Most men have absolutely HAD IT with modern women. There are

go out more and have fun
you're probaly not even ready for marriage anyways

>>130667886
Dont forget, MGTOW dont hate women.
We simply just dont go along with gynocentrism. We hate the beta cucks who's only reproductive strategy is pandering to women.

>>130667886
Oh and......SAGE
>Digits mean absolutely nothing, even if you manage to get them.
Obvious bate JIDF thread

>>130668280
>we

There's no "we" in MGTOW. It's not a movement.

>>130667886
mindset of weaklings that are the actual enablers of what you posted.

Women are like animals. You have to tame them and then they will be satisfied and will provide for you.. you have to be strong, independent, confident leader and they will flock to you to serve you..rule of nature

>weak beta-cuck (you) = loud, self-entitled, cheating feminist
>real man (not you) = obedient, caring, feminine woman

Whole MGTOW crap is just institutionalized cuckoldry that is actually proving women right in their actions

>>130668566
Rejecting gynocentrism is a must, though. You cant be worshipping pussy and be red pilled at the same time.

>>130667886
Keked!

there is nothing more repulsive to good women than hiding from your own inadequacy behind the skirts of the minority of women who behave like men. mgtow is nihilistic narcissism wrapped up in a very shiny woe as me. gross. real men are providers, stable in a crisis and never whine.

>>130669171
True.

>>130668987
>You have to tame them and then they will be satisfied and will provide for you.. you have to be strong, independent, confident leader and they will flock to you to serve you..rule of nature

True. That role is filled by the state - the state is their alpha. If you try any of your dominance shit on women, she will call her alpha to the rescue and you will get fucked.

>>130669371
this is true.. you are just like spoiled kids..just giving up instead of being a man who puts woman in line
MGTOW is one of the most pathetic result of feminized society..completely against all traits and archetypes of manhood in this area (leader, provider, and master to woman)

>>130669371
>>130669774

Enjoy your alimony.

>>130667977
My sides Kek

>>130669371
>real men are providers
Jesus! You spout your beta programming with the force of a lion. A true white knight!

File: 1495573129742.png (237KB, 588x434px) Image search: [Google]

237KB, 588x434px

>>130667886

>>130669690
no.. in that case you are just a try-hard who does not know what hes doing. If being alpha male comes naturally to you, than it is irresistible for women.. state with all of todays bullcrap is quite a magnet for women, but only when real man is not around

From my experience from my bros they MGTOW cause they born with small balls and penis. Sucks now they putting stuff in the water that makes the freaking frogs gay also making men not bother with women.

>>130669935
dude what are you trying to prove all the time.. it has been like that since the time we were living in cages.. men ruled and provided, women took care and gave births.

>>130667886
fucking pleb

>>130670405
*caves

>>130667886
You go your own way if you want to.
More women for me.

Yes women are a pain in the arse, but I'm not giving them up because I know that not all women are dickheads.

>>130670405
>200-500 years ago when a man provided for his woman he was a good man
I agree, WE DONT LIVE IN THAT TIME ANYMORE
>Today if a man provides for his woman no matter what she does even if she divorces you you have to provide alimony/childsupport
You know what we call this today? Cuck!

Providing used to be honorable, now women can just cuck the fuck out of you and if you keep "providing" youre a cuck.

>>130670785
That's why I give it to them up the arse

File: 1454603770127.png (180KB, 1124x615px) Image search: [Google]

180KB, 1124x615px

>>130668987
>You have to tame them and then they will be satisfied and will provide for you.. you have to be strong, independent, confident leader and they will flock to you to serve you..rule of nature
This is the most destructive meme the feminist enables can propagate.
You don't have to do any of that. The whole point of civilization was that you don't have to waste your energy over any of that. You (used to) get a wife, get a family and all your energy goes towards working and providing, creating wealth for your family (and being taxed on the way).
If you accept the midset that you MUST participate in the mating dance like some animal, you might as well paint your hair green and go to protest at some slut walk because you've already drank the feminist kool-aid.
>It's the natural thing
Civilization is NOT natural. Civilization is all about forcibly adapting nature to what serves us best. Civilization is literally anti-natural.

>>130667886
I have polish wife... She respects me and listen when I say STFU she know I m serious also she know that I M the fucking alpha in the family not her not our dog...she knows that I will do everything to keep her safe and she trusts me and I can trust her. she is perfect for me and beats finnish womans 100/0 in everyway.

>>130670184
Keep telling yourself that and eventually you'll get burned.

>>130670861
there is some true in this, but your outcomes are completely bad. we have to take rule over women back, not accepting our fate and abandon women for our comfort.. thats submissive approach

>MGTOW = nihilism, giving-up, abandoning of whts left of mens position in society

I've thought a lot about MGTOW, and I have to give them some credit. They really missed the mark, thought. It seems like they think all women, everywhere, are pretty much the exact same. It's the worst sort of reasoning; anecdotal evidence then taken to an nth degree of inductive arguments.

I find it odd, too, that they seem to play this really weird blame game, where all women are this, and all women are that. It's half of the story. Maybe less depending on the lens. Yeah, culture around dating has caused it, but guess who enabled it? Oh yeah, that's right.

I rather like the fact that MGTOW has brought some awareness to the sorts of issues men really do face; women who aren't anywhere near as industrious wanting the bar lowered; aspects of dating/hookup/fling culture that really are regressive as hell; and issues of entitlement amongst some women. But, to say that all women are like this is a joke. And no, not because I'm some white knight splerge, but because it doesn't account for these man refusing to take some damn responsibility. There's too much resentment and blaming, like some feminists do, that is pretty much suicide for the movement.

>>130671288
>Civilization is NOT natural. Civilization is all about forcibly adapting nature to what serves us best. Civilization is literally anti-natural.
Unsure of that one. Seems like we evolved in such a way, if you prescribe to evolutionary trade-off theory, that we made some concessions. We were, 350 million years ago, pretty much a species in some weird simple form that just killed whatever got in the way. We evolved in such a way that, if you can contribute to the group and that the group has an environment conducive to allow for it it's acceptable. Civilization is natural, at least in that it isn't divine intervention.

>>130667886
>Even if she doesn't have a Chad, she's gonna make you bust your balls to get anything going with her, simply for her amusement -- just because she can. You gotta play a million different mind games, jump through a million different hoops.
the way to win the game is to not play.

