Protectionism Fail

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>>130799016
>moving to a country that has absolutely no problem stealing your intellectual property and selling it for pennies on the dollar leaving you with fuck all

>>130799016
It's a bluff. He'll talk it out.

>Cars which have a bad history with quality moving to a country with 0 quality control
The Japs are doing a victory lap at this point

>>130799016
Why do you think Jap and German auto factories are here in the US? With shipping its too fucking expensive to produce at home and send abroad. China is not Mexico so it only makes more sense if those vehicles were destined for Asian market anyways.

>>130799113
Yeah they'll steal the idea of an "F-150"

>>130799016
It's not a fail at all, he never said 100%

He still sins because they still didn't build it in Mexico

>>130799016
One more reason for me to buy Toyota. Had a 2016 Ford and the transmission shit itself within a year. Luckily it was still under warranty. Ford can choke on a bag of dicks.

>>130799016
so we wont buy anymore ford vehicles.

>>130799373
This

Not MY vehicle

>>130799016

Protectionism is always bullshit. You only have to stop and think "at what level is protectionism optimal"?

What if an industry wants to move to a different US state? Would it be better to be protectionist at that scale? If not, why not? Why is protectionism perfect at exactly the scale of modern nation states.

And why is protectionism at the scale of European nations good, but not at the scale of US states? Why does is not matter if companies move around in the US, but it does if they move around the EU?

If protectionism *is* good at smaller scales, how low can we go? Can we go to the level of individual towns? How about streets?

Maybe all businesses should be forced to stay exactly where they are and not change in any way so everywhere can benefit from protectionism.

Protectionism isn't even an internally consistent idea.

Y'all need to understand the theory of comparative advantage.

If anyone says "it's just a theory" then you're just showing you're a retard who doesn't understand that theory and hypothesis are two different things.

>>130799016
>buying a Ford
>le V6 Ecoboost
Ford are the Jews of the automotive brand. Go with Mopar.

WE DIDNT WANT THE FACTORY IN THE US ANYWAY AMIRITE, FELLOW PEEDS?!

>>130799993
MOPAR... isn't Chrysler owned by fiat now?

>>130799016
>cheering as your country men are put out of work because it may cause some discomfort to people you disagree with politically
Way to show that working class spirit am I rite gomrade?

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>>130800143
Indeed, but they make good cars and trucks.

>>130799016
I think that internal combustion technology is so well understood that it doesn't matter if Ford wants to sell cars in the Chinese East Asian market. Good for Ford. The North American market is well supplied already.

>>130800306
Gommunists are inherently globalists. They're cheering for their chinese comrades.

>>130799016

WINNING

Put an additional 20% tax on all Ford vehicles sold in the US would be a good start

>>130799016
US Protectionism has always been great.
Just continue, you will have the best protectionism ever. Believe me. You will get a lot of money, billions and billions of dollars.

>>130800306
>cheering as your country men are put out of work because it may cause some discomfort to people you disagree with politically
This is literally what Trumpfags do all the time, autismo

>>130800313
no they dont, dodge is fucking shit

>>130799016

Trumps position on companies eliminating American jobs, closing American factories, and building new factories in other countries is that they would then sell that product back into the US.

Trump never gave two shits about building plants in other countries to sell the product there or to other countries that aren't the US. Which is what this new Ford plant will do in Asia.

>>130799939
>reductio ad absurdum the post

They are also moving a good chunk of their canadian production to Mexico.

Canada is the biggest loser out of NAFTA but Trudeau is too much of a cuck to bring it up. It's why Trump felt safe slapping tariffs on Canada instead of Mexico and China.

>>130800675

Only the part where I reduce it to street level is.

That is not an argument against the rest.

>>130799350
Jap cars are top quality and I'm not even a weeb

>>130800638
>le Dodge is shit meme
Dodge has the longest lasting and most powerful pickups. As long as you don't buy gay little cars with 4 cylinder engines you can expect top quality with Dodge.
My father once had a work truck that had a Cummins in it. Thing had something like 1600000 kms on it and the engine was never worked on. He sold it at that point so I don't know how much longer it lasted after that but it was one hell of a truck.

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>>130799016
KEK, this won't happen in the end but even if it does it will DESTROY Ford's reputation even more. They will look like they're avoiding America at all costs and disregarding its people, it will be the worst PR bomb since the VW fake emissions - leading to millions of Americans boycotting Ford's cars. Dumb cunts.

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>>130799016

>American flag
>Bragging about American company worming its way out of hiring American workers so it can use third world slave labor.

You lefties truly are a fucking train wreck of retardation.

