Dark times are coming

>>130826603
Why should Germany just give away the baltic states to Russia?

>>130826603
Fuck you the Baltics are free.

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>>130826603
>The upper echelons in Trump's administration have chosen to sacrifice Western Europe to Islam
No, we're just focusing our efforts on improving America. That's called nationalism you dumb fuck; you Euro countries used to be good at it, but now you're seeing what happens when you abandon your own country.
We're not "sacrificing" you, we're just pulling out and making sure the same thing doesn't happen to us.

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>>130826603
what should i do ? is september the starting date for collapse ?

>>130826603
anyone who ends a post with "screencap this" is a liar, a charleton, a faggot, and frankly ruins my day!

t. le 56 %...

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From a Western European perspective, it's clear that multiculturalism is collapsing under the weight of its contradictions.

Those native whites who haven't swallowed the kool aid are pissed off but have nowhere to turn politically. None of the establishment parties show any political will to deal with the issues that threaten our future.

We're headed toward something dark and unavoidable - a war or a revolution. Best get comfy...

>>130826603
>The European Union is crumbling, and its dissolution is inevitable by now.
>France realising republicanism a shit
Good times

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>>130828833
Checked, praised

>>130826603
The U.K. has a better chance of a civil war than a France, come on.

You are right about the union collapsing. These things don't work out when you have a bunch of countries with different interests and history trying to form one country. I honestly think it was too reactionary to the problems of WW2. We were too focused on "never again" that Europe went a little farther than it could. Now that the fears of the Cold War are over, the countries have been able to collect themselves and their cultures back in many circumstances. They've realized they don't like it, and too much goes against their own countries' interests as individuals.

>>130827344
Because Germany has absolutely no use of them. Three irrelevant markets and some quality timber, that's pretty much it.
Russia, meanwhile, does. Control of the Baltic coast was always considered to be a strategic priority in the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, and the Russian Federation of today. Not to mention the fact that Latvia and Estonia has a ridiculously large Russian population.

Also, on the topic of Russia.
Expect a renewal of military action in Ukraine soon. I believe there may be an effort to reconquer some of the occupied territories with some indirect support from the US, and success is more than likely. However, do not think for a moment that this is somehow a loss for Putin. On the contrary, giving these generally irrelevant territories back peacefully will clear his bad rep, as if proving that the official reason for Russian intervention was true, and that Putin is happy to see Ukrainians wrestling the control back from the supposed "illegitimate fascists", which he tried to curtail by force. Naturally, this will also strengthen his control of Crimea.

>>130827518
The Baltics were never free. They were never in a position to be free in the first place.

>>130827808
Indeed, you could consider September to be the beginning of what I described in the OP.
As to what should you do, I believe there a two things. First, look around for nationalistic movements active in Lithuania. Avoid neo-nazis and mainstream conservatives, look for traditionalist intellectuals, philosophers, economists, uncorrupted members of the academia. Every country has groups like that, and I doubt Lithuania is an exception. Second, speaking more generally, I believe Lithuania should push its government towards closer relationship with Poland, although Poland has its own share of problems. The ultimate goal is to join the Visegrád Group. This will ensure support of the US, and impair Germany's ability to influence your country.

>>130826603
all of what you said is obvious you fucking larping queer
>AHURRNEMURRR LET ME BESTOW THIS KNOWLEDGE UPON YE
sage

>>130829438
i like this, thanks frank

>>130829438
after global economic collapse and annexation of east europe ,how scandinavia will look in that period?is norway a safe bet ?

>>130829438

so how does the U.S. play in all this.

Backstabbing americunts. Germany trusted you after WWII and you flood them with muzzies and kill them thanks to your wars in the middle east and following the orders of the kikes in Israel
Good job you massive tools

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>>130826603
>Dank times are coming
ftfy

>>130830691
get mad retard. this entire clusterfuck was planned decades in advance with the full knowledge and approval of european elites.

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>>130830242
Scandinavia remains a mystery to me for the most part. Despite socialist governments, the nationalistic sentiment is very much alive in the lowest levels of the public sector. It is hard to say if this pent-up sentiment will explode any time soon, although it is sure to get a lot more likely post-Collapse. Add to that that most of the money in Scandinavia is generated by Scandinavian banks, which are, technically speaking, merely branches of the German banking sector. If Germany opts for a more isolationist economic policies, I expect Scandinavia to follow suit. They sure have enough saving to survive a few harsh economic cycles. Beyond that, it's hard to anticipate anything specific.

>>130830281
Like I said previously, the US is interested in maintaining influence in politically stable European countries, namely the Visegrád Group. Russia taking on Germany is impossible, and with both Crimea and the Baltics under its sphere of influence, The Bear will remain subdue long for the nearest foreseeable future, as it sure as hell won't be sticking its dick into the Muslim-infested chaotic Western Europe. Trump's US is also interested in improving relations with Russia, so I don't expect any serious frictions on the European front, despite strong anti-Russian sentiments of the Visegrád Group.
The US is shifting the major part of its foreign policy towards China, and has been doing for the last few decades - both politically and militarily, mind you. Trump's rhetoric had plenty references to that as of late. It's a new page of history being turned, one with promise of little US action of note in Europe, but plenty of chaos among Europeans themselves.

>>130832089
Trumps been softening up on China.

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>>130832372
This looks like softening up to you?

>>130826603

Europe will experience a number of civil conflicts and wars very similar to what Syria is going through right now. In any given country, especially in France, there will be a multitude of factions fighting and slicing out territory for themselves. Paris and its surrounding areas will be held heavily by communists and migrants, for example. In fact, in most of that general region of Europe, there will likely be several non-white republics. Europe will get a lot whiter, due to the rootless non-europeans leaving the continent. Eastern Europe will probably completely shut off their borders, and the population will collapse (but I suspect fertility will eventually rise)

>>130826603
What about Austria? we have strong right wing tendencies

>>130829438
>Baltics were never free
And why's that?

>>130826603
And what makes you verifiable for our trust?

>>130832689
He's thanking China and saying he'll take matters into his own hands. China doesn't really care about NK anymore, they just want them as a buffer because SK is basically a US military base. He softened on China being a currency manipulator.

>>130832089>>130832751
where will the western eauropeans whites will go ?poland/hungary or usa?
also when will Trump ease up immigration system for eastern european whites?dates?

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the only major crisis coming our way is the crisis of late capitalism and climate change.

