REFUGEES WELCOME

>>130845153
Now show me the London population and the refugee population in London

>>130845153
I was unaware that 100% of our imigration was refugees.

About 1 in 10 babies in England are Muslim at this moment.

>>130845153
Ebic bait. Sad thing is if you posted this on normiebook lefty retards would take it at face value.

>>130845153
Still every year more people die in car accidents in london than in terror attacks

>>130845153

Look at differential birth rates and the TRENDS where are the TRENDS heading, it's towards white decline.

The argument is about immigration not refugees.

>>130845153
>A 2010 estimate for the whole of the UK shows that 4.76 million people (7.7 percent) were born outside the EU and 2.24 million (3.6 percent) were born in another EU member state.[

>>130845757
/thread

>>130845153
sage & reported

>>130845153
Their army already infiltrated 193,510 soldiers in your land!
Let's spread this with a #TrojanHorse

>>130845153
I like that strawman

>>130845944
yeah well i insult blacks a lot more than I do jews, so you shouldn't mind if i call you a stupid filthy kike

>>130845459
london population: 8.5 million
refugees in all of UK, including london: 193,510
>WE'RE BEING OVERRUN

>>130845871
Bullshit.

>>130845871
The remaining 9/10 are faggot atheists and catholicucks

>>130846093
those numbers aren't just for refugees dumbass

>>130846382
1 in 10 would be a low estimate.

>>130845153
What's total immigration?
What's illegal immigration?
What's birth rates?
Kill yourself, sage this shit.

>>130846533
Who gives a fuck?
Refugees are the shit icing on a shit immigration cake.

>>130846564
Double bullshit.

>>130846533
The argument of "we're being taken over" is not limited to refugees.

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>>130845153
That's 193,510 too many.

>>130846831
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/parentscountryofbirthenglandandwales/2015

>Over a quarter (27.5%) of live births in England and Wales in 2015 were to women born outside the UK, the highest level on record.

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>>130845153

Daily reminder this exact propaganda was used in the US when they changed their immigration laws in the 50s and 70s.

People were promised the US would not change in any way, because "they were so few". Moral grandstanding was made. Accusations of racism flew.

And now the same people cheer the fact that the US is not going to be a white majority country in another decade. In fact white people in the US have no way in hell of ever reclaiming the country.

What happens next? Look to South Africa for another glimpse into the future.

Now they want to sell Europe the bullshit they managed to get the US to swallow half a century ago. The problem here is that "we were always a multicultural society" is a lot harder to sell. Still they try.

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White Nationalist BTFO. Get fucked cumskin, we are going to continue to come and there isn't anything you can do about it.

>>130846807
>>130846850
because your immigration levels are similar to any other nation that people actually want to migrate to. its just your refugee intake level that is abnormal

>>130847176
>because your immigration levels are similar to any other nation that people actually want to migrate to

So, disasterously high then?

>Focuses solely on Rapefugees from Syria arriving in the past few years
>Doesn't take into account other nonwhite immigrants
>Doesn't take into account nonwhites that were born here
>Doesn't take into account birthrates
>Doesn't take into account the fact that they shouldn't even be here at all.

>>130847274
no. immigration being high is much of the reason behind your economic success

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>>130845153
>ignoring the non-brits already in the country
>ignoring that more will follow over the next decades

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>>130845153
Enjoy your no-go zones developing in London, your birthrates way below the muslim ones, the rise of more and more mosques, the teaching of Islam to your children, and your lack of weapons and self-defense.

okay but according to muslim's london mayor terrorism is part of living in a big city so is it really safe for them here?

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>>130845153
Oh yeah, and enjoy your Muslim mayor of London- think he's going to help prevent more and more muslims entering the country?

>>130846382
Nah, it's true
http://archive.is/k0B8n
also
i) these are 2011 figures, the UK muslim population has been doubling every ten years
ii) 7% of census returns refused to say what religion they were
iii) how many muzz are going to complete the kaffir census anyway? No illegal will, and probably many others.

>>130847437
There is more to life than money. If trends continue, there will not be a Britain.

Yes there will be an Island, it will probably still be called the UK, but it will not be populated by the British - the thing that makes a country more than just a patch of geography.

>>130847166
>you're still a shitskin

>>130845153
>we have to wait until it's too late to worry about being overrun
Self defense starts the instant there is a threat against you, not when you are near death.

Faggot.

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>>130847037
Your study says nothing about the religion of those parents. However, LOLed at your country when this point was made:
>Poland, Pakistan and India were the 3 most common countries of birth for women born outside the UK who gave birth in 2015 (Table 2). Between 2001 and 2006, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh were consistently the 3 most common countries. However, in 2007, Poland replaced Bangladesh as the third most common country, rising to second place in 2008 and first place in 2010.
>>130847037

>>130847176
So, other western countries are eating shit cake too. That's fucky peachy then, western civilisation can get fucked up in every western country at the same rate.

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>>130847740
Holy shit m8s.

>>130847875
The fact that a full quarter of live births are to parents not even born here, never mind native, and that the top origins for the people tend to be heavily Muslim countries tends to suggest that 1 in 10 births being Muslim is at the very least not far fetched.

>>130847741
You guys wouldn't even have an island called the UK if it wasn't for your economic success. You would have been conquered long ago. Also, give me one logical reason why that particular island should be tied to that particular ethnicity. You can't answer that without resorting to your own gut feeling or emotions or appealing to tradition or some other bullshit. And no, a pseudo-science response of "political orientation is tied to ethnicity" is not going to cut it.

