Excessive sugar intake doesn't get you diabetes

Fuck off, vegan faggot.
It's neither and both.
It's total calories per unit time and esp those with a high GI that matter.
Refined sugar is poison to every cell of your body.

>>130704532
>fatty food
>the chicken
What kind of chicken would that be?

>>130704532

Are you fucking dumb?

There was a recent study on butter that dispelled all the nonsense that used to be constantly shouted about it. Then it was found out that margarine and fake-butter were the bad things.

Also, some fats are healthy, while others, being unsaturated fats are great.

Most oils, unless you're a fucking retard, are also monounsaturated fats. Ones made from nuts typically are the best for you.

Also, in smaller quantities, you're going to be just fine. It's a healthy balance of exercise, eating right, and sleep that help balance your body.

Do you even exercise, vegan faggot? I bet you don't or you'd be eating 2-3 black bean dishes a day since you don't get enough protein otherwise.

Derp I'm a fatass Jewmerican

Hodor

>>130704532
Bullshit you dumb faggot. Stop drinking 3L coke per day.

>>130704532
How does fat make your blood sugar spike?

>>130704532
Your body needs fat like omega 3 fat, monounsaturated fat, and polyunsaturated fat. It's trans fat that you should avoid like the plague.

Ugly fat ass Jews

don't overthink this stuff, you know what you should be eating and how your body responds to certain foods

if you crave bad food too often you have a dopamine fuck up, just like any other addiction. eat a healthy breakfast, walk to work, get some sun, get some exercise and your body will fix itself and subconsciously put you back on the right path

i hate the diet industry so god damn much

>>130705160
the american subgenus of the common housechicken: lardus americanus.

>>130704532
its not the fat you dunce, it is the refined carbs.
>>130705582
>Ones made from nuts typically are the best for you.
gonna have to go with ray peat on this one and say you are wrong.

Yes goyim stop eating meat and vegtables and replace them with a double big gulp coke™ and Snickers XXL™

>>130704532

Just do thirty minutes of cardio daily and an intense heavy lifting regimen four days a week. It won't matter what you eat. I eat whatever I want and I'm fucking ripped. In fact I'm about to go get Wendy's for the second time in three days, because it's delicious. Cucks

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>>130705582
>There was a recent study
>Doesn't link study.

>>130704532
>t. (((Ancel Keys)))

>>130704532
Sugar.
It's all the sugar.
Sugar is in fucking everything these days, including burgers from fast food locations. People eat burgers thinking its a balanced meal, but there is so much sugar in them they might as well eat cake for dinner. Thats not even taking into the count the liquid sugar drink they have with the meal.

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>>130705160
>What kind of chicken would that be?
Americans deep fry chicken or fry them in a batter etc. That is pretty fatty.

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>>130707081

I love you, /fit/.

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>>130704532

It's true.

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>>130704532
>what's your major anon?
>i'm pre diabetes

>>130705582
The problem is that Americans eat 3-4 times the recommended doe of butter, cheese and meat.

Butter by itself is fine, but salted butter put on deep fried chicken next to bacon etc. is killing people and making them diabetic.

>>130704532
high fat foods cause the beetus

OK Hans.

>>130707452

Why is it faggots like you never post the source of your argument points? What can you possibly be afraid of with people examining your claims?

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>>130704532
>It is the fatty food, it is the oil, the butter, the fatty meat.

>>130704532
>Excessive sugar intake doesn't get you diabetes

Come on Germany. It's the processed sugar in everything. Seriously added sugar is in literally everything Americans eat. The butter is sweetened. The meat is brined or marinated in a sugary mixture. Diabetes is spiking because there's no way to escape the massive amounts of sugar put into every type of food.

>>130704532
>chicken
>filed with oil and unhealthy fats

Are you retarded?

Biggest correlation to diabeetus is being overweight, not specifically what you eat.

People both on high carb and high fat are mostly alright as long as they maintain their weight.

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>>130706523
>How does fat make your blood sugar spike?
Diabetes is not caused by "blood sugar spikes" but a clocking up of cells by fat. Look it up. A non-fat person literally cannot get Diabetes II.

Ugly Bitch american scum

>>130707452

> americucks think chickens have 5 wings

>>130707852

no no, anon, Op will just direct you to some non-descript website that has the worst chicken in the world but he won't tell you where he found this information. Because that's all american's ever eat. The worst chicken wings on the planet..

>>130704532
The real issue is lectin proteins and the estrogen-like compounds in today's foods.

>>130705582

butter is the worst thing you can possibly eat fuck off asprey.

>>130706921
>its not the fat you dunce, it is the refined carbs.

Sorry, wrong. It is the fat, not the refined carbs. Look it up. That is not even a discussion, this is established fact - you won't find a single doctor who will tell you that refined carbs are the cause of diabetes II. The cause is pretty much virtually exclusively a wrong died in obese individuals. Obesity is pretty much a requirement for Diabetes II.

>>130704532
>Chicken
>Fatty meat
>Not even the fucking oil that niggers fry the chicken in
>But the fucking meat

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>>130704532
too much farts, im a white boy

>>130708219

he talking dietary fat not being fat

>yes goys stop eating those terrible toxic fats found in frankenfood like eggs and butter, guzzle our delicious natural corn syrup instead youll be fine

HOW TO SOLVE THE OBESITY CRISIS:
>don't be fucking fat
>don't be fucking lazy
Wow, so hard, so complicated.

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>>130704532

Someone has obviously never taken a biochem class before...

>>130704532
>fat is bad for you
t. Kike science

>>130708001
yet americans were more skinny back before fat phobia was a thing and everyone cooked with lard.

really makes you think.

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Sugar is just a convenient scapegoat for politicians looking for another new thing to tax, with "public health" being their bullshit 'in'.

People need to learn that consuming calories and sugar are just fine, as long as you're active and fucking move. It's only when you're sitting on your ass every waking hour that it becomes a problem.

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>>130707974
>Biggest correlation to diabeetus is being overweight, not specifically what you eat.
Exactly this.

Look at the risk factors in my pic related. It says nothing about a high carb diet. If you are active and not overweight, even if you consume a lot of carbs, everything is fine.

If you eat a shitton of fried meat and other processed shit, you will be much more likely to get diabetes, even if you are only moderately overweight.

>>130704532
Too much comfort means population explosion. How do you limit it? You make health care virtually impossible to afford for the poor, while at the same time feeding them literally trash. All corn errythang. I bet that entire half is the poorest of the country..

>>130704532
No, it's the opposite, it's sugar not fat, sugar fucks with your insulin production.

>>130708203

If you eat it by the stick in everything you touch your lips to.

God damn you're fucking retarded.

It's not going to kill you to have 1/8 of a stick to add flavor to your dishes.

What's going to kill you is having a stick per meal. Use your fucking brain autist.

>>130707139
> wah is gugle?
> how work compooter

Stop being so fucking useless, ass-faggot.

Here it is for you to use shitface:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=butter+isn%27t+bad+for+you+study+finds

Was that so hard?

>>130707549
India has a high diabetes rate and many there are vegetarians. I just read that somewhere but don't know much else about it.

>>130708001
Utter lies, fuck off with your fake news, it's well established that sugar causes insulin resistance & diabetes.

>>130704812
>Refined sugar is poison to every cell of your body.
IF you're going to inform people, don't make ridiculous exaggerations

>>130708738
>yet americans were more skinny back before fat phobia was a thing and everyone cooked with lard.

The amount of lard used to cook was tiny compared to the fat from corn and butter used today in processing food.

A burger in the 1950s was actually a lot smaller and less fatty than a burger today. Fries were not as salty. And all the portions were much smaller. Also, people ate a burger once a week, not 5 times a week.

>>130708896
>No, it's the opposite, it's sugar not fat, sugar fucks with your insulin production.

