Was consumerism a mistake?

>>130822230
Bad taste is always a mistake.
Something the WASPs in america knew but Jews thought stood in their way

>>130822230
>>130822230
>>130822230

This only happened because people have no incentive to save because the gov prints money like wasting ink gives them a giant federal orgasm.

1. Buy bitcoin
2. Get rich.
3. Leave when everything starts to fall apart.
4. ???
5. Profit

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>people actually consider Times Squire ads iconic
>people actually watch the Super Bowl just for the commercials
>people actually watch people drive around in ugly ass cars with advertisements all over them

>>130822730
What would you prefer, that everything is covered in crosses and classical statuary?

>>130822730
>American culture

>>130822730
This. Why are Times Square ads so beloved?

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>>130822230
Yes, obviously. Your picture shows the truth that consumerism keeps us sub-optimal. Our city-centres have the potential to look like temples and instead they look like brothels. Tear it down!

>>130822903
There's no excuse for NASCAR
>ads on the cars
>ads on the driver's clothing
>ads in the name of the race
>ads in the name of some of the laps
>still fucking sneaking in commercials during a live race

>>130822450
Nah. The problem is protestants have no appreciation for beauty.

>>130822230
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEeSPc5oTcM

>>130822230

Always wondered what was behind the signs.

Cheers OP

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>>130823275
Something about being an old timey land mark.
Ads are disgusting. Especially billboards.

>>130822903
Crosses no, classical and modernist decorations, sure. Art Deco was awesome.

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>>130823320
>ads in the name of some of the laps

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>>130822230
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>>130822230
My Grand parents bought a summer home in the 1920's . Jews were not allowed . My father said the reason for this was that if they were permitted to
buy property there they would overwhelm the beautiful natural environment with hotdog stands and whirly gigs.

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>>130822230
What's the alternative? You live in a FREE society, where anybody can go out and make wealth for themselves. Anybody can start a business. Whether as a sole trader, or by hiring a bunch of other people.

Would you prefer communism then, where you are forced to give away the wealth that you accrue to the state?

If you don't like certain products or adverts then IGNORE THEM. Exercise your personal agency for God's sake, and TAKE SOME GODDAMN RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR LIFE.

I am assuming you're American because of the picture. So you live in arguably the freest country on Earth. It's certainly the most powerful. So go forth and make a life for yourself, and be thankful that you live in such a great country. OR, if you really think it's such a shit deal, then go and migrate somewhere else! That's your choice buddy.

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>>130822230
Yes.

>>130822701

>1. Buy bitcoin
>2. Get rich.
>3. Leave when everything starts to fall apart.
>4. ???
>5. Profit

Lol, more like lose everything once starts to fall apart. Bitcoin can't even sustain stable price during peace time. You want to be prepared, dug a gold stash in your local forrest. Bitcoin has no inherit value and will be impossible to move or exchange during crisis/wartime.

>>130822230
I like the modern tower

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>>130823501
But it looked really decent back then

I think now it's just too much thanks to post modernism

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>>130823793
>If you don't like certain products or adverts then IGNORE

I'm gonna buy set of stage speakers, but your neighbour's house, set speakers outside on window and play on full volume most annoying ad I could find airind on the radio.

You're free to ignore the noise.

>>130822230
>Was the free market a mistake?
kys

>>130823984
Well, I would say that consumerism supersedes post modernism in that cultures have always struggled with consumerism.
Because, rarely even in the 20's all the way to the 50's. Advertisements were hardly ever seen like now days. You might see one or two advertisements on the street. But that's all you ever see. Now days advertisements are everywhere and people have to buy everything or else they get left behind.
So, I think the cult of consumerism has consumed most of America's ideals.

>>130824378
>Free market=Consumerism

>>130823320
The stadium name is usually an ad too

>>130823340
Meanwhile they've built the country and you've fled here

>>130824572
The ads in question are private property and merely the product of free exchange in a market.

If I pay you $50 to put a sign up on your window, you probably will agree.

If you ban signs because you think this is "consumerism", you can no longer get the $50. Therefore, anti-consumerism, is actually an affront on the free market. Please consider your logic better next time.

>>130822230
In an ancap society you'd be able to voluntarily donate to an organization that makes deals with companies to not put advertisements on certain renowned landmarks.