>>130848011
see: >>130847437

>>130845153
193,510 too many

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>>130845944

>>130845871

Oh shut the fuck up. There is 19 million Musilms in all of EU(UK is still part of it) and there is around 600 million of us living in EU right now. Your stats are pure bullshit. Fucking fake poster.

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>>130848162
Nah, we're good. You and the other anon convinced me. Guess you'd better hope they really are a religion of peace.

>>130847437
Or economic success is much of the reason for immigration being high.
Anyway, our GDP is still below what it was 10 years ago, after importing another 5% of our population.

>>130848181
>You guys wouldn't even have an island called the UK if it wasn't for your economic success. You would have been conquered long ago

Please enlighten me as to exactly who was going to conquer us between when mass immigration began in 1945 and today.

>>130848181
We were sucessful economically without mass immigration. That we need it or risk becoming some third world shithole is completely falacious.

As for why Britain should be British, it is our birthright. We are the natives, and as such have just as much right to our homeland as any other group does to theirs.

>conflating refugees with migrants

WHY DO RETARDS STILL DO THIS?

THEY ARE EITHER BEING STUPID OR JUST PURPOSELY DISINGENUOUS

The migration figure would far exceed this. The number of people born overseas would be in the millions.

>>130848181

Tradition is beauty. Bringing in 2% of your population every year destroys that. It's understandable why an American doesn't understand that. There's nothing worth protecting in your country.

>>130845153

All the shills in this thread are American


Really gets the Neurons passing some binary information to other Neurons at Speeds close to the speed of light lad

QUADS AND WE'RE FULL

>>130845944
Nice context denial

>>130847164
Sweden NO!

>>130845153
All refugees != all migrants

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Tell me, how many people does it take to perpetrate a terror attack?

>>130848624
you guys have just about made a full recovery. it's not like you guys are lagging far behind other nations who were impacted by the economic crisis.

>>130848652
You misread what I said. I said that you would have been conquered long ago if you were in a poor economic condition compared to successful nations in your area and that stopping migrants would help to put you in a poorer economic condition.

>>130848682
Rome was successful without relying on capitalism. Times change, the things you need to do to be successful change. Stop being a dumbass. Migration is one of the things modern countries need to be successful.

>>130848851
oh look a post devoid of logical reasons.

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>>130847740
>>130848162
>The 10 most common non-UK countries of birth of mother have remained fairly similar across the 10-year period since 2004, with 6 countries remaining constant: Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Germany and Somalia.

>>130845153
>doesn't show the amount of mudshits living in the UK now compared to 20-30 years ago

Mmh.

>>130845153

Is that 2nd and 3rd gen population of all IMMIGRANTS to the UK ?

You fucking ayn rand worshiping social darwinist lefty slut!
You probably love the effect it has on competition when disabled can no longer get a job due to competition, as long as you get to fuck up All cultures of the world to make everything plain and unexciting. You little twat!

>>130848682
>As for why Britain should be British, it is our birthright. We are the natives, and as such have just as much right to our homeland as any other group does to theirs.
You're just appealing to tradition. "Birthright" doesn't exist.

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>>130848181
>And no, a pseudo-science response of "political orientation is tied to ethnicity" is not going to cut it.
I would've said social cohesion and happiness (which decrease with increased diversity, see Putnum's study), crime rates, cuntiness and identity politics, islam being fucking barbaric, niggers being generally lower IQ, but your retarded inb4 shows what poor quality bait this is, so I'm out

>>130845153

7,000-10,000 ISIS fighters according to your own intelligence agencies.

>>130849454
Yes it does, you fucking mongrel

>>130849298
>Rome was successful without relying on capitalism. Times change, the things you need to do to be successful change. Stop being a dumbass. Migration is one of the things modern countries need to be successful.

So "it's the current year"?

>You're just appealing to tradition. "Birthright" doesn't exist.
I see we're going to have to kill you people. A shame. If only you'd left well enough alone.

>>130848652
>Commit racial suicide so you don't get conquered

Kind of like killing yourself so you don't have to clean your room.

>>130849454
You know you don't actually believe anything you've posted, right? Stop being a fucking pussy and start questioning the shit being rammed down your throat like it's your father's cock.

>>130847437
Ah yes, the most I portent thing to a nation is ((((((((economic))))))) success.

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>>130845153
This version is more accurate

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>>130848181
But it is you stupid fucking faggot

>>130849454
Yes it does. I have just decided it does.
>inb4 'no it doesn't
that just doesn't cut it in 2017
where have you cunts spring from? /b or somewhere else?

>>130849298
>Migration is one of the things modern countries need to be successful.
>Short term economic success is worth breeding your people to extinction for

Successful for perhaps 1 or 2 generations until the bulk of your population has been replaced with sub 90 IQ niggers and inbred sandniggers. It's like committing suicide with heroine, feels great for a while, but then you're dead.

>>130847176
People that are against refugees are against immigration too retard.

>>130848181
>You would have been conquered long ago

Irrelevant, that does not Justify authoritarian imperialist takeover. Does it

>>130845153
What about all the legal shitskin immigrants that aren't raperefugees?

They're just as bad.

>>130849620
>replying on one study to form the foundations of your political beliefs
you don't understand science it seems either. that kind of stuff needs to be replicated before you can give any kind of social study any kind of credibility

>>130849699
>So "it's the current year"?
no. I'm saying that circumstances change so you need to do different things to be successful nations. in the past people were able to be successful without capitalism. now being successful without capitalism is unthinkable. in the past you could sustain your success without much migration, now that has changed as well.