>Approaching women is also pointless
hehehe maybe the way u do it

>>130671288
>If you accept the midset that you MUST participate in the mating dance like some animal
dating is hard for everyone, men and women. men use and throw women away all the time, it's not only the opposite of that.

my friend is 5'8, not particularly attractive, and yet every time we go on a city break he's hooking up with multiple women. in croatia he banged 2 women in a night. in toronto he met someone and banged on the first night despite the jetlag. in portgual it was 2 girls over the course of 5 nights but we were mainly there for a music festival.

he didn't pay a penny for the privilege. it's honestly pretty easy.

>>130667886
>Most men have absolutely HAD IT with modern women.
Most "men" have absolutely HAD IT with modern women.
FTFY

Tell shallow hotties to go fuck themselves and find yourself a normal, average looking, respectable girl instead of blaming women for your bad choices.

>>130671483
MGTOW is not 1 movement. Everyone just goes his own way.
Some of us dont want to get married, some of us get married but use the red pill information to protect themselves with pre-nup and stuff.
Some of us even go have a wife in a foreign country.
Men cant win in a political way. Women and beta cucks are 80% of the electorate and the laws are fucked. MGTOW=reject gynocentrism+go your own way whatever that means for you

>>130671430
she's a whore

>>130668987
>Whole MGTOW crap is just institutionalized cuckoldry that is actually proving women right in their actions
This is correct I failed with women until I realised you need to take away reason and accountability from them. They are children / teenagers at best never fully adult.

Wasn't until I started being a dom with the ladies I started dating and explained it was my way or the highway that my relationships went well. Invest in some rope and do some kink with her and she will submit and want the submission and even crave it, mgtow is useful to help you find the best deal.

>>130667886
Sounds like defeatist faggot bullshit to me. You have to have bad experiences to know what a good ones. I've had four long term serious relationships in my time, been engaged twice. I have a daughter with a woman I was engaged to for ten years. She's the most precious thing in my World. I'm in a relationship with a traditional woman who is red pilled as fuck. It takes time and experience. Don't fucking cry like a girl's blouse, man the fuck up and start dating.

>>130672015
>some of us get married but use the red pill information to protect themselves with pre-nup and stuff.
pre-nups are almost universally useless. they usually expire after about 5 years.
>[...] beta cucks are 80% of the electorate
>Some of us even go have a wife in a foreign country.
the irony is a fucking feast

plenty of people don't get married. that's not uncommon. the fact that you glom onto a tag like "MGTOW" goes quite a way in showing the extent to which what you're describing is really just sour grapes

>>130671288
I can see where your thoughts are coming for but you are the one in delusion.

there is no MUST.. that is an essence of manhood. It is printed into our psyche not BY or FOR women/feminists, but by our archetypal being. We provide so woman can give us our sons (thats pretty much their only purpose).. it is animalistic concept that has nothing to do with anyone forcing us to do it..

times got ugly (we fucked up our society by giving women higher status) and you are trying to solve it by running away from what is natural.

when we were in caves there was no civilization..just primitive instincts same to those animals bear

>>130672302
>man the fuck up and start dating.

you sound like a cuck who wasted way too much money and time on women.

>>130672450
Did you take the Peterson pill too my guy? I'll be thinking of you at the lecture tonight.

>>130671966
Normal, "average" looking women would rather all share Chad with the shallow hotties than settle for a normal, average looking man. After all, these women have lifted up their statuses in the past half century from entering the workplace, and we all know that most women are not willing to settle for a man across or down from them on the scale.

>>130672554
Cuck lol aye lad okay. I'm actively helping the white race. I have a child. Not sitting in my Mum's house banging my cock over porn you little tit.

>>130672174
YES!
Women are like emotional kids who needs to be led, taught what to do (and they actually wants that!). They are pretty good in one thing.. they can sense mens weakness from miles away (and thats when they get ugly and cheat/leave you).. its completely natural

I was married, have had several long-term girlfriends. Its fun while it lasts, but too expensive and they are too entitled. I love the single life and you can enjoy dating and hookups any time.

MGTOW is a valid choice. Remember, there's no "I" in Team, but there is a "U" in Fuck you

>>130667886
MGTOW is taking the Jews propaganda and instead of fighting it, you jump right to their ultimate conclusion. Being willingly barren is worse than race mixing with a nigger. 0 whites is worse than 1/2

You would risk a civil war but you wouldn't risk marriage? It's the only good way to raise multiple kids. Right now even if we won every political fight on our door step we do not have enough young whites to sustain our numbers. We would still be half as strong in just 30 years.

"Oh no but she fucked some other guys before, or a nigger, or is left leaning, or isn't redpilled."

Even with that kind of history you still have like a 50% chance to have a long term marriage. If you are educated, well off, or have no criminal history, that chance increases. Of marriages that don't work out, only a very few of them end really badly for the guy. You defeat the left by just having a successful life and raising a few normal kids, which the odds are still greatly in your favor to do. You don't have to do anything, don't need to fight antifa, etc.

The left has to fight and advance to win because things like LBGT, SJWs, and cucks inherently do not reproduce. They are not normal, they are not successful. They cannot afford 4 kids even when they try.

We just have to stay steady and keep our birth rate up. That is the #1 priority of anyone that cares about our people.

MGTOW inherently denies reproduction. It's almost a crutch for losers to pretend they aren't losers. Like, "You can't reject me if I never ask you out." It's a disguise for an evolutionary dead end of beta males that don't have what it takes to be fathers.

Our race is now on the shoulders of those of us with the fortitude to take those risks. What's truly amazing is MGTOW doesn't even try to put money into white families with kids. You just give up and selfishly spend it on yourself. You're the right wing version of catladies and I despise you. Even white Antifa that have kids are more helpful to us.

>>130672602
man this viewpoint is so detached from reality i really have to question how experienced you are in the real world.

>Normal, "average" looking women would rather all share Chad with the shallow hotties than settle for a normal, average looking man.
boo hoo women only date the bad boys they'll never go for a nice guy like mee~
it's just beyond pathetic at this point. and it's not even true. like i said earlier in this thread, my friend who is most successful with women is about the furthest thing from a chad you can imagine. He's:

>5'8
>average looking
>total music/football nerd, but not in an athletic way
>doesn't work out
>unbelievably stingy (he calls it "fair") with his money
>terrible temper

but he cleans up all over the world. if you don't know how people like him do this, you have no business posting in this thread.