>pirate
>argh! is consumerism a mistake lads?
>meanwhile makes all earnings off of stealing consumer goods and selling to hedges.

probs leaf hiding behind pirate flag. kewl story leaf.

>>130824754
No? He's not forcing anybody to do anything or enacting regulations. Doing what you want with your property and only making selective deals as you see fit is PRO free market. In a free market you're totally invited to not be a consumer, but then you don't get to consume.

>>130822230
I did not know such building existed behind those adverts.

>>130825130
>In a free market you're totally invited to not be a consumer, but then you don't get to consume.

This doesn't make any fucking sense.

YES.

Deflation now! Reward savers and drive degenerate purchasing habits out! Under a deflationary regime, consumption is deferred to take advantage of passively growing wealth. Some consumption cannot or will not be deferred - people don't stop buying toilet paper. Deflation doesn't stop people buying anything they actually need! It therefore shifts the economic basis of society away from shit people don't need and towards shit people do need!

yes

branding, advertisement and marketing especially is a mistake

it is what allows big business to buy loyalty from the consumer, instead of actually creating good products


we need to end that to return to true capitalism

>>130825442
What about it doesn't make sense? Forcing him to make the transaction and put the ad on his window is an involuntary regulation. In an unregulated free market, it would be his liberty on whether or not he wants to put the sign up or not. Sure, he'd stimulate the economy by making the transaction, but that doesn't mean the alternative is "an affront on the free market". That's retarded.

>>130825442
If you don't consume, you're not a consumer.

If you do consume, you are a consumer.

>>130824378
the free market IS a mistake

a completely free market destroys competition as the rich control the market

>>130825451
That would work if women didn't exist

>>130825824
>Forcing him to make the transaction and put the ad on his window is an involuntary regulation

Nobody is forcing him.
Nobody forced the owner of the building in Times Square to put up the ads.
The owner of the building did it on his own accord, not "consumerism", and these things arose as the result of the free market.

Consumerism isn't a bad thing as long as there aren't governmental "consumer protection groups", etc, which by the way aren't the ones buying and paying for advertising which there is nothing wrong with.
I think you'd better change your flag.

>>130825888
Even if this is what he meant, it still doesn't make any sense in relation to what I said. That's like me saying the sky is blue.

Of course it was. Feminism was inevitable under it. And capitalism enabled consumerism.

>>130826082
>a completely free market destroys competition
Failing this hard at economics.

>as the rich control the market

And this is a bad thing because? Oh, I know, it's because you don't understand economics.

>>130826547
good argument, retard

>big businesses buy out the competition
>no competition on the market
>prices go up and quality goes down

>>130824370
what a shit analogy slav. I can use my freedom to block any adds on my computer, petition my local government to remove obtrusive ads, and refuse to watch the electric jew.

Any city with giant fucking adds is pozzed anyway.

>>130822230
Buyer Behavior study was too effective.

>>130826547
A completely free market collaspses on itself into corporate tyrany, same as other side of the scale (communism) turns into oligarch/ruling party tyrany.

>>130826657
>petition my local government to remove obtrusive ads

Using goverment to obstruct legal buissness? What are you a commie? I thought you were the land of free.

>>130826647
You forgot what happens next:

>no competition on the market
>prices go up and quality goes down
>because the prices are high and quality is low, someone sees a a business opportunity
>because there are no regulations or taxation, barriers to entry is very low
>new businesses form and quickly gain new customers because they are offering a better product at cheaper prices
>old monopoly loses market influence

>>130827166
>>new businesses form and quickly gain new customers because they are offering a better product at cheaper prices

except that's not true

brand loyalty and advertising would make it extremely difficult for businesses to get consumer recognition

>>130827114
>What are you a commie?

lets jump to conclusions shall we? lets make grand accusations with no proof. governments aren't inherenetly communistic, but I guess polish education would have you thinking otherwise.

Advertising was a mistake. At this point I just think it should be abolished completely.

>>130824370
Yeah, that's illegal. And it's a terrible analogy because no one is blasting the sound of adverts into your home are they? Jesus Christ come up with an analogy that isn't false please.