>>130849826
>muh emotions
stop posting any time

>>130849860
I've already responded to two posts just like yours. read the thread dumbass

>>130850108
then explain why those trends flip over time if they are tied. blacks used to be in support of the republican party in america then that changed. you can't account for that in your model of "political orientation is tied to ethnicity"

>>130850245
birthright is just a concept invented by powerful people in a culture to make sure they maintain their standing in that particular society. there's no justification behind it. it's just bullshit like "the pharohs are gods". that was just said to keep them in power

>>130850273
there is literally no example of that social suicide ever happening anywhere. it's only happened in your imagination

>>130845871
Babies don't have religious beliefs.

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>>130845944
One is happenstance and the other can easily be prevented by not letting a certain group of people into the country you duplicitous kike.

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>>130850729
>I've already responded to two posts just like yours. read the thread dumbass
Na. I think I'm just going to call you the kike you are for putting ((((((((economic)))))))) success over the wellbeing of your fellow countrymen. Fucking kike.

>>130850273
>It's like committing suicide with heroine, feels great for a while, but then you're dead.

You forgot about the extended period of regret once you realize you will never live without heroin and spend your days trapped in your own head remembering your former potential contrasted with the despair of your current state.

>>130845153
193 000 is too much, you forgottent to calculate all non-Whites too, cuck

>>130851030
it really is sad what getting your political beliefs from an anime website does to people
all you can do is think in terms of memes and go with the grain of what the rest of the board does

>>130850729
>no. I'm saying that circumstances change so you need to do different things to be successful nations. in the past people were able to be successful without capitalism. now being successful without capitalism is unthinkable. in the past you could sustain your success without much migration, now that has changed as well.
But the need for unlimited immigration will somehow NOT change? Also fundamentally incorrect. Japan does not have mass immigration, but remains a very sucessful nation.

>>130845153
The (((Elitists))) get a say in who must be forced to integrate with foreign people and or people of different races.

The common man gets forced to integrate and gets his life ruined if he objects to this integration.

Hey (((Elitists!))) Put the niggers in your neighborhood.

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>>130849944
OP learns quickly that the bullshit test on pol is infallible.

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>>130845153
Now show what percentage of the UK population is European.

>>130851199
I agree that would be sad... Now fuck off kike.

>>130851199
If you don't want to be called one, don't act like one.

>>130850739
But they have sandnigger genes

>>130851206
>But the need for unlimited immigration will somehow NOT change? Also fundamentally incorrect.
I never said anything like that. you're arguing against your own hallucination of what you think I said.

>Japan does not have mass immigration, but remains a very sucessful nation.
And they are below birth replacement levels and facing a unique problem because of that. Japan knows that they will have to change eventually.

>>130850729
>there is literally no example of that social suicide ever happening anywhere.

Examples of racial demographics in a region changing are prominent throughout history, you're living in one such example. In your case it was an external factor that caused it but there's no reason hedonistic internal factors can't have the same effect, especially considering nobody has ever been this committed to destroying their own kind in exchange for shekels.

>>130845153
Why don't the refugees just go home and fight? Instead they come here and take benefits like unwelcome guests that won't leave. Unpatriotic!

>>130851480
>I never said anything like that. you're arguing against your own hallucination of what you think I said.
You heavily implied it by saying that mass immigration is vital to our future sucess.

>And they are below birth replacement levels and facing a unique problem because of that. Japan knows that they will have to change eventually.
Here's a novel solution: have more babies. Also, what exactly is wrong with population decline to a sustainable level? Unlimited growth is simply not possible.

>>130851434
your post assumes that ethnicity is tied to political orientation. I can't "act like a kike" by having a political discussion because political orientation is not tied to ethnicity

>Examples of racial demographics in a region changing are prominent throughout history
you just changed the topic from social suicide to racial demographics changing. I never denied that racial demographics change. Also the usa has not experienced any kind of social suicide, we are still more successful than ever.

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>>130851385
hue he hue

>>130850729
>you don't understand science it seems either. that kind of stuff needs to be replicated before you can give any kind of social study any kind of credibility
Yeah, that's probably how I got my physics degree. Would you ignore the study and base your beliefs on nothing? Actually a Vancouver study found results in line with Putnam's study. And given the difficulty in running studies that start to show inconvenient results, I'm not holding my breath for more studies.

>birthright is just a concept invented by powerful people in a culture to make sure they maintain their standing in that particular society.
and a concept to tie a nation's people together, and give them a reason to improve things for the next generations

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>>130845153
this is the most retarded thing i have read in a long time. in 30-40 swedish people will be a minority in their own country. muslim families have an average of 5-6 children, european families 1-2. it will take longer in england but we will see it in our lifetime that europe will be turned in a third world shithole and nothing you can do about it. its already too late.

>>130845153
Yeah let's just forget how the "UK Population" is already full of shitskins and people of non-native origin.

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>>130846314
>yet more than half of london are immigrants

>>130851802
>Acts like a stereotypical nation wrecking kike
>Gets called one
>Deflects like a stereotypical nation wrecking kike

>>130851802
I never mentioned social suicide, I was talking about racial suicide.

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>>130851223
start a go fund me page to buy a house next to the politician pushing for refugees.
Then fill the house with refugees.
You can actually probably get the left to pay for it as well.
two go pages
>one for get the politician a taste of own shit Right
>one for lets give these refugees a nice place to live for the left

>>130850739
They do if they are Muslims you idiot. Since they were born to Muslim mothers, they are Muslim. Converting or being irreligious is considered apostasy and they will be killed.