Where do people get this shit? No, sugar DOES NOT fuck up the insulin production. Find me a single source that says so. I challenge you.

>>130704532
>beefs

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Actually, it's all the artificial sugars and HFCS that does it. Look at all the people who have diabetes; most of them drink soda like water.

>>130708926

it's not going to kill you immediately dumb fuck, that doesn't mean it's good for you

>>130709248
fructose isn't an artificial sugar
quit blaming your lack of self control on others, fatty ding dong

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it really is the fat. while eating a lot of refined sugar isn't recommended EVEN THAT is better than high fat / animal products. it's a fact and no broscience in the world can change it.

>>130708001
>beta cells
They get cucked

>>130708871
Refined carbs go straight to storage. Do you want fat? Because that's how you get fat.

>>130709248
correlation=/=causation
fat people are simply more likely to drink diet stuff because its marketed towards them.

but those have been fat way before they started with coke zero and shit.

>>130704532
You do realise there is high fructose corn syrup in almost everything in the u.s

The government even subsides farmers to grow corn, some farmers cant even turn a profit unless they grow corn

Have you never heard about the corn conspiracy? What about the car dealership conspiracy?

The u.s.a is just so fucking corrupt

>>130709256

So can water, the essential thing to life.

Go suck a fat cock, you utter useless shit. All you do is deny other's opinions because you can't formulate your own. You feed off finding fallacy in others when you too have issues. I'll continue to cook with butter and live to a ripe old age because that's how my genes are. You're going to probably live a life of sedentary neglect and hatred because you can't get past the fact that you aren't smarter than everyone else.

Again, suck a fat one, faggot.

>>130707840
only way to avoid the sugar is to grow / kill your own

>>130709086
>Utter lies, fuck off with your fake news, it's well established that sugar causes insulin resistance & diabetes.
>>>
If it is so well established, I am sure you can find a scientific article which supports your assertion.

http://www.everydayhealth.com/type-2-diabetes/diet/can-eating-too-much-sugar-cause-diabetes/

The problem with sugar is not the sugar itself, it is the weight gain... i.e. the FAT that results from excessive sugar intake. If you are active and burn off the calorie intake, you can eat a shitton of sugar and have no increased diabetes risk.

>>130704532
Dat post's /pol/ related because....

>>130709612

hahahaha yeah right you'll be dead right away from metabolic syndrome, and i'll piss on your grave fatty

The garbage Americans eat literally makes me wanna puke, only Asian foot is more disgusting

>>130705582
Lard has actually been found to be healthier than butter since it is higher in monosaturated fats, the healthy kind of fat, and also contains no trans fats. It's much better than partial hydrogenated vegetable oils and butter but omega-3 vegetable oils are still the healthiest. Still though, oils and fats should be consumed in moderation

Work in a hospital in a first world country and you will see that 90% of your time is dealing with fat fucks and idiots who have caused their own problems. Public healthcare was a good idea 50yrs ago to help jack pay for his leg issues after the way and jane for her hip replacement but in 2017 its treating johns 3rd triple bypass because he cant stop eating.

If america goes single payer it will blow my mind the costs they will have to endure to keep it afloat

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>>130709216
No sugar DOES fuck up insulin production. Come on , this vegan bro science wouldn't hold up to med school 101

>>130705582
t. fat faggot

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>>130708926
> gets really fucking angry and serious about butter consumption
> flag

>>130709248
>Actually, it's all the artificial sugars and HFCS that does it. Look at all the people who have diabetes; most of them drink soda like water.

Wrong. It is the body fat. You will find virtually no Diabetes II patients who are not obese. Just doesn't exist, except in freak cases. And there are quite some people who live on a high carb diet, but do a lot of sport.

Actually, a high carb diet is the diet humanity has been on for thousands of year. The high fat, high protein diet only developed in the last 100 yrs... incidentally coinciding with obesity and diabetes II epidemics.

>>130704812

you literally cannot get diabetes if you consume 0 carbohydrate.

>>130709624
>scientific article
>Everyday health

Kek

>>130709373
so if i eat 1000 cal of pure fat per day ....
> shoo shoo idiot

>>130709777

Aw, look at you trying to stay above me. Whilst here I am playing sports on a weekly basis and eating healthy AND cooking with butter.

What is it that you do in your free time for exercise? Take tons of supplements and hit the gym hardcore? Good luck with your heart problems later in life if that's true.

Sugar and carbs give you diabetes, fats and proteins, milk, eggs, cheese, etc are healthy and make your kids tall. Why do you think the Dutch are so tall?

>>130709868
>>130709367
>>130709515
http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20121127/high-fructose-corn-syrup-diabetes#1
https://www.diabeteshealth.com/the-dangers-of-high-fructose-corn-syrup/

Why are Germans shit at biology

>>130709405
>Refined carbs go straight to storage.
Not really. Refined carbs, as any other carbohydrate (be it "refined" sugar, "natural" sugar, carbs in veggies or bread or noodles etc.) first goes into your blood. If you do sport that day, the sugar level in your blood gets used up.

That's that.

The problem is not the carbs or the "refined" carbs, it is the amount of your intake. If you sweeten your tea or coffee with 2 cubes of sugar, that is a different thing to drinking half a liter of coca cola with 25 cubes of sugar in it.

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>>130709787

>>130709868
>Wrong

Right.

>Humanity's diet was mostly carbs

Tell that to the inuit lmao you are so full of it

>tfw drink a gallon of apple juice a day
>haven't needed a doctor in over a decade
an apple a day keeps the doctor away, but a gallon a day will give you super powers.

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>>130704532 >>130705160 >>130705582 >>130706486 >>130706523 >>130706604 >>130706921 >>130707081 >>130707182 >>130707248 >>130707549 >>130707602 >>130707660 >>130707674 >>130707840 >>130707852 >>130708185 >>130708342 >>130708374 >>130708669 >>130708673 >>130708880 >>130708896 >>130709226 >>130709525 >>130709658
Now do it for Mexico. Spics and niggers are many times worse than whites and asians for obesity.

>>130704532
kill yourself

>>130709658
>Dat post's /pol/ related because....
... obesity and diabetes are soon costing more money than the military.

>>130709868
The high carb diet is why peasants have been 5 feet tall on average since the neolithic (early agriculture and). The only reason you are tall today is because of the meat and dairy in your diet as a child

>>130710098
He's probably a Turk roach

EVERY mexican i know is a fat fuck. one of them recently started to take health seriously and i couldn't be happier for him

>>130710334
Or... You came here from /ck/ or /fit/ to shitpost among muh meat eating right wingers . Rly makes u think

>>130709820
>No sugar DOES fuck up insulin production.
Source? If it is so obvious, you will be able to provide a source.

Last I checked, in my biochemistry class at uni, we learned insulin production happens in beta cells in the pancreas. Insulin production increases if blood sugar increases. That is a normal reaction. The beta cells are never "overworked" from too much blood sugar. The problem is if those cells are "clocked up" by fat.

>>130707248
This
Even the goddamn spicy """mustard""" from Panda Express is sweet as fuck. It's disgusting.

>>130710341
99% of the people were peasants.

Diabetes actually existed in the rich folks... there are all kinds of folk songs about rich folks dying and ailing of weird diseases that peasants did not have. Peasants had very littely protein and fat, so they were mostly affected by malnutrition.

>>130704532
Nope, it's definitely the sugar/carbs.

>>130710539
>Or... You came here from /ck/ or /fit/ to shitpost among muh meat eating right wingers . Rly makes u think
I eat my butter, milk, eggs and meat as any other person.

But I get mad when people just talk shit about the causes of diabetes. Diabetes just isn't caused by carbs. It is caused by high calorie intake, in particular high fat intake.

