>AnCap is neoliberalism on steroids Discuss.

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>neoliberalism on steroids
I hope you meant to say classical liberalism on steroids.

>using neoliberalism unironically
what a fucking retard

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>>130700418
>neoliberalism on steroids

>>130700629
Capitalists are scum

>>130701285
Shut up retard

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>>130700418

>tfw really used to believe in the voluntary society
>tfw I will never be so naive again

Truly a burden bros

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>>130701718
kys faggot

>>130701850
You know your flag is technically illegal right? Pirates are criminals so your flag is just you basically saying you are a criminal.

>>130701943

Make something happen USA puppet

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>>130701718
better be Human scum than a fucking commie hive insect

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>>130701943
fite me cunt

>>130702393
Ancaps aren't human

Any kind of liberalism is harmful and bad.

>>130702794
ancaps are the only Humans

>>130703033
They are mentally ill

The problem with anarcho capitalism is that it only benefits the ultra-rich.
You know, those who make the wagoons of shitskin invade europe. And the explosions and the happenings.
And who finance the antifa.

Get it faggot ? Please present yourself to crematorium nr 2 for your next instructions now.
Thanks.

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>>130703033
Wrong
Ancaps are as low and primitive as animals.

>>130703330
nope
the ancap mindset is perfect, given the imperfect Human condition

same as the commie mindset is perfect for hive insects

>>130703368
the antithesis of ancapism being socialism (ie communism with a state), no wonder you fucking french can't stand the former

now kindly get your hands cut off, you worthless leech

>>130703982


Go masturbate kiddo

>>130703982
Explain who would enforce the law and who would prevent the rich from physically stealing everything.

>>130704165

What method do the rich currently use to steal?

By chance would it be the government? Its monopoly on violence?

>>130704165
your own fucking self, with your own fucking guns
who knows? you might even start your security firm and get rich yourself

but that would sure require you to stop being a fucking commie thief or a lazy self entitled leech

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>>130703982
>get your hands cut off
He acknowledges having the subhuman mentality of niggers and mudslimes.
Going to put a tire around someone's neck and light them on fire next, subhuman?
I never realized before how accurate pic related describes ancaps.
After all, modern civilization was created by involuntary association. By authoritarian government having a monopoly on violence and using it to forcefully organize society.

>>130704496
You definitely have no clue about the real world, basement dweller.

>>130704635
What do you mean?
Cletus and his cousin-wives waving their shotguns around would surely be able to defend themselves against a real military force with an actual command structure.

>>130704416
They don't today

>>130704496
>getting rich
Typical capitalist entitled leech. Not everyone can run their own home defense system. Besides if another corporations is stronger they can overpower you.

>video related is ANCAP paradise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk3-2FnLd2c

>>130703982
As one actual french anarchist said
>Property is theft!
You can stop the anarchistic larping. You just want to remove all restrictions and taxes on bussines. Enjoy getting black lungs digging coal for the jewish clans.

>>130704861

No doubt about this, lol

>>130704961

Wasnt that your whole argument? The rich steal so who stops them?

Also, corporations are government entities, they do not exist without a government Noam.

>>130705140

>property is theft!

Misquote. Government appointed property is theft.

>>130705140
leftist anarchists are not anarchists
they're at best niggering savages

>>130704861
>implying even mudslime goatfuckers don't btfo merry craps each and erry day

>>130705246
Corporations are legal entities, but stop being pedantic to avoid his point; Money (resources) = power

>>130705343
>Government appointed property is theft.
Yeah we aren't talking about Leninism.
>leftist anarchists are not anarchists
No you aren't anarchists and I say that as someone who is completely balanced in dislike for all anarchists.

>>130705727
>completely balanced in dislike for all anarchists
lol no
you're a fucking socialist monkey, and thus quite fucking close to those animals

>>130705246
Well today you have the government to stop them.

