Libertarian Goes Full Retard

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>>130886471
lol (((libertarians))) went full-kike

libertarians are just lefties that want lower taxes. theyre an embarassment to the classic liberals they claim to emulate.

A few retarded quotes from the article:

"If you don’t want immigrants in your neighbor’s house, that’s tough for you, bro; you’ll need to keep your prejudices on your own property."

"Of course it is morally wrong for nations to pursue their “self-interest” in anything, and especially in border control policies. People have self-interests that matter, morally; nations do not. Nations are toxic hellholes of false identity and purveyors of monstrous political violence."

t. lolibertarian retard

>>130886637
>libertarians are just lefties that want lower taxes. theyre an embarassment to the classic liberals they claim to emulate.

Troof!

>>130886637
True.

>>130886471
Nonwhite immigrants would never even come to a free market society. There wouldn't be any gibs.

>>130886471
Lolertarianism and Anarcho Kikepitalism are atheistic jewish economic ideologies
No different from communism just the other side of the same coin
Both communism and ancapitalism have the same traits, they're both cold and soulless, its all about numbers, investing, stock, and of course money.

Traditionalism, Monarchism, Fascism, National Socialism are the only true ideologies.

>>130886667
>t. "Libertarian"
You think Ron Paul would've said that?

>>130886855
But the welfare state isn't going to be dismantled any time soon, so we have to close the borders.

>>130886961
Ron Paul was openly for open borders?

>>130886471
>expecting lolbertarians to be reasonable
Libertarianism is just idealism, it's a jewpill

>>130886471
They're literally autistic.

Physically remove leftIstanbul and even centrist libertarians

>>130887015
Yes I know, I'm just talking about hypothetically.
You could have an open borders society in a free market society and the only people who would come to your country would be whites.

>>130886471
Free immigration to Israel is a right

>>130887143
This teebeeh

Lolbertards truly are the worst

>>130887184
Anyone below the line of authoritarianism should be physically removed, anything above the line on the left should be gassed

> not knowing that Communism and Anarchy are identical, i.e. the withering away of the state

> not knowing both are kike plots

> not knowing

lolbertarians guzzling kike splooge by the 5 gallon bucket

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>>130886471
>>130886637
>>130886667
>>130886942
>>130887143
>>130887144

Libertarians oppose *government* borders. It's because governments are criminal organizations that have no right to do anything.

Nothing stops private property owners from curtailing immigration in their own ways. Some societies will open immigration, some won't.

>>130887479
I literally said "these people [i.e. libertarians] are antifa-tier insane."

>>130886471
How are you people only seeing this now, they're anarchists at the end of the day and Jewish to the nth degree. They only care about shekels, I never take anybody seriously using the ancap flag because most times they don't even know what the ideology is about or the fact that it was tried in the 1800s and failed like communism did in the 1900s.

>>130886471
Psyop agents from multiple alphabet agencies have infiltrated libertarian groups, such as the Oathkeepers, to create division amongst the right.

What do country boarders matter if every man has a right to own property and decide whose allowed to access said property?

>>130887614
>borders
>criminals
>organizations
>government
>society
>property
>immigration

Just. Listen to yourself.
Deary me.

>>130887021
Paul believes that illegal immigrants should not be given an "unfair advantage" under law.[364] He has advocated for a "coherent immigration policy", and has spoken strongly against amnesty for illegal aliens because he believes it undermines the rule of law, grants pardons to lawbreakers,[365] and subsidizes more illegal immigration.[366] Paul voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006, authorizing an additional 700 miles (1100 kilometers) of double-layered fencing between the U.S. and Mexico

No?

Maybe these days, but not when he ran for president.

>>130886637
Wrong libertarians are right wing capitalist, but they don't believe in a state or system of government.
Left anarchists don't believe in a state and believe everybody should get what the need to survive through communal gibs.

>>130886471
Immigration is bad, period.

It's a one way street that benefits third-worlders and is a net loss for western countries.

>>130887860

Fuck off, jidf. Quit conflating government with society.

>>130887904
Yes but what is his proposed system for allowing people to enter the country legally?

>libertarians are your friends!!!! tolerate them or you'll never shift le overton window ever

>>130887614
As soon as a goy with enough shekels comes along you'll open your borders, if immigrants will do the labour you require for less, you'll open your borders. It's about the money Jew.

>>130888020
I'm not lunatic, I'm point out how completely brainwashed you are. Your language is totally robotic.
Everything is just economic to you (((people))). As (((Karl Marx))) said the true god of the Jews is gold. No wonder communism and libertarianism are both almost entirely run by jews.

>>130887614
So do you think national boundaries are arbitrary?

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Libertarians have always been tards

It's time to go full fash, white man

>>130888097
I've heard him talk favorably about a system where labors would come when needed and go home when not. But I haven't heard him talk much about legal immigration besides railing against the 14th amendment.

>>130888215
And both identical

>>130887614
A libertarian society can never exist for more than a week because someone will quickly reinvent a central structure and conquer your Somalian no-government "paradise".

Even a kid can see that.

>>130887974
Disagree entirely. Skilled immigration of artisans, craftsman, inventors....etc. is a huge benefit to any nation.
The issue we're dealing with today is mass immigration and population replacement on an industrial scale

>>130888097
Paul also believes children born in the U.S. to illegal aliens should not be granted automatic birthright citizenship.[368] He has called for a new Constitutional amendment to revise Fourteenth Amendment principles and "end automatic birthright citizenship",[369] and believes that welfare issues are directly tied to the illegal immigration problem.[370]

The current system?

>>130888447
That's the issue with anarchy in general, but I think in a libertarian society the most powerful companies would join together and form the new government as opposed to gangs doing on the left hand side of the spectrum.

>>130888190
>It's about the money Jew.

Yeah, I'm not arguing against closed borders. I'm arguing that market anarchy can have closed borders in its society. Governments operate in the same way. They'll let in jews with fat stacks of counterfeit cash and make it rain like they do now.

>>130888215

Cool reductionism, bro. Karl Marx also wanted central banks, just like the Rothschilds. We want the exact opposite.

This is a fucking hackjob. You niggers are trying to shit on libertarianism and promote Nazis in a cointelpro op. Fuck you.

>>130888277
>So do you think national boundaries are arbitrary?

Arbitrary? No, they were made by nation-STATES. It's just that governments don't have the right to make them.

>>130888508
>Skilled immigration of artisans, craftsman, inventors

These are outliers. And we don't need skilled workers from other countries when we already have plenty of them here.

>>130888665
See, you totally cannot comprehend anything other than a cold clinical breakdown of money and numbers

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>>130888289

DIAF JIDF.

>>130888665
Make a case for private borders, then.

Convince me that mass immigration from the third world into the West could be effectively mitigated by private organizations.

Because based on the research I've done private borders on a national (let alone continental) scale are a highly implausible proposition due to incentives and coordination problems.

>>130888447
>reinvent a central structure

You have to force compliance with such a structure. When anarchy finally get a strong footing, it will be unstoppable. When nobody buys the government shekel, it will permanently cease to exist.

>>130888979
for one thing, property values are probably the most effective racial segregation mechanism possible. Short of actual segregation policies.

>open borders
>immigrants can vote away libertarian policies

>>130888874
>See, you totally cannot comprehend anything other than a cold clinical breakdown of money and numbers

Well, I'm not one for appeals to emotion if that's what you're trying to say. I'm more privy to logic.

>>130888665
Without a government there is no way of enforcing borders you retard, all it takes is that one Jew to have that "oy vey" moment,
>employ illegals,
>products cheaper,
>undercut competition.
>no question marks
>profit

Nazism is also cancer, but we're here to discuss your fucked ideology.

>>130889090

can and will.

