>not a socialist What a fuck is wrong with you?

>>130910737
fucking stalin with his hidden hand illuminati shit.

>>130910737
Communism is a disease.
Don't lump nazis in with them.

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>>130910737
>Hitler
>Socialist

Pick one

>>130910914
Lol dumbass
National socialism

>>130910737
fuck you shill
>>130910904
>>130910914
there is no difference between communism and national socialism made by adolph

>>130911160
>>130911165
Socialism isn't National Socialism

>>130911160
Hitler had all the socialists of the movement killed in the night of long knives and allowed for private property.

>Hurr Durr muh name

No it's a fascist ideology not a socialist one

>>130911165
>Polish intellectuals

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>>130911232
Hmmm...

>>130910737
Because i have my small business and would like to focus my energy on making it grow.
I would really dislike having it confiscated by the state, go to trial on petite bourgeois charges, and live on ration food either in jail or "free".

>>130910914
>>130911279

Yes it is. It isn't Marxist/Marxist-derived socialism but that doesn't mean it isn't socialism.

Socialism as an idea and a word existed decades before Marx and Engels, and as such they don't have the monopoly on defining it.

We're all brought up to believe that "Socialism" is "when the means of production is collectively owned", but that's only the marxist interpretation of the socialist idea.

Marxism and socialism aren't mutually inclusive. National Socialism is definitely socialist even if it stands in stark opposition to Marxism.

>>130911397
Don't see how they're contradictory... maybe I need an extra chromosome to see it.

>>130911279
of course it is
there is no economical difference between them
>>130911335
hitler killed them because the were competition for him on political field
>Polish intellectuals
we experienced both ideologies you moron there is no difference between them
besides facism is very close to national socialism

>>130911397
>During this period, Mussolini identified his economic policies with “state capitalism” and “state socialism,” which later was described as “economic dirigisme,” an economic system where the state has the power to direct economic production and allocation of resources

>By 1939, Fascist Italy attained the highest rate of state–ownership of an economy in the world other than the Soviet Union

Literally Stalinists

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NatSoc is not real socialism guys! Trust us, why would we lie to you? never forget the 58 krautsand Germans murdered by Poles in Danzig!

>>130910737
>What a fuck is wrong with you?
So your "argument" is that both had red flags, armies, women, and a male leader, and both are therefore the same?

How fucking stupid are you?

>>130911160
>Lol dumbass
>National socialism
You sound like one of those retards who doesn't understand that words can change meaning over time.

>>130911165
>there is no difference between communism and national socialism made by adolph

That must be why they got along so well. Oh wait they didn't.

Cut your tiny dick off, faggot.

>>130910737
Socialism is awful cuz we import shitskins and pay them to breed. If it was just a monolithic society I would have no problem living in a socialist state.

>>130911706
are you literally retarded? Do you seriously believe that no two countries with the same economic system have never been at war with each other?

>>130911397
>>130911232

Just because a state uses Markets as the primary form of resource and capital allocation doesn't mean that it's Capitalism.

Capitalism is when the primary focus of individuals in life is the pursuit of personal profits. It is inherently degenerate in nature. But that doesn't mean that every system that uses markets is definitively capitalist. People call the modern Chinese system as "capitalist" but it isn't. It's a variation of market-based socialism. The individual is responsible for the allocation of resources and services to the public, but the state holds the monopoly on political power and thus economic power and operates as a blend between privately-owned and state-owned enterprises. The top 4 largest companies in China have the GDP greater than that of Australia, and they're all state owned and operated.

Fascism/National Socialism uses markets to allocate resources and services, but at the same time opposes the inherently selfish and degenerate nature of Capitalism, holding a social-worldview of individuals benefiting the community at the same time as benefiting themselves, as opposed to Capitalism which is basically a formula of "If everyone strives only to benefit themselves, then everyone is looked after, and the system balances itself", which is a broken concept from the beginning.

>>130911630
both destroyed private property "nationalized" it invested in military and conquered and enslaved neighbor nations
gee sure there is no difference
>>130911668
>words can change meaning over time.
they do not
besides if you change the meaning of the word that is an essence of cultural marxism
>>130911706
>That must be why they got along so well. Oh wait they didn't.
of course not they were competitors for clay and more slaves of they retarded systems
both of these systems are literally based on stealing from others they don't produce anything
that's why they must expand infinetly to support themselves

Socialism good, Internationalism/Cosmopolitanism bad

The end

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>>130911165
>>130911160
>>130911512
The official definition of "socialism" is pic related.
Therefore: National Socialism is NOT socialism.
>no collective means of ownership
>market capitalism was still very active in Germany throughout the Nazi period

I understand what y'all are trying to say here, but technically it just isn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ5fL1okyng

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>>130912022

There's Hitlerism and Strasserism silly both are National Socialist

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>>130911923
a simple google search might prevent you from looking like an idiot m8

Here, i'll get you started:
>where was pic related invented and by whom?
>hint #1: it was a private company
>hint #2: the country rhymes with "Hermony"

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>Naziboo LARPers know so little about their supposed ideology
Not surprised tee bee aych. You're only attracted to the edgy authoritarian image. Didn't have a strong father figure in your lives, anons?

>>130911512
I think they're just trying to make the point that NS isn't the
>socialism
most people think of when they hear that word.

What we've been brought up to recognize as socialism is the Marxist interpretation as you've already pointed out, and that's not the same as Hitler's interpretation, so it is worth pointing out that Hitler isn't the sort of socialist most people think of when they hear the word socialism.

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>>130912134
Strasser was a heretic and a moron, unless that flag is ironic you should kys immediately.

>literally North Korea (white edition)™

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>sickle
>black sun
>red

Really ought to make you think, broski.

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>>130912290

Strasser was right about everything unlike Hitler who unironically deluded himself that he could ally with zionist controlled Anglos and Poles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Reich_Party

>>130912022
Hitler essential did what pic related describes
he NATIONALIZED everything the "Nation" (read government) owned everything and began a redistribution of goods
>no collective means of ownership
>market capitalism was still very active in Germany throughout the Nazi period
yeah and that's why one of institute had troubles when ordering 1 kilogram of spirit for research purposes (it took them ~6 months)
state (read bureaucrats; read party members) literally owned everything
technically it IS a socialism
>>130912166
compare constitution of nazi germany to constitution of ZSRR and you will not look like an idiot anymore

>>130912022

>owned or regulated by the community as a whole

Ownership by the community does not necessarily imply state ownership in any way. Community regulation of the "means of production" is also very vague. That's why it has so many interpretations and variations.

Also, no, Market "capitalism" was not largely present in National Socialist Germany. Like I explained here: >>130911912 Markets aren't exclusive to capitalism.

>>130911564
This happened when the 1929 crisis kicked in and the whole banking complex plus 50% of the industry capital was bought by the state.

>>130912597
>Ownership by the community does not necessarily imply state ownership in any way.
oh really ?
then who was the one deciding what to do with gooods ?
old granny from small village ?
mr kraut working at factory ?
or bureaucrat that was comfortably sitting in his office and was chosen by ruling party ?
there is always one person that decides what to do
collective do not know things like this because it's too stupid
so in the end it's up to state (read bureaucrats) to distribute those goods

>>130910737
Comparing stalin and hitler is like comparing a fabric to a screwdriver

stalin build a superpower hitler got the stuff giftet from the filthy rich jews but since ur to fucking dense to get that and still think in ideological terms well bad for you running against a wall everytime u try to think

National Socialism? idk, i have all chromosomes, i was never molested as a kid, i can function in society as a normal human being, oh and my balls arent shriveled up as i jack off to a man with a tiny mustache. Wait, i almost forgot, im not a Nazi-fag.

now communism i give 0 fucks about but i still think its fucking retarded.

>>130911160
Retard

>>130913163
the eternal anglo
>>130913162
stalin was based

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The foundation of National socialism is an actual group of people. "the race"
>class cohesion,
>public & private ownership of MoP,
>focused on the health of the group as a whole

The foundation of Marxist socialism is a concept. "equality"
>class struggle,
>public ownership of MoP
>focused on the equalization of each individual


National socialism is inherently selfless. Each individual is expected to place the welfare of the group above their own personal ambitions.
>the poor are taken care of, but they must work.
>goal of the welfare is to: shrink poverty
>Rockwell clip on "national socialism" related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShXEiA-1RI

Marxist socialism, conversely, is inherently selfish. Each individual is concerned only that he receives the share of wealth that he is entitled to.
>the poor are taken care of, regardless of the effect the wealth transfer has on total output
>goal of the welfare is to: shrink inequality
>Thatcher clip on "socialism" related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdR7WW3XR9c

>>130912877

You may be mistaking me for a egalitarian/leftist of some sort.

