Why do european leaders believe immigrants are good?

>>130801145

We will never know unless they tell us.

-There is the possibility that these people genuinely feel guilty about colonization and slavery and really want to make it right.
-There are people who are pathologically altruistic, really nice people, who want th best for others even at their own detriment.
-People who are very malevolent and want to exploit their low IQ for cheap labor
-People who genuinely want to be muslim
-People really want more people to vote for them

I remember some lefties in the early days arguing that we should see America as an example of how you prosper and become rich. And America is multicultural af

>>130801145
Politicians and people who like to be in the public spotlight have mostly strong pathological traits. In other words these are very evil people.

Evil people don't understand what does it mean to be really good or altruistic.. that's why every time an evil person tries to be good he fucks everything up.

Evil people can't do good deeds.

>>130801574

Its not that multiculturalism worked, it was our prosperity and freedom to become wealthy that worked. People think we like all races but that is not the case, we worked together to make money is what made it all work. Not to mention it was competitive immigration that helps. We only took in the best of the best. We didn't import everybody and said do what you want.

>>130801145
Votes

>>130801145
(((Martin Schulz))) literally looks like the merchant rubbing his kike hands together

>>130801145
They don't. They know mass importation of sub 90 IQ population with a violent and un.-assimilateable people will destroy Europe, they are (((paid))) off and they are fine about committing high treason and genocide. This one is on the people to solve.
Always kill a traitor before an enemy.

>>130802032
You literally took in at hell of a lot of poor people from Europe

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>>130801145
He means "my jewish overlords told me to flood europe with muslims"
They are mere puppets, nothing more.

>>130802222
quads of truth

>>130802282
Yeah. From Europe. Europeans.

>>130801505
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxAKmkO_Ojw
skip to 4 minutes

>>130801145
>refugees
>doing labor

Good one. Nice joke there.

>>130801145
>Cheap labor?
Exactly. They need young unskilled workers to make up for an aging population, and the cheaper, the better

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>>130802218
Delete this immediately, Goy.

>>130801145
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5jUavMXQrs

Damp rag low grade bank clerk

>>130802282

We did but here is the thing you miss;

They were put to work and integrated.

>>130802310
exactly this

>>130802441
Yea, but now we're down to eugenics, which is a big no no here you know.

>>130801145
Because he's a leftist and leftists are retarded.

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>>130801145
Immigrants = more sold goods and more loans, all paid for by the taxpayers.

>>130802282
>poor people from Europe
That started their own businesses or farms, and were able to assimilate to a certain degree. They didn't come here to live on welfare.

>>130801145
because whites no longer reproduce

no babies
=
no tax payers
=
no money for their socialized society
=
societal collapse

they have somehow managed to delude themselves into thinking these shitskins will have children who manage to hold down a job and pay taxes.

not gonna happen

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>>130801505
>europe and us demographics by 2050
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world

>Yasmin Alibhai-Brown of the Foreign Policy Centre, who arrived in London from Uganda in 1972, said such fears are basically racist: 'Only white people worry about this. It's because for such a long time the world has been their own. To talk about it feeds a particular type of racism that says that blacks breed like rabbits. There is an underlying assumption that says white is right.'

>She added: 'There is a white panic every time one part of their world seems to be passing over to anyone else. But it's foolish to panic about it. So what if we do become a majority? What difference does it make?'

>For Alibhai-Brown, the decline of whites is a question of redressing the balance after they colonised much of the world. 'The empire strikes back really. There was this extraordinary assumption that white people could go and destroy peoples and it would have no consequence. It astounds me,' she said.

>UN's plan on replacement migration
http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/ageing/replacement-migration.shtml

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi
>this man is highly respected by members of the EU and is seen as the father of the European Union. he is also responsible for promoting this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_of_the_future#cite_note-1

>>130801505
Green Party Leadership was recorded talking about getting shitskins to europe to get the votes they can't get from the native population.

>>130801505
-people who value virtue signaling and other peoples opinion on their "kindness" more than their or others well being

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>>130801145
Did somebody meme "cheap labour"?

>>130802653
So is the solution to deny genetic reality and just pretend that importing millions of violent 85 IQ savages will turn you into America 2.0, and arrest anyone who calls out the government on it?

"Most refugees to be jobless for years, German minister warns"

https://www.ft.com/content/022de0a4-54f4-11e7-9fed-c19e2700005f

>>130802531
they dont work

>>130801145
>Seriously, what is the motivation behind importing migrants into Europe?
Socialism failed again. There is a need for a huge crisis so sheeple will not see that pension funds are filled with IOUs and so that they will accept sacrifices asked of them.

>>130801145
>Seriously, what is the motivation behind importing migrants into Europe?

The only explanation I could think of that is not some crazy conspiracy about satanists or some other nonsense is

-They honestly believe that shit. I think that most politician's really are not redpilled on race & iq, multiculturalism etc., which leads us to..
-They don't give a shit. If you're Angela Merkel, think that nurture is everything and have and old population, "assimilating" new people is a reasonable thing to do. But that also does not make a lot of sense since she said multiculturalism has failed in 2010.
-Altruism combined with being bluepilled.(Sweden)
-Economy. Like I said, Europeans are old and importing young people would be good. What they don't see is that the migrants have an iq of about 80 and that Europe will become a caliphate by 2100.

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>>130802870
No, but you're talking to the wrong country. We make statistics about this all the time, but noone seem to care.

https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/nyborg-2011-the-decay-of-western-civilization-double-relaxed-darwinian-selection.pdf

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>>130802870
>>130803098

>>130802717

I agree with this because of the type of immigration that is occurring. The EU and US liberals want a free-for-all system with no quality control. They think everybody is equal in ability and all differences are cultural, but this is wrong.

The immigrants aren't working, aren't paying taxes, and refuse to integrate. The plan to bring in more workers only brought in more debt.

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Control.

>>130802717
The black death brought about the renaissance.

Less people = more land and infrastructure for those that remain

= more value/bargaining power for workers

= greater social mobility

= more intellectuals and artists

= golden age

>>130801145
European countries have poor birth rates so the age pyramid is slim at the bottom. The EU leaders are anticipating no baby boom so they're expecting the age pyramid to flip upside-down in a matter of decades. The reason they're inviting so many young people is to avoid ending up in an economy full of retirement-age people and few working-age citizens.
tldr; only going back to the 50's gender roles wise can save Europe. Refusing to accept migrants will bite us in the back later

Many of them are either mentally handicapped or ideological zealots, but the key problem is oil capital in EU dictating its policies.

>>130801145
Kalgeri Plan. They are crypto jews who want to do to the rest of Europe what they did to Russia 100 years ago, except we can't come back from mongrelized genetics as we can from communism.

>>130801145
It's an attack on the unity of any possible opposition to (((them)))

>>130802803
Yeah and if they weren't a bunch of retarded commies living in a bubble, they might have noticed that the Greens in Belgium had the same idea, and it later backfired in spectacular and completely predictable fashion.

>>130801505
Your post sounds reasonable but none of the reasons you've mentioned explains why they want to flood eastern countries too.
We didn't colonize.
Dumping rapefugees here doesn't help them, in fact they don't want to stay here.
If they were the valuable cheap labour that West wants, the West would keep them but they don't want to.
At this point the white genocide theory seems like the most likely one. We've seen a lot of academics advocating for the replacement of whites, didn't we?

>>130802531
On the contrary, the aging population works to pay for their expenses.
>>130802987
Everything is about money. As in it will be "better" for the economy, because the middle class will be forced to give up their money in the form of taxes to be redistributed on the low intelligence, high spending snackbars.

>>130801574
>false equivalency

The leople who went to the USA were from the same race, culture and religion. Most were European Christians. Plus, there was no established culture to compete with.

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Keep in mind it's mostly women who want refugees. I think it's because their maternal instincts are acting up and seeing refugees as helpless babies.

Western men can't disobey women sp they can't object to this.

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>>130801145
>European leaders
>European

You have your answer.

>>130801145
Because they want to genocide white Europeans. They are traitors.

>>130803479
>the female symbol combined with the male symbol combined with the cockring symbol
??

>>130801145

Crypto kike implementing white genocide.

>>130803456

You are part of the EU aren't you?

There is your answer.