>>130799350
Seriously this. Ford recalled a ton of their transmissions and they're still shit.
Grandpa got a 2012 focus and the thing was damn near undrivable

>>130801445
My mother had a 13 or 14 Fiesta and same thing happened the transmission went in it. Luckily it was covered by warranty. Shortly after there was a problem with the seals in the interior and mold started growing in the trunk. She got it cleaned up, got rid of it and then bought herself a Jeep. She has had no problems with her Jeep so far.

>>130799113
(((intellectual property)))
the chinese have problems, but give me a break

>>130801241
>everyone who criticizes muh god emperor is a leftist
Haha epic Pepe pic btw anon, Kekistan ftw :^)

>>130799016
All he has to do is impose tariffs on importing their shitty cars back into the US to the point where it would have been cheaper to just have made them in the US in the first place

>>130801963
>>>>/cm/

>>130802120
This. I mean I'd never buy a Ford but if I was looking to buy a truck and Ford had a shitty Chinese assembled one for $50000 while another brand had the same kind but built better for $30000 I'm going with the $30000.

>>130801963
It's true faggot. Who the fuck would enjoy and praise a national brand's disdain for its own country. Who would cheer them leaving the US and giving jobs to chinks instead of their own people? You need to be severely autistic and hate your own nation to think that's good.

>>130799016
>china
Well, I wont be buying a damn thing from ford in the future.
Id rather buy one of those shitty german cars that you cant work on without pulling the motor for every small thing.

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>>130802444
Trips of Truth

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>>130799016
Where did it all go so wrong...

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>>130799016
Pic related

they're working so hard to make this seem like a failure, when it's actually a publicity stunt to drive negotiations in 2019.

Nafta requires that any car made in Mexico to be exported to the US must have 63% of parts coming from the US.

>>130799113
Literally nothing. All owners care about is the fact it has a "Ford" log on it. Doesn't matter if it comes from China. As long as I can buy my F-150 it doesn't matter who the labor is sold out to.

I WANT Ford to pay for moving their company but who can blame them when the chinks will prostitue out their own workforce for pennies on the dollar compared to American labor rates. The consequences of 'MERRICUN companies moving their business elsewhere needs to outweigh the money saved by the move to China.

I just sold my old 2005 trailblazer for a kia forte after it's transmission finally died when I was on the highway. Pretty comfy car

>>130802554
I think it started with the 1973 oil crisis.

>moving production of a tiny shitty economy car
>because americans aren't buying them anymore
>so you can retool the plant to re-introduce the huge,gas guzzling FORD FUCKING BRONCO

W I N N I N G

Meanwhile, japanese and german companies commit to Mexico.

Get chinkd, amerisharts.

>>130799939
>Protectionism is always bullshit. You only have to stop and think "at what level is protectionism optimal"?

at nation level, since anywhere within the nation is subject to the same tax. moving outside the nation and you lose tax income.

>>130802908
>Kia
You might as well get "I love dicks in my ass" tattooed on your forehead.

>>130802953
That sounds about right. The oil embargo happened and everyone started ditching their muscle cars for little shitboxes from Japan. I refuse to buy anything with less than 8 cylinders. 4 cylinder cars are fucking garbage.

>>130802712
Trump is a cuck bent on destroying America. Literally putin's puppet. Everything he's done has been designed to destroy America.

>>130799210

This, it shames me to admitted but modern Ford is fucking garbage.

>>130799016
Protectionism always works

>>130803233
I heard their Powestroke trucks are still good but I can only imagine how long it will be before they ditch the Powerstroke for some shitty eco diesel engine.

>>130799016

Well, he did say if U.S. companies did this he would place a heavy tax on cars built outside the company. Not to mention the Chinese wont buy them since they place very high taxes on American goods. This is a pretty dumb move by Ford. This President isn't Obama, he wont give them kickbacks to keep their company afloat.

>>130803401

Only thing Ford is good for is the F-150.

>>130803113

Taxation is theft.

>>130803113

Also, your argument would apply to towns, counties, and states within the US.

Only a small portion of taxes are paid at the federal level.

>>130803176
Be nice please anon!

>>130803416
>Not to mention the Chinese wont buy them since they place very high taxes on American goods

Aaayyy fuckhead, Buick's been big over there.

I see not one fuckface in this thread actually read up on this. They're shifting Focus production to China so they can use that factory for SUVs, which are back in demand. Kys thanks

>>130801002
Hey dumb fuck, the engine is made by Cummins, not dodge. Why do you think rednecks call their dodges "Cummins" instead of dodge? Because they're fucking embarrassed driving a piece of shit know as a Dodge (but hey the engine is good)

>>130803520
>F-150
Everyone I know who owns one of these has troubles with it. Not to mention this stupid V6 Ecoboost shit they're trying to push on everybody.
I can see maybe 20 years ago the F-150 being the best quality gasoline truck.