>>130667886
could you be a more bitter virgin?

t. chad

>>130667886

Being incel doesn't make you a MGTOW, it just makes you an autismal dicklet

>>130671882
>dating is hard for everyone, men and women.
Dating is already part of the feminist dogma, my friend. This is the problem with conservatives, they don't know where does it come what they are consevating. Change the meaning of a conservative accepted term and now you have a pack of guard dogs defending your liberal ideology.
Dating, before feminists hijacked the term, refered to a couple or so of encounters (most of them chaperoned by their parents) between two individuals of marrigeable age, for the exclusive purpose of knowing each other before getting married. Not any of these night out binge drinking and fucking in a bathroom stall.
>Unsure of that one. Seems like we evolved in such a way, if you prescribe to evolutionary trade-off theory, that we made some concessions.
There are many parts of civilization advncement, that go against our natural insticts. Like sex,for example. Men are polygamous and women are hypergamous.However it's impossible to build a cvilization on anything other than monogamy.
We haven't evolved to fit organically into our civilization, that's why I say it's anti-natural, but it doesn't mean that being unnatural is bad.

>>130672953
>MGTOW is taking the Jews propaganda and instead of fighting it, you jump right to their ultimate conclusion

>MGTOW inherently denies reproduction. It's almost a crutch for losers to pretend they aren't losers. Like, "You can't reject me if I never ask you out." It's a disguise for an evolutionary dead end of beta males that don't have what it takes to be fathers.

AMEN

>>130672953
This

>>130667886
I'm a nerd and I got a gf after I started working out and sorting my personality out.

I think both of those reasons can explain why so many men haven't been able to get a girl.

>>130671430
>this delusion

Mate, she'll cuck you at some point. She's still a woman.

>>130671483
>thats submissive approach

:D

File: 4444126862_0c515ec888_o.jpg (36KB, 355x351px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 355x351px

>>130672958
Oh wow one anecdote, you really showed me.

>Nigel actually believes that women gauge men in the same way that men gauge women in terms of terms valuability

>>130672953
Fucking bang on the money mate.

>>130673085
>conservatives
>consevating
my sides

>Dating, before feminists hijacked the term, refered to a couple or so of encounters (most of them chaperoned by their parents) between two individuals of marrigeable age
yeah you're right. people used to meet someone twice and then spend 50 years being a total mismatch and hating each other's guts and then dying.
i'd take fucking in a bathroom stall over that any day.

>However it's impossible to build a cvilization on anything other than monogamy.
tell that to the greeks, persians, ottomans, etc. -- monogamy is much more recent a phenomenon than you seem to think it is.

>>130673246
Men commit adultery more. The n1 divorce reason is husband's cheating.

>>130672602
Again, not all women are completely fucked up daddy's spoiled little princesses. The fact that feminists and "feminists" are really loud and obnoxious does not mean that all women are like that. Trust me. I was a kid in puberty once, I liked regularly changing shallow cunts and getting my dick wet wherever possible. Guess what? I grew the fuck up and there's nothing preventing you from doing that too. You need to work on yourself a bit and all will improve. You don't need gay pride abs or a 7 figure income to attract a decent woman, just don't be a complete slob and/or a completely irresponsible manchild.

File: primitive model of breeding.png (79KB, 1479x571px) Image search: [Google]

79KB, 1479x571px

>>130672450
The problem here is, that one thing doesn't imply the other. It's absolutely OK to be as manly as you want to be. But as soon as you condition family building to a level of manliness, then you're already supporting the feminist cause, and getting away from what made possible civilization in the first place.

>>130672953
When it comes down having kids, it takes a village. How likely is it that you could raise a son who becomes a man in the traditional sense, and doesn't turn into a hipster faggot? No matter how hard you try, you are simply outmatched by Hollywood, the school system, advertisements, and the influence of other kids that he will become friends with, and their parents. How likely is it that you could raise a daughter worthy of marriage according to, say, /pol/'s standards? I'm sure that, minor quibbles aside, most of us will agree that those standards are quite reasonable, but at the same time, quite difficult to find these days. With how outmatched we are, can we really pull that off? Aren't the odds so ridiculously stacked against us that we're leaving the realm of masculine risk taking for the sake of the greater good, and entering the territory of reckless endangerment? At the risk of sounding naive, perhaps if good men and would-be fathers start opting out of marriage (as many already are), then society will sooner or later have a wake up call and start moving in a better direction.

The D-Day Normandy beach invasion was risky and deadly, but ultimately worth it. The men who sacrificed their lives that day did not die in vain. The general who ordered the take over of the Ant Hill, however, in Paths of Glory, was a coward and an idiot, not the men who were unjustly tried and executed for "cowardice." I know it's a fictional story loosely based on a true story, but as a work of art it's close enough to reality that I'll use it as an example, which is that those men did die in vain. That's the difference between calculated risk and necessary sacrifice, vs. reckless self-endangerment and the need of a tactical retreat.

>>130668987
Dead on.

MGTOW regards females a equals and hates them as they just believe them to be shitty individuals.

A real alpha regards them as a creature deserving of protection and respect, but ultimately something to be controlled and dominated.

>>130672953
Also:

>Even with that kind of history you still have like a 50% chance to have a long term marriage

What kind of marriage, though? Dead bedroom, separate beds, separate bedrooms?

File: 1437360492565.jpg (22KB, 394x222px) Image search: [Google]

22KB, 394x222px

>>130667977
Yes goyim, give your shekels to the vaginal jew...

>>130667886
We're totally going to show those women how tough we are by fucking off to a corner and jerking it because a corrupt international system of ethnocide decided to genocide the fuck out of us by making it as difficult as possible to procreate and hold a family together. What's that? You want me to fight this system that has disenfranchised me from my rightful inheritance? Fuck that sounds tough and dangerous I'll just go my own way. I'm aplha as fuck.

File: mac.jpg (94KB, 900x900px) Image search: [Google]

94KB, 900x900px

>>130667886
Loving you
Isn't the right thing to do
How can I ever change things that I feel?

If I could
Baby I'd give you my world
How can I
When you won't take it from me?