>>130709885
you're right, you can probably get a terminal case of death though.

>>130709094
>A burger in the 1950s was actually a lot smaller and less fatty than a burger today.

Now I know you're a clueless liar.

The McDonalds Burgers just 40 years ago were almost double the size of the current ones.

>>130710969
>Nope, it's definitely the sugar/carbs.
Only that it is established science that it isn't.

////
Conclusions
Although the increase in diabetes prevalence over time is
considerably less than that indicated by the commonly used
diagnosed diabetes, it remains a public health concern. The
principal forces leading to higher diabetes prevalence are excessive
weight and obesity and inheritance of diabetes through
parents, which given the short time span studied most likely
reflects a common environment or a gene environmental interaction.
These forces were only partially offset by imp

http://www.pnas.org/content/104/33/13225.full.pdf

>>130708868
Running a marathon uses about as many calories as a Big Mac meal with a large shake. You can't out exercise a shitty diet.

>>130704532
It's the sugar (high-fructose corn syrup).
The average adult American eats160 pounds of sugar in 1 year.

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>>130704532

yeah well 100% of krautslimes have aids aids and pre aids.

>>130708868
>scapegoat
It's actually not mentioned nearly as much as fat has been. Sugar is a huge problem.

>>130704532
>it's the natural foods that's doing it
>not the processed ones, goyim!

>>130711536
It's the calorie intake, not the sugar.

You could eat 0 sugar and still get diabetes II due to obesity.

>>130704532
I love pizza! Not burgers you fuck!

>>130711492
>Running a marathon uses about as many calories as a Big Mac meal with a large shake. You can't out exercise a shitty diet.

I do long distance hiking. 10hrs hiking in rough terrain can cause you to have a daily calorie use of 5,000 to 6,000 calories. 2 weeks of serious hiking will lose you 5-6 pounds unless you eat a shitton of food.

>prediabetes
What

>>130707623
>Butter by itself is fine, but salted butter

we fucking NEED salt you jew cunt

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/08/health/salt-health-effects.html

>>130712063
It's when your blood sugar levels are higher than normal, but not quite diabetes high.

>>130712234
Remember to archive
https://archive.is/dAXBT

>>130712234
but not 20 gramms a day, and thats easy to achive with a shitty diet

>>130707623
ah yes, the well documented link between salt and diabeetus

>>130711822
Do you live in the USA?
How do you know what Americans eat?

I see what they eat and it's nothing but refined grains, sugar.

>>130704532

TFW you work alongside some of the biggest names in healthcare because of muh diabeetus

>>130708738
Compare the macros of refined vegetal oils and lard

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jesus fucking christ hahaha what the fuck is wrong with american holy fuck half of the population already diabetic or at high risk hahahaha niggers just start moving your fatasses around how did that urban sprawl work out for ya hahaha le bike for poorpeople amirite

>>130712234
>>130712282
>:19
>:46
Seriously, is this a bot?
>Takes link
>Archives
>posts reply
>under 30 seconds

>>130713007
It's a macro that turn links into archives.

>>130704532
The key to long life is to eat a low fat diet, no meats and full of vegetables and healthy grains.

Meat and fats=diabetes and cancer.

>>130710923
Royals were only unhealthy if they were inbred, dumbass

>>130711822
You sugar shills are retarded

Diabetes 2 is a direct result of sugar flooding your body

>>130713165
gotcha, thanks Breivik

>>130704532
It's sugar you soda chugging nigger

>>130713219

*meats and fats in excess, as not part of a balanced diet

This entire thread gave me diabetes

>>130713219
>Meats and dairy
>Bad

Vegan retards like you are the ones that literally starve your infants to death

The real culprits have always been carbs and sugars

>>130712441
>ah yes, the well documented link between salt and diabeetus
It isn't the salted butter, the point is that the salt urges people to drink more, which is the reason fast food companies put the salt on and in everything. So if you drink a liter of soda to your deep fried chicken and deep fried fries, you will end up with quite a calorie intake.

>>130711981
Are you seriously advocating for hundreds of millions of people in the western world to take up long distance hiking, spending ten hours a day, each and every day, hiking just so they can eat shitty? Might as well say people should spend the entire day swimming laps in a cold pool.

People need more exercise, no question about that, but there is no reasonable amount of exercise that can be done everyday to offset shitty eating everyday.

>>130708531
This

>>130704532
>recent studies

Nigger why don't you try eating the food people have been eating for thousands of years, instead of whatever fucking faggot shit comes in the box at a grocery store. Learn to fucking cook. Snack on fruit and nuts and things with identifiable ingredients.

>>130704532
No, it's the refined sugars, most definitely the carbs causing diabetes type 2

>>130713219
>The key to long life is to eat a low fat diet, no meats and full of vegetables and healthy grains.
>Meat and fats=diabetes and cancer.

This man knows, although I would not go as far as "no meats".

The correct human diet is one of 3-4 times a piece of meat or fish a week, at least half of these times boiled, not fried. Veggies or other plant foods should always accompany the meat and be about twice the size of the meat.

Refined sugars aren't good either, but you can have a cup of soda with refined sugar 3 times a week, no prob.

Unfortunately, Americans eat many times the recommended weekly allowance... sometimes they exceed the weekly recommendation in a single day.

>>130713818
>which is the reason fast food companies put the salt on and in everything. So if you drink a liter of soda to your deep fried chicken
shit, this thread is making me thirsty

>>130704532
>It is the chicken, the eggs, the butter, the cheese, the patty beefs in burgers etc. that kills people. Not the carbs.

How fucking dumb can Germans get?

Was vegan for 15 years, sick all the time, felt like shit, never healthy, blood work came back crap.

Started eating meat like crazy and got rid of almost all carbs other than vegetables, feel great, lost fat, high energy now, blood work comes back BETTER than it did when I was a carb-munching veganfag.

You know zero about nutrition, and I think we need to start gassing Krauts if you're all this retarded.

>>130713410
>Diabetes 2 is a direct result of sugar flooding your body
IF you have a source, provide it. Because doctors say you are full of shit.

Diabetes 2 is principally caused by obesity.

>>130710667
"When people eat a food containing carbohydrates, the digestive system breaks down the digestible ones into sugar, which enters the blood. As blood sugar levels rise, the pancreas produces insulin, a hormone that prompts cells to absorb blood sugar for energy or storage."

Source: Harvard

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/carbohydrates-and-blood-sugar/

>>130714259

Don't try to educate the retarded, they're too fucking far gone to get simple facts.

>>130714237
See:
>>130714259

>>130713904
>Are you seriously advocating for hundreds of millions of people in the western world to take up long distance hiking, spending ten hours a day, each and every day, hiking just so they can eat shitty?

I am saying that you can reduce your weight through exercise even without a diet.

That is all I said.

And long distance hiking is very enjoyable and accessible to everyone.

>>130707248
>taking into the count

>>130714464
You're also claiming to be an authority on a subject I debunked with the first sentence on the first page of a half minute google search.

>sugar shill

Sugar IS the cause of this shit you shameless faggot. Humans are eating more sugar in the last 100 years on average than they have in the last 100 thousand years. We didn't evolve with this amount of sugar in our diets, we're not meant to consume that much.

>>130714081
>No, it's the refined sugars, most definitely the carbs causing diabetes type 2

Based on what? Where do you get this shit from? Definitely not scientists or doctors, because it is simply not true.

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>>130709248
>tfw I cut out the cabonated jew 3 years ago

>>130709868
>It is the body fat.

guess what gets transformed into body fat?
sugar does.

most fat is actually beneficial.

Tesco are selling mashed parsnip in microwavable meals now. 160 kkcals, tastes okay and finishing it makes me so full I almost feel sick.

It's my go to easy meal after working late. No more unhealthy fast food.