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>>130803205
Get back in the truck anon, its ok

>>130803524
Exactly. Theft is most profitable business. When you allow companies to move outside your taxation you lose money.

>>130799350
Ford builds their Fiesta and Focus cheap as fuck to hit emissions standards. Buy a Taurus or Fusion or F150 if you want a quality vehicle from Ford dude.
Every whine about Ford is always on their shitty economy cars, what do you expect? It's an economy car! Buy a real vehicle before you bitch.

>>130803714
?
The hemi is made by Dodge and it is also a fantastic engine.
I have a Hemi and it has only 32000 on it right now but I have had no issues with it yet. I have talked to guys that have them too and they last forever as well.

>>130803842
This

>>130799016
sigh. another future victim of the curse of trump.

>>130803729
To be fair Ecoboost is a result of Obama's draconian Cafe regulations

Fuck Ford, they shut down the last car manufacturing plants over here recently.

>>130803842
I agree that taxation is theft but when it is in the best interests of your nation it is understandable.
Give businesses who operate within your country tax breaks and penalize those who try to take loopholes.
There is nothing wrong with corporatism but it has to be national corporatism otherwise you are whoring yourself out for greedy Jews trying to make a buck off of you.

>>130799210
yep

>>130799016
What can you expect from the economically illiterate.

>>130803885
Did you even read my post retard?

>>130802444
>this
Looking at some 335s already
My monthly payment will even be cheaper than a fucknig ford how the fuck

>>130804119
Then why are Dodge and Chevrolet still putting V8s in their vehicles?
I can understand to the point of making economy passenger cars but it doesn't belong in utility vehicles or sports cars. Christ, even their 2017 GT has a twin turbo Ecoboost in it. Who the fuck is going to spend upwards of $100000 for a turbo V6? If I wanted that I'd go for a Nissan GTR or something.

>>130803842
>>130803842
>Theft is most profitable business.

It's profitable for the thieves, but it damages the victims. This redistribution of wealth to someone who can't know where to best allocate those stolen resources that could have been used elsewhere damages the economy.

Eliminate taxes and the minimum wage, then the company stays.

Alright so what domestic car brands have a high % of parts/labor actually being fulfilled by Americans?

>>130804420
Yeah. You're calling Dodge shit. The Hemi is still a good engine that is made by Dodge so it is not a quality issue with the vehicles themselves.

>>130799113
This will impact their government contracts. Ford is huge because most police and government agencies buy them based on their "Buy american" policies. This will only further alienate Ford from the LE/GVT market and shift profits to other makers like Chevrolet and Dodge, which has been happening more since Ford displaced manufacturing on the Crown Vic.

>>130799016

Good fucking riddance, Ford is fucking garbage anyways.

>>130800026
kek

>>130804704
The reason they moved their plant to China is because the mexican government cancelled contracts to buy their cars out of spite for cancelling a plant earlier this year.

>>130804443
I was looking at some bmws, I cant remember what models are affected, but they use that stupid unibody bullshit and its defective on some of the bmws and will rip in half.
There was one video I saw, the back of the car was pretty much detached from the front of the car and when you turned you could see the floor wobbling around.

Have a good mechanic look it over before you buy it.

>>130801789
>intellectual property
Yes its called like that you dumb fuck, jesus you burgers have a low IQ.

When a company starts a production line in China they have to give everything to them, fucking ALL!
They send delegations to review your company and how you work, you have to print them all relevant documents you have and give them to out. One builds an empire for 100 years and you give it out for free because its cheaper to produce there, well guess whats happening, chinks copy our products...

After the production is setup and all rolling out it takes about one or two years to see EXACT clones of that product. They dont appear on our markets because of obius copyright issues.

>>130799016
>Chinese made Focus

Rip anyone who buys these future michael bay simulators

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>>130803176
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAXGuD_f3Kw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUk9F2uWbk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq52IUB2h2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1RDrj3V2Ts
>Not liking these
I remember being all about MUH VEE-ATEs too, but some japcrap is pretty damn sweet.

>>130804607
Im sorry anon, but you're retarded. You obviously got it from your mom though, since you both think Jeeps are good vehicles kek

>>130804490
>It's profitable for the thieves, but it damages the victims.
But it is so profitable it unavoidable for victims. If you will not tax others will. So you better lead and streamline this process, make it not so predatory and damaging.

>>130804580
Rossion

>>130806291

Poor Russian, you've lived under a kleptocracy for so long, you started to identify with your captors.