>Also, corporations are government entities, they do not exist without a government Noam.
Well in an ANCAP ville what is to stop a group from forming together and raiding my house. or doing a driveby shooting.

>>130705409
>he thinks America went to the Middle East to actually wage a war, not to just sow chaos and ferment terrorism
Does it get more bluepilled than this?

>>130705885
Capitalists are basically animals.

>>130700418
Are Ancaps the same as the chinless black-block/antifa?
The only thing they're liberating is Is some pent up anger from some bored 30 somethings, using them as punching bags while the police watch and laugh at this point.

>>130705975
the welfare cuck you call military still get btfo

>>130705992
yep, but the most evolved ones: Humans
while non-capitalists are hive insects, at best

>>130706050
I didn't think Ancaps actually existed IRL

>>130705898

What stops that from happening now? Dont say the police, they are reactive at best and have a 20% solve rate.

>>130705717

There is nothing pedantic about it. Government entities do not exist without a government. A legal entity is something entirely different.

>>130700418
>>AnCap is neoliberalism on steroids

I think anarchism nullifies the philosophy of capitalism, don't you?

>>130706230
Corporations aren't government entities, unless you're trying to make a point about money in politics.
They're legal entities. It's a business/association that's treated by the law as if it's a person.

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>>130700418

London is AnCap in perfection.

Saudis, Poos, Jews all welcome. As long as they have money, they're free to buy and sell anyone and anything.

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>>130706442

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>>130705885
Again showing that you can't even make a difference between marxian socialism and for example Prussian. Also why is everything economics to you people? Is there no higher goal in life than getting more money?

>>130706361
>I think
yeah, well, no
start to lrn2jusnaturalism

>>130706196
>newfag's first redpills
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93industrial_complex
It doesn't work if there aren't losses of equipment and demand for higher production.

>>130706558

Improving ones lot in life and in turn, the lot of those you care about most drives everything.

>>130700418
Well, they're one in the same.

>>130706558
socialism is socialism, is socialism
is shit only fit for hive insects, however you put it

>>130706744
How come there has never been any society in history that's organized on the basis of voluntary association, and has achieved something noteworthy?
>he admits to being inferior to hive insects

>>130706648
>i-i-it's the jew
>links jewishpedia as an authority
keep telling you that, merry tard

>>130706230
Indeed.
Without a government that's called a militia.

And those who can pay fuck the others balls deep.

Welcome to ancap fantasy

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>>130706464
The god of Judaism is the Shekel not whatever is written in the Torah. Of course ancaps want to remove all regulations on the jew york cabal.

>>130706941
>said nothing about jews
Make an argument whenever you like, subhuman.

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>>130700418
>neoliberalism

>>130706920
>thinks prosperity comes form the state ruled society
>not realizing ancapism is the way how people most generally interact

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>>130707132
>any kind of liberalism since 1789

>>130706544
>he was making a point about money in politics
Okay. How does money have such an influence on government?

>>130706361
Since central banks won't exist to print money, it will be more of a barter system of goods and services.

>>130706196
you aren't human

>>130707132
You make me puke with your ugly ideologies.

>>130707150
How do you even plan on creating your anclap utopia? If there is no state to protect the citizens you will be destroyed. What about infrastructure? What about the nuclear arsenal? I'm talking purely material not even starting on the moral implications of anarchy.

>>130707150
People "generally interacting" isn't what creates prosperity, or achieves significant feats, or advances our race, you primitive chimp.

>>130707010

That is not what happens in South Africa. There is even a company that protects and responds to crime within an area even if you do not pay.

>>130707305

Government has a monopoly on violence. How does money not have an impact? And how is the best way to combat it not reducing its power?