>>130803271
kys, Bauman. Importing shitskins will only make the situation worse. Not only would we have to pay for the old but also for the shitskin criminals and NEETs.

>>130801145
>Memes aside, what did he mean by this?
Violence and social division which encourages/excuses steps to strengthen the state and weaken the people. When they say "diversity is strength" they're thinking in the "divide and conquer" sense.

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He's a mouthpiece of the Jews. He hates Germany, Germans, white people, but he loves Israel and the Jewish parasite.

eurojewcong.org/ejc-in-the-media/14538-eu-parliament-head-martin-schulz-to-jews:-europe-is-your-home-today-every-day-and-forever.html

>>130803695
This is not the answer. Nobody signed for this and it's nowhere to be found in the treaties. The EU is supposed to protect its broders but it does the opposite.

>>130802129
no. that can't possibly be it

>>130803705
>>poland
>>good neetbux
pick one

>>130803479
I saw a german middle aged childless woman run after her child surrogate pitch-black pet refugee who was screaming at the top of his lungs threatening to, and i quote, "fuck everyone's asses" because he was upset that the gibsmedats office was closed that day.

That horrified look on her face made me smile for weeks. Traitors, all of them.

>>130803899
Average prisoner costs us 3000 zlotys a month. This is the NEETbux they'd be getting.

>>130802772
All of this desu. At least in part. And they are helped by clueless do gooders who lack any foresight and instead prefer to indulge self gratuitous,shallow altruism

>>130802310

this

>>130803838

I personally like what Poland and the other eastern countries are doing to the EU by refusing to lay along. You guys are making Germany's plans hard by blocking their policies yet staying in the union. Its getting to the point where the EU wants the eastern countries out.

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>>130801145

This is why. Even Goering was impressed

http://ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.shtml

>Kaufman's fervent proposal for the systematic sterilization of the entire German population was given respectful attention in the American press, including reviews in a number of newspapers. A review in the weekly Time magazine, March 24, 1941, called Kaufman's plan a "sensational idea."

>The Harvard University professor's proposal called for genetically transforming the German nation by encouraging mating of German women with non-German men, who would be brought into the country in large numbers, and of German men, forcibly held outside of Germany, with non-German women. Ten to twelve million German men would be assigned to forced labor under Allied supervision in countries outside of Germany to rebuild their economies. "The objects of this measure," wrote Dr. Hooton, "include reduction of the birthrate of 'pure' Germans, neutralization of German aggressiveness by outbreeding and denationalization of indoctrinated individuals."

>This plan, Hooton estimated, would require at least 20 years to be implemented. "During this period," he went on, "encourage also the immigration and settlement in the German states of non-German nationals, especially males."

>In the decades since the end of World War II, something of the spirit of the genocidal Kaufman and Hooton plans seems manifest in Germany's population and immigration policies. Since the nation's defeat in 1945, the German birth rate has fallen to below the replacement level, millions of racially and culturally alien migrants have been welcomed as settlers in Germany, the number of children of mixed ethnicity has sharply increased, and the ethnic-cultural character of much of the country has been drastically altered, especially in the larger cities.

>>130803234
Check my post on kaufman
>>130804123

>>130803271
>Refusing to accept migrants will bite us in the back later

That's why we're accepting Ukrainians, compared to them muslims are subpar in almost every way.

>>130801145
Replace the labor with social rights and a residual opposition class consciousness with a new manpower that has neither one and the other, and is willing to survive. Immigrants are also willing to make for 3 euros per hour what labor maneuvered by the season of class struggles and the "social state" would never accept.
Capital law is always one: find someone willing to do the same at a lower price.

>>130803456
>but none of the reasons you've mentioned explains why they want to flood eastern countries too.
>People really want more people to vote for them
this one could work. Blind followers that will ensure that EU stays in charge of everything. Distraction also sounds plausible, people will be too busy with them to go against EU itself, though that is kinda backfiring.

>>130804088
with the birth rate of 1.3 childer per woman, it's a lose-lose scenario anyway. see
>>130803271

>>130801145
None of them have kids so to them people are just abstract concepts.

>>130803456
>At this point the white genocide theory seems like the most likely one
White genocide is the whole point of it for most of these people.

Sure they have other fancy utopian delusions about the benefits of a mixed mongrelized society, about the wonderful brown communist world which will be produced in the end.

But eradicating whites is the #1 agenda here.

>>130802717

Also, no taxes = no more fat paychecks for governing (((elites)))

As with most things, follow the money and the answer becomes self evident.

>>130803440
What happened? I guess a Sharia party formed? Our greens are basically Maoist, sorta like Labour is in Britain right now. They think their socialist utopia can only be reached once the third world populations crush the first world.

>>130804391
Eastern Europe still has time to change their fertility rates iirc.

>>130804380
Relying on the muslim votes would be very short-sighted because they're going to start forming their own parties soon.
I don't buy it. There's too much shilling, billions of fucking dollars being wasted just to buy some extra votes? They'd be better off spending this money to convince the normalfags.

>>130801145
If you want a serious answer the reason behind importing refugees is the Jewish fear of racial nationalism. The diaspora believe by undermining racial homogeneity in a location that they will undermine nationalism. Ironically this just increases nationalism, but they don't actually understand nationalism anyway since they don't experience it.

>>130804391
Make incentives for people to make families then. Immigrants are a temporary solution that will bite you in the ass.

The nose knows. Jews are an invasive sub-species who are in the process of exterminating Europeans. They have tried many times before throughout the ages and failed but this time I guess we will see.

>>130801505
Its very suspicious that they dont tell us their reasoning. Instead if you question the mass migration or doubt it for a second you're racist.

>>130804812
More ironically they do this by importing large quantities of Muslims that hate them.
Kikes tend to outsmart themselves.

>>130801145
Because they maneuvered them self into a catch22 situation.
welfare state requires constant funding and they expand it in some countries like germany to a point where you will get more money from collecting welfare then working 100% in some fields
they killed their entire lower middle class in the name of environmental protection yet keep on importing exactly that goods from countries that make them in a even dirtier way
companies threaten them to leave the country if they don't get free slave labor
better make them happy, subsidize wages, allow unlimited temporary contracts that undercut the min wage, allow 3 year long unpaid internships for skilled workers with a professional degree and if everything else goes wrong we import a few million apes as they're such skilled workers some of them can even write their own name to work for free
>just look up those "work integration programs" that are literally slave labour where you use 4 unskilled people to replace a single skilled worker but it doesn't matter as they do it for free and you don't have to pay them a single cent and the best part: you get fresh free replacement every 12 months.

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>>130801145

>>130803098
Are you guys going to remove kebab?

>>130804812

Yeah, Andrew Joyce has a good summary about this relationship on Red Ice. In the middle ages Jews used to be the middle man between the rulers and the population, they were responsible for lending money and also collecting it (with military backup by the rulers if needed). Of course, the population only put up with usury for so long and you got pogroms. Jews of course never recognized how that whole usury stuff pissed people off and only saw the evil goyim killing poor Jews.

Now we are in one of the biggest debt bubbles ever and we get a massive migrant inflow, the hope being that Hans and James will be busy fighting Muhammed and Ahmed while Shlomo keeps on lending money.

>>130802987
There's definitely a lot of hubris in the higher classes, as well as a "who the hell cares what comes after me". From interacting with billionaires and government officials, I can tell you none of them see themselves as evil. They have lived through an unprecented era of human prosperity, and silly as it sounds, this affects psychology. When you're used to the abundance mentality, it's extremely hard to break out of it. Same reason boomers care much less about the environment than millenials.

There are many very intelligent people in the higher ranks of society. If you present them with facts regarding racial IQ, problems with minorities, reasons for discontent and debt unsustainability, they will agree and even demonstrate better knowledge of these topics sometimes. Yet they expect things to work out, because how could they not? Things have worked out for them their whole life, with minimal effort.

>>130804544
Exactly, they improted migrants, migrants voted Greens, when there was enough of them they formed their own party, migrants started voting them. Shocking eh?
Greens then decided to import even more migrants, but the new ones didn't vote for Greens, they voted the islamist party.
I mean, who could have predicted this, right? It's not like there are dozens of clips on Youtube where Imams in the middle East instruct their flock to do exactly that. They are backwards, but not stupid.