Pure Stockholm syndrome.

I mean, its not like the US factories were building em right.

>>130806291
>But it is so profitable it unavoidable for victims. If you will not tax others will. So you better lead and streamline this process, make it not so predatory and damaging.

That is a very Russian argument. This is just an example of might makes right. I'm not convinced. While it's likely at the moment, it doesn't have to be this way and that is where we must aim.

>>130799939
Protectionism is supposed to protect "us". So the answer to the question "at what level should it work?" is "at the level that protects all of us".

Now the concept of "us" has varied through history, but most countries consider "us" to exist at the nation state level. If its not the same for the americans then why do they even bother with a union.

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Tired of winning yet, drumpfkins?

>>130799016
Die, treasonous scumbag.

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>>130806765
>This is just an example of might makes right.
take beaver pill

>>130799016
don't American cars suck anyway? why does Trump care if we produce them if nobody wants them?

>>130799939
>makes a retarded post

>>130803524
>confirms autism-spectrum retardation with this post
Reminder that libertardians are almost as detrimental to humans as liberal marxists are, and should be purged as well.

>Ford
>American
They are Jewish not American
They haven't been American since the 70's

>>130805956
Jeep Wranglers are good vehicles. All the cookie-cutter soccer mom SUV's with the Jeep logo on them are of dubious quality, I'll give you that.

>>130801002
Dodge is shit stop sucking their dick
Chevy is shit
All of our domestic producers are shit and have been for decades

>>130799016
Fuck Ford, anyone who buys one of thier shitty vehicles should also be shipped to China.

>>130807248

Nice argument you have there.

Deffo not just an ad hom.

Fords suck dick, probably because the parts were already made in China/Mexico and shipped back here for assembly
Fucking jap cars are better, probably because their parts are made either in Japan or in the US

>>130799238
Do you know how many new dealers have sprouted in mexico? I work for kia corporate. Spent 2 mos in various different mexican cities. One city got new kia, hyundai, lexus, 2 ford dealerships and a mazda all in the same year. Because credit in mexico has become very accesible in the las 3 years. Its destined to have more new vehiclrs sold than canada by 2020. Also the mustang, ranger pickups are still made in mexico.

>>130803094
It looks like shit, just like the ranger
This is fucking the eclipse retrofit all over again

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>>130807071

Take the Lysander Spooner pill.

>>130799350
Japs have by far the best quality. American cars are pure garbage.

>>130806835

But the interesting this is, you have a prisoner's dilemma type situation.

If no countries engaged in any protectionism, then all the world would be significantly richer, including the US.

In order to protect their various definitions of "us" then all of the individuals in all the groupings are worse off in the long run,

>>130807983
The best thing that happened to the world economically speaking was the international division of labour engaged in the 1800's. Every single part of the world was decent, even Africa.

>>130799993
Not supporting Cummins, or a real truck. If you need a gas engine get a sedan or something.

>>130799939
>1+2=3

>2 is a number

>5 is a number

1+5=3

KYS

>>130807751
It's not meant to be an argument, dummy. Just simply pointing out your retardation for those ITT. Your shitty (literally the product of being on the autism spectrum) arguments have already been debunked here anyway.

Fords are garbage anyways

>>130804704

>Ford displaced manufacturing on the Crown Vic.

This. See A LOT more Chargers than Interceptors

>>130799016
Reminder that (((Ford))) is a piece of shit.

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How is Trump the asshole here?
People should be shitting on Ford.

>>130799016
FOUND
ON
ROAD
DEAD

>>130799016
why is the picture of a windstar/free star? those were made in canada. and they fully stopped production of that vehicle 10 years ago

>>130800634
Hurr trumpfags are tards so I'm gonna be a tard too

>>130807963
Idk i bought a 2004 saturn vue 2 years ago with 90,000 miles on it from a buy here pay here and the only thing iv had to replace was brakes and tires.
Im actually really impressed with how well it runs because im no grandma when it comes to driving.

>>130800143
Actually now they aren't. It was a merger of the two into one. Even so its been good for them, the only problems they have had is trying to get kinks worked out of a new 9 speed tranny design.
t FCA fag

>>130801209
The articles are all over the place pushing different narratives:
"Ford moving from mexico to china..."
"Despite Trump, Ford moves..."
"Negotiations failed... Trump busted again..."

Here's what's happening:
>Ford makes the focus
>The focus sucks, and people stopped buying it
>China has a market for it, Ford is seeking more profits
>No Ford Focus' made in China will be shipped to US.

Take a look at the 2018 lineup so far. No Focus there; at least not for the states:
https://www.ford.com/future-vehicles/

>Makes shitty cars
>Surprised when no one buys them
>I know, if we move to China we can save the business because it's cheaper!
Brilliant.