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>>130850729
>there is literally no example of that social suicide ever happening anywhere. it's only happened in your imagination
>he's never read the history of the Roman empire
Also the economic argument for immigration is incredibly shitty. It's essentially a way to increase inflation and devalue labor so the corporations can fuck over their native working class

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>>130845153
>1 post by this id
>sage
mfw summerfags can't detect bait.

>>130848181
Telling them to justify the continued existence of their people is such a kike move. Fucking Jew.

>>130845982
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Why not enforce a one-child-policy on anyone less than 3/4ths English/Irish/Scottish/Welsh? That way they can still move to the UK without replacing the native population, since they will naturally decrease in population size over time?

>>130845153
We'll be fine

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>>130848181
I'll counter that - if it's okay for the Europeans to be displaced from their countries by foreigners, then why was it bad when Europeans did it in South Africa and America? Are you saying the Europeans should look to go down the same path as the Native Americans? Should Europeans be subject to living in enclaves in their own countries while the rest of it burns down because of the Muslim and Nigger savages?

We should naturally oppose mass migration because of what we did to the Natives. We KNOW how this ends. We know for certain. We know that we will be killed off as the horde expands ever farther north, consuming all of Europe and displacing them. And they still won't be satisfied. They will still rape our women, burn our settlements, slaughter our men, and convert our children. Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

>>130845153
>193,510
Does anyone actually believe this number?

>>130851525
>Examples of racial demographics in a region changing are prominent throughout history, you're living in one such example
I never denied that. Also I don't consider "racial suicide" a real problem. It's the success of a nation that I consider a problem.

>>130851796
I didn't heavy imply that. I never said unlimited migration is good and I never said that needing migration to be successful will "NOT change". Of course it could change as circumstances change.
>have more babies
you are ignorant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition

>>130851932
I guess getting a physics degree doesn't mean you know anything about science. you need to hold your breath on this sort of stuff instead of jumping to conclusions on inconclusive studies
>and a concept to tie a nation's people together, and give them a reason to improve things for the next generations
you're trying to romanticize that barbaric concept. there's other stuff that serves all of those functions you just listed

>>130852423
>the roman empire collapsed for this one specific reason that happens to confirm everything about my own political beliefs wow what do you know :^)
rome fell for a variety of reasons. you're being dishonest to say it was only caused by racial changes especially when racial changes weren't even well documented

>>130853408
you're equivocating migrants with conquerors. stop posting any time

>>130853494
No-one really knows. About 30-40% of asylum applications are rejected, but they just disappear. Also, after 5 years, they can get citizenship and drop of the figures. So no-one has a scoobie.

>>130853911
>equivocating
wrong word. I meant you're talking as if they are the same thing which they are not

>>130853911
>you're equivocating migrants with conquerors. stop posting any time
Europeans WERE migrants at first, not conquerors. It's not false equivalence, it's literally something that happened throughout history. If you want proof of shitskin Muslims doing this, look at Anatolia, which used to be White as fuck. Look at it now. Turkroaches as far as the eye can see, and they spread their shit into Bulgaria and Greece as well. Let's not forget Cyprus, where the shitskins have taken over the North of the island

>>130846314
>cant look 15-20 years down the road.

Oy vey goyim are so foolish and fall for these tricks over and over.

>>130853911
>I didn't heavy imply that. I never said unlimited migration is good and I never said that needing migration to be successful will "NOT change". Of course it could change as circumstances change.
Fair enough. You accept then that mass immigration is therefore not necessarily vital to our future sucess.

>Demographic transition
I know about it. I asked you why population decline to a sustainable level is a bad thing. Births will not drop to zero (assuming we don't go the way of universe 25).

>>130853911
>you need to hold your breath on this sort of stuff
No. There's too much at stake. We can't just undo immigration after the third, fourth, or nth study proves we fucked up to the satisfaction of your bullshit criteria. The onus is on you.

>>130854108
>Europeans WERE migrants at first, not conquerors. It's not false equivalence,
you're just telling lies now. fuck off.

>Fair enough. You accept then that mass immigration is therefore not necessarily vital to our future sucess.
no I don't. my position is that right now our future success relies on continued high levels of migration and I'm leaving open the possibility that one day that won't be a requirement for success like it is now

>I know about it.
you said they should just have more babies to solve it. that demonstrates that you were ignorant of that not being a realistic solution.

>I asked you why population decline to a sustainable level is a bad thing. Births will not drop to zero (assuming we don't go the way of universe 25).
sorry I forgot to respond to this (I accidentally deleted my whole post and had to rewrite it all quickly)
my response is that declining to a sustainable level is a bad thing because right now capitalism is a requirement for success and that means you need to grow your economy. that means if japan tried to just be sustainable they would not be successful

>>130854682
stop posting any time. you based your claim on science so of course I'm going to hold your claim to the basic standard that all good science is held to.

>>130854633
meant to quote you here >>130855251

>>130845153
Show me the amount of nonwhites in London.

>>130855251
>no I don't. my position is that right now our future success relies on continued high levels of migration and I'm leaving open the possibility that one day that won't be a requirement for success like it is now

You *say* it is and just brushed off Japan with a handwave about them maybe having problems in the future if they don't follow suit (there is little evidence of this, being just as successful as we are).

