Invasion of Poland Justified

Germans who were shot in Bromberg were part of german fifth column militia tasked to sabotage Polish forces in the rear. Three days after German nvasion they tried to capture the city by themselves but failed because of regular Polish army unit in the area.
After getting captured they were shot for espionage and treason

>inb4 allied lies, Brombergian Germans were good bois

>>130819742
If all those ritual murders of germans were the justification of invasion why didn't hitler mention them EVEN FUCKING ONCE? No speach? No private conversation? He didn't want germans know such a horrific monsters poles were?

>post truth
>buttmad Poles come in with their propaganda

Just lol. Keep fighting the good fight OP, the Fourth Reich will rise soon
>>130820701
Hitler never mentioned the Holocaust, probably because your people did it entirely and then blamed the Nazis

>>130820907
>Hitler never mentioned the Holocaust, probably because your people did it entirely and then blamed the Nazis
Then you should thank us, not germcucks.

>>130820436
OP's pic related is a 9 year old child, in an advance stage of decomposition.

>>130821057
You people are solely the reason Hitler is viewed negatively when he was literally the GOAT leader

>>130821232

Wrong, soviets were jews and they killed the polish elite at Katyn.

>>130821232
>the GOAT leader
Bitch couldn't even do anything about kikes and started a war he couldn't win.

>>130820436

>filthy pollack appears immediately to defend the barbarity of their ancestors

>>130820701

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZGeQoOw3Bc

Gee that was so fucking hard.

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>>130821080
So what?
Children were also used by resistance groups for communication, sabotage etc.

War is war, we couldn't tell, them they were rude, and forget

>>130821526
>look at him, defends barbarity of his ancestors
>Invasion of Poland justified

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>>130819742
>>130819742
>It's another "Hitler wuz an angel and sniffed flowers and shieeeet" thread.

That's the nature of Nazi - do shit, then bitch about "barbarians" doing shit to you.

Niggers of political spectrum. Based Bomber Harris was right.

>>130821526
>and he brings up danzing massacre even when OP saw it for what it was
Sur, we still eat german infants on easter morning. Raping german virgins is our favorite pastime. I'm nibbling on gray matter of german poet right fucking now. It's delicious!

>>130821702
stop killing children, its wrong okay?

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>>130822164
Then stop ARYAN children from being so delicious.

>>130822164
Germans slaughtered Polish children since first day of war

We kill one brat for conspiring and whole bunch of nazi apologists chimps out

The Poles started this whole thing

https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/wrsynopsis.html

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>>130822557
Of course we did. ARYAN BLOOD is the water of life we thirst for eternaly.

>>130819742
>be german
>live in poland

WHY?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

Poles didn't suffer significant population losses during word war two. Read this document:
https://codoh.com/library/document/1459/

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>>130821232
Kraut LARPer detected

Jozef Pilsudski GOAT leader forever faggot

>>130822831
Retard, Poland didn't exist before WW1 and the Germans living on that land were in Germany.

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>>130822750

I can also post interesting links, saboteur of the white race

http://www.bentoandstarchky.com/dec/nazijewmany.htm

>waaa land that has flopped hands for centuries has gone into the German hands right around the time (((human rights))) become popularized
>lmao lololo Germs deserved it that's war grow up war has no rules lmao
Keep on sipping that kool-aid and using the "Nazis hated us because we were Poles and were imperialist for the sake of imperialism" meme. It's about as useful as the 'we hate niggers because of their skin' bit.

>>130820701
If the holocaust was the justification for war why didn't the Allies mention it EVEN FUCKING ONCE No speach? No private conversation? He didn't want germans know such a horrific monsters poles were?

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>>130819742

>>130824315
>If the holocaust was the justification for war
It wasn't? Taking over france was a pretty solid justification. If hitler wasn't such a retarded mongoloid and didn't attack france which wasn't at all interested in war he could spare himself western front.

>>130824622
didnt france declare war on germany?

>>130824622

Polish education.

France declared war on Germany at the same time as Britain: September 3rd. They even invaded the Saarland but abandoned that idea to focus on defensive positions behind the Maginot Line.

>>130822395
Haha, Poland dont you take a single fucking refugee. Best country in Europe post 1950

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>>130819742
OP is forgetting that killing Germans is a righteous and pure deed. Because they are Europe's true enemy trying to destroy it.

>>130824315
It basically was though - the allied governments just didn't want the people to know it. The people would be angry if they knew that they were spilling their blood and impoverishing their countries for the sake of a bunch of kikes (who nobody even liked back then). The birth of an anti-semitic great power would have been disastrous for the banks.

>>130819742
There were no massacres before the invasion.
The only document that shows there were is from Reich's ministry of public enlightenment and propaganda without any solid proof.

Believing makes you just as a sheep as the German people in that time.
Hitler wanted war before he even rose to power.

saged

also kys naziboi.

>>130824966

The Pole is the one depicted as the one with the blond hair and blue eyes. Nice try, show us your real flag

>>130824861
>>130824774
And they didn't fucking done ANYTHING? They declared war becouse this was the deal with poland. But if hitler wasn't such a glory hound and spaz he could wait few weeks and offer them peace. And guess what, they would take it. French were in no way willing to die for gdansk.

>>130824315
Probably allies never believed it.

>>130825267
>le epic reddit spacing
xD

>>130825267
Bitch, himmler when he took zamosc as his residence complained how there are more aryans among the locals than in bavaria.

>>130825574
Source pls, I want to read this

>>130825312
>moving the goalposts this hard
You just did a 180 from "lmao don't declare war" to "well, they did some stuff".
I'll just point this doublethink out, too.
>USA declares war on the Japs
>Germans declare war to support their ally
>Wow, what a bunch of war-mongerers, supporting their allies and shiet (while the UK and France/Russia do the exact same and attack smaller nations like Iran, despite the fact that there was never an alliance between the Axis and Iran)
>Germany declares war on their temporary ally, the USSR
>wow, what a bunch of war-mongerers not supporting their allies
Damned if I do...

>>130825312
None of the Allied powers wanted peace with Hitler. War would've still occurred.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html

>>130824966
this. and this is why i hate hitler and natsocs. only a democratic republic where only white males and i guess east asians are okay to, above 25 who own property or pay income taxes should be able to vote. originally thats what the US was. also people under 25 can vote, only if theyre an enlisted member of military.

>>130822943
>25% population lost
>not much

>>130825312
Uhhh... he did? Several times actually. Apparently he offered to pay for all damages done to Poland and restore Western Poland (Minus Posen, West Prussia and Upper Silesia so basically Imperial German borders) but the allies were unresponsive as always and Stalin was putting pressure not to restore Poland because it would be 'against the spirit of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact' as he put it. But you are right that support for war over Danzig among the French and British populace was low.

>>130825312
now, im not an expert but it seems like poor advice to just ignore it when someone declares war on you

>>130825735
Are you retarded?

>>130825945
Respectfully, do you have a source or a speech where Hitler said this? I'd like to use that as an argument

>>130826138
Kill yourself natsoc newfag.
Spreading your inbred natsoc propaganda.

>>130826020
>>130825693
There was no fighting. French were sitting behind their line and waited for everything to be over. They declared the war to fulfill the obligations but actualy fighting was not in their plans. Fuck, if they actualy wanted to fight they could attack when most of german forces were fighting in poland. War would be over before the winter. They DIDN'T want to fight.

>>130826234
I do have a source of course. Richard Tedor's: Hitler's Revolution. You can download it via PDF or google drive. Very well written, foreign policy, tenants of National Socialism etc. He doesn't mention the Holohoax so not many people can just say he's a National Socialist in hiding. Also I don't think he's a supporter of Hitler but the way he writes he sounds nostalgic about it

>>130826405
>They declared the war to fulfill the obligations but actualy fighting was not in their plans.
Using the same argument, then, the declaration of war the Germans launched against the US was merely titular, too. They didn't really "mean" it!
But that's not what happens in reality. It isn't important what one "wanted" to be, but what actually happened. The war was declared because they wanted to attack: this extends to the Germans and the French. When you stop viewing the history from a cartoonishly evil Axis lens, then you can get somewhere.

>>130826405
They didn't want to fight of course, that is true. But saying they didn't fight is not entirely true although it might as well be. The French did initiate an invasion via bicycle of all things into the Saarland while the Germans were preoccupied in Poland but quickly abandoned that front to take defensive positions behind the Maginot Line. Also, how do you expect France to get troops to Poland? The speed of the advance made it impossible for France to make any landings along the small Polish coast.