>>130701285
t. neoliberal

>>130707419
>calls others on not being human
>slosh in his socialist niggering shit

>>130707481
no need to create anything
states will crumble on their own
through things like space conquest and robots

>>130707528
>People "generally interacting" isn't what creates prosperity
>i-i-i-it's the state that creates prosperity
>through destroying wealth
>which is how you measure prosperity
you double nigger

>>130707628
>said the bastard child of liberalism

>>130707619
I'm not saying it doesn't have an impact, I'm asking WHY does it? What is it about money in particular that lends it such influence?

>how is the best way to combat it not reducing its power
When a kingdom takes over an enemy's castle, is it easier for them to control the territory around it by fortifying and operating out of the castle, or by dismantling it?

>>130700418

No, it's actually the mirror of communism.

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>>130707938

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>>130700418
Wouldn't it be better to not bother anymore?
30 years-ago I could see you holding this position, however in the time It would take to become a thing, automation will be doing _All_ manual labor and allot of repeat labor like law practice displacing allot of lawyers.
In the end, it will probably go from capitalism to a sort of socialism or a hybrid.
I DO NOT sport socialism at this moment in time, don't reed it as that; but when machinery does everything, It's kind of the only thing left.
I'ts approaching so fast that I don't think anarco capitalism will ever get a chance in first world countries.

>>130707938
>through destroying wealth
Not an argument, brainlet.
>prosperity is measured through material wealth
Only in your unevolved, primitive little mind.

>-isms

shigdig

>>130702794
I don't think it's nice to call the mentally disabled not humans

>>130708010

It would be different if all the government did was protect the people and the boarders. But that is not what it does today. It has fingers in every industry, in every life and in nearly every action anyone takes. The solution is not to limit who can interact with it. There will always be shit people. No one is made of finer clay than any other. Limiting its ability to influence others is what prevents it from happening.

>>130708348
You think all governments are malicious by default, that's why we're having trouble here.
>Limiting its ability to influence others is what prevents it from happening.
When Hitler was elected and ended the Weimar Republic, did he not limit the Republic's ability to influence Germany?

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Why does Germany still exist?

>>130708793
Because even the most corrupt and degenerated states are still functionally superior to any anarchist societies could ever be.

AnCap can only be successful in a homogeneous, moral society with near-universal respect for the social contract and near-universal weapons ownership...

Because Free Men walk armed, if they so choose...

Early America, shortly after our Revolution, was probably about as close as anyone has ever gotten... and it must have been glorious...

>>130700418
>neoliberalism
pls define

>>130708700

It is not that they are malicious by default. A sword is not, a gun is not, a ship is not. It is who uses it. And no man is made of finer clay than others. An immortal philosophical godking would be a great system. Unfortunately we are short an immortal philosophical godking

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>be 15 year-old corporate feudalist looking to make your internet meme ideology yet more edgy
>add Stalinist gun to flag

?????

>>130701943
>Pirates are criminals
says (((who)))?

>>130709102
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

>>130709181
>No man is made of finer clay than others.

Sounds an awful lot like Egalitarianism... which is the handmaiden of collectivist tyranny...

Some men ARE better than others... but all should be equal before the law...

Which is not the same as "All men are the same"...

>>130709181
I don't follow the no man made of finer clay thing. There are clearly good and bad people, right? And there's leaders and followers.
If you could instill in an entire population of people the principle of non-aggression and all the other things necessary for the ideal Ancap society to exist, why wouldn't you be able to instill similar principles to teach the society to be able to search out and rally behind good leaders?

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>>130708793
>tfw no free city Arcology where you may physically remove communist
feels bad man

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>>130709314
>Neoliberalism (neo-liberalism)[1] refers primarily to the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism.[2]:7 These include extensive economic liberalization policies such as privatization, fiscal austerity, deregulation, free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society.[10] These market-based ideas and the policies they inspired constitute a paradigm shift away from the post-war Keynesian consensus which lasted from 1945 to 1980.[11][12]

>Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of self-ownership, private property, and free markets. Anarcho-capitalists hold that, in the absence of statute (law by centralized decrees and legislation), society tends to contractually self-regulate and civilize through the discipline of the free market (in what its proponents describe as a "voluntary society").[3][4]

wikipedia is so boorish. I was hoping the retard would expound upon their totally pointless bullshit in this general direction so it could go all memeball gag thread, damn it.