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>>130805084
>they killed their entire lower middle class in the name of environmental protection
More like in the name of economic liberalism my AnCap friend.

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>>130805304

>>130801145
>natality
>cheap labour
>humanistic (and suicidal) values

>>130805200
(((Leonid Bershidsky)))

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>>130805388

>>130801145
Europe is fucked. V4

>>130805019

Yeah well, the thing is the goyim or more specifically the rulers keep falling for it or maybe don't even care. Jews get driven out a lot but a while later they are allowed back in by a new ruler down the line.

Europe tried to expulse them and get out of debt before and during WW2 and the anglo powers fought basically for global finance, even after they got their own shit wrecked by it in 1929.

I don't doubt for a second that even if the whole scheme collapses as long as the USA is capable they will send their soldiers to fight fellow European countries just to enforce banking and immigration.

>>130805451
What about encouraging natality?

>>130805081
I can understand why they're pushing for it from a fear perspective. The poor creatures will descend into total nihilism, denying culture, family and every social structure they have to to escape nationalism. Unfortunately it's a natural desire to form a tribe. And by putting themself between the individual and their tribe they might as well be between a bear and her cubs.

>>130801505
>-There are people who are pathologically altruistic, really nice people, who want th best for others even at their own detriment.

I wouldn't call them good people for importing a people that literally rapes them, kills them, takes their housing, forcibly shifts the culture of their host country, and takes their hard earned tax dollars on the off chance that maybe there's a family that actually wants to adjust to European culture and is grateful for what they're given.

I suppose you can argue that they're misled with good intentions, but I'd call them idiots rather than good people.

>>130801145
>What the refugees bring to Europe is worth more than gold (((that is not currently in my possession as it will move that gold into my possession))).

>>130801505
I always assume that politics are majority narcissists or psychopaths, with share of fanatics and opportunists. But fanatics always give a way to other written groups and are eliminated (night of long knifes, Stalin purges...).
So first two reasons are highly unlikely. Third is plausible, forth is no-go and fifth is very characteristic.
In my opinion is mix of three factors:
>They feel no loyalty to any group, and care little about "the people".
>Their goals are short termed, as they do not adhere to any ideology.
>Work surplus and political instability are good for exploitation and maximisation of profits of top social echelons.

So we have narcissistic politicians who want temporary personals pleasures and gains, who profit from this scenario. They have powerful tool, media. Since little of population explores their political beliefs, it is easy tom manipulate. Since majority of European population subconsciously feels guilt over their over-consumption (lets be honest, on average European worker has it better than others) so their compassion kicks in. And since feelings are irrational, they prevail in certain part of population. Virtue signalling does the rest of the job. And here you have it, population and politics, open to immigration, each for completely different reasons.

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>>130805451

It is OBJECTIVELY the correct and rational course of action in a capitalist framework.

>>130801145
The european pro refugee/immigration stands are just about looking good; whoever takes in the most can boast about it and look down on other countries who aren't as tolerant.

>>130802803
Why would shitskins vote for the Green party anyway?
White people and maybe china are the only ones that care about the environment.

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>>130801862
but ,The road to hell is paved with good intentions

>>130801145
>Germany has low birth rates
>they have an older population
>they have a skills shortage
>this is the death of a civilization

>bomb some shithole
>cause mass refugee "crisis"
>take all these breeders to fix low birth rate problem, they pop kids out like a pez dispenser
>bomb hospitals
>encourage doctors and nurses to come to Germanistan
>give the kids of these immigrants the best education possible
>hope they become the new working army of germany, pushing them into being a world leader again

>germany thinks they are going to be king of big dick hill next generation

Everything they are doing is in their own stone cold best interest, at least that's the plan.

It's not working out too well because the people that are entering at all mongoloids.
Most of the immigrants are not integrating either, so their kids are being brought up hating Germany.

>Muh labour

by 2050 the job market will have contracted to the extent where almost all unskilled work will be automated, retail, transport, entry level office work, all automated, leaving european countries with massive social welfare bills and no income tax to pay it, expect Balkanization of almost all western europe as ethnic conflicts break out

>>130805207
Kike and Kabab must be removed as they both seek to destroy Europeans. That is what was done during the Spanish inquisition which was followed by a new golden age for Europeans with Queen Isabella funding the expedition to America and all the wealth and opportunity that flowed from it.

>>130802459
You should give people a TL;DR, so we can decide whether it's worth starting a vid up. Don't be lazy.

>>130805211
Link?

>>130803456
>At this point the white genocide theory seems like the most likely one. We've seen a lot of academics advocating for the replacement of whites
which ones?

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>>130805207
Remember 2 years back when lefties said refugees were educated, especially Syrian refugees? Lots of examples in the news. Turns out Syrians are the worst educated refugees among them all.

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>>130805806
YFW you will miss the great race war

>>130801145
Europe got mindfucked by WW2 when US came out of nowhere to dominate the world. They saw it was from immigration. They didn't understand that the better course of action was to raise their own birthrates while improving their countries to lower emigration, instead they decided to import a few million niggers a year.

>>130801145
Maybe they think refugees will make good cannon fodder for a great war. Most of them are military-aged men.

>>130801145
Because it kills off the native population and any resistance against a EU police state.

>>130801145
>>130801505
We do know, (((they))) want a rootless race of low IQ mongrels without a past and without a future to easily govern them. Europe has a long history of rebelling against the elites and fucking their shit up, and marxism is the perfect tool to fix this millenium old problem.

>>130801145
The people who print the money that "we" all use own all who use that money.

They are the Central Bankers and many of them are light skinned Jews. The people who put people to work for cheap need cheap labor for Big Profits and their Banker Buddies get to issue massive amounts of credit for each new employee that gets permanently settled.

The Bosses get paid from the sales profits and the Bankers get paid from the interest.

That is why CHEAP LABOR is the primary force behind mass immigration.

Secondary forces include, getting revenge on white people for being more beautiful than Jews and everyone else. Keeping the working class diluted and divided so they can never organize (note how immigrants used to be told to assimilate or go home.)

Greed and revenge on the white man, in other words.

>>130805535
>What about encouraging natality?
Women stop working to have children.
You loose female workers.
Children start working after 20 years from their birth.
It is too late to solve present problems.

>>130801145
>Memes aside, what did he mean by this?

Refugees are worth more than gold for them because their political base will be able to secure a future voter base that will stay theirs.

> Seriously, what is the motivation behind importing migrants into Europe?

Securing a voting base, driving down the working mans wages and driving up real estate prices.

> Cheap labor? Is it an effort to undermine union-backed wages?

The unions are one of the pillars holding up the European left.
What they are doing is simply assuring total political control for the left.

>>130805566

Oh but you see, the people who will scream diversity über alles are usually well off enough to live in gated communities so their contact to the brown hordes will be limited to a Persian doctor who fled in the 70s. Most of the refugees and immigrants are offloaded into working class areas.

>>130802218
Remember when redditors tried to meme him like we did Trump?

They can't do anything right lmao

>>130806097
No. Not to late. It would be hard but not impossible.

>>130801505
One of the most plausible reasons I've heard is that, with the European population falling, and Euro countries in debt, they need to keep the debt ponzi scheme going, and thus need to backfill population. Now, will refugees produce at the same rate as Germans? Probably not. But what else can they do?

I'm entirely unsympathetic (what is automation?), but I don't like explaining everything by Joooos.

>>130801145
>Martin Schulz (born 20 December 1955)[1] is a German politician

Germans, it's always the fucking Germans. It's like they've become the new Jews. How fucking ironic.

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>>130801145
Deporting filthy muslims from jewish clay, since the messiah doesn't seem to be in a hurry.

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“The global elites, using our public education system, pop culture and other modes of indoctrination, encourage people in Western democracies to have smaller and smaller families. We’re told rigorous family planning and abortion on demand are good for our country. The incessant promotion by these elites of sterile same-sex marriages is part and parcel of the same agenda. We are missing approximately 58 million people in America as a result of abortions alone. The fertility rate is down to 1.9 children per woman in the U.S. – that’s less than replacement.”

Having created the problem of population decline, the same global elites then turn around and offer a solution, according to Hohmann.

