Should religion be treated as mental disorder?

>>130760126
Should Atheism?

>>130760126
No as it is just a form for non aware egotists to find their own happiness.

>>130760126
Atheism is the belief in nothing.

God always existed

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>>130760126

>>130760126
>God is dead - Nietzsche. Nietzsche is dead - God.
What are you whinning about OP?

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>>130760507
>Atheism is the belief in nothing.

Atheism is not a belief.

>God always existed

proof?

>>130760772
>Nietzsche
>atheist

>>130760871
Nietzsche was literally an atheist.

The universe expands from nothingness.
Earth forms 4 billion years ago.
Modern man comes about 200,000 years ago.
Evolution.
Modern man still hates gay's.
Almonds activated.

>>130760840
Atheism is the belief that anything which cannot ever be empirically proved is always false.

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>>130761028
>>130761139


>Christians actually believe this

just think about it, take all the time you need

>>130760288
yes
>>130760840
>atheism is not a belief
what is it

>>130760126
Its better than gays who fuck buttholes filled with poop

>>130760840
Athiesm is a belief that there IS no dieties, and they have no hard proof

christian is belief in a god, who has no hard proof.

hell even the big bang is a massive speculation.

>>130760507
>God always existed
[citation needed]

>>130761256
The big bang most definitely happened on basically every scientific level.
Also whats the difference between gays fucking buttholes with poop and straights doing it?

>>130760126
you should consider why religions warn agains sodomites and degenerates also biggest cucks and degenerates are atheists close second pagans

Faggot Kommie Kuck science claims everything appeared from a Big Bang sounds about right ?

>>130761211
Bad b8 desu.

>>130761509
>The big bang most definitely happened on basically every scientific level.
It was also developed by a Catholic. Non-meme Christianity has no problem with it.
>Also whats the difference between gays fucking buttholes with poop and straights doing it?
Both are wrong.

>>130761509
there is none you fucking sodomite

>>130761509
All forms of ass play are degenerate.

>>130760126
it's funny how people who claim to be so smart can't even FATHOM the possibility that something exists "outside" our universe and its laws.

that's like npc's from any random mmorpg debating whether computer programmers exist, or whether their computer universe just popped into existence by "chance".

>>130760126
Pretty sure God hates a lot of people, not just gays. I see what some of you look like.

>>130760840
>>130761139
you need to prove that the universe wasn't created because logic dictates if something exists in our universe something else had to create it.

Atheism is the belief (without evidence) that the universe wasn't created and it magically appeared out of nothing.

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>>130760126
I do love the meme, but religitards need to be redpilled through conversation, not memes. It's always the memes they bring out when we get to discussing shit and they never have many real arguments. It depresses me.

>>130760126
Atheism is the belief that there was nothing and then suddenly a giant explosion appeared from out of nowhere and made everything after that.

And also homosexuality which is detrimental to the passing of genes makes perfect sense.

>>130761893
Yes, but scientists don't claim that nothing existed before the big bang. Instead, scientists are humble enough to admit they don't know what happened before the big bang. Religious people are arrogant in that they claim to know the secrets of the universe when in reality they know nothing, just like the rest of us.

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>>130760772

>should a human cultural artifact that is observed to develop in literally every recorded civilization and is common to the overwhelming majority of human beings both throughout history and in modernity be considered a mental illness?

Because there's more than one post by OP in this thread I'm going to dignify the idiotic question with this response: that is an idiotic fucking question. The greentext above plainly explains WHY it is an idiotic question. If you'd like to criticize religion writ large on some other, marginally less idiotic grounds, I invite you to do so, but seriously that construction of the question is stupider than building a hammer out of blown glass.

>>130762189
LOL most astronauts and NASA engineers and scientists were very religious; a catholic communion mass was even performed on the surface of the moon

It's only recently that atheism=science became a meme

>>130761028
I don't hate gays and never have more than Christians and Muslims, who execute them. Thinking???

>>130762047
Where in the bible does it say that your wife cannot put her pinky in your ass while she gives you a blowjob?

>>130762309
>haha we can't prove le big bang BAZINGO XD but it totally happened xDD

Atheism, not even once

>>130761139
Atheists cannot refute this, and most will accept it.
Can you not see how this idea is flawed? Who is to say all that is is all that can be verified. A key flaw is that we decide that reality has no intrinsic non-physical properties. The quality of conscious experienve is enough to show that this isnt the case. Sure you could map it to brain scans or whatever, but those scans cannot fully describe the actual experience

>>130762459
Somewhere around the city of Sodom getting BTFO

>>130762197
I'm an atheist and you just built a straw man argument. You lose.

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Atheist Model
>the universe the result of absolute randomness, your conscious is nothing more than electrical synapses, there is no point to anything and nothing truly matters

Theist model
>there is a higher entity that goes beyond human comprehension, the universe is the way it is because of this entity which ultimately provides meaning, morality, and reason to the universe

so either you believer the universe has no order, everything is random and we are in a perpetual state of unknown chaos because science disproves some old desert text written 2000 years ago

or you believe like everything that exist, there is a higher entity in control and there is reason for things to happen, that our universe is not this result absolute Darwinism

science dos not disprove God, it can disprove the bible but not the philosophical entity that which is God, hell science states that we are more likely to be living in a simulation than a universe devoid of God, just look up Elon Musk believes

As long as there is a greater than 0% probably of God's existence, than it is vary likely that there is a God or an all powerful entity that which claims the title of God

its just we don't have the scientific means or philosophical capacity to study or interpret the idea of "God" as of 2017, kinda like trying to explain Electromagnetic fields to cavemen

>>130762309
I literally don't know a single religious person who claims to "know the secrets of the universe". Quite the opposite in fact.

It's only the crackpots and cult leaders who say shit like that. Religion is not about 'knowing' anything, it's about faith.

The fact that you think this is what religious people believe shows how totally unqualified you are to even talk about the subject.

>>130762181
Nobody says the universe came from nothing except Christcucks constructing strawmen. Nobody knows what came before the big bang, or what caused it. It is, however, demonstrably true that most bodies in the universe are moving away from each other, from a single point.

>>130761256
Why do people need to prove deities, which you fucking misspelled? Why?

THERE IS NOTHING THERE TELLING US WE'D BETTER DISPROVE DEITIES BECAUSE HERE THEY ARE WRECKING SHIT AND CHANGING THE WORLD.

>what is burden of proof?

I'll tell you what: it's why people can't go into a court room and say :so there's zero evidence of why Paul raped Robin, but let me ask you, can you disprove that Paul DIDN'T rape Ryan?!?!?!

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>>130761139
ATHEISTS BTFOD

>AMERICA ISNT REAL BRO, ITS NEVER BEEN PROOVEN TO EXIST
-European, 1492

>>130760126
Evolution selects for religion, every successful society has religion. If anything those that profess to be irreligious should be classified as having a disorder. Either they are not telling the truth or they are a genetic abnormality

God exists and if god happens not to exists humans need him anyway and have created him

>>130760126
Believing in a non-ethnic religion should be.