>>130799016
Thanks, won't buy anymore fords now

>>130799238
Toyota makes a shit ton of cars here

>>130799016
>If you buy a Ford, you're a commie piece of shit

Memes on the way

>>130800313
Ever heard of the PT Cruiser?
Its a cuck- mobile

>>130799016
Fuck. And I was gonna buy a Mustang, too.

Oh, well. It's not like there aren't other American cars, and I don't trust a Ford engine made in China.

>>130801209
>leading to millions of Americans boycotting Ford's cars.

Oh yeah? What will they buy instead? Wolksvagen? FIAT-Chrysler? Toyota?

>>130799016
stop buying fords, its that fucking simple.

>>130807963
Almost no cars are made in America except from foreign manufactures

>>130811405
Get an R/T Charger and youll just laugh at all the mustangs that go by, because you know you could spank the shit out of them if you wanted to

>>130799016
See what you did you fucking idiots. Now Ford will move to China AND you will get illegals that would rather be working domestically in a Ford auto plant.

>>130811879
Or do a better burn out

>>130799016

What the fuck is wrong with those stupid companies that can't lose a few stupid bucks for the greater good. Hope the Chinese steal all their designs, and they get fucked in the ass.

>>130799016

Globalists gonna globalism

>>130811879
If I'm not mistaken, it seems like a lot of police forces have made that EXACT decision.

>>130811879
this, fuck shitstangs

>>130804704
Government agencies have issues with buying cars (or anything for that matter) made abroad and/or by foreign companies because of security reasons.

If it turns out there was a recording device built into a van that's used on a Army base, who do they sue when the van was made by BMW?

If the van was made by Ford, but built in Mexico; now they have to get rid of their entire fleet because there's a greater chance it wasn't just "one lone wolf."

>>130811939
kek this too

>>130799016
You should keep buying german cars. Atleast thwy produce in the US. I think BMW wants to expand its capacities.

>>130799016
Protectionist cronies BTFO again. Can't beat the free market.

>>130812594
Suing BMW and involving international courts makes it a difficult issue. Also, there's no guarantee that BMW might not be doing something nefarious on the behalf of the German government.

Buying from American companies gives you a lot more legal leverage over not only the product, but the people running the company if something were to happen.

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>>130799016

why would you celebrate this you fucking piece of shit. FUCK YEAH JOBS LOST TO ANOTHER COUNTRY FUCKIN FUCK YEAH FUCK DRUMPF FUCK AMERICA FUCK MY COUNTRY FUCK MY LIFE

>>130812594
they'd have to do alot of work on their image in america first, it's mainly an executive's car here. volkswagen is more widely accepted by working class people, but by and large german cars that may be everyday cars overseas are still a luxury brand here. maybe if they build more here.

>>130799016
Kek, Ford's gonna get fucking cucked because of this.

>>130812176
It is the, the Police love the Dodge Law design. Not just for the power but also other things like integrated computer. The integrated computer taking up less space/ good angle display really hit a key with a lot of departments as well. If you get an AWD R/T charger like the 5.0 gets, ohhh baby those bitches stick to the road like glue

Glad I stuck with Subaru

>>130812976
Only wrx though

>>130807446
>dodge is shit
>hasn't seen the new Demon
>840 horsepower, 770 lb of torque
>0-60 in 2.8 seconds, quarter mile in 9.8 seconds @ 142mph
>literally the fastest street legal production vehicle ever manufactured
>yeah but they're shit tho
You don't know what you're talking about.

most of their components are made in china anyways. They want as low cieling as possible to make profit instead of supporting their own country/people. Fucking hilarious.
I hope Trump still holds office when they go bankrupt again so he won't bail them out this time. Good riddiance

>>130812768
Because of reasons, you wouldn't usually be suing the conglomerate known as BMW, but rather "BMW of America", or whatever they named their American subsidiary, which is an actual American company "headquartered" here.
Also, kill yourself flag fag

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>>130799350

>Toyota
>Not Chevy

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>>130799016
>don't move that plant out of the US!
>move out of the US and I'll sanction your ass
>okay not Mexico, China instead :^)

Wait, what? I don't get it.

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ITT: people who haven't read Henry Ford's book.

>Pic related

Ford are officially commie scum.

>>130811299
You mean the car they stopped making 10 years ago? Way to stay relevant grandpa

>>130799016

What is your estimate of the amount of times ole Henry has rolled over in his grave?

97 feels like a good number

>>130813172
>not going with the million mile brand

>>130800643
These cars are going to be sold in burgerica, dummy.

