RACE IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT

>>130891486

how about skull shape

how about hapologroups

how about the bell curve of i.q's

how about that race mixed people can't find blood+organ donaters if the are ill

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>>130891486
you idiot

>>130891486
Bell curve IQ distribution, along with organ transplant compatablitiy, bone marrow is largely incompatable between the races, I am sure there is more, but learn to google nigger.

>>130891698
What is the source, retard? What do the numbers even mean? This graph is labeled in no way whatsoever.

why do we have this thread every week?

race is about ancestry. people who have ancestors from the same broad region are genetically related to each other. the further out you go, the less genetically related they are.

"race" is just a convenient way to group these different populations broadly, largely because they developed separately and with minimal intermixing.

when people say its a social construct what they're saying is where you draw the line is somewhat arbitrary. they're not saying there are absolutely no differences between africans and europeans. its a rhetorical trick meant to shut down discussion. we use race every day. socially, legally, medically, romantically, etc. it's useful whether or not the lines blur.

just start saying "ethnicity" or "ancestry" instead if you want to be more precise.

>>130891486
Maybe talk about diseases/illnesses that affect different races such as stomach cancer, skin cancer, diabetes, etc.

>>130891665
>>130891753
show me the gene that is responsible for low IQ or retard brains in blacks. Can you prove a scientific instructional gene that creates this difference in groups of human beings?

>>130891486
sickle cell anemia

>>130892478
That's a dumb question. Multiple genes can affect traits such as intelligence. A gene is just a fraction of a chromosome. It's not always directly associated with any traits we can trace. There are also plenty of human behaviors we have no ideas which genes are associated with.

One gene that does seem strongly correlated with negro dysfunction, however, is the warrior gene:
>Studies have found differences in the frequency distribution of variants of the MAOA gene between ethnic groups:[8][9] of the participants, 59% of Black men, 54% of Chinese men, 56% of Maori men, and 34% of Caucasian men carried the 3R allele, while 5.5% of Black men, 0.1% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men carried the 2R allele.

The 2R allele (version) is associated with antisocial behavior, all-around, while the 3R version is associated with antisocial behavior in stressful conditions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A

>>130891486
Race is a social construct. Agree with them.
But do you know what else is a social construct?
Government.
Government only has power because we CHOOSE to recognize it.
Borders only hold up because we CHOOSE to recognize them.
Race is real because we CHOOSE to recognize it.
And the fact that we choose it means a hell of a lot more than any Biological differences we may have.

TL;DR: Everything in society is a social construct and we've constructed them for good reasons.

>>130891824
If you can't read it, then you shouldn't be speaking about race in the first place, mongoloid

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>>130892604
Italians can get sickle cell

let me guess, your next line is "italians aren't white"

then what are they? See how nebulous of a term race is? Despite looking like the in-group you kick them out because they dont meet certain specific criteria.

>>130891486
The fact you take that argument seriously, proves how far gone you are

>black people have hollow shin bones and the hair is wool

>>130893043
There is nothing to read you fucking idiot. They shoot axis up and down, throw some decimals on it, and draw lines separating different ethnic groups. This picture tells me absolutely fucking nothing. Please, if you are so knowledgeable, tell me what the numbers on the X and Y axis represent? Is this highlight genetic differences? If so how do I know this chart is reliable? And by what metric are these differences being observed? What is the source?

>>130893043
>Russian calling someone else a mongoloid
Do you even know what that word means, you dumb slav-nigger?

>>130892478
I imagine we could if geneticists wouldn't be committing career suicide if they published their findings.

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

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>>130893495
You tell me

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>>130893395

>>130893043

Fuck OP but would it kill ya to label the X and Y axis?

>>130891486
So what if it is? Just because society "constructed" some vague boundaries to define race doesn't mean they are not meaningful, useful, and generally correct.

Colors of the rainbow are also a social construct. Just because red might transition slowly into yellow , doesn't mean they are the same color. We can still drive important meaning and structure by recognizing the difference (and that there is one) between the two.

>>130892478
I will also add, you ignored the other biological differences, because you have no refutation.

>>130891698
I see you in everything thread having to deal with race and let me just tell you Ivan: you're not fucking white. You do realize this, right?

>>130891486
twin studies. nigger twin adopted by whites as a newborn is still nigger who chimps out like just like his long lost twin who stayed in da hood. many such cases.

OP the bone density and structure between races is literally and categorically different. the musculature is different as well. skull shape, skull size are all verifiable and observable differences

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>>130893395

This

You can tell someone's race simply by looking at a brain scan.

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>>130891486
White people like to fuck their younger innocent siblings if they dogs ain't around and they smell like camel cigarettes and steamed diarrhea and they fuck their close relatives and it smells like fish mixed with feces and the contents of the bottom of a port a potty tank with a strong smell of skunk toasted garbage with a hint of Mayo

>>130893762
>african ancestry
>mongoloid slav-niggers are this fucking stupid

>>130892478
Watch this.

https://youtu.be/GvoiPUHfOXI

>>130894357
You can tell someone's race simply by looking.

Works about 90% of the time.

>>130891486
Simple, just look at the ancient Europeans compared to ancient Africans. Both of them developed on their own evolutionary path, environmental pressures allowed for different traits to emerge, innate intelligence, processing of nutrients, etc.

Hell Sickle cell is one of the biggest defining factors to put to rest the argumet as it is only viable in a very hot region like Africa or any tropical climate where the pathogen malaria exists. In colder climates, those with sickle cell have blood vessel clotting and bursting due to blood vessel constriction.

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>>130894319
can you not give me pictures for ants

jesus fuck what is it with you people, graphs with no sources or labels, 160x122 images. Fucking hell, god help me.

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>>130891665
>IQ
Stopped reading here, anyone unironically bringing up IQ in an argument should be ignored. You're pretty much praising mental retardation at this point.

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>>130891486
It usually just boils down to an argument of the beard/continuum fallacy

>>130894780
>Stopped reading here, anyone unironically bringing up IQ in an argument should be ignored.
anyone unironically not seeing the positive correlation between IQ and individual success is retarded

>>130894369
Who is the woman sitting on superman's face?

>>130894369
>tfw female batman isn't sitting on your face

>>130894369
don't worry, we're going to ship you guys back 2 africa soon

im a blm nazi and i support this shit nigga

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>>130891486
>The facts are that there are no real observable genes that differentiate the races besides tyrosinase which is responsible for skin color.
Oopsie.

>>130891486
Might I suggest talking to any geneticist that has practical experience in private? Don't bother talking to students or fresh grads. Oh the stories they can tell but can't publish. You would be amazed how fast funds disappear when you publish anything (regardless of topic) that isn't popular. I'm hard pressed to call science honest anymore.

Just be absolutely certain to remain steadfast that RACE = ETHNICITY = BIOLOGY. Not behaviors, etc. There are plenty of differences. But culture is very much a social construct and that's where people get stuck. They seem to insist that culture = race/ethnicity, or rather, cultural stereotypes = race/ethnicity.

That said, there are very likely cultural habits that over time caused genetic changes. Be it diet, societal demands and so on (like lactose intolerance). Also, as this is often funny when you've seen the research first hand, melanin is actually pretty important in how things work in the head or rather the nervous system as a whole. Revlon poured obscene amounts of money into this topic as a result of certain products and have never published their findings. Pfizer did and does similar studies for other reasons as well. Nothing nefarious, but bread crumbs can be a political nightmare too. Odd as this sounds, the prevailing trends and results of domestication apply here as well (coloration, diet changes, etc).

Race/Ethnicity are a really interesting topic. But people are terrified of what such results would mean when out in the open. And I think a lot of people would read too much into it as well. Dogs and wolves ya'll.

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>>130891486
>. I need genetic proof. Something solid, not just a meme pic.
How did you lurk here all this time but miss these things? Nvm, you probably just got here from leddit.

>I need genetic proof
devote your life to becoming a scientist

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>>130891486
>Though surely if you believe race has a solid foundation in biology, there must be more than just a skin color difference?
Surely, because, there are more identifiable racial features (and combinations of genes producing those features) than "just skin color".

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>>130891486
look them up

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>>130891486

I mean for thousands of years these different subtypes of humans were acted on by natural selection in completely different environments with different selective pressures, but they're probably all actually the same and skin color is all that really differs ecksdee

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http://pastebin.com/tGMEhbhf
http://msu.edu/~renn/RHE-_mixed_race.pdf
http://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/
http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html
http://sociobiologicalmusings.blogspot.ca/2011/10/problems-with-mixed-race-marriages-and.html
http://nature.com/scitable/topicpage/haldane-s-rule-the-heterogametic-sex-1144

>>130895898
Should not that these were statistically insignificant results and were denied publication in almost all papers due to lack of test samples.