>>130762197
Nobody has ever seriously claimed the big bang occurred from nowhere

Homosexuality solves overpopulation

>>130761989
You. I like you, and you're right.
That's why all the real Christians (including the ones in my family) don't have a problem with gays unless they get too wrapped up in establishment religious bullshit.

>>130762613
Disprove the argument faggot

Going even deeper, autistic atheists think after le big bang, everything formed from particles of dust, and evolution is the act of different particles bumping into each other millions of times, eventually creating everything, including ourselves.

>>130760126
Your meme is bullshit. It specifically says in the Bible that God has always existed, without beginning, and without end. Faggot.

>>130760126
No, but homosexuality should.

>>130761220

It's a perspective. A belief requires faith. Atheism is the lack of faith.

Christ tards eternally BTFO.

>>130762181
Bro do you even know what the big bang is? It's a response to gravity. Things existed or else nothing would've come from the big bang.

Please. For all we've learned right now, your 'God' is the biggest black hole, the center of chaos and destruction, at the center of the universe.

>>130762790
So where did le big bang come from? Show me on a map please

And faggots dying out is about the only good thing about faggotry. Thank God for AIDs

>>130760126
hmmm put like that it sounds just like the big bang theory.

>>130762676
You've never met a religious person who KNOWS that they'll go to Heaven after they die, or that God has some secret special plan for everyone, even 9 year old kids who die of leukemia? I'm gonna call bullshit in that one, buddy

>>130760126
Yes, and so should capitalism, bigotry, and libertarians and fascists.

>>130762418
Yes but their religion didn't EFFECT their SCIENTIFIC UNDERSTANDING or ACADEMIC INTEGRITY. That's where you fuckers fail, and hard.

>>130762836
And the Bible is worth taking at face value because...?

>>130761893
Capitalism is Jewish, not communism.

>>130762467
How else do you explain the fact that everything we've observed is moving away from the same point? Why did God do that???????

>>130762582
>God, the all loving, all knowing, forgiving friendly man in the sky turns Lot's wife into a pillar of salt for looking at a pillar of flame engulfing her home town
>yeah let's believe this guy over Stephen Hawking or Einstein

>>130760126
Of course. If your best friend started talking to somebody you couldn't see or prove to exist (yet they perceived them to be there and directly influencing their life), you'd want them to get psychiatric help to conquer these delusions.

Praying is no different. It's just a more socially accepted delusion...

>>130763008
surface of the moon?

yeah right

>>130762997
Don't forget Communist, marxist, maoist, trotsykites, etc etc

>faith
>proof

Why is everybody confusing these two things lately?

>>130763099
wrong, both are Jewish

what is the hegelian dialectic?

>>130763122
This is why religion needs to be purged, it doesn't contribute anything to add our evolving and progressing species.

>>130763166
>everybody
You mean theists on /pol/. They're basically reddit with their, "Listen and BELIEVE," horseshit.

>>130762961
That's called 'faith'.

Some religious people have very strong faith because it gives them comfort and meaning in their lives.

That isn't 'knowing' and it certainly doesn't mean that they claim to 'know the secrets of the universe' either.

Saying "I know God has a plan for me" isn't the same as saying "I know all the secrets of the universe and fuck science".

>>130763157
Communism is free from religion, unlike you, we are superior in regards to scientific advancements.

>>130763099
Communism is a ponzi scheme to encourage every citizen to give up their wealth to the state, so that the state may abolish itself.

>>130762627
>Atheist Model
>>the universe the result of absolute randomness, your conscious is nothing more than electrical synapses, there is no point to anything and nothing truly matters

As an atheist, the model is that the universe is not random, although we do not fully understand the universe it seems not to be dictated or created by a creator god that favoured the humanoid form. God is wishful thinking, an ever-present eye in the sky that isn't there.

Ultimately there is no point to anything, but that is the far future. But since we live in the present and knowing your own mortality makes life even more worth living. Even preserving your race is more valuable.

>>130763053
What is another popular collection of thousands of years worth of historical events?

>>130763102
That point is God

>>130763111
>gives clear instructions
>decide not to follow them
>shit happens

Wow, wtf god??

>>130762899
lol you have faith in your BLACK SCIENCE! MANZ

>>130762926
Nobody knows (or even claims to know) how the big bang occurred, but scientists have determined an approximate location by observing the way galaxies move away from one another.

How do you know that God created everything? Show me on a map.

>>130763307
And why is that a bad thing?

>>130763298
That's why there's been so many successful communist countries...o wait

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>>130762627
I like people like you, it's just that once you see what the fuck really happens on this Earth, to living people and to animals and etc... you can't ever, EVER accept that there's some all-powerful force controlling it, because if you do, you'll have no choice but to understand that force as
>evil as FUCK

I'm not memeing here, this is what I think myself and most other athiests understand. There is no 'belief' when you see millions of people slaughtered, children, babies, horrific diseases, rapes, murders, real living people completely robbed of an entire life through the most suffering and injustice possible...

It just doesn't work any more. It breaks, and can never be "fixed." Do you understand???

>>130762806
I disproved your argument. It was a straw man. As in, I, as an atheist do not believe what you told me I believe. You lost so hard, faggot.

>>130763008
lol what? how?

You're making some pretty major assumptions there, about a lot of things.

>>130760126

Sometimes yes. But most of the time it should be categorized as a scam perpetrated at the expenses of emotionally sensible ppl.

Organized religion should be illegal.

>>130763314
I'm glad that there are some intelligent people on here.

>>130762727
Gadsden flag god damnit, where are you from? You are a cool nigger that I want to have a few drinks with.

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>>130760126
Yes. In fact they should be treated as animals.
Muslims gonna jihad.
Leftists let their pets off leash, leftists must be held accountable.

>>130762806
Your argument implies that particles are nothing. Do you really think that? Further inquiry: do you really think about what nothing means, since you use the word so candidly?

>>130763390
Those were socialist states, communism only exist when all the world is stateless, classless, ridden of poverty/crime/religion.

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>>130761256
>>130761256
>hell even the big bang is a massive speculation.
>speculation

yep your flag makes perfect sense now

>>130761220
>>atheism is not a belief
>what is it

lack thereof


>>130762124
it's funny how people who claim to be so smart can't even FATHOM the possibility that something exists without a creator. It's like you can't exist without being an NPC in a degenerate video game.

>>130762136
>Creates people
>hates his creations
almonds = activated.

>>130762181
you need to finish elementary school to post here

>>130762393
cancer occurs in all living things as well

>>130762418
did the bible get them to the moon or was it a physics book?

>>130762467
you must finish middle school to post here

>>130762627
>so either you believer the universe has no order
that's not what science claims, stopped reading there

>>130762719
>>130763122
>>130763443
10/10

>>130762806
>>130762937
you need to finish middle school to post here


>>130763166
>>130763252
thanks for pointing it out, faith has no place in our language, it's the equivalent of a mental disorder.
I believe you are a giraffe.

>>130763314
This.

>>130760126
No but you should

>>130760507
>atheism is the retarded belief that something came from the inherently unstable concept of absolute nothing
>religion is the sane and rational belief that a wizard with no origin did it and if you ask where he came from we whine

Well that answered OP's question

>>130763555
You cannot argue with people hooked onto the opiate of our species.