>>130813057
But the demon is like $90k.
Why not buy a Supra and mod it for that much

>>130813321
is ford alive?

>>130813157
>Not grasping the core problem

So suing a subsidiary that guarantees that no one that actually made any of these decisions even sees a courtroom.

>>130799993
Mopar?

You have to be a troll.

>>130799350
Ugh still??? I had a 2006 Ford Escape and the transmission went out 3 fucking times!!! Went with Toyota for a Highlander and a Camry and have never had a major problem since. Fuck ford and their shit cars. Japs are fucking based trump supporters anyways. I don't mind giving them my money

>>130813084
This

Fords are full of all kinds of shitty components now. Do not buy.

>>130813384
Yes, he was cryogentically frozen like Walt Disney.

>>130813373
because it wouldn't hit 840 horses, or be half as sexy as the Demon.

>>130812800
Because it triggers autistic redditors like you

>>130812401
It's not just that, it is accountability. If they buy from the cheapest country and not their own it becomes much harder to police when a corporation is robbing the country.

>>130810883
They're going to be sold in USA, fellow magapede.

>>130799939
Kys globalist faggot

>>130813038
The Outback is nice, especially here in Colorado.

(((((They))))) have moved America's auto industry to forgien countries to destroy our self reliance as a country and to get rich off it.

>>130803885
>muh Hemi

You're joking, right? Broken valvesprings and coil pack issues galore.

>>130799016
>making your trucks in China
Good luck selling a Ford ever again when your vehicle's frame collapses because a government shell corp used subpar metal in manufacturing

>>130813463
Kek Mopar is the only American brand left that has a real presence on the world stage. Jeep is the best selling American brand in the world.... period. Even foreigners love the Jeep. When the pope came to America what did he order to make the rounds in, thats right a custom made pope wrangler

>>130813172
>buying gubbirnment motors product
>ever

>>130813788
True. Chinese steel is known for being below commercial grade.

>>130813550
Theres a supra with 3k horespower.
Although I will admit its frankensteined.
But the Demon does look good, kind of like all the other Chargers

>>130813492
Yeah that's because Ford WAS shit in 06. After the bailout they seem to have gotten their shit together.
>Toyota
>hasn't made a car over 250 horsepower in decades
How are you not embarrassed to be driving a cracker box?

>>130799016
I bet they had already been planning this way before the Mexico thing.

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>>130813923
>Doesn't know about the Camaro ZL1

>>130813986
>I'll admit it's frankensteined
Ok so you'd have to spend more than 90k to get it to the level of the Demon, good to know. Go watch a video of a Demon at a drag strip. It's sexually stimulating watching that machine operate.

>>130813778
Ive actually talked to the tech about that specific failure before. Your about 3 years old and the valves werent the issue you fucking larper. More importantly the problem was only experienced by a small portion of owners. Wanna know why, they were idiots who like to rev their engines high rpms while it was not under load was the issue. Aka idiots who buy a car for muh ego

>try to move your business to another country for cheap and questionably illegal labor
>the president stops you
>move your business to another country for cheap and questionably illegal labor
>meanwhile americans are losing their jobs and niggers are starving in detroit
>libtards are so nearsighted all they care about is 'fuck durmpf and fuck white ppl'
>literally cheering for economic decline

>>130799113
Intellectual property is a socialist invention. If you don't make the better product it shouldn't matter if came up with it first.

Besides, no one wants to touch ford's 'intellectual property' with a ten foot pole.

Just buy used.
There's not a single advantage of buying a new vehicle in 2017 that isn't in one way or another related "muh social status"

>>130813923
GM has been doing AMAZING things
>Dodge Demon, fastest production car ever made
>Cadillac CTS-V is faster than the M5 and Mercedes AMG in a figure 8, quarter mile, 0-60, 0-100, and Nuremburgring
>an American car beating Germans at their own game: the ultimate luxury/sport sedan

>>130814265
We're cheering for Trump's failure, because it's fun watching you Trumpanzees twist in the wind

>>130805111
>chinks copy our products
what did they copy from the spanish? castanets?

>>130814079
>pozzed by shit plastic

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>>130814531
They just used the CTS frame to build the Camaro ZL1 and stuffed a super charged 6.2L pumping 650hp.

I wonder how the M5 would fare now.

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>>130814531
>dodge demon
See you in hell

>>130804580
Honda is actually produced vastly in America. I have a v6 accord assembled in good ol Alabama.

>>130799016
>My country is losing jobs and production haha! TAKE THAT MY COUNTRY! IM WINNING!

>>130814531
They're still shitboxes with cliff-tier depreciation. Buy this shit if you want to remain poor.