On top of that, there's nothing to point towards those genes being indictive of intelligence. Genes that allow for more malanin also appear in blacks more, if blacks are uneducated and have lower 'intelligence scores' then is melanin controlling intellect? obviously not but it doens't stop people from spouting junk science

>>130891486
It's probably best to not debate with someone stupid enough to believe that.

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>>130894780
Bet you are on the brown end of this scale

>>130894780
>Stopped reading here, anyone....
Stopped reading here

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>>130891486
Humans can be genetically categorized into five racial groups, corresponding to traditional races. Source:
http://pritchardlab.stanford.edu/publications/pdfs/RosenbergEtAl02.pdf

Genetic analysis “supports the traditional racial groups classification.” Source:
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

“Human genetic variation is geographically structured” and corresponds with race. Source:
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html

Race can be determined via genetics with certainty for >99.8% of individuals. Source:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15625622

Oral bacteria can be used to determine race. Source:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-oral-bacteria-fingerprint-mouth.html

Race can be determined via brain scans. Source:
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2815%2900671-5

>>130891486
If race is a social construct the so are numbers and language.

Come at me

>>130894634
What's Jessica Alba then if you just saw her for the first time

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>>130891486
>The facts are that there are no real observable genes that differentiate the races besides tyrosinase which is responsible for skin color.
2/10 bait?

If a person is too stupid to understand evolution, there's no helping them. Genetics are passed into offspring with mutations. That's the basis of the entire fucking animal kingdom. From the mutual ancestors of homo sapiens and neanderthals, homo sapiens diverged into major separate groups with overlaps in breeding. Negroids, Caucasoids, Mongoloids. Australoids, and various. And within those major diverging genetic differences take place.

Idiots who can't comprehend that humans are animals might have an easier time with the analogy of dogs.

The genus of dogs/canines/wolves leads to differences in genetics leading to major differences between breeds of dogs. Different breeds have significantly different forms of intelligence, strength, health/illnesses, physical features, other traits, and overall behaviors.

>>130891486
>take 23 and me test
>my blood determines my racial heritage and the rough geographic location of my ancestors

>social construct

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>>130894974
Faora

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>>130893139
>>130893139
>sickle cell anemia
>Italians ain't niggers
>some

Don't be a mendacious cunt

Lots of Italians have nigger genes. That is where they got sickle cell anemia from.

>What are they

Some are German some are nigger some are sandniggers some are celts some are Latin some are greek some are kikes.

Fuck an A read a book idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3yon2GyoiM

>>130896604
What race is the majority of the NBA?

>>130896604
You seem to be the roughly 10% anon was referring to.

>>130891665
>IQ

what a fucking retard, that shit has been debunked since the 90s. Google it. First page results

>>130896781
The human race, anon....

>>130891486
You cant have a logical argument with someone like that
just beat them down emotionally, although i cant think how

>>130891486
If race is a social construct, explain dog breeds to me.

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>>130891486
I know this is bait, but fuck it, there's people like you who actually believe this.

Science is a social construct. Everything is a social construct. What the fuck does this even mean? That it's not real? Are you retarded?

Yes biology is a real science... This is not some shit some random scientists got together and made up. Different dog breeds are real. Pitbulls are different from chiwawas.

don't you all sometimes think that these threads are made by libs that have infested this place since (((TRUMP))) in order to gather our hive mind thoughts and quietly dissect their responses in private before offering their public rebuttals?

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>>130896932
All man made and come from the wolf we literally crafted each of them to look that way there's no such thing as a dog breed
We pretend there is

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>>130896332
>there's nothing to point towards those genes being indictive of intelligence
>junk science
-t. Undergrad in Cultural Anthropology

https://www.scopus.com/record/display.uri?eid=2-s2.0-0019793890&origin=inward&txGid=0

(1981) Bouchard Jr. & McGue analyze 111 studies on familial resemblances in measured intelligence and reveal a profile of average correlations consistent with polygenic inheritance modes.

This means that these 111 studies (covering over 1.000.000 people) show evidence of polygenic inheritance modes.

Years after this study was performed polygenic inheritance of DNA was confirmed by genetic studies such as (Davies et al., 2011) and (Deary, Johnson & Houlihan, 2009)

http://scan.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/2-3/203.full

(2009) Way & Lieberman analyze genetic contribution to cultural differences in this piece and draw support for dual-inheritance theory.

They show that there are genetic predispositions for IQ, collectivism, individualism, a wide breadth of aspects of socialization, depression, and other psychocultural phenomena which determine the values of societies and their people. They show that populations have mean genetics which means they have mean dispositions and thus mean personalities as well and thus cultures are formed around those same means.

These findings are supported by (Simoons, F, 1969; Simoons, F, 1970; Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi & Piazza, 1994; Holden & Mace, 1997; Durham, 1991; Perry et al., 2007; Campbell, 1965; McElreath & Henrich, 2007; Kroeberm & Kluckhohn, 1952; Sasaki, 2013; Cochran & Harpending, 2009; Bentley, Hahn & Shennan, 2004; Boyd & Richerson, 1985; Gabora, 1995; and so many more)

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>>130891486
>The facts are that there are no real observable genes that differentiate the races
But there are. How do you think 23andme works, voodoo black magic?

Fucking retard

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>>130894705
>god help me.

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>>130891486
Show me an Asian or White person that looks like this.

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http://science.sciencemag.org/content/309/5741/1720

(2005) Mekel-Bobrov et al., conclude that the gene ASPM is a specific regulator of brain size, and its evolution in the lineage leading to Homo sapiens was driven by strong positive selection. They show that one genetic variant of ASPM in humans arose merely about 5.800 years ago in Eurasia and has since swept to high frequency across Eurasia under strong positivel selection.

The gene is almost non-existent in Sub-Saharan Africa.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Thomas-99-intelligence.pdf

(1998) Thomas, Miller & Mascie-Taylor conclude that the EST00083 ("expressed sequence tag") is an mtDNA (mitochondrial; maternal) polymorphism found more often in high IQ groups. It is articularly common in Europe (less so in Asia) where it is associated with a lineage that dates back 35.000 years. It is nearly non-existent in Africa.

This finding goes along with a discovery by Turner & Partington in 1991 that shows mothers are the primary component in a child's intelligence.

>How do I even win the debate
A clever way of introducing your issue not as an attack, and then attacking the idea with arguments you considered solid
They are both constructed identities and objective elements that are true empirically that shape the identity

Just call them a cuck
It works every time

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>>130891486
>RACE IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT
Totally.

>>130891698
>be armenian
>basically a jew/turk hybrid

just fuck my shit up senpai

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Show me an Asian or White person with a nose like this.

Show me a white person with slant Asian eyes.

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>>130891486
>His centerpiece is a 2002 paper, published in Science by a group led by Stanford geneticist Marcus Feldman, which used a computer program called Structure to cluster populations of the world by their DNA similarities. When they asked the computer to cluster peoples of the world into two groups, the computer gave them EurAfrica and Asia-Oceania-America. When they asked the computer for three groups, the computer gave them Europe, Africa, and Asia-Oceania-America. When they asked the computer for four groups, it gave them Europe, Africa, Asia-Oceania, and America. When they asked it for five groups, it gave them essentially the continents. And when it asked the computer for six, it gave them the continents and the Kalash people of Pakistan. (They asked the computer for up to seventeen clusters, but only published the results up to six.)

>A study by Firasat et al. (2006) concluded that the Kalash lack typical Greek Haplogroups such as Haplogroup 21 (E-M35),
>Some of the Kalash people claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great's soldiers; and a recent genetic analysis has substantiated this belief.
>A study by Hellenthal et al. (2014) on the DNA of the Kalash people showed evidence of input from modern day Germany and Austria between 990 and 210 BC, a period that overlaps with that of Alexander the Great...
http://www.well.ox.ac.uk/~gav/admixture/2014-science-final/resources/FAQ.pdf
http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(15)00137-8

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>>130891486
>not just a meme pic
>post clickbait image
>don't even know how to fucking google something
get the FUCK out

>>130891486
Oh boy, another round of """facts""" and (((consensus)))!

>>130897070
Completely and utterly wrong. You're confusing species with race. For all intents and purposes, canines have tons of 'races' with distinct traits and tendency towards habits.

While wolves and canines can understand each others general mannerisms, there are just as many things that confuse them about each other. If anything, by bringing up the wolf, you're helping the success of your counter argument. But you wouldn't know that without understanding the science behind it.