>>130886471
Ok let me start by saying, yes the article is complete and utter bullshit. That being said Libertarianism is not the worst ideology in the world, it stems from the very American idea that all people have a right to live how they se fit. Freedom, self determination, all those nice lovely ideas everyone born in "fly over country" grew up on. That being said libertarianism in the modern day is beginning to be used by the jews to divide rapidly growing alt right. They worry, rightly so, that this new trend in the populous opinion could threaten their move towards a one world government. To fragment this group they introduce ideas that have some of what they want and something that goes mildly against their agenda. Ex the above article, individual freedom but third world immigration. Honestly this is the same thing we have seen for decades as democrats have been pro education and anti gun while republicans have been anti education and pro gun. As a result the jews never have to deal with an intelligent population with fire arms. Same thing with the fragmentation of the alt right, Libertarians believe in free speech (even anti Semitic speech) but for the third world invasion while most alt right fascist are ok with limiting free speech (prevent degeneracy) while stopping third world immigration. As a result the jew once again wins. How do we stop it? Taking the best of both views and moving forward, by uniting against the scourge of organized Jewry and by forming armed militias filled with people who are educated on the facts of the jew world order. That is how we kill the kikes gentlemen, that is how we take back our countries.

>>130888979
>Make a case for private borders, then.

I said that borders would be regulated by property owners. I don't just let anyone into my home, so why would others just let anyone onto their property or into their societies? However, some societies may choose more open borders than others.

>>130889084
I agree, but I asked above the construction and management of private borders between nations, not enforcing racial segregation within a nation. Racial segregation wouldn't even be a problem for the most part if we weren't flooded with third world hordes to begin with (with the exception of African-Americans).

>>130889048
Humanity has existed for millenia and anarchy has never had a strong enough footing to create your lolbertarian paradise.

Face it you go against the natural order and can never exist m8.

>>130889090
Or if you somehow forbid gibs:
>immigrants chimp out
>communist insurrections everywhere
>be forced to go full Pinochet

>>130889048
thats a massive assumption

as soon as you throw anarchy in the picture you cannot predict what will happen, that's why it's anarchy

>>130889171
>Without a government there is no way of enforcing borders you retard

Ermagerd without gangsters there would be no turf!

Fuck you. If you knew anything about market anarchism you would know that we promote more organizations doing law enforcement instead of leaving it to a stupid fucking monopoly like government.

>>130889258
By what means could a nation enact and enforce collective value-judgements such as favoring open or closed borders in the absence of a centralized state?

>>130889282
The whole "private borders" thing is nonsense. This is an issue with centralized cost, distributed benefit. Obviously you need some kind of central government organization managing this

>>130889048
So fucking wrong, everybody is an individual in anarchy, until somebody realises if I get help from a mate we'll be stronger and so on and so forth until it's a huge group of people working together, then they win dominance in society and government is reformed.

>>130889321
>Humanity has existed for millenia and anarchy has never had a strong enough footing to create your lolbertarian paradise.

Well, your argument is analogous to those made by critics when early americans were touting constitutional republicanism and look at what we have now.

When enough people aren't as retarded as you are, we'll be closer to having what we want.

>>130887021
>Ron Paul was openly for open borders?

Yup. Him and Rand both.

>>130886471
im a minarchist, and i want my boarders shut TIGHT!

Libertarians VS LOLbitarians

>>130889422
Go to Somalia with the other niggers, they are the only ones that thrive in chaos.

All civilizations had leaders and a government. There is a reason for that.

>>130889422
Lmao nigga as soon as an entity claims the monopoly of legitimate violence within a determined territory there is government and borders.

Borders don't mean can or cannot enter they mean that within that territory it's X entity that has the monopoly of legitimate violence, literally politics 101

>>130889258
Private companies to do law enforcement, kek.
It's anarchy you fuckwit there are no laws to enforce.

>>130887974
I have to disagree with you here man, without immigration all European people would have to live in the kike run EU were holocaust denial and hate speech are illegal, where millions of third world savages rape white women in the streets, where any kind of armed resistance is impossible thanks to the gun restrictions. At least with immigration Europeans can flee burning Europe and help strengthen the white majority in the US. The problem isn't immigration, its who you're letting in.

>>130889450
>By what means could a nation enact and enforce collective value-judgements such as favoring open or closed borders in the absence of a centralized state?

It's called a market. People will organize to provide these services to customers. If customers want them, they pay to have them. The best part is that we'll have choices instead of getting one or the other.

The current system lets us vote for peanut butter or jelly, but not both. In market anarchism, some will have peanut butter, some will have jelly, and some will have both.

>>130889587
Transitioning from constitutional monarchy to constitutional republicanism is far more feasible than transitioning from big government to no government at all.

>>130889587
What the fuck are you talking about Neger?

Athens was a fucking Direct Democracy before any civilization had reached northern Europe.

The people who said that were hypocrites I present you reality.

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The left to right political spectrum is directly parallel with the low to high IQ spectrum.

>>130889526
>everybody is an individual in anarchy

Everybody is an individual anyway. Regardless, you're conflating the notion that it's impossible for people to operate in a collective under voluntary means. Your implying that it's impossible for people to interact with each other by choice and that they must be forced to do so. Good luck with that.

>>130889587
Somalia is in a state of anarchy right fucking now anon, and it's not because there isn't a group powerful enough to take the damn place it's because the first world is keeping it in a state of anarchy.

>>130889115
You're a Jew.

>>130889950
What's athens like these days?

>>130889645
"They might use the wall to keep us (citizens) from leaving"

>>130886637
yep - lefties who rationalize away any cognitive dissonance

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>>130889780
>legitimate violence

I'm not saying that governments aren't formed by violence. That much is obvious. What's not obvious to you is that this violence is illegitimate since they are the aggressors.

>>130889857
>Transitioning from constitutional monarchy to constitutional republicanism is far more feasible than transitioning from big government to no government at all.

That's likely true, but that doesn't mean we should just stop at constitutional republicanism. The US system was hackish to begin with. The Federalist Papers admit this. We're SUPPOSED to find new and better systems as Americans.

>>130890028
It's fallen and dead. never mention it's name again as it's existence stains humanity.

>>130889819
But you realize that if one group of people living on the border of a former nation-state decide they don't want to pay for private border security, they effectively force open borders onto the other members of their former nation-state, or force them to take on significant costs in paying for more border security.

For example, if the United States government were to be disbanded, and the people of all former borders states except California decided they wanted closed borders, they would have to pay for the creation and maintenance of a border wall along the entire eastern boundary of california, instead of having a central government pay for securing the border with Mexico along California's southern boundary.

>>130889950

>muh Greek Dick

You are clearly missing the point. It was an argument by analogy.

>>130886471
Everything gets Co opted sooner or later.

>>130889811
>The problem isn't immigration, its who you're letting in

You bring up a fairly new scenario, but I agree with you.

Under normal circumstances, Europeans would have to reason to flee the EU. I'm just saying western countries don't need immigration.

>>130889997
>Somalia is in a state of anarchy right fucking now anon

That is arguable. The UN is there. That and I'm the first to admit that there are good and bad anarchies in the same way there are bad and less bad governments.

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>>130890019
>You're a Jew.

Right back at ya, fgt.

>>130889989
It's a self interest world would have been better than everybody is an individual, granted. And I don't discount the fact people will work together voluntarily, in fact I count on it. The larger and more powerful group will establish government. Anarchy can only work so long as people remain self interested.

>>130888665
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>>130889258
>>130889819
>>130890352
National Socialists and Libertarians Arguing, think how much better off this country would be if these were the two major parties.

>>130890352
>they effectively force open borders onto the other members of their former nation-state

No, their neighbors would be the new border.

>For example, if the United States government were to be disbanded, and the people of all former borders states except California decided they wanted closed borders, they would have to pay for the creation and maintenance of a border wall along the entire eastern boundary of california, instead of having a central government pay for securing the border with Mexico along California's southern boundary.

Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Let Commiefornia get walled off with Mexico. IDGAF.