>then who was the one deciding what to do with gooods ?

Onwership by the community =/= collective operation of.

The community oversees the individual to ensure they do not act inappropriately or contrary to the common interest. In return for the efficient distribution of goods and services to the community and providing small jobs to the youth/those needing it, the individual/business is allowed to carve out a living from the fruits of their own labours.

You may think this is "capitalist" in nature, but it isn't. It's a market-based mechanism, like capitalism, sure, but it doesn't have the (by my point of view) drawbacks of: degenerate consumerism and profligacy, destruction of any social values it can get away with in order to generate as much revenue as possible, cause debt slaves and be forced to import sandniggers in order to artificially prop up it's own economic growth.

It's about the partnership between the individual and the community so they both benefit, rather than the individual taking as much advantage of the community as possible in order to generate profits.

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>>130910904
>>130910901
>>130910914
>>130911160
>>130911165
>>130911279

International Socialism = USSR
National Socialism = Germany

Just because you reject the idea cos you like your Adolf means nothing since Adolf had much in common with Joseph. Especially economically. No matter how much you pray to your beliefs. Reality is simple. Saying that you would retain your economic freedoms and rights and NatSoc is being a believer in USSR right after revolution that you will not be sent to gulags for owning a small shop.

>>130913599
Socialism in One Country was not internationalist

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I fucking hate stormniggers, fuck outta here

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>>130913708
Tell me how USSR was one country? Tell me they did not spread it to other nations worldwide.

>>130913708

It was internationalist in nature. Perhaps not Globalist in nature, but definitely internationalist. The Soviet Union was made up of dozens of national (ethnic/cultural) entities and came within a hair breadth of joining with the PRC in one socialist state.

>>130913858
trotzky was the permanent revolution stalin just for the ussr

>>130913482
over typed and over intellectually sounding babbling that does not give clear answer on simple questions
everything that you typed is happening in countries that are using lefty side of economy

facism, socialism national socialism and communism - countries that adapted rules of those systems are collapsing, rich are getting richer and poor are poorest by day there is more inequalitymore debt and more problems

>You may think this is "capitalist" in nature
of course it is
every country that adapted even small amount of free market into a branch of economy had benefits

>degenerate consumerism and profligacy, destruction of any social values it can get away with in order to generate as much revenue as possible, cause debt slaves and be forced to import sandniggers in order to artificially prop up it's own economic growth.
yes they are all caused by socialism or more precisely Keynesian economics that are now present in USA and west
>>130913708
USSR was a one country ? you should educate yourself

>>130913866
So was Nazi Germany.They wanted to conquer whole world,just like Soviets wanted to spread communism onto the whole world.

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>>130912473
>he nationalized everything
No he didn't. He nationalized SOME things.

>muh one institute
Ok, please explain the conditions of: Ford, Fanta (Coca Cola), GE, and the numerous other companies operating in Nazi Germany.

The major issue was widespread price controls, but these were in response to the massive trade boycotts (Jew-led) & the general protectionism of the time (due to the Great Depression)

Other governments used things like subsidies to indirectly control prices, Germany did NOT have this option because they nationalized the (((central bank))) which effectively prevented them from taking out (((loans))) for this purpose.

>>130912597
mate, there were still completely private (for profit) businesses run in Nazi Germany. Not all of them of course, but the fact that ANY of them still existed means that Nat. Soc. absolutely does NOT qualify as "socialism".

>>130914409
u dont understand much do you ?

>>130914586
Yeah sorry,I forgot Hitler was peacefull and not a megalomaniac.He had no plans of world conquest after securing Russia.My bad.

>>130914367
At first, but that obviously changed immediately after WW2.

Stalin put Socialist governments in ALL of Eastern Europe, and was instrumental in funding gommunism in China and by extension the DPRK.

One country my ass....

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>>130914680
Uhmmmm acktually, Hitler wanted to conquer the whole galaxy!

>>130914371

I gave you an in depth answer to the question. Don't want an answer? Don't ask the question, Pretty straight forward.

>>130914409

>They wanted to conquer whole world

lol, if you really believe this, then nothing I say right now will break your conditioning. Spend another sixth months on /pol/ then ask whatever it is you're asking.

>>130914536

>but the fact that ANY of them still existed means that Nat. Soc. absolutely does NOT qualify as "socialism".

Socialism and Marxism are not mutually inclusive. Whatever you've been raised to believe is "socialism" does not necessarily mean that what the word is. There's not any more ways for me to say what I've said.

Socialism does NOT mean that someone cannot act on individual interest

Socialism does NOT mean that someone cannot profit from their labours

Socialism does NOT mean that the community destroys the individual

>>130914680
yeah u just proved that ur an idiot...

germany doesent had the capabilites to conquer the world and he knew that and all his generals and staff ...

and calling him a megalomaniac is just proving that u dont know shit about the whole thing

>>130914536
>The major issue was widespread price controls, but these were in response to the massive trade boycotts (Jew-led) & the general protectionism of the time (due to the Great Depression)
this is exacly what commies did
price controlling is not only retarded from the economical view but it's also a marxist idea
besides if goverment controlls prices it does not need to control shops/companies directly

>Nationalized the (((central bank))) which effectively prevented them from taking out (((loans))) for this purpose.
xD
you have no idea about laws of economy right ?
they nationalized bank to PRINT MONEY
and when they printed money they were growing they own debt trough INFLATION

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>>130914872
kys

>>130914930
you didn't gave an answer
all you did was to present marxist point of view on economy
and all of that you typed was happening in USSR and germany

>>130914930
I'm on my last year,studying history.I've read great many books on the subject,including Inside the Third Reich,Mein Kampf,Table talks,etc...
I can tell you're very undereducated.
>>130915048
Nice argument.

>>130914680

>I forgot Hitler was peacefull and not a megalomaniac

All actions in the war, from a German perspective, fell under one of three catagories:

The unification of Germans and German-speaking lands into one nation (This is reasonable).

The defense of Germany from foreign military powers like France, whom Hitler repeatedly offered peace deals to, even though he was winning at the time (information from the British government showed that Hitler send no fewer than two dozen offers for peace after the Battle of France when Germany was at it's peak and didn't have to have peace with Britain).

And the defense of sovereign people's who had not attempted to harm Germany or it;s reich (The Soviet Union had invaded and wiped out the ind-pendant nations of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, attempted to take over Finland, but was fought off, took Moldova from Romania, etc.). All of these wars were wars not of defense or reasonable political action, but of aggressive military expansion. The Soviet Union was a menace and had to be stopped and Germany's war against it was justified in all measurable ways.

>>130915309

I type all of that shit out and as soon as I'm done, you blatantly out yourself as a shitposter. Good timing. I won;t be responding to you anymore.

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>>130913722
Poor kike, you should put yourself in the oven.

>>130911232
Nice Strasser quote there buddy

>its another 'Nazis were socialist' thread again

>>130912457
Oh yeah, Strasser just wanted to ally with the USSR. Way better. What could possibly go wrong?

>claiming to be national socialists
>are actually strongly for authoritarian capitalism
kill yourselves you dumb americans

both communism and capitalism are jewish ideologies

>>130915296
>>130915296
>>>130915296

>>130915496
>hitler gassed the jews
>the holocaus is a hoax
pick one
some of pol users glorify hitler for killing kikes but on the other side they claim that holocaus is just a made up term so the jews can have benefits from muh gorylions
it's time to decide ?

>>130915662
You realize that NatSoc economics are just post-keynesian capitalism right

>>130915704
The Holocaust is a hoax but it should have happened

That was too easy

>>130911564
Oh so when the state helps private owned companies with state funds for further private benefits in exchange of future help by such big corporations, the capitalist system suddenly turns socialist

Well, I guess there has never been a true capitalist society, right guys?

>>130915595
>What could possibly go wrong?

Nothing because they would never run out of resources and London would be a fat crater.

>>130915395
>I type all of that shit out
Funny thing is,everything you wrote is shit.It has no basis in reality,it's funny when you think about it.
You made Hitler a victim.You made him seem as if though he wanted peace,BECAUSE HE SAID SO.
Guess what,last girl I fucked-I told her I loved her.I actually just wanted to fuck her from time to time.
The sooner you start looking at actions and not words,the better for you my man
>Good timing. I won;t be responding to you anymore.
Too bad,leave before you dig yourself a deeper hole.

>>130915270

>all you did was to present marxist point of view on economy

Not sure if you're incapable of reading, but Ill say this one last time:

I am anti-marxist. The Economic systems in place in National Socialist Germany, The Soviet Union and the United states were all noticably different from one another.

