is a wild guess.

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>>130956868
>leftist under going a civil war in their party between white blue collar democrate union men who are leaving the party in droves for Trump because jobs, the establishment elite east coast robber baron esq liberals who are in the major cities, and the left of marx left on the west coast who want to burn the world because some trans fat faggot got called a mean word on tumblr

The blue collar democrates are being driven out by the west coast crazies, the east coast elite think the west coast crazies can be manipulated but what they dont realize is theyre so fucking insane they cant be manipulated. Its all going to blow up in their faces.

>>130968542
Yeah I know theyll see it coming from a mile away. Need a truly genius individual who has studied his history to truly make it happen.

Most of the people on this board dont fully understand the challenges. You can tell by all the replies of "heck no! We'd grab our guns and win! The whole military is on our side!!" Its like "uhhhh no not quite." It always helps to war game things and take a serious unbiased look at your strengths and weaknesses. Uncritical pride doesnt help win wars.

>>130962552
Ew. Tasteless.

>>130958039
I've been to several rallies and know for a fact many of the violent people are paid for as well so this is a shit response. All it would take is a right wing version of Soros to fund a non FBI false flag version of the Oath Keepers and it's on.

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>>130957635

5 million people worldwide attended the woman's March.

Another couple of million people attended the March for science.

Assuming he paid the bare minimum of 100 dollars per person that's 700 million dollars for two marchs.

George soros seems to have an endless bank account. :^) his paid protestors are awfully good at keeping quiet too.

>>130972369
Oh no a bunch of childless cat ladies in pussy hats are the reason the right can't win at political violence. Great example brainlet.

>>130971770

>They are also forgetting the magical meme war against Shia.

It wasn't that funny.

>>130956868
Christ they're really trying to talk themselves into it aren't they? I'm less interested in his argument than by the fact that he's making it at all. How long until we start seeing this line of thought in places like Huffpo and Buzzfeed?

>>130972486

I don't see what your point is.
Anon said all leftwing protests are funded by George Soros. I was just pointing out some facts.

>>130972369
It doesn't work that way. He pays the (((media))) and the key leaders of the protests, who are supposed to rake in the useful idiots.

>>130972486
audibly kekd. btfo.

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”

“The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.”

“Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment — that which they cannot anticipate.”

“To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.”

“One mark of a great soldier is that he fight on his own terms or fights not at all.”

- Sun Tzu

Faggot.

>>130972186
This.. and I mentioned similar things here last week. Also, the military would not be on our side immediately. That would take a little time. The higher structures in the Pentagon will need to desolve before the military decentralizes.

The problem is that they doubt the destructive capability of the military. How effective can an organization be if a small number of drones can wipe it out entirely. The real problem is that the military will likely split along racial/ethnic lines.

>>130972369

However that might be... thats a crowd of 1.000.000 people. Standing ready by the snap of a finger. A lot of them WILL be armed if it comes to a conflict.

So, right side... what are you gonna do about them with 0 preperation?

Just playing devil's advocate here.

>>130972486
It begs the question how big the protests would be without the Soros money.
My guess is they wouldn't even exist, because there'd be nobody to organise them.

>>130972762

So the protests and the protesters themselves are real then?

He just pays for advertising and guest speakers?

>>130972486
I think you missed his point.

>>130956868
>the side with the military, the most guns and the most money can't win the political violence game

uh...wat

>>130972892

Stop blowing shit out of your ass. Its a nation wide network full of social nodes. You think they give a shit about money when actual war breaks out?

I swear, the dindu-tier thinking of you people will be your downfall.

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>>130972931
Yes, the protests themselves are mostly comprised of normies who were anti-Trump to begin with. Also, they are not as large as (((they))) claim and wouldn't even exist without the army of paid agitators.

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If push came to shove, the right WOULD unite, thats the thing.

>>130972931
He pays for a few NGOs that organize the protest, plus the media to push the desired agenda. Useful idiots eat up the agenda and whatever NGOs serve them, and there you have it.
It's been going on constantly here since 2000, we're very familiar with it.

In 2000. there was a pride parade, and the participants all got beat up bad.
After 10 years of campaigning in the described way, the first pride parade, although HEAVILY guarded was held.
After another 7, we now have pride weeks....
Thanks USA.

>>130972186

You are right sir.