>you said they should just have more babies to solve it. that demonstrates that you were ignorant of that not being a realistic solution.
Why is it not realistic? If our problem is we need more people, making babies is the basic way of doing that...

>>130855251
>my response is that declining to a sustainable level is a bad thing because right now capitalism is a requirement for success and that means you need to grow your economy. that means if japan tried to just be sustainable they would not be successful

They do not have mass immigration, we do. Despite this they are right up there with us for sucess. This destroys the core of your argument that it is vital to sucess in our modern world.

>>130855841
I'm not just brushing it off. the fertility crisis is something their own government is taking very seriously because all signs point to them headed for a disaster if some solution doesn't come along. and it's not like their government is very leftist and is only saying this to get some leftist migration policy in.

>Why is it not realistic? If our problem is we need more people, making babies is the basic way of doing that...
at least read the wiki page I posted for you. it answers that. the only real solution to this problem would be to take in migrants because that is a work around to the problem of increasing the fertility rate. you don't need to make babies more if you can just import more adults

>They do not have mass immigration, we do. Despite this they are right up there with us for sucess.
I never denied that. what I am denying is that their model is sustainable. you just brush off the fertility crisis as if its not a real threat to japan's sustainability

>>130857022
It is something they are looking at, yes. However that does not mean "Erase the border or we die", it means consider all their options.

>at least read the wiki page I posted for you. it answers that. the only real solution to this problem would be to take in migrants because that is a work around to the problem of increasing the fertility rate. you don't need to make babies more if you can just import more adults
Why exactly is it the *only* solution?

>I never denied that. what I am denying is that their model is sustainable. you just brush off the fertility crisis as if its not a real threat to japan's sustainability
Well ours clearly isn't either - by definition in fact. There simply is no such thing as unlimited growth on a limited planet. This is somethign we are all going to have to look at very seriously, very soon.

>>130845153
>2nd most popular name for baby in UK is muhammad
>we're not being taken over

lol

>>130845944

Still every year more people die in car accidents in Jerusalem than from rocket attacks. When are you giving back the Golan Heights?

>>130846314
"Refugees" not counting those immigrants that are born in the UK amongst many other things.

talk about retarded.

>>130845944
ignore butthurt goy responses. i kek'd.

>>130857538
>"Erase the border or we die"
and I never said it meant that either
>Why exactly is it the *only* solution?
because attempts have been tried to raise the fertility level in nations through various means (legislation, campaigns to raise awareness, etc) and none are effective because people don't give birth to combat social ills. there are specific reasons why birth trends change and if those variables don't change then birthrates won't change much.
>Well ours clearly isn't either - by definition in fact. There simply is no such thing as unlimited growth on a limited planet. This is somethign we are all going to have to look at very seriously, very soon.
you're being silly. of course anything isn't ever infinitely sustainable. after all the earth will be killed by the sun and the universe will suffer a heat death. but that isn't what people mean when they say that a societal system is sustainable so it's stupid to talk as if that is what's meant.

>>130847857
(((France)))

>>130845153
Ahh yes.
Refugees have zero children and not eight.

>>130845153
THATS A LOT OF REFUGEES
That's a lot of money to dole out to keep them fed and shit.

>>130858286
>and I never said it meant that either
OK, but you are riding pretty hard on the idea that it is the only solution.

>because attempts have been tried to raise the fertility level in nations through various means (legislation, campaigns to raise awareness, etc) and none are effective because people don't give birth to combat social ills. there are specific reasons why birth trends change and if those variables don't change then birthrates won't change much.
I see. That's rather worrying. However, importing people doesn't fix that, just delay it, as it happens to them too. Also not sustainable as it means you surrender your country in the process.

>you're being silly. of course anything isn't ever infinitely sustainable. after all the earth will be killed by the sun and the universe will suffer a heat death. but that isn't what people mean when they say that a societal system is sustainable so it's stupid to talk as if that is what's meant.
OK so you accept that our current globalist model has non sustainability built into it from the start. Far from the sun exploding, I would not be surprised to see it implode by the end of this century. Rather than bury our heads and hope we die before that happens, we should be thinking about a solution, or at least a next step, now.

>>130845153
Well jeez, I thought there were more of them based on the amount of terror attacks recently. Imagine how the attacks will increase once that number is higher.

>>130859699
>OK, but you are riding pretty hard on the idea that it is the only solution.
increasing migration levels has nothing to do with erasing the borders so I don't think I'm riding on that idea
>However, importing people doesn't fix that, just delay it, as it happens to them too.
you seem to be thinking that lower fertility rates happen to the migrants as well and that means that increasing migrant levels isn't a good solution. while I agree with you that the migrant fertility levels will drop I don't agree that this means its a bad solution. because as I said this is a workaround to the problem of needing to raise fertility levels. you don't need to have a lot more babies when you can import adults

>Also not sustainable as it means you surrender your country in the process.
I don't consider racial demographics changing a topic related to sustainability.

>OK so you accept that our current globalist model has non sustainability built into it from the start.
no, I accept that no societal system is ever infinitely sustainable. however being infinitely sustainable isn't what people mean when they say a system is sustainable. the current system (outside of japan and any other nation with fertility issues like them) is sustainable in the realistic sense. meaning they are the models that provide for the most stability given our current situation. of course as circumstances change the behavior nations will need to do to remain successful will change but that is always a factor at all times, it's not something people built into this current system.

>we should be thinking about a solution, or at least a next step, now.
I don't consider it something you can realistically think about because you have no idea of knowing what the circumstances will be in the future. people in the past couldn't have foreseen capitalism and I don't think people can foresee what comes next. Of course Marxists think they have it figured out but their arguments aren't convincing to me.