Odds are most developed western states start turning more radically left, possibly a WTO'99 protest pt 2. US will continue to be the US, more protests but no civil war. I don't expect all out civil wars anywhere in the west at all, just an increased version of the culture war that's been going on since the '70s + occasional clashes.

EU won't dissolve entirely, but EU nation-states will rise again; France, Germany, Greece, and Britain likely going the most left.

If any big modern states are going to splinter apart in the coming years, they're Russia and China.

>>130833138

Probably first to Eastern Europe, and primarily Poland, but will they accept them? I sure wouldn't. Western Europeans started this mess. So if Poland rejects the inevitable MILLIONS of people leaving, they'll set their eyes to Canada, America, Australia, and to a lesser extent South America. These are just my guesses though. I would expect a big wave of European immigration to the US, because of its 'new world' reputation.

>>130832976
Baltics are basically a forward military offensive position and leverage against Russia.

They had their chance at independence prior to joining NATO.

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>>130833249
and if you haven't seen this yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw8LPn4irao
You really should

>>130833249
>>130833555
This is all just about the complete opposite of what will actually happen.

>>130826603
God damn it. Why we are always in centre of everything?
P.S kind of coincidence, on tv they say that economy is increasing here, labour unions even demands to increase minimum wage to 500 euro. So yeah, you got my attention OP.

>>130832089
I disagree with you on Russia.
What America wants is world hegemony and world where is no competing global power. Nowadays there are two such competing world powers and one regional power and laughting stock power. Russia (by military and nuclear weapons) and China (economy).

Number 1 threat: Russia, because it's unpredictable and armed to teeth. Best choice of dealing with it? Good old containment policy - now using Visgrad/ Polish-led 3SeasInitiative. I expect deals like american support to build energy infrastructure so Central Europe will buy american gas and oil cheaper, so using saved money they will buy american weapons. Cheap and safe, so american army can concentrate elsewhere.

Number two: China - Here USA will concentrate it's army to control China moves on the South-China sea, also Korea/Japan/Taiwan buying more weapons. Also encouragement for american corps to move manufacturing from China.

Number three: Germoney.
Germany tries using refugee crisis for forming Europe of two-speeds and form germany-led true united states of Europe. Remember that Central Europe is worth shit in GNP. That explains moves like EU army. Germany wants to be independant world power. If it achieves it then they will become friendly with Russia and Visegrad would be in deep shit. However they played their hand wrong. Overestimated their ability to deal with refugees and national sentiments - they boiled frog to fast and America moves in with Visegrad.

Number four: The laughing stock power - namely terrorist islam (ISIS and stuff). They are nothing to worry about. Truly if western powers want to remove them they would done it already. Terrorism is useful to justify taking liberties from people.

>>130833249

>an increased version of the culture war

Increased population density, resource scarcity in tiny lands, low trust between citizens of different races, climate change, increased nationalism, increased left-wing extremism, more calls for censorship, gun ownership rising, and demographics trends never before seen in European history, and to top it off the desperation of the EU trying to hold all this together. This is leading up more than just a ''culture war"

>>130833249

Also when I say 'increased nationalism' I mean nationalism among Kurds, Arabs, Turks, etc inside of Europe right now.

>>130832089
>>130832089
>Russian bear will be subdue

>Let's give Hitler Saarland that will subdue him
>Let's give Hitler Sudetenland that will subdue him
>Let's give Hitler Czechoslovakie that will subdue him

Stop being naive. If you give Russia full control of the Baltics and partial control of Ukraine then they'll have more dick to serve on Finland, Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia and other slavic countries. Russia was and if given the chance will try to expand back to the height of USSR and Russian Empire. They already have the Eurasian Economic Union with the other -stan countries in central Asia. They want to dominate other countries as Germany and France softly dominate the EU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Economic_Union

>>130832829
>actually taking LARPers seriously
he called the V4 politically stable

>>130826603
>the Baltic states will become a ribbon-wrapped gift basket to be presented to Russia. Politically and militarily, pro-Russian actors will take control of the three Baltic states (these dealing are already taking place, by the way).

Proofs, now faggit. I have no problem dying to protect Eesti from Russia.

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>>130826603

It'll be interesting to watch the games play out.

When bullets pass by, the sound is perpendicular to the origin. Run towards the crack (not bang), and you'll run latteral of the shooter.

>>130834800

>LARPers

Wars have been started over way less than what's happening in Europe. You're really ignoring history and human nature. The V4 is more stable than the EU, apparently.

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>>130833717
Don't underestimate the rising discontent of the demos, anon.
People are losing faith in their countries while content with local communities is actually increasing. If you look at the localist movements in the major cities-- New York, Portland, Seattle, Berlin, Paris, Austin, London, etc. It's signaling that a significant part of the population are becoming distrustful of private ownership and capitalist waste; people actually want to share things and connect more with their neighbors.
This with the rising distrust and frustration with world power systems, seems to imply that, in fact, a big shift may be coming.

Both sides-- the nationalists and the lefties, are against the current Global Capital system. It's clearly crumbling, but Alter-Globalization might be making a big comeback.

>>130834158
I think a lot of those can be linked back to discontent with the global capitalist system.

Although Macron won in France and Merkel will win in Germany, the "right wing nationalists" and "left extremists" have a lot more in common than /pol/ or the media likes to admit. IMO, most "right wing nationalists" are really just unawakened lefties who think the core issue is culture and race, rather than the system itself.

It's only a matter of time before a leftist a la Melechon, Corbyn, is able to unite both factions.

>>130829407
French military or intelligence agency has done a study how to quell a 'youth' revolution led by Frenchman Muhammad Abdul. They just cut off the cities and put up several machine gun positions at all the cities entrances.

>>130835089

No, they don't. I know you're a leftist, but I'll bite. The modern left-wing is fundamentally hostile to everything nationalist and white. The left doesn't give a shit about capitalism or whatever. They care about making Europe less white, period. That's it. These people are getting more volatile, is all, because their project isn't going quite as planned.

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>>130826603
Germany will also retake Danzig, Pomerania and Silesia. Russia will gladly accept this.

>>130832751
what other countries u seeing going into civilwars and splitting?
>>130834063
we baltics are trully fucking doomed, a piss in a wind, litteraly cant change nothing, but u still have a hope , i really start to believe that poland should go for central europe/slavic union to balance power and challenge russia and germany ,also start making babies .
>>130834672
true , putin always fellates himself over reminding how great soviet union 2.0 would be .