>>130814255
https://youtu.be/zTD4Mwn5kM4
Fuck the demon

>>130799016
They will have to pay a tax for cars that no one will buy then, KEK!

>>130809875
My goodness, looks how stupid and retarded this fellow is. I haven't seen someone so stupid and retarded before in my life.

Ford is a (((they))) of course they're not helping him

>>130799016
I don't buy Ford and I sure ain't buying chinky ford.

>>130799993
MOPAR or walk

>>130814880
Hes not wrong, this is actually part of Honda philosophy. They like to build the cars in the regions they do business in, they dont believe in just selling a product and leeching profits from a region. Honda is a very good company and they deserve their spot and reputation. If you going to buy a foreign car, buy a Honda. Toyota has started taking the ford/chevy philosophy of milking profits through cheaper sourcing etc.

>>130814619

We aren't sycophants for Donald Trump, and we aren't twisting.

Keep smugly cheering on the decline of your own country, your just delivering more people to our side just like how you delivered Donald Trump his victory in the election.

>>130799016
Jesus Christ Ford, if its like that I would rather have had Mexico get the plant, they are actually in need of the money and aren't breathing down our necks to be the #1 economy. Fuck me, I never wanted to see that happen, if this is just a clever ruse good on them but that is not the spirit of what Trump is saying. Move it back to Mexico then you poor ass nigger company, gosh.

anyone who knows game theory knows protectionism will never work, free trade has to be the way forward

>>130799261
No, they'll steal the automation technology and manufacturing tech used to build them. Technology Ford spent 100's of millions to develop.

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>>130799016
Ja-eye-na

>>130799373
That's ok, china will

>>130815360
Does game theory explain making burdensome legislation in your own country that disincentivizes all production

>>130815271
How much are you beng payed to shill for (((honda)))?

>>130812848
BMW has the 3 series or 5 series both affordable cars for the masses. Also yes the cars are a bit more expensive but tje guys assembling the cars have great sallaries. The money is going directly into middle class white america. I think the biggest BMW factory is in the US.

Volkswagen also produces in the US a lot of cars. Also I doubt US manufacturers pay their us workers nearly as good as german car companies. And they support cities like michigan 80% nigger hellhole.

>>1308
I dont get it but jesus that fivehead

>>130799016
>1 post by this ID
Tariffs will be instituted then.

>>130814977
Wow that stock, straight off the line supra sure is fast!!! Oh wait. No, you're retarded. Any rich fool can spend a quarter of a million dollars on some rice, still doesn't help the fact that the Supra sounds like a fucking vacuum cleaner.

This is exactly why "American" automakers tanked in the first place. They started building cars in China and out of Chinese parts. So we bailed them out, now they're back to it again. Fuck em. Let them fail this time. I'll drive my Nissan.

>>130815474
>Does game theory explain making burdensome legislation

I'm an ancap, you're too retarded to realize that we are in favor of getting rid of ALL regulation. If the USA was ancap we'd compete with China just fine thanks to having no regulation and therefore cheaper, better cars you communist faggot

>>130814967
>is presented with objective facts showing GM's dominance
>yeah nah they're still shit
Fuck off retard

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>>130815163
>Ford starts building F-150 line in China
>Constant problems. Quality control went to shit (even worse than Mexico)
>Fucking chinks keep jumping off of the roof trying to end their suffering
>Had a literal factory explosion (the first since 1925) because these chinks are too cheap to put filtration systems in the engine building rooms.
>Trump keeps tweeting about how unamerican our product is now.
>Rednecks won't buy our trucks even if we sucked their dick secure a sale
>3 years later, a bunch of turn over at chink factories
>China now producing the Furd F-150 with the exact same specs at 30% less price. Selling on Amazon with 90% positive ratings WHAT THE FUCK!
>Beg Trump Admin to help us and stop China from stealing our IP

>>130799939
There is nothing wrong with protectionism, but the US implementation of it is dogshit and Congress is too pro-globalization to do anything about it.

>>130814853
Good to see GM competing with itself to put American cars back on top.

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>>130799016
>mfw they lose all of their federal and state contracts

Silly fucks.

>>130814815
The M5 eats American tire smoke every fucking day

>>130815601
So your average American is gonna buy a $90k demon
And Straight pipe it

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>>130815273

Ding ding ding

If that retard can't get it after this, he isn't capable of having a grown-up conversation.

>>130815490
Im not but Honda gave me my break in the industry. On your first day at working for Honda they explain( Company Propaganda yes ) but they follow suit with what they say. Ive had the benefit of time to see they are not full of shit. That was literally more than a decade ago and all Ive seen is them deliver on that promise and open more American factories. They get this shilling for free and because they are a worthy Mopar competitor.