>>130893395
RTFW retard
Google genetic clustering, enjoy

You're not even aware of genetic variations between human groups and you post a topic on genetics here?

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>>130897362
How does this dog have squinty eyes? Is it part chink part dog?

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>>130896845

>debunked
>google
>first page results

well baited

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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289605000917

(2006) Templer & Arikawa analyze populations by temperature, skin color, per capita income, and IQ and find stark correlations between all of them.

They were able to accurately predict individual IQ by skin color (0,92), mean high Winter temperature of their race (0,76), mean low Winter temperature of their race (0,66), and per capita income (0,63). These findings provide strong support for the idea that colder climates caused selection for higher IQs over an evolutionary epoch.

This helps to explain why groups from hotter climates like those found in Africa are less intelligent and thus earn lower incomes.

https://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/babies-prefer-individuals-who-harm-those-that-arent-like-them.html

(2013) Karen Wynn shows that infants as young as nine months old prefer individuals who are nice to people of their race and dislike people mean to their race. In addition to this they also like people that are mean to others races and dislike people that are nice to other races.

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>>130891486
Sure, a social construct. Fucking shills
sage

>>130897591
>This helps to explain why groups from hotter climates like those found in Africa are less intelligent and thus earn lower incomes.
Let's not jump to conclusions either, correlation =/= causation.

Vietnamese people are smarter than native north americans, despite living in a much hotter climate.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22963424

(2012) Rushton concludes that there has been no narrowing in the mean Black-White IQ difference predicted by heritable g.

Rushton also invalidates research by Nisbett, Dickens, and Flynn that show black gains in IQ by evaluating their lack of data and use of specious arguments. He shows that the little data they had to prove these points obscured the topic by invoking alleged age and social class interactions and adoption studies of very young children. Their data was based on ideas, not observations. In his own words on the twin studies cited: "There is no evidence of any special cultural influence, such as extreme deprivation or being raised as a visible minority, that operates in one group and not in others."

He shows using a meta-analysis that there has been no reduction in the mean racial differences between Blacks and Whites and that all claims of, "systemic issues," are spurious and unsupported by factual evidence. The credence given to researchers saying that society is to blame for the failures of adopted Blacks comes from a cursory glance at a specious statement - they have no evidence.

>>130891486
>Burger
>to dumb to figure out how race works
It checks out.

>>130891486
You can't. People who say that don't even believe it. There is nothing that could change their minds because they've already decided to believe something that they know is a lie. They need to do this to maintain ideological purity. The only hope is that something else in their life changes to allow them to ditch the ideology.

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>>130891486

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>>130892478
>>130894780
>>130896845
settle down tyrone

>>130896845
>debunked

Any time you try to find out how exactly it was debunked, it's just unsupported conclusions that "it's been debunked for X amount of time" all the way down.

>OP stops responding once quality sources are posted

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>>130897714
>mentions Native Americans but leaves out the Mayans, Incas, and Aztecs
No one is implying that "hot weather = a stupid race", just that there is a positive correlation between having to survive cold climes and higher IQ. That correlation doesn't account for past migrations and varying climatic conditions of any given group's progenitors. Add sub-saharan Africans to that comparison and the distinction becomes more stark: they NEVER had to survive an ice age or variable conditions, and the outcome is obvious. No conditions implying positive selection for intelligence, no high average IQs. Pretty consistent pattern.

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>>130894780
IQ is a completely scientific basis of determining an important form of cognition.

A good baby step of an eye-opener about why you've been brainwashed by communist propaganda to think otherwise would be liberal atheist Sam Harris' recent interview with the co-author of The Bell Curve:

Waking Up With Sam Harris #73 - Forbidden Knowledge (with Charles Murray)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1lEPQYQk8s

Then if you're feeling especially prone to learning, here it from a black man who has a high IQ himself:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_99r1f82ZU

Unfortunately, you might be too mentally fragile and afraid to deprogram yourself and research it objectively. Groups of people, based on sex and race, score noticeably different in IQ on average irrespective of their socioeconomic backgrounds. It directly affects society for reasons that I would hope are painfully obvious to you but probably aren't. A greater number of less intelligent comprising your society leads to trouble.

That's assuming you value western civilization. I prefer the unique traits that Caucasions brought into the world through their genetics leading to behaviors leading to cultures of secular governments, creative intelligence, pioneering, and high technology, rather than living in huts with no indoor plumbing. Societies like that depend on a high enough portion of people with higher intelligence. Maybe you don't. Maybe you'd prefer living in huts. That's fine. It's different though. Differences exist. Differences are diversity.

>>130891486
bring up abos or worlds strongest man

>>130894369
The nigger readings on this post are over 9000.

>>130898176
>here it from a black man who has a high IQ himself:
>*here=hear
How A Young Black Man Became A Race Realist
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_99r1f82ZU

>>130898160
>Mayans, Incas, and Aztecs
Who all lived in hot climates (well, maybe not the Incas).

>No one is implying that "hot weather = a stupid race", just that there is a positive correlation between having to survive cold climes and higher IQ.
Which I totally agree with. It's also true for other mammals.

I know I'm nitpicking, but I'm just saying correlation doesn't imply causation. Another reason why niggers are dumb could be that they never developed a complex agricultural society with division of labor, which creates a eugenic push in favor of the more intelligent, and which could, in time, cause intelligence in a group to rise.

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>>130891486
You reject racial differences because I can't tell you exactly which genes or phenotypes match exactly what portion of biological reality.
Yet the reality exists. You are denying the existence of gravity because we can't show you "a gravity."

>>130891486
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwa7pHlQwFI

If social constructs were real we'd have 50/50 male/female and equal representation of every race in every field of academics. Even in uber-feminist/egalitarian Sweden it's not the case- in fact the demographic makeups of each academic field are even more divisive than elsewhere.

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>>130897210
>matt forney
>massive skull
>master race

Human races are diverging into separate species, not mixing into one. Source: http://discovermagazine.com/2009/mar/09-they-dont-make-homo-sapiens-like-they-used-to

Melanin concentration may directly correlate with aggression. Source: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840

>>130894563
thanks this is actually very informative

Race is a better predictor of crime than poverty. Source: http://www.colorofcrime.com/2005/10/the-color-of-crime-2005/

>>130896604
I'd say a black-white mix

>>130891486
Its a matter of faith that there are not genetic differences. In reality we haven't really looked and if we have its been buried by the academics.
If there are genetic indicators of racial differences it follows that individuals that would pursue them naively would be shunned and ostracized as a matter of course on the assumption that a scientific, genetic, basis for race (and by extension other factors like IQ, and aggression) leads to creating a subhuman class and an inevitable genocide.
If we've found intelligence related genetics there's a high chance that those would be suppressed, for the same reasons as racial genetics, until such a time as we have the ability to fix them, at which point racial differences will be a footnote.

Blacks and Hispanics have less ability to delay gratification than Whites. Source: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886901000290

>>130896777
So in respect to race, are Italians white? If not then why? How many nigger genes makes a race a nigger race? What if we found that some group of white people shared some gene in common with Asians, would you denounce them from being white?

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>>130895903
>RACE = ETHNICITY
Not always the case; thus, a person can be a "pan-Aryanist" but not an ethno-nationalist.

>>130898468
>Mayans, Incas, and Aztecs
>Who all lived in hot climates
Who all originated in Mongolia, that's my point. The same genetic origins as the plains indians, who tended not to produce anything at all and were nomadic.

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16462

>>130898637
>comparing frequencies of skull size to intelligence across a population of millions
>expecting individual examples to "debunk" population trends in the millions or billions
It's hilarious how often people post individual examples as damage control.

Most students accused of sexual assault on college campuses are non-White. Source: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/argument-sexual-assault-race-harvard-law-school

>>130892069
This tbqh

It's an arbitrary categorization, but that doesn't mean it is something useless and to be ignored. Hell, the average SJW would even agree that you need to take race into account when dealing with some people, if only for the socio-economic factors they've likely been affected by due to it.

>>130899018
Please archive it
https://archive.is/t70ER

>>130898159
huh? No calm down meme-flagger I'm still here. Just taking my time reading the sources and information posted. A lot of this stuff is very informative and interesting. I know it upsets you when someone reacts to points by taking them in and attempting to understand them instead of getting triggered so if you want throw a poo-poo baby fit, I won't stop you.

>>130898963
>Who all originated in Mongolia, that's my point. The same genetic origins as the plains indians, who tended not to produce anything at all and were nomadic.
Right, but they diverged pretty early and evolved differently for thousands of years.