>>130860850
>increasing migration levels has nothing to do with erasing the borders so I don't think I'm riding on that idea
Pretty much by definition does - the free movement of labour and all that. You have said previously that my nation has no right to exist also.

>you seem to be thinking that lower fertility rates happen to the migrants as well and that means that increasing migrant levels isn't a good solution. while I agree with you that the migrant fertility levels will drop I don't agree that this means its a bad solution. because as I said this is a workaround to the problem of needing to raise fertility levels. you don't need to have a lot more babies when you can import adults
I think that it's a short sighted "solution" that fixes nothing fundamental and brings with it a whole host of problems itself.

>I don't consider racial demographics changing a topic related to sustainability.
I do. I would like my country to continue to exist as something other than a province of the caliphate. Something you seem to be taking for granted is that those you import agree with you and your values. They don't, and should they gain control of the country (which they will, following current trends) would not steer it as you or I would like.

>no, I accept that no societal system is ever infinitely sustainable. [clip]

OK, outside of the basic resource sense of sustainable I have also highlighted how it is unsutainable in other ways (namely our continued existence). You have dismissed these as something that don't interest you. You shouldn't, as they won't ignore you.

>I don't consider it something you can realistically think about because you have no idea of knowing what the circumstances will be in the future. people in the past couldn't have foreseen capitalism and I don't think people can foresee what comes next. Of course Marxists think they have it figured out but their arguments aren't convincing to me.
I don't accept that as a reason not to try.

>>130845153
Number of people in UK born abroad: 8,300,000
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-population-country-birth

Counting just official "refugees" is disingenuous. The reality is that the UK is being taken over.

>>130847729
I like the expression "Muslim settlers" used in that story. Better than "refugees," but I wonder if "colonists" might not be the term we need to use in the future.

>>130862604
>Pretty much by definition does - the free movement of labour and all that. You have said previously that my nation has no right to exist also.
I'm not advocating free movement of labor wtf are you on about.
>I think that it's a short sighted "solution" that fixes nothing fundamental and brings with it a whole host of problems itself.
it fixes nothing fundamental because there is no solution that fixed the fundamental problem. however, bringing in migrants prevents that problem from causing problems and what problems it does bring do not outweigh the problems it alleviates.
>I do. I would like my country to continue to exist as something other than a province of the caliphate.
You're being retarded again. I never said accepting muslim migrants is the only solution. discriminate on what migrants you want to join your country if you want. all I'm saying is that the migration levels need to be high and you can't just stop migration

>Something you seem to be taking for granted is that those you import agree with you and your values. They don't, and should they gain control of the country (which they will, following current trends) would not steer it as you or I would like.
No I'm not taking that for granted. You seem to be assuming that for all this time I just meant muslim migrants. I have nothing against trying to make your migrants assimilate to your country as effectively as you can. You seem to think that assimilation is impossible with any type of migrant but that is not the case.
>OK, outside of the basic res....
I'm not sure what you're talking about here. "namely our continued existence". oh wait you're going back to racial changes as if that matters. I'm not saying they don't interest me I'm just saying that isn't related to the sustainability of a successful nation.
>I don't accept that as a reason not to try.
never said you can't try, just said you won't succeed

>>130863929
>I'm not advocating free movement of labor wtf are you on about.
That's what mass immigration is m80.

>it fixes nothing fundamental because there is no solution that fixed the fundamental problem. however, bringing in migrants prevents that problem from causing problems and what problems it does bring do not outweigh the problems it alleviates.
You are aware that Europe is slowly but surely becoming a warzone because of it right?

>No I'm not taking that for granted. You seem to be assuming that for all this time I just meant muslim migrants. I have nothing against trying to make your migrants assimilate to your country as effectively as you can. You seem to think that assimilation is impossible with any type of migrant but that is not the case.
It applies to the rest too. I focused on muslims because that's the hot topic right now. You could look at what the Chinese are doing to Canada, or Mexicans to the USA for a different example. Integration is technically possible, but the more different from you the migrants are and the larger the numbers they come, in the harder that becomes. At current rates, it's impossible.

>I'm not sure what you're talking about here. "namely our continued existence". oh wait you're going back to racial changes as if that matters. I'm not saying they don't interest me I'm just saying that isn't related to the sustainability of a successful nation.
Very much is. Haiti was once fairly sucessful. They then killed off all the white people. Now it's a hellhole where they eat mud.

>never said you can't try, just said you won't succeed
We shall see.

>>130845944
Typical r selected mentality. Like rabbits.
Checks flag, oh should have known..

>>130864955
Mass immigration is not the free movement of lbor when only 13% of the immigrants actually labor.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-survey-idUSKBN13A22F
Europe's immigration now is the importation of poverty, nothing more.

>>130863718
Invaders.

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>>130845153
>Straw man argument.
I don't know if liberals are stupid or just purposefully misleading pieces of shit.