“Because we listened to them and had smaller families, they say we need to open our borders and expand our immigration numbers,” the author explained. “We must become more ‘inclusive’ and ‘diverse,’ to use the words of the globalists, because we don’t have enough worker bees to sustain economic growth. We must ‘fill in the gaps’ with refugees, illegals and temporary work permits! In short, we must be more ‘welcoming’ to the Third World. Once in the country, these migrants have much larger families than Europeans, Americans or Canadians.

>>130801145
>Seriously, what is the motivation behind importing migrants into Europe?
Genocide. It's pretty simple.

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>>130801145
It's all about money and the continuation of the state.

Europe is going through a phase where we have hit the maximum population possible, we can see this naturally through the low birth rates. This also means that the GDP will not rise, but remain stable.

And with countries such as China, you wish to keep up with their rising economy. In order to do this they must artificially increase the population beyond it's limits by taking in (rape)fugees who are from countries where there is a very high child mortality rate. Those refugees are used to having many children, otherwise their bloodline dies.

What we are now doing is segragration, preventing the aliens in our countries to assimilate by supporting their medieval culture and customs which support high birth rates due to the country of origin.

>>130805857

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts1aidG_hjk here you go friend. He also writes on the Occidental Observer, great site if you're into some of the more highbrow concepts.

>>130801145
European Commission plan directly from their website:
https://web.archive.org/web/20141001103754/http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/policy_advisers/archives/experts_groups/docs/rapport_complet_en.pdf
UN plan directly from their website:
https://web.archive.org/web/20011006060104/http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/migration/migration.htm
Paneuropean Union:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union
Charlemagne Prize:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne_Prize#Recipients
Articles with links and references to historical documents dating back to WW1:
http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2015/03/ideological-and-geopolitical-origins-of-eu-islamization-mass-immigration-and-destruction-of-european-ethnicity.html
http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2015/02/ideological-and-geopolitical-origins-of-eu-richard-von-coudenhove-kalergis-pan-europa.html
http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2015/05/bat-yeor-and-the-eurabia-thesis.html
http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2015/10/transformation-of-europe-into-eurafrican-and-eurabian-mongrel-network.html
http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2017/04/the-coming-civil-war-in-europe.html

>>130806163
You're 100% right and that's what I love most about these middle/upper class whites clamoring for more and more muslims. They'll NEVER have to deal with them on a day to day basis and they ignore whoever will have to shoulder the actual burden of them. Maybe if the rich white liberals took a family themselves directly into their homes, I'd give them the time of day to listen to them. But they won't because they know how insane it is to live among foreign muslims.

>live in a gated community surrounded by walls and 24/7 security
>BUILDING A WALL IS RACIST AND HORRIBLE, BUILD BRIDGES NOT WALLS
>LET ANYONE IN AT ANY TIME COME ON, IT'S 2017!!

>>130806194
>Remember
barely, but thanks for reminding me, that was some funny shit

>>130805267
>They are backwards, but not stupid
Precisely. They have just enough brains to follow simple instructions but not enough to actually think for themselves. Most of middle east averages at 80-85 IQ.

>>130806537
Even if they do have to deal with them, they just turn a blind eye to the regular predations that happen

Just like every liberal area that has regular rapes/murders by shitskins, along with daily robberies

>>130806319
Are you blind? He's a fucking kike.

>>130801505
>-There is the possibility that these people genuinely feel guilty about colonization and slavery and really want to make it right.
>-There are people who are pathologically altruistic, really nice people, who want th best for others even at their own detriment.

Neither of these describe any politician.

Nice people do not end up in control.

>>130806829
>Just like every liberal area that has regular rapes/murders by shitskins, along with daily robberies

The best part is that they will never ever place blame on the piece of shit himself for committing a crime.

>this black guy raped and murdered an old woman
>oh he needs more resources in the community
>they need more jobs
>institutional racism led him to a life of crime

Not a single person willing to go out on a limb and think 'he's just a piece of shit and needs to be taken out of society'.

>>130806933
No liberal in the world is genuine or sincere in the things they say

>>130806537
One thing that's not often reported on is that in some of the most enriched regions they had to cancel almost all of the 'Volksfeste', public fairs or festivals basically. Not even because of the terrorist threat, but because of shit like Cologne. You're not allowed to do racial profiling so if you don't have enough police to keep all the blackies in line you might as well cancel.

We never needed police for that kind of thing before that except to deal with drunks.

>>130806219
Explain Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. Almost no kikes or kababs and even lower birth rate than most European nations and America yet they are just doing fine. It's almost as if your people don't need to be demographically replaced...

>>130803234
>Kalergi
>Jewish
He was a part Flemish, part Greek and half Japanese mongrel.

>>130801145
I unironically blame capitalism. There are no values for them apart from money, they regard their "countries" merely as companies and try to maximize profits WITHOUT any regard to the people, the nation, the culture etc. They want to keep their gravy train rolling, but since their destruction of the family thanks to feminism and individualism (which gives you more wageslaves), they just go with the easiest solution, simply replace the population to ensure "growth" (more consumers, lower wages). They are just lazy and greedy, which automatically leads to the treason we see right now.

>>130801145
Literally, a future electorate that votes these fuckers because they promise them the Gibs.

>>130801145
Why do Americans want us to believe refugees are bad?

>>130801145

He means: muh pensions.

>>130807527
You spelled wrong rapefugees

>>130801145
They don't.
They don't make those decisions.
They sell you those decisions.

>>130801145
Because immigration is good for the economy. Every respected economist agrees on this.

There's no Jewish or Marxist conspiracy to exterminate the white race or any of the bullshit that braindead stormfag mongoloids will tell you.

It's just economics. Immigrants are a net positive to the economy.

>>130801505
You are being too nice: they are marxists and want nothing less than to destroy western civilization.

>>130801505
made me think

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>>130801145

>>130802282
There was still a lot of space, and no welfare at the time. Plus they were white.

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>>130801145
They fuck and murder children for fun, the intelligence agencies have blackmail on them. They are contracted by banks to flood non whites to create a war with the middle east and help expand greater Israel, as well as create a pressure release valve for hatred against jews and banks.

>>130805738
Am not German, but I understand that the Green Party is the muslim party nowadays.

>>130807934
because the modern (((economy))) is a ponzi scheme based on loans. each refugee heads a new loan that will pay the interest rate of previous loans. it will eventually crash and the entire world will have to agree to a new system that limit each persons spending based on carbon credits. that is why no country is allowed to stay outside the system. everyone has to be on board when the collapse occur and the new system is implemented.

>>130801145
maybe because social services are build in like a ponzi scheme?

>>130806454
Yeah I do like to see the more honest and unapologetic ethnic and racial explanations. The one I posted above is actually what I learned from talking to a close Jewish friend.

>>130807934
Economic growth in western nations has been shit ever since this ideology was implemented.

>>130808279
kek

>>130808656
I don't necessarily disagree, but immigration is still good for the economy.

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>>130808824
What the fuck are you smoking? The exact opposite of what you said is true.

Immigration is the only reason western nations are continuing to grow.

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>>130801145
Euroshit owners print tons of money. The only way to keep it in circulation and stave off inflation is to import people who need money and other things to live. It's a ponzi scheme like all other state interventions.

>>130808824
You are wrong.
Shipping jobs overseas, clogging the job market with unemployable people and socializing the losses of the banks is good for the economy. Experts paid by the banks agree. How can they be wrong?

>>130801145

they know it isnt good
they know what they are doing

we all sat on our asses while commies got themselves in positions of power. now they are destroying us from the inside and we are just now starting to realize it.

I'm guessing that it's because most Western European countries have a very low reproduction rate, so there won't be any young ones coming up behind the old to pay for the social programs. Doesn't bode well demographically. Bring in the immigrants would provide a quick source of workers to pay taxes. But, it doesn't look like they are working and are actually being a larger burden on the welfare state.

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>>130808953

>>130808953
Economic growth has been soviet tier except for the nations who didn't adopt this ideology.

>>130808846
>Flag
Why the fuck am i not surprised. Why is immigration good for the economy you shit skinned Londoner? Explain your position don't just assume you are right because you have a nigger face and no one will challenge your assertions. This is why the left are getting politically murdered across the globe.

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>>130808488
Oh ya, and the jews want whites to go to war with each other. Russia vrs the west. The war would diminish our numbers enough for kikes to take over entirely.