>>130826509
Thanks, that book is actually on my reading list after I finish The Camp of the Saints and Revolt Against the Modern World

>>130826767
>behind the Maginot Line.
lol don't remind me ahahah

>>130826682
>The war was declared because they wanted to attack: this extends to the Germans and the French
Then why they DIDN'T attack? If they actualy did that in september hitler would be idead december. Germany was in no shape to fight a war of two fronts at the time. But no, ebil frenchies wanted to be clever about it and wait till he was at full capacity to attack them. Such a genius plan!

>>130826405
>could attack when most of german forces were fighting in poland
i dont remember but was the siegfried line active back then
also the frogs advanced a little,just about 3-10km and their best war trofy was capturing 40 bycicles

>>130826885
Are you French?

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>>130822395
>defends barbarity of his ancestors
>reverts to barbarity as rebuttal

literally slavs

>>130826682 >>130826767
Couldn't they at least go and fuck up German industrial base?

>>130826933
They did. I've mentioned it twice now. They invaded the Saarland but it amounted to nothing as they left shortly after. And they underestimated Germany just like Poland who laughed about rolling into Berlin in two weeks at the outbreak of war

>>130826767
>Also, how do you expect France to get troops to Poland?
Why would they? They could attack germany from the west. Open a second front. Germans wouldn't be able to split their forces and win on both fronts. If france actualy attacked as it promised war would take few months at most before fall of berlin.
French didn't want war and hitler was well aware of that before he attacked poland.

>>130827030
You have to remember that the Luftwaffe was the most advanced airforce in the world at the beginning of the war. Also, no one wanted to be first person to bomb someone because it would give moral legitimacy to their enemy.

>>130826933
>why didn't
Like I said, focus on what occurred instead of "well, why didn't this other thing that could occur, occur!"
You are basically admitting French involvement was titular and meaningless, only to necessitate British involvement.
>>130826966
Nope, I'm Russian

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>>130826950
>also the frogs advanced a little,just about 3-10km
Holy shit, yeah that changes everything. That totaly wasn't a token attack.

>>130826979
You call it barbarity, i call it a God given nature of an ETERNAL POLE. We are created and rised from the dirt to feast on ARYAN BLOOD.

>>130827173

The sheer speed of the initial German invasion scared the French and the British who couldn't believe such a thing was possible. They too, thought Poland would hold for a few months while France and Britain invaded from the West. Also remember that no one was ready for WW2, Poland, France, England, not even Germany was ready for WW2. France needed to plan and properly equip its men. After all, as I said France invaded the Saarland on bicycles! God damn bicycles, obviously that would not do. Also remember that Germany wasn't defenseless on the Western front. She still had a number of divisions placed there.

>>130827316
>You are basically admitting French involvement was titular and meaningless
Yes? That's exacly what happened. They DIDN'T want war. Hitler wanted war with france, france was perfectly happy to pretend to fulfil their obligations to poland for few months and then go back home.

>>130827597
>Also remember that no one was ready for WW2, Poland, France, England, not even Germany was ready for WW2
What, i thought that everyone was ready for the war! Otherwise why would they try to force it so soon on poor, innocent hitler who dindu nuffin?

>>130822118
Wait... How did Nasir end up in Poland? I thought Poland wasn't taking in any mozlems

>>130827648
Hitler did NOT want war with France at that time at least. He wished to avoid a two front war at all costs. Ribbentrop had assured him that France and Britain would not go to war over Poland. Apparently when Hitler got the news that GB and France declared war on him he turned to Ribbentrop and said: 'What now?' He wanted to avoid war with the West and immediately sent peace deals after Poland's capitulation.

>>130827648
>Yes? That's exacly what happened.
Okay. So why did they play along? Just to appease the suicidal Brits so they could lose their empire while simultaneously kvetch about imperialist Germany?

>>130827811
you just btfo'd yourselfe in your own post

>>130827922
>Apparently when Hitler got the news that GB and France declared war on him he turned to Ribbentrop and said: 'What now?'
He probably said "nigga u flippin".

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>>130825728

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>>130827483
God given nature of an ETERNAL POLE

>>130827234
Because that crippled Germany would be so scary.

>>130828093
Well, we need toilets. Not everyone evolved beyond them to shat in mart.
>>130828006
How exacly?

>>130827811

The democratic countries and their allies had been gearing up for war since 1936 at the earliest but no one was ready for war in 1939. Over half of Germany's divisions were fitted with WW1 veterans or fresh recruits, she didn't have all the tanks and trucks she required for war. Hitler did want war, but not with the West. Apparently 1942 would be the year for the showdown with the USSR and France may have had to have been taken out depending on the political situation at the time, according to Hitler.

>>130824032
Watch how (((both sides))) totally ignore this post to continue gleefully shitposting and spreading brotherly hate.

Will we ever learn?

>>130828289
Then he was just an idiot for assuming that both france and britain will refuse to take any, even a token effort to fulfill their obligations towards poland?

>>130822030
DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS

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>>130819742
Nobody cares

You got us we did WW2. So what?

cuckmany is a corpse raped by niggers and ran by Jews

Eternal Pole wins in the end

>>130828279
germany wasnt ready for war yet they still started one
whats stopping GB and france from wanting a war when they arent even ready for one?
also daily reminder that untill trumps presidency USA managed to fight and cause multiple wars while at the same time slowly disarming

>>130828254
That wasn't really the issue. Yes Germany would have been crippled but so would France's reputation on the international stage. The allies were according to their own propaganda were fighting a noble war so they had to act the part. And bombing civilians did not fit that image of the saintly allies. Until Germany bombed them first, they would not respond.

>>130828803
Was not fulfilling their obligations towards a supposed ally a lesser embarrassment on international scene?
Allies spend few previous years appeasing hitler with everything they could. They simply assumed he will take poland and be either satisfied or turn even more east.

>>130828637
Not an idiot. The thing you'll notice about Hitler is that he takes a lot of gambles and often says something about the Goddess of Fortune being on his side (Metaphorical of course) If you read any accounts of his thought processes from his Generals you'll see that they always said that he was a master opportunist. He believed that by having the Soviet Union invade Poland at the same time Britain and France would either be obligated to declare war on them both as aggressors or back down lest they combine German might with Soviet resources. Stalin tricked Hitler and invaded two weeks later (In reality, Stalin was really the smartest player of WW2) and this gave the allies the justification they needed to declare war on just Germany. Hitler took one gamble too many and it started a war with the west.

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>>130819742
I must say, truly outstanding research. I'm always delighted to see posts such as theese. Keep it up my fellow NatSoc. 88

>>130829307
stalins main fuckup was that he didnt invade romania when he had the chance thus denying oil supplies to germany

>>130829055
Well as I mentioned before, the French were not ready for war, no one was. You're also discounting the Westwall (Germany's Maginot Line) which was supposed to hold for about three to four weeks (The same amount of time it took Poland to fall) Going in then would have been as suicidal as the Germans attacking the Maginot.

>>130829307
>In reality, Stalin was really the smartest player of WW2
Easily. But that's largely due simply horrible work on US part. They more or less just handed him over half of europe.

>>130824315

In American schools at least the justification was Pearl Harbor and some passenger ship being sunk in the Atlantic by u boats.

This fits the kike narrative as the kike wants Americans to feel guilty for not going to war to save kikes but instead did it for their own interests.

Anyway the real reason American went to war against Germany is because in 1941 Americans were predominately of British Blood.

You war and bomb our cousins and yeah it is pretty easy to move us to back them up.

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>>130824032
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Pi%C5%82sudski
>Józef Piłsudski
>he was seen as a guarantor of stability and a friend of the Jewish people

HAHAHA, royal cucks were all pro-Jews, together with USA/UK. Most of them didn't even die in Poland, they weren't patriots, they were Zionists.
Lets see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicjan_S%C5%82awoj_Sk%C5%82adkowski
>general and politician who served as Minister of Internal Affairs and was the last Prime Minister of Poland before World War II.
>Religion Calvinism
>Died 31 August 1962 London, United Kingdom
>protested and campaigned against the Russification of Congress Kingdom (the Russian Partition) and the Germanization of the Prussian Partition of Poland.
>Składkowski's police force broke a communist rally at the Bank Square, Warsaw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacy_Mo%C5%9Bcicki
>President of Poland from 1926 to 1939
>Religion Roman Catholicism
>Died 2 October 1946 Versoix, Switzerland

He didn't defeated Marxists, he defeated Poland, by allowing Americans to create independent Poland in middle of German territory, which was begging for war.