>>130886942
>same coin
>Traditionalism, Monarchism, Fascism, National Socialism
>same coin
>same coin
>same coin
cucks. the only true free ideology is minarchism. everything else is (((coin))) worship for literal cucks.

>>130890527
Syria and Libya were better off when they had functional central governments than they are in this constant state of conflict between rival political and religious factions (something that would surely ensue in any place central governments were disbanded).

Can this entire fucking thread stop arguing with this lolbertarian retard.

Like all lolbertairians he is autistic and his worldview exists and is feasible only in a state of hypothetical rationality. Every argument that you present to him about the imposibility of his philosopjy will be met with some snarky retort as to how "if people behaved how i want them to" we could all be in libertarian paradise

To bad for him, humans are not ruled by rationality and will therefore never fall victim to his fantasy world.

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>>130890710
>National Socialists and Libertarians Arguing, think how much better off this country would be if these were the two major parties.

You can help make this happen by joining the Libertarian Party.

>>130890845
So you are, in effect, advocating for the deconstruction of ethno-national identities.

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>>130886471
Moron
https://mises.org/blog/mises-nationalism-right-self-determination-and-problem-immigration

>>130890677
>The larger and more powerful group will >>establish government
And here in lies the fuck of it, you are right. And that's the problem with anarchy without government how do you prevent pure anarchy from devolving into something else, say a dictatorship or an oligarchy?

>>130890896
>Syria and Libya were better off when they had functional central governments than they are in this constant state of conflict between rival political and religious factions (something that would surely ensue in any place central governments were disbanded).

When you bomb the shit out of a country's infrastructure and leave it a fucking ashtray, of course you're going to have political conflict like you're seeing now. Apples and oranges.

>>130890989
Actually I belong to the national socialist party lol

>>130891048
>(((mises)))
lolno

>>130888190
Guess what, if some mexican wants to do your job for half the cost, I would fire your smelly aussie ass out as soon as I could. Lower prices are good for economic growth.

>>130890527
The UN literally prop,up the weak government, and hold back the gangs who would be in power if the un pulled out. You didn't discredit what I said, 1st world nations are keeping it in a state of anarchy, anarchy isn't natural.

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>>130890965
>Can this entire fucking thread stop arguing with this lolbertarian retard.

JIDF fuck off

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>>130890895
>not being a eugenic micronationalist tribalist transhumanist

>>130891146
As a non-interventionist I agree entirely.

>>130890965
Its funny though

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>>130886471

#NotAllLibertarians

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>>130891048
( ( ( R o t h b a r d ) ) )

( ( ( M I s e s ) ) )

/Ourkikes/

> an individualist from an individualist ideology is proposing that we fight consistently individualist solutions to a collectivist problem & not fall into a collectivist mindset to solve problems
Woooow, colour me shocked. How could they dare say such things?!

The one single solitary problem I have with the whole mozzie, brown people scare collectivist identity politics bullshit is that there is a group of muslims that have painted us all with a broad brush as enemies in their own collectivist way. If someone wants to kill you for your skin colour & where you're born it doesn't matter if you want to treat everyone as individuals you need to defend yourself. It's just there's a fine line between muh poison skittle fallacy & maintaining the consistency so that innocent individuals don't needlessly suffer for statist bullshit.

>>130888277
I river or mountain range isn't arbitrary, the borders of the state are arbitrary except for the lengths agents of the state are willing to go to kill people within/outside them.

Property though & borders are nowhere near the same thing.

>>130889645
That's not true at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T-iJKwskH4

>>130886667
Best part is that Jefferson and the rest of their heroes would never concur

>>130891041
>So you are, in effect, advocating for the deconstruction of ethno-national identities.

I'm saying that the ethno-nationalists can have theirs and the multiculturalists can have theirs. We have so much conflict because we have to live under a state that benefits from our conflict. If we each had our own, we could leave each other alone.

>>130891215
>A libertardian calling someone else a jew
top
fucking
kek

I just take solace in the fact that your movement is dying

>>130891217
National Transhumanism is probably the closest thing there is to a middle ground between Anarcho-Capitalists and National Socialists. It's an interesting concept, the main downside of it is that it assumes the existence of advanced technologies that aren't going to be around for quite some time (and certainly not in the hands of the masses).

>>130891213
>The UN literally prop,up the weak government

Well, there you go: not an anarchy.

>>130890710
It would be like it now anon, except your democrats would have conservative social views and your republicans would have Canada tier social views.

>>130891476
It was a joke nutcase
Transhumanism is the quckest way to get enslaved

>>130891432
>I just take solace in the fact that your movement is dying

Keep dreaming. We're bigger than we ever have been and getting larger.

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>>130891161
Your loss.
Unlike state worshipping Nazi types(that make the exact same mistake that their Marxist cousins do in conflating society and a nation with the State) what have molested everything nationalism is Mises explains exactly why real nationalism is a fundamental corner Stone of liberalism and by translation libertarianism.
Which men like rothbard and Hans Herman hoppe have expanded on for full state less societies.

If you haven't read any of these men's opinions and are swallowing the dumb shit Nazi wannabes post here then you're an even bigger moron then they are.

>>130891432
At least we're not as irrelevant as natsocs.

>>130891609
Libertarians have bled a lot of supporters to the authoritarian right over the past few years.

>>130886471
So let me migrate to the US then plz

>>130890965
It's a thread about libertarianism, he is the only one here with enough balls to fly his flag and defend his ideology. I respect that, you can fuck off.

>>130891165
Yes, yes well all understand you're a kike lol. You know what else is good for the economy? prostitution, it employs millions of women (and young girls) around the world. You know what else is? Gladiator fights, worked fucking wonders for Rome and it helped keep the masses dumb and happy. Know what else is? Cannibalism of the poor. We lower unemployment and provide sustenance all in one go of it. Don't believe me? Read Johnathan Swift's a simple proposal. There is great litany of shit that is good for the economy but bad for society. And for the record your economic theory is absolute shit and let me explain why. Which would you pay 7 dollars and hour or 3 dollars an hour? That's why our jobs our fleeing to china and mexico. You can have a minimum wage or you can have a lack protectionist policy you can not have both. Stupid fucking kike.

Trump had the best solution to the Syrian refugee crisis, even the most Libertarian solution:

> soliders are paid to protect the citizens
> government can get foundations & charities to provide aid in Syrian government controlled safe zones
> send soldiers to protect the aid givers in the safe zones so refugees have somewhere to flee to for aid without having to immigrate and take advantage of the welfare state

BOOM. Thanks for the great idea Trump.

>>130891385
Yeah, this.

There's way too much division going on atm where it's impossible to talk out any societal problem, the solutions are so diametrically opposed now, there's no compromise left and the political debate has turned solely into which side can force their way on the other which just breeds even more conflict.

>>130891217
>transhumanist
I would fucking never, I'm perfect already.

>>130891385
>If we each had our own, we could leave each other alone.
>this is what retards actually believe

Again, if we lived in a computer sim that treats people as data points with no pre-formed opinions, maybe then you ideology is practical

Unfortunately for you (and lolbertardianism in general) we live in the real world in real life
If the state were to collapse and cede its authority, that wouldn't magically wipe the minds of the far-left. They would still push their anti white agenda and use whatever methods in the new system to gain power
There would be no live and let live

>>130890403
You prove nothing because I refuted your analogy while you're backtracking.

Societies can exist as long as there is consensus.
What do you think will happen when your society is attacked from the outside when it's every man for himself? you will be killed in a jiffy and there wont be anyone even left to mourn over your broken kike bones.

Libertarianism does not work because it was never achieved by a society ever. It's that simple. It's like true communism, a theory that can never exist in reality.

>>130891385
You really think it's a good idea to grant multiculturalists the right to flood their areas of Europe under their control with third worlders? Don't you realize that would impose massive costs on the ethno-nationalists residing in their former nation-states?

>>130891485
But it is, because nobody has a clear mandate to govern. There needs to be a victor before anarchy has ended.