Reconciling the interests of the Individual and the interests of the community is not Marxism. Marxism is state-enforced egalitarianism, National Socialist Germany is hierarchical and natural selection-ist in nature. Capitalism is hierarchical and natural selection-ist in nature, but has no moral compass and degrades everything it touches, National Socialism has a moral code of ethics. the differences are night and day.

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>>130915776
(((Nothing))) indeed!

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minarchism and physical removal of all leftists is the only way

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>>130914371
Communism & socialism are clearly failing, but the most recent "fascist" country was Pinochet's Chile and it certainly didn't collapse.
>pic related

I agree that private enterprise is important, but pure capitalism is not the answer. Lassiez-faire capitalism will ALWAYS lead to Keynesian economics IF the people are allowed to vote for it, and if nationalism is not the norm.

Fascism is the BEST option for longevity of national health. By keeping a nation homogenous, you can keep the demand for Keynesian gibs-me-dats at a minimum.
>people feel bad taking from their own group
>social ostracization against welfare-dependency only works within homogenous groups

Just look at America, as soon as we let nonwhites and women vote....BAM! A welfare state is put into place. This became a positive feedback loop and now we've got fucking Berniebros demanding free college so they can spend more time learning about Marxism.

I'm for as much free market as possible, but pure libertarianism is INCAPABLE of defending against the left. Fascism offers a compromise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vMypCinkRk

>>130915750
>the extensely proven plannified segregation and posterior elimination of opposing/different-to-what-the state-wanted social groups by exploiting to exhaustion and liquidation of non-profitable prisoners never happened just because the greedy jew leaders inflated their numbers for political use and propaganda

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>>130910737
Don't trust Stalin

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>>130916080
>the extensely proven plannified segregation
This happened
>and posterior elimination of opposing/different-to-what-the state-wanted social groups by exploiting to exhaustion and liquidation of non-profitable prisoners
This didn't. Neither does it have any documented evidence as you so claim. You aren't by any chance that spanish communist are you?

>>130910737
>not a socialist
>What a fuck is wrong with you?
Everything not national Bolshevist is cucked af

Combine the authoritarianism of Stalin and add the racism of Hitler.

Cucks think Hitler and Stalin are evil and did bad things, but that's only because liberals argue killing people is bad to cuck white people out of existence.

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>>130915704
>Play by the rules i set for you goy!
Haha this stupid kike is so triggered.

>>130916209
>This didn't. Neither does it have any documented evidence as you so claim
There's documented evidence of exploitation till exhaustion, of abuse of prisoners and stripping of basic rights by lending prisoner workforce to villages near the camps.

I've personally spoken to non-jewish survivors of the camps, testimonies are countless

Again, some fabrication for propaganda use don't exclude the validity of countless evidence

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>>130916471
Except that none of that is capable of killing 6 million jews. Furthermore that also does not count as the "Holocaust", which refers to the mass extermination of the jews. Illtreatment and forced labor are not planned mass extermination, last time I checked.

>I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW I SPOKE TO (((HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS)))
>MUH TESTIMONIES
Testimonies you say? Have this
https://youtu.be/YVmIaBW-HjI

Also not denying being the spanish communist. Top fucking kek

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>>130914930
>what i'm raised to believe
Nigger.....it's in the fucking dictionary, it's official. Game over.

I UNDERSTAND that it used to mean something different/ more ambiguous, I truly do. The CURRENT DEFINITION is what matters, and "community ownership of the MoP" was NOT a universal feature of Nazi Germany.

It's also a fucking stupid concept to implement. Businesses should be prevented from taking advantage of people, but "community ownership" of the means of production is leftist stupidity.

Some people are willing to incur risk (entrepreneur), some people would rather avoid that and have a guaranteed wage (employee).

Community ownership forces EVERYONE to accept risk, because they own the factory. If nobody buys anything they ALL lose their own assets.

>>130915750
so all those Poles who were killed in DEATH camps were part of a hoax ?
>>130915712
keynesian economics hare socialist economy under new name
>>130915855
>I am anti-marxist. The Economic systems in place in National Socialist Germany, The Soviet Union and the United states were all noticably different from one another.
you can't be anti marxist because national socialism has no economical differences with communism they are all the same, the only diffearnce is that hitler used "Nation" as an excuse and marx used "People" as excuse
but the results were the same
>>130916061
are you mad ?
Pinochet's country was not facist
facism was created by mussolini as the third way of social revolution
marx used "people" as excuse hitler used "nation" and mussolini used "country" as excision for slavery and stealing
"Wszystko w państwie nic poza państwem nic przeciwko państwu" <- that was the idea of mussolini's fascism it has every similarity of communism and nat soc

Pinochet's country was based on free market and free economics not on goverment controll and price overseeing
it was authoritarian free market country that reached height for a small price of killing some commies
now on the other hand commies and hitlur killed much more and gained fucking nothing

>Lassiez-faire capitalism will ALWAYS lead to Keynesian economics IF the people are allowed to vote for it, and if nationalism is not the norm.

if nationalism is a norm people WILL vote for social privileges for them it's that simple
>Just look at America, as soon as we let nonwhites and women vote....BAM! A welfare state is put into place. This became a positive feedback loop and now we've got fucking Berniebros demanding free college so they can spend more time learning about Marxism.
that's the result of democracy and giving voting privilages for non taxpayers so the elites can stay in power
every democracy failed if amurica won't implement monarchy or other form of one man ruled goverment it will burn

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>>130916921
>so all those Poles who were killed in DEATH camps were part of a hoax ?
They're approximately as real as the claim that the Danzig Germans were being killed in retaliation to the invasion.

>>130916697
>Implying workcamps are bad
>Implying purging dangerous elements of society is bad
Why deny something that if happened happened legally, organized and for the greater good of the nation.

>Cucks really think mass murder is bad
If mass murder was really that bad, why was every leader named "the great" a mass murderer?

>>130917083
>Why deny something that if happened happened legally, organized and for the greater good of the nation.
Work camps are good. Dangerous elements should be dealt with in multiple ways such as deportation (if said dangerous element is an ethnicity or religion) or imprisonment (if said dangerous element is a behavior or culture or mental disorder). Work camps are good because of the latter.

>>130917083
>>130917185
While I do say this, it is important to note that the work camps of the SS were not as inhumane as everyone's favorite spanish communist here claims. As evidenced by the testimonies from actual inmates, they had football matches, theaters, orchestras, and even plays. One would ask why they'd illtreat the inmates and then subject them to such privileges.

Answer: They didn't. It's just more holohoaxes for the goyim.

>>130916697
Well, I know nothing will make you change your mind about it.
But the Holocaust, although it's usually accompanied by the 666 gorillion figure, refers to the masss extermination of jews, which despite the numbers, happened.

Oh, your youtube video sure changed my mind about the hours-long conversations I held with people of varied origin and background that were interned in Mauthausen, Evenssen Gussen, treblinka and Dachau about their experience there and how they watched their fellow prisoners die of exhaustion, starvation, despair, illness and brutal capo/SS beatings.

I'm spanish, proud and not a commie. It's just that I hate it when both jews and nazis like you fall for (or conciously spread) idiotic propaganda.

>>130910737
in capitalism by accumulatng assets you can move to top

in socialism you will not get to top unless you a member of party and promote shitty ideology.

hitler had anal hierarchy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrerprinzip
nazi germany was even less stable than ussr

in ussr everything collapsed before 1990 and people lost interest to work.

>>130917020
of course they are
kys lefty parasite
germans wanted to purge world from non germans and in the end they will end up as eunuchs in muslims harem's
and that's good

>>130917397
>in capitalism by accumulatng assets you can move to top
>he believes the american dream to be real
kek

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>>130917374
>But the Holocaust, although it's usually accompanied by the 666 gorillion figure, refers to the masss extermination of jews, which despite the numbers, happened.
I love debunking foolish lies such as yours. What, you had hour long discussions with Holohoax survivors? There are known liars who lied for DECADES before being found out. And these are just the ones that had huge blatant holes in their fabrications because their claims were extreme even by holohoax testimony standards.
Eat shit you spanish commie.
>>130917404
If you say so ya kike.

>>130917397
>this
the main problem with lefties are that they do not understand that there is a very little chance that they will have direct benefits from these ideologies
only up rank members will

>>130916921
>you can't be anti marxist because national socialism has no economical differences with communism they are all the same

What you've done

Asked a question
Read my response
Ignore everything I've said
Tell me I'm wrong or haven't answered the question
Then proceed to add nothing as to why you think you're right or have the facts on your side

Example

>national socialism has no economical differences with communism

One utilized markets to allocate resources and capital, one did not.
One enslaved it's own people through the use of Gulags, one did not
One caused widespread famines amongst its own people, one did not

The list goes on forever.