Retarded atheistfags can't accept that unknowns exist in the world and one of them might be a creator.

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All ideology is a mental disorder

>>130763314
>Ultimately there is no point to anything
Not a shred of an argument to support this

>>130763667
Why are religious people so moronic?

>>130763267
You know, the most petty thing about this fucking argument is that "God" gives these kids that die horrific, unjust deaths a pass because, well gee, they're just too young to understand!

It literally says that in the bible, and how fucked up and petty is that? Why would you worship such a God to the end that you would give everything in your life and soul to "him?"

Makes me sick. It's your life and your mind - be who you are.

>>130763708
>burden of proof

Again, religitards prove they cannot even reliably use Wikipedia.

>>130763364
So really it's just a bunch of unprovable hearsay? Hmmm, really makes me think

Geometric design woven into the fabric of our universe, ie Golden Ratio proves Intelligent Design

>>130763385
>dude give up your shit
>commies actually think this is a good thing

>>130763410
Noe you're strawmanning faggot because your flismy worldview got BTFO

>>130763536
No, I'm making inferences form the atheist perspective.

>first there was nothing
>but then there was something
>and that something made everything
>BUT DON'T MENTION GOD REEEEEEEEE

>>130763544
>not real communism

O i am laffin

>>130763394
A creator figure need not meddle in corporeal affairs.
Much in the smae way a nigger father just leaves his creation in a dumpster.
I think there is no knowing of the "beyond" apart from personal experience.

>>130763555
>cancer occurs in all living things as well
Yes, it does, and it tends to kill them, making it fairly maladaptive. Religiosity in the general sense is not maladaptive; in the specific sense it can be (suicidal cults don't tend to propagate very effectively, for example) but mainstream religions do not achieve their prominence by accident. They actually have value that is made manifest by their capacity to spread and dominate cultures. That is not a subjective value, by the way; as much as a value can be objective, it is one according to cold Darwinian logic.

>>130763555
>did the bible get them to the moon or was it a physics book?

If you ask them -- and many have -- they'll tell you it was both.

Christian values created the civilization that wrote the physics books which eventually got men to the moon. And Christian values and work ethic drove those men to achieve what they did.

One would not exist without the other.

>>130763733
Refute it, niggerlover

>>130763854
>>130763742
Do not waste your time with religious people, just prepare to purge them at all cost. They are toxic to our specie's advancement.

>>130763555
No, you need to unschool to post here.

The big bang is as much bullshit as the creation myths of religion.

The universe is driven by the electric force not gravity.

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>theres no proof for god

>the clouds go behind the sun

i dont think atheists get it

>>130760126
Only if it gets in the way of peoples reason, say like the religion of SJWs, Antifa, Islam and the guys who keep fighting over the Christian vs Pagan thread on here.

>>130763267
>Saying "I know God has a plan for me" isn't the same as saying "I know all the secrets of the universe and fuck science".
You and I both know that millions of theists agree with the latter statement. This is why we have suicide bombers.

>>130763872
You did not provide a valid argument. How is advancing our species bad?

>>130760126
Should autism be treated as mental disorder?

>>130763555
You need to learn to counter argue, faggot

>dude le big bang totally happened
>except we can't really explain it
>or anything that happened after it
>except juvenile theories of bouncing particles
>p-pls believe us ;_;

>>130762181

>logic dictates if something exists in our universe something else had to create it.
>if something exists in our universe something else had to create it.
>if something exists in our universe
>in our universe

>you need to prove that the universe

Is the universe "in our universe"? No. So your point about causality within the universe itself is irrelevant, since the universe does not contain itself.

The universe is a spacetime manifold. This means the universe *contains* time, among other things. The universe is not contained *by* time. Therefore a universe cannot be created, except by nucleating from another spacetime manifold, which establishes a new local time t=0 at the singularity at which nucleation occurs.

Learn some actual astrophysics before spouting off with discredited arguments from Aquinas. Aquinas wrote before Einstein.

>>130760772
>Nietzsche is dead - God

I would be impressed if a god actually said that. But you just forged your god's name.

>>130763420
How? A scientist has to go on what he can observe and repeat - this is the very nature, the very core, of all science. How the fuck do you back up the bullshit you just said???

I can tell you that Isaac Newton didn't form the idea of classical mechanics and then go "gee, but how does this fit with THE BIBLE?!?!?!"

>>130760126
Back to old debates that never get anywhere.

>>130764004
How is mass starvation good?

>>130763872
Do you know what Communism is? It hasn't existed, we are undergoing warfare between the different socio-economic classes, socialism does fail because of how powerful money and religion are. We will eventually win globally.

>>130763307

I have no wealth whatsoever so I'm totally fine in giving it to a democratic communist government.

This said, it seems that the only way for capitalists countries to create a reasonable amount of wealth is enslave other nations and use military force to impose financial oppression on weaker nations.

>>130760126
Implying atheists have no irrational beliefs. Do you fedoratippers understand anything about humans?

The secular ideologies holding Europe in their grip are utterly irrational and there isn't even an attempt to provide a rational framework for them. In the meantime, there are philosophically sound arguments for the existence of God. Also the gay issue can be approached from the point of view of natural law. Pretending it's some kind of arbitrary thing not to bless faggotry is anti-intellectual.

Isn't it fascinating you're building your supposedly rational worldview around sexual orientation? Also, the stupidest part of this whole thing is that your argument is based on the claim that God hates gays, and that claim in itself is FALSE. So you didn't even get that right. You're a real thinker, aren't you.

>>130763322
>pretending he wouldn't look back at a gigantic pillar of fire destroying everything and everyone you ever knew
I guess only cool guys don't look at explosions

>>130763555
Now the discussion is going, like a raging fire!
Fuck year!

>>130763854
>impying Im religious
>there is no meaning to anything, ultimately, because I say so.

Fine, if you want to cite burden of proof, show me that there is no unmeaning to everything

>>130763708
How could you miss what came after the comma? I mean you quote mined bad.

>>130763872
>Noe you're strawmanning faggot because your flismy worldview got BTFO

You are mommy's special little boy.

>>130764157
>dude just give us all your shit
>it will work this time for sure!
>starves

>>130763964
LOL are you serious with that?

>>130763964
Your idiocy is pissing me off

>>130764133
You avoided my comment.

>>130764194
I wouldn't look back if I was told it was instant death

>>130760126
Why can't people just realize that both ways can't be proven. you can't prove God you can't prove there is no God, just move on with your life

>>130760840
>Atheism is not a belief
You have faith in nothing

You posit it exists. A belief

>>130764314
Fuck you commie you Marxists are just as bad as any religious zealot GTFO.

>>130764269
>special little boy

Says the atheist, LMAO

>>130764164
Religion is what made Europe what it is today, a continent that will inevitably collapse. That is what happens when too many religious people fight for their fairy tales.

>>130762124
>>130762197
Can you two give me your interpretation of quantum fluctuations please?

Atheism=radical empiricism.

>>130764383
THIS.

>>130764164
>Implying atheists have no irrational beliefs. Do you fedoratippers understand anything about humans?