You can go your own way
Go your own way
You can call it another lonely day
You can go your own way
Go your own way

Tell me why
Everything turned around
Packing up
Shacking up's all you wanna do

If I could
Baby I'd give you my world
Open up
Everything's waiting for you

You can go your own way
Go your own way
You can call it another lonely day
You can go your own way
Go your own way

>>130673457
>yeah you're right. people used to meet someone twice and then spend 50 years being a total mismatch and hating each other's guts and then dying.
>i'd take fucking in a bathroom stall over that any day.
And right here is why the feminists are winning.
You want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to bang sluts left and right, and then at the snap of your fingers have a virgin ethnonationalist qt3.14 who blushes at handholding.

>>130673329
>Nigel actually believes that women gauge men in the same way that men gauge women in terms of terms valuability
i don't. women are waaaay less picky than men in the looks department. if you have an honest connection with a woman she'll almost certainly sleep with you based on that alone. AS LONG AS YOU ARE REASONABLY WELL DRESSED AND CLEAN. those are the two big ones. here's another anecdote

>be me, 5'6, unfit, average-looking, on holiday in Toronto
>meet a girl (5'9, attractive) and get talking
>she mentions her favourite band is neutral milk hotel
>i say "yeah i saw them in poland last year, they were so great live"
>she buys us a round of beers for that fact
>we get in a taxi
>i say "so where to next? you're the local i'm trusting you to show me around"
>she says "let's just go back to mine and fuck" and kisses me
>can't believe my luck

that was it. i just happened to have seen a band she liked and immediately in her mind i'm a cultured globe-trotting playboy.
I understand not wanting to get married. I'm probably not going to get married. But writing off dating just seems insane.

>>130674059
> virgin ethnonationalist qt3.14 who blushes at handholding.
i don't want this at all. i don't think i'd sleep with a virgin now, it wouldn't seem right, i'm 26. i'm way more into women who know what they want.

File: 1464783785296.png (244KB, 1200x4168px) Image search: [Google]

244KB, 1200x4168px

>>130674352
Enjoy your alimony then.
There's a reason all civilizations have had to guarantee a woman's virginity before marriage.

>>130673578
>>130673643

You are such a faggot.

"The enemy is strong so why even fight? Lets just all stop reproducing guys, It's better this way. Oy VEy. Even if you get married and make it last then it's not going to be sexy" that's what you sound like.

I've been married for a few years, things are great. We don't have sex as much as when we were younger but who cares? You live for bigger things than just the next time you can get off. And how exactly would MGTOW be an improvement? I get to fuck a real girl a few times a week as compared to always with my hand. Separate bedrooms is for if you have to get up at different times because you both are responsible adults with jobs and need sleep. You still fuck. I wouldn't expect a neet to understand.

The propaganda has been going a long time. Most of our boomer parents sat on ass our entire lives watching TV. They even get mad when we try to talk to them, even as successful adults their goddamn TV is more precious to them.

I did not have a village, I went to school with everybody else and researched shit our teachers told us and we had discussions about which books did Hitler burn and why. Upon finding surviving copies it was monstrous anti white propaganda, it deserved to be destroyed. A lot of us have been redpilled for over 20 years about this stuff and we figured it out more less on our own by not being retarded.

I have no Antena, no Cable, and I block specific YouTube URL's and various bad sites on my proxy. My kids are pretty well shielded here. I just buy DVD's that I approve of and sometimes it's popular shows so they can know what their peers know, but I interact with my kids like 100x more than my father interacted with me and I'm fine. I think my kids are gonna be great. The problem is I can only afford like 2-3 kids and still reasonably expect to be able to put them through college.

I need other whites doing this. We beat the Jew by just living good lives.

Can someone red pill me in this please? I don't know what MGTOW is but it sounds very cuckish/sour grapes given the context.

>Arguing with tradcucks

Why do you bother? All they do is make emotional appeals and insult. Half of them are just undercover roasties pretending to be beta providers pretending to be alpha males.

Meanwhile, the marriage rate continues to plummet. Stay toasty, roasties.

>>130667886
If the issue is with the chick, then where would you find the right chick? Seems you are looking for love in the proverbial dive bar anon, or just straw manning women into a monolith of a group.

>>130673643
That's up to you to never allow the fire to die. But that'd recquire some effort from mgtow unresponsible fagot.

>>130674562
literally just said i don't want to get married.
>>130674562
>There's a reason all civilizations have had to guarantee a woman's virginity before marriage.
>all civilizations
haha what read a book. literally any book, from a book that would tell you that nowhere near "all" civilisations did this, to a book that would tell you about the difficulty of guaranteeing virginity, to a book about ancient relationships. some books might even have theories that jesus christ may have married mary magdalene. even if it didn't happen, it wasn't outside the realm of possibility.

>>130674825
if you want an in-depth elaborate explanation and refutation of the sort of shaming towards mgtow being practiced, this is long but very thorough and good.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faeT4fIFAcg

In short, MGTOW is a social phenomena of the contract of marriage no longer being perceived as worth it to modern men, who rather than signing their shit away and getting married, opt out and abstain from long term relationships, marriage and children, some of the more extreme mgtow abstain from short term relationships and casual sex as well. This is due to the inherent legal and economic risk involved with interaction with women nowadays.
>false rape accusations
>spermjacking
>divorce rape
>etc.

>>130674825
it's literally Sour Grapes: The "Not A Movement" Movement.

>>130667886
>I hate what I can't have.

>>130674825
It is pretty sour grapes, but they also have good points sometimes. The thing is, in actuality, theyre not even against feminism in theory, as feminism claims to be egalitarian. In reality though, women have been freed of their traditional gender roles and expectations while men have not. As much as you'll see articles or whatever saying that men need to be more sensitive and less masculine or whatever, the simple truth is that generally women instinctively want mates that are stronger and more responsible than they are. They want a leader to look up to, not a partner. Too many men bought into this promise of partnership that feminism and the left in general have pushed for the past 20 or so years, and as a result of seeing the reality, there are a lot of very bitter young men.

>>130667886
t. Someone who hasnt learned how to play roasties

>>130667886
Most men? Cool stats cuck. Get turned down alot?

>>130674825
It's essentially, "Oh no, I'm a kissless virgin approaching 30, better pretend like I planned this: the movement."

>>130675327
I like to call it blood coated gilded shackles.

>>130667886
Beta submissive cuckcrybaby spotted.
Go die in a corner in silence.