>>130964786
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>>130956868
tl;dr
>"you should become more like leftists so that we can control you"
Fuck that asshole. Liberals have power right now because they live in an ecosystem that tolerates them. When blood gets spilled, they'll be little pussies who won't do jack shit but behave in a treasonous manner(as foreign governments will use them as pawns) thus justifying their suffering.


1) The Right can easily win.
2) The main enemy of the Right is faggy pseudo-right crap like the stormfaggot-tier ethnonationalists who are basically liberal fucks(pro abortion, pro-socialism, anti-Christian, etc) leaching off of ethnic identity much the same way communism used worker-identity as a rallying mechanism. Ethnic nationalists must be purged by force.
>"but hurr durr, you're just inviting in foreign horders and [insert racist slurs]"
No, fuckwit: this panzy "White nationalism" is the problem because it preserves the shortcommings of Western civilization and then lashes out at others instead of fixing itself. There are plenty of Whites in White countries that wouldn't have any vulnerabilities to foreigners if they didn't kill their children, push socialism, and just be typical degenerates. The (((TRS))) leftist nationalism crap won't make anything better.
3) Christianity is essential. Even if you don't believe, at least value it for its teachings and just assume it could be true. Quit being little bitches willing to descend into liberal faggotry just because you think you're too good to accept Jesus and his teachings. If you think Christianity is pussy-tier, then make it stronger and more violent rather than siding with pussies and bringing us all down.

>"muh neopaganism"
Fuck that shit. Christians kicked their asses and all neopagans are are a 5th column for liberal faggotry just like the rest of the "White nationalists". White people are powerful BECAUSE of Christianity, not in spite of it.

>>130972858
>one right winger shows up
>fires a single shot into the air
>most of the left wing scatters immediately
>the rest kill themselves via negligent discharge while trying to ready their weapons
>right winger goes home having won without firing a shot

Jokes aside the police kick their asses and they all bitch on twitter about how their "peaceful" protest broke up. If the police are overwhelmed the National Guard is there. If we're going to go all the way into the realm of impossibility and say there's a giant crowd of lefties going door to door unopposed by any sort of government body then they're going to start suffering serious attrition as the average right winger will probably kill several of them before being overwhelmed. Eventually they'd run into some Clive Bundy tier retard group or just a group of a few dozen angry suburbanites with overpriced guns and then they'd be slaughtered.

>>130956868
>hey guys you really need to start grouping up
>put your names here on this alt-right group list
>it definetly won't leak anywhere
I guess they are scared of all these like minded people being lone wolves all over the country so they can't predict their moves

>>130973083
There would be no protests and hardly any organisation without money from Soros and his associates to fund it.
As I've stated earlier up the thread, what happens once armed conflict kicks off is a wild guess.
Right now, if there's no money, there's no left-wing movement.

>>130973290

I have no doubt that there's figures behind the scenes exchanging money, funding destabilsation, for reasons beyond myself.

However one thing people here keep consistently doing is downplaying the support the left wing has in America by using excuses such as

>Paid protests
>Voter fraud
>Media lies
>George soros

In a hypothetical civil war situation /pol/ might be surprised at how much genuine opposition they face.Democrats lost because they assumed their victory was assured. /pol/ seems to be falling for the same trap.

>>130961081
We have jobs and things to do.

>>130959937
>with a 10 to 1 number advantage, who has the upper hand?
the guy with the assault rifle

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>>130956868
>he believes that the right cannot win a supposed civil war
Technically he's correct, but the left wouldn't win either.

>>130973605

No, you're wrong. We should at least get to know eachother and befriend eachother and have ways to contact eachother. We shouldn't be scattered strangers.

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>>130973605
Oh, and for anyone who doesn't understand WHY there's no threat to White people from foreigners replacing them, consider this: White people own the population sources in White countries(rural areas for instance). Urban population sinks don't grow population on their own but merely waste away their people either within 1 generation or after a couple when the people become "settled" in the area.


Boost popuation growth in population sources and there's no threat on the ethnic level. As such, faggy ethnic nationalism only preserves the sickness of the ethnicity/race rather than curing it and allowing it to grow.
tl;dr racism and ethnic nationalism don't protect one's race or ethnic identity.

>>130973857
Said very well. Never let your guard down and remember the left want.power and control. That is their mo. Most on the right just want a job and a nice house. Don't ever fuckin forget this.