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>>130835210
>has done a study how to quell a 'youth' revolution
So there are plans.

>>130829366
Checked u 2

>>130835089
Yeah, but the people aren't going to swing hard left. They're losing faith in the hard-left establishments that are fucking them over.

So I really don't understand how you can predict everyone's governments moving further to the left and that nationalists can't focus on anything but race/culture. If anything, it's the hard-left who thinks the core issue is culture and race while the nationalists correctly recognize all the problems stem from the system itself.

You've only reaffirmed that you are living in clouds of delusion.

>>130835210
And how the hell did you find this "study" results?

>>130835089

>discontent with the global capitalist system.

Capitalism presumes a free market. We have no free market. We have Central Banks.

>>130832089

There is no strong anti-Russian sentiment in Visegrad, except maybe in Poland. But even that is more of a historical rivalry rather than true animosity.
The people of Visegrad would overwhelmingly prefer allying with Russia over the European Union.

>>130836195
Usury needs to be completely abolished. It's the keystone of the economic system of enslavement.

>>130835613
Don't worry Lithuanian bro. We used to be in deeper shit for the last 400 years.
Even your parliament tries to improve relations with us. There are two bills on using orginal spelling of names in passports - what makes your local Poles most butthurt. They made big mistake by this national policy - now you have russian-washed poles allied with russians in lithuania. What you need is normal laws on minorities like the ones in Poland (we even have 2 german seats in Sejm) - this will put out polish/russian minorities separatist moves. Also what you need is polish/russian language media to innoculate them for kremlin propaganda.

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>>130835468
It's true, I'm a leftist, but hear me out.
The lefties you're talking about shouldn't even really be considered leftists-- they're angry identity politics liberals who, you're right, don't especially give a shit about capitalism and really just want it with a friendly face.

However, let's not delude ourselves and think that all leftists are SJWs, just as we shouldn't delude ourselves that all nationalists or conservatives are white supremacists or Nazis. If Corbyn, Melechon, or Bernie (and Bernie, IMO, pandered too much to the idpols and didn't venture far enough to his socialist roots because he was afraid of America's leftist-phobia) are any indications, and I think they are, more and more people are starting to realize that the way we've been living for the past 40-50 years is fundamentally unsustainable, and is causing the vast majority of the problems we're currently facing.

I think what /pol/lacks and SJWs get wrong, is that they believe the primary problem is cultural or moral: "Well if we be nicer to immigrants/Well if we get rid of the immigrants/etc, it'll all work out", when, fundamentally, the current system inevitably leads to these problems.

>>130826603
Let's get rid of the kikes and lobbyists in the EU, make an EU army and go fight the Turks you niggers, why are you so mopey.

Have an ethnic cleansing in your countries, that'll bring up your spirit, some good old racism to unite the people.

>>130835613

The North Western ones. The UK has serious potential now. Germany, Sweden, and France mostly. All are powerful and strong, but you can only hold a million pounds of pressure for so long until you collapse and it crushes you.

>>130836301
A Visegrad group is also something Russia's been in favor for - they WANT a regional power between them and NATO.

>>130828833

At this point, I just don't believe they exist anymore.

>>130836301
I assure there is. Memories of WW2 are still strong in polish families - Kresy, Katyń, 50 years of communism, people sent to Siberia. This all is still real and strong.
Just you know, there is one openly pro-russian party - Zmiana. Their leader was arrested as russian agent, and they have less than 1 % popularity.

>>130826603
If the EU dissolves then the future is bright and diverse with many nationalities working together and building stronger nations.

>>130828219
60% and 1)higher birth rates than you 2)suburbs 3)rural. Criteria for voting, and can't have my house raided for saying SAND NIGGER!!!

>>130834800
As far as I know, we are not part of V4. We are still cuckold-tier.

>>130836048
Your delusion is thinking that there are any hard-left establishments in the modern western world.

I can't predict everything, it's true. But I do think people are slowly becoming aware that their lifestyles are unsustainable. And even on hyper-liberal campuses, you're starting to see leftist pushback on idpols, which is super encouraging. I think the reactionary period is starting to close in.

>>130836392
You're right, but the cause of these problems is government intervention into the economy, central banks, welfare state, high taxation, heavy regulation, globalism, loss of sovereignty and freedom. Creeping marxism is the problem.

>>130836498
You're supposed to be Democracies for God's sake, the ancient Athenians would take out a map decide on a city and go conquer it and take slaves.

Convince enough of your people and let's go do some old fashioned stuff.
You're always going on and on about living in a simpler time, we'll there's nothing simpler than a war to unite you.

>>130836392
Most right-wingers i know don't want leftist economic policies. They want to be left alone by government. Low taxes and low regulations. Most are independant and libertarian i would say.

>>130836195
This is really no different than saying that Communism has never been tried.

>>130836138
Honeslty I didn't find the results of the study yet but while searching I've found this.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8489/france-the-coming-civil-war
>"We are on the verge of a civil war." That quote did not come from a fanatic or a lunatic. No, it came from head of France's homeland security, the DGSI (Direction générale de la sécurité intérieure), Patrick Calvar.

Also this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q34JVK2JEW0

I'll continue to search for the study. Probably it's not published but there's an article about it and maybe it has the study results.

>>130836781
Visegrad group can extend to cover central europe, balkans, and even the baltics.

Although I think if scandinavia wakes up, the baltics will probably go to them instead.

Western europe - Spain, France, Germany, Italy, and UK - are just fucked. That's where everything goes dystopian hell hole complete with terrorist attacks by invading muslims and rule of law breaks down. At this point it's a process of containment for the groups surrounding western europe.

It's going to be another reconquista situation in 500 years.

Perhaps the only good thing is that millions of white europeans are going to flood into canada, america, australia, new zealand, etc.

>>130826603
Baltics will never yield to the west or east. You have both bullied us and we have learned from our mistakes.

>>130834063
You are right. To an extent. The US is just the most successful model out there for a world power. Plenty of other good ideas on paper, but few worked

On the foreign powers, Russia and the US have danced this dance many times over. I do not think either side actually wants another cold war, nor does Russia have any illusions of gaining Parity with the US. On the flipside, the US and russia have moved away from the Red Ocean model and migrated towards something of a Purple Ocean. No one wants to fucking deal with the shit heap that has become Africa and major parts of Europe. Russia however has the culture that allows for it. The two powers can snarl at each other all they want over the dinner table, but in reality there is footsie going on underneath the table cloth.