>>130827114
I was the guy talking about the land of the free, and I never said that society should become a fucking ancap meme for Christ's sake

>>130827466
this

it would make markets much more competitive and boost local businesses over multinational chains

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>>130827512
>it's a terrible analogy because no one is blasting the sound of adverts into your home are they?

Sure they do.

>>130823793
>If you don't like certain products or adverts then IGNORE THEM
Except this is literally impossible. If you walk in any modern city in the west today you'll see advertising on every odd surface, even some surfaces built for the sole purpose of displaying ads, some of them are even moving, and they all use psychological techniques which have been in development for decades at the cost of literally billions of dollars, to catch your attention.

>>130827357
>brand loyalty and advertising
>implying brand loyalty and advertising even matters if the quality is shit and the price is sky high

Regardless, these are much smaller and much more insignificant barriers to entry than state intervention would create.
All successful companies overcame in history overcame these through innovation or superior marketing, which in the end produces better technological progress.

>>130822903
yes faggot. i would prefer there to be crosses and classical statues. that actually sounds great to me.

>>130827512
>I was the guy talking about the land of the free, and I never said that society should become a fucking ancap meme for Christ's sake

But anon, anything that isn't ancap meme is communism.

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>>130827856
>mcdonalds and burger king is pure shit
>still dominate burger market because of advertising

yeah try again idiot

>>130824754
>The ads in question are private property and merely the product of free exchange in a market.
The actual product that's being exchanged is the attention of bystanders, at no benefit to them.

>>130827114
>A completely free market collaspses on itself into corporate tyrany

History and these countries prove otherwise:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_economic_freedom

By the way "corporate tyrany" is a boogeyman used by the left.

>>130828125
>The Index of Economic Freedom is an annual report published by the Heritage Foundation and The Wall Street Journal.
>Using literal propaganda as a source

>>130824550
That consumerism has destroyed society is a redpill most refuse to take. The constant quest for more at all costs has destroyed social cohesion. That we drove our neighbors out of business to save a few cents at Walmart, and now we stay at home and destroy what's left of our local storefronts to save money on Amazon (and buying through them exclusively to justify those Prime fees) shows how much consumerism has turned us all inward and away from our neighbors.

how about instead of being a little pussy, if you don't like something, dont fucking do it.

>>130828125
But they aren't "completely free markets" in a same sense that there never was "true communism".
Also it's index that suppose to give you idea which countries are more economically free that others, Not absoulte scale from ancap to communism.

>>130827788
An ice cream truck coming around once a year in the summer. Wow.

>>130827837
Yeah, just ignore them, and focus on your own success. That's what successful people do.

>>130827933
Okay.

>>130828125
>any of those countries
>free market capitalism

most of those countries have some minimal regulations though, which is what we advocate for

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>>130828009
>The actual product that's being exchanged is the attention of bystanders, at no benefit to them.

Since when does "Attention of" trump "Property of"?
It doesn't.
Unless they have a stake in the property in question, they are powerless to intervene it aside from perhaps boycotting the businesses engaging in it.


>>130827996
>implying McDonald's is a monopoly

If you don't like it, you are free to eat somewhere else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_restaurant_chains_in_the_United_States

These people could easily go to another fast food chain or another restaurant or make their own food but they don't.

>>130828658
>Yeah, just ignore them, and focus on your own success. That's what successful people do.
You can (try to) ignore them in the sense of not acting according to their messages, but you can not ignore them in the sense of literally not seeing them, and preventing information that's detrimental to your mental health enter your brain.

>>130828857
>If you don't like it, you are free to eat somewhere else.
that's not the argument

>These people could easily go to another fast food chain or another restaurant or make their own food but they don't.

yeah but they don't, exactly
which means the market is not competitive enough, because the high quality burger joints aren't getting the name recognition they should be getting

>>130828857
>Since when does "Attention of" trump "Property of"?
>It doesn't.
Since always, there's a lot of laws detailing what you can and can't do on your private property if it's within viewing/hearing distance of others. You can't display porn, you can't make loud noise at night, etcetera. These laws should simply be extended to cover any commercial utterance.

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>>130828733
He said:

>A completely free market collaspses on itself into corporate tyrany

If free markets had the tendency of collapsing in on themselves and forming oligarchies, we would observe an associative relationship between these things, much like we see an increase in the size of government and a decline in living standards as economic freedom goes down.