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>>130709736
juj picked the wrong image too

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>>130709496
>>130709566

Comes from bastiat.

>>130709237
Nigger it's literally a part of the definition. Pirates commit theft.

>>130707990
anon...

>>130709876

Egalitarianism is the forced equality of results... which means it is the handmaiden of collectivist tyranny...

Comes from Judge Bork.

And people forget that Marx and Engels learned their collectivism from the French, 50 years after their revolution...

The Enlightenment ended with two revolutions - the American one which ended in Self Determination... and the French one, which ended with the execution of Lunatics like Robespierre in a fit of Self Preservation...

You remember Robespierre... he was the Lunatic that thought up "All Property Is Theft"... where have you heard that before?

Having Lunatics in charge is a Bad Idea... .the only real way to get rid of them is to kill them. Which the French wisely did.

>>130709876
Ah, then
>If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad
We don't claim that.
Just the natural tendencies of the vast majority of mankind.
The portion that is good are the ones that should be tasked with leading the rest. That's the essence of government.

And for why it's not safe to permit the bad ones to be free, idk what his context is for that, but ours is that it's unsafe for the stability and progress of the society.

>>130709566
>good
>leaders
No such thing. Leaders lie and manipulate, and take more than their share.

>>130710581
>Comes from Judge Bork.
Obviously a great, well-accepted thinker, and not even a little bit of a political hack.
Why aren't you necking yourself?

>>130710837
>The portion that is good are the ones that should be tasked with leading the rest. That's the essence of government.
Burkean conservative, eh? I bet you think power doesn't corrupt, too? Too bad.

>>130711096
Morals aren't objective, anon.

>Burkean conservative
Never heard of it.
And power only corrupts the weak willed and weak minded. Stop choosing those types to lead you.

>>130711096

"more.. than... their... share..."

This dances along the edge of "telling someone else what they need".... and "fair share"....

The second you allow someone else to tell you what you "need", guess what?

I loathe professional politicians... they are sociopaths.

The job of government is not to lead or even tell the truth. The job of government - and "leaders" by default - is to instill confidence by any means necessary... including lying.

>>130700418
Support your argument.

>>130711562
>Morals aren't objective, anon.
I can agree with that much.
>Burkean conservative
Read more, faggot.
>And power only corrupts the weak willed and weak minded. Stop choosing those types to lead you.
You say this while the West is led by a pedophile ring and organized crime? No true scotsman, I suppose.
>>130711721
>This dances along the edge of "telling someone else what they need".... and "fair share"....
>The job of government is not to lead or even tell the truth. The job of government - and "leaders" by default - is to instill confidence by any means necessary... including lying.
Government is redundant. Fire the fucking thing.

>>130711721
Adding, the only legitimate role of a government is to serve its people, all of them. Any that doesn't is illegitimate.

>>130712249

>Government is redundant. Fire the fucking thing.

Yeah, okay... keep voting at it, anon... see how that works out for ya...

I could get into Lysander Spooner, but we have not crossed that Rubicon yet...

>"legitimate role of government"

Not talking about what the .gov should be... talking about what it presently IS.

>>130712032
More useful to say what reasoning your morals are based on, then. Why leaders lying and manipulating makes them bad.
My morals are utilitarian, and those things are necessary in effective leadership. As long as they're being done for the benefit of his population, the leader's not bad because of it.

>Read more, faggot.
I looked it up. If what's outlined here is accurate
http://www.chivalrynow.net/articles2/burke.htm
then it ain't for me.