China is the unknown at the moment, but they seem to be quick learners. This post could go on for a while in much greater detail, but I think it covers the gist of it.

>>130836953
Thing is,most european Nationalist parties adopt left-wing economic policies.

>>130836392

Well, it WAS nicer when the immigrants weren't here. I don't like global capitalism, liberalism, etc at all. That said, the fact is European countries were still nice places to live when they were homogenous, hence why they have so many immigrants now. But Europeans just have a right to have their homelands and to exist without having to worry about demographic trends. Sure, not all migrants are awful, but at best they mostly choose to ignore the awful ones and at worst become them, which is reason enough to be hostile to migration in general. The fact is your dreams will not come true, and I shouldn't have to sacrifice myself, my children, my country, or other European people to that hopeless cause, especially when the invaders are slaughtering us left and right. As more and more Europeans realize this, the chances of your dream coming true further erodes. That's the truth.

>>130826603
>Be on the lookout for his upcoming visit to Poland, as Trump will surely address this topic
I'm gonna be in Warsaw on July 6, I'll report and post pics here

It's gonna be ebin, hopefully the weather will be good

>>130837447
That's the only way to buy votes when you are compared to nazi even if you aren't - go populist - happens in Poland too.

>>130836918
I don't buy the fundamentalism, I'm sorry. You yourself are playing the Communist game of "We weren't faithful enough to the system, we're letting in too many foreign (in this case, Marxist) notions of thinking."
Instead of blaming the system itself. Gov. intervention is inevitable because capitalism is inherently unsustainable-- it necessarily promotes globalism and interventionism.

It's time that we grow up and realize this.

>>130836953
I can't say I know Poland very well, but most conservatives in America are only superficially against leftist economic policies.

This is a faulty and embarrassing example, but it nevertheless signals something important are those countless videos of people explaining socialist policies to conservatives, and that they all agree until the end where the presenter tells them that it's socialism. Most people are conservative in the US because of the capitalist culture around them.

B4: "Socialism doesn't work!" I agree. I'm not going to pretend to know what the true answer is, but I think only the left will be able to even begin to answer our problems.

>>130837447
Left wing economic policies involve graft and corruption, throwing money at feel-good initiatives and charities (more corruption), and in general just burning money on pointless shit that helps no one but sure makes the virtuous believers feel good inside.

I think it's utterly laughable that you think people here have left-wing economic policies. They don't have right wing economic policies either - but that doesn't mean if they aren't right, they must be left.

This kind of delusional projection is what I'm seeing from the lefties in this thread. ("Oh you're really on my side with all this stuff, you just don't know it!")

Piss off

>>130826603
What about the Balkans?
Especially Bulgaria, Greece and Croatia?

>>130838024

Greece is practically a third-world country already. A hub of classic political corruption. They'll just have political violence. Bulgaria will wall itself off, probably. Croatia, same thing. They'll basically ask to be left alone by any parties involved.

>>130837418
>Visegrad group can extend to cover central europe, balkans, and even the baltics.
yes, the balkans

very good idea. this will make them even more stable.

>croatia
>slovenia
>serbia
>slovakia
https://www.welt.de/newsticker/dpa_nt/infoline_nt/thema_nt/article146583333/Ungarn-entwaffnet-kroatische-Polizisten.html
>Hungary disarms Croatian policemen

>>130837902
I never spoke about people on /Pol/. I spoke about european parties. Whats so hard to understand.

>>130838356
That was a incident staged by social democrat (anti-social Stalinist) regime.

>>130837786
Don't try to spin this like I'm the marxist. We abandoned the systems that built the greatest civilizations on earth. We let in millions of foreigners who don't respect our values and are either passively degrading them or actively attacking them.

>It's time that we grow up and realize this.
You're projecting.

>>130837434
I have no receipt for China too :)
They economic growth is "slowing". It used to be +10 % now it's predicted around 6 %. I suspect in 5 years and more years it will be even less.

What all people here miss that we can't predict what will happen further than 3-5 years. There is alot of black swan events in line concerning technological progress:
- solar power now is competetive with coal in some countries - it was predicted to happen around 2020 not now. Soon solar might be the cheapest for everyone maybe except Iceland.
- Cars are going electric and batter cells become better - connect this with cheap solar power and oil and gas become obsolete.
- Without oil and gas Russia loses 70 % of budget earnings - crisis far worse than fall of Soviet Union.
- Without oil and gas Middle East arabs and Iran become islamic desert shithole back again.
- Without oil and gas Venezuela completely collapses.
- There is growing automation. Soon the tiiping point will happen when it will be cheaper to have automated factory in Mexico than cheap worforce in China to manufacture to USA market. Same with Europe. With this China may also fall.

>>130837786
How does capitalism promote globalism and interventionism?
Unchecked capitalism is globalism. (((Free trade))) deals and globalism started because countries went towards a protectionistic economic policy. Protectionism raised the standard of living of the Western countries because instead of going for the cheaper goods from abroad government put on taxes on imports from foreign countries. Thus the government or got more money to spend or the money would have stayed inside the country or economic zone.
You're right on interventionism but in the end other countries only get invaded because it was cheaper to just take goods by force with the state military. On the other hand transportation costs become cheaper and trading becomes more profitable than waging war.

>>130838738
If you're looking for good country projections there's a yt channel called 'Caspian Report'. They're pretty good.

>>130826603
wow what a fucking retarded post. you must be really fucking stupid to actually think like that. If chimpanzees could verbalize thoughts they would probably be more well thought out than that verbal diarrhea you're spouting

>>130826603
from the highest tree you will hang Tysker

t. dansken

>>130837615
Nationalism (not ethnic nationalism, but a kind of nationalism) is important. I agree. While at heart I'm for the eventual disintegration of borders and what not, national cohesion is still the first step to world-wide cohesion.

But let's not just blame the immigrants-- let's also not just blame people who have problems with immigrants. It's a complicated issue. Let's first try and understand why these terrorist attacks are happening (and, let me be clear, understanding=/=sympathizing).

Fundamentalist Islam doesn't really exist like it does now until the 60s-70s. Islamic countries have a long history of secular policy and even philosophy in the middle ages and beyond. These guys saved Aristotle and Plato for us, so what happened? Largely faulty western interventionism. I don't think we ought to flagellate ourselves or any SJW stuff like that, but these problems we're facing now are only going to stop when we fix western conduct with the middle east (including dismantling Saudi Arabia).