Surely barely regulated markets would have similar traits.

Surely history would be full of examples whenever throughout most of human history economic transactions more or less went unregulated aside from some taxation as time went on.

It isn't, hence why he is wrong.

>>130829112
It literally is an argument. People obviously go to McDonald's because they find it acceptable. Same with BK, Wendy's, etc. Plenty of other brands failed despite ad campaigns. Ads are a cornerstone of media, without them a lot of things literally wouldn't exist.

>>130829112
Also, what higher quality ones are you talking about? Stuff like In N Out and SmashBurger? They're extremely well known in their respective regions.

>>130829458
>Ads are a cornerstone of media, without them a lot of things literally wouldn't exist.

and?

>>130829408
>he said completely free markets
>COMPLETELY FREE MARKETS
>sure barely regulated markets would have similar traits


noooooooooooo

>>130829648
anything that doesn't produce the shit that McDonald's produces

>>130829697
So you're ok with movies, websites, and the like just going under because you're mad that brand recognition is a thing?

>>130828370
That we continue to whittle down our interaction with strangers to fewer and fewer minutes a week is making us isolated and weird. How well does anyone know their neighbors anymore in suburbia?

>>130829865
>movies

I meant TV

>>130829011
You can't completely avoid all logos no - you might meet a person who wears a Nike sweatshirt. But you can CHOOSE to ignore these symbols. If I see an email in my inbox saying "FREE VIAGRA", what am I going to do? Perhaps you would click on it - personally I'm going to ignore it.

Ignoring does not mean not seeing. It means ignoring. Not paying any attention to something.

>>130829112
>yeah but they don't, exactly
>which means the market is not competitive enough

How can you say that after seeing the graph?
It's an extremely competitive market, and if McDonald's drastically increased their prices or decreased their quality, most customers would switch.
People are happy with them for a number of reasons, e.g., convenience of location, unique food offerings, drive through time, etc.

>>130829865
>>130829920
yeah sure

>>130829963
do you really think McDonald's deserves the largest share of the Restaurant market when they have the lowest quality produce?

>>130829747
There's literally dozens of other places you can go to. My city is plastered with McDonald's billboards and even we have better local burger joints. Stop being a crybaby.

>>130829921
If you're walking on the street you can't ignore billboards, especially if they're animated. You will at least glance at them for a split second, that's just how we react to moving images biologically. And if you take a trip through town a few times a day, and glance at the dozens of repetitions of the same ad, you'll find that after a while you have internalized pretty much the entire advertising campaign.

>>130830091
They do because they found the balance between acceptable taste and affordability. If their food was really that bad, no one would eat there despite all the ads.

>>130830097
>Stop being a crybaby.
that's not an argument

>There's literally dozens of other places you can go to.

that's not the point. the point is that even with those other joints, the other joints don't get the share of the market they deserve based on the quality of their goods

in a competitive market, they would get their share based on their quality

that's my entire argument

>>130830303
>If their food was really that bad, no one would eat there despite all the ads.

well there's a big fucking claim

>>130823793
I seriously fucking hate people like you. Open your eyes. Our society is SICK. You are SICK. Jesus fucking christ.

>>130829697
>the more socialized a country is, the worse it gets
>the more economically free the country, the better off it is

Basically just like saying:

>socialism doesn't work but full communism will because it's completely pure.

Oppositely

"Free markets work very well, even with barely any regulations, but if you drop every regulation, it will go to hell"


Also, many of those countries listed have several sectors that are completely unregulated aside from a low tax and do not have anti-trust legislation (or historically did not), and failed to amass into tyrannical corporate monopolistic entities as the polack seems to imply.

>>130830372
It's literally true. Their food is by no means good, but people are clearly ok with it enough to keep going there. It's cheap and it's ok.

>>130830329
Your argument misses how the restaurant industry works. The biggest chains will always be the ones that can churn out acceptable food the cheapest. People like cheap shit.

>>130830585
you can't just generalize all policy while ignoring their purpose

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>>130822230
(((Capitalism))) was a mistake

>>130826362
Never said it's a bad thing.In fact If agree that it's what naturally arises from a free market. But not PARTICIPATING in it isn't an "affront" to the market, that's ridiculous. I think you'd better change your flag.