>>130891684
>Libertarians have bled a lot of supporters to the authoritarian right over the past few years.

They were never really libertarians to begin with. It's takes intelligence to be a consistent libertarian. You can have our retards. We'll get them back someday.

Besides, even if we've bled some supporters, we've gained a lot more. You Nazi fucks have always been vampires on our movement, but you're more like ticks at this point.

>>130891609
>>130891609
>go to YAL comfrence
>about 300 people
>find out like 50 of them were alt right guys just there to socialize and laugh at retards

Face it, in the atmosphere of increased polarity an ideology of conflict avoidance is doomed to fail

>>130886471
but thats not real ancap or libertarianism you economic illiterate

>>130891778
Don't forget why have women at home being mothers when you can almost double your workforce. Imagine how many pairs of shoes,birth control tests,abortions,lipstick,high-heels,daycares for children and slutty clubs you can sell.

>>130891957
>They were never really libertarians to begin with.
>They were never really communists to begin with.

See what I'm talking about?

>>130891623
Shame only the state was able to give rise to the culture that birthed your philosophy.

>>130892109
It's lost on them

>>130891819
>If the state were to collapse and cede its authority, that wouldn't magically wipe the minds of the far-left. They would still push their anti white agenda and use whatever methods in the new system to gain power
>There would be no live and let live

So you're going to be a huge pussy and instead of standing up to them directly, have big daddy government do your bidding. That's really working out so well for you now.

>inb4 muh Drumpfster!

>>130891957
>It's takes intelligence to be a consistent libertarian
this is why everyone hates you arrogant faggots

completely unrelated sidenote: have you ever heard about the relationship between autism and intelligence?

>>130892048
lol glad we don't live in that world

>>130891778
>muh society

I don't give a shit about the unwashed masses, they will fuck and suck regardless of whether people try to enlighten them. Never throw your pearls before swine.

There are a few people who can rise above the misery and drunkedness others put themselves in, I would rather not discriminate against them by creating a minimum wage that throws them out of the market.

>>130891957
Lolbertarians fuck up more than the DNC. They somehow make natural law look tacky. The whole party needs a reboot or fuck off.

>>130891609
Bigger than you ever have been... you do realise, anon that libertarian principals were the most popular from mid 1800s until the great fucking depression. The British empire ran on it, the US ran on it most of Western Europe was in on it. Granted the never went anarchist, but the libertarian side failed.

>>130892164
>So you're going to be a huge pussy and instead of standing up to them directly, have big daddy government do your bidding. That's really working out so well for you now.
What are you talking about. I never said anything like that. Of course there would be war in the streets of the state collapsed (god forbid) I'm simply stating that your "let each other do what they want" fantasy is... a fantasy

>>130891923
>Libertarianism does not work because it was never achieved by a society ever.
Ireland lasted a good half millennium in total anarchism longer than most governments last by a few centuries.

Hell America a nation founded on classical liberal ideals the grand father of libertarianism is the longest running government of self rulership in world history.

The most drastic failures of the last century have all been extremely authoritarian collectivist ideologies

>>130891923
>You prove nothing because I refuted your analogy while you're backtracking.

Claim what you want, you haven't done anything but make empty accusations.

>when it's every man for himself

Conflation. People can work collectively without a state.

>it was never achieved by a society ever

Yet. When you have that many enemies, the shit takes time to achieve with any amount of success. We get our victories piecemeal atm.

>>130891933
>You really think it's a good idea to grant multiculturalists the right to flood their areas of Europe under their control with third worlders?

That is going to depend on who owns what. You're thinking in terms of large areas of land. It would be more decentralized than that.

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>>130886471
>Free immigration is a right
Okay lefties, why do you have locks on windows and doors?
>to keep bad people out!!
That's why we need strong borders
>thats different!!
Noo ,it isn't. Give me your tv.
Free tv's are a right!
>Noo we need 1 million more muslims!!!
>also gay women furry queer trans lama rights!!
Funny how you defend muslims who fucking hate gays and women..
>buh buh buh buh ...
Talking to a leftist is like talking to a child who has no real comprehension of the world outside their virtue-signaling bubbles.Social media = digital bubble. Cities = their "real life" bubble. No other way of thinking is allowed.

>>130892326
>27 posts by this ID
>1/6 of this thread is one sperg's [autistic screeching]
LMFAO

>>130892320
>Ireland lasted a good half millennium in total anarchism
>anarchism
s/anarchism/minarchism

>>130892024
>b-but that's not real communism!!!

>>130891937

Tribes kill each other to become the ruling tribe. You don't need a clear mandate for it to still be a government.

>what I thought libertarianism was and what I thought it was
Reserve the right to tell anyone to fuck off. Able to discriminate at will.

>what most libertarians seem to do or be
Discrimination is bad and shouldn't be socially tolerated, just because you might be economically and socially ostracized if the government doesnt do it then its fine. Bigotry is bad. Open boarders and liberty for brown people is more important than restoring any lost liberties for whites who invented this ideology to start with :^)


All libertarians want to do is fuck gay black men while smoking weed. I dont think this semen sipping ideology is for me anymore

what do you call being social libertarian but you're reasonable

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>>130886942
this

>>130892198
>I'm a greedy kike and I'm not a nationalist or a ethno nationalist in the slightest my views align perfectly with Jews and I lack all empathy and morality.

FTFY

>>130891963
>an ideology of conflict avoidance

Well, it's easy to appeal to emotions rather than logic, but your short-term gains will not last. Our solution is far more permanent. When you fail, you will come crying for us.

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i'm a libertariHURRRRRR

>>130892109
>See what I'm talking about?

Cool conflation, bro. Libertarians who were weak ideologically didn't quite understand what they participated in. You're trying to conflate this with the "that's not real communism" meme.

>>130892536
"Social Liberals" (FDR, LBJ, Bill Clinton, Obama) would probably fall under your definition for the most part.

>>130891804
Correct answer friend

>>130892320
>Ireland lasted a good half millennium in total anarchism longer than most governments last by a few centuries.

They had tribal leaders it was not lolbertarianism m8 keep on dreaming.

>Conflation. People can work collectively without a state.

Of course they can work together without a state. I want to see them work together when your neighbors see you accumulating mass wealth and grab their shotguns m8.

>muh private armies

When you need a private army to guard your property you have failed as a society.

>>130892320
>>130892320
>last century,
what about the century prior anon, you know when libertarianism was at its height, there is a fuck ton of failures, and I'd bet you could probably link the civil war to libertarianism as well.

>There are a few people who can rise above the >misery and drunkedness others put themselves >in
And you my friend are not one of them. You don't want a minimum wage? fine. We can go full libertarian but if we do you don't get to say shit when 90 percent of the African American population dies off in the cities through starvation, disease or murder. Or for that matter when we start setting up deters prisons for all you stupid fucks who think you can just default on a credit card loan. Hope you paid off that trip you took last summer. What bothers me about people like you really isn't your ideals, I can dig social Darwinism, I really can. Its just that the people who support it are always the ones who bitch about discrimination and would be the first to fall under the bus in the new system. And while this wouldn't bother me in the slightest I hope you know that within 10 years of starting this system the white male patriarchy WOULD be a real thing and would discriminate the fuck out of women and minorities. Again I don't give a shit, but I have strange feeling that you do.

>>130892644
>Well, it's easy to appeal to emotions rather than logic
Yeah, seeing as most humans are not rational or supremely logical *tips fedora* it's kind of human nature to behave that way. So you can either deal with the "how it is" or go LARP about the "how it ought to be"

>When you fail, you will come crying for us.
no. no actually. do you study history? When this fails, people will continue to behave the same way. It's almost like some sort of nature of humans. Maybe a "human nature" if you will.

>>130892289

Even with the party's fuck ups, we're still making progress. It does need a reboot, but we're still winning. Our ballot access for next election is far greater than it ever has been and we have that dipshit Johnson to thank for it.

