/pol/ communism general

I really need to save that spurdo gommie pasta

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>>130682964
https://youtu.be/aG1Jd3PF-JU

>>130683148

What's that?

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>>130683535
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

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>>130684190
What's your stance on big multinationals backing mass immigration in order to lower wages and undercut the workers?

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Comrade~

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>>130684382
He doesn't reply, look at pic related.

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>>130684382

A fucking bourgeois disgrace, once we get socialism in our countries we must bring socialism to those countries to fix their conditions there and not force people out of their birthplaces.

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>>130684719

Hi.

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>>130685277
Intredasting, would you go as far as to say multiculturalism is a farce? Also, your take on cultural Marxism

>>130685663

It's all a byproduct of the capitalists, jew or white or asian whatever they are bourgeois people that want to increase their capital and they will mix cultures if necessary, so that's why you see them pandering to muslims, to gays, etc. I don't know what cultural marxism is.

Fuck off. New flags were a mistake.

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>>130686209
nigger

>>130682964
Kill yourself, communism is a kike ideology.

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kys commie scum

sage

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>>130686209
Cultural Marxism is, as the name suggests, Marxism applied to culture instead of class. Here the oppressor-oppressed dynamic also takes places . i.e. instead of the bourgeoisie you have white males, and instead of the proletariat you have poor immigrants.
Cultural Marxists will then seek to topple the oppressor class (in this case, white males).

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>>130682964
>I hate the capitalist 1% so much God damnit REEEEE
>I know, lets strip their power and give it to the Jewish political 1% instead

How do people get memed on so hard?

So let's talk about self sufficient collectivism - co-ops and the possibility of setting them up within existing economic structures, until they reach a point where they can effectively replace the existing economic system, followed by volunteerist sharing of productive surplus, coordinated using technology, e.g - each co-op freely donates surplus productivity to each other, with productive needs coordinated using an app

Obstacles -
- Large required initial investment in land and equipment for each individual cooperative (Probably more than the current wealth of willing investors)
- Especially for raw materials (being solved by automation)
- Base cost of logistics (being solved by automation)
- Likely forceful resistance from the existing state structures, demands of taxation and propaganda seeking to dismantle the socialist collectives
- Ideological resistance from populace conditioned to believe capitalism is in their best interest

Benefits -
- Non-monetary economics leads to better ideology, healthier mindset, less greed, and working for the good of the whole
- Can focus on lowering environmental impact, achieving a high living standard through localised energy, food, water, and quality housing
- Cities freed from wasteful economic activity can focus on culture and scientific activities (much current economic activity is wasteful, such as finance, enterprise IT, "Office jobs" that produce nothing)

Let's discuss it, instead of baiting and countertrolling fascists and nazis. Can it be orchestrated peacefully? Can enough willing people set up socialist pockets of economic activity, generate a parrallel economy which obsolesces the owner-dominant one?

>>130686959
Jews would not exist under communism

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>>130687039
how exactly is this capitalism's fault tho?

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>>130687039
>be autistic 3rd worlder
>literally piss, shit, and drink from the same watering hole
>die
>it was capitalism's fault

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I share the same thought process that a lot of /lpol/ has.

But how do you reconciliate the fact that most modern Marxist movements have been undercut and corrupted by progressivism? They are essentially neo-liberals who support open borders, mass migration, displacement, and PACs.

For example I was a member of the IWW for a while, and I was expelled because I voiced the opinion that we should focus more on American workers instead of internationalism. For some reason they still cling to the belief that foreign workers dont hurt americans when they come here.

The few groups that share our views are dead

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>>130687156
>he believes Jews would lose their identity, gladly commingle, and become the vast swaths of goyim they set out to control in the first place
>he fell for Talmudic Judaism: The Government Edition this hard
W E W

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>>130687218
How isnt it

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>>130687421
tell me, my autistic gommie friend, how many anime commie waifu's reside in your commie waifu folder?

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>>130687632
you make the claim so you prove/explain it

>>130687129
Capitalism is too far advanced at this point for parallel development too occur. Our only chance at this point is Accelerationism

>>130687629
The Jewish faith would be gone under communism. Most jews are call white by today's standards.