>>130822230
It was a plan. Through it many bloodlines are sealed in their path to destruction.

>>130830286
You can choose to ignore them like I keep saying, please stop spewing this "I'M CONTROLLED, THE BIG CORPORATIONS ARE CONTROLLING ME" bullshit, YOU'RE A FUCKING FREE AGENT, ACT LIKE ONE

>>130830581
>blaming the state of society instead of taking responsibility for your problems
Weak. Never gonna make it.

>>130822230

Incorporation was a mistake.

>>130829233
Degeneracy would have a negative value attached to it, and people would go out of their way to avoid your property. Nobody but a madman would intentionally lower the value of his property.

Furthermore, UNRESOLVED sound wave intrusion that's been going on for weeks would adversely affect the operation of and value of neighboring properties, giving them the right to sue for money-damages, to resolve the conflict.
If they would continue to blast it, it would be an affront on the NAP and the surrounding property owners would accost the owner of said property.

>>130822230
Yes. And ancaps are retarded to think that unbridled capitalism leads to anything but the lowest common denominator.

>>130830303
>espousing the idea that every consumer is equal

kill yourself

>>130827924
Then go to to Nascar, and impose that by force.
pro-tip: You'll need to carry guns.
pro-tip2: They'll oppose you, with guns also. Good luck commie faggot.

>>130830741
Choosing not to participate is fine. However, this does not mean ads would go away. Most people would still continue to buy and sell ads.

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https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Bernays_Propaganda_in_english_.pdf

interesting read
if you're not already limiting your media consumption and haven't stopped watching television you should probably go and do that

>>130831152
Of course.

>>130830929
>>blaming the state of society instead of taking responsibility for your problems
The two can exist separately. I do take responsibility for my own problems, and I'm fixing them to the best of my ability. That does not mean our society is healthy in any fucking way. Really, look around you. See the people on the street, the buildings, the culture. What does it look like? It's absolutely disgusting. If you can't see this you're just a brainwashed normie like the rest of them. Get a grip, you're completely delusional.

>>130831123
Obviously not, but what I said applies to the largest group of people. There is such a thing as the average consumer.

>>130830998
Ignore the last sentence if you are looking for how these issues would be resolved in a contemporary capitalist society rather than an AnCap one. I feel many AnCaps get lost in hypotheticals with the NAP which is isn't conducive.

>>130830929
>You can choose to ignore them like I keep saying
I'm trying my best but having to consciously ignore shit all the time is pretty irritating.

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American will fuck up literally everything for they allow their jews to lay hands on every aspect of their country.
A

>>130830998
>Degeneracy would have a negative value attached to it, and people would go out of their way to avoid your property. Nobody but a madman would intentionally lower the value of his property.
My bad, I though we were talking about contemporary western society, not ancap lala-land.

>>130830091
Yes because capitalism isn't a zero sum game. Nobody is losing out from their success.

Obesity would not be a problem in an economically free society because unfit people would be very undesirable compared to fit ones as potential employees.
As it exists now in most countries, you cannot discriminate on employees for most jobs on the basis of physical appearance.

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>>130831730
FUCKING

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>>130831809
SHAME

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Reminder that ancaps are subhumans

>>130831770
This still is true for contemporary Western society, especially for businesses and of private individuals not subsidized by the state. The only people you see boom-boxing without repercussion are those living in section 8 housing.

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go plant a tree retard. pic related

>>130831809
Man that shit looks comfy AF desu. How did humanity fuck up so bad?

>>130822903
NASCAR with with religious symbolism in place of the beer ads would be pretty awesome, even if blasphemous.

>>130831730
Our country was built by Jews from the first brick. So was our entire western civilization. This is just the natural result of the rise and fall of civilization.

To be fair, Rockefeller was a shit person and he allowed his family to become the ultimate Jews so he deserved it

>>130832001
There are laws against displaying certain things, in which case "attention of" trumps "property of", this is completely separate from any free-market incentives.

>>130831730
>>130831809
>a fucking shame
Little has changed except as society progressed technologically, so did the advertisements and the ability to place them. lol, you can see advertisements in both of these pictures on other buildings, including billboards.