>>130714259

true but what he's saying is the cholesterol causes systemic inflammation which causes insulin resistance

>>130714622

t. Vegan Doctor Neal Barnard the Quack

You seem to be thinking that your retarded witch doctors who ignore science are correct, when you're just continually making yourself look fucking dumb by strawmanning over and over again

>>130714197
>Was vegan for 15 years, sick all the time, felt like shit, never healthy, blood work came back crap.

Yes, veganism is just as problematic as obesity. Who said anything suggesting otherwise?

Veganism can e.g. kill a baby within weeks.

>>130709373
lol
of course the blood sugar of people would spike higher if they haven't been taking in sugar at all and all of a sudden get a huge dose
answer me this: what does the insulin response, the insulin sensitivity look like in those who ate the fat-rich diets?
what causes type II diabetes but destruction of beta cells through high insulin response?
>infusing fat into people's bloodstreams
jfc this isn't how the human body works
what the hell is this shit?

>>130714622
See
>>130714615
Then
>>130714259

it's the combination of fat and sugar that does people in.
The best diet is one that is low in fat, and high in carbs, with fiber, and a little lean poultry and non fat dairy, and no sugary junk, and fruit is pretty bad too.
Fatty foods should be completely off limits.

>>130709897
you'll get pretty full and develop sensitivity to insulin and probably lose weight

>>130714259
How is this a source that carbs cause diabetes? You just quote how the body functions. Nobody is disputing that insulin is created to counteract blood sugar that is too high. That is the whole point of insulin. Our body produces it every day.

>>130710214
Why do people like you exist? Do you know how many times I get distracted by you multi quoting faggots? Like you have to point out every fucking post as if you're going to say something interesting and nope! Just another worthless fucking post on a board full of sociopathic shills and just absolute fucking cunts like you.

Sugar is the refined Jew, and it is killing all of us. My two uncles are cripples because they ate and drank so much fucking sugar

>>130704532
Half the adults in the U.S. are Mexican.

>>130704532
>Or per-diabetes
That just means being overweight and out of shape, not even turbo-fat or anything.

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I have prediabetes and it's because I don't exercise and I ate whatever and how much I wanted

>>130714931
>high carbs
>no sugary junk

Pick one

>>130714615
>You're also claiming to be an authority on a subject I debunked with the first sentence on the first page of a half minute google search.

When was that? I have yet to come across a source on this thread that says sugar is the cause of diabetes... while there are at least 3 links on this thread saying that the largest risk factor for diabtetes II is obesity.

>>130704812
Why would our bodies be adapted to really enjoy and respond to sugars then?

Chekmate vegans.

Everything is fine, in moderation and exercise. If you burn the calories off, almost anything you eat is fine unless you eat the same thing every day.

Type 2 diabetes is caused by your pancreas not meeting the demands of your body for insulin. This is caused by a tired pancreas (high sugar diet) and huge work load, body fat (needs more and more insulin to be adequate for all the fat) and again ongoing high sugar intake.

It can be reversed by losing fat and resting the pancreas.

t. clinical biochemist.

>>130704532
Diabetes makes your body lazy, so that can not only gives you less boners, but also fat.

https://www.accessrx.com/blog/erectile-dysfunction/whos-affected-most-by-age/
>Erectile dysfunction (ED) is far from rare. The Massachusetts Male Aging Study estimated that in the United States alone, around 50 million men
So that's basically all men in USA over the age of 30, since many won't admit it.

>>130714734
>guess what gets transformed into body fat?
>sugar does.

Sugar does, fat does, protein does. What is your point?

I said calorie intake of any type and form in excess of what is a normal diet causes obesity which causes diabetes.

But again, whether your calorie intake comes 90% from carbs is not a problem and does not cause diabetes II if your calorie intake is not high enough to lead to overweigh and obesity.

>>130707452
niggers*

>>130715232
The excess sugar in the blood destroys nerves and fine vasculature.

Goodbye erections

>>130715222
>This is caused by a tired pancreas (high sugar diet) and huge work load
Wrong. It is exocrine fat which causes the decreased insulin production in beta cells in the pancreas.

http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/3073901

It has nothing to do with cells "being tired" due to a "high sugar diet". This is also why you will pretty much never find a non-obese person with a high sugar/carb diet who has diabetes. And yes, there are tons of people who are not obese and still are on a high sugar/carb diet.

>>130716070
>there are tons of people who are not obese and still are on a high sugar/carb diet.
I-I'm quiting the soda...
going to start fixing my diet soon so I can bulk...

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>>130704532
66% of the population is overweight.
50% of these 66% are obese.
33% of US citizens is clinicaly ill. (no need to bring niggers up they only make 13% of your pop and are far from being all obese)

That and 56% white right?
Laughable.

>>130716070
Did you link the wrong article? What you linked doesn't put the blame solely on body fat. In fact it doesn't mention body fat at all you dumb subhuman.

>>130713615
>carbs in excess
ftfy
The sugar part is right but carbs are an essential part of a good diet. But f you just eat in moderation and walk around a little bit everyday you'll be fine.

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>>130716336
Technology and modern medicine, especially pills helped the modern American to survive and live.

>>130716747
>In fact it doesn't mention body fat at all you dumb subhuman.
So you can't even read the article and still make bold claims? Why?

>>130714144
>boiled meat
You Germans are fucking retarded. Who in their right mind boils meat

>>130717074
>haha I'll oink a random science article. Everyone is as lazy as I am. No one will even read the abstract.
You are a nigger and my inferior.

>Islet amyloid, increased A-cells, reduced B-cells and exocrine fibrosis: quantitative changes in the pancreas in type 2 diabetes.
The giveaway is in the title of the paper. It's not about adipose tissue.

No one should listen to this germ.

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>>130717084
>You Germans are fucking retarded. Who in their right mind boils meat

People have been boiling meat for tens of thousands of years.

Just because you want to deep fry everything doesn't mean boiling meat isn't still the most common form of meat preparation in this world.

>>130704532
Diabetes comes from having too much glucose. Which leads to insulin resistance. Glucose comes from sugar and carbs.

>>130717379
Ohhh, I get this thread now. Hans here just hates flavor.

>>130717447
Insulin insufficiency causes diabetes. There are a number of contributing factors. A ruined pancreas, lots of body fat, a metabolism that doesn't know exercise (muscles dont contribute properly to glucose metabolism) and an ongoing high sugar diet.

>>130717379
I like grilling and sauteing more
fried only for my tendies
I don't understand why so many white americans like eating slave food other than tendies

>>130704812
What neither vegan or low-carb fags will tell you is that the largest contributor to complications such as diabetes and heart disease is simply being a fat fuck. Eat in moderation, exercise and foodfags stop pushing an agenda.

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>>130717316
How many articles to you want?

http://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v15/n9/full/nrd.2016.75.html

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26650242
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/2/461S.full

Now provide an article backing up your assertion that "cells get tired" due to a "high sugar diet" and that is the cause of diabtetes II.

>>130717574
He is an imposter. He doesn't know what he is taking about.

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>>130704532
how the fuck do you know if you have diabetes? I'm a skeleton so am I still at risk?

1300 calories for five wings?!?

>>130704532
Youre wrong as hell hanz. Sugar and things like hfcs and soy lecithin are the cause for all kinds of metabolic disorders humans expierience. Everything from diabeties to cancer. Its in most processed foods even ones caliming to be good for you. Humans, especially male need to have a high intake of healthy fats and protein with minimal carbs, and the carbs you do get should be coming from vegetables containing fiber. Anyone telling you otherwise is a shill.

>>130717874
>What neither vegan or low-carb fags will tell you is that the largest contributor to complications such as diabetes and heart disease is simply being a fat fuck. Eat in moderation, exercise and foodfags stop pushing an agenda.