>>130845153
>implying refugees are the problem
>implying the problem isn't mass, legal immigration from muslim countries as economic migration

>>130864955
>That's what mass immigration is m80.
free movement of labor is when works can move between countries as they wish and take on jobs in any country they want. mass immigration is having a high limit on the amount of migrants you are willing to accept into a country and all migrants need to be vetted by the country and meet certain standards that he country sets.
>You are aware that Europe is slowly but surely becoming a warzone because of it right?
again you're thinking that free movement of people is synonymous with higher levels of migration. The USA has high levels of migration and does not have free movement of people. Europe has both.
>It applies to the rest too. I focused on muslims because that's the hot topic right now. You could look at what the Chinese are doing to Canada, or Mexicans to the USA for a different example.
USA's migrant problems are limited to what illegal migration does so that doesn't prove that our high levels of legal migration is a bad thing. and lmao what are you saying about the chinese in canada
>Very much is. Haiti was once fairly sucessful. They then killed off all the white people. Now it's a hellhole where they eat mud.
lmao what are you talking about. provide a source for what you're saying

>>130866374
>free movement of labor is when works
workers*

>A law enforcement officer who watched the stabbing and subdued the attacker said that the man — later identified by officials as Amor M. Ftouhi — yelled “Allahu akbar” before stabbing the officer, an FBI special agent said in the affidavit.

>Ftouhi then yelled “Allah” several times after stabbing the police officer, the agent said, before saying something about killings in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. When Ftouhi was subdued by the law enforcement officer, he “asked the officer why he did not kill him,” the FBI agent stated.

>Officials said Ftouhi is a 50-year-old Canadian who had entered the United States on June 16 in New York, then made his way to Flint.

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>>130845153
OF course you hide your flag KRAUT

>>130845757
answer this if you are actually interested in defending your beliefs op

>>130866702
this was a bait thread dumbass. op hasn't posted in the thread at all

>>130866374
>free movement of labor is when works can move between countries as they wish and take on jobs in any country they want. mass immigration is having a high limit on the amount of migrants you are willing to accept into a country and all migrants need to be vetted by the country and meet certain standards that he country sets
Has not worked like that in practice. Not surprising, given the sheer volume.

>again you're thinking that free movement of people is synonymous with higher levels of migration. The USA has high levels of migration and does not have free movement of people. Europe has both.
I am not. The ones triggering the war aren't coming in via the EU (yet).

>USA's migrant problems are limited to what illegal migration does so that doesn't prove that our high levels of legal migration is a bad thing. and lmao what are you saying about the chinese in canada
Illegal immigration has been specifically ignored in your country because "muh economy". It is free movement of labour in all but name. Also, many of the legal ones are causing their own problems (such as wanting parts of the US to rejoin mexico). I'm not personally familiar with that though, not being American, so you can ask those that are. Same for Canada with the Chinese.

>lmao what are you talking about. provide a source for what you're saying
The haitans killing all the white people? Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre

>>130867687
>Has not worked like that in practice. Not surprising, given the sheer volume.
what hasn't worked like what? you're being vague
>I am not. The ones triggering the war aren't coming in via the EU (yet).
what? you aren't making sense at all. how does apply to what I said
>Illegal immigration has been specifically ignored in your country because "muh economy". It is free movement of labour in all but name.
wtf, ignored? does the name trump not ring any bells to you?
>Also, many of the legal ones are causing their own problems (such as wanting parts of the US to rejoin mexico)
lmao that's like 4 people in california
>The haitans killing all the white people? Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre
>1804
LMAO. there were barely any whites there in the first place. you're trying to make it seem like that situation has anything to do with a dominant race being taken over by a minority due to migration.

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>>130845871
>>130846382
>>130848554

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>>130866545
Don't you dare pin this on us, Sweden.

You're the root of all that is 'progressive'.
Your (failing) example has made this bullshit socially and politically acceptable.

Go away and die out, you waste of good land and ressources.

>>130868257
>what hasn't worked like what? you're being vague
Mass immigration.
>what? you aren't making sense at all. how does apply to what I said
Freedom of movement in my country applies specifically to the EU. Everything else is "normal" immigration.
>wtf, ignored? does the name trump not ring any bells to you?
I've yet to see him do anything about it, and before him it was the policy of the government.
>lmao that's like 4 people in california
I doubt it. But again, ask those that know personally.
>LMAO. there were barely any whites there in the first place. you're trying to make it seem like that situation has anything to do with a dominant race being taken over by a minority due to migration.
Not so. It was originally a French colony.

>>130851294
But this is wrong. We're getting shit on by the (((OAS))) for not accepting enough Hatians and for not legalizing the anchor babies born here (they get no benefits).

>>130869003
>Mass immigration.
so tell me how it hasn't worked well
>Freedom of movement in my country applies specifically to the EU. Everything else is "normal" immigration.
so what point are you making when you say "the ones triggering the war aren't coming in via the EU"
>I've yet to see him do anything about it, and before him it was the policy of the government.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/04/11/president-trumps-claim-that-illegal-immigration-is-down-64-percent-because-of-his-administration/
>I doubt it. But again, ask those that know personally.
it's literally a non issue. there isn't a movement of people wanting to make parts of america mexico again.
>Not so. It was originally a French colony.
being a french colony doesn't mean it was majority white. show some numbers. the link you provided said only some thousands were killed. are you arguing that they were the majority?

>>130869658
Archive please
https://archive.is/Stsbx

>>130869658
Trust me Haiti had a sizeable white minority that was genocided, and then they took over our side and expelled the whites here. Hatians are savages.

The other a Hatian asked a local girl out and she rejected him so he cut off her arms with a machete. That shithole of a country needs to get nuked.

>>130870085
>Trust me
no

>>130869294
This is me ignore flag

>>130845153

1941.06.22, Soviet citizen:

>"Herp a derp, we're being overrun!"