Simply banning immigration or killing all the extremists isn't going to solve the issue. It might delay the issue a bit, but it's a much deeper problem than fanaticism.

Turn of the century America, the classic ethnic boiling pot of New York for example, had a sense of social cohesion, the left movements wouldn't have been able to be as popular as they were if it wasn't.

>>130838666
Again, you're just playing the fundamentalist card like a communist. Why can't you accept that there's something fundamentally wrong about capitalism?

>We abandoned the systems that built the greatest civilizations on earth
If you really think the golden period of the early industrial west was pure capitalist, you're dead wrong.

>>130839656
>t canadian
every time

>>130826603
>pro-Russian actors will take control of the three Baltic states
How? By quoting Shakespeare at them real hard? fake and gay

>>130826603
>Be on the lookout for his upcoming visit to Poland

Yes, he's going to finish what Obama started.

>>130840565
What did Obama start?

>>130839246
>How does capitalism promote globalism and interventionism?

Capitalism necessarily promotes states and individuals to seek out fertile resources. This inevitably causes imperialism, which will cause reactionary anti-imperialist uprisings in whatever shape they may take (from Mandela to Ghandi to Osama); even if the imperialist nations eventually step down, they leave an unstable and resentful nation in their place, and the imperialist country never fully leaves its invaded land entirely anyway.

This will inevitably cause interventionism because the now anti-imperialist reactionaries are naturally going to attempt to work against the imperialist's best incentives (this isn't to justify it or anything, but it's just what happens). And the Imperialist will always intervene if it feels like its economic health is in any way threatened. (Columbia, Iran, Iraq, Grenada, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.)

>On the other hand transportation costs become cheaper and trading becomes more profitable than waging war
To an extent, but let's not pretend that the war economy doesn't exist. MGS is a pretentious game, but one thing it really nails on the head is the military industrial complex.
I mean, if we've learned anything from the Romans, it's that an empire can survive economically on war for a long damn time-- but it's not sustainable (let alone ethical)

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>>130840865
Setting up of the missile defense system was scheduled for June-July of this year.

Nice larp, faggot.

>>130839967

I agree that fucking around in foreign countries is a bad thing, and no doubt antagonizes the inhabitants/diaspora of those countries, but a proper nationalist/isolationist policy would solve that. Like the one America had pre-civil war. I don't like America now, and I don't like what it's doing and probably will continue to do, but I don't like the worship of equality or believe that all people are equal, because they aren't, by culture or biology, they aren't and never will be. No amount of class consciousness will change that either. As I said, there will be communist republics similar to Rojava throughout Europe you can live in if you'd like, but don't expect a European wide communist utopia to emerge after the coming dark ages.

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>>130841061

Don't worry m'lady, I'm a signals guy. I got this.

>>130839967
>Again, you're just playing the fundamentalist card like a communist. Why can't you accept that there's something fundamentally wrong about capitalism?
Capitalism has lots of problems, but it's the best system we have.

>If you really think the golden period of the early industrial west was pure capitalist, you're dead wrong.
We never had pure capitalism, but we were better off overall the closer to capitalism we were.

We're never going to reach utopia and of course capitalism has problems, but socialism, open borders, and marxism is destroying the west.

>>130840960
War economy exist because government spending. USA army at start was like that. There wasn't an official army or if there was it was pretty small. If war was declared all military aged men had to be collected before shipping them to the battlefield. Nowadays you don't even need that as you have nukes and can.

Also if you start taking the Romans in your arguments then you're legitimizing the fact that immigration (and failure to conquer and pacify) led to their demise. Once the Romans stopped waging war and conquering new places they stagnated and eventually died.

The only way to save europe is for danes and dutch to unite and kill every single german in the world

>>130826603
>The European Union is crumbling, and its dissolution is inevitable by now.
Plausible, but it's going to take decades to unpack the EU without a major happening that simply blows it away overnight.

>France is on the verge of a civil war. The Fifth Republic is nearing its end. Germany knows this, and is preparing for the eventual moment of shit hitting the fan.
Neither France nor Germany have the native men nor firepower to do anything about macro-level defense and security issues. Anything happening in Middle Europe is going to be an organic clusterfuck of civil unrest and regionalism.

>The upper echelons in Trump's administration have chosen to sacrifice Western Europe to Islam; they consider it a lost cause.
Trump's administration is shot through with neocons in the foreign policy departments. Any plans he might have with respect to Europe don't matter. He can't remove the jews without them removing him and with respect to that he could never lend aid to the Visegrád unless the EU was already in defacto internal civil war.

>>130841649
Well, I disagree with you on the inequality points. But let's try not to derail the thread too much, let me just make this one point. I for one also don't believe all people are equal in terms of ability-- obviously there are people who are smarter, stronger, more creative, etc. than other. But I also don't think those people ought to be treated any better under the eyes of the law.
Regardless of whether or not people are biologically or culturally equal, the basis of Western law is that people are equal under the eyes of the law. This is, what I think, both sides of the table forget. It doesn't really matter if everyone's equal biologically or not, what matters is that they're just given the modicum of respect they deserve as human beings and are judged, in terms of law, purely by their conscious action.

But back to the nationalism thing. I actually support isolationism to an extent, but I also think it's too late for it. Any isolationist policy will be a false one; the world is too interconnected and the problems at the border necessarily involve us-- they're not just going to go away by ignoring them.

I also don't like America, but I have some hope. I don't think it's too late for civilization as a whole. If the Paris Agreement talks signaled anything, it signaled at least that we were all willing to start sacrificing a bit.

>>130842216
>Capitalism has lots of problems, but it's the best system we have.
It can't be that great if it's causing the massive wealth inequality, food shortages, recessions, global warming, instability, etc. To simply accept it is to accept defeat. We need to start thinking creatively.

>We're never going to reach utopia and of course capitalism has problems, but socialism, open borders, and marxism is destroying the west.
Again, I don't think identity politics really mean marxism, and I also don't think open borders-- which have really just been an attempt by western powers to get dirt cheap workers and pseudoliberal support, are "destroying the west".

The issue is that our system is unsustainable. We shouldn't be defeatist and just accept it as it is.

I'm also not really a socialist. I'm a fan of Marx, but communism seems to have some fundamental problems to it. I think Zizek's right and we need to figure out a new system of living. But this system can't simply be just capitalism with a human face or capitalism with a nationalist face, they're just ignoring the deeper problems.