Look at disease immunity

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>>130898468
>developed a complex agricultural society
That requires more people with higher intelligence in the first place. Black populations suffer from several bad proportions in genetics, which physically and mentally hurts intelligent blacks and other races in the process.

Blacks who have the intelligence and proclivities to do socially stabilizing activities like complex farming end up, invariably, being overrun by the lower tiers of dindu warlords waging tribal rape and genocide on them.

>>130899045
I have it all archived in what's called The Library of Hate. http://archive.is/LRe05#selection-1655.0-1657.87

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>debating with non-whites/non-white sympathizers

>>130899021
nonsense, plenty of sjws and many on the left in general want to view race as a purely societal construct with zero basis in biology.

>>130899108
Was true at the time I posted it.
If you're not a complete newfag you'll know that this board is absolutely inundated with raiders, shills, and fucking retards most of the time. Can't be too careful.

>>130899232
>60%
good chance you've got mudblood pal, get off the high horse and have a rational discussion.

>>130891486
Different groups get different diseases. The same diseases are treated differently across different races. There are many differences.

>>130899167
I agree. That's why civilization is an eurasian thang (and native american to some extent, they got some of dem ice age IQ bonus points).

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Come on, you're smarter than this.

>>130899361
Funny that someone who is obviously a shitskin would refer to his blood as mud. The only discussion to be had concerning non-whites is in what order they go into the mass graves.

>>130899135
>but they diverged pretty early and evolved differently for thousands of years.
And some of those groups remained in colder North American climates, and yet, produced far less:
>didn't develop agriculture or animal husbandry
>didn't develop advanced forms of architecture or construct burial mounds
>didn't develop iron weapons
>didn't develop arithmetic or calendar systems
>didn't chart the stars
These are all indicative of groups closer to the equator. However, without exception, all of these groups experienced various kinds of catastrophe or dysgenic processes, and their civilizations went into decline. No one is certain whether these were planetary climatic shifts primarily to blame, internal problems, or what. Just that these are examples of more advanced peoples closer to the equator, and there are examples of less advanced people in the North. The average temperature can't alone account for higher intelligence, but it's obviously a contributing factor over time.

>>130891486
Lewonton fallacy, autosomal DNA and genetic similarity, forensic anthropology etc... everyone can clearly see physical differences beyond skin color

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>>130899510
>The only discussion to be had concerning non-whites is in what order they go into the mass graves.

>>130899274
I know I know, I just actually value the rare breed of posters who share new information with me

of course you'll always have retards, people who shitpost and yell shill, people who don't read beyond the eye catching subject field

>>130899542
>And some of those groups remained in colder North American climates, and yet, produced far less:
Exactly my point.

It's more complex than cold = high intelligence, warmth = low intelligence.

Although I'm convinced the ice age raised the IQ of eurasians which kickstarted civilization.

>The average temperature can't alone account for higher intelligence, but it's obviously a contributing factor over time.
I agree, sorry if I gave the impression that I was completely denying the influence of climate. Of course it played an important role.

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>>130899697
>Although I'm convinced the ice age raised the IQ of eurasians which kickstarted civilization.
agree

>>130899257
Nigger, the entire idea of white privilege is based upon the idea that you must acknowledge that you are a certain race and must compensate accordingly.

>>130899510
ahahahahah
How many minorities have you slain? How many white children do you have? I'd fish out my ms paint comic depicting 70 percent white teenage fedora wearing mudblood pining for white culture whilst contributing nothing to it, but I'm certain you already know what I'm talking about.

A lot of "DNA testing" contradicts itself. Black people can have high amounts of ""European"" DNA, white people can have ""Asian"" DNA, and things of that nature.

RACISM IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT

>>130891665
how about you go to school?

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>>130891665
Somalis have a Caucasoid skull type

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>>130891486
"race" is adaptation to environs.
That's why humans can mate with other humans that have adapted to different environs. Culture, however, is primarily ideological.

>>130891486
Bone marrow transplant

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>>130899889
SOCIETY IS A BIOLOGICAL CONSTRUCT

>>130899782
It fascinates me how central IEs were to the development of civilization and how ignored they are by pretty much everyone. (((Who))) could be responsible?

>>130891486
race is a social construct. everything built by civilized humans and titledby civilized humans is a societal construct. >>130891486
>>130891486

>>130899843
>How many minorities have you slain?
I don't count.
>How many white children do you have?
4 and my wife is pregnant with our 5th.

The white man is God's creation, and you shitskins are godless demons. You will fail to overthrow us, you will fail to take this planet from us, and you will die painful slow deaths and be banished back to the hell where your creator resides.

>>130899697
I agree. It is way more complex than cold=smart hot=dumb

if this were the case, inuits would be some of the smartest people on the planet. Some have said the difference between maize and wheat helped to mold societies differently. A combination of environmental challenges but with also certain help from the environment

>>130891698
>overlaps everywhere
>RACE IS REAL!!
Shoot yourself.

Start reading about haplogroups as well as non-human supspecies, subspecies are what races are probably most analogous to. Coyotes, redwolves, coywolves, and gray wolves are a decent place to start since there has been recent study on the subject.
Distinct species can create hybrid populations which are perfectly genetically viable, there are areas in which the populations blend the most creating ambiguity but as you enter more and more into the territories of one the gentic distance between the other grows in the hybrid. The lines between the two species become increasingly blurred in the geographic areas where they hybrids are most common and genetic analysis has even evealed that redwolves are in fact essentially just coywolves of predominantly gray wolf stock which became isolated as coyote and wolf territorys shifted and their own population became self sustainable but the ambiguity created by the blending of populations doesn't render the intial species from which they were created indistinct or rewolves being the same as gray wolves and coyotes. That fact peoples from various parts of the world share genetics with various hominid species than homo sapiens is also important, everyone knows at this point europeans have neanderthal genes but the fact Sub Saharain africans, australian aborigonals, east asians, and the aboriginals of south east asia posesses the genetic material of various unidentified hominods is less discussed.
In order to be consistent with how every other animal on this planet besides humans is classified large parts of our taxomical system would have to be reexamined and reworked entirely to make the argument that, despite the existence of haplogroups and the presence of non-human DNA in different populations, that races don't exist just because populations blend and merge in the areas they share a geographical border make any sense.

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>>130899974
>(((Who))) could be responsible?
I wonder.

>>130899959
this

>>130899510
Let the bulldozer decide.

>>130899974
It's the YAMNAYA culture, goyim!
DO NOT CALL THEM ARYANS (like everybody did before WWII)

>>130899885
How does that contradict itself

>>130891486
are you fucking kidding?
-vulnerability/resistance to certain diseases
-genetic markers
-Bone structure
-avg height/weight/proportions
-perelinear folds
-brain size
-avg IQ

these are all obervable biological differences in race that you can prove very easily

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>>130900064
>all race must be discrete and not continuous, or it doesn't real
wew lad, where did you learn taxonomy?

>>130900034
How come whites have a heroine epidemic?

Science deniers btfo in this thread

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A potato salad with one piece of tomato has just as diverse as a tomato salad with one piece of potato

SALAD IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT

>>130900223
So certain areas produce different looking people? How does this prove any biological difference between race beyond physical appearance?

>>130900262
How come whites are the only ones that have a natural greatness and can have problems and epidemics? Because we are the only humans. The shit and squalor that non-whites live in is their natural state, and so it is only considered abnormal for whites to behave this way. You demons will lose.

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>>130894792
It's a gradient.

>>130900162
How do you explain Nigerians, who are black, being so much more intelligent than virtually every other single group of sub Saharan Africans?

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3079384/

(2011) Joshi et al., study twins to conclude that there is a highly significant genetic contribution to cortical thickness and volume. This is believed to have a significant effect on the neurotubule number and density in individuals and thus a highly significant effect on IQ.

In their own words, "The results showed detailed pointwise genetic and environmental contributions on the whole cortex. Several areas in the parietal and frontal lobes were observed to be genetically influenced."

The environmental factors are believed to be heavily genetically influenced due to how genetics define interaction and determine developmental reactions in the brain.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22713927

(2012) Yang et al., conclude that there is a, "greater than 80%," genetic contribution to the prefrontal cortex (the part of the brain associated with reward, attention, short-term memory tasks, planning, and motivation.), a significant genetic contribution to the temporal lobe (the part of the brain associated with Visual memory, language comprehension, and emotion association), a significant genetic contribution to the occipital lobe (dubbed the visual processing center of the mammalian brain), and a nearly 80% environmental influence on the parietal lobe (the part of the brain associated with touch, hand-eye coordination, spatial sense, and navigation).

>>130891665

>>130899895


OHhhh shieett you just got designated son.