Marxists were against independent Poland and the only ones against it in Poland:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Polish_Republic
>A month before Germany surrendered on 11 November 1918 and the war ended, the Regency Council had dissolved the Council of State, and announced its intention to restore Polish independence (7 October 1918).[citation needed] With the notable exception of the Marxist-oriented Social Democratic Party of the Kingdom of Poland and Lithuania (SDKPiL), most Polish political parties supported this move. On 23 October the Regency Council appointed a new government under Józef Świeżyński and began conscription into the Polish Army.

Early Anarcho-Communists were killing Jews as early as in 1900 in Poland:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bia%C5%82ystok_pogrom
>outbreaks against Jews between 1903 and 1908

>>130822831
Because poland is a made up country created from german, austrian and ukrainian lands to weaken those states

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>HAHA WAR IS WAR KRAUT DEAL WITH IT
>@
>B-BUT MUH KATYN!!!

>>130829552
Well he was aware that Hitler didn't approve of his annexation of Bucovina and Bessarabia from Romania and wanted to string him along for the time being. However if you listen to the conversation between Hitler and Finnish Marshall Mannerheim (The only recorded conversation ever of Hitler speaking naturally) he talks about how the Soviets had a few divisions lined up to strike against the Ploiesti Oil Fields and that it was fortunate he struck when he did because 'one or two divisions would have been all it took for the Soviets to completely deprive us of our fuel resources' according to Hitler. You can listen to it on Youtube.

>>130822030
>they thought they won't be hit
That's totally what they believed...

>>130829961
Reread the post. It makes no claims of Jewish support. In fact, I'm reading it over again now and the word 'Zionist' or 'Jew' does not appear once.
>citation needed
>he didn't defeat Marxists, he defeated Poland
WW1 was not about a war against Marxism.

>>130830229
yeah i listened it already the most memorable part is when hitler was shocked just how many tanks ussr had

>>130829666
True, but it's a fantastic what if scenario had Operation Unthinkable or Patton's word had been heeded. In all honesty, it was bad, but I think if the allies had attempted to remove the Soviets then the entire continent would have become communist and with all of Europe under Soviet control it might still be communist today (As in openly communist instead of low key EUSSR communist)

lol stay mad nazi kids
too bad you're all sucking muslim dicks right now and you can't and won't ever do shit lololo

btw even if that article is true you all deserved that kind of treatment or even worse one and still do you disgusting german pieces of shit

>>130830400
He probably just threw a copypasta at you, that's why it includes so much irrelevant info

>>130819742

You fuckers will twist anything to suit your agenda.

>>130830573
Well, they didn't need to outright attack soviets, this would be a suicide. But US could definity be tougher on them during negotiations. FDR screwed them royaly.

>>130830630
I like how he tossed in a pogrom near the end. You'll get no sympathy from me!

>>130830528
Yeah, apparently his intelligence informed him that there were something like, what 30-40 divisions in the entire Soviet Union. He found just that much in the Bialystok region just beyond Greater Germany's borders. But then again Canaris was a traitor and part of the 'resistance' to Hitler. He cost his country a world war that son of bitch.

>>130830400
There were no Marxists in power in Poland. Who did he defeat? Himself. Poland was ruled by allied victors of WW1, who designated Poland land for another war. There were no Marxists in power in Second Polish Republic, neither they were in power in Weimar Republic. Those two countries were democratic republics based on American democracy recipe. Polish politicians didn't fight anybody, especially not Marxists, they were selling out to Anglo and none of them was of Russian Orthodox religion or atheist.

>>130830773
How tough one can be really depends on whether or not you can back it up. FDR was a crypto Marxist who actually believed all that 'Uncle Joe' propaganda. Truman on the other hand saw right through him. But the Soviets had millions more men and equipment positioned in Europe. The allies at that time couldn't back up any threat they gave to the USSR

>>130830319
That's what Hitler believed, He was under the impression that if he flexed enough muscle, that the U.K. and the U.S. would back down and let him take what he wanted. Also didn't help that he was the final word of the military, hence his lunacy found in Operation Barbarossa.

>>130820701
It is cited in numerous places and acknowledged by historians that the nazi press did not publish Polish crimes against ethnic Germans until 1939 in an attempt to de-escalate the conflict.
This is well known by non-poles.
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=9E771390FC77F52D724EE3F36CFDA60C
The German Minority in Interwar Poland covers this, along with other problems ethnic Germans had with Poles, and each other, failure by the Polish government to act on its promises to Hitler to improve conditions for German speaking ethnics in the West Poland region, and riots against ethnic Germans and vandalism of their businesses and etc.

>>130819742
>just now figuring out Hitler was right
First day on /pol/?

>>130830894
The image doesn't make reference to him being a Marxist, though. Or the power structure being tilted towards Marxists.
There were attempts to prop up Marxist-sympathetic regimes in the Weimar Republic. There were revolutions fought, in case you missed out.
Your own sources don't even support this, by the way. They just cite pogroms, how he was a friend to Jews, and history of other leaders. Nothing about... the actual conflict you're making statements on.

>>130831165
What? Hitler had no pretenses that the allies would strike at Germany if he struck at them, that's completely illogical. The mistake he made (And he'd make this one multiple times) was putting too much misguided trust in his friends, such as Goering who assured him that no allied bomber could hit Germany. And as for Operation Barbarossa, his intelligence literally lied outright to him and gave him the impression that the USSR was MUCH weaker than it actually was. If the USSR's military and industrial capabilities was what Hitler actually thought it was then it would have been a cake walk. It wasn't and it cost him dearly

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oh it's this thread again

fuck off germanboo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mMiy417aIc

>>130831358
Thanks for this link.

>>130831165
Well, allies giving him everything he wanted up this point didn't persuade him to think otherwise. You want to build military even when we said not to? SURE! Wanna half of czechoslovakia? You get it! Wanna take the other half? No problem!

>>130823328
GOAT?

>LOOK AT THIS FORGED PHOTO BRO
Yeah nah you rancid cunt. Hitler invaded shit for Lebensraum. He literally outlines his plans in Mein Kampf you dense faggot.
>inb4 Mein Kampf is Jewish forgery

>>130831676
I believe it is an acronym for Greatest of all Time.

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>>130831676
>>130831870
No, poles are actualy goat-people. We just hide it really well.

>>130831802
You should actually go read Mein Kampf. The parts about Lebensraum are a lot more complex than take a bunch of land, and he even outlines the importance of keeping lands ethnically homogeneous.

>>130832025
Kek

>>130831626
There's also a book called "100 documents on the origins of the war" here:
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/100_Documents_On_The_Origin_Of_The_War-Selected_From_Official_German_White_Book-1939-254pgs-POL.pdf
Which is all taken from the official German white book, and reinforces many of the facts put forth in the book: Poles rioted, vandalized german properties, Germans were disenfranchised, polish govt didn't resolve anything when they said they would take action, and that the nazi press covered it up until 1939 for the purpose of deescalating the conflict.

>>130831802
>Muh evil Lebensraum

'Lebensraum' is often intentionally exaggerated by those wanting to push the fractal "Hitler planned to exterminate all races" meme. The actual meaning of Lebensraum referred to the security of the German borders, and the need to provide living space so that Germans aren't threatened by outside forces. To claim that "living space" meant solely "to exterminate and re-populate more land than there would have been Germans to inhabit, for several generations after the war" is absurd, and contradicts the policies of "Germanization" that were ACTUALLY PRACTICED by the Germans

>>130819742
Massacres of native Germans took place AFTER the invasion, dickhead.

Also see: >>130820701

>>130820907
why do you think you knw more than a polish person about what happened in Poland?

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>>130825267
You stupid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TBiFbMue68

>>130831802
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum

I know Metapedia is biased but this is a great article.

>>130832096
Additionally, why do people always use Mein Kampf as the penultimate testimony of Hitler's intentions. He wrote that while he was in prison, ready to give up on the movement in 1924. Can opinions not change in over ten years, especially when you go from an inmate to the dictator of a country and realize these things don't just happen and that politics is a lot more complicated than you could imagine. He also said Jews would be hanging from lamp posts until they decayed as soon as he got into power but that also didn't happen did it.

>>130832288
Then why were the bodies so decomposed, retard? We've already been through this

>>130832288
Yeah I don't know of any massacres. There is a lot to the conflict, but I have never found any reliable source saying Germans were being massacred.