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>>130687525
>They are essentially neo-liberals who support open borders, mass migration, displacement, and PACs
It really is amazing how hard commies got fagged

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>>130687744
Capitalism loves to starve and kill its own people.

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>>130687990

Then why do communist starve so many of their people?

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>>130687962
It fucking sucks man. Why couldn't hitler have just let stalin join the fucking Axis? they were so fucking close

>>130687525

We are the vanguard.... party...

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>>130687218
>how is this capitalism's fault
Because if you eat a sandwich and someone in the world that you've never met, won't think about, and doesn't effect your existence in the slightest dies of hunger then you starved them to death and are guilty of murder.

You aren't supposed to wonder if they are worthy of your sandwich, squandered their sandwiches, too lazy to work for a sandwich or anything like that. You either give them your stuff or you killed them.

DUHHHHHHH

>>130687747
I thought about this alright. That maybe it's better to allow the capitalist cycle to prepetuate for a while longer, to allow the darwinian forces of the market to create automated tools and infrastructure that will make future socialisation easier. The problem now is that it seems that process has slowed, and the economic focus has shifted to providing luxury technologies to the bourgeoisie, rather than improving industrial efficiencies or building infrastructure. As automation obsolesces the worker, there's the massive risk that the rich will simply shut out the masses from economic franchise entirely, and leave us all to scavenge for scraps while they live in private fortresses, without the motivation to improve things any further. It's the basic failing of capitalist economics from the worker's perspective that those in charge have to maintain a minimum level of education, health, and wellbeing in order to keep workers from revolting and keep them exploitable. If that changes, expect vast social degeneration rapidly, and considering the vast inequality we now face, it's really only a tiny tiny number of people who'll rule the rest of us with their killbot/sexbot/farmbots, and may eventually decide we're simply more trouble than we're worth and kill us off entirely.

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>>130687990
>implying commies didn't starve their own people

how are things like the Bengal famine and the US civil war a consequence of free market capitalism tho?

>>130682964

HIJO DE LA GRANDÍSIMA PUTA DEJA DE HACER ESTOS PUTOS THREADS DE MIERDA OJALA TE REVIENTEN EL CULO HASTA MORIR HIJO DE PUTA

>>130688312
Not an argument. Capitalism has killed more.
>>130688447
Why dont you care about the millions of white peope killed by capitalists?

>>130688525
They died for capitalist profit

>>130688483
Just keep voting for the absolute craziest batshit insane candidates and eventually class consciousness will develop again

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>>130688768
>This one guy killed a bunch of people
>don't worry about him tho, this guy killed a bunch more

How was there any profit to be gained from the Bengal famine? Wasn't that Churchill just stealing food from the poo in loos to feed the brits during WWII? How is there any profit involved in that?

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>when communists try to debate outside their hugbox

>>130687990
>Nazi holocaust 12 million
This whole image is beyond autism but that is just W E W L A D tier.
>>130688768
>Why dont you care about the millions of white peope killed by capitalists
Like those """"white"""" Jews you mentioned earlier

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>>130688732

Undialectical.

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>>130682964
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIVoN_ydUyE
srsly, why do you lot make such shitty memes?

http://academic.evergreen.edu/b/bohmerp/marxracism.htm
Marx was woke on race.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/11/accelerationism-how-a-fringe-philosophy-predicted-the-future-we-live-in
why not just skip socialism for pure capitalism? The worthless masses should just die off. Egalitarianism contradicts the natural order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rUfAbMEX-U

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>>130682964

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS90bm0ttFM

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>>130687990
survival of the fittest, how is this a bad thing?

>>130682964
Communism would work if *I* were in charge.

>>130687990
this shit is so inaccurate
150 million niggers killed in slave trade?
Actually 4 million
114 million native Americans killed? Smallpox killed 90-95 percent of them. 95% of 114 million is 108,300,000 so only 5,700,000 native Americans were killed by capitalism.
10 million gooks killed in Vietnam war?
Only 4-5 million.
10 million gooks killed in Korean war?
Only 2.1 million
100,000 men killed in Spanish American war?
Actually around 50,000.
60 million killed by british famines in India? Actually only 10,300,000.
This shitty source is retarded. Then it goes ultra bitch mode and blames a bunch of retarded kids dying on capitalism.