>>130900262
I told you, ideology is stronger than anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgN1sLcAQnw
and you're replying to bait.

>>130900338
>races are just like vegetables.

If you have to talk in analogies, you can't discuss the subject at hand.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11694885

(2001) Thompson et al., conclude in their own words that, "A genetic continuum was detected in which brain structure was increasingly similar in subjects with increasing genetic affinity. Genetic factors significantly influenced cortical structure in Broca's and Wernicke's language areas, as well as frontal brain regions," and, "Preliminary correlations were performed suggesting that frontal gray matter differences may be linked to Spearman's g, which measures successful test performance across multiple cognitive domains (p < 0.05). These genetic brain maps reveal how genes determine individual differences, and may shed light on the heritability of cognitive and linguistic skills, as well as genetic liability for diseases that affect the human cortex."

This further suggests that brain structure, size, and cognitive performance are all heritable and genetic.

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The ability to think ahead and prepare for the future is inversely correlated with impulsiveness.[63]
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Race-Matters-Michael-Levin/dp/0965638359
Among Whites and Blacks earning more than $50 thousand per year, Blacks saved less than half the average amount that Whites saved.
http://www.arielinvestments.com/LibraryFiles//blk_investor_pdfs/2007%20Black%20Investor%20Survey%20Press%20Release.pdf
Instant gratification is normally considered an infantile/immature trait; In Africa where Whites taught Blacks how to farm effectively, they increased their production by 10x - but when they returned 2 years later, the Blacks already reverted to their previous behavior.
#page/n0/mode/2up">https://archive.org/stream/Now-menAndTomorrow-menWhyWeAreNotEqual/NowMenandTomorrowMen_by_GM_Mes#page/n0/mode/2up
Impulsiveness is also correlated with drug abuse and crime, where Blacks consistently outperform Whites (see next section on crime). In one experiment, Black and White children were offered a small candy bar immediately or a larger one later: most of the Blacks chose the small one and most of the Whites chose the larger one. The author wrote "Negroes are impulsive, indulge themselves, settle for next to nothing if they can get it right away, do not work or wait for bigger things in the future."
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1962-04824-001
According to one author, Blacks "hold labor as an evil inferior only to death… There is abundant evidence to show that the Negro will not work without a considerable amount of persuasion."
#page/n12/mode/2up">http://archive.org/stream/onnegrosplacein00londgoog#page/n12/mode/2up

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>>130900458
Nigerians actually are a race mix of indigenous dindus and north african conquerors. There's actually a caste system in Nigeria and the elite is more caucasoid looking.

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There were few if any evolutionary selective pressures for future preparation in Africa while Europeans who did not plan ahead for the cold, hard winter would have starved to death and not have passed on their genes. This process slowly weeded out, through countless generations, the inability to properly plan ahead in White populations. "In tropical environments [such as sub-Saharan Africa] where food is available all year round, hunter-gatherers rarely store food even overnight."
http://www.amazon.com/The-Illustrated-History-Early-Man/dp/0831717548
Blacks are significantly more sexually active than Whites
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf
Their sex drive is about 37% greater.
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/fuzzy.htm
46% of Black males reported having at least 15 sexual partners, more than any other race.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad384.pdf
In 2009, Black women aged 10-19 had a 6x higher birth rate than White women of the same age and illegitimate births were 2.5x higher for Blacks than Whites.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr60/nvsr60_01.pdf
Roughly half of all HIV/AIDS cases are amongst Blacks, despite being only 13% of the US population.
http://www.avert.org/usa-race-age.htm

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The Black chlamydia rate is 8x the White rate, the gonorrhea rate 18x, and congenital syphilis 15x. 40% of Black adults have genital herpes compared to 14% of Whites, and nearly half of black girls aged 14-19 have at least one STD, compared to 20% for white girls.
http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats07/trends.pdf
The tendency of sexual promiscuity has been common in Africa for thousands of years while monogamy was religiously practiced in Europe. The hormone-driven feeling of falling in love is an adaptive trait that induces pair bonding and reduces the attractiveness of others.
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton/papers/downloads/Gonzaga_Haselton_et_al_2008_EHB.pdf
The largest relative brain sizes among primate species are associated with monogamous mating systems.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1762360/
Sexual promiscuity is universal in African populations, suggesting that this behavior is biologically based.
http://www.ediplomat.com/np/post_reports/pr_cv.htm
Altruism, the desire to help other people, including strangers, appears to be genetic
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/311/5765/1301.abstract

>>130894792
No one disagrees that physical differences exist between our categories of race. The difficulties come with saying those groups have different genetics that cause them to make different human beings.

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>>130891486

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>>130900676
For the sake of comparison here is an example of the unadulterated dindu phenotype

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Whites seem to be the most altruistic based on donations of money, blood, and organs. People with a specific allele of the AVPR1a gene are more altruistic, although racial differences have not been studied.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17696996
One study found evidence that Blacks have more in-group empathy than Whites, stating that "African-Americans showed greater empathy for African-Americans facing adversity - in this case for victims of Hurricane Katrina - than Caucasians demonstrated for Caucasian-Americans in pain."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17696996
The PER2 gene on Chromosome 2 "is a key component of the mammalian circadian clock machinery… [a] high and significant difference in the geographic distribution of PER2 polymorphisms was observed between Africans and non-Africans."
http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v16/n12/abs/ejhg2008105a.html
"The supragranular layers in the dog are one-half the thickness of those in the ape, and the thickness of the ape's only three-fourths the thickness in man."
#page/n7/mode/2up">http://archive.org/stream/cu31924012442954#page/n7/mode/2up

>>130900262
I thought race was a social construct, OP?

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>>130891486
>something solid
>blindly believes what the genetic jew tells him

>>130900676
So if race is a valid construct with roots in biology, what race are nigerians?

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>>130891486
>Is there any proof of differing genes between say, asians and blacks? what are these genes?

1st step is to DEFINE RACE.
You sound like you've swallowed the sjw line that if there's no gene that's in 100% of asians and 0% of africans then race isn't real, but that's retarded.
Race is all about populations and gene frequencies.
Sampling from a handful of points in the genome can tell you with 99% accuracy what race someone is. Because the races are STATISTICALLY different.
Not all whites have the same neanderthal genes but all have some and no africans have any.
etc etc
learn to google

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The supragranular layer is 15% thinner in Blacks than in Whites
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1248982/
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cne.900250302/abstract
#page/n0/mode/2up">http://archive.org/stream/WhichWayWesternMan/Which_Way_Western_Man#page/n0/mode/2up
"The grey substance of the brain of a Negro is of a darker color than that of the European, that the whole brain is of a smokey tint, and that the pia mater [the innermost membrane covering the brain] contains brown spots, which are never found in the brain of a European."
#page/n12/mode/2up">http://archive.org/stream/onnegrosplacein00londgoog#page/n12/mode/2up
The front of the Black brain is less developed and the back more developed compared to that of Whites
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf
http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/2027.42/49594/1/1000050402_ftp.pdf
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Race-Matters-Michael-Levin/dp/0965638359
Which corresponds to the sloping forehead of Blacks. The frontal lobe (front of the brain) is involved in higher mental functions such as "personality expression and the planning of complex cognitive behaviors" which corresponds to the lower IQ and higher crime rates (impulsivity) of Blacks.
http://biology.about.com/od/anatomy/p/Frontal-Lobes.htm

>>130900854
>>130900870
read beyond the hook subject line. I personally don't believe race is entirely a social construct and I believe it has some roots in biology.

>>130900881
They'd cluster in the african cluster.

They're black, of course.

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>>130900083
MUH JEWS!!!

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Blacks have much lower slow-wave brain activity during sleep than Whites
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070612074944.htm
Due to brain morphology differences between Whites and Blacks, Blacks absorb 30% more nicotine than Whites per cigarette; it takes longer for Blacks to rid their bodies of the drug.
http://archives.drugabuse.gov/newsroom/06/NR1-20.html
Indeed, "Numerous studies have demonstrated significant racial differences in the metabolism of tobacco-related products."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050309144253.htm
White women generally have wider hips purportedly due to the larger brain size of White babies compared to Black babies, and this is also a suggested contribution to the better sprinting performance of Blacks compared to Whites
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf

>>130900991
So it is particularly honest to lump them in with the majority of blacks who are borderline mentally retarded based on the color of their skin and physical traits?

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>>130899364
Impossible. Every human is the same. It's a lot like how every dog is exactly the same. Communist social studies academics use theories and fancy terms as proof, which must mean they're right.

>>130891486
If race is a social construct then white privilege isn't real.