>>130832408
When were photos taken? By who? What proof do we have what they actualy depict?

>>130832142
Ah yes, the White Book. I was going to mention that. It was intentionally translated in English badly so people wouldn't understand it in America and Britain where it was badly needed.

>>130831486
Hitler and Stalin removed church from power. Hitler wasn't a fan of Poland, he wasn't anti-Communist, else he wouldn't sided with Stalin. He would side with Poland and keep your church gold and priests. Why would Hitler love anybody who tried to get his clay?
>There were revolutions fought, in case you missed out.
In case you missed that revolution didn't give power to Communists
In case you missed Hitler removed monarchy from power, Poland on other hand always supported monarchy and Popes. In middle east you got Islamic revolution, nothing to do with Communism.

>>130832470
I personally don't refer to what occurred as 'massacres', I usually just say 'ethnic conflict'. I admit that the Germans exaggerated the deaths

>>130832408
Again, those are from DURING the invasion retard.

>>130832574
>hitler removed monarchy
wat?

>>130832520
It's something I haven't investigated deeply. The books I linked above are good resources I suggest you download, but I haven't even read through them all yet.

>>130832487
The autopsy info is at the bottom of the OP image

>>130832574
>In case you missed Hitler removed monarchy from power
wat

>>130832520
>intentionally translated poorly
Typical.

>>130832687
The bodies were extremely decomposed. They were clearly killed prior to the invasion, otherwise they wouldn't be decaying that badly

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>>130832743
What proof do we have of that said info isn't made up? That's even less reliable than holocaust proofs.

It was still stupid, Hitler should have known better than to tear the white world apart over some nationalistic feud at a time when the colored races were just about to find their strength.

Israel existing?
South Africa being under black rule?
French Indochina and the Dutch East Indies no longer existing?
Hong Kong and Macau (and China itself) under communist rule?

Yeah all this bullshit is ultimately Hitler's fault. If he had any sense he would have tried to unite the civilized world to steel itself against communist aggression rather than being a stupid nigger piece of shit and invading Western Europe and Poland over clay

sage

sage

sage

>>130832574
Hitler was extremely anti-communist and the alliance with the USSR killed him on the inside. But pragmatism has to be adopted every now and again in politics to achieve the results you want. Ideological purity, while desirable, can only take you so far. In any case, Hitler invaded the USSR less than two years later so I don't know how you can not call him an anti-communist. Hitler removed the power of the church, Stalin just removed the church. Big difference. Hitler didn't remove the monarchy from power either. they were long gone in both Germany and Austria by the time he came to power.

>>130832574
>he wasn't anti-Communist, else he wouldn't sided with Stalin.
Read Mein Kampf. Or literally any speech at the time. The futility of the alliance (due to rifts caused by ideological divisions) became evident when with Operation Barbarossa. Allying with one nation with differing political/economic beliefs does not make you adhere to those beliefs.
>Hitler and Stalin removed church from power.
I thought Hitler operated closely with the Catholic Church? It was the Old Bolsheviks who removed the clergy and all that.
>He would side with Poland and keep your church gold and priests.
The Poland that just received all the land he was writing about in Mein Kampf, for lebensraum? The one that he tried to strike up deals with in the image you "read"?
>In case you missed that revolution didn't give power to Communists
Except that was not the assertion. The assertion was that revolutions were attempted, not that they were successful. But let's keep on bending the knee and never naming the issue, though.
>In middle east you got Islamic revolution, nothing to do with Communism.
>that diversion
What the hell does that have to do with anything?

>>130832855
How do we know for sure when were photos taken? How do we know who they depict?
As far as i'm concerned it might be a chineese child killed in the late '44 by japanese soldiers.

>>130832717
>>130832769
What is Anschluss?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Rothschild,_2nd_Baron_Rothschild
>a British banker
>As an active Zionist he worked to formulate the draft declaration for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
>Lord Rothschild draft 18 July 1917[ 1. His Majesty’s Government accepts the principle that Palestine should be reconstituted as the national home of the Jewish people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Austria
>Between 1848 and 1938, the Jewish Austrian population enjoyed a period of prosperity beginning with the start of regime of Franz Joseph I of Austria as the Emperor of the Austria–Hungary Empire, and dissolved gradually after the death of the emperor up to the annexation of Austria to Germany by the Nazis, a process that led to the start of the Holocaust in Austria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Joseph_I_of_Austria
>The emperor and his grand nephew and heir to the throne Otto von Habsburg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Habsburg
>Crown Prince of Austria, Hungary, Bohemia, Dalmatia, Croatia, Slavonia[1][2] Galicia and Lodomeria
>Hitler personally revoked the citizenship of Otto, his mother and his siblings, and the imperial-royal family found themselves stateless.
>Following the German annexation of Austria, Otto was sentenced to death by the Nazi regime; Rudolf Hess ordered that Otto was to be executed immediately if caught.
>During his wartime exile in the United States, Otto and his younger brothers were in direct contact with President Franklin D. Roosevelt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt
>In October 1937, Roosevelt gave the Quarantine Speech aiming to contain aggressor nations.
>World War II
>Later he was a strong supporter of the EU
>Otto has been described as one of the "architects of the European idea and of European integration" together with Robert Schuman, Konrad Adenauer, and Alcide De Gasperi.

>>130833142
>I thought Hitler operated closely with the Catholic Church?
Not really. He was pushing for positive christianity which both catholics and protestants found highly heretical. Just like a alliance with stalin, one with church was an alliance of convenience.

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>>130824390
Saving this one. Have mine aswell.

Next war, we shall do more than just kicking them out.

>>130832942
Literally what? The colored races were NOT anywhere near gaining power. They were still firmly under the boot of European empire as was yours under Japan.

And I hate this stupid idea everyone on /pol/ has that they can apply our ideas and morality to the 1930's and 40's. Where was Britain's solidarity with muh h'white brothers? Or France's, who was actually importing niggers into Europe, but no one says anything about that do they. Or maybe based Russia with based uncle Joe Stalin, maybe they should have shown more 'white solidarity'. Europeans biggest enemies have always been each other.

And finally, he went to war with Poland over clay. The WEST went to war with HIM over economics.

>>130833331
well be more specific next time and how the austrian monarchy is even related to this discussion,natsoc never claimed to support monarchism?

>>130833153
Because they performed autopsies. It is unreliable because we're lacking documentation from that time period, but the invasion was still justified and Polish reports even documented attacks against the Germans prior to the invasion.
https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/wrsynopsis.html

>>130833380
But didn't he work with and gain support from the Pope and the Catholic Church?

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>>130819742
Let's go bit by bit.
> For centuries the Poles have been taught from early childhood on that Germans were evil...
Maybe the Teutonic Knights autistically murdering Catholic Poles in Pomerania, Austria and Prussia partitioning Poland after they saved Europe from the Turks, blockading our exports/imports during the Soviet War, and Hitler destroying Warsaw has something to do with us not looking kindly upon Germans.
>Then Polish Prime Minister Lech Walesa made his feelings towards his German neighbors publicly known: "I do not even shrink from a statement that is not going to make me popular in Germany: if the Germans destabilize Europe anew, in some way or other, then partition is no longer what will have to be resorted to, but rather that country will have to be erased from the map, pure and simple."
First of all Walesa is a massive faggot, but he's not wrong when he says the Germans always destabilize Europe (Sack of Rome, Reformation, needlessly declaring war on France in 1914, and worst of all, making any ideology to the right of Christian Democracy taboo).
>Here is the text of another Polish-Catholic war song which was sung in 1848 at the Pan-Slavic Congress in Prague:
"Brothers, take up your scythes! Let us hurry to war!
Again, when you partition a country, the natives are not going to be friendly to you, downy.
>As this map shows, Polish chauvinism literally knows no bounds.
This map showed the greatest extent of westward of the Polish crown. No nationalist seriously claimed that Prague was a Polish city.

>>130833331
But the Hapsburgs were not ruling Austria at the time. There was no Monarchy to remove. Austria was a fascist dictatorship at the time.