>>130829870
Only my older neighbors will hold a conversation with me. Everyone under the age of 40 just seems to want to be left alone. It's sad really. I love striking up a conversation with a neighbor or even a stranger.

>>130826362
Coersion doesn't only exist legally, companies can work to put economic, social, and psychological pressure on you to buy their stuff. In my opinion that's just as bad as legal coercion.

>>130832748
BUT THINK OF THE MCFREEDOM

>>130832748
None of this is done is facilitated through use of force or threat thereof and only low IQ people will fall under most of the factors you've described.

>>130832748

No its not.

People can defend against that shit if the law moves against them its rebellion or get fucked.

Also thing like psychological manipulation are falling apart as people unknowingly grow immune over time.

>>130823793
>free
Being constantly hounded under the thraldom of consumerism and hedonism is not what I would call 'free'

>>130823320
that's how small time drivers can afford 5-6, $400,000+ cars though.

>>130832348
It's not just about advertising. It's the fact that a beautiful neo-classical building with its ornate facade was deliberately destroyed. That's the problem with you fucking (((AnCaps))), you know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Yes. It's at the source of a lot of our misery.

Our centre point tower in Sydney has been defiled by a Westfield sign. The Jew fuck.

>>130833456
Explicit force? No. But humans are social creatures, we crave acceptance from our 'tribe' or group. If companies have the right amount of power they can slowly work their product in to be accepted as part of our culture - and not owning that product would alienate most people from society.

One example is how apple make the image of their phones part of the forefront of modern culture, and (to some people) not owning one is a sign of social isolation and disconnect.

You personally might be intelligent enough to notice and avoid these cooperate coersion schemes, but I'm afraid to say the majority of the population is not that clever. Your average guy would easily and unknowingly fall for these tricks, which In my opinion, is a form of coersion.

>>130833632
>Also thing like psychological manipulation are falling apart as people unknowingly grow immune over time.
Oh never mind the brainwashing, you'll get used to it. Do you really think this argument is helping your case in any way?

>>130834452
Survival of the fittest.

>>130822230
Do the people on that building even have windows?

>>130822230
I think it's double plus good that we have thought regulation beacons that influence our wills to serve the economy. How would I know what to think if a huge percentage of the world GDP wasn't being used for advanced mind control techniques?

>>130822230
>finite resources

>>130834707
>Survival of the fittest

Well, I'd much rather look out for my fellow tribe/race than let them fall into poverty and degeneracy. That matters much more than individual profit to me, and I'm sure most people in any civilisation would feel the same.

>>130826173
Man, fuck women.

>>130834707
See, while you people apply survival of the fittest to individuals, we apply to races and tribes.

>>130822230
>Muh consumerism
>D-Degeneracy

If you think Consuming is somehow bad then fuck off to África , you will love it

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>>130822230
haha """consumerism,""" right

>>130836872
haha ""starvation""" right

>>130837102
>ancap
The adults are trying to talk here, champ.

>>130837474
>communist
>adult
Sure thing, pal.

>>130822230
Failing to implement proper building codes was a mistake that is semi-related to consumerism.

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/r9k/ doesn't think so and I trust their judgement ;)

https://youtu.be/KAExa9P7hME

>>130823340
This. The main problem America has is because puritans are faggots and can't appreciate art.

>>130837474
So what are you doing here?

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>>130832070
Jewish involvement in politics (marxism). Post-modernism, critical theory.

>>130823888
thats what a p2p coin is for. need to move away from the blockchain

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Yes. Consumerism is more of a threat than communism at the moment when it comes to threatening European and white culture. Unbridled capitalism will inevitably appeal to the most base traits of man in an effort to make as much profit off as many people as possible. Capitalism does not care about culture except as a vehicle for profit.

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>>130838421
>Consumerism is more of a threat than communism

>>130838514
It is. Communism acts as a permafrost for culture while consumerism destroys the real culture and replaces it with commercialised crap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3scgW-aghr4

>>130838421
Exactly this. The only thing that Capitalists hold sacred is money. No care for anything that makes us human: our race, our wellbeing, our society and our civilisation. To them, profit is the only God

>>130838514
I'd expect as much as a response from an an-cap. Tell me, where are the communists advocating for open borders? Oh, that's right, it's wealthy bankers, neoliberals, and globalist capitalists who are the primary instigators of such policies. And who are the people who drive the materialism which drives the atomization of our society and turns men into ambitionless beasts of consumption? Is George Soros a communist? Or is he a neoliberal, a financial speculator and wealthy technocrat? Is Macron a communist? When Israel, or the military-industrial complex drives the US to make war in the Middle East, which drives refugees in mass numbers into our homelands, is there any communism involved there? Don't be a fool.