>>130891824
>doesn't see the source in the upper corner

You retarded fuck.

>>130900762
So you agree there is differences between white and black baby, but you can't say that white baby is white because of his parents white genes and black is balck because his parents black genes?

Or wtf are you saying?

>>130900559
Race doesn't exist only if you consider the frequency of alleles at an individual locus, faggot

>>130901117
Nigerians are also borderline mentally retarded, just slightly less so.

>>130901023
Of course there are non-marxist jews. But the prominent anti-racist anthropologists were literally all marxist jews (boas, lewontin, gould, kamin, etc.)

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>>130901023
>MUH JEWS!!!
They play all sides, don't they; notice that Murray is the one who gets all the abuse and protest, not Herrstein? Jared Diamond is a major celebrity, but not Murray or Herrstein? Regardless, denying that Jews tend to take positions in any discipline in accord with their ethnic interests is so absurd at this point, you have to wonder about the intelligence (or agenda) of those still doing it. I guess you must be trying for the Big Lie: repeat a thing (even a denial) often enough and it becomes true.

>>130891486
Its super easy, use the jews as an example
Mention how israel is an ethnostate with genetics testing

>>130901117
You mean based on DNA? Right?

>>130901212
The differences at first glance seem largely superficial and cosmetic, skin color, hair color, eye color, etc. You know there are hispanic people that basically look white, right? I believe there is some merit to biologically grouping and classifying people, but race can be kind of nebulous when discussing certain people or certain mixed people/ethnically ambiguous people

>>130901484
DNA that somehow doesn't result in the same average intelligence and behavioral patterns? Yes that seems dishonest.

>>130901510
African and asiatic lions, two different subspecies are genetically more similar than human races

>>130891486

I was fed the same bullshit rhetoric in undergrad. I immediately asked if dog breeds were a social construct.

Then you can ask why allele frequency can predict race with 99% accuracy.

Ask how 23andMe can tell what region your genes come from and what portion of your genes are from what region with a $99 genetic test.

Ask why there are measures of genetic distance between different racial groups.

Ask why allele frequencies in certain racial groups are useful in predicting illnesses that a race is particularly susceptible to.

Ask why people can visibly predict racial heritage with high accuracy.

Ask why they want to force their politically convenient idealism into a topic that has plenty of evidence to suggest that race is measurable, and many genetic disparities exist.

>>130901510
Already we have identified that the "races," as such have clearly definable average traits which differ from each of the others.
Only the intermixing of individuals from separate races confuses our attempt at classification. However, this in itself should prove that the classification holds some merit. It can only be said that race is completely non-biological when mixed-race individuals attempt to identify themselves with a certain race, as if they were actually a member of it.

>>130901318
Ya know, if you travelled through time you'd have to keep redefining what race is since the adaptations that occur happen relatively quickly, particularly through conquest and war. Take Alexander the Great travelling to India, for example, or Genghis Kahn's hoardes assuming the 'conquered'. What is a "pure" race, since everything came about in like manner?

>>130901417
well the strategy theyre using to bring multiculturalism to western europe is quite shit as theyre bringing in millions of ardent anti-semites

>>130901565
What do you think the average IQ of Nigeria is? The genetic similarity to other Subsaharans is objective

>>130901723
yeah i actually agree that mixing can actually PROVE the existence of race (as I've learned from this thread that mixed race people have difficulty receiving transplants and organ donations from non-mixed people). However categorizing those mixed people can sometimes be a challenging task for the concept of race to tackle, because race is largely visual and visually, mixed race people can be kind of racially ambiguous. Maybe the solutions is to just call them mixed or a specific mix of what they are, black-white white-asian etc. Sometimes it's hard to tell though

>>130901907
He's probably some Nigerian nationalist who thinks Nigerians have a high IQ, whereas in truth Nigerians are just as retarded as other niggers

>>130901510
>You know there are hispanic people that basically look white, right?
Hispanics are a mix of different races... European, Native American and sub Saharan to different degrees

>>130901994
There are hispanics who are also not a mix of different races, just like there are canadians that are not a mix of different races

>>130901907
2 points above most surrounding countries, however the biggest difference can be seen once they are given a proper environment. Nigerian migrants to the US excel and more often than not, earn very normal and respectable places in society. Have jobs, families, don't commit crime, etc.

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>>130901882
>the strategy theyre using to bring multiculturalism to western europe is quite shit as theyre bringing in millions of ardent anti-semites
Millions of anti-semites that primarily target non-semites for mass killings. They do this because it creates the 9/11 effect in the goy population, leading to increased support for Israel. Obviously, it's not a perfect plan, and could seriously backfire on them at some point, but that's irrelevant to whether or not the Jewish left and right see it serving the interests of their agendas: the Jewish left sees it as helping create a safe multicultural environment for their diaspora, and the Zionist right sees it as Machiavellian support of Israel.

>>130902095
Yea they will be native South Americans very few that are unmixed

>>130902259
>Nigerian migrants to the US excel and more often than not, earn very normal and respectable places in society. Have jobs, families, don't commit crime, etc.
That's because only the top 0.01% of Niggerians are allowed to migrate to America, you fucking retard.

It has nothing to do with the "environment". It has everything to do with eugenic migration policies.

>>130902259
Wow 2 points... how different. Culture does play a role in society as well it's not purely biological determinism. Just do you know studying for the LSAT has also shown to increase IQ a few points

>>130893139
>One in a million italians with a somewhat nordic phenotyåe

>>130902422
>only the top 0.01% of Niggerians are allowed to migrate to America
This. Compare any "successful" population to problematic ones, and you'll often find that the problematic ones tend to come here through looser immigration standards: refugees, illegals, etc.

IQ is going down on average, folks.
It's always funny when youse start talking about it like it's solely inborn.
http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/BRBAKER/

>>130902746
The modern world allows the weak and the stupid to live and shit out babies prolifically.

>>130891486
>The facts are that there are no real observable genes that differentiate the races
Genetic PCA differentiates races with near-perfect success.

And it's funny that lack of a gene has never stopped libtards from claiming faggots are "born that way."

>>130902746
So more low iq people are having kids

>>130891698
This is a principle component analysis (PCA). Each axis is a principle component - think of it is a highly compressed variable. They are common when trying to resolve groups characterized by different distributions of very numerous traits. The data represented are probaby single nucleotide polymorphisms, which are just individual locations on the genome where a single base (nucleotide) can be different (polymorphic). If you want to know more, fuck off and learn something. :)

>>130891486

If you believe that intelligence is inherited then it is not a stretch to suppose that similar groups of people would also have a similar intelligence.

Niggers are just stupider than whites on average and it really shows.

>it is nonetheless possible to classify individuals into different racial groups with an accuracy that approaches 100 percent when one takes into account the frequency of the alleles at several loci at the same time. This happens because differences in the frequency of alleles at different loci are correlated across populations—the alleles that are more frequent in a population at two or more loci are correlated when we consider the two populations simultaneously. Or in other words, the frequency of the alleles tends to cluster differently for different populations.

>>130897071
Underrated post

>>130900083
>>130901291

>search lewontin
>2 results

If you want to argue against "race is a social construct" you just have to look for its origin.
And this is first and foremost Lewontin who has been proven wrong.

In short he is the guy responsible for the insane notion, that genes don't reflect biological race.
He came to that conclusion by looking at individual genes, many of which he did not even know what exactly they encode.
Considering that the majority of our genes encode basic proteins and even minor percentages in differences can lead to different species, there is no suprise in that.
The only suprise is how deep he had his head in fucked up leftist 'everyone is equal' ideology.

And of course it is just a coincidence, that he was indeed jewish.

>>130897071
im saving all that shit you racist nazi fuck thanks for the redpill

>>130891665
/thread/ How do you think forensic scientists are able to identify race and sometimes specific countries of origin when they are looking at bones?
>(OP) is retarted

>>130891486
>race is a social construct
>brazil literally measures your skull to determine gibs

>>130897746
Dude is there a permanent link to this information? I'd like to look into it.

>>130903123
It's incredible how the phrase "there's more variation within races than between them" has become a sacrosanct commandment from God, and is repeated everytime a discussion about race occurs, or an article about race is written in the MSM.

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>>130891486
Link them to this video => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHDWlnah3b0

>>130903225
TOPLEL
fucking hell lad, post sauce

>>130902422
So when the immigrants are retards its because they're dumb shitskins but when they're smart we're only letting the good ones in? This all seems very convenient.