>>130833142
Mein Kampf was released by Allied troops as propaganda after the war.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hitlers-mein-kampf-becomes-german-bestseller-publisher-112022916.html
>The Institute of Contemporary History of Munich (IfZ) said around 85,000 copies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Zeitgeschichte
>The Institut für Zeitgeschichte ("Institute of Contemporary History") in Munich was conceived in 1947 under the name Deutsches Institut für Geschichte der nationalsozialistischen Zeit ("German Institute of the History of the National Socialist Era"). Founded by the German government and the State of Bavaria at the suggestion of the Allied Forces

So you telling me i should trust these guys:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification
>The Information Control Division of the US Army had by July 1946 taken control of 37 German newspapers, six radio stations, 314 theaters, 642 cinemas, 101 magazines, 237 book publishers, and 7,384 book dealers and printers.[34] Its main mission was democratization but part of the agenda was also the prohibition of any criticism of the Allied occupation forces.
???
They didn't hide the fact that they tried to rewrite history and create propaganda for new EU.

>>130833153
By the way, I always extend this argument to the lollercaust. It's great to watch them squirm because not only is the body count insufficient, most cases, an investigation/exhumation report cannot be produced.

>>130833630
He's not going to be specific because he's spamming copypastas that contain irrelevant information.

>>130832855
You don't know jack shit. I've looked at many of those same pictures and they are were even dated for September while not being badly decomposed.

P.S. That specific description, top kek, how did they know it was by a "Polish military unit" and if they know then which? This is such BS.
These is clear Nazi propaganda.

>>130833707
>Mein Kampf was released by Allied troops as propaganda after the war.
Okay, so all we need to do is find a copy of the book before the war broke out. Oh wait...

>>130833630
Can you even read retard? I told you everything.

>>130833793
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Rothschild,_2nd_Baron_Rothschild
>a British banker
>As an active Zionist he worked to formulate the draft declaration for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
>Lord Rothschild draft 18 July 1917[ 1. His Majesty’s Government accepts the principle that Palestine should be reconstituted as the national home of the Jewish people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Austria
>Between 1848 and 1938, the Jewish Austrian population enjoyed a period of prosperity beginning with the start of regime of Franz Joseph I of Austria as the Emperor of the Austria–Hungary Empire, and dissolved gradually after the death of the emperor up to the annexation of Austria to Germany by the Nazis, a process that led to the start of the Holocaust in Austria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Joseph_I_of_Austria
>The emperor and his grand nephew and heir to the throne Otto von Habsburg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Habsburg
>Crown Prince of Austria, Hungary, Bohemia, Dalmatia, Croatia, Slavonia[1][2] Galicia and Lodomeria
>Hitler personally revoked the citizenship of Otto, his mother and his siblings, and the imperial-royal family found themselves stateless.
>Following the German annexation of Austria, Otto was sentenced to death by the Nazi regime; Rudolf Hess ordered that Otto was to be executed immediately if caught.
>During his wartime exile in the United States, Otto and his younger brothers were in direct contact with President Franklin D. Roosevelt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt
>In October 1937, Roosevelt gave the Quarantine Speech aiming to contain aggressor nations.
>World War II
>Later he was a strong supporter of the EU
>Otto has been described as one of the "architects of the European idea and of European integration" together with Robert Schuman, Konrad Adenauer, and Alcide De Gasperi.

>>130833674
Kind of but not really. Again, allience of convinence. Most germans were christian so he tried to have good relations with church while having himmler and ss performing pagan rites. Church on the other hand was scared of communists which nazis hated.

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>>130819742
>Violently invading Poland, destroying Polish cities, and killing over 2 million non-Jewish poles is justified because some Poles were mean to Germans
Guess what, Germans had treated Poles like shit for decades before

You cannot claim the Germans had the moral high ground when they did the exact same shit to Poles, Jews, Russians, Ukrainians, and other people

>>130833875
This isn't relevant to Poland and their relationship w/ the Germans.

>>130833680
>and worst of all, making any ideology to the right of Christian Democracy taboo
Sorry but whenever someone says this I immediately know that they're not worth listening to, regardless of how factual the rest of your post is.

>>130833751
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Rothschild,_2nd_Baron_Rothschild
>a British banker
>As an active Zionist he worked to formulate the draft declaration for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
>Lord Rothschild draft 18 July 1917[ 1. His Majesty’s Government accepts the principle that Palestine should be reconstituted as the national home of the Jewish people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Austria
>Between 1848 and 1938, the Jewish Austrian population enjoyed a period of prosperity beginning with the start of regime of Franz Joseph I of Austria as the Emperor of the Austria–Hungary Empire, and dissolved gradually after the death of the emperor up to the annexation of Austria to Germany by the Nazis, a process that led to the start of the Holocaust in Austria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Joseph_I_of_Austria
>The emperor and his grand nephew and heir to the throne Otto von Habsburg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Habsburg
>Crown Prince of Austria, Hungary, Bohemia, Dalmatia, Croatia, Slavonia[1][2] Galicia and Lodomeria
>Hitler personally revoked the citizenship of Otto, his mother and his siblings, and the imperial-royal family found themselves stateless.
>Following the German annexation of Austria, Otto was sentenced to death by the Nazi regime; Rudolf Hess ordered that Otto was to be executed immediately if caught.
>During his wartime exile in the United States, Otto and his younger brothers were in direct contact with President Franklin D. Roosevelt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt
>In October 1937, Roosevelt gave the Quarantine Speech aiming to contain aggressor nations.
>World War II
>Later he was a strong supporter of the EU
>Otto has been described as one of the "architects of the European idea and of European integration" together with Robert Schuman, Konrad Adenauer, and Alcide De Gasperi.

>>130833821
no you just rambled some shit that germany removed austrian monarchy wich has nothing to do with our current discussion

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>>130833680
>Maybe the Teutonic Knights autistically murdering Catholic Poles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutonic_takeover_of_Danzig_(Gdańsk)

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>>130833933
Yes sure, it's irrelevant than throne holder of Europe lost power with Ansluss and he escaped to USA where they declared war with Germany and tried to seized waters of Japan and Italy which then made them enter Hitler side. Totally irrelevant, what is relevant is you finding some cross with swastika from year 1950.

>>130833680
Can we stop with this forced meme that the German states are the eternal destabilization force of Europe. It's as if every other European country is just sitting by peacefully, minding their own business and then the Germans just come along thinking how to mess Europe up this time. It's stupid and unproductive.

>>130819742
I don't understand your point, germans aren't human, it's like skinning a chicken, what's the big deal?

>>130833466
Here's some reading material for you.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/37408/37408-h/37408-h.htm
--
Lenine’s Chinese “braves” are merely symptomatic of the intrigues which Bolshevism is carrying on throughout the non-white world. Bolshevism is, in fact, as anti-racial as it is anti-social. To the Bolshevik mind, with its furious hatred of constructive ability and its fanatical determination to enforce levelling, proletarian equality, the very existence of superior biological values is a crime. Bolshevism has vowed the proletarianization of the world, beginning with the white peoples. To this end it not only foments social revolution within the white world itself, but it also seeks to enlist the colored races in its grand assault on civilization. The rulers of Soviet Russia are well aware of the profound ferment now going on in colored lands. They watch this ferment with the same terrible glee that they watched the Great War and the fiasco of Versailles—and they plot to turn it to the same profit.
Accordingly, in every quarter of the globe, in Asia, Africa, Latin America, and the United States, Bolshevik agitators whisper in the ears of discontented colored men their gospel of hatred and revenge. Every nationalist aspiration, every political grievance, every social discrimination, is fuel for Bolshevism’s hellish incitement to racial as well as to class war.
--
Ironically, Hitler himself read and praised this book. But clearly, he failed to take the obvious message to heart.

>>130834185
>It's as if every other European country is just sitting by peacefully, minding their own business and then the Germans just come along thinking how to mess Europe up this time

But that's pretty much literally what they keep doing, wehraboofriend

>>130833922
Yeah, I'm not stating that they were butt buddies. I'm responding to the guy's point, which is as follows: Hitler and Stalin removed church from power.
I don't think that's accurate even if they had a shoddy alliance that was only titular.
>>130833923
Who's claiming they had the high ground? A reason for the war was the pendulum swinging back towards the Germans (in regards to territorial claims) just the same time as human rights came to be the fad. Nobody is claiming either side is moral: that's the entire point, to look at this pragmatically and acknowledge things outside of a biased lens of "evil Germans eating babies". It was lawless murder of man, which is war because war has no rules. You are attacking a strawman. Also demonstrate the biased nature when the German response is compared to "Poles being mean". It's the "we dindu nuffin but you are guilty of our crimes" mentality you attempt to avoid. You are just shifting the moral high ground, not removing it.