>>130842651
>If the Paris Agreement talks signaled anything, it signaled at least that we were all willing to start sacrificing a bit.
You have to be truly delusional to think that Paris Agreements were anything but the Green Grifters working to pad their pocketbooks. It was an agreement explicitly cut to allow industrialized nations to keep polluting at an exponentially higher rate while the de-industrialized west had to engage in massive wealth distribution to them and the third world. It was entirely predicated on the premise that the first world economies are always and forever doing better than the rest which is directly at odds with what's observable reality in the first world (little or no growth, huge debt, dying productive population, ballooning unproductive population).

The only reasonable read of what they were attempting to accomplish is pushing more money through their international financial sectors and creating extra-national red-tape such that they could easily squash any business that wanted to compete with the big exporters in China/India and importers in the West.

>>130829438
>Control of the Baltic coast was always considered to be a strategic priority in the Russian Empire
That would be starting with the Soviet Union only, you are mixing things up here.
>ridiculously large Russian population
20% (and shrinking) is not "ridiculously large"
>The Baltics were never free
The Baltic region was isolated and completely autonomous the whole time.

But if you want war, please bring it. I don't give a shit anymore.

>>130844243
>the whole time
...while in the Russian Empire, that is. The Soviets were a whole different deal.

>>130843539
Oh I agree, I don't think the Paris Agreement is in anyway perfect, or that it doesn't have your basic capitalist incentives behind it.

But it's a start, and a promising one at that.

Public support is largely on the side of environmentalism, even if they don't want to make drastic sacrifices yet. It's even more true among the youth, which by and large believes in climate change, one figure I read stated that over half of the youth believes it's an issue that needs to be addressed immediately.
So it's a start, a small glimmer of hope in a time where there doesn't seem to be very much going around.

>>130843337
>It can't be that great if it's causing the massive wealth inequality
You're just a straight up communist. Muh Capitalism isn't what causes wealth inequality, human nature is. Any society that doesn't restrict private property ownership will experience smarter and more industrious people accumulating weath and passing it down to their children, often along with those same personality traits. You're a lazy commie who wants gibsmedats.

>>130844735
>But it's a start, and a promising one at that.
No, that's just it. It's not a start of anything but graft and corruption. And frankly, those channels for graft already exist, so technically it's not a start there either.

>Public support is largely on the side of environmentalism
And that, right there, is the biggest redpill on the left's anti-white strategy. Environmentalism is absolutely not enjoying growing public support. It's dying. Non-whites ONLY care about these green accords to the extent they can milk money from the first world. As the first world browns they won't go greener, they'll revert to third world environmental practices.

So the farce is two-fold. Not only is it obviously not about the health of the environment, which is important, it's actually a fig-leaf over the impending rape of the environment that you are going to see from a third-world infested West.

Get ready for massive expansion in Coal because that will be the first thing a Muslim regime in Europe or a Latino regime in America does to enrich itself. Whites won't like it, but they'll be a hated minority. Environmentalism will be unpopular among the elite whites who have to maintain rapport with the brown hoards.

>>130836336
If only there was a decentralized form of currency not controlled by central banks...

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>>130843337
National socialism was, is, and will always be the awnser to creating a stable and prosperous nation. People must unite not on race alone, not on culture alone, and not on religion alone. But and ll three! It's and ll recipe for success. If you play your cards right, the economy will be good, you will have a strong defense force, and you will have a nice nest egg to use on scientific projects such as space exploration. It's neither communism nor capitalism. It's the third option. A true out of the box idea that when given space to grow, will flourish.

Preserve diversity using ethno states anon. Join the dark side

>>130846483
Not to mention national socialism was pretty damn earth friendly

>>130837307

Except it's not, because we do not have a free market. Fiat currency issued by a (((central bank))) which also fundamentally manipulates the market with its fuckery means your entire basis for a free market is gone.

>>130843337
Are you trolling or retarded?

We have the most material wealth of any time in history. The least deaths from war, famine disease. Longest livespan. And you are saying this isn't that great?

>>130839967
>KraiMCWe
>no borders

fuck off leftist.

The no border politic have bringing a lot of problem to Chile, we don't have any debt to black people but lefftist are pushing soo hard in us the anti racist idea.
I really don't want to see my country turning in a black shithole or in an haiti 2.0 and also if it socially worked i don't want to wake up one day and see my country converted in a brown hellhole.

>>130845052
>You're just a straight up communist
I think Marx had a lot of good ideas, but I'm not so sure about Communism.
>You're a lazy commie who wants gibsmedats
I'm a middle-class student working towards becoming a professor, but okay.
Also
>I'm lazy
>implying inheritance of capital isn't the pinnacle of laziness

>>130845316
Look, I totally agree that the Paris agreement didn't go far enough.
>Non-whites ONLY care about these green accords to the extent they can milk money from the first world. As the first world browns they won't go greener, they'll revert to third world environmental practices.
I don't think that's true. especially when the third world is feeling the effects of climate change the worst. Let's not dwell in conspiracy theories and ignore the larger issues. The Paris Agreement ought to have been harsher on less developed countries, it's true, but that alone doesn't make the agreement useless or symbolically unimportant.

And environmentalism is clearly garnering support. It's objectively gaining support in the west. It's popular; just not popular enough yet for people to really feel the need to sacrifice for it yet.

>>130846483
National socialism is also a farce. A lot of these conflicts are coming about from inter-class struggles as promoted by capitalism, National Socialism, essentially a conservative revolution, wants to keep the class structure.
Even still, Nazi-ism alone can't fix these current problems; like I said, it effectively just pretends they don't exist. Not to mention that racial, cultural, and religious unity is impossible to hope for without mass violence and catastrophe, which in the end will only cause more problems.

If you want to look for a nationalistic state that's feasible, look to Salazar's Portugal. Not to say that it's perfect, but it's proof that multicultural unity is totally possible.

>>130826603
>the Baltic states will become a ribbon-wrapped gift basket to be presented to Russia
without having a war not possible and this is coming from someone who wouldnt fight for these countries

>>130826603
Dark times my ass, this is great news, I hope every word of it comes true.

>>130847660
>And you are saying this isn't that great?
The issue is that it's not sustainable, and will ultimately lead to our undoing.
While capitalism has caused incredible progress, it's also caused an absurd amount of unnecessary suffering and is the leading cause of our current ecological crisis.