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>>130687129
Your main obstacle is human nature itself, as only the weak would want to live under your system. The strong should rule over the weak. You also face the economic calculation problem.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/homo-consumericus/201504/equality-under-the-law-equality-outcomes

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>>130693735

Like weak Hitler?

>>130682964
Hello comrade, revolution when?

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>>130694538
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVTW53Oxw7U

>>130687990
Counted all the famines and other shit. Only things I didn't count were the two world wars, the u.s agression on Latin America and the Congo, and the children dying part.

Capitalism Death Toll: 44,237,364
Communism Death Toll: 139,000,000 (78 million in China and 61 million in Soviet Union)
Communsim is shit. It's fucking trash, it hasn't worked and it will never work.

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>>130687039
Capitalism creates such an abundance of resources that the problem is overpopulation. The reason why there is death associated with water and hunger is that they are having seven kids when they can only feed five. Under worldwide communism there would be so many deaths that those people wouldn't grow up to have seven kids.

>>130694538
srsly, go back to /leftypol/ with the rest of the special snowflakes that don't work and contribute to society in a productive manner

>>130687990
Armenian Genocide because of Capitalism? Not religious ideology. A cholera outbreak in 1892 because of capitalism? Capitalist policies in India? Jesus fucking Christ, you are retarded. The mass killing in India were done by muslims against Hindus for religious reasons. The British Imperial system was a mercantilism. Mercantilism is anti-capitalistic. It is more communistic in nature. The economy is run by state-owned business and use ruthless business practices to maximize the state's wealth. Some of the biggest opponents to mercantilism were John Locke and Adam Smith. Pretty much the creators of capitalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercantilism#Criticisms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_India#Independent_India

>>130693735
I don't think that article really reinforces your point. People can and should contribute according to their individual abilities, and society will make itself strong by ensuring those individual abilities are correctly catered for during the upbringing of the child. The ghetto rat in detroit may never have been capable of being a doctor or a physicist, but he could've lived a dignified and honest life as a labourer, or athlete. If we create a society and culture in which our children are taught to exemplify the best aspects of themselves, and that greatness comes from the betterment of yourself and your society, then every person can contribute positively, and feel a sense of belonging to a greater whole. I don't see this as being all that different than your fascist ideal, except that this way doesn't seek to enforce supremacy (since if it's a fact it will always express itself naturally anyway), but to give every member of every group the best possible chance to make a positive contribution to the group.

>>130697775
It was a shitpost. On a more serious note, as an anarcho-fascist and accelerationist, my main objection is to involuntary nature of communism and its economic inefficiencies. I would prefer to live in a more prosperous but unequal society, while you may favor the reverse. Equality of opportunity over equality of outcome. Hierarchies are fine as long as they are voluntary.

>>130699325
I like equality of opportunity too, which is why capitalism bothers me so much. We've reached a point in that economic process whereby a huge number of people never really have the opportunity to contribute, even if they conduct themselves according to how society dictates you should succeed. Young, ambitious people who study hard, qualify into technology or science, are now finding their wage on graduation doesn't even support the means to raise a family or own a home. The basic dignity of work, and the ability of wage workers to support themselves has been attacked to the point where entire generations of able bodied, ambitious, intelligent, hard working people are just giving up, committing suicide, dropping out of society, in the face of certain and inescapable poverty and destitution. And they have to live like this in the face of children of inherited wealth and limited ability rubbing it in their face, living in a parrallel economic reality where nothing is out of their reach no matter how utterly mediocre and dimwitted they are as people. Capitalism no longer offers that fundamental economic justice, and I'm not sure if it ever did. I would prefer to contribute to a society that valued me as a participant, and where the rewards for my labour were tangible within my community. It's a fact that poverty and deprivation multiplies, and from it stems the costly problems of antisocial behaviour, crime, bodily self harm through drugs and alcohol - making an effort to bring these people to a baseline level of dignified participation actually works out cheaper in the long run, and improves everybody's lot in society. If everybody is out for themselves without a care for their wider impact on their society, or the planet as a whole, we're doomed. Very few of us will eventually survive, and maybe those people get to live in a utopia free of want, but it won't be for you and me.