>>130834307
How did he fail to take this message to heart? The Soviets planned to take advantage of the oppressed state of the colored peoples of the world to turn them to Communism (As they did) and Hitler struck at their heart which it more than can be said for the allies who actively aided the Red Beast and who were so shocked it couldn't be trusted after it got what it wanted.

>>130834185
>It's as if every other European country is just sitting by peacefully, minding their own business and then the Germans just come along thinking how to mess Europe up this time.
Correction.

Most other European countries ignored Germany and just traded with them while Germans spread like a plague and declared all newly-settled land as "MUH ETERNAL GERMANIC CLAY" prompting invasions from various German states.

>>130834456
Then Napoleon was guilty of the same imperialism and conquest. Only difference between attitude towards Jews was that he emancipated the Jews.
Extending the same argument, we can use it against the Japanese, too. But that is super productive, though.

>>130834456
This is either terrible bait or you literally have no knowledge of European history which is also very possible considering your flag. And I don't have to be a 'wehraboo' to know that it's extremely unfair to blame the Germans for everything that has ever gone wrong for Europe and make out everyone else to be perfect little angels.

>>130828325
no, and i'm afraid this hate is too ingrained.

>>130834456
>being this ignorant of european history.

maybe stop masturbating to your under aged gook hookers for a second and read an actual book every once in a while.

>>130820436
Kys subhuman

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>>130834185
M8 when you stop with the meme that started this thread that has no evidence I'll stop with mine that has been proven time and time again.

>>130834654
>invades Poland, splits the country with the USSR
>invades Western Europe

Yeah great way to fight communism there...

Why didn't Hitler try to avoid war with Poland and the West, and instead try to form a voluntary alliance of the West + Japan AGAINST the USSR?

No neo-Nazis I've ever argued with on the internet seem to be able to answer this question.

The West and Japan HATED the USSR. The only reason they reluctantly formed an alliance with them was because Germany had become such a threat.

Why didn't Germany explicitly renounce narrow German nationalism, and instead emphasize shared European values and VOLUNTARY co-operation against Communism?

He could have renounced territorial claims in Poland France and Czechoslovakia as necessary sacrifices for the sake of European unity as a true leader with a sense of responsibility would have done. He didn't. Because he was a narrow-minded bitter German nationalist with no vision, still nursing his grudges over World War I.

>>130829961
Pilsudski was an Anti-Communist. Communism was created by jews and he knew what was up. Thats why Hitler honored him

>>130834680

Most other European states ignored Germany? Haha, France has invaded the German states so many times it's not even funny. And that actually for Lebensraum

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>>130820436
>Own land which does not belong to you given by foreign powers
>True owner wants to negotiate its return
>durr lets just murder all of the germans dis be our land an shieeeet, if they dun defend themselves dey was raycis anywayz

>>130835180
>Yeah great way to fight communism there...
Necessary evil, it was a temporary alliance brought to its knees by the obvious rifts in ideology. Or are the US support of moderate Islamic rebels indicative of the faith of Congress members?
>Why didn't Hitler try to avoid war with Poland and the West, and instead try to form a voluntary alliance of the West + Japan AGAINST the USSR?
Read Mein Kampf. Lebensraum was vital to the regime.
>The West and Japan HATED the USSR
Nips, yes. The West was so keen on the Soviets that they allied them and aided them. Ask yourself the purpose and reasoning for the alliance and aid, then extend that to the same issue you willingly dismiss. No nation wanted to have a stable alliance that meant something with the USSR. Even those that did, like the US, eventually realized it was insane. This is also indicative of the biased line of reasoning: you can extend the titular alliance to the West and the USSR, but not with the Germans (in order to achieve lebensraum and the eventual destruction of Marxism, all of which is outlined in Mein Kampf... if you read it).
>Why didn't Germany explicitly renounce narrow German nationalism
That is antithetical to the tenets of NS.
>and instead emphasize shared European values
Trying to avoid pan-European movements, m8.
>He could have renounced territorial claims in Poland France and Czechoslovakia as necessary sacrifices for the sake of European unity as a true leader with a sense of responsibility would have done. He didn't. Because he was a narrow-minded bitter German nationalist with no vision, still nursing his grudges over World War I.
Extend this to the same kvetching the Poles launched when it came to Upper Silesia (and when the democratic vote turned up in German favour, but it was handed over to the Poles). Almost as if the territorial claims aren't important to only Poles. You know, the Koreans should just be great diplomats and allow North Korea their rightful clay. So narrow!

>>130835180

Except that's completely untrue. He did try to form an alliance with Western Europe. An alliance with Great Britain was his dream. He reached out to many European countries including Poland, offering them a chance to join the Anti-Comintern and lands in the Ukraine once the USSR was defeated. Poland said no, because they were banking on the Western allies who DECLARED WAR ON HIM, not the other way around so stop acting as if he just invaded Western Europe for the fun of it. National Socialism is based around loving your own country but there were plans to reach out to other nations. Ribbentrops European confederation, Himmler's family of European nations which also included the Slavs, the SS recruiting divisions from all over Europe. And he did renounce claims in France but once he conquered it there was no point in not reintegrating Alsace Lorraine back into the Reich so he did it.

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>>130835630
>does not belong to you
Every bit of land that Poland owned before World War 2 was rightfully ours.
>lets just murder all of the germans
No germans were murdered unfortunately.

>>130834714
>Then Napoleon was guilty of the same imperialism and conquest.

He was, and that's why he lost. Because he made too many enemies.

>Extending the same argument, we can use it against the Japanese, too

We can, and that's why they lost. Because they made too many enemies.

>>130834911
>it's extremely unfair to blame the Germans for everything that has ever gone wrong for Europe

It would be but that's not what I'm doing. I AM blaming them for starting World War II which they did. And it was exceptionally irresponsible to attack the West when this would inevitably result in the weakening and ultimately destruction of the great European empires.

You keep saying that the West should have made peace with Hitler. Well what about fucking Hitler, why didn't he work harder to keep the peace with them?

The honest answer is that he didn't care about peace with them, or the future of Europe. He was more obsessed with >muh stab in the back, >muh versailles treaty, >muh stolen clay.

Which was understandable in a way, and I can sympathize with him given his experiences during the Great War.

But this is the real world we're living in with real consequences. And the consequences of what he did was the Soviet occupation of half of Europe, the shattering of the great European empires, and the creation of the Jewish state.

The Soviet-Western alliance was one forged out of desperation. The people of France, Britain and the United States despised the USSR and despised Communism. Had Hitler renounced aggression and territorial claims against other European states and advocated strongly for an alliance against the USSR, his overtures of peace WOULD have been reciprocated.

But he didn't do this because he was looking to the past, and not the future. What he did was understandable, but it has also doomed the white race.

What the times called for was a forgetting of old feuds in the face of the communist threat in Europe and the wider colored threat overseas.

>>130835117
do you actually believe slavs are subhuman?

>>130819742
yyyyeeeeeesssss goyim, kill ALL the Poles!

>>130836331
>He was, and that's why he lost. Because he made too many enemies.
Russian winters help, too.
>We can, and that's why they lost. Because they made too many enemies.
Embargoes are useful. The only opposition is that they attacked first.
>Well what about fucking Hitler, why didn't he work harder to keep the peace with them?
Turned out great for them last time. Reparations worth many times their entire GDP, territorial losses, all because they came to aid the allies that you simultaneously berate them for doing (Japanese) and berate them for not doing (Soviets).
>He was more obsessed with >muh stab in the back, >muh versailles treaty, >muh stolen clay.
Yes. Read Mein Kampf. Isn't your nation in the midst of a territorial war w/ North Korea? Don't you enforce your borders heavily with your armies? I wonder why, almost as if autonomy and sovereignty are important.
>And the consequences of what he did was the Soviet occupation of half of Europe, the shattering of the great European empires, and the creation of the Jewish state.
Extending your own line of reasoning: why didn't the US continue to support the Japanese and aid them in the fight against the Soviets? Didn't they want to help destroy Communism?

So can anyone answer for the fact that german operatives stormed a radio tower dressed as polish soldiers in a false flag attack to bring war?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler

>>130835206
>is against Jews
>supports Jews
pick one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Pi%C5%82sudski
>he extended his policy of "state-assimilation" to Polish Jews.
>Piłsudski himself, were favorably viewed by many Polish Jews
>many Polish Jews whose situation improved especially under Piłsudski-appointed Prime Minister Kazimierz Bartel.
>Many Jews saw Piłsudski as their only hope for restraining antisemitic currents in Poland
>Piłsudski's death in 1935 brought a deterioration in the quality of life of Poland's Jews.