>>130667977
>actually believing in the kikes meme
im natsoc and even i am mgtow, it has nothing to do with the jews, if anything the liberal jews got manipulated by their sluty women just like the rest of the west

My biggest problem with anti-MGTOW people is their fallback on shaming tactics. MGTOW isn't a phenomenon that would exist in a vacuum, it goes against men's inherent biological programming. It is a reaction to the legal/economic unfairness of family courts and the legal system as well as the modern superculture of feminism and gynocentrism.

Most men go their own way after years of being shamed and see all shaming on par with shaming from women, so trying to shame them some more into producing white children is unproductive and a waste of time. The more appropriate response to MGTOW is attacking what it is reacting to and would not exist without.

Another reason is because many men analyzed the cost/risk/benefit analysis of marriage and relationships with women, and relationships didn't come out as worth it in the equation. If you want to fight the MGTOW crowd, you have to use this in your arguments and try to re-balance the scales.

>>130673241
THIS
Seriously, is any of you autists who want a chick without any of the effort to get a chick should just fuck off. Chicks are not as shallow as the lot of you think, they look for dedication to self-betterment, which comes with working out, educating yourself, sorting yourself out, and all of the things that make you more valuable. Thankfully, MGTOW isn't saying "Make society conform to you!" like some of the feminist groups here in the states, but it is dishonest to claim that women are a monolith of uptight bitches and all men can find happiness without a woman, and that long term relationships with women are impossible. Seriously, if the lot of you worked to better yourself while at the same time perused what you want, 4chan MGTOW would be pulling chicks like a fucking magnet: effortlessly and in mass.

File: 1426094150474.jpg (14KB, 300x295px) Image search: [Google]

14KB, 300x295px

>>130675975
>producing white children is unproductive and a waste of time.
Never fails.

>>130673497
>females are gatekeepers of sex
Wrong mindset. Females are not giving sex as a treat to man.. only thing they really want in their lives is sex (they are the one chasing for it) with the right man..they want to reproduce into oblivion when having right conditions (again when with the right man). Female physique and psychic is programmed utterly for one purpose. SEX = breeding..
our society gave women status and flipped it around

You know mgtow retards are on to something,when shills dissect every thread about them making useful discussion nonexistent.

File: hehe.jpg (10KB, 320x220px) Image search: [Google]

10KB, 320x220px

>>130675975
> many men analyzed the cost/risk/benefit analysis
> relationships didn't come out as worth it in the equation
human beings aren't rational. no-one's mind works this way when actually confronted by real love. this is why people laugh at MGTOWs.

there's this great part in the documentary about Robert Crumb (it's called "Crumb", definitely check it out, he's great) where he's talking about how when he was a teenager he was saying "i don't need women, i'm not going to get married, women only date the bad boys", etc. and he recalls his father saying to him "Ha. You'll marry the first one who comes along."

And then he married the first one who came along.

This is what MGTOWs forget. The "rational" MGTOW mindset tricks people. When a MGTOW finally does meet a woman and falls in love, they'll still believe that they're a rational MGTOW and the woman they've met just happens to be the best woman alive on planet earth, and they'll fall even harder into the thing their whole worldview is about avoiding.

it's like pottey.

>>130676547
kikes lose lots of money if men stop taking skanks out on friday night

>>130667886

It's possible to be MGTOW and have a gf. You have to be willing to not take their shit and call them out whenever they get entitled.

>>130670287
go home alex you're drunk

>>130667886
>>>130667886
>Dont forget, MGTOW dont hate women.
>We simply just dont go along with gynocentrism. We hate the beta cucks who's only reproductive strategy is pandering to women.

Why do you need a reproductive strategy?

It sounds like you feel entitled to reproduce just because you are alive.

>>130676891
the patrice o neal philosophy

>>130671551
pretty much this
MGTOW has some good points but unironically NAWALT

>>130671270
That's the best way desu. We need more anal only women.

>>130671966
Fuck that, aim for a hottie then tame her.
>women are all whores and can't be tamed
Fuck off.

Mgtow is giving up and if you go mgtow solely because you think like op you are a pussy.

File: Woman shit 5.jpg (177KB, 1024x683px) Image search: [Google]

177KB, 1024x683px

>>130669371
Don't care what it is, if the "movement'' rejects women it's a good thing. It should still be a movement in the way that you need to educate other men about the toxic nature of women.

>>130672953
>0 whites is worse than 1/2
You don't deserve to wear that flag.

File: pol-meetup-in-ny-21439534.png (109KB, 500x441px) Image search: [Google]

109KB, 500x441px

>>130678613

>>130678136
True, fathers unfortunately dont do that anymore and young lads fall for the vaginal jew!

>>130676202
>>producing white children is unproductive and a waste of time.
>taking something i said out of context
>trying to shame them some more into producing white children is unproductive and a waste of time
for fucks sake
>>130676590
Too many bitter faggot virgins flock to MGTOW as justification for their failures and discredit what should be seen as a legitimate social problem. Real MGTOW don't constantly talk about it. You're probably right about most of them.

>>130676590
>real love
Anon. Go home. The "real love" you experience is a chemical reaction in your brain. It's primary function is to shut down a man's reasoning and rational so that he is willing to take care of a woman and her (his) children. Otherwise no man in history would make this tradeoff.

So in essence the MGTOW "rational" mindset isn't the one tricking anyone. It's the natural "real" love that tricks men into taking care of women.

Obviousely this is necesary for the continuation of the species and whatnot that's why it exists but rellying on instincts and emotions will most likely screw you over.

Also most MGTOW don't really care about good/bad women. The main problem is the society, marriage laws and family courts. Even a "good" woman can become a "bad" woman after you marry her and screw you over. MGTOW is mostly about avoiding getting destroyed in divorce/courts and not so much about saying that "all women are like that" because even if not all women are like that the system allows them to screw you over anytime they want and that's just not a rist I'm willing to take.

File: 1487102158507.png (1MB, 1057x947px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1057x947px

>>130678613

Picky fucking women are the reason humanity are the terra stompers that we are today. They select. You cannot be mad at them for when the offchance arises that fat out of shape incels like you get to procreate, it weakens the population. If you preach decimation of the weak then becometh it and maybe you will find salvation.