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>>130801145

It was done by many different groups for several different reasons:

1) Destabilization. (https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/127129112/#127129112)

2) Population Control/Replacement/Takeover. (https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/123550172/#123550172)

3) EU Army justification/need. (https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/105039741/#105039741)

4) Cause the Jews in Europe to flee to Israel.(https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/125679130/#125679130)

5) Create a "Surge"/Immune System Response in European Countries to create a rise in Nationalism/Populism to defend them.

Talked about all these things across various KB threads:

http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

>>130801145
Over here it's because our leaders' family members have stake in various "immigrant service" businesses. So they know it's good, good for the bottom line.

>>130809092
>kekistan flag
>jew memes

Not even worth debating mongoloids like this

>>130809177
Are you fucking baiting me? You can't possibly be this dumb right? Look at Japan's stagnant economy due to its declining birth rates and unwillingness to accept immigrants. Then compare that to a country like Germany with a sensible immigration policy and record growth and trade surplusses year after year.

>>130809196
>Why is immigration good for the economy
Is this even a real question? There are COUNTLESS studies that show that immigration has a net positive effect on a nation's economy.

Here's just one from Google:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/immigration-does-more-good-than-harm-to-economy-study-finds-1474568991

Show me a single respected economist that claims immigration is bad. I'm waiting.

>>130801145
because they are jews who want to wipe out white people

>>130809438
YOU ALWAYS SHOW UP WHEN I NAME THE BANKS

FUCK OFF SPOOK

>>130806832
Yes he is a German kike, the worst type of kike.
Double the hatred for Europe than the average kike has.

>>130809619

>cites wallstreet journal.

Are you fucked in the head mate?

>>130809438
Frank pls go

>>130801145
>Seriously, what is the motivation behind importing migrants into Europe?
WHITE GENOCIDE!

>>130809438
Fuck off Frank

>>130801145
They hate Europeans.

>>130809815
Would you prefer me to cite Breitbart or Rebel Media you fucking semi-literate plebscum?

That's a study from the National Acadmeis of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine.

Show me a single study that demonstrates that immigration harms the economy.

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>>130808846
>I don't necessarily disagree, but immigration is still good for the economy.
All the evidence suggests otherwise. Immigrants are parasites who immediately go on welfare in the majority of cases. Immigrants are a huge burden and the more of them we take in, the worse our economy does.

>>130809619
every swedish city with large muslim population is losing money. malmö sweden get 600 million euro every year from the rest of the country to avoid bankruptcy. the media still call malmö the role model of sweden

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>>130809619
>WSJ
Kek
>Shills for globalism made a study about the mass immigration policies they support and they found them flawless.
You are a joke

>>130801145
Very wealthy individuals from muslim majority countries as well as anti-West/anti-white countries are pumping large amounts of money and subversion into the political bodies of the West in an attempt to overthrow the global dominance of the West.

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THE JEWS ARE TRYING TO START WW3 BY FOSTERING HATRED FOR SHITSKINS TO CREATE WAR WITH ISLAMIC WORLD WHICH WILL THEN ENCROACH ON RUSSIAN TERRITORY AND CREATE NUCLEAR WAR.


THE DEEP STATE FEELS THREATENED (BANKS) SO THEY WANT US TO KILL EACH OTHER INSTEAD OF THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES.

>>130801145
>what did he mean by this?
He means it would take a lot of shekels to pay people to kill Europeans but rapefugees will do it for next to nothing naturally. They're providing a valuable ethnic cleansing service.

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>>130802772
> they should not panic
> the empire strikes back
they don't even understand what they're saying

>>130810140
Holy shit you're dumb if you believe those stats. Basic mathematics tells you that's fake. Where are the sources? Who conducted this study?

>>130810148
Immigrants are a long term investment.

>>130810162
They didn't conduct the study you uneducated rube. Read the fucking article.

>>130810318
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????

>>130805245
>boomers care much less about the environment than millenials.
The majority of regulations as well as the birth of the hated EPA started in the 70's. I do agree with your general point though.

Prevention of population stagnation people fail to realize that Europe will face the same fate of Japan if immigrants rent brought in so its imperative that the middle class can be secured by high skilled immigrants the problem with that however is that most high skilled immigrants are finding more opportunities with US IT companies which have seen an astronomical boom in recent decades so European nations are taking low skilled workers that cant have the same benefit economically

>>130801145

Many... MANY things

>Cheap labor indeed, Europe has been having artificial wages for too long
>A solution to declining birthrates, saving the retirement system.
>Debt free population to exploit
>Increased economic activities(inmigrants tend to create small low-profit business which definitely looks good on statistics)
>Multicultural circlejerking for the left
>Taking into account that some might actually be real medics and scientists they are also importing trained labor(they were probably taught at some western university)
>For Turkey every refugee is anoher 100.000 euros or so that gets for containing and slowly releasing the refugees
>Political leverage over the region the refugees actually come, since they are literally "eating" Assads people and Jordania might become an example of why NOT to bring and take care of refugees if you are a middle east country
>They test the actual resolve of the European project to know if members are committed or just want eurobucks.
>Whoever is in charge at the moment, the receiving government is going to be importing voters if he manages to do things according to leftards and immigrants

>>130801145
Yet they want to sanction the countries of V4, due to not taking in these 'more valuable than gold' people. Also....seems like Ukrainian proper refugees aren't worth to Germany as much, as they did not want to take any of them in.

>>130809619
Until very recently Germany had the some of the lowest immigration numbers of all European nations but I'm going to entertain your German "record growth" lol

Germany GDP growth 1.7% YoY
South Korea GDP growth 2.9% YoY
Japan GDP growth 1.3% YoY
Poland GDP growth 4.0% YoY

Just admit you are a retard or a pathetic cuck, there is no other explanation for what you advocate.

https://tradingeconomics.com/

>>130810575
>lolbertarian
>Jordan Peterson fan

Kill yourself.

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>>130810517
>Immigrants are a long term investment.
yeah and the harm they do to the natives with the increased crime they cause is just a sacrifice we must take

>>130810517
Fucking retard. As if the ones that made the study aren't shills for globalism like the WSJ.

By the way the article is behind a paywall you fucking globalist cheerleader. Are you too dumb to realize it?

>>130804407
Underrated post. They're basically playing fucking simcity with us as the pixels in cars or on the streets.

>>130810451
Like children, or very smart animals...

>>130810756
Yeah you're right.

Immigration is a jewish conspiracy to exterminate the white race. That makes so much more sense. At last I finally see...

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Could someone give me atleast a bit of an honest assesment about how fucked things are in Britain? Just be aware of your biases

I only see the "everything is wonderful!"
Or the "Britian is dieing" sides.

From what I have seen, it seems alarmingly accurate that the immigration really might cripple the country

>>130810763
Kek, I have literally no idea what you are talking about.
Don't bother, I don't care either.

>>130801505
>cheap labor

We have a winner, we have a quite stable labour market with good laws on the worker side.

Some people have nothing but evil and hate in their hearts. Mostly, these are jews.

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>>130810517
Immigrants are a way to keep money circulating in a time of recession and depression. The refugee crisis is about inflating the numbers and not much else.
These people are violent and dangerous, as is their offspring. But they do eat, shit and waste space, and it keeps many voters busy and it's politically easier to sell it than a regular economic stimulus.
> Immigrants are a long term investment.
That is bullshit and you know it.

Its basically stabilisation of the world to the benefit of the (((0.01%))), taking the top 30% of the world and making them pay to elevate the other 70%

>>130801145
Coudenhove Kalergi plan
That is all.
All jews and their servants must die.

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>>130801145
For neoliberals: cheap labor
For social democrats: voters.
Everyone wins!

>>130810991
Many areas in London are dangerous entirely due to foreign born gangs of "youths" white hate for white people and knives/guns

>>130805374
Germany killing it's entire steal and coal sector
>the two that made the Ruhr Area one of the largest working middle class area of the entire world
was entirely for
>there's no coal left
there's enough to keep on digging for 150 years even if we quadruple the output
>nobody uses coal anymore, we need green energy like solar
>nobody uses steal anymore and the bit we use we import from china
>we apply a 200% carbon tax on every item made
>almost 99% of miners a males, this is sexist, we demand at least 50% female miners working underground but actually they can't work underground because that would be sexist but she could paint her fingernails for the same money a miner gets and stay at home, deal?
>it's the current year, nobody creates his own base products anymore. Like wtf? I'm literally shaking.
>who does manual labour in the current year? Don't you want to get a feminist dance therapy degree and live of welfare like all the cool kids?