You're unequivocally wrong. The facts are not on your side in any way, Stop saying shit that isn't measurably by reality.

>>130916806

Why are you ignoring the shit that I am typing, is this all I'm going to get on this board now, people ignoring everything?

Everywhere with any credibility accepts that the definitions of "socialism" are vague and indefinite. That's where the describing form of socialism comes from. National Socialism, Marxist Socialism, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_socialism

Look at this shit. Socialism is not specific to what you are saying.

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>>130917374
>>130917541
>m-muh conversations!
Pic related is one who has NEVER ADMITTED TO BE A LIAR despite his claims being scientifically impossible. And he's lied for decades too.

>>130917296
Oh boy, I wonder how so many died of tifus if the camps were so fabulous, and provided by a predatory state that ruthlessly prosecuted opposition!
I bet uncle Stalin really copied the idea for his Siberian Gulag Experience Voluntary-Vacation Camping™

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>>130917374
>>130917541
>>130917647
Or pic related who went on LIVE TELEVISION and LIED out of his ass with his wife when his claims were geographically impossible. And it took 2 decades after his TV debut to debunk his false story.

What are a bunch of hour long conversations compared to this?

>>130917460
it was not ?
collpase started before 1928 becuse goverment confiscated all hard earned gold and implemented regulations
1928 was end result of those ideas
if you are really that smart check the program of american communist party from 19xx and you will see that every point from it is alredy implemented

>>130917185
>Implying subversive elements of society weren't always used to undermine the nation
>Implying it's better to deport a biological weapon than neutralize it.
If you assume 0.5% of your population (In the US this would be 1.6million people) are potential terrorists and for every real terrorist you catch you'll catch a couple of innocent people, so you'd want to arrest ~2-3% of the population to be on the safe side of the terrorism problem.

They want to destroy the country and nothing can stop these terrorists from trying to destroy the nation, why not kill them, it's expensive to feed them, if you let them go they'll fight you later.

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>>130910737
I want to prevent pic related from happening

>>130917734
>>130917647
>>130917541
Wow, I guess this means EVERYONE LIED! People from diverse ethnic, religious, political and social background all for one big lie, wow
Oh boy, I must have been hard to brief all the folks about the lies they should tell

>quoting Adolf "I will say whatever the crowd wants to hear" Hitler as if his word is gospel

The guy was like a stand up comedian, feeling up the people, seeing where the room swings, and going all out there.
He want from monarchy resurrection, to workers communism, to protestant values authoritarian democratic thing, to conservative anti-socialism, back to socialism, back to autocratic rule with the intelligentsia as aristocracy.

Stop listening to what he said and look at what he did.
Also stop worshiping a failed dictator, but thats for another time.

>>130916085
>>130910901


why are they doing this

>>130917724
>Oh boy, I wonder how so many died of tifus if the camps were so fabulous
Time for you to learn some history. The primary reason for the typhus outbreaks was because the camp supply lines (train routes) were bombed by the allies. This in turn caused a shortage of Zyklon B, the pesticide used to kill lice (and highly inefficiently at it too, the Allies had the same problem with their own concentration camps and were forced to invent a new pesticide to combat the problem).
>and provided by a predatory state that ruthlessly prosecuted opposition!
The only opposition that was "ruthlessly persecuted" were the communist party members and of course the communist/socialist elements of the NSDAP during the Night of Long Knives. Civilians were not put through the same punishment for obvious reasons.
>>130917855
Not everyone lied. I literally just linked some testimonies which are verified by historians to be truthful. No, bullshit about muh 66 trillion and muh starvation and muh slavery are lies. All this was meant to point out is that your supposed conversations could just as easily be lies. Just because of "MUH DIVERSITY" and "MUH HOUR LONG CONVERSATIONS" do not make them valid.

>>130917759
I actually dont know what you're replying to but
>what is dialectic social evolution

Socialism killed over 60 million in the Stalin days alone due to gulags for thought-crime and famine.

Capitalism has resulted in innovations and technology enabling humans to produce far more food than is required, and is inexplicably linked to democracy and free speech.

Nuff said.

>>130916085
>>130917984
The hand-in-waistcoat (also referred to as hand-inside-vest, hand-in-jacket, hand-held-in, or hidden hand) was a gesture commonly found in portraiture during the 18th and 19th centuries. The pose appeared by the 1750s to indicate leadership in a calm and firm manner. The pose is most often associated with Napoleon I of France due to its use in several portraits made by his artist, Jacques-Louis David, amongst them the 1812 painting Napoleon in His Study. The pose, thought of as being stately, was copied by other portrait painters across Europe and America. The majority of paintings and photographs show the right hand inserted into the waistcoat/jacket but some sitters appear with the left hand inserted. The pose was also frequently seen in mid-nineteenth century photography.

t. wikipedia
you have to cherrypick hard to decide its a jew thing

>>130910737

>Comparing communism to nazism

Someone didn't do their homework

>>130910914
>Literally stated in his book the red of the flag represented socialism

>>130917787
National socialism is founded upon morality and virtues you retard. Going around aimlessly murdering people is neither. Humanely deporting them is. At worst you deport them while seizing their possessions in the country. If they still try to kill you then by all means, off with their heads.

>>130917460
it is unreal for most people now, but it doesnt change the nature of capitalism
there are too many peope on top , so mobility dropped
better to fix conditions and manipulations with debt and fiat currency (that gives life support to part of elite) than to adopt retarded system
>>130917542
they live in wet dreams with little ponies

in reality they will get totalitarianism

>>130918132
>i have never heard of prussian socialism: the post

>>130918132
technically correct but it was Hitlers special snowflake version of Socialism, which is so far apart from Marxism it's not funny

>>130913708
interNATIONalist, not intercountrylist or whatever
russia was an empire with a dozen nations in it
the ussr inherited them, it was by definition internationalist even if it stayed in one state

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>>130910737
There's a huge difference between communism and national socialism.

Communism is fear based. The government acts a protected class that works as hard as it can to keep your face between the dirt and the boot of the elites. It's a Jewish system designed to make the people submissive, to destroy their culture, their faith, their individuality, and their love anything except the state.

National socialism is hope and pride based. You work for yourself by bettering your nation. You treat your people like they're your family. The government is your protector, and you are free to be a part of it as long as you're qualified. Individuality is rewarded as long as it works in the best interests of the people.

>>130915270
He did.
You are just unwilling or unable to understand.

>>130917569
>You're unequivocally wrong. The facts are not on your side in any way, Stop saying shit that isn't measurably by reality.
every time a commie says something like that i am 100% sure that i am right
it is only a natural way for lefty ideologist to lie
why would you tell everyone that you want to rob them from their goods because nation/country community "needs"
everything that i'v said is right because it can be "measured" in reality and to be exact it can be read in constitution of your country, especially in economical regulations that they implemented in last 100 years
amurica changed from free market to a state when you can't even plant potatoes on your own soil
if you wanna prove me wrong screencap economical constitution from before and after 1928 (in USA) screencap 3rd reich and ussr and compare them all and then we can begin normal discussion
for now your arguments are invalid
>>130918026
:?
>>130918153
>morality and virtues
kill every non germans
sure..
>>130918295
both are fear based delusional ideologies that are stealing and murdering people for "greater good" of nation or whatever

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>>130916921
Quit acting like you care about the Poles kike.

>>130910737

You fucking idealists are just as fucked in the head as liberals.

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>>130918410
>kill every non germans
Oh yes, look at this violent brutal racial supremacist. What an evil man indeed!

>>130910737
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS xD

>>130910737
Im not a faggot who worship man.

>>130915113
The United States also rules the world. Does that mean its flag is planted in every country? No. It means it is the one unchallenged economic and military Hegemonic Superpower on Earth. That's what Goebbels means, he doesn't mean one Earth government under the Swastika faggot. Also that flag, KYS

>>130918348
he didn't
if we are talking about ideology it must end up on economical ground
and there is no economical results between those two ideologies
the only differences lie in excuses
>>130918489
oh sure he cared about families and kids
that's why he went to war that runied country instead of repairing economy so degenerates could regenerate from their mental state

>>130918410
>both are fear based delusional ideologies that are stealing and murdering people for "greater good" of nation or whatever
So why do communist countries starve while Germany went from wiping their asses with money to building the first rockets? Really activates your [insert type of tree nut here].

>>130915107
>the commies did this
So. Did. The. Capitalists.
They subsidized their own industries in order to keep prices low to boost exports. It's the same fucking thing with one extra step.

Price controlling is not ALWAYS retarded. It depends on the industry and each situation is different.