You don't have to be thoughtful or even insightful to be an atheist. You just don't like the idea of God or religion. It's simply a rejection of an idea.

>>130763872
>Geometric design woven into the fabric of our universe, ie Golden Ratio proves Intelligent Design
>golden ratio proves intelligent design
That's like saying the fact that planets form a rough sphere is evidence of intelligent design. Fuck off, retard

>>130764421
this

only worse.

>>130764471
Wrong. Belief in nothing isnt empirical.

It's dogma. A religion

>>130763322
>What is another popular collection of thousands of years worth of historical events?
>historical
>Universe as we know it made with in a week
>falling tower makes people speak funny
>flooding the whole planet
>children being eaten by a bear for mocking bald man
>Jews yelling at walls make them fall down
Uh-huh.

>>130764359
Communism has never advanced anything, but it has murdered a lot of people. Every advancement known to man is because of Christianity

>>130764383
The bible is full of made up shit, no one over 5 should believe

>>130763986
Like I said, crackpots and cultists. Islam is a death cult.

But the vast majority of mainstream Christian religious people in the west simply don't have that level of religious fanaticism.

In most churches it's taught that mortals do not and cannot ever truly understand the secrets of the universe.

>>130764421
Someone seems irrationally angered at progress of humans. I know it's difficult for you to comprehend scientific development.

Mental illness = atypical behavior
Atypical behavior = found in <25% of population

Demographics:
83% of population belong to some religion

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>>130763924
t. Molyneux subscriber

and there's nothing wrong with that, but saying that certain precepts within Christianity were the entire reason for western science and physics to take off is kind of bullshit.

We all know, it was just white people.

>>130764560
>the wheel is because of Christianity
>pottery is because of Christianity
>Algebra is because of Christianity
>gunpowder is because of Christianity
>merit-based exams are because of Christianity
>books are because of Christianity

you are full of shit.

>>130764560
That fairy tale created all civilizations? Religious people, sigh.

>>130764570
It's all true. Historical and metaphysical fact

Atheistfags itt eternally btfo. Will you accept that unknowns do in fact exist in the universe while also claiming that none of those unknowns will be evidence of a creator? Because that implies faith that evidence of a creator will never be discovered and that atheism is just another dogmatic ideology. Think for yourselves you brain dead faggots.

>>130760126
>design amazing machine
>amazing machine keeps trying to put things up its butt
yea i'd be pissed too.

>>130763964
Nigger, I swear

Most atheists are just anti-abrahamic religions.
We need new, better religions

>>130764525
>dude Golden Ratio happened because of random bouncing particles
>there was no intelligence behind it

Hahahaha wait wait... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>130764560
No there where many advancements by many different ancient cultures long before Christianity.

>>130764021
Except there is no counter argument. Your complaint is that scientists claim the big bang came from nothing (this is not what scientists claim, btw)

My complaint about God is that he has no creator. How could something so vastly powerful and complex just pop into existence?

>>130764081
>I can tell you that Isaac Newton didn't form the idea of classical mechanics and then go "gee, but how does this fit with THE BIBLE?!?!?!"

>implying that all religious people do this

Nice strawman bro.

>>130764679
what is a metaphysical fact?

>>130764570
This is why we need to fight for legislation to remove religion from the public eye, and force schools to teach all religion as fictional works. Children should be allowed to choose their own destiny, not parents that ruin a child's brain.

>>130764204
All life, as we know it, exists to reproduce itself. If that involves consuming other life, or even consuming life similar to itself in a competition for resources, so be it.

Life - is about competition - which leads to survival - which has created us, the very best survivors the universe has ever seen.

>>130764849
Ghouls, no joke.

>>130764584
You cling to a failed ideology just like like any other religious fanatic. You are just as bad.

>>130764300
You now realize atheism is an edgelord religion and you worship the make believe idea of 'nothing' as your God.

>>130764688
>Will you accept that unknowns do in fact exist in the universe while also claiming that none of those unknowns will be evidence of a creator?

The classical God of the gaps is not an argument.

Imagine using that logic in a court of law. You are accused of something.
>There are no other suspects,
>so there is a gap in the evidence against you,
>but since the court already knows you,
>you get sentenced anyway.

>>130764525
the golden ratio is a fact of the nature of space, not in any way a proof of god.

>>130764551
>in a week
The Sun and Moon weren't created until several days in, no passage of time can be accurately estimated.

>flooding the whole planet
Recordings all over the Earth say this, and it has been proven Geologically.

>>130764688
Osiris, Hercules, Dionysos, Attis, Mithra, Horus, Zarathustra and others form the large part of the Jesus myth.

Why dont you believe in them as well?

>>130764849
Eternal life through Christ

>>130764367
God didn't say, "Don't look back or I'll fucking kill you instantly," he said, "Don't look back,"
God is a petty asshole.

>>130764648
>We all know, it was just white people.

Yes, and white people adopted and built upon Christianity for a reason; it provided the most effective framework for a successful civilization.

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>>130764570
That is your interpretation of it, but the Bible also conveys a shared belief system and has parables for teaching the fundamentals of that system. Especially in the New Testament there's a lot that can be gathered about living a happy and fulfilling life.

>Love one another
>Turn the other cheek
>Forgive your neighbor 7 x 7 times
>Share what you can with those who have nothing
>Live your life for others

If that's your moral ideology, then you can live an incredibly fulfilling life following those ideas. Is there anything wrong with looking to the Bible for inspiration?

>>130764864
The state dose not have the right to force people what to think.

>>130764929
if it exists it is by definition physical.

physics is not complete and doesn't explain all phenomena, hell we don't even know how gravity works.

metaphysics - the branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being, knowing, identity, time, and space.

Ghouls hey?

if /pol/ is the best and brightest humanity is really in deep shit

>>130760840
>being this retarded
Atheism is a belief. Why are atheists always so autistic

>>130765013
go to him please.

now.

>>130764656
Glad you agree f@m

>>130764678
>civilizations don't rely on religion
Lmao retard detected

>>130764785
Ok, religion/faith will always be the back bone of society and the driving force of technological advancement

>>130764795
>dude there was something before the nothing
>not that we can prove it, p-pls believe us ;_;
Pathetic

I don't know, why don't you use the same mental gymnastics that makes you think the universe decided to randomly pop up one day

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>>130764939
Um, no. Athiests don't have to "worship" anything.
The very concept of "worshipping" something is fucking fetish-tier. Go lick a woman's foot or get peed on. The very idea that the absolute core of all your beliefs is that you have to bow down and SUCK IT is so outright embarrassing I don't even know how to continue.
My life is my own, and I don't have to bow down to any cunt God and I never will.

Refute that, religifags. Go on, do it.
I will never bow to anything or anyone that I don't respect, and I DAMN SURE don't respect your god or anyone else's they've read in a fucking boog.

>>130764916
Surely therr is meaning behind said competition. That competition cant be entirely meaningless.
Evrn if you are athiest, that meaning is to expand conscious experience. Even plants can be conscious. So there has to be some reason we would want more conscious experience overall. Birth death rebirth, this happens to all conscious. You cant create energy out of nothing, it's all recycled. That includes conscious energy.