You got everything reverse, stop reading the bible Jew and get real. Communists were the only ones who banned circumcision and Zionism, besides Hitler.

>>130820907
>the Fourth Reich will rise soon
more like 4th kaliphate
seriously i coudlnt hoped for more humililating fate then what germcucks are eqperiencing right now.

>>130836795
>why didn't the US continue to support the Japanese and aid them in the fight against the Soviets

1) The Japanese were harming their interests in China

2) In 1941, Japan attacked the US in accordance with its treaty obligations as an ally of Germany which was then at war with the United States

>Yes. Read Mein Kampf. Isn't your nation in the midst of a territorial war w/ North Korea? Don't you enforce your borders heavily with your armies? I wonder why, almost as if autonomy and sovereignty are important.

It's not a close parallel because both sides are the same ethnic group. In any case, South Korea attempts to avoid war with North Korea. It "enforces" its borders... defensively.

>>130837293
>1) The Japanese were harming their interests in China
Ah, so now national conflicts of interest come into play.
>2) In 1941, Japan attacked the US in accordance with its treaty obligations as an ally of Germany which was then at war with the United States
Missing my point, which was to express distaste at the attacks (which were justified by the japs because of the embargo) and to see why the US couldn't just "play along" like you ask the Germans to do in order to take down the Soviets. Almost as if their interests as a nation prevented such appeasement.
>It's not a close parallel because both sides are the same ethnic group.
True.
>In any case, South Korea attempts to avoid war with North Korea. It "enforces" its borders... defensively.
Is this true? As in, without a South Korean input, is it the truth?

>>130834087
You conveniently leave out that Danzig was majority German under Polish rule since at least 1600
Was a corridor really too much to ask?

>>130836331

He sent over 13 offers of peace to Britain even before Poland was fully occupied. He wasted precious weeks avoiding bombing Britain because he wanted to be in their good graces. He let the allies go at Dunkirk when he could have ended the war there to court Britain's favor. You have a lot to say about Germany not trying hard enough for peace when really the seem to be ONLY ones trying to peace in WW2 . Why didn't the allies try harder to come to peace. Simple, because the war was not against National Socialism or Hitler, it was against Germany.

>>130837688
i dont blame poles for refusing but if you want to blame them its their prime minister foult
the retard believed that the german army was as weak as in 1933 and that he could take berlin in few weeks

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>>130819742

>>130837688
Yes. It violated Polish sovereignty

>>130836945
https://carolynyeager.net/gleiwitz-%E2%80%9Cfalse-flag%E2%80%9D-incident-pure-fiction

It is biased but at least it gives you an alternative insight.

>>130825267
Lol. Krauts were stealing Polish children from Zamojczyzna in Poland because they were more aryan there than in germany.

>>130838404
>because they were more aryan there than in germany
Proof?

>>130838404

No, they were being taken because they were AS Aryan as German children not more. Children with good genetic stock from Poland were transported to Germany to be Germanized while being adopted by an SS family as part of the Lebensborn program.

>>130838404
>>130838633
First you need to understand what Aryan even means in Nazi Germany. Read Nazi laws and you will know.

>>130838842
GERMANIZ'D
lol

>>130838404
Not "more Aryan" (a meaningless metric anyway), but it did happen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Zamojszczyzna_by_Nazi_Germany

last paragraph

>>130838929
I'm well aware of such matters, what I would like is proof that children in Poland were deemed "more Aryan" than Germans.

The fact is that there is no proof, this is just a retarded Pole wewuzzing about being Aryans n shit. He could have simply posted something akin to what is written in these posts >>130838842 >>130839091, but apparently that was too hard and he had to go one step further.

HITLER DINDU NUFFIN HE A GOOD BOY

Bloody Sunday was a sequence of events that took place in Bydgoszcz (German: Bromberg), a Polish city with a sizable German minority, between 3 and 4 September 1939, immediately AFTER the German invasion of Poland.

The sequence started with an attack of German Selbstschutz snipers on retreating Polish troops and then was followed by a Polish reaction and then the final retaliatory execution of Polish hostages by the Wehrmacht and Selbstschutz, after the fall of the city. All these events resulted in the deaths of both German and Polish civilians. The Polish Institute of National Remembrance found and confirmed 254 Lutheran victims, assumed to be German victims, and 86 Catholic victims, assumed to be Polish civilians, as well as 20 Polish soldiers. Approximately 600–800 Polish hostages were shot in a mass execution in the aftermath of the fall of the city.

After the Germans took over the city, they killed 1200–3000 Polish civilians, as part of Operation Tannenberg. The event and place of execution became known as the Valley of Death. The murdered included the president of Bydgoszcz, Leon Barciszewski. Fifty Polish prisoners of war from Bydgoszcz were later falsely accused by Nazi Sondergericht Bromberg summary courts for taking part in "Bloody Sunday" and shot.

The term "Bloody Sunday" was created and supported by Nazi propaganda officials. An instruction issued to the press said, "... must show news on the barbarism of Poles in Bromberg. The expression 'Bloody Sunday' must enter as a permanent term in the dictionary and circumnavigate the globe. For that reason, this term must be continuously underlined."[3]

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>>130819742
> OH WEH 6 GORILLION GERMUNZ WUZ DEADS
What are you, a larping jew?

>>130838633
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_children_by_Nazi_Germany

My grandpa was partisan in Zamojszczyzna. I know for fact that he himself killed couple of kraut scums for what they did. Fuck krauts.
Also you faggots are calling Poles subhumans? So how do you call krauts? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS
>krauts
>honorous
>master race
sure

>>130839403
actually, it was OVER 58 GORILLION

>Goebbels' Propaganda Ministry heavily exploited the events to try to gain support in Germany for the invasion. Reports from the press and newsreels showed Polish violence against the German minority in Poland. Goebbels had initially estimated that 5,800 Germans had been killed during Bloody Sunday but in 1940 increased the estimate to 58,000 which was subsequently published in the pamphlet "Polish Atrocities Against the German Minority in Poland" which convinced most Germans for the invasion and fueled more hatred against the Poles.[14]

ANNUDAH DANZIG

>>130839631
>>grandpa
How old are you? Don't you mean your great grandfather?

>>130839631
>Also you faggots are calling Poles subhumans?
I never said that.

>>130836196
>Every bit of land that Poland owned before World War 2 was rightfully ours.
Lviv is Ukraine Vilno is Lithuania death to pole occupants REEE!!!

>>130839767
No, my grandfather. He is dead now.

>>130839896
Sorry than mate. I misunderstood you. And before I mean "more aryans", not "more aryan. My mistake. Also that was just irony.

>>130839651
>but when we do it, it's okay

>>130839631
He didn't call Poles subhuman. He's asking for evidence to back up your statement that the Polish children were taken because they were more Aryan than those in Germany. Don't shift the goal posts

>>130821702
If the killing of a 9-year old was justified so was the annihilation of poland and the violent death of every man, woman and child, both in the streets and in the camps.
Go fuck yourself subhuman scum.

>>130836795
>Russian winters help, too.
Yeah that's why Napoleon had to build a bridge when crossing river on russian border. And then burn it abandoning half of his remaining troops, french cowardly faggot. Because river did not freeze. Because it was middle of fucking November. Russian winter scary!

>>130840138
Fair enough, then. I've met a couple of Poles on here who regularly try to prove that Poles are the "true Aryans", so find it hard to tell when people are just being ironic or joking.

>>130839300
I can tell you this much, Polish and Jewish people couldn't defend themselves in Nazi court.

http://www.verfassungen.de/de/de33-45/verf33.htm
>Abgeurteilt werden Polen und Juden von dem Sondergericht oder dem Amtsrichter.
Translation:
>Poles and Jews are sentenced by the special court or the magistrate.

>Polen und Juden können weder Privatklage noch Nebenklage erheben.
Translation:
>Poles and Jews can neither charge private charges nor secondary charges.

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>>130838168
>EU flag
>Having minorities in your nation is a violation of sovereignty

>>130819742
stormcucks and their lies

>>130840685
Because they are not equals. They are not ethnic citizens. They are Poles, not Germans. The whole point was blood and soil nationalism.