>>130700775
The social ills you describe arise from the mixed model economy that we have, governed by technocratic elites who promote a hegemonic agenda that only benefits them, which includes dumbing down the masses and giving them the illusion of sovereignty with democracy. Under pure capitalism, the sheer economic inefficiencies of bureaucratic organizations, like states and corporations, would be mitigated by competition. We probably overemphasize the value of work, like David Greaber says. However, given the current arrested development of the masses who act like children, a new elite has to rise to overthrow the current elites, until the masses become conscious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKHGDPeqk2s

>>130687892
You should read The Culture of Critique

>>130699325
>communism and its economic inefficiencies.

What is your measure of efficiency?

>>130702830
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephemeralization

https://fee.org/articles/socialism-and-incentives/

Without the incentives of competition, there would be likely stasis, as people would choose the path of least resistance.

>>130702830
Ephemeralization coupled with anti-fragility or robustness

http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2010/05/taleb_on_black_1.html

>>130703559
>stasis

Your measure is activity?

Very odd.

>>130702222
It's an interesting proposition, but I think that due to the fundamental nature of an economic system where each transaction is inherently imbalanced in favour of a profiteer, and the reality that you need money to make money, and being rich is paradoxically cheaper, wealth will almost always coalesce in the hands of a few, who will leverage that wealth (through control of media and buying politicians) to exercise power in the name of further increasing their wealth. It's unsustainable and doomed to a cycle of collapse.

The main flaw is that it views raw self enrichment as the sole and critical motivator of productivity - that people will only work and innovate in order to increase their personal wealth. Humans are far more complex in their motivations than that, and the personal wealth motivation creates other socially detrimental problems through the damage caused by greed and gluttony - people taking more than they need. My proposed social model accounts for other motivations - the natural and reproducable altruism and social unity that truly motivates many people.

>>130682964
Communism is Jewish

>>130682964
It should be /CG/ we already know we're on /pol/ faggot

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>>130704907

Oh, really?

What does that make Capitalism?

Pic related...

>>130683987
Top kek

>>130704592
Stagnation leads to death and decay. Most humans are lazy and complacent creatures, we should reward those go above and beyond what they have to do with profits.

>>130705150
>Oh, really?
Yes, really.

>What does that make Capitalism?
Jewish as well.

>Pic related...
You seem to imply that one can only choose either Judeo Communism or Judeo Capitalism. There is a third choice. Flag related.

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>>130700775
>>130699108
>>130698484
>>130694538
>>130692813
>>130688768
>>130687129
>t.faggots not buying acres to set their own communes and starting from there instead of grandiose fantasies of some how overthrowing the government (which has unfathomable tech us civilians don't know about via Black Budget Project's R&D) and implenting Kommunistische society
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>>130705309
>Stagnation

Surely, if "activity" is the measure of "efficiency" any useless expense of energy would be defined as "efficient", thus making a mockery of the term.

>>130704708
Communism was, is and will always be Jewish.

>>130705443
>There is a third choice

You mean Jewish funded national socialism?

>>130705772
>You mean Jewish funded national socialism?
The NSDAP wasn't funded by the Jews. Do you believe the Holocaust happened as well because the mainstream media told you so?

>>130704708
The game will be rigged as long as variations in individual human ability exist. Altruism may occur only in a minority of the population and they're not in control. Instead, we have psychopaths running the show, as the worst get on top. Capitalism, at least limits the damage these people can, as people can always stop buying what they sell or boycott them. Since value is subjective, how do we determine if people take more than they need? If people earn their wealth through voluntary means, by building up capital, we may have inequality, but at least we have a positive sum game, where everyone gets richer, but at varying rates. Greed and gluttony do not equate to rational self-interest.