>>130764679
While people may doubt the validity of the bible it is clear that those in power who are involved in the occult not only believe but are actively engaged in a war against man on behalf of satan. (((They))) are doing everything in their power to keep the common man as far away from spiritual enlightenment and focused on material pleasures.

That is what worries me the most. (((They)))) wouldn't work this hard if it was all a lie. Jesus died for our sins, to save us from this material prison, and (((they))) hate him for that.

>>130765116
Or die when other people say fuck it and come after you. How can christans say hey we should all be peaceful one minute then turn around and fucking kill people that threaten them. I agree it would be a nice world if we all lived like that but like Communism it is just a fantasy.

>>130765016
>look back
>die

Gee, maybe she should have listened?

>>130765205
You contradict yourself
Time xists, but is still considered metaphysical

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>>130760126
>The belief that there was nothing and then suddenly god appeared from out of nowhere
lol
Atheists are such intellectual plebs.
God didn't appear "from nothing".
God CREATED "nothing", as "nothing" is a concept and therefore SOMETHING. God PRECEDED "nothing".

Try and wrap your heads around THAT brainlets.
>yfw I believe that God does not exist but still believe that God IS.

>>130764582
You're right, I was using an extreme example when I brought up suicide bombers. Still, to believe in God wholeheartedly and without doubt is arrogant. You cannot possibly KNOW for a fact that God exists, and yet you claim to know that there is life after death, among other equally unprovable nonsense.

>>130764458
Utter idiocy.

>>130764516
>It's simply a rejection of an idea.
Well, factually that is true, but that doesn't mean the vast majority of brainlet atheists don't believe they're intellectually superior to people who believe in God. That sense of superiority seems to be a part of the package of being an atheist no matter how ignorant.

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>>130763918
what you say is correct but it doesn't explain why religion is beneficial to humanity

>>130763924
I'm sorry just no. If you need a book written in the desert by sandniggers to make one want to achieve greatness, then you are a subhuman desert nigger monkey and you have no place on earth.

>>130763957
you must read a single book besides the bible and finish middle school to post here

>>130764007
exactly

>>130764021
you need to finish middle school to post here

>>130764279
he is right you know >>130764157 we have never achieved real communism, you are judging an ideology by it's bastard mutant offspring and not itself and what it can truly be, watch Jaques Fresco from Zeitgeist Addendum, he explains it perfectly.


>>130764164
homosexuality occurs in all species in nature. The fact that you have to backpedal on the gay issue in the bible proves our point that the bible is just a manual written by people who were ordered to control the population and some orders escaped the biblic narrative.

>>130764398
I don't have faith in nothing, I have no faith, period.

>>130765216
Atheism isn't a belief. It's lack thereof. Google what the word belief means.

>>130764742
but you designed it in that way

>>130765116
You can, of course, but it's also bringing in all the rapefugees.

>>130765116
Atheism has superior morals though, and its not taught as the word of God

>>130764864
Yes... good goy... tell the little children all about mar- I mean truth...

>>130760126
E D G Y
D
G
Y

>>130765444
>what you say is correct but it doesn't explain why religion is beneficial to humanity
You didn't ask why religion is beneficial to humanity, you asked if it ought to be considered a mental illness. That's the question I was replying to.

>>130765333
That there is some moral, philosophical or "spiritual" value in that book does not prove that it's not fiction or that god is real.

>>130765299
Atheist worship science which basically means trannies are science and the Global Warming Conspiracy is science too. Basically whatever Bill Nye tells you

>>130763580
>God
>"a wizard"
I laugh my ass off when brainlet fedoras mangle the definitions of words to try and fail to sound clever

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>>130765428
I'll be waiting vigorously for my (you)

>>130764762
Nice argument
>the golden ratio is proof of God because I say it is, don't ask me to back it up with proof or reasoning

>>130765444
You are retarded

Not believing in something is still a belief

>>130761139

Who told you that garbage? A so called "theologist"?

A = without. Theist = gods. Atheist - Without gods. Atheist literally means godless. It’s that simple.

>>130765444
>finish middle school
>defends communism

LMAO

>>130765310
I like your thoughts, but where the fuck are you going with the idea and reality of consciousness? Just because you want there to be a reason, even desperately, even to the point where you'll kill yourself if there isn't one, doesn't mean there HAS to be one...

That's called "the problem of consciousness."

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>>130760126

>>130765442
I did state you don't have to be thoughtful or insightful to be an atheist, yes.

>>130760126
>God appeared out of nowhere
Nope. I love it when atheists trot that one out, really shows how dumb they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKKIvmcO5LQ

>>130765408
I would argue that time is an abstract concept created by humans.

Change is physical, we invented time to measure rates of change in the same way we invented distance units to measure space.

>>130764954
Horrible analogy. Don't skirt the issue. Unknowns exist in the universe and always will. Therefore you can never rule out one of them being a creator.
>>130765010
>I have no argument so I'll accuse you of be living in Satan. Go back to the serpent den.

>>130765626
>words dont have connotatios

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>>130764999
>Recordings all over the Earth say this
By all over you mean within the fertile crescent, primarily in early civilizations that resided along the Tigris and Euphrates river valley. But, that is in fact, not the entire planet.

>and it has been proven Geologically
Kek, try me.

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>>130765333
But Satanists are mostly LARPing morons.

If you actually read about Lucifer in the Christian bible, the only thing he was ultimately guilty of was wanting to be like God and deceiving man to be the same way and pursue knowledge.

How the fuck do you judge something like that and deem it the ultimate evil to be shunned at every turn??? Kind of sick, you ask me, especially if it's one of your children.

>>130765579
>proof or reasoning

The proof and reasoning is the ratio itself. Or did the magic random bouncing dust particles just really like the GR, forming everything from Galaxies to Sea Shells?

>>130764939
I cant think of anything edgier than the Christian concept of hell
>fire and brimstone
>eternal torture
>full of murderers, heretics, rapists and sluts
>ruled by a fallen angel
Might as well have a Hot Topic near the entrance.

>>130764842

Just the more retarded among your kind.
The more intelligent among your kind shamefully hide away their descriptions of their christian based faith because 2000 year old desert folklore has no relevance in science.

>>130765116

Of course not. Jesus preached wonderful sermons, very advanced for his time period. When you just add the fact that he was a mythical sky fairy's kid, you lose any seriousness, and the fact that people defend this is just because they tend to be majorities in countries. If I started saying my dog is the direct son of god and the world started believing it, the factual people will say it's just a dog, though with historical accuracy would get executed/punished for being opposed.

>>130764939

Worshiping is ridiculous and pushing the idea of being a cuck worshiper of something you can't even define, see, understand, comprehend, communicate or imagine unto others is the basis for separating fantasies from the State. I do not worship a 2000 year old desert book that tells me that I will burn in an inferno if I do not worship, I define my own morals and life from everyplace I can find it.

>>130765442
That's sadly true. It's hard to be an actually intelligent atheist around those cunts.

>>130765657
Dude, I dont know, just smoke weed and vibe with the world

>>130764956
This

>>130765790
Wait, are you actually under the assumption that there wasn't a cataclysmic flood?