>>130677300
anal cunts are best cunts

>>130678136
wtf is this from

Could use some insight here. A couple weeks ago, I met the parents of a girl I'd relationship up if we had the right timing. I was in one while she was single, then I get single and she starts a new one and so forth

It was a social gathering and the folks just happened to be in town so they came along. Me and her parents really hit it off, more so her dad. Like I was the son he never had. He didn't really give much attention to the boyfriend and Im sure that got awkward after with the girl too

Gets time to leave and he's saying let's hang out again! Wondering if I should take him up on his offer?

Was this just a product of good personality and charm? Or was he secretly wishing he could switch up a possible future son in law?

>>130679615
He was hitting on you.

>>130667886
You MGTOW bitches give me so much joy. Thank God you will never reproduce. No women want you anyways you insufferable faggots. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. OH GOD IT'S SO FUCKING FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!

Sour Grapes....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oau4_P_eF0

File: 1488583648941.jpg (310KB, 726x1096px) Image search: [Google]

310KB, 726x1096px

JP just utterly annihilated and destroyed the MGTOW movement in his last lecture.

https://youtu.be/Ifi5KkXig3s?t=7340

He's only just beginning to show his power. The man is on a mission to save Western Civilization.


Reminder to stop being a little bitch playing the victim card and take responsibility for yourself.

>>130680536
>completely BTFO's MGTOW
>he's just a tradcuck using standard tradcuck arguments

>>130680871
If you think being a coward who checks out of life because "women are whores" is the answer you are a sad creature.

>>130681018
If you think using shaming on MGTOWs works you aren't very bright.

>>130667886
mgtow is just feminim for cucks.

>>130681142
All I feel for MGTOWs is pitty. They are deluded and their way of trying to find happiness is hopeless and doomed to failure.

MGTOW is good for starting life. Once you have a career started then look for a partner.

File: giphy.gif (1MB, 357x296px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 357x296px

>>130667886

Well stated OP

File: 116546465946.jpg (11KB, 221x228px) Image search: [Google]

11KB, 221x228px

>>130681305

>>130667886
This is the most petulant, faggoty post in 4chan history. I pray this is satire

>>130681305
And I won't feel pity if you ever get married and fuck yourself over because you wanted a woman in your life.

In the end there's no point fighting only trying to convice, MGTOW as a philosophy doesn't need might in numbers like other ideologies, the moment a person embraces it, he is "saved".

File: chemicals.png (203KB, 500x694px) Image search: [Google]

203KB, 500x694px

>>130679417
>The "real love" you experience is a chemical reaction in your brain.
so is every emotion you experience. this is a meaningless distinction.
>It's the natural "real" love that tricks men into taking care of women.
sure, I agree, but those with experience of love are better able to stay as rational as possible during it. those who falsely believe they are being rational about everything while actually being hopelessly in love are the most doomed.
go through the grinder of love a few times and your heart will be hard enough to see why people "date", "take it slow", or as you people put it "wimmin playin' games".
also pic v much related

File: 239626a1382637199-big.jpg (37KB, 500x500px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 500x500px

>>130667886
Oh fuck off. Women are just as essential as men for our survival. Go to /r9k/ if you can't see the value in your fellow sisters. You can be against unfair justice systems without hating the ones you're supposed to love.
Think of the wheat fields. find yourself a fair maiden and start making babies to support the war effort for the day of the rake and rope.

>>130682000
This is what I don't like about the MGTOW mentality. First they assume all women are evil bitches out to get them, second they never ever put any blame on themselves.

A marriage means sacrifices from both sides. And yeah you might get unlucky and it turns out you married a shebeast but even then you have a lot of power over making things work.

And it's important to know that by their very nature a women's attitude towards a man can change drastically as the man improves himself. That's what their wired to do.

MGOTW falls in the same pitfalls as Feminazis because it paints in too broad strokes and it never sees the fault in the self

>>130681305
>way of trying to find happiness

If you need another person, woman or otherwise to find happiness it is you who are lost, friend.

Sort yourself out and you can find happiness, joy and fulfillment with or without a woman around.

File: image.jpg (18KB, 250x220px) Image search: [Google]

18KB, 250x220px

I have enough money to have surrogate children
why the fuck would I get married?
MGTOW is the end of feminism
technology will eventually replace the womb altogether
then men can work, have superior kids and live a happy life without a woman

I tell every single man I know about MGTOW
each day more men are becoming aware

>>130682456
>If you need another person, woman or otherwise to find happiness it is you who are lost, friend.
If you think this is true, you're a retard. You don't know what happiness is until you've found yourself a partner you love and who loves you.

>>130667886
You don't get to choose whether you want to play the game. If you choose not to play, you lose by default.

Do I sleep with attractive 20yo women? Yes.
Does it require loads of effort? Somewhat, but I enjoy the process.

Slept with a girl last weekend. She was pretty hot, fairly fun to seduce, and not bad in bed.
Didn't ask for her number, and will see her out and about again.
Might sleep with her again, maybe not.
Doesn't really matter.

>>130667886
MGTOW is giving up. That said, girls only like outgoing and muscular guys. Shy and average guys don't get women.

>>130679054
They fall for all kind of effeminating lies when being raised by women and female teachers. Women are environmental poison, a man/boy must be raised by men at all times.

File: image.png (290KB, 1156x2031px) Image search: [Google]

290KB, 1156x2031px

>>130667886
You sound like a puss. Defeatism is weak.

When you go MGTOW, you commit suicide and don't pass along your genes.

Focus your energy on reforming the family courts so farhers have rights to their children

File: americapepe.png (327KB, 564x564px) Image search: [Google]

327KB, 564x564px

>>130667886
i have women i just dont marry them cause marriage laws are cuck

>>130682120
Most people who are in love/have been in love multiple times aren't rational at all. They don't realize why they are having this feeling and what's it's purpose.

>those who falsely believe they are being rational about everything while actually being hopelessly in love
I agree. It's also a danger for many TFL (through force lonlyness) style MGTOW. However many MGTOW aren't forced to stay single and have pleanty of experience of getting burned.

>>130672953
Thank god the white race is going to die, and there's nothing nazi LARPers can do about it.

>>130667886
Mgtow is the equivalent of taking home ownership advice from a homeless person or financial advice from a person millions in debt. MGTOW are losers and are comprised mostly by men that never breed, the 30% that historically never breed.

Now fuck off, genetic excrement.

>>130667977
fpbp

>>130683020
Something like 85% of men have children.