>>130838514
As an addendum, I think a meritocracy is the natural state for man, and market societies are the optimal environment for such a system, but there is a difference between consumerism, a system of gluttony and excess which prioritizes the accumulation of wealth over things like spirituality, society, and kin, and any system which delegates awards according to merit.

>>130839109
Anclapism is a liberal concept so don't expect to hear anything favourable towards the white race and Christianity from them.

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It wasn't a mistake. It was a carefully calculated Jewish trick.

>>130838939
>Communism acts as a permafrost for culture while consumerism destroys the real culture and replaces it with commercialised crap.
The only positive thing of lolmunism unfortunately

>>130822230
Yes

>>130839611

Liberal concept, nigga what? Never met a liberal in favor of smaller/no government.

>>130839109
>Tell me, where are the communists advocating for open borders?

Communism has failed as an ideology and all communists are now under encompassed under the "new left", precisely the people that you described.
All of them are not for the free market but are in fact statists trying to manipulate the state in their favor, not the market.
Governments and politicians, drive nations to war, not the free market.

>>130839870
Liberal in the sense of classical liberalism originating from Locke and such.

>have literally the best adspace in the fucking world at Times Square
>he wouldn't rent out electric billboards to corporations and make like $50,000 a day

>>130823340
>>130837754
Literally Tumblr arguments

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>>130839870
Do they believe church and state should be separated? Yes. Are all people born equal? Yes according to them. Are they liberals? Yes.

>>130840232
Found the triggered prottie.

>>130840323
>Yes. Are all people born equal? Yes
Meanwhile the guy who wrote "all men are created equal" in the Declaration of Independence owned hundreds of slaves and only ever freed two of them cause he had (((debt))) problems. The American "liberal" welfare state may as well trace its origins to Thomas Jefferson since they're so concerned about securing equality and debt relief.

>>130839980
>new left
>Macron
>wealthy bankers
>neoliberals
You do what the communists do when they say 'this isn't real communism';
>this isn't real capitalism

These are people, who use capitalism as a tool, to bring profit for themselves, at the cost of European countries. Governments and politicians drive war because they can utilize the free market to profit of war via the military industrial complex, oil, and the suppressing effect refugees have on wages.
And what does this utopian free market have to offer anyway? In a society where the power vacuum left by the state is filled by private corporations who exist for profit, do you think they will do any better a job of preserving European traditions or culture? Unbridled capitalism as a system is not even desirable in theory because it has no place for culture, spirituality, or kin. These are things that are not profitable and should not be denigrated by profit in the first place. An-cap is a meme ideology on par with socialism.

>>130838514
>muh commie ghosts

When is the last time you met a fucking communist, you retarded teenager?

>>130840968
>>new left
>>Macron
>>wealthy bankers
>>neoliberals

All of their objectives require state intervention to be realized. They do not propose a lessening of government but an increasing of it.
Hence why they are statists and therefore anti-capitalist at the end of the day.

>>130841126
It is a failed ideology, so never. However, communism hasn't gone away, it's been absorbed into the new left.
Consumerism is simply the free market at work.

>>130841549
>Consumerism is simply the free market at work.

Then what further information do you need.

>>130841549
>presence of any state is anti-capitalist
That's just silly. You can have a state and a capitalist economy. Like I said, you're playing the
>that's not true ___
game that the communists play.

>Consumerism is simply the free market at work.

Just another reason why the idea of unchecked capitalism without some sort of societal oversight is absolutely undesirable.

>>130822230

>Was consumerism a mistake?

I don't think there was any way to avoid it. Technology brought people from the fields to the cities (which completely shifted people's perception of their place in the world and set off a chain-reaction of shifting attitudes, perceptions, and values). There was a keen sense of wealth and poverty that resulted. But, as the system produced more wealth, and comfort, and ease... all the people who felt the sting of poverty for generations saw an opportunity to claim a piece of the pie (and give it to their children). This became the runaway phenomenon known as consumerism.