>>130892620
Empathy is exactly what's fucking up our politics. Shitlibs have empathy for some poor black kid on television and will use it to make policies that fuck over millions of white people that are unseen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVCwjjT_CVY

>>130892501
You kill the opposition there's your mandate

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>>130892536
A degenerate.

>>130892294
>Granted the never went anarchist

Exactly. The NAP implies anarchy. The only anarchists are libertarian.

>>130892892
>20% of this thread is a single sad loser trying to defend his flawed system

This is either the greatest troll in nu-pol history, or the sorriest sucker i've ever encountered (and I've been to my college's YAL club meetings)

>>130891923
> What do you think will happen when your society is attacked from the outside when it's every man for himself?

There is all the difference in the world between capture the hill style invasions where you want to capture the government & take over the tax system of a country/state VS invading and subjucating every individual of an entire population for......what purpose? Huge difference in how feasible it is & how different the process would be surely you can see that?

>>130893031
philisophical anarchy is not political anarchy.

NAP is a general guide, not an absolute. If anarchy leads to mad max, then it's better to have a limited government instead.

>>130892320

Don't forget medieval iceland, anon

>>130892320
>Hell America a nation founded on classical liberal ideals the grand father of libertarianism is the longest running government of self rulership in world history.

You think that America's Federal Government is in any way liberal or libertarian? You live in a dream. You will wake up in time.

They have the largest Army on planet earth and the largest police force than any other country per capita.

As for the self rulership... well you have to be delusional to believe that.

Anything but conservative is an embarassment

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>be libertarian
>society next door looks like this
wat do

>>130892892
What the US actually needs is full preferential voting, minor parties could the be elected.

>>130892310
>Of course there would be war in the streets of the state collapsed (god forbid) I'm simply stating that your "let each other do what they want" fantasy is... a fantasy

Nobody is suggesting that we go that route to get there. There are better ways. Then again, of course you would cling to a government that fucks you every day and you take it like a good goy.

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>>130886471
> Foreign
> Ethnic
> Europeans

>>130893223
America was founded on liberal principles, which it has strayed from over time.

>>130892947
There's a difference between give everyone all the money quick ban hate speech let the rapefugees in and excuse all their crimes.
And poor people can starve to death if you don't own factory you need to work like the Chinese orphans need to die since no one will care for them and any hope the lower classes had of improving themselves though education has pretty much got to go back to basic 18th century schools

>>130891957
Exactly right, only a small portion of any movement are consistent. Just like only maybe 5/10% Liberals & Conservatives would pass their own ideological test.

It's normal for a crisis to shift people, albeit temporarily. Just like the World Wars sure did shift people pretty fuckin quick to all forms of Nationalism, the statists crave a crisis to spread their propaganda. Doesn't mean they win in the long run.

Liberty movement is growing all over the world even in fuckin Australia & South America, it's beautiful. America needs to take advantage and catch the fuck up though.....and someone's got to go remind the French who the fuck Bastiat is.

>>130893278
>le 20%

>>130886471
Oh, what's the matter, drumpftard? Was the redpill a bit too strong for you?

>>130892453
>one sperg's [autistic screeching]

Cool ad hominem, jidf.

>>130893031
That literally real communism has never been tried m8, it's not possible.

>>130893247
They'll respect our natural rights of course ;)

>>130893247
Drop the jew ideology and go live in paradise?

>>130892472
but ancapism isnt communism though

>>130892760
So for you "paradise" to exist you need bees?

Hear me out because humans will never be on the same page, it does not work like that, you will always have contrarians.

You are like the true communism kiddies. You do not understand the natural order.
And because you are not in tune with nature you are doomed to fail.

>>130893357
Nice framing tactic.
>hehe if I call him JIDF, maybe some retards will think I'M redpilled

Serious question: are you raiding /pol/ right now? What forum do you come from?

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>>130886471
Race traitors die first

>>130893247
Say "Good day to you, mein fuhrer. Excellent job you're doing!"

>>130886471
That is a weird meme recently. I saw the Anarchyball FB page talk about free borders or whatever
Like emo/goth kids, this is a phase that will come to pass

>>130892294
> The Betrayal of the American Right - Murray Rothbard
> Omnipotent Government - Mises
> The Road to Serfdom - Hayek

The most prominent Libertarians have chronicled the great tragedy of almost having achieved freedom only for it to be snatched away by crisis & infiltration. Even Ayn Rand spoke about the same failure.

We are the resurgance though, the digital age is a big part of that.

>>130886942
>>130890895

>Not combining them to achieve the best combination.

My ideology is a combination of:
Constitutional Monarchism (With direct democracy)
Minarchism
Communitarianism (One vote per family)
Hoppe Libertarianism
Traditionalism

I think there should be a royal who unties the nation of smaller states which govern themselves.
The royal only manages major problems with input from votes and representatives of the smaller states.
Also the constitution will consist of liberties that make sure no-one can override/undo them in the first place.

I think the police/fire/emergency services should be volunteer and can accept donations. (These groups should be registered and have a code of conduct to make sure there aren't any problems)

>>130893087
>invading and subjucating every individual of an entire population for......what purpose? Huge difference in how feasible it is & how different the process would be surely you can see that?

KILLING YOU AND STEALING YOUR SHIT!
RAPING YOU, YOUR WIFE AND YOUR CHILDREN UNTIL YOUR ASSHOLES LOOK LIKE WIND TUNNELS!

You do not understand human nature, do you?

>>130892865
>Yeah, seeing as most humans are not rational or supremely logical *tips fedora* it's kind of human nature to behave that way. So you can either deal with the "how it is" or go LARP about the "how it ought to be"

I'm not against emotional appeals per se when it comes to recruitment, but our position is a much tougher sale than KILL ALLL JOOOOOS AND NIGGERS!!!! Then again, your sales pitch has a limited audience. Ours has something for everyone: something that actually appeals to the nature of more humans than WHITE POWER!!!

>>130892949
>You kill the opposition there's your mandate

Still a state tho

>>130893664
>strawman: the post
you are retarded, lad

>>130888796
But the government is the state.

>>130893437
How do you not see the parallel between ancap and Marxist version of communism. Both are impossible to achieve....

>>130893588
You do realize that your best thinkers and works have done more to move people to the alt-right than your shitty little LARPing club.

I would wager a bet that 75% of copies of "Democracy the god that failed" that world sold since 2010 are currently in the hands of nationalists and fascist. That book serves 2 purposes

1)explain why democracy is shit

POWER

GAP

900000001) make a case for the state of nature

>>130893661
Who's going to do that & why?
Then when you figure out who would do it, for example marauding Muslims from Indonesia, then it's a question of can the market allocate resources more efficiently & structure things more efficiently to protect an island from Muslims both overt & subvertive attempts to control a populace.

My answer would easily be, Mozzies have no chance. You get an armed populace with strong Libertarian models, the power of the market on our side & no welfare state? The Muslims aren't doing shit, neither are African barbarians.

>>130893069
>This is either the greatest troll in nu-pol history, or the sorriest sucker i've ever encountered (and I've been to my college's YAL club meetings)

This troll has nothing of value to contribute. JIDF scum thowing out the nu-pol meme like he knows something...
>Muh YAL in muh college tho

>>130893727
I know, it's a state, they're in anarchy now, kill the opposition anarchy ended they got mandate. Ffs

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>>130893390
> Literal commie revolution happening now

>>130893588
Ayn rand is filthy kike, she's a greedy selfish egoistic bitch that preached selfishness at every turn

"Christianity is the best kindergarten of communism possible" She should of been sent to a gulag for being inhuman

>>130893131
>f anarchy leads to mad max, then it's better to have a limited government instead.

The problem is that minarchists are convinced that anarchy MEANS mad max. It doesn't.

>philisophical anarchy is not political anarchy.

Clearly the philosophical ideal requires good politics to reach. Not all anarchies are created equal.