>>130682456
Are you literally retarded? Billions of years of evolution have made it so that your brain tells you that the pinnacle of happiness is sticking your dick in a pussy and having kids.

This is simple biological fact, anyone (man or woman) who says he can be happy without the opposite sex is flat out lying to himself.

>>130682910
You're not rational. All of your views stem from failure with the opposite sex. Ugly got his fee fees hurt and now thinks he's getting women back.
Very funny.

>>130683117
An estimated 30% of males in primate related species don't breed. What is your source?

File: Marriage.jpg (285KB, 648x1308px) Image search: [Google]

285KB, 648x1308px

>>130682851
It's crazy to sign up for a contract like this.

>>130682851
This. Made that mistake twice already, never again.

>>130683181
If mgtow is just virgins, then why do you you flock to these threads to shill your garbage ideology?

>>130667886
im sorry youve been treated by women in the way you describe. that is horrible, iknow the feel.
But on the whole it's still worth it to fuck the sluts. Plus now you know being nice to them doesnt get you alot

>>130683181
Kek you guys really can't argue for longer than 2 sentences without turning up the shaming. Let me tell you as well: It's. Not. Going. To. Work.

I don't even blame women for anything. It's weak cucks like yourself who gave them rights without the responsibility of having those rights.

>>130683316
U jus be a angri virgin exdee exdee

>>130683363
Its houmorous to laugh at the cognitive dissonance.

>>130683363
Because you faggots fill this board up with your garbage. And I'm tired of seeing your autism every time I come to shit post. What's my ideology?

>the chad
>fucked over one hundred women
>women like me
>don't have to pay for shit
>they pay for me because they feel empowered

You guys are just ugly uninteresting fags and/or creeps.

It's a good thing you won't try reproducing.

>>130682401
But why get in a contract that you know statisticly is going to failed two thirds of the time, when out of those it's ~70% (IIRC) initiated by women? I mean even if you have the best intentions to make the marriage work the risks are too high and it's will cost you half your shit.

I'm sure what you're saying is men need to bring something to the table and I agree, they should, but is it really comparable to what a woman brings? Men need to have financial security and status is preferable, looks are also up there.

But what does a man look for in woman: Is she good looking?

>>130667886
Cuckoldry was the norm in the earliest agricultural civilizations.
Using genetic techniques, it has been shown that for every 1 man that reproduced, 18 women reproduced.

This way only the best men get to pass on their genes, while the cucks provide resources for their offspring.
Hopefully, with tinder, camgirls, and VR porn, society will return to these ratios.

>>130683310
an Association of University
Professors, 87% of women and 81% of men reproduce.

"Eighty-seven percent of women become parents during their working
lives. 3
...
3. Jane Waldfogel, "The Effect of Children on Women’s Wages," American
Sociological Review 62 (1997): 209.

Similarly, 81 percent of men become fathers at some point in their
lives. See Nancy E. Dowd, Redefining Fatherhood (New York: New York
University Press, 2000)"

>>130683576
Neetsoc of course

Beta's that don't understand or know how to talk to women.

>>130683413
So when you say someone isn't rational it's an argument? But when someone else does it is? Reminder that nobody is fully rational, not even literal autists. That's not how humans are as biological creatures.
And MGTOW isn't a rational position, though it's adherents like to claim it is. Mgtow is an outgrowth of major levels of failure and butthurt. It's derived from pure emotional masterbation.

Find yourself an eastern european girl, they still have morals.

>>130667886
I was after my divorce. Still in my 30's and now I want to settle down again, maybe not marriage, but at least come home to a nice woman, bitch about my job and commute, watch some shitty program she likes, then sex and sleep. Just view it as having a pet, it's either this or a dog but I'd rather put my dick in a chick. I got over being a degenerate putting not dick in any chick that moves.

>>130667886
I'm laughing my ass of reading this. I'm married, got kids, happy as fuck.

I feel bad for you that you will never experience this.

Be a man, start a family and take care of them, that's your duty as a white man. Teach your kids morals and how to defend themselves. This is the only way the good in the world survives.

I'm learning German so I can find a country girl in Germany and import her to my farm. There's only one car and she doesn't know English so she's all mine

>>130683744
Nope.
Le save the white race faggots are just as autistic as mgtow.

File: IMG_0428.jpg (79KB, 854x327px) Image search: [Google]

79KB, 854x327px

>>130683613
Sorry to break it to you ahmed

>>130683876
It isn't *

>>130683310
you can look it up, it's based on dna studies.
primates have twice as many female ancestors than male ancestors.

>>130667977
Kek has spoken. Time for the c uck tows to go back to the tribe

>>130669935
Hey kneus, zeker nog nooit geneukt!

>>130667886
I'm 18 and young, is MGTOW any good? It seems they've got the modern Woman summed up pretty well.

>>130669872
Meh, I got out of that but I do pay child support. It fucking sucks, but my kids like and respect my white and my genes live on, worth it. Beat them at their own game, teach the younglings to fight smarter.

>>130675793
(((((((((((((((MGTOW)))))))))))))))

>>130683956
Some men can never have this. They are bottom of the barrel genetic stock and women can instinctively sense this. They don't want to breed with that. Most mgtow fall into this group. Especially the older ones.

>>130683876
I never claimed anyone was fully rational I don't know where you got that from. Also see 1st paragraph of >>130683413

>>130667886
Stop attracting those kind of women then dipshit. You are just as culpable in this.

>>130684176
No you have to get married for muh white chillens

Why would I bother to straight myself up and put up the act of "le big bad alpha brain force" when I can just enjoy my life and masturbate to VR sex-androids?

>>130683951

Meant my dick, fucking phone. I'm sleepy.

>>130667886
some one I'd still in the read pill rage. go look up turf Flinging Monkeys video about the grief cycle.

welcome to the club and hopefully you find you own way soon enough.

remember no need to rush.

>>130684244
There's literally nothing wrong with being Jewish

>>130667886
what you fags dont get, there is a trade off. if you want woman act like women, you need to act like man. sexism is two ways street. in turkey if bunch of guys catcall your qt you have to fight even if you know they will beat shit out of you otherwise she wil dumb you. if you avoid military service, you will hard time convincing a qt for marriage. she will think you are a coward. if you are neet, you cant get laid doesnt matter how good looking you are. men are supposed have jobs. you are a provider. no dutch treat here. you pay for for everything.