>race doesn't exist
>white people don't exist
>black people don't exist
>what you're referring to is ancestry
>Germanic, Anglo, British, Italian, Indo-European, Mediterranean
>Congolese, Ethiopian, Sub-Saharan
>white and black are our slave names given to us by our elite ruling class overlords
Then launch into a speech about over throwing the government and its role in keeping the masses ignorant of their heritage. You'll prolly get B- at the least and maybe redpill some normies.

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>>130903123
Lewontin is a good example of such nonsense, but Boas is the father of such nonsense.
>>130903160
Glad I could help. Just highlight my ID, I dumped everything I have. Also check out:

http://humanbiologicaldiversity.com/

>>130903383
>So when the immigrants are retards its because they're dumb shitskins but when they're smart we're only letting the good ones in? This all seems very convenient.
It's the truth. Have you ever heard of the H1b visa?

>>130891486
http://archive.is/gHxLC

>>130891486
kys

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>>130900823
>Whites most altruistic
Simple cursory overview of behaviors around the world reveals that rather objectively.

Clues/signs:

- White women and some white men always wanting to believe everyone else is "like themselves" to a pathological extent. Dangerous amounts of trust. Women especially, letting strangers in the gate, walking through dangerous areas, traveling around the world to "save others" and "experience others" either for aid, charity, religion, or just naive sightseeing. A lot of it is escalated by cultural indoctrination and white women having blinders on (see no evil, see no violence) so they become ignorant to the world. Ignorance can be shed through reality-based education.

- Animal welfare. Again more so white women. Compassion for animals. Caucasians (Native Americans, Europeans, Euro-Indos-Indians etc.) seem to exhibit consideration of animal feelings at a much higher average with big tail of extremes. Vegetarians and veganism is heavily saturated by whites.

- Caucasian cultures leading to societies in which there are more active reaction/response for helping others physically or financially. Intelligence plays a good role in how to respond. Intelligence aside, it can be observed (on average) that in a situation like a fire or someone hurt in the street calling for help or drowning or begging, whites probably at a higher rate are responding or calling for a response. Exception here is where it's an issue where danger of intervening causes fear, but that's reduced to a problem of pure physical strength and intelligence.

- Other practices rooted in empathy. Groups and concepts rooted in "empathy" (counseling, literature, religions, spiritualism, peace practices) are heavily Caucasian. Owed to a lot of legacy cultures, born of traits that pave the environment by those types of heavier feelings. It exists everywhere but once again this seems to be at a higher rate.

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>>130891486
I'll tell you what (OP),
You CANNOT prove that race IS a social construct.

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>>130903742
If whites weren't pathologically altruistic, Jewish parasitism wouldn't work.

>Steinlight: 'The Jewish Stake in America's Changing Democracy'
http://cis.org/articles/2001/back1301.html
https://archive.is/2najE

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>>130902259

Since you are still in this thread, I guess I will reply. Here is how the scientists claim that race is not real. It will be obvious why this is bullshit once I lay it out.

1. There has been mixing between the races.
2. Because there has been mixing, black people have some white genes, some white people have some black genes etc.
3. If you study enough black people, you will find a whole host of white genes, even though the amount per individual is quite low.
4. Because of #2 and #3, it could be said that black people do contain nearly any white gene that you could think of.
5. They then say that this is proof that race is not real.

The truth of the matter is that race IS real, it's just that we simplify it. When we see someone who is obviously majority black, we call them black.They might have 5% white genes but what does that really matter? It doesn't. There are clearly genes that come from Europe and neanderthals, these are Euro genes and people are Euro to the extent that they have those genes. There are genes that clearly come from Africa, and people are Afro to the extent that they have these Afro genes. It is true that the term "black" or "white" can be subjective and not perfect descriptors but the do a pretty good job of indicating that actual observable genetic factors at play. You just have to ignore the Brazilians that consider themselves white. :D

tl;dr: Scientists are playing semantics with "race".

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Watching someone get red pilled
>mfw
Yes, (OP), bite the apple. After all, it is better than biting the curb.

>>130903899
It's all very simple.. can we biologically determine someone's race.. the answer is yes

>>130900352

>being provided with tons of links to serious studys and even spoonfeed summary infografics
>not reading and understanding this clear evidence

Are u some special kind of stupid or just a nigger?

>>130903624
Doing god's work there, fagget, you and that archivenord
/pol/ is not completely lost after all...

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>>130903899
American blacks could be considered a sub-species, because of the differences between that group and Africans, genetically. Regardless, African blacks "fresh off the boat" tend to look down on, and segregate themselves from American blacks. The dislike is usually mutual. American blacks who can afford to travel almost never visit sub-Saharan Africa, despite this being where the majority of them originated from. Regardless of the percentage of white genes American blacks have, it hasn't really changed their behaviors or IQs significantly.

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>>130903860
Homo "marriage", now there's a social construct right out of fantasy land where bunny foo foo chases rainbows and hershey's kisses.

>>130900951
Man... just looking at the MCAT scores and disregarding GPA, you can see that the approximate mean (or at least the mode, since I can't be bothered to do the math right now) score for asians and whites is 30-32 while the average score for the blacks was 21-23... that's fucking awful. GPA is not good sign because who knows what school they went to and what kind of teachers they had giving them free grades, but the MCAT scores can't lie. With scores like that, far less than 10% of black applicants would get accepted if they were held even to white standards, much less asian standards.

And I realise that we only see the scores of applicants and it's possible that white and asian applicants that scored poorly on the test did not bother to apply while blacks did because they knew standards were lower, but still... they are 4 categories below asians and whites on MCAT scores. That's like the difference between a D+ and a B.

Fuck even if you just look at the top two tiers for MCAT scores (36-38 and 39-45), 11.5% of asians scored in that range, 8% of whites, and fucking less than 1% of blacks did... I knew racial IQ differences were real, but I thought they were real at the population level and not this obvious when looking at something this specific.

>>130904180
American blacks have 20-30% European DNA and higher iqs than their pure subsaharan counterparts

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>>130904312
Here's another with more sources.

Oh shit guys I have proof
Everyone is different because god made us all that way
Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve ok

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>>130904357
These are fun. Enjoy.

>>130901117

Niggers aren't retards because of their skincolor or bone structure.
They are retards because they are niggers.
Physical appearance doesn't cause their low IQ, it just correlates with it.

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>>130904486
part 2

>>130904049
Yes. They are trying to obfuscate by making the argument about language.

>>130904180
>Regardless of the percentage of white genes American blacks have, it hasn't really changed their behaviors or IQs significantly.

Exactly, it just doesn't matter.

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>>130904491
>Physical appearance doesn't cause their low IQ, it just correlates with it.

>>130903123
I have to clarify something just so no one can say we spread disinfo here.

I forgot what genes Lewontin was looking for. He did indeed know what genes he was looking at. I forgot/missed that.

The funny part though is, that it was genes for blood type proteins. So basically something very basic that most likely evolved way before races.

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>>130891486
Skull shapes

>>130899021
PhD in Human Genetics here. This guy is pretty spot on. What we define as 'race' can often can span across human populations in 'wrong' ways such that people of the same race may be more divergent from one another then to a person from another race (especially true for "Blacks" in America). It's still an important and fast measure for population genetics but desu self-reported race is often wrong from what a persons ancestry is.

Overall, I would agree with the notion that race is a social construct, it's definitely not rigorously defined. Even if you think you're a particular race and 'look like it', there's a good chance one of your recent ancestors fucked some strange.

>>130891698
Spanish people are white? What the fuck? Every hispanic I've ever seen has been darker than a Syrian

>>130904689
>PhD in Human Genetics here
post screencap + timestamp or GTFO

>>130904417
lol @ asian verbal scores for poor asians, yet their math scores still blow even richer whites out of the water. Fucking asians man.

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>>130904769
>Spain
>Hispanics
Iberians =/= South Americans, leaf.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta

>>130904357
I also find it funny that some of the genetic racial-iq disparity deniers will specifically point to the fact that blacks in wealthy nations seem to be getting slightly smarter over time, assuming that this means it has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with social constructs or whatever bullshit, when the obvious answer to that is that more and more people who identify as 'black' in countries like America are Shawn Kings who are 80-90% white genetically.

Obviously as the black genes become more diluted with whites, their population genetics will slowly start to rise.

Just like how if mixed race individuals were identifying as white, they would be dragging the white IQ stats down, the fact that they almost all identify as black means they are dragging the black IQ average (which used to be based on a more pure black population) up.

It would actually be great to see a bigger break down on IQ statistics which separated biracial people in categories based on what % of what race they were... as if racial IQ studies aren't controversial enough on their own.

>>130904908
What does that prove retard?