>>130810833
>yeah and the harm they do to the natives with the increased crime they cause is just a sacrifice we must take
Unfortunately, yes.

There are downsides to immigration. I never said that immigration was 100% positive. I said it was a net positive.

>>130810854
>the source you posted comes from a publication that regularly disagrees with my views so it doesn't count

Chug bleach, faggot.

>>130811244
>Unfortunately, yes.
fucking cuck, no respect for your own people

>>130811244
Kill yourself you disgusting fucking traitor

>>130811037
There is a distinction to be made between immigrants and refugees. You understand that right?

I know that to most alt-right mouthbreathers like to paint brown people with the same brush but there's a pretty big difference there.

Immigrants are a boon to the economy in the long term. Countless studies have demonstrated this.

>>130809619
>Germany
>sensible immigration policy

>>130805817
i really dont care if you watch it or not

>>130811203
Industry was killed by outsourcing to developing countries.

>>130805817

white liberal guilt & desire to be cucked

>>130811136
Jesus how awful, what is the current atmosphere over there would you say? Especially with a terorist incident happening ever 2 days or so

(((Shultz)))

Every fucking time. It's not a meme. It's right in front of your face

>>130811359
>>130811390
>I want to have my cake and eat it
If you want economic growth and prosperity then you'd better get used to seeing more brown and yellow people around.

>>130811418
If we exclude the recent mishandling of the refugee crisis I'd say that Germany has a very sensible immigration policy.

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>>130802459
Pathetic

The Jews must be laughing

>>130811478
Outsourcing to developing countries (globalisation) is the reason people like you can afford a computer and mobile phone you imbecile.

>>130810517
nope its not an investement its a loss. if it was an investment their countries would be rich and well developed. they will ruin the west and force slavery upon us

>>130811390

He might be a non-white himself, those 'quintessentially european' people are some of the hardest shills, they just want to ignore the only reason their ancestors were brought in was to depress the wages of the natives.

>>130811397

The only case where immigration ever did anything to help the country was the massive European immigration to the USA. All of the other programs, from the Carribbeans and other Commonwealth in the UK, Gastarbeiters in Germany or seasonal farm workers in the USA have only ever had massive negative impact on the population as a whole but resulted in a lot of profit for a few bankers and captains of industry.

And btw I am not a bleeding heart or commie by any means.

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>>130811397
> There is a distinction to be made between immigrants and refugees
None of them are long term investments, both are quick fixes for fuck ups in the recent past. Immigrants fill the holes that a bloated and inefficient education system is tearing into the available work force.
Refugees are the working fluid of an industry that converts tax money into hot air and rape victims.
Wether its brown people or not, I'd still be against it and so should you.
In the long term, both types of peope just add mouths to feed, but wether those mouths will actually produce something worth while to exchange for food is an entirely different question, one you cannot possibly answer in such a glib and dismissive manner in one

reddit

spaced

blogpost.

>>130810964
https://whitelocust.wordpress.com/morality-and-abstract-thinking-how-africans-may-differ-from-westerners/

>>130810517
If immigrants are a long term investment then government should be investing in its own birth rates instead otherwise there is no material benefit instead we have this rotten system propped up by flooding our nation with the third world so the boomers can retire in luxury, the reality is the social welfare system is not sustainable it cannot go on.

>>130811244
It's not that I disagree with it. It's that they are not an unbiased source.
You can find studies pointing out the negative effects of immigration and how uneven are those burdens. The burden falls squarely on western working class, leaving upper class and burgoise clean.
Of course there are less studies pointing out the negative effects because the elites favor cheap labor.

>>130811814

There was a study that showed that an iphone would only be a hundred dollars more expensive for Americans if it was produced in the USA, I think a lot of people would gladly make that tradeoff.

Shitskins are easier to control and far more predictable

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>>130801145
Illegal immigration provides cheap labour. Cheap labour means massive returns. Also no expensive workplace safety regulations, tax avoidance, no holiday allowance.

These corrupt cunts have it screwed down.

>>130810912
yup. They need a good dose of reality.

>>130811634
>If we exclude the recent mishandling of the refugee crisis
I see. So, if we exclude the fact that the Earth is round it might be considered flat?
You do know that they had problems with turkshit immigration long before the current crisis? You know that it's nothing new to have turkshit 'german citizens' who don't speak a single fucking word of german and it has been going on for decades?
>sensible

>>130811814
Nope I would afford it all the same. Maybe it would cost me two times the money unless I buy a iphone or some shit, in this case it cost me exactly the same as all I'm paying for is the logo. But lack of outsourcing would mean higher wages, lower unemployment and more affordability of the really important things like housing or maintaining a family. You can have your phone and shove it up your ass.

>>130801145
Because more than a thousand years of inbreeding made them retarded and emotionally controllable.
They are the literal slave cast designed to replace us.
White flight may be wanted but we should do so before we can be stripped of our assets by those fucking socialists again.
Let them pay for their own welfare.
Ita a pitty about our elders but they pension is long gone thanks to our government.

>>130805609
>isnt it better to give them papers then have illegal immigrants here?

Why is the "throw them out" option not an option?

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>>130802218
Hihihihihihi

Hand rubbing intensifies

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>>130802218

>>130811974
This is another point, Shit eating cunts would rather stiff their country for $100 and spend that much again bribing politicians than employing their own.

>>130812246
Because the sea around italy is already full of trash. Think of the fish.

>>130811835
Holy fuck... Your post is so dumb it hurts. Their countries are shitholes because they're ruled by dictators and religious fanatics. Not very business friendly.

>>130811846
>And btw I am not a bleeding heart or commie by any means.
No you're just an idiot. Immigration benefits everyone. You could argue that the poor and the middle class benefit even more from it. If the economy does well then the poor and the middle class have more purchasing power.

Idiots like you just want to lower everyone's standard of living because you can't stand being around brown people.

>>130811848
You realise that we need low skilled workers right? You realise that immigrants contribute more to society than what they take out right?

Here's a study for all you anti immigration retards:

https://www.oecd.org/migration/OECD%20Migration%20Policy%20Debates%20Numero%202.pdf

I urge you to read it.

>>130811875
>government should be investing in its own birth rates
What does that even mean? Paying people to have children?

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>>130812379

>>130810974
I never mentioned the jews but I assume you are a jew and that would explain a lot. Your hatred for Europeans clouds your judgement and will be your downfall. It's very unfortunate but I have accepted this and will plan for this. Anyway you completely avoided addressing the facts and figures I posted.

>>130812070
Oy vey they just came for ze wörk!
Stop pretending they arent valuable members of society just because less than 5% ever got jobs and make up most criminal networks in germany!
Fucking racist!

1. They genuinely believe that all groups are equally intelligent. If given "opportunity" these low IQ third world retards would thrive and be productive members of society.

2. It's good for the rapefugees and migrants themselves, so there's a humanitarian aspect of it.

3. In toy economic models raising "L" (labor) increases gdp/per capita by increasing specialization.

Combine that with a quasi-religious belief in anti-racism/egalitarianism and you have what you have.

>>130809438

Set your spine beetles on them Frank!

>>130811893
>It's that they are not an unbiased source
For the last time, the study wasn't conducted by the WST. It was done independantly by academics.

>>130811974
Show me that study. If iphones were made in the US they would probably cost several thousand dollars.

>>130812070
We're talking about immigration you mong, not the recent refugee crisis. That's a drop of water in the ocean. Try to see the big picture.

>>130812193
Well I'm glad you're well off enough to be able to pay £3000 for a phone but not everyone is.

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>>130805081
>Tfw too smart to win

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>>130812461
>Idiots like you just want to lower everyone's standard of living because you can't stand being around brown people.
but brown people are the main cause of poor standard of living

>>130810517

Right, because America's "long term investment" in blacks has really paid off right?

>>130812461
Yes they should be pursuing pro growth population policies instead of shipping poor bastards around the world to work minimum wage jobs. It's truly terrible, not only do i find it repulsive we strip from the third world countries the educated elite of their society to work middle tier jobs in ours. How can the third world ever develop if we take their human capital away it is an unsustainable system for all sides.