>USSR population: ~160 million

>Wehrmacht population: ~15 million

>"HURR WE'RE NOT"

>>130869658
>so tell me how it hasn't worked well
The ones starting the war came in via that route.
>so what point are you making when you say "the ones triggering the war aren't coming in via the EU"
see previous.
>being a french colony doesn't mean it was majority white. show some numbers. the link you provided said only some thousands were killed. are you arguing that they were the majority?
https://chnm.gmu.edu/revolution/d/500/

>>130870271
Listindiario.com/la-republica/2017/05/22/466989/esta-grave-la-adolescente-agredida-por-un-haitiana

Story I mentioned. Read up on the Hatian occupation of the DR they even burned an entire town.

>>130845944
But the Muslims are causing the car accidents

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>>130853911
>rome fell for a variety of reasons. you're being dishonest to say it was only caused by racial changes especially when racial changes weren't even well documented

Pretty sure the Gauls and other barbarian tribes they once ruled over sacking their capital city and running amok in their territory played a pretty big part in the western Roman empires demise. now that I think about Byzantium got ethnically replaced by the Turks as well. Also way to completely ignore my economic argument as well

>>130870550
you aren't being clear about whatever war you're talking about at all. are you saying mass immigration was the problem or are you saying free movement of labor was the problem? what war are you talking about?

also your link doesn't say that the majority of people in there were whites. it says 6% of all the population were free whites 5% of all the population were free blacks and 89% percent of the population were slaves (which were most likely majority black)

>>130870612
read what I said above and look at the link he posted

>>130845153
Just end this fucking meme already. We don't need immigrants or refugee, we'll just have more children.

>>130871210
>the roman empire collapsed for this one specific reason that happens to confirm everything about my own political beliefs wow what do you know :^)

>>130871355
So a massacre of 5% of the population based on race isn't a genocide? The Jews were a much smaller percentage of Nazi controlled land.

>>130871355
>you aren't being clear about whatever war you're talking about at all. are you saying mass immigration was the problem or are you saying free movement of labor was the problem? what war are you talking about?

I'm saying immigration at the rates it is currently at, from all sources is a big problem. As for what war, have you not been following the news?

>also your link doesn't say that the majority of people in there were whites. it says 6% of all the population were free whites 5% of all the population were free blacks and 89% percent of the population were slaves (which were most likely majority black)
It gives numbers. 32,000 free whites, the majority of non-slaves. i.e the ones in charge. The slaves were non natives too, brought in to work on plantations. They brought in so many (outnumbering them 10 to 1) that they could not stop them from revolting and massacring them all.

>>130845153
Wikipedia: UK, Demographics, Religions

>The Muslim population has increased from 1.6 million in 2001 to 2.7 million in 2011, making it the second-largest religious group in the United Kingdom.

Looks like somebody is establishing a "beachhead" in the UK.

>>130872007
It wasn't even a death of all 5% of white people. The wiki link to the massacre posted above says 3k to 5k people were killed in 1804 and the other link says that back in 1790 there were 32k free whites. so most whites weren't even killed there if the numbers of 1790 are representative of 1804 numbers. and I never said it wasn't a genocide, it most certainty was
>I'm saying immigration at the rates it is currently at, from all sources is a big problem.
you aren't being specific about what the problem is
>As for what war, have you not been following the news?
you aren't being specific about what the war is
>It gives numbers. 32,000 free whites, the majority of non-slaves. i.e the ones in charge. The slaves were non natives too, brought in to work on plantations. They brought in so many (outnumbering them 10 to 1) that they could not stop them from revolting and massacring them all.
in other words whites were never the majority and it was just a standard slave revolt. this has nothing to do with the topic of migration being a problem that has everything to do with slavery being a problem. migrants don't built up hatred against the people in power like how slaves do. seriously why did you even bring up this example

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For the Children's safety should be a rallying cry!

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REFUGEES ARE NOT WELCOME

END OF STORY

>>130845153
>Implying that refugees are actually the main problem.
I'm pretty sure the millions of Pakis the Britbong government imported are more of a concern.

>>130872393
meant to quote you here >>130873047

>>130846314

London is less than 50% English. But i wouldn't expect a burger to know what a white country looks like.

>>130848181

Cool, so you're all for colonialism and genicide then.

You must have been shattered when whites had to pack up and leg it from Africa.

>>130875099
you are hallucinating

>>130875297

You said there should be no ethnic ties to land. So why cant whites or asians move en mass to Africa?

>>130845944
Let's break this down. How can you stop ALL death by cars? Ban cars! Reasonable? Now how can you stop ALL terroits attacks?BAN MUSLIMS!

>>130875755
>So why cant whites or asians move en mass to Africa?
I never stated any objection to that

>>130846239
underrated

>>130847164
FUCK LBJ

>>130845944
More people die from car accidents then there are rapes so we shouldn't worry about rapes desu

>>130848554

>https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/parentscountryofbirthenglandandwales/2015

9%-10% of UK Births came from someone born in Pakistan, India, Nigeria, Somalia or Bangladesh. These numbers don't even include those that are born to 2nd generation women from those countries.

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>>130845153
The refugees are such an endangered and oppressed minority - they need to be sent home for their own safety.

>>130850739
Tell that to their parents

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>>130845153
UK is one of the most overpopulated countries.
Not here as I live in the countryside and have a comfy home.

>>130845153
>I was unaware that 100% of our imigration was refugees.

1 in 6 of all EU babies are born in the UK.
More than 1 in 4 babies born in the UK have foreign mothers.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/652882/Uk-baby-boom-crisis-one-in-six-european-babies-born-here