This is exactly correct.

And funny enough, until just a few years ago, this wasn't even controversial. It is just with the onset of modern PR (aka propaganda) from all kinds of interest groups that common sense, scientifically backed up positions are being challenged en masse by people.

I wonder who profits from this.

>>130717928
Nothing you have posted backs up your claim that type 2 diabetes is solely due to the quantity of body fat. It's caused by many factors, one of which is high body fat. Even one of your links backs me up since it is about amyloid deposits and changes to the ratio of A and B cells in the pancreas.

You are an imposter and do not know anything about the subject.

>>130718188
blood test or drink your urine and see if its sweet (not joking)

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copy/pasta
Carbs are the big problem, but also eating too much of anything causes problems.

"When we eat, carbohydrates, proteins, and fats are digested and broken into smaller parts. Once broken down, these parts will affect blood glucose differently depending on how they are absorbed and how the body uses them.

Almost all the carbohydrate eaten will be converted into glucose in the body. The only carbohydrates not changed to glucose are those that cannot be digested, like fiber.

Protein and fat are not directly converted to glucose when digested. The effect on blood glucose is not as direct as eating carbohydrate. Eating too much protein and fat can lead to eating too many calories. Too many calories can make the cell insensitive to insulin. If the cell is insensitive to insulin, blood glucose can rise. So the amount of food that’s eaten can affect blood glucose – too much can lead to weight gain, insulin resistance, and higher blood glucose levels. Carbohydrates affect blood glucose because carbohydrates are digested and broken into smaller parts that are primarily glucose units."

http://extension.illinois.edu/diabetes2/subsection.cfm?SubSectionID=2

>>130718188
You've to check glycated hemoglobin (HbA1c) and fasting blood sugar.

>>130718214
>Humans, especially male need to have a high intake of healthy fats and protein with minimal carbs

I am sure you can provide a source for this, because it will be interesting to see, given the fact this hasn't been how humans have eaten for the entirety of civilization... until just a few decades ago.

>>130704532

It's literally flooding your system with insulin from eating too many carbs until your body simply stops responding to insulin, you stupid kike fuck

I hope iran wipes your retarded country off of the map

>>130718600
I didn't realise I was talking to a vegan. You are utterly biased. Nothing you say can be trusted.

We must assume everything you say is corrupted by your bizarre ideology.

>>130718265
>2 diabetes is solely due to the quantity of body fat.
Point to the post where I claimed that. I never said anything like that. I said obesity is a risk factor, high sugar intake alone is not.

I am not sure this discussion gets us anywhere, if you continue to not read posts and just assert things without any sources.

>>130718859
I made post about diabetes being multifactorial and you denied that claiming it's all about body fat.

Now you back pedal. Begone VEGAN.

>>130718783
>I didn't realise I was talking to a vegan. You are utterly biased. Nothing you say can be trusted.

I am not a vegan at all. I am just pointing out that a "low carb diet" hasn't been something hiumans have had until quite recently.

Pretty much what people were eating in a week was one to two meat/fish days, and the rest of the days leftovers, soup, porridge, veggies, bread etc.

>>130718783
Civilization run on boiled starchy foods like grains and legumes, high amounts of meat eggs and dairy is a relatively new trend among non nomadic people. It's more about history than vegan fanaticism.

>>130704532
we're all infected with the e-coli bacterium used to make human insulin (Humulin). Our bodies see this and attack it and our pancreatic beta cells along with it. Scientists spliced human pancreatic beta cell genetic material into a benign strain of e-coli and have been breeding it to produce human insulin ever since. Since this strain doesn't make humans sick it wasn't noticed when it got out of the lab. Now nearly everybody is infected with it and it causes their own immune systems to destroy the host pancreas

>>130719199
Humans always ate whatever was abundant in their environment. Humans span the globe. There is no ideal diet. It is a calorie controlled diet though.

>>130718997
>I made post about diabetes being multifactorial and you denied that claiming it's all about body fat.

Excuse me? What?

I challenged your wrong assertion that: 'Type 2 diabetes is caused ... by a tired pancreas (high sugar diet) and huge work load' which is wrong.

If you want to back up this statement, go ahead and provide a source for it.

>>130719216
That's nonsense.

>>130718600
>yes goyim, dont eat meat and healthy fats, thats not what your ancestors did. You need to eat our chemical pumped twinkies and drink our hfcs infused sodas just like they did for thousands of years before you

Why is it so hard for someone to possibly understand that refined carbohydrates and refined fats are both unhealthy?

>>130719473
I didn't say anything like this. Are you retarded?

>>130719393
I stand by that statement. It's not very scientific but it's a statement meant for Americans. Everything you claimed and linked since focusing only on body fat is completely wrong.

It's a metabolic syndrome that is a result of many factors. If you deny this I can safely ignore you.

>>130719110
>shitty poorfag peasants ate nothing but toast sandwiches and crumb soup because it's all they could afford
>"see thats what were supposed to eat!"
I like how you ignore the millions of years of evolutionary history we had eating little to no carbs in the era before agriculture

>>130719486
>Why is it so hard for someone to possibly understand that refined carbohydrates and refined fats are both unhealthy?

Both are unhealthy in excess, but refined carbohydrates are causing all kinds of diseases... but NOT diabetes II. That is the point, the most prominent risk factor for diabtetes II is obesity, not a high refined sugar diet. Of course, in most instances, obese people are on a high sugar diet, but correlation isn't causation.

>>130719659
>Everything you claimed and linked since focusing only on body fat is completely wrong.

Ok then, no need to discuss anything then. You are saying an article in Nature cited hundreds of times in other articles is wrong... without providing any proof for that.

Fine, have it your way.

>>130719860
Fat doesnt make you fat you dumb nigger, carbs do. Theres a reason the atkins diet was popular, its not healthy to be on long term but it does work for weight loss, look up ketogenesis you mong.

>>130719721
>I like how you ignore the millions of years of evolutionary history we had eating little to no carbs in the era before agriculture

Can you point to any time in human history when we weren't on a dominantly plant diet?

You know that we weren't sharks when we lived in huts in Africa, right? We were "hunters and gatheres" with the gathering part quite a lot more important than the hunting part.

And even during times of highly successful hunting seasons with a predominant meat based diets did humans NOT eat something akin to a "low carb diet" as promulgated in today's American society.

>>130720296
>Fat doesnt make you fat you dumb nigger, carbs do. Theres a reason the atkins diet was popular, its not healthy to be on long term but it does work for weight loss, look up ketogenesis you mong.

That is not the point.

ONCE MORE:

This statement is correct:
A. Obesity is a major risk factor for diabetes II

This statement is wrong:
B. High carb diets without any obesity present are a major risk factor for diabetes II

Sources for A. have been quoted above
Sources for statement B. are not available and nobody can provide them... because the statement is wrong.

>>130720314
>And even during times of highly successful hunting seasons with a predominant meat based diets did humans NOT eat something akin to a "low carb diet" as promulgated in today's American society.


That's not a bug, that's a feature.
Diets heavy in animal products means that beef companies buy lots of soy and corn from growers.

>>130720672
You said in the op that chicken contributes more to diabetes then carbs do which isnt true. If carbs contribute to obesity and obesity contributes to diabetes then how can you not see the connection. You are telling people to eat more carbs and stop eating things like chicken and eggs which is directly countering what youre trying to prevent. Sure not everyone who eats high carbs becomes obese but you are far more likely too.