>>130848315
Did you read what I posted? No borders is an ultimate goal, not an immediate one. I don't think it's possible given the global framwork atm.

>>130848394
I think your fundamental flaw is thinking that class division or hierarchy is bad. Look at the animal kingdom, look at small rivers flowing into big rivers, look at hills and mountains, look how the cells in your body work together. Hierarchy and division of form and purpose is a fundamental principle of any dynamic system. Why should human society be any different?

>>130848859
Leftists like to impute teleology and motive to accidents and nature.

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>>130826603
>The only piece of Europe worth saving right now are the Visegrád Group countries
What about Finlan tho?

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>>130849564
Are you saying the arc of the moral universe doesn't necessarily bend towards justice?!? But the wrong side of history!

>>130849735
A long time ago I posted a prophecy slogan that nobody picked up, but that I still believe in, all the more so now after OP, although we will not see it soon:
V4 WILL BECOME V20!

>>130826603

This is kike sourcery

Ignore it. The world is not about to end, no matter how much the occultist scum desire it

dont let them hyjack your perception. Write your own script

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>>130850017
>V4 WILL BECOME V20!
Egsplain :D

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>>130826603
The nukes are coming.

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>>130848859
>Hierarchy and division of form and purpose is a fundamental principle of any dynamic system.
Your ecology is off by about 100 years. Systems ecology doesn't deal with hierarchies at all. It's impossible to say within any given ecosystem what is the "highest" class or organism, and what is the "lowest"; each serves an indispensable function in the ecosystem.

>Why should human society be any different?
You're right, it shouldn't. We ought to treat each other as, basically, equals. We ought to forge a system in which every person is as essential and important as every other.

>>130849806
"Wrong side of history" presupposes knowledge of the future.
The beginning of wisdom is respecting the edge of knowledge.

>>130850137
... more countries will come around to V4's way of thinking as the elites are disredited and popular redpilling grows stronger.
Euros will still relate and build favorable trade deals, but will see that just abandoning sovereignty was dumb.
Everything will turn out better than expected.

>>130850180
>Your ecology is off by about 100 years. Systems ecology doesn't deal with hierarchies at all. It's impossible to say within any given ecosystem what is the "highest" class or organism, and what is the "lowest"; each serves an indispensable function in the ecosystem.
Enough with this relativist crap. While the wolf and rabbit both serve a purpose, the wolf is far superior to the rabbit.

>You're right, it shouldn't. We ought to treat each other as, basically, equals. We ought to forge a system in which every person is as essential and important as every other.
You just contradicted what you agreed to.

Btw, that Ayn Rand quote goes against everything you've been arguing for.

>>130826603
>EU going down the shitter
>dark times
lol

>>130826603
>France is on the verge of a civil war
Wrong. Stopped reading there

Captcha: for sale bras

>>130833045
>Implying NK isn't a Chinese military base

All those missile launches stopped pretty quickly when we decided to laser one of them out of the sky. Nothing to do with the Koreans getting scared. Those are fucking Chinese missile launches. The Chinese needed to find a way to test America's defensive capabilities against big ole missiles. So they've been using NK as their pawn for said tests.
Where the fuck do you think the NK's are getting both the missiles and the money for them as well as the scientists?

>>130850180
"highest" or "lowest" is a moral value that I am not applying here. Simply that there will always be inequality of many kinds because that is the natural order of things. Doesn't mean people have to suffer. I think we are doing an OK job right now.

Answer me this, in what possible scenario would someone born brain-damaged and requiring constant care be as essential and important as a healthy, intelligent, capable individual? Equally worthy of dignity, sure. But to try and make someone born an imbecile equal to someone born a genius will only harm society as a whole.

>>130826603
Quit larping
Nothings going to happen dude

>>130850150
>Detroit and Flint get nuked into oblivion
Hit me harder daddy, oh god please

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Let's solve the Jew problem. Take away their control over our banks.

>France is on the verge of civil war

the alt right actually believe this

If France has a civil war, they might finally win a war.

>>130850796
Keep importing Muslims and you will discover what everyone living in an officially Muslim country already knows: Muslims = war.
The Second Amendment is actually brilliant because tyrants are cowards and will not make the move so long as the guns are out there. Wide gun ownership and not actual resistance precludes tyranny.
Islam contains (in all versions) a Muslim Retard Version of the Second Amendment. In the MRV/2A, all Muslims are commanded by God to stop Tyranny with surprise physical violence (ie, terrorism). Tyranny is defined by the same authorities as any government ruling outside of the perfect system of laws devised by God himself. That includes differing versions. So you can be a Muslim Shariah government and get attacked by Muslims because you violated the (that is, their) Shariah.
Thus Muslims equal war, and will continue to do so until there is only one version of Islam.

>>130826603
the Visegrad states have a combined population less than Germany. You're not even European, you don't know shit

>>130850640
>Enough with this relativist crap
It's science bucko. Sorry you don't like it. Thermodynamics introduced it, Einstein all but codified it.

>While the wolf and rabbit both serve a purpose, the wolf is far superior to the rabbit.
Why? Because it can kill the rabbit? They both play an essential part in the ecosystem as a whole. You can't say which one is "better" based on strength like a child. Both of the organisms have adapted to their environment.

>You just contradicted what you agreed to.
Which is?

>That Ayn Rand quote goes against everything you've been arguing for.
How so? It's also just a quote I like.

>>130850863
>Simply that there will always be inequality of many kinds because that is the natural order of things
Again, this inequality business within nature is hard to really measure. Is the rabbit really inequal to the wolf? They both survive within their environment, they both cannot survive without the other. "The Natural Order of Things" is co-dependence. Please read up on your systems theory, it's what's been driving ecological studies since the 1900s.

>Answer me this, in what possible scenario would someone born brain-damaged and requiring constant care be as essential and important as a healthy, intelligent, capable individual?
There are extreme and hard cases, it's true. And I'm honestly not confident about the right answer in this scenario.

But thankfully our world isn't especially faced with that problem. By and large it appears that most people are thoroughly capable of handling most jobs given that they receive the proper training, have the proper resources.
People are effectively already equal w/r/t ability, it's a matter of attributing resources to harness that ability.

>>130851727
actually a combined population less than fucking France too
the USA will never give up its large and powerful European allies until the day it will realize it can no longer hold onto the superpower status

>>130826603

Their fault for not noticing they were implementing the tenants of communism.