>controlled prices = controlled company
Yes I agree, but my point is NOT ALL prices were controlled in Germany. Certainly there were a lot, but that was SOLELY due to the specifics of the worldwide situation (Great Depression + boycott + National bank) and the absolute need to rebuild German infrastructure. Their price controls went beyond that of commonly accepted Nat Soc. doctrine as the war approached.

>central bank
Yes I fucking know they did it to print their own money. However you need to remember that this new money was not backed by the value of a specific commodity like ours was with gold. Their currency was work-based and they didn't have to pay back the old (((central bank))) with interest like we do. Inflation was being suppressed by P.C. during the re-armament, but this would've been completely controllable post-war had they won.

They certainly had MUCH less debt per capita than the US does now. Additionally, they didn't have to worry about the INTEREST on that debt, so they could choose to amortize the debt and its effects over a longer period to reduce their impact if the creditors (German manufacturers) were willing to allow it.
>companies loyal to Germany, not to maximizing profit would approve this

This tactic, plus the notable lack of (((speculators))) who would normally cut and run during this situation causing more market panic, means that Germany would've almost certainly been completely fine in keeping the inflation under control.

>>130918295
>National Socialism is not fear based
>just don't criticize it or you get sent to a camp

Bloody sort yourself out, bucko.

>>130918515
Fuck off Brutus

>>130918206
>>130918225
>assumes im talking about marxist socialism/bolshevism

>not learning about context clues in elementary school

>>130911627
Fake quote kys.

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>>130917609
Yeah you just get this type of shit and you get to be all one with the niggers. Love (((capitalism)))

>>130918701
It's not that you couldn't criticize it. It's that if you offered constructive criticism to make it better your opinion would be taken into consideration. But as it was working at the time very well, the only reason why one would speak out against it was because they were a communist, a Jew, a democrat or a Christcuck and therefore 100% disposable because their purpose is not to improve the ideology but to tear down and replace it with their own

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>>130918651
>that's why he went to war that runied country instead of repairing economy so degenerates could regenerate from their mental state
>instead of repairing economy
But he had already finished doing that. The war then promptly brought the country back down to its knees, a war that was forced upon him.

>>130918701
>>just don't criticize it or you get sent to a camp
Only communists and socialists get sent to camps ya retard. Also note how the camps didn't exist pre-war. They were a temporary war-only solution to the growing numbers of traitors.
>cuckistan flag
Oops, sorry for trying to argue with you. Beating up retarded kids is pretty wrong imo.

>>130918155
I totally agree with that.
What I meant was that it's practically impossible to go all the way up the ladder only by acquiring assets, because social stratification makes it harder to acquire those in the first place.

>>130918001
>The only opposition that was "ruthlessly persecuted" were the communist party members
Yeah let's totally forget about prosecution of gypsies, christians, liberals, gays, poets, critical writters, etc.

>Time for you to learn some history
More like time for me to read mental gymnastics about something I already stated is not what I'm talking about

About the testimonies
> verified by historians to be truthful
as Many more are verified to be true by historians that claim that
>muh starvation and muh slavery
were as true a reality in the camp as typhus epidemics and shortage of supplies

I talked to non-jewish, non-communist people that were interned in the camps, whose stories are verified by a number of documents, photographies and other testimonies.

Sometimes you people forget that more non-jewish non-german people died in the camps and most of those are not in for sionist propaganda.

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>>130918840
>or a Christcuck
Hitler himself was christian tho
Replace christcuck with atheist and you're 100% correct.

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>>130918701
>don't actively work to undermine the state and fuck over your own people for shekels or you'll get sent to a camp that has a swimming pool, library, brothel, and cafe
FTFY

Started reading again. First I'm working my way through On Liberty and the Road to Serfdom, which, paradoxically, has raised my view of Stalin and Hitler. But I still don't really understand the NazBol and Fascist criticisms of Liberalism. Reading Mein Kampf next. Any other fashy books /pol/ recommends?

>>130918926
Hitler being Christian didn't stop Catholics and Protestants alike rallying against him because 'muh chosen people and our Judeo-Christian values' who choose their religion over their race every time.

>>130918639
Sure,but United States policy is quite different than the Policy of Third Reich.

>>130919138
Hitler's Revolution by Richard Tedor. Explains tenants of National Socialism and German Foreign policy that answers the questions of why Hitler did what he did. You can download via PDF or Google drive. Highly recommended.

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>>130918903
>Yeah let's totally forget about prosecution of gypsies, christians, liberals, gays, poets, critical writters, etc.
Nice jewish propaganda there bud. Now lets seem some proof. Especially ironic that you'd bring up prosecution of christians considering that Hitler was a roman catholic. Fun fact, the Swastika symbol came from a tilted reversed flag of the swastika that he saw at his church. The more you know!
Also if you don't think that gays aren't a problem to society then you're a kind of cancer on your own (well, you already are so that was redundant).
>More like time for me to read mental gymnastics about something I already stated is not what I'm talking about
You asked why the camps had typhus problems if they were supposedly so luxurious. I explained to you why.
>muh fake historians xD
Oh don't mind me. just quoting David Irving, You know, the only known historian who has ever interviewed Hitler's inner circle.
>were as true a reality in the camp as typhus epidemics and shortage of supplies
Sure thing bud. As true as communism working too amirite?
>I talked to non-jewish, non-communist people that were interned in the camps
Big deal. There are actual jewish communists who claim that there was no Holocaust too. Oops.
>I talked to non-jewish, non-communist people that were interned in the camps
Photographs? Like that one doctored one of a train crash that's supposedly bodies being burnt in an open field in Auschwitz? Good one! Sure showed me.
>Sometimes you people forget that more non-jewish non-german people died in the camps and most of those are not in for sionist propaganda.
Lol ok.
>>130919154
>but hitler was a catholic

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>>130918662
>pic rel for you
>wiping their asses with money
pls
>>130918663
>pic rel not for you
how the capitalist can subsidize his own business ?
1. he had hidden stash of his own money
2. government gave this (read redistributed) to him
GOVERMENT GAVE
now let it sink slowly

>Price controlling is not ALWAYS retarded. It depends on the industry and each situation is different.
of course it is
the goverment does not know why goods should cost this much and not that much

people are exchanging their goods and if they decide that deal is good they exhange
that is if goverment does not interfere

>controlled prices = controlled company
dude if you controll prices of oil or other key component you can literally block expansion in smaller businesses and give more room for companies

>central bank
it was bad because it wasn't backed by gold it was money printed of thin air
every money must be backed by goods production and because every good can be exchanged for gold, well it will sooner or later turn bad

okay so what was the debt of germany after ending of ww2 (without cost of reparations and rebuliding ?)
hitler is famous for alot of things but not for economical disaster that his economical ideas caused

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>>130919388
>IT'S NOT ZIONIST PROPAGANDA IF THEY AREN'T JEWISH
Apparently the jews themselves seem to disagree. Whoops.

>>130919214
How? Hitler always said that only the resources of the entire European continent could stand up to the USA and he was absolutely right. If Germany controlled the continent her economic and military might would match the USA eventually. She would dominate all major markets, culturally and military she would be unmatched and her ability to project her power would be global just like the USA. That doesn't mean countries would just be invaded for the hell of it. No country in WW2 was invaded just because Hitler felt like taking them over.

>>130919388
Heil Hitler, but him being a Catholic doesn't change the fact that many of the resistance offered to him came from the Catholic church.

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>>130919437
>Oy Vey you need Capitalism goy!

>>130918867
it was not forced on him
the whole idea was to kill the countries that germany owned a money from ww1
whole ideology was made up to force nation to join him
ironically in 1938 debs was so low that there was no need for war but it was too late for tha, the machine was so big and agressive that would kill hitler even if he wanted to stop it
>>130918926
no he was not a christian

>>130918153
>National socialism is founded upon morality and virtues you retard.
>Going around aimlessly murdering people is neither.
Good goy, keep believing what (((they))) tell you.

Nations rely on the strength of the nation you want your nation to be emasculated, I have no respect for confused individuals.

Either you respect the leaders decision and accept that leaders sometimes need to purge large elements of society, or you are civic nationalist, which is sad as it means you are a complete cuck and probably masturbate to Lauren Southern Videos.

>>130919618
>oy vey who sponsored hitler's rise to power !
>Oyvey who sponsored marx rise to power
oyvey shut it down

>>130919388
I had 2 uncles who were gay, it's a part of my family history. I think LGBolshevism is self-evidently a problem, along with all the other homophobic arguments that ring true, but do you think nazis today would still tolerate "based gays" who still want to live otherwise traditional lives?