>>130973416
>If push came to shove, the right WOULD unite, thats the thing.
Yeah, but not under the rule of leftist racists like yourself. It would be a highly Christian force that would see you faggots as enemies no better than the liberal fags.

>>130973857
I don't think we are. No one is disputing their numbers, but we are disputing their actual strength in the event of civil war.
Half of them are pussies and weaklings who get panic attacks from gunshots. If they start some serious shit, they will most likely be killed.

>>130956868

That's because there is no 'right'. There's leftists amd there's normal folk. If the left ever takes the kind of action that necessitates a 'right wing' (read: god fearing tax paying family oriented humans) collective response then they will be immediately crushed and it's as simple as that.

Furthermore they know it, and that's what cultural subversion is all about.

>>130970497
>Homosexual jew
>Pro white ally

I'm no purist but nobody's buying this shit you pathetic little plebbit cuckold.

>>130956868
>Implying local militas are unorganized
>Implying the police are unorganized
>Implying the military is unorganized
>No comments allowed

Surprise surprise.

>>130956868
>in that first five minutes, do you... even know who you're going to call
I don't think this is a valid argument. Who are people like Bike Lock Boy and Moldylocks going to call that will have them armed, organized, and ready to fight in such short time? I'm 2 phone calls away from having enough combined rifles and ammo to damn near outfit a platoon with full combat loads and could have 2-3 fire teams ready to go in about 30 minutes.

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>>130956868
Once things kick of it wont go anywhere near like they think. The people on the right actually work for a living. We don't have time to cry like spoiled children. Once they have totally fucked shit up though we will organize it's really just that simple.

>comparing an actual literal fucking civil war where killing your enemy, destroying his infrastructure and removing his food sources is the goal to fucking Soros-backed, feel-good protests where you shout at police officers and knock over trash cans

I knew liberals were naive but come on.
You know why the Right doesn't protest with the same frequency or numbers as the Left? They have jobs, many of them involved in keeping the country fucking running.

Comparing the Left's ability to phone up a disorganised mob is no measure of how they would possibly fare in a game of survival.

Which political direction to you think preppers are slanted toward?

>>130974506
This why I said never let your guard down. The left wish to gain control over everyone.

>>130956868
So his argument is
>a distributed heavily armed group with no central leader is weaker than an unarmed group dependent on central leadership
Leftists really are retarded.
>muh central leadership
By all means, keep believing that, dumbass.

>>130959120
Today, Jacobin and Jacobinism are used in a variety of senses. Jacobin is sometimes used in Britain as a pejorative for radical, left-wing revolutionary politics (English: /ˈdʒækəbᵻn/), especially when it exhibits dogmatism and violent repression.[2] In France, Jacobin now generally indicates a supporter of a centralized republican state and strong central government powers[3] and/or supporters of extensive government intervention to transform society.

Unless by Jacobite they mean 17th and 18th century British catholics who wanted to reinstate a catholic monarch, jacobites are authoritarian leftist scum.

>>130964676
Ex-Army here. Know a SSG who immigrated from Guatemala who voted Trump and a black ex-blood from NJ who also voted Trump.
You have a point, but only half of one. The aforementioned patriots were infantry. The people you're thinking about are the clerks.
I guarantee you wouldn't see a single 82nd Airborne Infantryman sway from his CiC.

Good luck shitlibs.

Delusional defeatist article. The author thinks in terms of the old order which was inherited by Neo Marxists. What a cuck. Let them burn down the same institutions that give them security. I buy guns and ammo and be ready to kill with a smile when it is necessary. Praise Jesus Christ.

>>130974748

If the Right were networked like the Left, we really would be fucking unstoppable. But we're too lazy or stupid or antisocial to get it.

>>130959937
I'm not teaming up with faggots, gays, and ancaps who are merely pretending to be "right". I want a fascist world, not more of the same democracy shit that these alt-lite niggers push for.

Well he is right. Left wing activists have no jobs and are supported by welfare and Soros. Right wing activists have to go to work and like obeying laws and not killing people

>>130970504
oh im in not way a fucking commie.

>>130975051
This guy gets it. Minorities and shitlibs are typically POGs. The ones in combat arms units are either like the ones your described or malingerers looking for a medical discharge.