>>130905626
that you are not Obamaleaf 2.0 nigger joogaloo

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>>130903871
That's true. Factor in the role higher prosperity plays in removing oneself from reality:

--- A lot of "gated community white liberals" like to do what they think is altruistic especially when it doesn't affect them directly. Ivory tower luxury of separation without consideration of long term consequences.

--- A lot of liberals have "beautiful" thoughts in theory. Peace and shit. Yes. Great. In a utopian paradise where everyone is an angel. Those parts of the psyche are terribly easy to manipulate. It's easier to have those thoughts once basic needs are being met (food, shelter, safety). White societies lead to more of those needs being met. Coupled with more innate altruism, it adds fuel to cyclical ignorance of the consequences of placing theories above realities.

--- A large portion of jewish caucasians have extreme amounts of that compulsion probably because of the duality dilemma. They're "not wanting to be different" from others on one hand, yet on the other hand they're born to an ethnic religion that promulgates a philosophy of "be different" on the other hand. The longstanding duality was ethnic tribalism vs. absence of a full ethnic territory to be tribal. Large rifts ensue between types of jews, much like other groups: 1. conservative orthodox isolationists ("non-parasitic") or moderates, 2. elite anti-gentile (interventionists, scheming, NWO), 3. liberal post-modernists clinging to "multiculturalism" in theory to justify a sort of yearning and self-hating duality.

>>130891486
If race isn't a social construct then get rid of affirmative action and having a 100% white government isn't a problem, since whites aren't real.

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>>130891824
>what is le source
>didn't source a single thing he said in the paragraph of pure horseshit

Fucking end yourself. The burden of proof is on you faggot.

>>130891486
who is this qt

>>130891486
>The facts are that there are no real observable genes that differentiate the races
racially correlated differences in e.g. bone density, bone structure, the reactions to certain medications etc. are all social constructs and absolutely not encoded by genes.
story time. I recall a children's book about animals back in the 1970s (yes, I'm that old), which talked, among other things, about how black dogs are objectively more aggressive than ligher-colored ones (it might have mentioned the Belyayev experiment with foxes). the reason it gave was that skin and the nervous system form from the same embryonic cell layer, they are closely related tissues from a evolutionary pov and so we should not be surprised if correlations show up. the book never extrapolated this to humans, but - much later, when I encountered blacks - I did.

>>130898951
1 drop

this should answer your question

>>130891486
Marxists disagree

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

>>130894780
>anyone unironically bringing up IQ in an argument should be ignored
allow me to translate: since IQ measurements show my views to be garbage, let's try to shame the opposition into silence. also muh rebbe Stephen Jay Gould and the mismeasure of man, thoroughly debunked.

>>130900438
so, there's no yellow and red?
also, the picture cheats. in practice those middle gradients are a tiny minority, and the majority of the points are unquestionably yellow or red, way beyond 95% is completely unambiguous. the proper picture should have 48% yellow, 48% red and 4% gradient in the middle.

>>130891486
give the dog analogy, all dogs look different but are same race and are biologocally shaped by reproduction keeping a subset of genes constant through generations

Why do (((dual citizens))) give a DNA sample to gain 'right of return'? ...are they checking to ensure a sufficient amount of religion in the blood sample?

>>130891486
Yes, there are biological races. There are differences in the DNA of Europeans, Asians, Africans, etc

BUT

This is the important thing to remember, and I feel like this is lost on so many people (by people on both sides of the aisle), "race is a social construct" *is* true, in that there is absolutely nothing in our DNA that decides we are white or black. "White" is a social construct. "Black" is a social construct. There are DNA differences between the people that make up white and the people that make up black, but It is also a spectrum, and how we define those racial categories has absolutely no scientific basis, It is entirely rooted in cultural and ethnographic history. That's what is actually meant by race is a social construct.

If white was a "real" thing and not a social construct, we wouldn't have a hundred "X is not white" threads every fucking day.

>>130891665
mixed race here, got blood when i was in a car accident

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>>130905626
>What does that prove
That you are who you say. Talk is cheap, and the rest of your post implies strongly that you're lying.
>retard
That's exactly what I suspect. Post a screencap + timestamp and shut me up.
>inb4 you can't
Same shit, different day.

>>130891486
type of girl to cheat on you and then act sad and cry when you find out desu

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>>130891486
niggers can't swim

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>>130910709
>If white was a "real" thing and not a social construct, we wouldn't have a hundred "X is not white" threads every fucking day.
Retards are often confused; that's just arguing from ignorance if you cite the retards. The increased percentage of shitskins and niggers from /b/ makes that phenomenon worse. Let me put it this way: no one has any doubt who is "white" when it comes time to discuss white privilege, racism, reparashuns, slavery, or any other "let's hate whitey" topic.

>>130910998
Yes there is. I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me that It's a construct or not, or you're just making comment, but it is absolutely a construct.

The "White race" is a cultural and ethnic construct invented with the colonisation of the Americas and subsequent importation of African slaves to the Americas.

The accepted zeitgeist surrounding who is or is not white changes, It is not a rule of nature that says who is white and who is not. Your opinion on what is white may not necessarily be 100% the same as another persons opinion on what is white.

>>130891486
Genetic inheritance is real, selective breeding works (with mutations of course) and race is real, but only gives you a portion of the larger genetic picture.

The people who know this use the Nazis and racial eugenics as boogeymen to discourage the public from realizing this.

>>130897155
Jesus Christ the hair on its chin

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>>130911314
>but it is absolutely a construct
Linguistically? Are you playing a semantic game over the vague features of non-technical vernacular?
>The "White race" is a cultural and ethnic construct invented
Ah, I see how you've confused this. Words are social constructs, yes, but what they refer to is not: race exists, people of European extraction are identifiable by their morphology as a distinct sub-species, hierarchies of racial classification also exist, so don't get confused deploying fallacies over the discrete or continuation nature of those observable anatomical and behavioral differences. Simply read the thread; all the nonsense you're spouting has already been addressed to death.
>The accepted zeitgeist
Biology doesn't change as rapidly as political bullshit, popular ignorance, or intentional attempts to obfuscate or confuse race for political purposes. Grow up, grow a brain, read the thread.

>>130911314
All words are constructs. Half of arguments are just over semantics. Your point might not be as meaningful as you think.

>The "White race" is a cultural and ethnic construct invented with the colonisation of the Americas and subsequent importation of African slaves to the Americas.
People have observed their uniqueness and racial differences for as long as people have been observant and crossing paths with other races.

>>130896845
Source on the original debunking?

>>130911862
That list is really only handy if you're dealing with purebreds, it's trickier to apply it today, especially somewhere like the US, where "white" has replaced the different Euro ethnicities. I can spot still tell most pure Euro ethnicities apart in person though

>>130894369
Didn't you lose your virginity to your 17 year old cousin Bonqweesha when you were 12, Tyrone?

>>130911993
>People have observed their uniqueness and racial differences for as long as people have been observant and crossing paths with other races.

I didn't deny that. I merely said that our current understanding of racial categorisation is a product of colonisation from the 16th century on wards. People had different systems of understanding phenotypical differences before that. We now have a new system of understanding. That understanding is a social construct.

I think everyone is just completely missing the point, not many people on /pol/ seems to have the intellectual capability of understanding that If you argue that race is a social construct you don't necessarily have to be a fucking full blown Marxist.

Until people acknowledge that our understanding of race is a social construct, and that all understandings of race will inherently be at least partially social constructs, the debate in this thread is pointless. Yes there are phenotypical differences between different groups of people, and yes we can trace and group DNA to understand that there are biological differences between different groups of people, but at the end of the day race is a grey area with a lot of vagueness. Trying to argue that race isn't at least partially a social construct just comes across as very arrogant and ignorant.

>>130912151
Debunking by leftists is when they drown out facts with emotional propaganda saying it's debunked. Repeat it enough and it's their truth. Facts suddenly become "racist" and anything "racist" is dismissed as "wrong" and "debunked" solely for violating their emotions. It was a highly effective strategy until the internet came along. Truth wants to be free.

IQ conversations shattering those Marxist "debunked" claims:
>>130898176

>>130911314
>It is not a rule of nature that says who is white and who is not.
"Social construct" is a red herring. Every taxonomic category is a social construct. Human race is a useful social construct to me as it tends, when used correctly, to enable trust-based societies.

>>130898494
>"a gravity"
Lol but also good point.

>>130912312
Even in "melting pot" environments, these sub-types are still observable, just as they are meant as general categories for "observable trends" or frequencies in morphology, not as an exhaustive list of all possible morphology. Generally speaking, this is what you get with Europid morphology, anywhere you find Europids.