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>>130919614
True. An enemy of the state is an enemy of the state no matter their ethnicity or religion.
>>130919653
>it was not forced on him
Expected no less from a polish kike. Why is it that the majority of JIDF shills seem to come from Poland?
>>130919655
>ur being lied too!
>gay! civ nat! cuck!
Topkek, all this coming from nu/pol/ is almost poetic.

>>130919773
>but do you think nazis today would still tolerate "based gays" who still want to live otherwise traditional lives?
I discussed this once in /nsg/. The consensus was that it was homosexual behavior that should be outlawed, but not homosexuals or homosexuality. Essentially speaking, a homosexual who chose to engage in heterosexuals acts or remain celibate would be allowed.

>>130912134
I like it

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>>130910737
Sorry, I'm into ideologies that actually work.

>>130919795
>Expected no less from a polish kike. Why is it that the majority of JIDF shills seem to come from Poland?
gee i dunno, maybe that's because 98% of Bolshevik party was composited of jews
and poland was invaded and conquered by Bolsheviks
soo yeah i wonder why..
agin educate yourself instead of posting memes
also daily reminder that lenin was german's agent ^^

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>>130919755
Prove it kike. You don't expect me to take your word for it do you?

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>>130916921
Pinochet was in power for YEARS before really pushing to implement free-market economics. He was a fascist first, and a free marketer second.

Fascist economics got their runaway inflation under control, Lassiez-faire policies allowed them more room to grow after the economy was primed.

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>>130919976
So you admit to being a JIDF shill then? That's not a particularly clever strategy don't you think?
>also daily reminder that lenin was german's agent ^^
Daily reminder that there were plenty of german communists, especially the ones that started the revolution of 1918. All jews, mind you, just like Lenin and Co.

>>130920029
He's right int that some of Hitler's earlier financers were jews, in particular Paul Warburg. However the second he started ranting about the jews they cut all funds. So while he is historically accurate his implications are entirely incorrect.

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>>130920029
>Oy vey, anything but money lending, better rev up the gas chambers

>>130920179
*Max Warburg not Paul Warburg. Paul was Max's brother who was the chairman of the Federal Reserve.

>>130919388
>Hitler was roman catholic
Oh, so he was a jew lover after all? Gee, it's like his statements were mixed and mostly adapted and turnt to convice an audience, but contradictions are not an option I guess

Your whole post is 'YEAH but I have this that say otherwise CHECKM8 COMMIE FAG'
In conclusion, segregation and exploit of political opponents is extensively proved, but you will defend your saint anyway, so I guess you just listen to what you like to hear.

>>130919441
>'Everything I don't like is jewish and communist!'
No, but it's also not zionist propaganda if it doensn't fit your narraitve.

The UdSSR was not national-socialistic
Stalin and Stalinism were
Stalin was nearer to Adolf than Benito, he eradicated every form of internationalism out of CCCP, marxistic kikes like Trotsky and the rest

>>130919458
Because Nazi idiology is a bit different than democracy?
They were social darwinists,US is not.

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>>130920243
Yeah i know you love those kike bankers and good goys.

>>130920311
*Representative of the chairman of the federal reserve at the Treaty of Versailles. Keep screwing this history up.

>>130920313
>Oh, so he was a jew lover after all
Roman catholics aren't jews. But nice pagan propaganda I guess.
>Gee, it's like his statements were mixed and mostly adapted and turnt to convice an audience
But they aren't. Clearly you just don't like that your agenda and his words do not mesh.
>Your whole post is 'YEAH but I have this that say otherwise CHECKM8 COMMIE FAG'
But that's how arguing works. Do you not know how to argue or something?
>In conclusion, segregation and exploit of political opponents is extensively proved
Neither of which are wrong. Or implicate any form of "Holocaust"
>but you will defend your saint anyway, so I guess you just listen to what you like to hear.
Cry harder ya commie kike.
>>130920409
But the screenshot in question was a quote, from an Israelite of all people. Unless Israelites aren't Jews anymore.
> No, but it's also not zionist propaganda
Did you even read it? The historian in question LITERALLY ADMITTED that it was zionist propaganda. Holy fuck JIDF shills are terrible at arguing.
Also didn't I just quote not one but two communist jews who actually lived in the camps and clearly stated that the Holocaust was a farce? Anyone who speaks the truth is an ally of mine and anyone who speaks falsities is an enemy. Simple as that.

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>>130920443
Jews are cool, stormniggers aren't.

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>>130920637
Interesting that you'd post an image of a jewish falseflagging shill while claiming that they're cool.

>>130912172
exactly this

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>>130920637
>Jews are cool goys! Honest.

>>130920029
you are on 4 chan
ask others for sauces check them
that's how you are gaining knowledge
i'm a lurker i don't have folder with memes i only have memorized knowledge because i want to know why my counrty is fucked up and who is responsible for it

>>130920034
he was a general so of course he had power
but the facism is not his ideology because he created free market economy not a state controlled economy that's why they won aginst inflation
agin facism is economical ideology first then political ideology second

>>130920098
>So you admit to being a JIDF shill then? That's not a particularly clever strategy don't you think?
i don't know what flag is hiding under your's but there is huge chance that you are from west because your resoning is disturbed and you don't have knowledge about politics
that's why you are running into gulity excuses in discussion
we Poles experienced communism national socialism and we know the differeacne
west didn't experienced communism in the form like we did but you have communism 2.0 better and more dangerous
by the time that you realize why communism is dangerous you will perish
and if you go back to hitler like ideology you will perish faster
"national socialism is the peak of socialism and will be it's last form before it's own destruction"

>>130910737
Ever heard about the third way? The nayis were economically centrist

>>130918132
Akshyually the red and white were the colors of the First Reich.

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>>130920706
>Muh damage control

Nazis lost and they're never coming back. They will always be marginalized, a video game enemy to massacre en masse with zero guilt, a thing for American heroes to punch. And the best part is that you faggots completely deserve it. Stay mad, asshole.

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>>130920637
>UN flag
>jews are cool
i dont believe in the death penalty, but fuck man cmon

>>130920563
>you just don't like that your agenda and his words do not mesh
projecting much

>Do you not know how to argue or something?
>Cry harder ya commie kike
Welp


> I just quote not one but two communist jews who actually lived in the camps and clearly stated that the Holocaust was a farce
wowthischangesallbacktothedrawingboard.jpg

I'm speaking a truth you don't want to hear, so I guess that makes me your... frenemy?

>>130920840
>centrism is biggest most cucked cancer that exists
it's like going straight and having T junction ahead with mountain in the middle

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>>130920863
Well you got nothing to worry about then kike. Go back to sucking dick.

>>130920830
>but there is huge chance that you are from west
Wrong again! JIDF shills truly have nigger tier IQs.
>that's why you are running into gulity excuses in discussion
None of these are excuses or guilty. But cry harder I guess.
>we Poles experienced communism national socialism and we know the differeacne
So why are you even here? I'm anti-communist pro-national socialist. Unless you're genuinely stupid enough to think that they're one and the same, in that case all one has to do is ask if you lived in that time period.

>>130920965
Except that everything I've said clicks exactly with Hitler's words. Tryhard much?
>wowthischangesallbacktothedrawingboard.jpg
Well it certainly puts your "b-but they aren't communist or jews" remarks to question.
>I SWEAR GOY I'M NOT LYING
Get some better arguments for me next time will you? All you did was make yourself look like a laughing stock.

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And while the JIDF shills are still here, allow me to quote the Fuhrer himself on the topic of debating. Maybe then you'll see where your JIDF handbook comes from.

>>130921090
>taiwan
then i was right
you guys are fake USA controlled country that are pushing their ideology so they can have a wager in the relations with china
>I'm anti-communist pro-national socialist.
again socialism is an upgraded version of communism so you are literally commie who thinks otherwise

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>>130910737
>Military means Socialism

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>>130921509

>>130920863
That is the gayest picture I have ever seen. Why do you have it saved, you must be a gay nazi

>>130921509
>you guys are fake USA controlled country
Literally what? The USA doesn't even recognize us as a country. The only fucks that are controlling us is China, or at least trying to.
>again socialism is an upgraded version of communism
Look up prussian socialism for me buddy.

>>130921793
>The USA doesn't even recognize us as a country.
but if they l let's say recognize you as the real china and then help you be independent from china that would mean that china "lost" their territory
and that would be a casus belli that could trigger war
think bigger
>Look up prussian socialism for me buddy.
socialism is and alyways be an ideology that leads to redistribution of goods
it doesnt't matter if you mark it as nation or country or people it alyways redistributes by taking wealth from others
and that's the reson why every socialism is bad because it's placed over STEALING from others

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>>130922167
>but if they l let's say recognize you as the real china and then help you be independent from china that would mean that china "lost" their territory
They recognize us as a part of China you dipshit. That hurts our sovereignty. not helps it. Holy fuck JIDF shills literally have 0 knowledge on politics.
>socialism is and alyways be an ideology that leads to redistribution of goods
*Marxist socialism
There you go, it's fixed. Now go shill elsewhere.