>>130975051
This. The combatant command leaders are the ones that will come to our side. The Pentagon types would only try to restore order and would kill both sides. The Pentagon types will need to desolve and combatant commands take over

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>>130956868

>Military is overwhelmingly right-wing
>Over 1 million militia members across the US, who are armed, trained, and equipped, many of whom have professional training imparted by ex-Special Forces instructors
>Millions of preppers who are just like the militia members, but consist of lone individuals or small families
>Left is a fragmented mess that keeps eating their own and only has the illusion of unity/organization because a few puppetmasters like Soros pay them to say and do certain things
>Left has no militias, their ANTIFA thugs are cowards who get their asses handed to them when they aren't sucker punching small, unarmed women, and half of their useful idiots would either attack the other half (BLM attacking SJW's for being white) or have conflicting goals (La Raza wants to steal American soil for Mexico, BLM wants to nig out, SJW's want communist utopia, etc.)
>When the right shows up to a protest, it's because they want to be there; when the left shows up to a protest, it's because they're getting paid to be there
>Most of the right just wants the left to shut the fuck up and leave them alone
>The rest want to put the left, the niggers, spics, and kikes into camps

Oh yeah, the right can't win a game of political violence. Uh-huh.

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>>130974194
>No, you're wrong. We should at least get to know eachother and befriend eachother and have ways to contact eachother. We shouldn't be scattered strangers.
Why? Our strength is in our individualism. What you want is for us to just become another branch of liberalism. Hell, the TRS faggots were pushing everything liberals push(abortion, faggotry, socialism, atheism, other shit that puts women in charge, etc).

The key is personal growth and memetic unity(i.e. what won the election), not group unification(i.e. what those who lost the election were doing instead). Remember that our weakness in society is due to our nievity in dealing with normies who are really just wimpy fucks who cloak their actual weaknesses in lies and social hierarchies.

The key to victory is to also push for that which weakens the normies. For instance:
1) Attack unions and villify them. They're dens of normie degeneracy.
2) A war on lies. Learn how liars lie.
3) Christian values over social "values". Quit letting babykilling, thieving, cucks claim any form of moral equality.
4) Recognize that our enemeis are just people who put all their skill points into charisma and nothing more. When you realize that, you see how weak they really are and WHY ITS RETARDED TO UNIFY as all you're doing is giving degenerates the means by which they can consolidate power for themselves while shutting out the truth and harming others. A good example is how "White nationalists" like TRS keep on trying to stilfle debate and claim to be "authorities" on truth. That shit needs to end.


What we can do as a unified force is attack universal enemies(see raids). Enemies like TRS and all the other smooth-talking power-grabbers must be called out and destroyed.

>>130974748
this, the reason anonymous is the final boss of the internet is specifically because there is no leadership.

to kill right wing populism you would need to literally kill every single right wing populist

>>130974530
Who cares? An individual is an individual. For all I know, you could be a masochist faggot and a pedophile.

>>130974632
No its not. Industrial urbanism fathered communism.

>>130975418
They would probably tryto recruit mercenaries from the left and right. Were the first is rejecting autority and are merely canon fudder and the later would have no loyality and fuck their commanders the moment some other entity offers a better deal.

>>130975132
That's just it, it would be weaker. Kill a node in a distributed system, the nodes around it take over the load. Kill a node in a hierarchical system and all children nodes die with it. In the case of a war all the right has to do is kill some of the leftist leaders and the entire structure falls apart. The left would need to kill every right wing group (or a sufficient amount that the rest give up).

>>130972369
>that image
I know it's wrong, but that's damn funny.

>>130975781

But most are not even in a group. They would be lost if something big happened. How do you have political clout without working with a group.

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>>130970782
>gimmie that 100% of the population below the poverty line, several famines, genocides, and mass murders, total dependence on Western Capitalist industry during WWII, failed imperialist ambitions, and complete denunciation by my successor and ultimately my entire country but still worshipped by low cognitive ability, malformed white virgins who cling to egalitarianism as a desperate final appeal-to-pity mating strategy look

No one wins in America from political violence. It will crash the economy.

>>130956868
Co-ordination is great, but only lasts as long as the Gov't indulges you. US surveillance being what it is, if you are communicating online with others they'll know about it. It isn't a kooky coincidence that terror plots bigger than a +1 have routinely failed while "lone wolves" actually carry through. Also since the 90's, anything vaguely nationalist, right, or white has been subject to intense infiltration by LEO & their informants, a la the Oregon Occupation that resulted in 13 sentenced out of sixty+ people on account of most of them being paid to be there. Shut up & don't snitch.