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>>130893390
here. south africa race war

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>>130893390

>>130894140
>she's a greedy selfish egoistic
That literally what libertarianism boils down to

>i only care about myself and everyone needs to know how much better I am than them. The state serves to serve the people AKA the collective and is therefore evil.

>>130893974
>then it's a question of can the market allocate resources more efficiently & structure things more efficiently to protect an island from Muslims both overt & subvertive attempts to control a populace.

So central leadership.
Will you do that alone?
Will the agency that you set up be temporary?

In a year it will be a permanent agency that will in time expand to become your government.

Trust me, if it did not naturally occur it's not worth discussing.

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>>130887860
>Goverments
>not criminal organizations that initiate force

>>130893985
He is an idiot, I can tell you believe passionately in your ideology and as such it deserves to debated. You clearly aren't a troll.

>>130893966
Nah. The thing you might be forgetting is that most millenials in the alt-right/Libertarian haven't read Libertarian works. A lot have but majority haven't they get it second hand & from places like Ron Paul's speeches.

Hoppe is used by idiots on here to justify fascism with the helicopter memes but the intellectual rigour in his works themselves particularly in "What must be done" show why Libertarianism in a powerful light.

The current shift of people towards things like Trump & closed borders, is just a flash in the pan in the long run. Crises get lots of people to act pragmatically & only some to completely change & even still these are people that change that had a minimal understanding in the first place.

The battle for popularity & the battle for truth are two different battles with their own eb & flow. Once Syria is sorted & Libertarians learn how sales/persuasion work then the popularity battle will pick up.

>>130893444

>herp derp you're an idealist blah blah blah

We understand the natural order too well. We're the experts on this topic. You're just grandstanding like you know something. You're telling me we need the state because we can't trust people to do the right thing. I'm tell you we need anarchy BECAUSE we can't trust people to do the right thing. The state is the expression of that ignorance and tyranny. It's idiots like you that perpetuate your own enslavement. Your Stockholm syndrome is showing.

>>130894289
No libertarians at-least try to make it seem like they care about people and the nation they just don't like big government and taxes This jew would sell her entire country out if she got a dollar more

>>130894414
>He is an idiot
No, I just can't stand his dumb philosophy and am thus dismissing it aggressively and rudely.

Honestly, I hate these """people""" more than communist

>>130893780
>>strawman: the post
>you are retarded, lad

One good red herring deserves another, but mine isn't really a red herring. Nice try.

>>130894490
roads

>>130893792

Yes, what's your point?

>>130893300
Funny enough, recently they sucked up to the DA (the official oppisition and party that has the biggest white voter base).

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>>130894490
The natural order is might makes right Nothing more nothing less. The natural order is control, you obeyed the chief of the 2000bc oogo booga tribe or you went outside and clubbed each other over the head to see who rules or you were a berry picker.

The toughest lion fights the other lions to be head of pack, same with wolves,and cattle,and elephants

>>130894480
>The current shift of people towards things like Trump & closed borders, is just a flash in the pan in the long run
>current shift
>flash in the pan
You truly are supreme retard
Tell me, throughout the history of the world have governments been more authoritarian or libertarian. Followup question, this new little experiement called constitutional democracy has existed for ____ of human history
A)most
B)some
C)a small fraction

>>130894040
>they're in anarchy now, kill the opposition anarchy ended they got mandate.

You're implying that anarchy means chaos. Of course people use the term that way, but that isn't what is meant here. That isn't how I'm using the term. Anarchy is the state in which there are no rulers. You're explaining to me a situation with various tribal rulers trying to rule over the other tribes. There are still rulers involved.

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>nu/pol/: "any group expressing views that differ with ours are libtard kikes"
>antifa: "any group expressing views that differ from ours are actual neonazi"
>Libertarians: "individuals should be able to do anything that doesn't infringe on others' rights (of greater magnitude), such as travel freely without harassment from the state"
nu/pol/: "BUT MUH NATIONALISM" (statism with oblivious pride)

>>130894414

Thanks, Anon. It does bother me when my ideology is misrepresented. It happens all too often.

>>130894567
Dismiss it with with valid arguments instead of referring to him a as fucking troll. This is a board of peace and political discourse not a natsoc, libertarian, communist, anarchist, trump or any other special snowflake group you can think of echo chamber.

>>130894643
You stated borders are made by nation-states, but governments don't have the right to make them. If the government is the nation-state then why does it not have the right to make the borders?
Or am I misunderstanding something.

>>130894628
>>roads
>muh retarded meme tho

Private property is possible in anarchy, therefore roads.

http://www.freenation.org/a/f53l1.html

>>130894140
> "Christianity is the best kindergarten of communism possible"
Chuck a bigger sook mate. Rand aside, Christians should move towards freedom more than Nationalism, the god of the state is no proper subsitute.

>>130894312
For starters, if the worst case scenario is that we end up with a government, then that's not a fuckin argument. Secondly, whatever is setup is up to the people involved at the time, the culture, their level of technology etc. Whatever is setup though, if it remains Libertarian or within that framework then it won't have some of the same flaws governments have.

If it had competition, then there wouldn't be a monopoly to take over like state vs state wars, if it was decentralized then again it requires massive population control which is as ridiculous as trying to occupy the middle east forever. Except the difference being market based alternatives, a higher level of technology, a bit more preparation etc etc.

If you think any institution that provides a service currnetly state provided will automatically become a government in a society with an anti-state culture then you're being naive and on top of that ignorant of the differences between states & alternative solutions....but whatever dude, no one is going to convince your imagination otherwise until its proven so you may just be another tosser that isn't worth trying to convince with logical theories or real alternatives.

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>>130894856
saved

>>130894794
>The natural order is might makes right Nothing more nothing less.

Well, if that's what you mean by it, then I'd go with it, but I see the productive class as something apart from the parasite class. I see the parasite class as interfering with the natural order.

>>130886942
>Both communism and ancapitalism have the same traits
>its all about numbers, investing, stock, and of course money
Are you fucking retard or is being a biscuit the new leaf? Communism stays fucking far away from fucking numbers and money.

>>130895032
Christianity is not free you are under the will of the pope. The most christian state you could get and one that any zealous christian state would eventually go to is a theocracy. They would have laws making you pay taxes to give to the meek, imprison those who commit crimes and punish cheaters and those who break the marriage bonds.

ancap and libertarian's are anti religion

>>130894970
>Or am I misunderstanding something.

Governments (nation-states, states) are criminal organizations that lack the right to anything. Their creation rests upon initiating violence upon the innocent.

>>130894902
The state only exists to further the interests of its people. It's staffed by the people, elected by the people, funded by the people, their decree enforced by the people.

Not looking after their people is negligence, reneging on their duty. Furthering others at the people's expense is treason.

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>>130886471
This is why I went full-pirate.
Freedom for me. Fuck everyone else.
>you're a selfish degenerate
Goddamn right. You guys wanna ban immigration? You got my full support. Just leave me alone and we're square.

To hell with immigrants. Waste em.

>>130892835
>there is a fuck ton of failures, and I'd bet you could probably link the civil war to libertarianism as well.
Nigger are you serious.
The primary driving factor of the US civil war was the North imposing absolutely ridiculous tariffs upon southern exports.

FFS for someone so opposed to something at least read some works by these people
https://mises.org/library/lincolns-tariff-war

>>130894821
Don't conflate, the flash in the plan is purely the popularity of voting for a nationalist outsider like Trump to deal with 1 or 2 specific problems; Syria & the left wing establishment.

The realistic long term problem is that states aren't solving the mozzie problem the way they should, which makes it worse, which gets anons to eat out of the palm of their masters hands.

Depends really on how long this immigration shit will go on for, whether it will be a demographic issue long term or whether it stops after the next big crisis.

Statism itself is another issue, but Hoppean snake memes & Libertarians voting Trump is just a flash in the pan in a long overarching battle.