LMAO

>>130764999
>The Sun and Moon weren't created until several days in
I fail to see how that is relevent.
>no passage of time can be accurately estimated.
The book literally catalogs and numbers the creation in DAYS.

>>130763314
>God is wishful thinking, an ever-present eye in the sky that isn't there.
lol
So then what keeps physics running and makes sure it doesn't violate itself huh fag?

>i-it just does...
>for no reason, it just werks ok?!
LOL
WORSE than macfags!

>>130765552
Please nigger, I'm too tired to do this now. Global warming is a political lie and Tranny's have a mental illness, that is all.

>>130765444
I don't read the bible and have read more books than you.

go and look into the electric universe theory

it explains observations using basic electrodynamics, has made predictions that have been confirmed by observation and requires no unphysical nonsense like black holes and big bangs and no fudge factors like dark matter.

>>130760126
Can someone explain the big bang to me?

I know it is supposed to be the creation of the universe but what caused it? Do we know?

>>130765761
So you admit that even though you are 99% likely not the criminal in the court case, that 1% likelihood that you are the criminal makes you deserve a sentence. You just don't like the analogy because you don't see a problem with it.

>>130765613
this

atheists BTFO
atheism is a religion.

>>130766014
How can you tell the length of a day without a sun or a moon? For all we know, what God considers a day is millions of years.

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>>130763394
>Problem of Evil
there are a few ways to argue that

1) evil exist as a means to experience true good, that if we lived in a world where there was only good and no evil, than our concept of good would never change. Kinda like living in a constant state of opioid doping, where you are relative to a vegetable, you can only feel that of of a vegetable. Evil exist because it gives us higher faculties as humans, that it is better to suffer as human than be satisfied as a pig in mud, simply because humans are dominant over the pig.

2) God allows evil because it has to happen in accordance to an immaculate sequence. That evil happens just because it is literally apart of a plan, and we humans are not supposed to understand it, so we suffer. our suffering leads to some greater good at the end of the sequence, and to just be in state of good for every sequence is boring and provides no depth to a "story" in a way

3) God is neither good nor evil by our perception. all moral concepts off God are self made and it would require a greater understanding to know why things happen

>>130765264
>I don't know, why don't you use the same mental gymnastics that makes you think the universe decided to randomly pop up one day
I don't know why you can't see the fact that you believe the same thing, except your belief system involves some giant, invisible sky wizard creating everything from nothing (who created this sky wizard anyway?)

>>130763394
>Waaah our individual suffering out-weighs the entire universe!
fucking pleb

>>130766009
>are you actually under the assumption that there wasn't a cataclysmic flood?
No, however you're blowing the scale of the flood to grossly retarded proportions by saying it encompassed the whole planet.

>>130766025
Sorry, that's not what Bill Nye says.

>>130766073
It's satanic propaganda

>>130766073
god

it was invented by a catholic priest

(((jesuit))) nod nod wink wink

roflmao

>>130765299
Atheists worship whatever daddy government want them to. Humans are essentially creatures of worship, if you take away religion they'll find something else to obsess over. This includes Hollywood, television, video games, sports, media, etc.

>>130765817
Yes, Lucifer faces a very human problem. The problem is that he falls in love with knowledge for the sake of knowledge and places himself equal to god. His fall from grace is a warning to man. Keep things in their proper order, knowledge while wonderful is not a replacement for god. If your society, like Lucifer, replaces god with human knowledge it will collapse.

This is best exemplified by the west, thanks in part to jewish subversion, we have cast out god and will suffer because we feel our knowledge is sufficient and he is unnecessary

>>130766207
What would you rather believe, that nothing happens after you die, or there is life? That essentially the basis of Faith based religions. Would you really take the risk of eternal damnation?

>>130765392
Why did she have to die though? God sounds like a petty asshole. She could have been punished any other way? If some sky wizard turned my wife into a pillar of salt I would probably renounce his name

>>130766245
Seriously, Bill Nye?

Why would you listen to a man whos greatest achievement is hosting a kids show that explains very basic science to kids.

>>130766073
the big bang is the creation myth of the church of atheism.

it being a new church they are still getting their dogma sorted out, that's why the theory keeps changing.

>>130764026
>Therefore a universe cannot be created, except by nucleating from another spacetime manifold, which establishes a new local time t=0 at the singularity at which nucleation occurs.
>spacetime manifold
JAYSUS CHRIST get a load of Geordi FUCKING LaForge over here!

You can't prove God real but you can't prove God unreal. But it's better to believe in life after death than believe in nothing and you just die. I mean if it makes you comfortable to say you'll just die then that fine but Atheist who just try to make religious folk not believe in anything and make them depressed without knowing if God is real or not is just stupid. And sure some religions like muslims can make a person savage and immoral to others but take a good Christian who chooses to be good because of their believes should not be taken away.

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Religions are deep explorations into modes of being.
>>130765444
You fail to realize that in your system, everyone needs to buy in. If they don't, they die, or they put capitalist systems into being, often developing in a black market. And if you really are that much of an altruist, then the guy with the bullet will probably be you, then the system you put in place will be hijacked.
Its the same with Ancap. Everyone needs to be in on it, or its a moot point.
It requires compromise on both parties.
WHICH IS WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS FIGURED OUT TO BEGIN WITH.

Sort your shit out. Stop trying to collectivize shit. Be a good human being first, then change the world.

>>130766322
Theres alot more evidence of television, video games, sports, media, etc. than god

Why invest so much time and energy into something you have no evidence of its existence?

>>130760126

Are you guys purposefully trying to make atheists look like idiots?

>>130766421
You would renounce God who just turned your wife into salt?

>>130766431
Because SCIENCE!!

>>130765444
>homosexuality occurs in all species in nature. The fact that you have to backpedal on the gay issue in the bible proves our point that the bible is just a manual written by people who were ordered to control the population and some orders escaped the biblic narrative.
1. The occurrence of homosexuality does not mean it's good. Many kinds of things occur in nature that we don't see as good. Homosexuality is an aberration and fundamentally in conflict with the natural order and procreative purpose of sexuality. It is that also in context of evolution and its occurrence would only make sense as a collective survival strategy on the level of a population highly imbalanced between the sexes in the long term, but this would engender a lot of further speculation about how it "ought to" manifest. So calling it an aberration is the best way to describe it. In any case, the statement "God hates gays" is false.
2. "Backpedal" ... What? How? Many things are sinful, but that does not mean God hates humans who have sinned. Rather it is the sinner choosing to separate from God, not the other way around.
3. "Control the population" is the go-to argument of teenage atheists, never mind that it doesn't even make sense in the context of the Bible itself in many ways (like NT vs OT, secular power vs divine power etc.).
4. "some orders escaped the biblic narrative". Sorry, but I don't know what you're even talking about here.

>>130766421
Isn't it a bit prideful and presumptuous to demand the reasoning of a being that literally created our universe ex nihilo? You need to get used to the fact you're a being that blinks in and out of existence for an insignificant amount of time and God is an infinite being with a perspective you couldn't even begin to fathom. It's not your place to demand he justify himself before you, he is God, you trust him you don't demand he explain his actions.