>>130975680
Actually Spengler was right. Communism was first used by Jesuits in Paraguay and Uruguay to enlslave some indigenous tribes. But then again, Jesuits are whoreshipper of the Snake

>>130970782
Every Chilean I've met love Pinochet

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>>130975557
Which is why a lot of these ethno-nationalists are trying to get rid of annonymity and instead make everyone on here fall into one single group so that we can all be destroyed. Its like those fags at TRS who stifled dissent on their forums and made their followers just stupid tards parroting official talking points and suffering collective punishment.


We became powerful on here because we attacked universal enemeis(Trump won due to the OFFENSIVE actions of /pol/ amplified by popular support, not by collectivism) while remaining anonymous. Our greatest weakness is from the temptation to become foot soldiers for causes already controlled by our enemies and stifled with the weaknesses of social hierarchies which quash creativity and reward charisma over intelligence.


The ethnonationalism on here is a parasite which is feeding off of something it sees as strong. While the ignorant may believe they can control this force(when in reality it'd die if they tried to tame it), our enemeis know that organizing is our only weakness as it makes us more like them and thus gives them the levers to control us.


The idea that we're more powerful as an organized group is at best woefully ignorant and, at worst, the machinations of our enemies as the best(and only) means to destroy us.

>>130976047
>>130976585
Organized Christianity can be corrupted but fighting for the Christian ideals on the individual level is the key to success.

>>130976795
Absolutely on your side. The current church organisations are a bunch of corrupted whores, but Christs teaching is such a powerfull and old meme, it can compete with every ideology and narrative of the current cycle.

>>130956868
History is written by the victors. The people with the must man power, guns, ammunition, and training. Coordination isn't the hard part even multiple groups of different rebel groups in Syria can coordinate because rallying against a common enemy.

The Occupy Movement fell apart with ease since the goals that were brought up were not to the majority of the people. The left has had the power of mass propaganda for several decades and now that is falling thanks to vast freedom of information due to the internet. The left also has issues controlling groups from taking over rallies. Like Sanders rally getting taking over by Black Lives Matter or a Gay Pride March being taken over by Black Lives Matter. The left would be fall apart. Also in peaceful times political violence tends to damage the groups that comment said violence thus why the left is losing. Since groups like Antifa and Black Lives Matter cause damage to property, hurt the economy, and hurt people.

Meanwhile the Military would form militias groups out of the right wing gun owners and police forces. Which in the case with police is already easy to due to the already existing stuff. If say a Civil War happens the Military would shut down all forms of civilian transportation from grounding all flights, closing major highways and bridges, and check points at roads that lead to important areas. Though in any proper quelling of a civil war is to take out the leadership by killing them or capture. The Military could do that with ease, but judging by right wing/4chan tactics the left is disowning current standing leaders and organizations. The night of long knives for Nancy Pelosi as democrats are turning on her.

Left is losing and falling apart in normal political games. Hell they have to start something quick or they will lose the majority of their base. And if the whispers going around are true about July. The Left has condemned anyone registered a Democrat to death.

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>>130976207
Pinochet a shit

>>130963408
>lol is a reddit term now

Fucking kys retard.

>>130968286
I can't believe I'm saying this because it's kind of a joke, yet it's not--some of the best covers for any right wing organizing would be either a ghost-hunting/paranormal research group or a true crime investigation group. Shitskins have ZERO interest in any of that shit and in fact they hate and fear those subjects for the most part--especially blacks. In the past I've belonged to both types and we never had a single non-white person save a couple of legal latinos, very culturally white/nerdy, and one Chinese girl.

>>130977259
what are these whispers about july?

>>130977259
>If say a Civil War happens the Military would shut down all forms of civilian transportation from grounding all flights, closing major highways and bridges, and check points at roads that lead to important areas.
If they cut their own supplylines, we won.

>>130958659
You clueless fuckwit, do you even understand the difference between a Jacobite and a Jacobin?
Jacobitemag.com is a Nrx style magazine, they're extreme right, the absolute-monarchism the Jacobites represented is part of Neo-monarchist/Nrx thought.

>>130968542
This just makes me think that possibly being open and up front about it might be the best way. If we can't be covert, fuck it, we'll be a clear and present threat. A new political party, even.

>>130962712
Dude, go out a hero. If it comes to that, fight until the bitter end. That shouldn't even require a second thought.

>>130959120
Try thermidormag.com some excellent articles.