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>>130919437
>capitalists subsidizing
That's exactly what I said you mong. The capitalist countries (UK/France/US) subsidized their own businesses during the depression through (((loans))) and treasury assets.
Subsidizing is a roundabout method of....PRICE CONTROLS!!!

>price controls
You are sitting here whining about "oh muh hitler so stoopid! muh price controls!"
Everybody had fucking price controls, so your argument is fucking wrong. It was the Great Depression, and they were necessary to avoid essential industries/factories shutting down.
None of these countries could allow their key industries to shut down/ move elsewhere. The non-equilibrium price inefficiency is far less consequential than the potential risk of losing major sectors of industry to foreign competitors or bankruptcy.

>controlled enconomy
If you DON'T control prices, your oil refineries might shut down operations. Restarting these operations could take months or years, and that spells certain death for a country stuck in a volatile Europe without the means to make its own steel for guns/boats/tanks.

>shilling for (((central bank)))
>muh Economical disaster!
Kike fucking detected.

You can make bogus guesses about what ""woulda happened"" all you want to.
What ACTUALLY happened is:
Germany went from one of the most devastated & poor countries in the world to one of the richest and most powerful in just 6 years.

pic related

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why can't we all just get along, commies, nazis, muslims, gays, jews etc. we're all people and should love each other

>>130922341
>>130922540
uhh i guess it's a time to actually look up into my genetics because it's really better to just gain money from morons like you that to discuss with you
>>130922540
last time, if government subsidizes their own businesses it is not a capitalist economy it's REDISTRIBUTION
a capitalism can't redistribute anything socialism can it's the main differeance for those two systems

>the great depression
was the RESULT of price controls and subsidizing factories

goverment does not have any money it only has the money that he extracted from it's citizens
and if you push this money into businesses that is not profitable (needs subsidising) you will only cause more bad because the money that could be invested by citizens lies in a pocket of some faggot that don't know how to make good stuff
this will end in recession

>f you DON'T control prices, your oil refineries might shut down operations.
so what ? let it go bankrupt it will be replaced for competent people that will know how to operate this
don't try to repair sinking ship that sails on open ocean abandon it

>Germany went from one of the most devastated & poor countries in the world to one of the richest and most powerful in just 6 years.
by borrowing money
agin look how much in debt germany was

>shilling for (((central bank)))
>muh Economical disaster!
Kike fucking detected.
you do realize that central bank does exacly the same thing that hitler does ? it''s printing money out of thin air and causes inflation
that's why dollar loses it's value and you have more debys by year
>>130922939
fuck you

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>>130920830
Completely wrong.
He was convinced to adopt free market policies by the Chicago boys after 2 years of fascist (specifically anti-communist) ideological roots & rule.
>pic related

The junta was in '73,
"El Plan de Recuperación Económica" wasn't put into place until in April of '75

He was a fascist who slowly relinquished authoritarianism to allow the economy to grow.

Not "le radical an-cap" who breaks all the rules.

>>130910901
He's holding his gun

>>130923427
it's hard for me to translate everything that i read in polish books to english
but agin what you typed is correct

but i was thinking that we are talking about him AFTER he implemented free market economics not before
he might be facist before for all i care but if he implemented a non facist economical laws then by all means he can't be called facist (simply because it's causing misunderstanding) or one should at least state this before all other arguments

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>>130910914
>>130910904
>>130911335
>>130911912
>wir haben nicht ihre Kolonien, wir haben nicht all die möglichkeiten, die diesen Völkern und Staaten zu eigen ist.
>wir müssen unser Reich, in dem wir so beengt sind und so wenig Lebensvorraussetzungen haben, sorgfältig und bedacht bearbeiten
>wir kommen ohne plan nicht aus!

guess who said it?

fucking faggots, you all have zero clue what hitler said and what his ideology was
you are just praising hitler because
>da JOOOOOOOOOOS

>>130923886
>germany
Of course you'd say that. After all you want Mommy Merkel to let you out of your cock cage.

>>130923886
>>130924029
Also literally what the fuck does that even imply? All that quote says is that Hitler admits that he did not have the resources of the Allies and therefore had to be more careful and calculating. Translate this for me will you, commander cuck?

>>130923579
hidden hand, illuminati bullshit

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>>130924029

fuck off, Merkel is shit, because she opened the boarders when neo-marxist idiotlogs cried about all those fucking drowning rapefuge faggots

what if i told you you could be a christian nationalist without fucking praising a socialist fucktard like hitler

stalin
>look the kulaks oppress you, lets fucking genocide them

hitler
>look the jews oppress you, lets fucking genocide them

neo-marxist (((feminists)))
>look white men oppress you, lets genocide them

it's all the same, use your fucking brain for once you wanna be neo-nazi

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>>130924451
>what if i told you you could be a christian nationalist without fucking praising a socialist fucktard like hitler
Lmao the german cuck is upset
>MUH 66 GORILLION
>JEWS DINDU NUFFIN
Top fucking kek, we nu/pol/ now

>>130910914
Nationalist Socialist Party = Nazi
>But muh fashisam is not socialisam.
>But marx stole socialisam
Go back to playing video games and drinking energy drinks, fucking dork.

>>130924620
>da joooooos dindu nuffin
>66 gorillion
>implying you have to defend this shit in order to say hitler was a socialist faggot

KYS
Y
S

>>130910737
Or you can take the social aspect of national socialism and apply it to a generally free market system and still have a good time.

I think Germans could pull off the socialist central planning since we're ocd and so organizational. On top of that, were dedicated and devoted so I'm sure we could collectively work together to make it happen. But now it's a shit hole with arabs and other low IQ filth so forget it.

National socialism tends to believe natural resources need to be owned by their sovereign nation to benefit from them, rather than working with another country or buying them. Which is also why they wanted to take down Russia, to control the natural resources but also slam communism down.

Socialism also requires a secret police as resources are state controlled and rationed, anyone who would sell or buy from non price fixed and state related places it's considered the black market as you're almost essentially stealing those resources from the state, which is also considered sabotage to a socialist state. This breeds paranoia between citizens and unneeded stress.

I don't believe central planning can actually plan for everything and capitalism on its own, naturally plans the economy without the need for a select few to do it all.

All in all, national socialism I think could possibly work with capitalism best but I'm no economist

>>130925291
>isn't able to differentiate marxist socialism and prussian socialism
>MUH JEWS ARE INNOCENT
Just fuck off to /r/the_donald already.

>>130910737
If you have to oppress and kill so many people, it means your plan for order isn't good enough. Nazis and Bolsheviks need to stay dead.

>>130918053


made by his artist, Jacques-louis ((((((david)))))
>you have to cherrypick hard to decide its a jew thing

No you don't you dumbass nigger

>>130910904
read road to serfdom faggot

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>>130923293
>if government subsidizes their own businesses it is not a capitalist economy
Yes it is, just LESS free-market oriented.
>capitalism can't redistribute anything
Yes it can, it just ceases to be "Lassiez-faire capitalism" and moves into "regulated/state capitalism" territory.


>the great depression result of price controls & subsidies
No, but they did make it last longer.

Every country was too afraid to end them alone, because if they were the only ones to stop subsidizing then the depression would continue and NOW they would be letting their key to becoming prosperous again (core industries) die or relocate to another country.

It was essentially a huge Mexican stand-off. Everybody was protectionist, so trade & liquidity were ground to a halt. To be the only "free market" economy in a world of protectionism & depression is like playing American football without pads or a helmet.

>let them go bankrupt
That's not the best course of action during depression, severe GDP contraction hurts ALL industries not just the poorly managed ones.

during recession - bad/inefficient companies die and are replaced.
during depression - even good companies struggle to survive

>Germany debt
Without re-armament & wartime military spending they would NOT have been in debt at all.
Military expenses were more than half of their total expenses by '38-'39:
Total income: 28.8 bn Reichmarks
Total expenses 31.8 bn Reichmarks
Military expense: 18.4 bn Reichmarks

Hitler's "economics" did not break the Reich, the war did...and the Allies wanted that war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhbpcMdKZi8

>>130914738
the difference with hitler being?

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>The guy was literally a failed painter.
>LITERALLY A FAILED PAINTER.

>/pol/ unironically thinks he would be anything other than a socialist.