>>130766602
like the higgs boson and dark matter and black holes and shit hey?

>>130763924
Was it religion or the genetics of the people?

>>130766073
It was the result of gravity, and basically reveals a repeating sequence of universes (much like dimensions.)

All matter in the universe is subject to gravity, so at some point, a gravitational mass occurred that was so strong (a singularity), it sucked in all of the mass in the universe. Just like in any black hole, once it reached a critical point, it exploded, and sent all of that mass back out into the void.

After this massive explosion cooled, subatomic particles began to reform, and under the forces of gravity and chemical/electrical reaction, shit began to happen again as it always has.

God, as you know him, could best be described as a singularity by modern science.

>>130766167
> For all we know, what God considers a day is millions of years.
>For all we know
For all we know, the word day literally means a day, because why bother using that very specific unit of measurement if it's value is going to suddenly change once the sun and moon are created? Why not use a different method of cataloging time prior to the creation of the sun and moon if a "day" was not meant to be understood as a 24 hours period? To say that a day in genesis is somehow meant to be interpreted as something else is a massive feat of mental gymnastics.

>>130765613
So stupid it's almost unbelievable.

The definition of belief is a set of principles. If you reject a set of principles handed to you, you do not believe it, hence it is not a belief.

>>130765839
>thinks a simple spiral is proof God exists
>has never studied orbital mechanics
I guess it would look like divine magic if you're a slackjawed idiot who doesn't know shit.

>>130766616
no need to try, they do it themselves.

the rational position is doubt and skepticism, the opposite of belief and faith, in this case that's called agnosticism

>>130766696
The word day was used before the Sun and the Moon were formed, our very basis of measurement for what a day is. A "day" in the life of a God is unfathomable.

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>>130765613
>>130766098

You literally said this. You literally just said it, then declared victory.

Not raping a bitch is rape, because when you don't rape, all that's left is rape.

Think about this shit for a long, long time please. This is the tactic of the religious people - that they get so fucking powerfully stupid, they literally scare off every last intelligent person that will argue with them.
SCARY.

>>130766602
People invest the same amount of time and energy into completely fictional stories like Harry Potter, Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings, to name a few. I don't know why either, but it's something us humans like to do.

>>130766410
>i just believe whatever makes me feel comfy inside
Or even worse
>i just follow the herd because I'm scared they might be right
Grow a pair, pussy

>>130766322
This just further reveals the mental illness you have that was horribly exaggerated and placated by religion.

>>130760126
It's all a convoluted rationalisation for being homosexual... Checks out.

>>130766695
and what about the electric force that is 10^35 times more powerful?

your big bang theory ignores it but needs dark matter.

nonsense, as bad as the religious nuts.

>>130766771
>simple spiral
>not the perfection of geometry

Keep thinking everything was formed from le big bang and everything after from random bouncing dust particles LMAO

>>130765438
Nobody 'knows'. That's why it's called 'faith' not 'knowledge'.

Faith is the operative, definitive term here.

>>130766643
Yeah if he's gonna be such a dick he can go fuck himself

>>130766398
If God doesn't want man to pursue knowledge, don't
>1, give him that mental capacity
>2, tell him it's horribly evil to do so
>3, take the worst evil being that has betrayed this commandment in the universe and let him in to your little garden where you've accidentally planted a tree that bears fruit that, if eaten, will impart this desire for knowledge into the capable mind of aforementioned man.

fucking retarded leftists holding humanity back

>>130766682
Science has also proven your an evolved monkey that shits and dies

>>130766749
>The definition of belief is a set of principles
i believe u r a cunt. now how is that a set of principles?
>>130760126
religion and god are two very different things.

>>130766963
>believe in Christ and save yourself
Or
>be edgy pimple faced fedora tier atheist and burn in hell

If you're so certain, then why are you scared?

>>130763322
>Gives people free will
>Punishes them for doing what they want

>All-loving and all-forgiving
>Sinners suffer and burn for eternity without any hope of redemption

Bonus points:
>Created easily domesticated very cost-effective animal
>Forbids to eat its flesh

>>130766098
>>130766905
It isn't a religion, but it is still a belief

>>130766656
Thank you. Christians need you to understand that you are a worthless bitch ass insect, bow down and suck it!!!

>>130765573
You don't deserve a (you) but here's one anyway.
Your argument rests upon causality, which is a property of the physics of this universe. There is no causality outside the universe, therefore no "creation".

It blows my mind that people have such a hard time grasping that what is true within the universe need not be true OUTSIDE the universe, and even if it is true outside the universe it operates via different principles entirely and is only superficially the same. No matter how you slice it a God that transcends the universe is not bound by it's physical properties.

>>130766656
If God is an infinite being beyond my comprehension, why would he give a shit if Lot's wife looked at Sodom or not?

>>130766905
I'm not religious

I dislike atheists and religious nutters.

I'm rational and as such doubt need to have certainty and answers for everything.

Some things are inherently unknowable.

Do you know what the halting problem is?
Godel's incompleteness theorem?

>>130767086
Shhhh he can hear you o.O

>>130767086
You're talking like an edgy teenager saying "Fuck you, Dad!". God knows whats best for you. Denying that is just being an angsty moron upset he can't go out and party without getting grounded. You answer to God for everything you do and can't escape that.

>>130766749
If you deny them, then you still hold a belief. You believe against them.

What is with atheist trying to claim they don't believe in anything?

>>130765817
>Kind of sick, you ask me
LOL, nobody asked you!
You think the creator of everything cares about your petty critiques?
Fucking laughable.

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>>130767206
>Beyond your comprehension
>"But why would he do x?"
Are you brain damaged?

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White christians should be considered mentally disabled.
European yet they follow a semetic middle eastern religion.

>>130767040
I will. Keep tithing the 10% of your income to known pedophiles.

>>130764935
It's hysterical how you compare a political ideology that hasn't been practiced (communism only exist when it's global) to fairy tales that have destroyed humanity for delusions.

>>130767206
>beyond my comprehension
>why would he give a shit
Please stop making a fool of yourself

>>130765878
>I cant think of anything edgier than the Christian concept of hell
Try one of the Hindu hells, you unimaginative faggot.

>>130760126
a is a a
thing is what it is
and religion is a self inflicted mental disorder.

>>130767173
>free will
Actually it's an illusion, everything is part of a Grander Design

>sinners
They could have repented and accepted Christ

>creates easily domesticated very cost effective fruits & vegetables
But if you'd rather cannibalize the same flesh and blood that makes you....

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>>130765492
if a condition isn't beneficial, should it be considered malevolent?

>>130765613
what's the atheist belief then, put it in words.

>>130765643
...?


>>130765687
science doesn't claim that nothing made everything, it simply can't explain it thoroughly yet.
just like er thought the sun revolved around earth, but was disproved later on.

>>130765738
see
>>130765573

>>130766051
>I don't read the bible
In that case we have nothing to talk about, good day.

>>130766073
The latest theory suggests that the multiverse is composed out of infinity universes - imagine a bubble bath with infinite bubbles. When two collide they birth a new bubble between them.