>>130711108
wrong

ketogenic diet is perfect, can't get the diabeetus

>>130704532
Don't forget number one cause: https://www.rt.com/usa/359127-sugar-industry-faked-research/
>The sugar industry paid Harvard researchers in the 1960s to bury research linking sugar intake to heart disease and to instead make fat the culprit, according to a study of archival documents.
>“These internal documents show that the Sugar Research Foundation initiated coronary heart disease research in 1965 to protect market share and that its first project, a literature review, was published in the New English Journal of Medicine without disclosure of the sugar industry’s funding or role,” stated the study.
>The internal sugar industry documents were found in public archives by a researcher at the University of California, San Francisco.
>UCSF researchers analyzed more than 340 documents indicating the relationship between the sugar industry and Roger Adams, then a professor of organic chemistry who served on the scientific advisory boards for the sugar industry, and Mark Hegsted, one of the Harvard researchers who produced the literature review.
>The documents showed the sugar industry was aware of evidence in the 1960s that linked sugar consumption to high blood cholesterol and triglyceride levels and was thought to be risk factors for coronary heart disease.
>The sugar industry commissioned Project 226, a literature review written by researchers at the Harvard University School of Public Nutrition Department, which concluded there was “no doubt” that the only dietary intervention required to prevent coronary heart disease was to reduce dietary cholesterol and substitute polyunsaturated fat for saturated fat in the American diet.

Fuck them, they'll help the rest of us figure it out. Paleo diet proponents claim 10000 years is not enough time for the digestive system to adapt, I don't know about that but we certainly can't adapt to all these chemicals that didn't exist 100 years ago.

Kek

It's amazing how quickly people want to tear down vegans. I'm well aware that there are innumerable vegans who want to force it down your throat, but meat-eaters seem to be obsessed with undermining what is essentially a personal health decision, if you keep it to yourself and don't proselytize. Happened to me all the time at my last job--people would find out I'm vegan and start questioning me.

Whats also funny is the assumption that all vegans are malnourished. If the majority of your diet is meat and lacks the daily requisite of fruit and vegetables, you're way more malnourished than someone who doesn't do a plant-based diet correctly.

Fatness is a SYMPTOM not a CAUSE you stupid niggers.

>eat carb heavy meals
>breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, dinner, snack as the american diabetes association recommends, every meal having carbs
>because every meal has carbs you are constantly spiking insulin as insulin blocks access to fat so you use up glucose in the blood
>eventually your fat cells get full
>takes more and more insulin to fill them
>can't burn all this sugar but can't keep it in the blood
>start shoving it in muscles for muscles to burn
>muscles can only store so much
>insulin resistance as more and more insulin is needed to successfully lower blood sugar to normal levels
>person is now fat and diabetic
>can't access fat stores because insulin's purpose is to stop from burning fat until glucose in blood is low
>but this low never happens, thanks ADA
>pancreas trying to pump out enough insulin to handle the constantly high glucose in blood, eventually stops working
>full fledged type 2 diabetes, symptoms now mimic type 1 because no insulin can be produced (or insufficient)

Here's a link explaining this process:
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/insulin-resistance-protects-insulin-t2d-26/

Dr Fung treats patients with diabetes and obesity by basically forcing insulin low enough for long periods of time.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/a-new-paradigm-of-insulin-resistance

Another of the mechanisms of insulin resistance

Take these things into consideration:

1) There is such as a thing as essential fats (fatty acids) wherein our health suffers if we do not get them, and our body cannot produce it
2) There is such a thing as essential proteins, wherein our health suffers if we do not eat them and our body cannot produce them
3) There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate. The glucose our brain and red blood cells need can be made WITHIN the body via gluconeogenisis. The brain can also be fueled partially by breakdown of fat into ketones (from 120g of sugar needed to 20g made by liver).

>>130725270
>if you keep it to yourself and don't proselytize
so..something none of them do?

>>130725619
>gluconeogenisis

That's turning protein into glucose for those who don't know.
It literally kills people if you're into a low carb low fat protein only diet, it's called rabbit starvation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning

>>130704532
Fuck off, there's nothing wrong with chicken, olive oil or eggs in moderation. Even small amounts of sugar are okay. What mostly fucks Americans is sedentary behavior, massive quantities of sugar (usually via soda), way too much processed food full of chemicals, calories and fat and lacking nutrition, and overall just massive amounts of food, period. People in America eat too much food. And they don't exercise.

>>130704532
Capitalism, where you don't starve to death, but die from over eating. What now Commies?

>>130725619
Further note:
1) Fat consumption has DECREASED due to recommendations by the government and ancel (((keys))) disproven diet heart hypothesis
Increase in carbs and decrease in red meat
At the same time these changes occurred: diabetes, heart disease, glucose fueled (mitochondrial non-functioning) cancer, alzheimers (now considered type 3 diabetes by some), epilepsy on the rise
2) A very low carbohydrate diet was originally "created" (recommended) for epileptics, and later diabetics
3) Used to be common knowledge to avoid pastas and breads if you were overweight (banting)
4) Indigenous tribes almost never have cancer, diabetes, elevated cholesterol, etc however if you put them on a modern diet they develop these "western" diseases.
5) The masai and the inuits.
6) Blue zones
7) Lead pushers of "healthy whole grains" and "8 servings of grains a day" were jews or wheat and sugar industry shills
8) The "sugar" papers showing sugar industry used same tactics as tobacco industry to hide causes of heart disease

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19099589

Controlling carb intake appears to reverse type 2 diabetes

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/extras/low%20carb/Restricting%20carbs%20as%20first%20approach%20to%20treating%20T2%20Diabetes%20Feinman%20et%20al.pdf

t. used to be prediabetic and thanks to cutting out added sugars and wheat no longer am

Over all do your own research (FROM this decade) and draw your own conclusions.
Most people don't need a very low carbohydrate diet, rather a moderate one or one with no added sugars would suffice, but the situation is so bad for diabetics the extreme (and lifelong) intervention is beneficial and sometimes necessary to keep them off medication.

>>130705582
Indeed. I follow a bunch of vegans on Instagram, out of curiosity. A few eat quite well, lots of nuts and healthy proteins, clever use of spices and seasonings, lots of good veggies, enough raw food to get extra nutrition, etc. But many of them simply eat wayyyy too much sugar. They're always eating/making "nice cream" day after day, too much sweet fruit and not enough serious veggies apart from greens (because throwing salad on a plate is easy and making more sophisticated veggie dishes is haaard and takes eeeffort.) And they don't eat enough protein, period. They will literally have a vegan donut for breakfast--one full of chocolate of course. WTF. That shit's not healthy overall.

>>130708738
Americans used to eat far less, and walk/move far more. Blue collar work was more common than white collar. People didn't drive as much, or at all. They didn't go to gyms necessarily but they moved, got out and walked, every fucking day. And they ate way less in terms of quantity, in terms of sugar content, and in terms of meat as well, because before modern refrigeration meat was more expensive (b/c harder to transport safely long distances) and had to be bought and eaten the same day. That meant you were eating local, and fresh, as well--two more important factors. Less chemicals, less processing, healthier overall in every way when they did eat it, which again was less often.

Two interesting things which actually show all this I know about because I'm an antique dealer. Antique shoes were not only better and hand made, often custom to a person's foot. They also had arch support, always, and strong support structure meaning even heels could be walked in all day--as long as they fit properly, the wearer's feet were happy. Even without modern "gel" technology and all that! And secondly, antique dinner plates are SMALL. Like modern bread plates, practically. People used to eat smaller amounts of food, and healthier food as well. Many people from the Victorian era through WWII had their own veggie gardens and ate their own food daily. (During WWII they called them "victory gardens" because they helped people deal w/wartime food shortages.)

Put it all together and you have a much, much thinner and healthier populace.

>>130725270
This is why with the exception of rare treats, the only bread I eat is low-carb sprouted wheat bread. There's a company in CA called Alvarado Street which makes superb products. Tasty and good for you. (I also like breads made w/alternative grains and eat them when I can, but what's important is keeping the carbs both low and healthy.)