>>130812552
So I hate Europeans because I want to see them become wealthy, successful and enjoy a high standard of living instead of stagnating?

You're a fucking idiot.

>>130801145

Because they are elitest fucks who only care about themselves. You get the negatives they get the increase to people buying shit and cheap labor. Your taxes pay for it all.

>>130812787

There is zero difference between an 80 IQ Syrian rapefugee and an 80 IQ Syrian legal immigrant. It's about race, IQ, and culture.

>>130812787
Again. It doesn't matter if the original source are globalists shills themselves.

>>130812461

How does immigration benefit everyone if it lowers wages for an already very vulnerable sector of society (working class), lowers their social cohesion, increases costs for social programs and security, etc.

The only ones who win are people who are in a position to exploit that cheap labour (high finance and industry).

>>130812931

Europe is ALREADY wealthy you retard. European countries along with East Asian ones are already the the wealthiest and most prosperous in the world. Gee, I wonder if that has anything to do with the average IQ of those two countries? I wonder if mass importation of <90 IQ third worlders will harm this? I wonder if having a growing, tribal, low IQ, culturally disparate third world minority will lead to a decline in social trust and civic unity?

You're INSANE.

>>130801145
The World's real leaders, the largest global banks and multinational corporations want to take the reigns of power away from Whites because we are historically very hard to control. The French Revolution, the American Revolution, and so on. We have these ideas about individual liberty and freedom, and The Bill Of Rights, limited government, and likewise concepts that non-Whites never really concerned themselves with. They're instituting a one-World global government and White people show far too much potential to disrupt their plan, so the American and European Union governments have decided to flood historically White countries with non-Whites until we're just bred out of existence. Then they'll be left with a dumber, more compliant, more easily controlled population.

Socially engineered genocide.

Basically. The browner you are, the more likely you are to vote leftist. Leftism = total control. An added bonus is the disassociation from culture, to create a race of domesticated humans devoid of culture and identity. A race that's easily enslavable and easily used to further the Bilderbergs wishes.

Just imagine if you were part of the elite establishment that controlled this world, and your plans were to have domination of the planet. Every time you wanted to take away freedom from people, you were met with resistance. Every time you tried to sign something that gave you more power, you were met with resistance. This very resistance is also known as the West.

This is why they want us gone, us white people are a burden to the (((elite))). We're the only race of people that resists tyranny. We're the only race of people that absolutely love freedom and independence, they won't allow that in the New World Order.

Who do you see standing up to the NWO? Asians? Nope, Africans? Definitely not. Arabs? Eh, there's theories. But, it's always white people saying "well, hold on a second, you can't do that" and because of that, we must be purged.

>>130813158

And gee, who is it that dominates high finance and industry again? Oh right.

>>130812825
>but brown people are the main cause of poor standard of living
How are brown people making you poor?

>>130812853
Blacks in the US weren't immigrants.

>>130812908
>How can the third world ever develop if we take their human capital away it is an unsustainable system for all sides.
It's hilarious to hear this argument from an alt-right faggot like you. Don't pretend for a second that you give a damn about those third world countries.

It's cheaper to import labour than to pay natives to get knocked up.

>>130812787
And the person that thinks that having an iphone is more important than having a better job, a house and the possibility to form a family at their twenties is a complete moron.
If your point is that you can only have a phone if it's made by the Chinese then you are full of shit.

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>>130812461
> You realise that we need low skilled workers right?
Do you own a mine or is it the case that European business cannot compete with foreign business because your taxes and wages are too high?
> You realise that immigrants contribute more to society than what they take out right?
I never said the opposite, in fact it's the only reason bourgeois upper middle class wastes of space and air like you aren't working in the coalmines like you should.
I think you don't understand the studies you throw around. Of course every person that works for less than the average wage in their sector will render a profit for the employer. Of course every low wage slave you "need" for your slave labor clinics you run up there will "contribute" to some grand number.
The problem is what these studies don't measure. The strain these immigrants and refugees pose on the education system, infrastructure etc. has to be paid for, and it's the taxpayer who's on the hook. Now, what you don't realize because you don't intend to work in the private sector is that the individual taxpayer doesn't profit from immigration, but only a select few. In effect, you're plundering the poor to make the already rich and mighty richer.
As I said, I don't care about the skin color of the people you want to import. I care about the fact you want to import and exploit them.

>>130812931
Importing hordes of welfare parasites, low IQ retards, criminals and terrorists is good for the economy ? Are you a fucking Soros or Merkel shill ?

>>130801145
Because immigrants vote for their retarded bullshit they want to push on everyone else.

>>130801505

Heard a good argument that part of the problem is Blairs fault in the UK. He expanded government money for private religious schools because he was christian/catholic whatever he is. Now Islamic schools benefit from it and Muslim communities can raise their kids separate from non Muslim Brits.

Its a mix of things obviously. The massive import comes from fear of falling population.

>>130807513
That explains it for leftist parties, but what about, say, CDU or FDP?
They are onto this bullshit as well but the votes would clearly go to the gibs parties.

The same in America. The Republicans didn't do much against illegal immigration as well even though they perfectly well knew that they all will vote Democrats one day. They lie to themselves about something along the lines of "they are naturally conservatives" because they are Catholics.

No, I think it's all about money and nothing else. They don't value a homogeneous society at all. They just redistribute from Social Capital to GDP.

>>130813294

Why does it matter if they were or weren't immigrants? Does their great, great, great grandfather being a slave make a difference somehow? Why are Jews so successful if they were routinely pogrom'd and genocided and expelled?

~80% of psychometricians who study cognitive ability accept a partial genetic understanding of racial IQ differences. Read Rindermann/Coyle/Becker. Jews are successful in spite of historical oppression because they're genetically high IQ. Blacks are not successful because they're genetically low IQ.

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>>130812461
>No you're just an idiot. Immigration benefits everyone. You could argue that the poor and the middle class benefit even more from it. If the economy does well then the poor and the middle class have more purchasing power.
Just thats not how reality works.
More competition lowers wages lowering puchasing power causing stagnation to consumation leading to reduced economic growth.
Calling people idiots whenyou are wrong doesnt make you any less of a liar unless you truly believe what you are saying in which case you are stupid.
Id like to say retarded but ita obvioulsy arrested development reaching into criminal stupidity.

>>130813294
>How are brown people making you poor?
they don't right now, but there are real life examples like major nonwhite cities in USA, muslim nogo zones in london, sweden, france, russia

>>130812931
I don't care who you hate and I never mentioned jews in my post, I find it interesting you should bring that up. Anyway do you care to address what I posted in regard to immigration being a driver for GDP growth.

Until very recently Germany had the some of the lowest immigration numbers of all European nations but I'm going to entertain your German "record growth" lol

Germany GDP growth 1.7% YoY
South Korea GDP growth 2.9% YoY
Japan GDP growth 1.3% YoY
Poland GDP growth 4.0% YoY

Just admit you are a retard or a pathetic cuck, there is no other explanation for what you advocate.

https://tradingeconomics.com/

>>130813003
>There is zero difference between an 80 IQ Syrian rapefugee and an 80 IQ Syrian legal immigrant. It's about race, IQ, and culture.
What's your point? I don't give a damn about the IQ of low skilled workers. We're not trying to import astrophysicists.

>>130813052
Any source that is pro immigration are "globalist shills" to you. What's the point?

>>130813158
Because by benefitting the economy as a whole it increases the purchasing power for the general population thereby raising the standard of living across the board.

That's not to say that some low skilled natives aren't adversely impacted by immigration. I said on the whole immigration was good, not that it's without drawbacks.

>>130813213
Do you understand how our economy works? It's based on perpetual growth. Just because we're wealthy in western Europe doesn't mean we can just stop growing.

Again with regards to IQ the argument is meaningless. We don't need bricklayers and taxi drivers to have high IQs.

>>130801145
Schulz is a self-hating alcoholic jew. Thus, he views the world through that lens of self-hatred, and thinks that all Europeans must think and feel like he does, because surely he's a product of Europe, and not his own psychosis. Thus, Europe not only needs to be cleansed, but deserves it.

>>130801145
What is the only thing the Jew desires more than gold?

