Is North Korea a National Socialist Utopia?

>>130921946
>Everyone works for the betterment of society.
.. are you fucking with me?
NO they are not, if they dont work they get tortured to death in labor camps this and to have at least something to fucking eat and not starve to death while being some of the poorest people is the reason they HAVE to work like slaves, you idiot.

>>130922320
That's what happens when everyone in the world hates you and your country and does nothing to help or even trade so you can make money.

>>130921946
I just wonder how modern the country would be if the world treated it as an equal. If they opened up trade with the country.

>>130922320
Are you an expert? How can you be sure that's not anti-NK propoganda. I admit the populous is brainwashed, but what nation's isn't? They're brainwashed into working for the betterment of their society, and their leader.

>>130921946
Nigger only Pyongyang is remotely decent and even then there are incredibly poor parts in that city.

There's a bunch of videos on YT of people driving around NK with Gopros and Google glass. Some are hours long. Watch those then form an opinion.

There's an Indonesian guy that posts videos who is particularly ballsy. He tries to film everything.

>>130921946
Why would you want a utopia?
Do you understand what utopia means?

>>130922505
Did I say I want a Utopia? Do you understand the question? The North Korean model is extremely similar to National Socialism.

>>130922497
Any country would be poor if the entire world had sanctions put on them. They aren't allowed to trade with anyone.

>>130922565
Socialism is similar to socialism? No shit?

>>130922565
The NK model is most similar to Imperial era Japan.

>>130922628
Are you retarded? Are you going to add anything to this discussion or are you just going to spew nonsensical garbage?

>>130922623
Accept one of the biggest trading nations on earth who they also share a border with. They could have any "made in China" good we can have.

>>130922623
You're entirely missing the point. NK is not a Utopia. Even if it traded (which it fucking does, idk why you think every single country has sanctions against NK.)

>>130922682
You're the one bringing nonsense.
Of course they're like Nazi Germany. Socialism.

>>130922787
Either idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about or trolling. Either way fuck off.

I should've known you autists would nitpick on semantics rather than focus on the bigger picture. Which is that I'm saying National Socialism is retarded, look at North Korea for an example.

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>>130922478
>How can you be sure that's not anti-NK propoganda
This.

Remember how we have been lied to about the Germans pre and during WW2? Remember how we have been lied to about Iraq, Libya etc?
We have been lied to all along. There is a very good chance that what we hear about NK is also lies.

No, in NK you have no internet for a start so that's 99% of this board already beyond standards of living where they can cope.

They also have to work their ass off just to survive, another thing a huge majority of the underage faggots (including you, OP) would be unable to do.

People starve, get abused and oppressed, and it's generally a shitty way to live.

ALL OF THIS, all this suffering under who?

>muh glorious leader
>fat ugly bumbling retard

So you can't even be proud of your nation.

NK is shit. What a retarded thread.

>>130921946
No, because it runs like shit. It's ruler is a complete fucking idiot. And people wonder about doing pointless jobs that pay very little to support a family on. North Korea is a shit show because they can only do well when invading another country. That's what their whole government was made to do.

>>130921946
Please ensure that this topic is raised here regularly. I want to contribute but I must go for now

>>130922947
>"National socialism wasn't REAL socialism!"
t./pol/

>>130923249
It wasn't, you moron. It was capitalist. Socialists were jailed, workers were given no rights, women were forced out of the workforce and socialist books written by people like Marx and Brecht were burned. You comparing the economy of NK to the economy of Nazi Germany is even more retarded.

>>130921946
No but it is better than here. Simple changes in government can fix North Korea. Nothing short of ethnic cleansing can repair our country.

>>130923497
Communism is just a form of socialism, just like Nazism. Think of communism as cosmo-socialism as opposed to nat-socialism.

>>130922628
>hurr durr communism and national socialism are the same thing
Nu-flags have revealed so much about the intelligence of the various ideologies occupying this board.

>>130922565
Does natsoc even have a prescribed economic plan? I thought it was mostly principles and dictatorial discretion

>>130923616
Our place is ace right now unless you live in a big city.
And if you're dumb enough to live in a big city you deserve everything you get. You're the sewer of those of us who choose not to dwell in your sardine can.

>>130923684
No, it was not. They killed the socialists and leftists. This guy they murdered for being a socialist and a Nazi.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Strasser

Also you really need to learn economics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_North_Korea

>>130923684
As if modern capitalism is preferable.

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I agree. As a matter of fact I'm planning to go there for my summer holidays. Maybe I'll bring back a souvenir for you guys. Based Korea!

>>130923720
>hurr durr communism and national socialism are the same thing
Their only difference is how they're applied.
Communism was to be applied globally, or at least that's the idea, whereas Nazism was for the German Worker. Literally. National Socialist German Worker's Party
You can't just choose to abandon the fact that Nazi Germany was socialist, just because socialism leaves a nasty taste in your mouth.
In the end, Hitler and his party owned everything in Germany. They could and did nationalize every asset in Germany. The state owned the means of production in Germany. No one had the legal authority to tell the Fuhrer "no I will not comply".

>>130923684
Okay, under a very broad definition of socialism that involves any form of authoritarian cooperation maybe, but that would encompass every form of government ever. But under the actual definition of socialism, NSDAP and it's writings quite clearly believe a free market, independent enterprise, and private property. Most importantly, NSDAP did not advocate for public ownership of the means of production. NSDAP is simply not socialist in any sense. Use your critical thinking.

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>>130923892
Sure it is. You get a choice with capitalism. You can in fact say "no".

>>130924099
>The state owned the means of production in Germany
Demonstrably false
>No one had the legal authority to tell the Fuhrer "no I will not comply".
This is true of every government in the history of the planet. That is what makes them the government.
>They could and did nationalize every asset in Germany.
Every country did the same during WWII. Britain and the USA are socialist too?