>>130894954
>Dismiss it with with valid arguments
The burden of proof is on the believer.
He needs to present a valid argument for why it would work. All I've heard is his typical "well in a hypothetical scenario in which humans behaved as rational actors, if everyone acted in a way that I desire, then it would work"

I'll admit right now that libertarianism is kind of an ideal form of society for the European man.*It works on paper* But when you live in a world with mudpeople and kikes it really isn't plausible.

>>130894830

Property rights coincide with morality or the natural law. There is an exception for trespass to save the lives of the innocent. Idiots like Walter Block would disagree, but I prefer Roderick Long on issues like these.

I don't even bother attempting to debate people opposing libertarianism on here anymore. The ideology is grossly misrepresented nowadays, this thread is no exception. I guess it's the election's fault.

>>130895206
It's not a necessity though. Fuck the pope, living by the commandments & the good book is another issue altogether and would easily fit within a Libertarian framework of voluntary charity, community, responsibility etc.

>>130895154
Natural order applied to modern day society would be the boss clubs anyone asking for a raise and every few months someone challenges him to the death for his company.

Anything else about your freedoms to speech and movement and anything else comes from human society and sometimes they take them away, but their still human things hardly natural. A tiger doesn't have right to life in the jungle

>>130894677
>>130894723
>>130894856

Clear NAP violations, whether with regard to proportionality or otherwise. Forced memes are gay.

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>>130895347
can you faggots stop saying conflate

>>130895260
people giving the power to the state in order to help their interests at the expense of those not part of the state is tyranny of the majority.

>>130895265
The pirate meme, does piracy hold any legitimacy as a valid form of government or is it just ancap under a different flag, or is it the obverse of the political compass, where all ideologies also exist but in a twisted reverse version of themselves

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>>130886471
>libertarians
>relevant

>>130895459
Then your not a catholic, the pope is a key part of Christianity and the rich would be taxed heavily in a christian state to help pay for the poor and underfed

>>130893247
Respect their property until they violate the NAP, which you then retaliate by justifiably attacking them fof committing such actions.
What's so hard about this concept that people can't understand?

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>>130894902
FUCK BROWN PEOPLE.
They don't understand freedom.
They can't handle freedom.
They cannot be allowed to flood the market with their Muerta bullshit and Akbaring. We'd end up like Saudi Arabia or Venezuela being so ignorant of a clear danger. And if you're dumb enough not to recognize it I'll point it out for you: Even your fucking body is nationalist. WTF do you think your immune system even is? It's border control. Nationalism is just scaled up immunity. Fractal immunity as it were.

>>130895450
Convincing a few people on here won't get us a Libertarian society anyway. It's still possible to represent everynow and then but the real activism takes place far from here, I agree too many memes getting in the way.

>>130895520
You know what they say if the word fits....
> that pic
Fuck it's cringey listening to people say ad hominem fallacy in real life during a BBQ convo

>>130895592
funny how the further "libertarian" you move in quadrant two, the more people voted for clinton.

Really makes you think about libertarianism. hmm...

>>130895459
Andrew Napolitano caught shit for calling out the Vatican 2
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/09/24/false-prophet-why-pope-francis-has-disappointed-many-roman-catholics.html

>>130895242
If a government is created by the will of the people and is filled with men who have the support of the people to carry out their wishes, why is it a criminal organization?
Also, if there is no central government, how will you provide defense of your territories from foreigner invaders? What difference is there between a national military and (I'm assuming) private military?

>>130895577
No, it's your people protecting themselves from the majority.
If you don't support the right of people to self-determination then go fuck yourself, we have nothing to discuss.

>>130895583
>or is it just ancap under a different flag
We're the original ancaps.

>>130895618
I'm a Roman catholic, I just think the Pope has corrupted a good religion. Jesus wouldn't have followed the medieval or modern pope & like I said the book, Jesus & the commandments fit within a Libertarian framework, there's nothing commpassionate about taxation based welfare vs community based welfare & voluntary charity, no fuckin moral contest. Jesus ain't no commie, you know this.

Pure Ancap is retarded and impossible, but there is deff some parts of Ancap that i like.

Every form of government has some pluses and negatives.

Immigration isn't a right. It's like a family living in a house and someone wants to come in and live with them. That family takes care of and maintains the house and its utilities. Why should some random bum be allowed to come in?

>>130895479
>the boss clubs anyone asking for a raise and every few months someone challenges him to the death for his company.

Why challenge the boss to the death (assuming he consents) when you can just start your own business and beat him at his own game? In a libertarian society, you could theoretically challenge the boss to such a duel, but he would have to consent to it or else you have just murdered him and committed grand theft.

> A tiger doesn't have right to life in the jungle

A tigers are likely not rational agents with sufficient capacity to demand its rights. Humans are, and thereby have rights. Rights deserve protection; they don't protect themselves. Our way is how to protect rights better.

>>130895318
Check my flag anon, I didn't study US history I studied the empire and Australian history, my education into the American civil war was literally racism bad north won. I have since taken a greater interest in American politics and history but I am not nearly informed enough about the ins and outs of the civil war as I would expect burgers to be. Hence my non definitive statement.

>>130895854
Reclaim Nassau when?

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>>130895517
>Clear NAP violations
According to you

According to your neighbor, your cut grass blowing on his lawn might be reason enough to retaliate with a TOW missile targetted at your bedroom

>>130893492
I saw a white woman with her mixed kid today.
The kid was loud, uncontrolled and obnoxious.
My first thought was about the mean I.Q. of blacks and how by statistics that kid has a low I.Q.
The mother could do little but placate the kid.
He had no internal inhibition.
Ten years ago I thought all races were fundamentally identical.
The left, ironically, pushed me not only away from them but into a diametrically opposed viewpoint.
I don't hate blacks.
But I'm damned aware when I'm around them now.

1. Wtf is fee.org and since when are they the voice of libertarians?
2. No part of libertarianism implies open borders. Libertarianism is MINIMAL government & maximum liberty, having some sort of organized control of which outsiders come to your land is absolutely minimal, especially by the standards of any part of the world.
3. And no, if a member of a group expresses views that differ from yours, that does not mean their entire group is now libtard kike shill nigger cucks, unless you're an autistic child trying to be edgy

>>130896006
Singapore is the greater prize.

>>130894902
Individuality is bullshit. No great society in history was individualist and please refrain from calling America individualist because of the Federal government.

It's individualism for the billionaires and collectivism for everybody else.

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>>130895810
>If a government is created by the will of the people

This "will of the people" social contract bullshit is exactly that: bullshit. Contract entry require informed consent from voluntary parties and parties do not have the right to bind their progeny. Pic related: it's Lysander Spooner.

>>130895925
Render unto ceaser means pay your goddam taxes to the Romans
It's harder for a camel to go though a needle then for a rich man to go to heaven
The meek shall inherit the Earth
Gluttony and greed are deadly sins

Christianity is more closer to communism if it didn't hate religion then capitalism

>>130896167
Replace minimal with none then rework the rest of your statement based on the fact there is no government and you'd be getting somewhere.

>>130896111
>According to you

The NAP implies proportionality in its execution because a potential violator still has rights despite his violation. If my grass ends up on his lawn, then I should rake it up. This is an obviously outrageous exaggeration. Nobody truly believes that unless you're trying to be a bigot against market anarchists.

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>>130896362
>The NAP implies proportionality
I'm sure you see it that way. I hope your neighbor does too, for your sake

>>130896182
>No great society in history
Has ever lasted. They all end up dying. It's best, when your society dies, to make sure it's still as homogeneous as possible.

The only society in history that has lasted are the Freemasons, specifically because they do not have a leader and they vet membership in an extreme manner.