How could it have been avoided? And how could it be stuffed back in the bottle again? Your question casts it as a decision. But it was more an inevitable chain of cause and effect.

>>130841961
>presence of any state is anti-capitalist

First of all, these were not my words.

>You can have a state and a capitalist economy.

You can be a statist and a capitalist at the same time as well, which is exactly my point. Most of their ill-intentions arise not because they are economically more or less "capitalists" but because they are statists and wish to use the government for a specific end that ultimately intrudes on authors. Case in point, immigration, CO2 emissions regulations, et cetera.

>>130842876
>authors
fug meant to say,
others.

>>130822701
>the gov prints money
That's where you're wrong.
A private institution beholden to nobody but their shareholders is in control of the United States dollar.

>>130843719
Are you saying we are beholden to scum? Russian scum!

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>>130823793

Corporations have actively been developing techniques to control your desires and co-opt them to sell more products since the early 1900s. First they told us the free market would lead to a humanist utopia, through propaganda. The key to being a productive member of such a society was buying things. Then, when the narrative became that traditional values were repressive the corporations told us we could exercise our individuality...by buying things.

Our society fosters the consumerist mentality from the cradle to the grave, you can't just escape it without essentially declaring yourself an outcast for the rest of your life. The future will be run by international corporations who've consolidated power even more with the help of the trappings of a globalized society.

Nothing is real, everything is real. If the conundrum shatters your sense of self and you fall through the cracks, that's just how it has to be as long as the power structures aren't threatened.

>>130822903
Yes

>>130822230
Americans still buy what they see on TV
What a bunch of dumb goys....

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>>130824754
>it's an affront on the free market, therefore the free market is good
Please consider your logic better next time.

>>130845299
Of course the free market is good.

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>>130845496
>of course the free market is good, therefore the free market is good
Please consider your logic better next time.

>>130845618
It is an undeniable statement that I hold to be a priori true.

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>>130822230
>liking gaudy victorian oldshit
>he doesn't like neon lights
just decorate your house with your grandmothers furniture but that stuff looks like shit so you won't. Futurism is the way to go I don't want everything to look shitty and old in another half a century. East asian cities are so much nicer because all their buildings are more modern.

>>130846164
You're an idiot and your a priori "truths" are all false. I hold this statement to be axiomatically, self-evidently, a priori true.

>>130846566
I accept ad hominems as admissions of defeat :)

>>130830372
why the fuck would they? jesus you're fucking retarded

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>>130823793
Surprised nobody posted this already

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>>130846470
Disgusting glass. It doesn't say anything it doesn't remind of you the past glories or anything similar. Perfect mirror of the modern man.

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>>130846926
It's only an ad hominem if I say your a priori "truth" is false because you're an idiot. I implied no such thing. That you're an idiot is the argument. I accept ignorance of what an ad hominem actually is as admissions of defeat :)

>>130828658
>ice cream truck
>once a year

you people really are deprived

>>130823793
I fucking hate this mentality. We live in a society, which means that what everyone else does also affects ME and MY family. Most people are dumb, most people are sheep, and they will follow whatever is flashy, is right in front of them, and promises them the pleasure that they're seeking. They NEED people to lead them in the right direction.

Fuck off with this 'rampant consumer culture'/communism false dichotomy.

>>130822230
it is capitalism at work. it is funny when you sheeps say "not true capitalism" and give it a different name. stay slave

>>130823340
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>>130822230
Consumers didn't put all that tacky shit up.

>>130822230
Current version started by a Jew.
http://www.apa.org/monitor/2009/12/consumer.aspx

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consumerism is some left wing non word

capitalism works
lower gov spending and get rid of laws n regulations
pay lawyers less
end public school

>>130822230

Money is a mistake. Too many industries exist and the rats are trying to find a way to stay afloat.

>>130856110
Capitalism is the reason niggers are in this country.

>>130856939
wrong

>>130856110
This
>>130856939
wrong

>>130823275
My guess is because the newer generations have never seen Times Square fucked by ads so it's normal and iconic to them.

>>130823549
underrated