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>>130839631
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
>Nearly all the wartime documentation on Generalplan Ost was deliberately destroyed shortly before Germany's defeat in May 1945.[6][7] Thus, no complete set of originals have ever been found after the war, among the documents stored in German archives. Apart from Ehlich's testimony, there are several documents which refer to this plan or are supplements to it. Although no copies of the actual full proposal have survived, most of the plan's essential elements have been reconstructed from related memos, abstracts and other documents.[8]

Fake - Germans in Nuremberg were tortured, such as Hoess being threatened, as testified in Legions of Death, many others had their testicles crushed

Meanwhile, primary evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6o84NU9Ees

Even if you pull the "secret genocide" card, he never ever mentions any ostplan bullshit in a formal conversation which was unknowingly recorded between Hitler and Mannerheim when discussing the Eastern Front
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oET1WaG5sFk

You are using made up bullshit to justify murder and niggetry.

>>130840650
>"true Aryans"
There is not "Aryans" and probably never was. It is an ahistorical construct.
There probably was a group of people, living probably somewhere between Dniester and Caucasus ca 2000 CA. They speak a language that is the ancestor of most present European ones.
There is not any _direct_ evidence that they are forefathers of any Europeans nation or tribal.

That's all.

>>130841561
The point was to take Polish land and install Nazi propaganda, which some Poles still believe to this day and some believe American propaganda, then there is also Christian propaganda.

Here you have Danzig:
http://www.verfassungen.de/de/de33-45/kulturkammer33.htm
>Die im § 2 bezeichneten Körperschaften werden gemeinsam mit der vorläufigen Filmkammer, die den Namen Reichsfilmkammer erhält, zu einer Reichskulturkammer vereinigt. Die Reichskulturkammer steht unter der Aufsicht des Reichsministers für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda. Sie hat ihren Sitz in Berlin.
Translation:
>The bodies referred to in § 2 are merged into a Reichskulturkammer together with the provisional film chamber, which is named Reichsfilmkammer. The Reichskulturkammer is under the supervision of the Reich Minister for National Enlightenment and Propaganda. It is based in Berlin.
>in Danzig am 18. Dezember 1939

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>>130819742
Volyn massacre was also justified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacification_of_Ukrainians_in_Eastern_Galicia

>>130841817
>Germans in Nuremberg were tortured
Because they had to extract the truth :^

>>130842113
>and install Nazi propaganda
Did they reboot their systems, first? They might catch a virus, so make sure to install some anti-virus first.

>>130842201
Don't you have Turks you should be killing?

>>130842201
>tortured testimony is truth even if we can't find the graves that are admitted
>>130841817
Funny how they call us the conspiracy theorists when their entire point is some massive conspiracy to kill Jews, but oops all the evidence was destroyed so we just have to believe post-war trials and testimony. Sounds like an unfalsifiable claim to me...

>>130842212
Nazis had it planned. They invaded Poland in September and rolled Nazi films already in December.

>>130842130
>Ukraine
>/x/

>>130819742
better explain why poles are such big submissive cucks that started to suck german dicks again (in EU).

>>130842130
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacification_of_Ukrainians_in_Eastern_Galicia

Logic Stepan:
"The Pacification of Ukrainians was the punitive action by police and military of the Second Polish Republic against the Ukrainian minority in Poland (in Eastern Galicia — against the Ukrainian majority) in September–November 1930 *in response to a wave of more than 2,200 acts of sabotage against Polish property in the region.*"

Arresting ca 150 saboteurs and murderers vs murdering at least 100 k civilians.
I hope Putin will rape you.

>>130842545
Superior Aryan seeds naturally attracts Polish women, and even men who prep the German EU machine.

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>>130842384
If it is an unfalsifiable claim then it has no bearing
It doesn't cite the so called memos or testimonies
Is this true?
https://www.ushmm.org/online/film/display/detail.php?file_num=7 5:28 - scratching on a concrete wall

Again, look at the video I posted.
and this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwS6HtMKNOA 17:41
we are just to believe everything was secret, all the cheering during the speeches was fake, the speeches were fake, and this secret document which could have potentially existed is the truth. Right.

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>>130842384 >>130843141

Sort of half-read then started posting more,
didn't want to come across as attacking you, just citing more. Agreed 100%

>>130841817
crushed testicles is a not a torture. german rulers forgot human language, so they were reminded how to speak

you dont even know what tortures were used during lower rank people during the war from all sides
>>130842898
no, you have not understood me

its polish men that suck german dicks, like gays. it is confusing, so i cant understand.

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>>130843283
>is not a torture
I don't know what language you speak but it certainly isn't human

>>130843141
>scratching on a concrete wall
>this is undeniable proof millions died
>we are just to believe everything was secret, all the cheering during the speeches was fake, the speeches were fake, and this secret document which could have potentially existed is the truth.
Glompf also said he would destroy ISIS. Now he's waging proxy wars and even aiding their efforts. You'll need better proof than assertions, because they are not self-evident. Start by some exhumation report, as most of the bodies weren't destroyed by your own documents outlining massive loss of life. Should be ample evidence.
>>130843283
Polish men are naturally submissive, as they are more beta than the typical white boi.

>>130842384
I dont give a fuck about jews. Conspiracy theory? You are fucking retard. I know what my grandparents told me what they saw on their own eyes. They didnt like jews. They also hated commies. Why would they lie about fucking krauts and their animalistic behaviour? Are all those common people from Poland who survived WW2 are also part of this grand anty "we wuz good bois germans" conspiracy? Stupid fucking nigger stormfag calling other conspiracy theorists. Fuck off and die.

>>130843283
the only person that likes to suck dicks and do it is you
although it doesn't mean that someone else does it
enjoy it fag

>>130842855
Fuck you. You've been trying to literally get rid of us as a nation, for hundreds of years. Same as ruskies.
But we fought back all the time. Khmelnytsky uprising, Koliyivshchyna, Polish–Ukrainian War, Volyn.

>>130843275
It's unfalsifiable because it forces opposition into a disingenuous position and cannot be disproven without resorting to fallacies. Documents are damning but not overt guilt, right off the bat. The argument is that they are proven to be truthful because of the source of the assertion over the content of the claim (i.e. true because Germans say so!). It can't be proven false because there is no substantive, physical evidence to corroborate the death toll, or a basis for reasoning to believe one death toll over another (outside of an argument from silence fallacy making estimations and inflating that to truth), or a point towards gas chambers actually being used. All the evidence has since been destroyed: that's why it's unfalsifiable. And the "damning evidence" came out decades after the trial.

>>130843986
Kek you've never been a nation for hundreads of years. Ukrainians were invented shortly before world war 2.

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>>130843420
it doesn't make critical damage to your body. it is interrogation.

german rulers were coward pussies, their soldiers died and they didn't follow them. idk if tortures were used to them. i think they simply told everything even without tortures
>>130843540
polish men are very submissive indeed, they were a nation of peasants anyway

>>130843771
but poles are sucking german dicks. Also germans fuck poles.

are you a man or a rooster?

>>130843714
>on their own eyes.
learn2english seba

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>>130843986
>But we fought back all the time
By slaughtering women and little children? So brave. True warriors of freedom.

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>>130844209
>Ukrainians were invented shortly before world war 2.
Lies!

>>130828015

He just has really big muscles.

>>130844493
me will no maciek

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>>130844425
>polish men are very submissive indeed
whatever you say alpha

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Hitler wanted to be allies with Poland. He had an NAP with them up until they started massacring Germans.

This was his proposal:
-Referendum for Danzig to join Germany (which the Germans would have won, since the region is overwhelmingly German)
-A separate referendum for Posen to join Germany (which the Germans would have won, since the region is majority German)
-Regardless of referendum results, the other country would be given rail access through Posen and Danzig and shipping rights in Danzig.

If the Poles had just agreed to allow the Germans self-determination instead of keeping them in chains, they could have avoided a disastrous war. Hitler was also pretty generous to its allies. Hitler helped Hungary get back some of its rightful land. If Poland allied with Germany, Hitler probably could have given them Lithuania and Slovakia, and a huge chunk of USSR if they went to war together against it. Poland-Lithuania could have been an actual thing. Instead, you got 50 years of communist occupation in spite of all your efforts in the Polish-Bolshevik war; and Germany was destroyed forever, never to rise again, but as a jewish state and perpetual enemy of the Polish people.

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>>130830025
Poland existed before Germany you stereotypical retard Pole.
God damn you are so fucking stupid

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>>130829307
>Stalin was the smartest player of WW2
Surely you must be joking.

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I NEED MORE BLOOD

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>>130830025

>>130844821
If Ukraine wants to have own identity/prosperity it has to stop chasing every money. Same is true for all countries of the planet and even your own marriage.