>You say this while the West is led by a pedophile ring and organized crime?
That's not no true scotsman. They can be corrupt and our leaders at the same time. Like I said earlier, it's the people's responsibility to rally their support behind the good leaders.
We haven't done that. Capitalism and liberty's corrupted us almost as much as them.

Ancap will never be a utopia. It never claims to be one. It's a simple idea. Self governance, private property and free markets. But with the degenerates currently in society, it won't happen. The majority of the society must be peaceful and be able to govern themselves. Do you not steal bc it's illegal? Or immortal? Do you not murder bc it's illegal or immoral? Sane people know the correct answer. An ancap society is a long way off. But being a complete statist like natsoc isn't going to get us there any faster. Why do natsocs think the browning is going to stop? There are already too many.

>>130715607
>But being a complete statist like natsoc isn't going to get us there any faster
Well yeah, NatSoc doesn't believe in self governance, capitalistic "private property" or free markets.
We think these things are what fills society with degenerates in the first place.

>Why do natsocs think the browning is going to stop?
Our countries are the ones feeding them, supporting their populations, causing their numbers to rise.
>There are already too many.
Take your blackpills elsewhere.

>>130712548
>Not talking about what the .gov should be... talking about what it presently IS.
Yes. Illegitimate. Simply shooting all the people who think so doesn't actually change the nature of that government.
>>130713339
>those things are necessary in effective leadership
Alright. Leadership as a permanent role is a fraud against societies.
>As long as they're being done for the benefit of his population, the leader's not bad because of it.
Who decides? More to the point, who decides who decides?
>They can be corrupt and our leaders at the same time
Are you such a fatherless child that you can't function without being led? Or do you simply say thees things in order to preen and posture in the hopes that the muh elect will notice your inherent righteousness and give you a promotion into their ranks?
>rally their support behind the good leaders.
There are none. There are people in the leadership class who talk a good game, then do whatever they would have otherwise. You're presuming that it is our job to know people's essence here, people with whom we've never meaningfully interacted here.
Burke ain't my thing either fwtw.

>>130716367
>muh pills muh pills
Drugs are degenerate and you should be executed.

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>>130718085
>Leadership as a permanent role is a fraud against societies.
Sure. They should only lead for as long as their authority is what's in society's best interest. If a more capable leader comes, and society would be better off if they took charge, the first should step down.

>Who decides?
The people
>who decides who decides?
Whoever's applying this ideology to the society.

>that you can't function without being led
It's not about being unable to function, you dunce. You're content with existing on the same level as animals. We're not. Greatness isn't achievable through voluntary association. History proves this.

>There are none.
Your morals aren't objective, remember? And idk who you're specifically talking about with "leadership class". Career politicians? Obviously they're in it for themselves.

>people with whome we've never meaningfully interacted
The good leader will have meaningfully interacted with his people. And if we're applying this system to a society, those people would be actively working to figure out his essence, yes.
Dialectics are encouraged.

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>>130700418
>AnCap is like neoliberalism on steroids

Indeed, like a retarded horse fed with drugs

>>130716367
So you'd rather have fascism then freedom? I understand the racial argument and I feel the same way. I just don't get how natsoc society can be achieved with all the browns already here? Is the solution to force them out? Genuine question. I'm not being a smartass. Also what do we do about the lazy whites? We have a lot here. Do we just let them live off the backs of the productive?

>>130723625
I'd prefer fascism, yeah. I see national socialism as just a different kind of freedom to what's sold to us in America.

A lot of the browns would be forced out. I don't think it's likely the US would remain the same as it looks today, though.
And you have to remember NatSoc isn't an exclusively white ideology. If it spreads to blacks, hispanics, arabs, etc. the solution will be a lot easier, because they'll want to live among themselves and direct their own societies.

>what do we do about the lazy whites?
Reeducation, for the ones that are savable. Teach them how to be productive citizens, how to value community, and earning through labor.
For those that aren't savable, forced labor. With luck, they'll learn some kind of work ethic. But no tolerance for dead weight.