>>130826603
Nice LARP.

>>130826603
The Visegrad group has its desires to create an intermarium, and surrendering the baltic states to the russians will open up another front of danger to them.

If Trump desired for the pacification of russian relationship, surrendering half of ukraine, crimea and Syria would be a better, more digestible target for the russian state, compared to the baltics.

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>>130851732
OK you must be trolling. But just for the audience at home, one more time:

I'm not applying value judgements to the rabbit or the wolf. I am saying that they are fundamentally unequal in many measurable ways. THEY ARE FUNDAMENTALLY UNEQUAL. They can both be co-dependent, and both be of critical importance, but they are not equal.

Among humans, we spend significantly more money on retarded and problem children in school than gifted children. We are sacrificing the most promising among us so the retards don't drag quite as far behind us. We have brilliant young men and women being denied jobs and university positions because their skin is the wrong color, or they have the wrong gender. When you try to make unequal things equal, you end up fucking everything up because it's way easier to bring someone good down than turn a retard into a productive member of society.

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>>130833555
>trusting Sniffles
m8....he's a hack

>>130826603
>France is on the verge of a civil war.

Stopped right there, silly larper. Go code a fantasy vidya game of your bullshit.

>>130835048
Why not just follow your natural instinct to run away from the crack?

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>>130851732
>is the rabbit really unequal?
Yes you fucking mong.

Only whites are naive enough to actually believe this relativism nonsense, too much empathy.
You're a useful idiot, the nonwhites don't care about "le ecosystem" and "le ethics"
They'll fucking eat you.

Class-consciousness is nonsense, (blood) race-consciousness is the only meaningful bond.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsCSAEdxXMc

>>130852482
>They can both be co-dependent, and both be of critical importance, but they are not equal.
Then why use the term unequal in the first place if all you mean to say is that they're fundamentally different creatures who serve different, yet equally essential, purposes in the overall environment? If that's what you mean to say then we already agree on this point.

Using the words unequal necessarily introduces value judgments.

The mentally challenged, again, are a tough question. I don't pretend to know the answer of what to do with them. My point too was that they're outliers, and ought not to guide our decisions. However, too, we shouldn't simply abandon them as lost causes, plenty of them can lead meaningful and productive lives even by capitalist standards.

>>130852713
I'm a big fan and haven't really been convinced otherwise.

>>130853742
>Only whites are naive enough to actually believe this relativism nonsense, too much empathy.
Or anyone who believes in science.
Third world countries are shitholes and are living proof of the horrors of unchecked capitalism, I don't expect them to know anything other than to eat me. I'm not defending them, but it's also not necessarily their fault either.

I'm also not gonna spend time arguing with a literal nazi who buys the race-consciousness spook.

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>>130854455
>muh capitalism, muh spooks
It's nature m8, literally fucking evolution. You've been jew'd, use your head.

pic related is the "equality" you'll be getting in the end, guess which one you are?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfvXwuZ-bok

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>>130855279
You don't even know how evolution or ecology works. You've taken the most ignorant and simplistic misreading "muh survival of the fittest", and made it into a whole ideology. Even worst, is that moment you get actual science debunking your misunderstanding, you disregard it as jew shit.

Absolutely pitiful.
You know this systems theory of ecology was developed by a german too right? So much for loving die heimat, huh

>>130854455
Unequal is not a value judgement. The word unequal is the exact opposite of a value judgement. It implies that there ARE meaningful differences that can be measured. The word unequal in my usage is entirely objective.

And my example of the mentally challenged versus the gifted is extreme to prove my point. It's not just outliers; all human beings exist on many spectrum of health, intelligence, motivation, wealth, etc... My whole point is that equality of outcome is abhorrent and causes much more harm than the natural order. People see homelessness and think "gee that's terrible, maybe we should tax this rich" but if mankind had never accumulated wealth and power into the hands of a few we'd all still be scratching for worms to eat in the dirt.

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>>130856203
>It implies that there ARE meaningful differences that can be measured.
To be unequal is to have something superior or something inferior relative to something else. Why not just use the word "different"?
But whatever, semantics I guess.

>all human beings exist on many spectrum of health, intelligence, motivation, wealth, etc
Motivation, wealth, and health are largely based on the material circumstances of their society, well within humanity's control, not so much the randomness Nature. But I'll bite.

>People see homelessness and think "gee that's terrible, maybe we should tax this rich" but if mankind had never accumulated wealth and power into the hands of a few we'd all still be scratching for worms to eat in the dirt.
That's a bold claim. And goes against the
>"We have brilliant young men and women being denied jobs and university positions because their skin is the wrong color, or they have the wrong gender. "
you were stating earlier. A good deal of homeless people aren't lost causes; they're just people down on their luck or are people who've never been able to afford aid for their addictions or mental problems. It seems to me much more worthwhile to spend the money to aid these valuable people, rather than give up on them "because nature", if that's what you're trying to get at.

It's also a bad argument to say "we've done great things with one system, therefore no other good system could exist or could have done better in the long run." It's pure conjecture.

>>130834158
>more than just a "culture war"
You better believe it -- and prepare yourselves accordingly. When this shit pops off, It'll be biblical in scale.

>>130835089

>>130835089

the left doesn't care about the working class anymore; not even the bernie or corbyn supporters; all they care about is redirecting their outrage toward white males and pandering to minorities all while doing the same globalism that the other side does

if they really did care; they'd support moderately left leaning policies but be against globalization and immigration (which is ironically actually what most of these so called "far-right" supporters believe in)

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>>130856123
>>130856123
>muh aktual science!
I'm very aware of how evolution and ecology work, you're the one making excuses for homo sapiens only. Show me your "science" if you are truly so confident.

I posit that you are either; anti-science, or you are lying to further your own selfish goals. Which is it?

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>>130841061
>>130841981
I didn't want to live anyways.

>>130835089

This. You can try and instill old guard leftism into the left, but you will fail. The dreaded idpol is here, and here to stay.

>>130859722

>>130837902

ironically i find that when right wingers implement left wing economic policies, they do it much better than the left; who simply create corruption and bureaucracy everwhere (otto van bismarck for example; or pretty much northern europe post ww2; where the people were still pretty nationalistic)

>>130826603

you could have said all that in 3 lines and it would have been the same shit 4chan has been talking about for some time now.

You are wrong about Russia though, correct on Islam however.

bye