>>130813294
>It's hilarious to hear this argument from an alt-right faggot like you. Don't pretend for a second that you give a damn about those third world countries.

Shit skinned cunt no one here is alt right, maybe the kek flag idiots. I don't want my country flooded by browns like you it is the most sensible solution and is a sound argument, that fact you dont have an argument just an adhomiem makes it even more true. The only reasons child care costs are high is thanks to dick heads like you who place pressure on working families.

>>130812684
>less than 5% ever got jobs
#firegermanpostalworkers
>Fucking racist!
Funny story but true. My parents raised me not to be racist or discriminate based on ethnicity and nowadays I'm actually pussy tier in comparison to them when it comes to the current invasion.

>>130813746
>Just because we're wealthy in western Europe doesn't mean we can just stop growing.
infinite growth is impossible because we have finite resources

Same reasons Dems love minorities. A stupid loyal voting base which allows them to push through leftist policies. They are trying to import enough to change the demographics which will put them in power permanently.

>>130813775
That his dick wasn't mutilated?

>>130802675
Thank you for posting this, I came here just to save this image cause I knew it would pop up again. I have some friends in Germany who need to be red pilled badly.

>>130801145
Cheap labor. It's a selfish elitist ploy to enrich bankers at the expense of their own people's safety and genetic makeup.

These "leaders" need to be rounded up and imprisoned (or worse).

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>>130801145
Short and easy:
>be germany
>everyone want make career
>most people get to university/college
>nobody wants to do the lowpaid-jobs
>tfw you import a shitton of shitskins without any education
>CDU and SPD already gave an OK for 1€-jobs

>>130802599
>empty parliament

That's how much they care.

It's inevitable really.
>Europeans have massive welfare states
>Europeans aren't having children
>Europeans don't want to give up their welfare state or pay more taxes to balance the budget
>EU imports people that are having children to pay for the welfare (even if they are currently a drain on the economy the next generations should be a net positive)

>>130802282


There was just about zero public assistance also. And those people were mostly white and even then people like the Italians and Irish took shit for awhile till they earned respect. My family always made sure to make it known they were American first Italian second.

Hell the first generation here didnt want to admit they were born in Italy.

Liberals are retarded Nationalism and being able to see everyone as your people is what makes integration possible. Im not sure if the darker people have ever fully been a part of it.

Latinos stand a chance at least the lighter ones.

>>130803155
What the fuck

>>130812461
you are just uneducated on the subject. they are a profit only because our economic system is based on loans that requires a constant addition of ever increasing amount of customers to avoid collapse of the entire system. in the long run it is completely unsustainable and unfair to the people. it will collapse and they will eventually create a new system based on carbon credits that will limit population growth and consumer goods for the entire globe

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>>130812461
>migrants arrive with skills and abilities

>>130814035
Exactly. Return income to families instead of taxing them for welfare and watch birth rates rise. To do this you need to
a) tell old boomers to shut the fuck up
b) kick out the free loading browns

It is the Coudenhove Kalergi plan.
It is no coincidence.
The game plan of the elite.
In his book "Praktischer Idealismus", Kalergi explains that the citizens of the future “United States of Europe” will not be the people of the Old Continent, but a new mixed breed, the products of thorough and widespread miscegenation. He states that the peoples of Europe should interbreed with Asians and other non-White races, to create a multiracial population, with not clear sense of tradition or identity and therefore easily controlled by the ruling elite.
This was written in 1925.
Let me break it down...
Create a fictional bad guy, a boogeyman, Al quaida, taliban, isis, to justify illegal wars not only for monetary control but to destabilise a continent.
Label the aftermath a "refugee" crisis.
Flood white countries with Asian/African immigrants.
Emasculate the native males.
Install multiculturalism, and political correctness to silence those who appose.
Hypersexualise and actively dumb down society through "pop" culture.
Subliminally encourage mixed race relations.
Give it a few generations and bang there you have it...
One world
One race
One religion
One government
Complete control.

>>130802841

Its corporate thinking. Make a step and if it needs more work you will make another. They actually thought it would be labor. They thought it would draw companies to them.

i dont buy the cheap labor excuse, where i work there's lots of low iq people with bellow avg iqs making 19.2k per year.

>>130802841

Isnt automation cheaper without the risk of a robot going full akhbar?

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>>130813969
My pleasure, and good luck redpilling.

>>130813312
Without immigrants you wouldn't have ANY of those things you dumbfuck. Who do you think builds houses? Natives don't want to do that shit.

>>130813319
So you're against immigration because you think immigrants are being exploited? It's their choice to come here! If I lived in Africa I'd be on the first boat over to Italy I could find. Life is much better for them here.

>>130813326
Yeah it is. It turns out that you don't need a high IQ to do most menial jobs.

>>130813669
Holy fuck please stop with the IQ nonsense. I don't give a fuck if immigrants are smart or dumb. It doesn't matter one bit.

>>130813698
>muslim nogo zones in london
There's no such thing. Stop believing the garbage you read from literal autists on /pol/.

>>130813672
I acknowledge that there is a small subsection of society that is adversely affected by immigration and I agree that something should be done to help them.

I stand by my assertion that immigration on the whole is good for the country and the economy.

>>130813620

CDU/CSU and FDP are massively pro business and pro globalisation, which both benefit a few people very well. Remember the CDU oversaw the first Gastarbeiter programs which had no positive impact at all. First the Greeks and Spaniards and Italians, which supposedly came because of Labour shortages (as in: we want cheaper workers). But fair enough, they went home when their time is up. But then came the Turks and this is one ulcer we still have to live with today. There was actually quite some resistance to the Turks but America forced it through, they wanted to keep their new Turkish ally who was experiencing rapid population growth stable, so the CDU talked about giving people their homes in Prussia and the Sudetenland back while taking in 300k Turks.

Today you probably hear a lot how the Turks helped rebuilt the country which is fucking bullshit, Germany was well rebuilt and had great living standards again by the time the Turks came.

>>130808846
Not when you look at GDP/capita.
And even if it was there would still be a tradeoff to be made:
Do you want 2% more GDP/capita and be a stranger in your own country or are you fine with normal growth but still be around your own people?

>>130813969
Good luck, we will all need it.

>>130801574
And today you see us building a wall. Maybe you should take a lesson from what we're doing now.

>>130813746
The vast majority of growth in GDP/per capita over time comes from Total Factor Productivity growth. That's typically taken to mean technology. Low IQ rapefugees aren't pushing the technological frontier and neither are US niggers. The only real challenge from declining population is funding national retirement systems, and only then because of the way they are structured. Moving from a defined benefits system towards individualized accounts and subsidized investments would fix that fairly easily. That's far less of a challenge than the challenges brought by mass influx of low IQ culturally disparate third worlders.

>>130802717
Why is immigration so lopsided? 80% men can't make many babies.

>>130813735
Okay so all the leading econonmists are wrong and you're correct. GG mate.

>>130813793
Well I don't want to lower the standard of living of my countrymen just because you're uncomfortable around brown people. Fuck off.

>>130813878
Well that's a problem inherent to capitalism I'm afraid.

>>130814134
I assume you have a better system then? Let's hear it.

>>130814147
They don't need skills or abilities or high IQs. They're here to do menial labour.

>>130801505
That last one

>>130801145
Because immigrants are good
For them

>>130814379
>Who do you think builds houses? Natives don't want to do that shit.
False there is plenty of housing built by natives you cunts aren't pyramid builders. Another hilarious thing is thanks to the flood of browns swarming in most western countries are experiencing housing shortages. This benefits the elite.

>Holy fuck please stop with the IQ nonsense. I don't give a fuck if immigrants are smart or dumb. It doesn't matter one bit.
This is bullshit, IQ matters alot if IQ didnt matter then the subhuman jungle countries these brown skinned savages came from would be paradise.

Your arguments are shit.

>>130813746
>Any source that is pro immigration are "globalist shills" to you.
Pretty much
I have been at the university. My economy professors were huge globalist, economic liberalism shills, the academy is almost completely devoted to this ideology. And I say ideology because that's what it is at this point. They refuse to acknowledge the negative effects of globalism and immigration for the western working class. If someone is unable to recognize that globalism has deep negative effects for the native working class his opinion must be completely dismissed because it is clearly deceitful and biased.

>>130802032
What? Are you irish?