Imagine the faces on these globalist pricks if the cargo ships start getting sunk in port with their cargo loads onboard.

>>130815922
Nuh uh sweetie.

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>>130815490

Henry Ford was a ferocious antisemite.

>>130815601

I'm sorry man but the 2JZ motor is actually one of the most reliable for making big horsepower, not many passenger car engines can make 1,000+ HP reliably, and they aren't THAT expensive to modify. Can you just build a big block to those numbers and call it a day? Sure, but so can anyone else.

t. /o/tist

>>130815512
Quit shilling your shite cars, kraut

I've owned 6 cars in my life, and the German ones were the worst. Clearly designed to have fault points such as the shit tier injectors used in VAG TSI units, that is a £700 fix when they inevitably break. That is deliberate planned obselesence from spineless German designers looking to profit from ignorant foreign consumers who see a VW badge and think "well made". Don't get me started on BMW and Merc who went down the shitter two decades ago.

Fiat and Peugeot are now more reliable cars than anything German, since they opted to improve their bad reputation through quality rather than ride on their good reputation and churn out crap as the Germans did. A cheep and cheerful Fiat-Chrysler turbocharged petrol will last twice as long and produce more power than a VAG one. Same goes for the diesels, the 2.0TDI is even worse.

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>>130815601
> Muh Supra go vrooom

>>130816353
You guys get all the shit cars now, huh?

>>130816353
m8 you forgot ass backwards to work on. Germans seem to have their own line of thought when it comes to designing a fucking engine

Hahaha stupid reptards

>>130816497
Yes, German built VWs are now as bad as your Mexican built ones.

Most reliabile car I owned was a British built Ford Mondeo

>>130799016
Who cares, fuck Mexico.

1000000% tax on Ford.

Fuck them.

>>130817406
>Reeeeeee something I don't like! Tax it! Tax tax tax!

Get the fuck outa my board commie

>>130802271
>>130801963
This, die in a fire you insufferable faggot.

>>130804704

Yup, plus all the employees of Ford that come back from China. All of their devices will be tested to make sure the Chinese wifi they connected to didn't embed anything.

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>>130803401
>>130803233
>>130799210

They're moving their little cars to China to avoid tariff. They will make bigger cars here. I'm pissed because this car is pretty good, Ford had a big upshot in quality and now it will just be more china shit.

>>130817789
We're American. Taxation isn't theft here, it's punitive. Go the fuck back to Bartertown.

>>130817789

Difference between taxes and tariffs is important.. still, slam them in the wallet

>>130811995
Then they donate to charity.

If I was a billionaire my charity would be operating a large factory at a slight loss. Allowing thousands of Americans to work

>>130799016
>Looks like Trump's deal didn't work out after all.
Trump pressures company not to move to Mexico...

company moves to China.

People forget (In the real world) that Auto companies are global. Ford is not a US company, and neither is Honda. LOTS of companies make cars or parts here in the US. It is totally up to the consumer to educate themselves. This is a non-issue. Ford focus will now be made in china, where that model sells much better. Go figure.

You want an "American Car"? Build it yourself. Learn to read Vin numbers when you are shopping....There are many many cars made in the us, and it changes due to markets.


t: That guy that only buys american made cars.

>>130799016
Great job, frombf.

>>130815273
There's nothing I can do now except laugh. I tried everything I could to keep cheetodick out of office, but you assholes just had to have your liberal tears. Now it's my turn to drown in your never-ending salt.
>we aren't sycophants
/ptg/ would like a word with you, faggot

>>130819975
>You want an "American Car"? Build it yourself

Lawmakers do everything they can to stop this, look at tesla. Thats why its BS, you don't even get an option.

>>130820131

The only one salty here is you, we keep gaining more and more ground everyday baby

>>130799016
MURK MURGURGURGUR GURT GURGUR

>>130799016
It's not protectionism because Trump didn't do anything to enact protectionism.

Ford is a piece of shit, but there is no protectionism that has been signed into law YET. Buy Toyota, made in the red state of Kentucky. Their trucks are fucking sick too.

>>130823503
>YET

You mean never because Trump is a con man.

>>130823503
Republican congress passing a protectionist bill is so laughable but what do I expect from leafs.

>>130807401
Wrong. As someone who's owned two of the older models, I couldn't bring myself to pay $40k for a plastic piece of shit this time around. I miss my fun wagons, but they are overpriced junk now.

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>>130814880
>>130815490
>>130816049
I kinda want to buy a civic type R

>>130800397
the chinese are clearly not globalists, they literally want world wide hegemony.