>>130896182
if you like collectivism so much go live in China with the other ants. Collectivism is everyone working together for the greater good of their leaders

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>>130896182
Western Europe and America rose to the top of the world on individualism and are now facing the end results of a terminal cancer of collectivism winning out 100 years ago.
And there's nothing indivualist about privatising profit and socializing loss that's the epitome of what Adam Smith heavily criticised as mercantilism in his book Wealth of Nations

>>130896186
You know your free to leave what ever your country you in. You can renounce your citizenship, if you don't agree. By agreeing to be a citizen you agree to follow it's laws

>>130886855
>Nonwhite immigrants would never even come to a free market society
False. Half of immigrants don't even take gibs. They come because white people can maintain a higher standard of living, so they will always attract shitskins in a free market. Free market = perpetual white flight.

>>130896181
Kek

>>130895932
> Every form of government has some pluses and negatives

I don't think many people would be saying this if they had a close encounter with the inner workings of government at every level. From what I've found the last few years on the small business side, governments are a shiny facade but rotten & rusted to the core. Slow, sluggish, immoral, inefficient, corrupt everything they touch & turn everything into painful shit. Simple practices like importing toys in Australia, going through the border force, police, state & federal government is like going through 3 seperate countries at the same time. Managing some rented & owner occupied units in the same building is like to rake leaves during a storm, or fill a pool by pushing liquid through a tube of toothpaste.

100+ years in my country as every new law has passed, every new department has sprung up people have given themselves & their mates little kick backs that when compounded is like filling a lake with a desert & then trying to clean the lake with a fuckin shovel. The tentacles are so deep in every aspect of life & there are so many written words & people in positions of power that it is literally impossible to repeal a government from within law by law.

Ancap being impossible? I dunno, I think it's pretty probable that the more people try to take a bit for themselves using the state, the more we stagnate & the slower the economy & society get, the more room there'll be for alternatives to side step a bloated system. More Bitcoins, Netflixes, pirate bays, p2p, community based stuff whatever it might be.

The rest I agree with you though aye, it's a property rights issue for me & trying to manage a statist border is just silly.

>>130896469
>I'm sure you see it that way. I hope your neighbor does too, for your sake

Herp derp, most people do. Also, corporations are state privileges of limited liability bestowed upon organizations. They don't exist in anarchy.

>>130894902
>Hoppean: We want a society where people will take care of themselves how ever they want, but we already know Commies, Liberals, Spics, Niggers, Mudskins, and of course Jews are going to try and ruin this idea, so lets kill them before they do.

>>130896186
>Contract entry require informed consent from voluntary parties and parties do not have the right to bind their progeny.
This is hands down the most autistic and LARPy point that hard core faggots, i mean libertarians like to harp on.
AGAIN, WE LIVE IN REAL LIFE. You kind of sort of have to take into consideration logistics and practicality. Imagine this fucking clown world

I think that where these differences kind of amount to. One one side is a kind of theory of humanity and society, and on the other side are people that actually want to function in the current system. It's armchair autists mentally masturbating about the what ifs vs people that want to make physical change in politics

>it's an "autists claim objective morality" thread
Morality doesn't exist without community.

Therefore;

Nothing necessary to support moral community can be wrong.

Therefore;

States are not wrong.

Furthermore;

Doing the things that are necessary to support moral community is good.

Therefore;

States are good.

>>130896578
>I don't think many people would be saying this if they had a close encounter with the inner workings of government at every level
The US government only this year stopped researching how to prepare for Y2K.

Terrible thread, in a libertarian society all of the border will be blocked because the entire state land would be private property and people usually don't just let people randomly walk on their property.

>>130895701
if they break the law, why not arrest/deport then for breaking the law?
Cant tell if you're just trying to be edgy wannabe racist or actually believe no brown person could live in the civilized society

>>130886637
Libertarians are as right wing as it gets. Where no government provides anything to anyone and private property rights / NAP can never be violated.

>>130886471
Ban check

>>130896616
>Herp derp, most people do.
actually most people laugh at that fantasy term

If "most people do" then maybe Gary Johnson would be in the White House. Oh, sorry I forgot. Even the LP has been infiltrated and co-opted by marxists. Johnson isn't only the laughing stock of US politics, he should actually be despised by real libertarians because of the bad name he's given to a pretty cool idea

>>130887614
>Nothing stops private property owners from curtailing immigration in their own ways.
Except for it requiring a consensus, which is practically impossible. If a property owner wants to sell it to a nigger, libertarian society says it's just fine. Ancap = perpetual white flight. Whites living like nomads forever, as shitskins destroy everything they build and they have to move on.

>>130896309
Depends on a persons actions more than the system itself. Giving away wealth, building wealth & not being greedy, basically being a Daoist monk are all still possible. Though I guess you're right, the meek proletariat revolution does sound a lot like Commie talk.

>>130896532
That is such a piss poor argument for a social contract, it makes way too many unsubstantiated assumptions.

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Reminder AnCaps are anarchists, antifa (anti state? antifa.) and didnt exist around here only 2 years ago.

No one with a black and yellow flag is a /pol/ack. Pure shills.

>>130896766
>Libertarians are as right wing as it gets
Libertarianism is left wing, dumbass. Capitalism and liberalism are left wing ideologies.

>>130896710
State=/=community
If anything States represent the exact opposite of what community is.
Community is about working together willingly.
States fundamentally do not function on a voluntary basis because they get their revenue almost exclusively through compulsory taxation little different than any other Mafia triad Yakuza etc etc etc.

Of course there's also a wealth of examples of projects being completed through actual community action in the form of bonds to fund projects instead of compulsory taxation.

>>130896578
>I don't think many people would be saying this if they had a close encounter with the inner workings of government at every level
I work for a preferred supplier for Legal Aid Queensland.

Government departments are generally better prepared and more organised than private practitioners.

I e-mail the ODPP for files and get copies that afternoon. I e-mail the private chambers of a barrister and am lucky to even get a reply at all, let alone the same week.

>>130896642

JIDF pls go

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>>130896743
How would you stop a cunt like Geo Soros from using his companies to intentionally flood civilized nations with turd world riffraff?

Being raciss isn't about being edgy. What part of "immunity" don't you fucking get, you idiot?

>>130897031
>State=/=community
Never said it was.

Read that post and try again.

Or, rather, let me spell it out for you:
The state is necessary to support a moral community.

>>130896486
That's what's happening in America as we type all this shit.

Billionaires getting richer and anybody who does not agree and help in their system can live under a bridge or in prison.

>>130896894
>That is such a piss poor argument for a social contract, it makes way too many unsubstantiated assumptions.
Why not you can have your citizenship stripped just as you can have it given to you. If you do not follow the laws of the country you can have it taken away under circumstances.

The state is just one big ancap village, if you don't agree with the villages rules you can go to another land or lie down in a hole and die.

>>130896495
Exactly, but trying to tell me that letting billionaires run rampart is good for us is bullshit m8.

>>130897097
>The state is necessary to support a moral community.
And I'm telling you that every centralized government in history has destroyed communities and nations more than any other factor.

FFS Nazis on this site ironically worship a statist regime that lead to the single most effective destruction of the German nation seen happen to any nation of people since the destruction of the non savage Indian tribes

What are libertarian's thoughts on the founding of the US and it initially being broke because none of the 13 States wanted to pay taxes. Was that basically the libertarian dream?
Also what are your thoughts on George Washington and his use of the militias to force tax payment

>>130896894
>That is such a piss poor argument for a social contract
How about this argument:
There's no other workable system.
How about that? Explain to me how a world in which citizens must consent to state authority or decline and have personal autonomy would function.

Protip: it can't

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>>130897336
>And I'm telling you that every centralized government in history has destroyed communities and nations more than any other factor.
You are baselessly peddling an assumption you desperately need to be true as a fact so that you can win converts to your dumb religion.

Moral community requires security and stability. Most things that provide stability are public goods, which the state provides most efficiently. The state is also the most effective security provider, and as we all know because we all actually read books here (right?) the security dilemma ensures that only the most effective providers survive.

>>130896887
>Except for it requiring a consensus

Get off my lawn. No consensus required.