>>130924099
The Nazis did not own the means of production. Private companies did. Also Nazi Germany actually privatized everything when at the same time the US was nationalizing everything. The Nazis were much further right than the US.

>>130921946
Nazis had a free market you mong. They must offered government jobs at a living wage.

>>130922478
It's just North Korean Fuhrerprinzip

>>130924392
OP was clearly asking about NK socially being close to the Nazis. NK does pride itself on being ethnically pure and homogenous much like the Nazis did.

>>130924137
>NSDAP and it's writings quite clearly believe a free market
And yet, banned certain goods, services, and economic practices.

>independent enterprise
You could not tell the party "no".

>and private property
If the party wanted your property, without compensation, you had to give it up.

>NSDAP did not advocate for public ownership of the means of production.
And yet, the party owned everything. To that effect, there was not another party allowed to compete with the NSDAP. That was it. You were stuck with them and if they told you to make a million rounds of ammunition in your ball bearing plant instead of ball bearings, you had no choice but to make a million rounds of ammunition.

>>130924483
So does Nepal. So what?

>>130924383
>The Nazis did not own the means of production. Private companies did.
And the state had defacto ownership of all companies.
If Hitler wanted IGFarben to make him some laughing gas for an upcoming shindig, or make him some more meth, by god they had no choice but to say "yessir!"

You're only a free market if you're free to tell your government "NO".

North Korea is Juche kind of close to Strasserism another wing of National Socialism

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>>130924392
>Nazis had a free market you mong.

>>130924804
Oh, sorry, you're right. I forgot they had roads. Must be commies.

>>130924676
They did not own the companies. The Nazis did not instruct the companies on economic matters. Also you seem to think authoritarianism is socialism which isn't true. The Nazis were Authoritarian but not socialist. They were authoritarian capitalist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp#World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp_Trial
>>130924521
The party did not own everything. There were private companies and interests. Also authoritarianism is not socialism. The British Empire were authoritarians who enslaved niggers in Africa. That doesn't make them socialists.

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Look, lemme spell this out to you fucktards in terms you should damn-well be able to understand.

NSDAP vs US
Socialism vs. Capitalism

Very simple here, watch-

BALL BEARING FACTORY:
>US - cannot compel factory to manufacture ammunition instead of bearings, because the owner owns his factory, not the government
>NSDAP - CAN compel the factory to switch to ammunition manufacture at any time, because the NSDAP actually owns the factory, the workers in the factory, and the means of production of the factory, the "owner" be damned

Owner says NO in US = Gov takes a hike, so they don't even bother unless they present a very lucrative contract that has to be agreed upon.
Owner says NO to Hitler = Off to Camp Sunshine for some forced labor and a romp in the swimming pool, factory falls under the direct control of the party.

>>130925433
>US - cannot compel factory to manufacture ammunition instead of bearings, because the owner owns his factory, not the government

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_home_front_during_World_War_II

Also that literally has nothing to do with what socialism is. Many socialists don't even believe in having a fucking government.

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what did NK mean with this?

>>130924897
>>I forgot they had roads.

>I forgot they had a state.

>I forgot they had corporations.

>I forgot they had socialism.

ftfy

>>130925636
That's only during wartime and the rules are very much in favor to the owner.
After wartime the owner has full control. Wartime is an emergency.

>Also that literally has nothing to do with what socialism is. Many socialists don't even believe in having a fucking government.
I don't give a shit what THEY or YOU 'think'. The fact of the matter is, socialism boils down to two features.
Central planning and ownership of the means of production by the state. NSDAP Germany meets both criteria. I'm sorry if this brings it too close to commie bullshit for your liking. Just like I'd be sorry(I think) if you got cancer. But those are the rules. That's the facts. Them's the breaks.

This is why you fuckers never win an economics debate with Libertarians, AnCaps, etc. You don't understand economics.
And economics is the root subject involved in your ideology. Not race. Not degeneracy. Money and goods and things.
Because in the end, that's what everything involved with any political debate boils down to. Who controls the THINGS and the stuff used to buy and trade the THINGS.
The National Socialists nationalized out of self-preservation of their economy. Their things. I can't say whether it was good or bad. Hitler was just a bit too militaristic and rash. But I cannot hate nationalism.

I DO hate communism. With every part of my being.

>>130926294
So you think the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAS SOCIALIST IN WWII?

>Central planning and ownership of the means of production by the state.

That is what socialism is but Nazi Germany had neither of those.

>I don't give a shit what THEY or YOU 'think'

You are a fucking retard who doesn't understand basic economics then. You literally have no idea what you are talking about. I doubt you are over 18.

>>130926294
Also, just noticed my ID.
"Jyoo"

I'll reiterate. I do not hate national socialism. It's hard to implement and has a lot of risk involved. It seems like a good temporary solution and that seems to be the idea the Nazis had going in.
I don't blame Germany for going down that road, considering where they were headed at the time and who was knocking at their eastern door.

But socialism is socialism. How it's carried out can make a world of difference.

>>130921946
Yes it is
>>130922320
That's (((american))) propaganda.

>all these edgelords denying well-established facts
They literally send your entire family to a death camp if you say anything against the established narrative.

>>130926558
>So you think the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAS SOCIALIST IN WWII?
Well yeah. We were. Hell, have you looked up fucking Roosevelt? Fucker was practically a Red himself.
I have a much greater disdain for FDR than Hitler. Much greater. That faggot wanted to turn the US into Russia. Glad he died before he could.

Thing is though, the US government only has that power during war. Germany had that power even in peacetime.

Yeah, get your ticket while you still can. Don't miss out.

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>>130921946
No, it's a communist one-party dictatorship