>>130766098
I like it how you unironically use the word "religion" as in a derogatory term. lol lol lol

>>130766264
show on this doll where were you molested by your parents who also removed your foreskin to please sky daddy.

>>130766586
>You fail to realize that in your system, everyone needs to buy in

I perfectly understand it, hence why the system has never been truly tested.
But we can't say it doesn't in work until we do test it.

>>130766616
cut off your foreskin


>>130766972
>>130766645
>The occurrence of homosexuality does not mean it's good
it's neither, but its a fact. If god created everything he must've created homosexuality as well.
Cancer exists, and it kills, but nothing about it in the bible, maybe because humans haven't yet understood what it was back 2k years in the desert? hmm

>>130767133
read about the dark ages and what created them

>>130767136
true

>>130767197
ah yes very interesting theory but unfortunately as it has no actual proof or even a hint of an evidence in any shape or form we'll have to disprove it and move along, talking about things which can be proven.

>>130767313
You're just getting more disturbing. If I recall correctly, I shot some niggers like you over in the desert. They believed very strongly, indeed!

>>130766077
First of all your court case analogy is backwards. The court would need evidence to ever convict someone and evidence is something that is known. You can't convict someone just by ruling out all other possibilities and even if you did you wouldn't be 100% sure to sentence the right person so it would be a mistrial.
Second, I said understanding the concept of unknowns is all that is required for a creator to exist. If you can understand the concept of 0 you can understand the concept of the creator and the afterlife.

>>130765125
So parents have the right to ruin a child's brain with fiction? Let children make up their own mind

>>130760126
This coming from a commie is not surprising, degenerate

>>130767206
Because he didn't want her to be turned to salt

>>130767076
I have met many theists who equate faith with knowledge. They tell me they know for a fact that Satan is real, and he has been feeding me lies in order to steal my soul. I think this behavior is arrogant, because they claim to know the existence of something without any proof. I think that even theists should take faith with a grain of salt.

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>>130760126
>Should religion be treated as mental disorder?

That image is wildly incorrect.

>Implying that God didn't exist at some point in time.

Read the Arian heresy, and the response of the Council of Nicea, Constantinople, etc.

God is eternal, apart from the "world."

>And hates gays.

Uh, yeah that's not in the Bible either.

So what is the basis for your claim that religion is a mental disorder?

>The fact that it demands obedience?
Any conscientious person will fulfill their responsibilities. Welcome to society.

>The fact that it demands faith?
So does any human relationship, so good luck with those.

>The fact that religious people experience guilt?
So do any people with healthy consciences. The truth is that we fuck up sometimes, and our emotions ought to point us toward those realities. If not, you're either too fucked up on drugs to notice, or an amoral degenerate who will end up in prison for life anyway.

>tl;dr: what's your fucking point, OP?

>>130760126
Sure, let's kill all the Muslims first.

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Atheists have won this thread - please get new arguments, religitards.

>>130767532
>see
>>130765573
But I just explained why it's different. We know the universe had a beginning and was created by something. We know God didn't have a beginning and is eternal. It's a false equivalence.

>>130767410
I'm agnostic. Faith does nkt require religion

>>130766887
>The word day was used before the Sun and the Moon were formed
I think you've missed the point. But since we're giving metaphorical leeway to "days", what's the metaphorical equivalent for "plants?" Because plants were created before the sun, so break it down for me, what's the alternate meaning behind "plants?"

>>130767532
You already agreed with me that the condition isn't explicitly negative, and can in cases be adaptive. It's my position that religiosity is inherent to the human species, and even if it's vestigial (which I certainly don't think it is, it's of too much obvious psychological significance to be vestigial) we don't just cut out an appendix for no reason either, until that organ becomes problematic.

>>130767166
I'm not scared at all. You're the one who claimed he would rather believe in eternal life because it makes you feel better. You are literally terrified of the totality of death, and it scares you, so you justify it in your mind with fairytale bullshit.

>>130767532
The atheist belief is that no gods/goddesses exist

>>130767532
Atheist magic: magical explosion + magic star dust = everything

Just like in my Star Wars :B

>>130767206
>Why would the laws of physics which applies to the INFINITE UNIVERSE give a shit if I jump off a cliff, don't they have bigger fish to fry like keeping planets in their orbits or shit?
BRAINLET

>>130767136
You define cunt and you get your set of principles of how you react to a cunt when the cunt gets near you. Since you're a faggot, I think you reject the cunt in favour of the big floppy greasy dick you want to put in your mouth.

>>130767311
You don't have to believe against something to reject it. You can just simply dislike an idea and not be sure why too. This is probably the essence of this whole debate.

>>130767562
You are describing how the court works and should work. I was indeed describing a backwards court and your argument is a backwards court of sentences based on poor evidence.

>>130767125
Do you have a learning disability? Knowledge and the application of knowledge is not the issue. It is when man places himself and his acquired knowledge above god, that is the problem.

>>130767696
If God is eternal, we also are eternal.

>>130767638
>admitting defeat

Heh, another internet argument won

>>130767868
That's not what the tree said, bitch. You're backpedaling.

>>130767792
The whole of genesis is allegorical and not meant to be a literal telling of the creation of the world. The purpose of Genesis is to explain the nature of God, why he created us, his expectations and why we are separated from him.

>>130767792
Could mean the primordial sludge

>>130767532
http://strangenotions.com/gods-philosophers/

Even Atheists concede that the myths about the "dark ages" were just that, myths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqzq01i2O3U

Also, here's a short video.

Seriously though, Leftism can only exist as a parasite on Rightist societies, this is why leftist beliefs only start propagating after a society reaches its peak of greatness, thereafter it starts to decline.

>>130767856
If you reject a belief then you believe not to be true. Not going to address the dislike an idea argument, because it is weaselly

>>130767247
>>130767334

Let god take over, get cancer, run over, shot, dismembered, raped.

>But, g-g-god is all loving

I reject your concept of god because it's beyond shit. Things aren't inherently good or bad. Things happen because there are causes and consequences. Things that happened 500.000.000 million years ago or 2 seconds ago cause the things you think the sky fairy has a plan for. There is no plan, is that too scary for a toddler-minded adult? Think that you wouldn't want to live in a world where nothing has inherent value, that all your work and legacy means nothing, that you living by a set of values and morals determines nothing in the face of other people's actions of just events you determine to be random or god's work because in your world questioning things is basically reason for a stoning?

>>130767868

Why? Because we kill each other with it? Because we kill our planet with contamination? Because we want to best ourselves genetically through tailoring? This argument is invalid, things that drive destruction through technology or other means is something inherently natural, human and of this plane of existence, as seen through historical recounts of humanity. What does it mean to place us above "god"?

>>130767970

Sooo, no?

>>130767835
I'm actually not scared but logically if you believe and there is an afterlife then good, if you don't believe and there is an afterlife then chances are you're fucked

What does atheism gain you exactly?

>>130767311
>What is with atheist trying to claim they don't believe in anything?
It is the interest of religous fanatics to claim that their beliefs are not beliefs at all but the default state of the universe.

Same principle as why Muslims claim Jesus and Mohammed were Muslims, and that their religion predates Christianity and Judaism.