>>130726626
Excess protein is converted to glucose, yes, protein poisoning happens when you don't have enough fat. Hence why it's called protein poisoning, or ammonia build up in the blood.
So don't eat too much protein. Low carb, moderate protein, enough healthy fat for energy.

If you have fat for energy, you don't get protein poisoning. It's why atkins doesn't work long term - too much protein.

Also the liver can make glucose from numerous things - amino acids, fat, glycogen, and waste from breaking down other foods.

Here is how it works: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4050641/

Protip: There is a "set" point for where your blood sugar should be at. Insulin goes up if it goes too high, and glucose production in the liver goes up if it goes too low.
Your liver is making glucose to feed your brain every single night when you're sleeping.
That's not protein poisoning. That's survival.

It is also how you don't go into a coma and die if you fast for a week. You live off of body fat, but also glucose your liver makes for you from autophagy (broken proteins scavenged and used for sugar production).

Recommended amount of protein for the average person is 1-1.5g per kg of lean body mass. Above that and you start to run into nitrogen imbalance.

Not that epileptics put on a very low carb, high fat, moderate protein diet don't get protein poisoning either.
Because they are able to produce ketones, which are made from fat. Hence the name. Ketogenic diet.

>>130705582
>There was a recent study

Now go back to it, find the section that says "this research was funded by" and post what is says.

>>130714931
>and fruit is pretty bad too.
???

>>130728973
Note, not "not".

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/

A study determining that the way of eating I'm describing is determined to be safe long term.

http://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1002577
More info on homeostatic role of the liver and insulin in blood glucose.

When you go long periods of time without eating (a marathon, endurance hunting, sleeping, fasting) insulin goes down allowing fat to be released from storage and into the blood for use as energy. Glycogen (what "water weight" actually is - stored sugar) is released to be converted to glucose in the liver to regulate blood glucose.
However, once those stores are used up, new glucose has to be created - this can be done from some parts of fatty acids, as well as amino acids (old proteins are broken down and recycled, demonstrated when people who fast long term do not lose lean muscle mass but still have amino acids in the blood for glucose and repair - autophagy).

This is not a dangerous process, in fact it's a completely normal one that we use to our advantage in times of scarcity, especially winter.

It IN ITSELF is not dangerous and in fact we would die within a day or two of not eating once glycogen stores are used up without it.

Protein poisoning comes from excess protein being broken down by necessity by the liver, because protein cannot be stored "as is". It has to be converted to glycogen for storage. Protein poisoning ONLY BECOMES AN ISSUE at levels exceeding 3.5g per kg of lbm as shown by studies on nitrogen and ammonia production.
Protein poisoning is caused by the kidneys not being able to filter out the ammonia in the blood to urea fast enough.
It is EXCESS PROTEIN causing the issue - not glucose production in itself.

>>130720296
>Fat doesnt make you fat you dumb nigger, carbs do.

No you fat retard, it's the exact opposite.
To be stored as fat carbs have to go through de novo lipogenesis which is highly inefficient and barely present in humans. Fats are stored pretty much directly.
Atkins died fat of a heart attack btw.

>>130712234
No shit we need some salt. No one is saying we don't, what we do not need 10 grams a day like people can easily get because they eat out every meal.

>>130704812
oh look its a faggot anglo denier barging in with his nonsense

>>130732017
The atkins diet is about how to eat eggs and bacon and feel good about it.

Sugar without fiber is a liver toxin and pancreas destroyer. Liquid sugar drinks are the main cause hands down for diabetes

>>130708001
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=utXcI3FqzeM

>>130709525
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat

>>130734396
I read this while drinking a Pepsi

>>130733772
>>130737542
Wrong person. Meant that for
>>130734396

>>130737692
Wait I'm retarded

Im saying this as someone who did tons of personal research and experimentation to find out what the best diet for humans is, found it and helped out his whole family to become lean and healthy without even trying and without counting calories - you guys are focusing too much on the big picture stuff (carbs/fats/sugar) and not enough on the details.

When it comes to food, the devil is in the details, and most of you don't have the IQ needed to solve the puzzle.

I'll give you guys a hint though, if anyone knew what the fuck they were talking about, then why are most people today sick and ugly and low energy? Rethink what you know. Because you don't know shit.

I refuse to assist you though. Good luck.

/pol/ jesus christ. We have ate fat for goddamn centuries. High fat and protein, low carb is the best way to go. Just do the opposite the kikes say:"oy vey eat this zero fat this and zero fat that.

>>130711103
>in particular high fat intake.
wrong, in particular high sugar intake.

>>130723358
except for the part where you smell and feel like shit

>>130704532
>fat is worse than sugar
You're a moron.

it's a I wasn't smart enough for medical school so I'll just play doctor on an alt right image board episode

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If you haven't taken the /Ray Peat/ pill you fucked up

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>>130715040
Diabetes is insulin resistance. How do you think mussels become insulin resistant?

They become resistant because of the excessive amount of sugar in your blood. The mussels become saturated, not requiring any more energy, yet your body has to reduce the quantity of sugar in your bloodstream thus it pumps out more insulin to force your mussels to take in more.

A diet high in fat does not cause spikes in blood sugar levels. Your body will actually convert the stored fats in your body into glucose as needed, thus your blood sugar stays at a maintained level. It also prevents you from needing much insulin.

That said, a diet high in carbs and fat is certainly much worse then a diet high in just carbs. Also diabetics often use a low carb diet which can prevent their symptoms and help reverse the disease.

>>130728491
>and in terms of meat as well, because before modern refrigeration meat was more expensive (b/c harder to transport safely long distances) and had to be bought and eaten the same day.
http://www.nationalchickencouncil.org/about-the-industry/statistics/per-capita-consumption-of-poultry-and-livestock-1965-to-estimated-2012-in-pounds/
Actually US eat more red meat back then, "modern refrigeration meat was more expensive". Red meat consumption peaked in 1967-1977. Rise of the total meat consumption is because of the poultry, and overall it is not so big.

>>130739813
"western diet"
Those are Indians in the picture...

>>130739813
Ray peat is part of the answer but he gets a lot wrong especially with regards to starches and his recommendations on dairy are harmful even though dairy is important.

>>130741961
elaborate

>>130704812
>It's total calories per unit time and esp those with a high GI that matter.
Its literally not though.

Most pre-diabetic folks don't ever develop full-on diabetes. This statistic has been steady for decades, next.

>>130742079
Well with regards to starches:
He says to avoid them all due to endotoxins but this only applies to wheat, which is a poor food nowadays.
Ray peat completely misses all the new advancements that have taken place in the field of the gut biome, where studies have shown that foods with something called resistant starch (found in potatoes and rice that have been cooked and cooled) are actually beneficial for your gut flora/endotoxin load, for your blood sugar levels, for your metabolism and body heat levels, etc. He completely missed all of that stuff. Dead wrong on it.

As for dairy, liquid dairy is the hardest to digest, and the most troublesome for the body (hormones, etc) but he recommends milk instead of something more biologically correct like cheese, which is all the ancient greeks and romans ate. They view milk as barbaric, and for good reason.
Next thing is he completely misses the A1 vs A2 dairy debate, completely skipped over it. I know personally of people who were completely fucked up on Ray Peat diets until they switched to A2 dairy and then they completely healed.

That all said, his views on Saturated vs PUFA, and carb intake are all perfect. He puts the paleo/low-carb/atkins/keto crowd into the dirt as the mouthbreathing faggots that they are.

>>130742681
>He says to avoid them all

Only in the context of somebody with gut problems like bacteria overgrowth, he thinks fruit sugar would be more ideal

He recommends well cooked potatoes and rice with butter, he also recommends cheese too as long as it's not mass produced industrial cheese made with GMO vegetable enzymes

The thing about ray peat is there's no strict rules besides avoiding PUFA and estrogen, everything has to be in proper context

>>130704532
No. It's the ultra refined sugars. It's on onslaught on dopamine reception and insulin sensitivity.