>>130705626
Productive activity that results in the most output with fewest inputs

>>130704708
Still, we could have a social safety net like universal basic income on a voluntary basis. Charities should compete with each other.

>>130708002
http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=B2551B4ABD5B15116B294C548AD1F962

>>130706642
Everyone doesn't get richer though. Living standards are in decline throughout the west. This has been shrouded for a while by technological advancement, but is becoming apparent now. As for "voting with your dollar", the rich will always outvote you. That's visible nowadays in the shift of marketing towards luxury items, conspicuous consumption and status goods, at the expense of quality products for the masses - the producers know they can't afford them, and are factoring them out of the economic equation, chasing after the large cash piles of the few. That's why half the ads on TV are now aimed at retired people - they're the only ones left with mass buying power - however, a quieter parrallel market has emerged that doesn't advertise itself visibly to the masses and it's growing exponentially. New economics cuts out a huge number of people, and leaves them for dead. If this is the system by which we're supposed to live our lives - frankly why bother even trying? You're shut out in the cold by accident of birth.

>>130705150
https://thedailyknell.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/how-the-money-power-spawns-libertarians/

>>130708002
Basic income is troublesome in that it basically absolves the state of all responsibility to it's citizens by provision of a living stipend (since it's usually proposed to replace social investment and public spending). All those in power have to do once this is implemented is allow it to stagnate in value relative to inflation, and then they've successfully dismantled the collective power of government, and it's ability to place a check on the excesses of capitalism. Removal of government from the equation basically leaves the masses powerless against players who already practically hold all the cards. I think the idea of voluntary charitable donations to replace social investment is supremely selfish - usually touted by people who'd almost certainly donate far less than they currently pay in taxes. Basic citizenship has to accept that there are responsibilites we have to wider society that aren't immediately personally appealing, but that will improve our personal lot along with the rest of society - it's the basis of all taxation theory, and a lot of our civic duties, from sending our children to school to obeying the law, even where we don't agree with it, or what our kids are being taught.

>>130686882
French here. To be honest white privilege isn't something we hear a lot about in Europe but American liberals sounds quite retarded.

The fact that rich people are getting richer and richer is a fact. Also marxism is about basically taking the property of means of production from the bourgeoisie so i don't see what is has to do with niggers shooting themselves in the hood then blamming white people for everything.

>>130708527
Income stagnation has occurred under the current system. The masses are blinded by consumerism or commodity fetishism and live under the delusion that luxuries are necessities. This requires a paradigm shift in consumer psych as these days, the masses follow trivial fads and rely too much on others, which the market provides for, with a unfortunate byproduct of planned obsolescence. If consumer habits change, so will the products provided. The technocratic state only fucks things up by encouraging such childish behavior to stay in power, as a self-reliant citizenry poses a threat, and wastes our stolen tax dollars on corporate welfare and war. Some would act selfishly, but taxation destroys any incentives for altruism, as why care about your fellow man, when you assume that someone is "solving" the problem or a replacement of personal responsibility with collective responsibility. The government is a fear machine. The government welfare, their “help,” always keeps people in poverty instead of raising them out of it. Most people are so placated and dumbed down by TV and the media that they would find endless distractions to keep them from doing something meaningful. The ones who have drive find a way, despite their circumstances. Since most tax dollars are wasted, the replacement of said money with voluntary charity would likely help more people than one would expect. Better to teach a man how to fish instead of giving him the fish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dHSPgH3mHE

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>>130683987

Gud post, Godrad!

>>130709530
It comes from the same faggot mentality

>>130686959
communism: a stateless, moneyless society

cant give or take money if the ideology doesnt even have money involved.

>this time will work fellow gumerads :DDDD
the cancer never ends

>>130714709
https://youtu.be/5RM2SuMyYDU

white men are all evil, according to the degenerate subhumans

>>130682964
Fuck off, tankie. Libertarian socialism or gtfo

>>130717109
http://www.philosophersmag.com/opinion/30-karl-marx-s-radical-antisemitism

>>130717109
What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.…. Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities…. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange…. The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.
Karl Marx

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question

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>>130682964

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>>130682964
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPs3EeRyL9Y