What the fuck are you even doing holy shit.

>>130927224
We were talking about the different ideals of communism held by Trotsky (internationally-minded) and Stalin (focused on USSR).

Hitler has nothing to do with this portion of the conversation, so I have no idea what you want me to say here.

>>130927381
Well he was much more than a failed painter,he was a ww1 decorated veteran,an investigator and then a politician unlike todays neets people back then kept going even if they faced failure.

>>130927381
National Socialism is not socialism.

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>>130927669
You can keep saying that however many times you want, but it doesn't make it true.
Just like saying that you're a girl doesn't actually make it so, but if you want to remain delusional you can go ahead.

>>130927814
It's not. Read Marx's works and then read Mein Kampf and contrast the two opposing ideologies.

>>130927544
>we were talking
I'm literally the first one that replied to you in this string of comments
what the hell are YOU talking about

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>>130924451
>.....but the Jews actually are doing it
Kulaks & white men don't run the central banks.
Kulaks & white men don't run the media
Kulaks & white men aren't occupying Palestine
Kulaks & white men didn't invent communism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1yON7-6VK8

>>130913599
>Especially economically
How many people starved to death in National Socialist Germany? Now how many in the Soviet Union?

>>130928075
>implying I was talking to myself

Post I was responding to:
"trotzky was the permanent revolution stalin just for the ussr"

My response to him:
"At first, but that obviously changed immediately after WW2. Stalin put Socialist governments in ALL of Eastern Europe, and was instrumental in funding gommunism in China and by extension the DPRK."

Your response to me:
"the difference with hitler being?"

We weren't talking about Hitler at all, so your response made no sense.

....
do you

>>130928484
you still think you had a conversation but in reality you just replied to someone that was replying to someone else
So yes, I am the first one that replies to you, and you act like a flaming faggot for some reason

>>130913708
Stalin had tried for years to spread communism west and only introduced "socialism in one country" when it became obvious that his imperial ambitions had failed. It was damage control, plain and simple. He never gave up the desire to catalyze Marx's world revolution, as evidenced by his rapid reinterest in spreading communism post-WWII, when the Soviets actually had the capacity to control many satellite states unlike before.

>>130910737
I am Socialist.

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>>130928025
Gosh it kinda sounds like the Nazis were "not socialist" in the same way that the british labour party is "Not communist".
But then again you can't expect very much from a kekistani poster.

>>130928762
You're a fucking idiot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

> Hitler was opposed to the socialist leanings of the northern wing, stating it would mean "political bolshevization of Germany." Further, there would be "no princes, only Germans," and a legal system with no "... Jewish system of exploitation ... for plundering of our people." The future would be secured by acquiring land, not through expropriation of the estates of the former nobility, but through colonizing territories to the east.[45] Goebbels was horrified by Hitler's characterisation of socialism as "a Jewish creation," and his assertion that a Nazi government would not expropriate private property. "I no longer fully believe in Hitler. That's the terrible thing: my inner support has been taken away," he wrote in his diary.[47]

Some of the Nazis had socialist leanings but they were either forced to change or got bullets in their heads (like Rohm and Strasser).

>>130911627
Hitler crapped his pants! Why does no one care???

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>>130928701
True socialism enhances the sovereignty and power of individuals, so more ownerships of people.

>>130928921
Fuck off back to /his/, you stupid tranny.

>>130922939
Because Hitler pooped his pants.

>>130928941
Marxian "socialism" is not true socialism.

>>130911165
>capitalists actually believe this

>>130928921
I do!!!!!!!

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HITLER POOPED his PANTS!!!

Numerous times as an adult!!!

Why does no one GaF???

>>130929325
I love poop!

>>130929381
Most people say it stinks, whereas I think it smells good!

>>130929453
Can never be too much poop in a video for me!

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>>130928913
>Quotas sounds like a good idea, let's get some of those.
>You technically "own" it, but in reality you only control it as long as you don't step out of line with the governments visions of how you control it.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.

That picture tells me everything I need to know about you: a) you like flags that attract attention through their aggressive design, b) you want to march alongside fellow male drones to c) protect female drones with which you want to make babies to uphold the regime of d) your big daddy leader.

Faggot.

>>130929516
>>130929453
>>130929381
Show your real flag! Poo In Loo!

Go to poopyme - wpb on tumbler to see what turns me on. (No, he isn't me or anyone I know irl)

>>130910737
>>not a socialist
>What a fuck is wrong with you?
I'm not a worthless hive insect, I guess

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>>130910737
Stupid kike. There is nothing Socialist about the National Socialists party of Germany. Nothing. They are anti-communist and based nationalist who supported capitalism as long as it did what the state told it to do. National Socialist were not Socialists and certainly weren't Marxist even though Lenin said the goal of socialism is to create communism.

When are you kikes going to get it? They were aesthetic and they gassed you filthy Jews even though the holohoax never happened.

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Pfffahahaha
You can't make this shit up.
The stuff behind citation 46 has to do with regulation on smaller companies.
>>130928913

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>>130918053
Missinfo!

whats the difference between them?
1 guy on power fighting to get more power by violent war
rest of the country are his toys
tell me how this is not the case
tell me how the fuck u unironically support this instead of freedom
tell me how u dont just want to end your life and be someones toy cause u are pathetic neckbeards

>>130910737
good pic
gives some truth

no matter what side youre on youre still a leftist. still a socialist.

that also says a lot about this very board and why it is full of the faggots we encounter here every day

>>130930758
>who supported capitalism as long as it did what the state told it to do.

Well played lol

Nat soc here, reminder that capitalism is mamonism, and therefore subserviant to judiasm

Because kikes are the high o order of the mamonistic priesthood.

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>>130910901
He was born with a birth defect which made his hand a bit smaller than the other, look it up

>>130910737
I'm not retarded?

>>130934829
DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS

>>130920842
>i know more than hitler about national socialism

>>130921509
>again socialism is an upgraded version of communism so you are literally commie who thinks otherwise

I know i should not even bother replying to what must be a troll at this point, but you are absolutely wrong. Communism is not National Socialism. I know it's hard to understand with 80-IQ but they really are not one and the same,

>>130911160
LOL dumbass
Anti fascist

>>130910737
Communism and Nazism were competing leftist ideologies. The main difference between then is one of them hated jews and the other was run by jews.

Genuine right-wing ideology is classical liberalism combined with race realism.

>>130910914
By the definition of collective state ownership of the means of production, no Hitler wasn't a socialist.
Nor was he a socialist in terms of redistributing wealth.
In terms of doing what's best for society, what's best for the people however, he was indeed a socialist. But then so is Trump, Reagan, Franco, Napoleon, etc. It doesn't mean anything really.

This thread is proof of the titanic power of propaganda buzz words and how easily they titillate the minds of simpletons.
Socialism does not have to mean Marxism, just as Marxism does not have to mean socialism. Just look at the United States, for instance. Economically it is a mix of capitalism and socialism, but predominately a culturally Marxist country. By this I mean Americans are taught in public schools a form of dialectical materialism without even considering it. Ask any American what the prime motivator of human history is, and you will probably hear something like, "Money", or "Sex". Hitler's National Socialism was merely a fulfillment of burgeoning ideas that were flourishing within Germany ever since the formation of the German nation in 1871. It was not Marxist, in the sense of wanting to abolish private property, or wanting to instill a class consciousness among the proletariat. It was socialism in wanting to instill a sense of common race-feeling and organic wholeness within society at large, rather than England's capitalistic social atomism.

For people are curious about actual German socialism, I recommend reading Werner Sombart, Friederich List, and Oswald Spengler's "Prussianism and Socialism".

>>130936439
You don't need state ownership when you have state control.

>>130936439
>By the definition of collective state ownership of the means of production, no Hitler wasn't a socialist.
>Tightly control the means of production >>130929570

>Reap the benefits of said companies >>130930986

The only difference is that they had an interesting way of "hiding" it.

>>130910737
Let me think .... of course im not because im not leftist trash.

>>130910737
>What a fuck is wrong with you?

My brain is functioning normally.

/for you, that's a problem

>>130910914
Question is more if you know what Socialism is.

>>130916806
>he CURRENT DEFINITION is what matters
uhm no?

>>130918295
https://katana17.wordpress.com/category/marxist-utopia/
>Hitler had this to say about the meaning of “Socialism” for Germany, as printed in an article in the UK’s “Guardian, Sunday Express,” December 28, 1938
>bla bla ... Both charges are false.

So basically you are quoting what Hitler supposedly said for British newspaper. Great going retard. Give me German version of that text, but you can't, since it doesn't exists.

>>130920243
even a lion can be overwhelmed by jackles