>>130744176
Yes, perceive, think, act.

I'm not sure if his recommendations changed recently, or if I just got bad ones from one of his fans, but back in 2012 when I found his stuff, it was all about Milk and OJ. People were going crazy going all liquid it was really strange shit, I had to put a stop to it.

The stuff you just outlined sounds great though, that's basically how I eat with a few adjustments here and there based on all the experience I've gained with dietary stuff.

Another thing he gets wrong, or did back when I was reading his stuff, is him calling red meat a 'refined food'. Nose to tail eating is important for the gelatin yes, but red meat is important in its own right. I know people who took that to heart and only ate liver and oysters and stopped eating real meat and they suffered for it.

>>130704812
*faggot tone of voice*
firsth posth besth posth gurl!

>>130704532
>the fatty meat
What is the occurrence of diabetes in Inuit society?
Their diet is mostly fats.

>>130744089
Slightly misleading, since height has also increased significantly since then as well. Not to say that we're all fit, obviously, but there's a percentage of that that can be attributed to better nutrition.

>>130707081
Pretty much this.

>>130707081
Ohhhhhh, (You) fucking stud! I bet you're hung too! hmmmmmmm.
FUCK OFF NORMIE CHAD!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>130704532
What about alcohol? I drink a lot of that.

>>130745993
Alcohol turns frogs gay

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>>130704812
found the ketofag
enjoy your coronary artery disease

>>130708001
fat ON YOUR BODY ALREADY releases fatty acids into your blood, not FAT YOU'RE CONSUMING.
Your body will create adipose tissue from excess calories regardless of what food those calories are coming from (fats or carbs).

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>>130745466
Couldn't be more wrong. Height has lowered.

>>130746594
Shit, am I a frog now?

>>130708997
Indians consume a metric shit ton of milk products and literally every other dish they serve is doused in oil and/or has a cream base

>>130704532
High fat diet cures type 2 diabetes
A diabetic diet is by definition high fat.

It's kinda of a combination of the factors. To simply solely point out fat would be a disservice to the excess amount of salt and sugar in a lot of food.

tl;dr too much fat, sugar, and salt in our food

>>130704532
>patty beefs

I'm going to use that from now on whenever I order a fatburger.

Vielen Dank

>>130747543
A high fat diet will give you cancer (most high fat diets include dead animal carcasses and aren't vegetarian).

The absolute best diet for diabetics is a low fat plant based diet, as proven by the study where type two diabetics had their symptoms practically reversed when put on a diet of fruit juice and rice.

High fat diets will also destroy your arteries.

>>130747249
they also drink a lot of sugary tea

>>130747893
Refined sugar is a problem, yes, but only in combination with a diet high in fat (anything over 20%)

>>130719216
WHAT?

>>130704532
>pre-diabetes
Anyone notice how this didn't exist until about six months ago when the Ad Council started running TV ads for the disease?

It's just another scheme by big pharma to get otherwise healthy people drawn into the medical scam. When they can't find enough sick people to make their revenue goals, they find healthy people and tell them that they will be sick some day and need to start taking pills and visiting doctors.

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>>130747893
Only in the south. Sweetened tee is fucking disgusting

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Okay, so from what I can gather ITT, no one really knows what causes diabetes?

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>>130745993

I've drunk steady all day/night for the past several years. Actually been seeking detox to lift the fog to assess the personality damage. I have ~17BM would actually prob look pretty good if I worked out and didn't eat shit diet.

>>130747229
we all are anon.
we all are.

>>130747880
it's not the lack of fat or meat that cured those patients. I am familiar with that doctor and what he did.

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Why isn't the butter lobby bigger? They seemed to be raked over the coals by the sugar lobby since the 70's.

>>130748199
Diabetes is caused when fat gummies up your cells, preventing sugar from entering them, thus spilling into your bloodstream. If you remove either the fat or the sugar, symptoms will improve.

However, low carb diets almost always necessitate ingesting foods that cause cancer and coronary artery disease. Low fat plant based diets (what we are designed to eat) improve your health in every possible way, especially your heart heath.

>>130748131
There's a commercial on the radio with a really smug narrator that just pisses the shit out of me.
>"Active people can't get diabetes. Oops, I read that wrong. Should've worn my glasses..."

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>mfw White Europeans have been eating nothing but meat, cheese, and butter for thousands of years with no diabetus.
>mfw soda gives everyone diabetus in less than 100 years.

>>130748904
I find it funny that every time someone brings up soda, the HFCS lobbyists and shills just come out of the woodwork.

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>>130747880
>fruit juice and rice
>literally sugar and carbs
This kill the crab.jpg

You have no idea what you're talking about.
High fat means
>eggs
>fish
>plants
>low sugar fruit (not fucking juice)
>lean pork
None of these fuck up your arteries, none of them. You can eat them all in nearly extreme excess and as long as you drank water and moved daily it would take years and years before any damage could accumulate.
The process is called Gluconeogenesis.
The literal conversion of fat into glucose.
The body will only convert fat to sugar as needed and only as needed. It will never convert fat to glucose just for fun.
Meaning no excess sugar, meaning what little sugar you obtained from vegetables and fruits via carbs and glucose is used for maintaining blood sugar levels.
While fat is burned only for energy.

Fuck dude this is like two seconds of researching diabetic treatments.
Also my mother has type 2 diabetes.

>a high fat diet will give you cancer
Wow some great citations there, tell me again how people who eat polyunsaturated fat have the highest cancer rates?
Oh that's right, they don't.

>>130748904
You are absolutely retarded. Europeans have NEVER eaten anywhere near the amounts of meat, cheese, and butter as modern ones do.

Those items were a luxury, where even the most well off sans royalty were only able to eat it once a week at most. The vast majority of European history, the common man thrived on a starch based diet, full of grains and potatoes.

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>>130749340
>eggs
>fish
>pork
>doesn't fuck up arteries

kill yourself you ignorant nigger. oh wait, the food you eat is doing that already.

The level of uneducated sperging in this thread is frightening.

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>>130704532
100% lies. Fuck off, retard.

>>130704532

Dumb fucking idiot.

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>>130749828

>>130704532
Nah, it's the sugar intake. I'm fine with this though, because it only raises my market value in terms of finding a qt. Fuck off and die fatties.

>>130749393
Functionally, your body works the same as it did 45,000 years ago.
Hunting for meat and fat which could be preserved for most of the year, providing calories and basic building blocks but few vitamins, enzymes and micronutrients.
Gathering plant matter which could be preserved for some of the year. Providing vitamins etc but not available or oreservable in large enough quantities to meet caloric requirements,

Mammoth hunters didn't grow potatoes or corn.

>>130709868
>mfw Only acquaintance in HS with diabetes was stick skinny
>mfw First college roommate was a 6'5" lanky sonnufabich with Type 2.

Maybe Americans have it different Franz.

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>>130704532
Who cares? Half of the people in canada will get cancer.

>>130709612
btfo

>>130704532
Its true. Health science has advanced a lot over the past few years. Here are many sources linking animal products to diabetes.

All the people crying that it is untrue have not cited any sources. I will.

>Association between dietary meat consumption and incident type 2 diabetes: the EPIC-InterAct study.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22983636

>Meat consumption, diabetes, and its complications.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23354681

>Glycotoxins: a missing link in the "relationship of dietary fat and meat intake in relation to risk of type 2 diabetes in men".
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/25/10/1898

>Leucine signaling in the pathogenesis of type 2 diabetes and obesity.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22442749

>Inflammatory mediators are induced by dietary glycotoxins, a major risk factor for diabetic angiopathy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12429856