File: 1497878584828.jpg (150KB, 720x720px) Image search: [Google]

150KB, 720x720px

>>130667886
Mgtows are annoying. Always whining

>>130683613

this. life is good.

>>130684251
Good, bottom of the genetic barrel is supposed to die out.

I have no respect for whiny little shits who blame others for their problems.

>>130684176
No you fool, divorce does fucking suck, horrible shit, bit gotta have those white kids man, I don't want mine to be bored when they go on their own.

>>130684532
Just get a surrogate.

>>130672953
>0 whites is worse than 1/2 (nigger)
I'd have to disagree greatly on this point. If you can only racemix or no kids, always prefer no kids. Mongrels are a greater danger to the white race.
Fuck racemixing.

Rest of your post is fine though.

>help me open this jar OP

>help grab that thing OP

>protect me OP

>I LIKE BBC OP

>youre just a friend silly

File: 1497637739280.jpg (52KB, 290x521px) Image search: [Google]

52KB, 290x521px

>>130667886

>>130667886
b-but competition is the very stuff of life! If the sexes aren't battling, the socialists have already won!

>>130684532
How can you even think about having kids with a woman whos had lots of sex with other men though? What's the point?

>>130684428
The healthcare in America is fucked because of fear of niggers ruining everything, same with divorce courts. These laws are in place to punish nigs. Why do you think nearly all of the male nigs in the US are in jail? We'd be happier than you if we were nig free(TM)

>>130683613
Look, I was a Chad, it's fun and I needed it, but it's degenerate and creepy in your 30's. Just wrap it up and ease out of it. It also messes with your preception of relationships, so be careful. 30 plus is a good place to be of I could go back, after that it became a life style that consumed me.

>>130672953
NatSoc people are weak beta simps who would rather pointlessly gas millions of Jews instead of standing up to their own women. The Jews didn't cause this (ok they kind of did). It was weak simps giving into the demands of 1st wave feminism. The clock on rights needs to be turned back at least 100 years and you NatSoc people are too busy complaining about the J00s to solve the real cancer that is killing the west: egalitarianism.

>>130684824
What is the point of wanting an ignorant woman? Hard mode: no logical fallacies, including appeals to tradition or authority

>>130684893
>I was a Chad
>on 4chan
lmao

>>130673465
Because they use sex as a tool to get what they want. Men reject this, often to their own peril, by sticking their dick in another festering wound.

>>130684824
I do have kids already, I started young. Have kids and raise them not to be like that and besides, I can't judge, after my divorce I banged over 100. I also know if she's ready to settle down, I will say this, if she's been with a nig, them I'm out, that's just sick.

I don't man, marry young and figure it out of you want low numbers, we gotta reproduce and train them not to make our mistakes.

>>130684976
Why not replace women with a better alternative ? The rights are never going away, unless we go full Islam. Even then the Middle East is getting cucked too

File: 1494664370364.jpg (660KB, 1825x4361px) Image search: [Google]

660KB, 1825x4361px

>>130684991
The more dicks a woman has taken, the less likely she is to be a loyal partner. They're also more likely to be unhappy, and of course more likely to contract STDs.

File: 1318877091793.jpg (133KB, 400x505px) Image search: [Google]

133KB, 400x505px

God mgtows suck. Stop being a pathetic beta, find a women and assert your dominance. Women are followers. If you can't get a follower to follow you then kys. If you're stressing about an intact hymen, grow the fuck up. You're in the real world now bucko. Chicks are sexually active by 15. Sorry about your luck in highschool, but swearing off women is for faggots. Now stop making these manlet bait threads and clean your room.
The Dad Pill

>>130685035
Haha, believe what you want, again, I'm in my 30's and bored on my lunch break. Also, not a Chad any more, hence why on here and not looking for poon tonight. I hit the gym before work, I'm looking just to go home and get to bed early.

>finland

Meidän miehemme!

>>130685356
You are a beta in comparison to the state and social media

>>130667977
fpbp

sage in options field

>>130669774
you do know that a large part of going mgtow is to unironicly "Man up". due to a LOT of factors being alpha male is looked down upon,drugged out of boys and the role Completely filled by the state.

so for my generation (21) being a 1950 style man's man is something we should have started learning at 5-6 not 18-25.

mgtow is realizing what happens when you stick your hand on a hot stove and NOT DOING IT.

>>130680536
This guy takes way too long to get to the point.

>>130685356
Based burger.
What state you from pal?

>>130685239
They can keep most of the rights. I just don't want people that recieve welfare (mostly women) to be able to decide what happens to decide what happens with the tax dollars (mostly from men). Just restrain voting to net tax payers or something like that.

I mean women will eventually be replaced with artificial wombs and sex robots but I don't think it's going to happen in our lifetime. At least not the artificial womb (unfortunately the more important of the 2).

>>130685239
>The rights are never going away

You accuse mgtows of "giving up" (stupid, oversimplified argument) and yet you're giving up on the very traditions you claim to be loyal to by stating that they're impossible to restore.

This is why it's so difficult to take tradcucks seriously. You're not actually traditionalists, you're just beta provider LARPers that dress your pussy worship up in high minded virtues that you don't actually do anything at all to defend.

>>130685591
It is. In a democracy where women have the vote it's impossible to democratically take that right away.

>>130685298
>sources: social conservative media
Appeal to authority. Therefore, my rebuttal will be in the form of mockery.
>less likely she is to be a loyal partner
No, that's just because you're shit in bed and have an infantile concept of loyalty.
>They're also more likely to be unhappy
No, that's just because you're shit in life and have an infantile concept of marriage.
>and of course more likely to contract STDs.
Actually, the virginal ignoramuses you want to marry are the ones who don't know how not to get STDs and are too meek and scared.
Just go to Saudi and buy a de-roastie, you sad little manlet.

>>130685565
Oklahoma province, White Afghanistan

>>130685681
You're not going to change anything with democracy anyway. If you're still democracy pilled, you're bluepilled anyhow. Nothing at all is going to change without force, much less the feminist status quo.

>>130674747
The best thing whites can do is put their damn kids in school. I know so many people my age whose white parents could have gotten them educated but instead opted to get ripped off with timeshares and Ponzi scheme.

White boomers are what sunk our ship. We will swim to shore when they finally did and leave us something. Most will fail horribly though and whites will be a minority. It's just going to happen.

File: modernWomen_2016-.jpg (450KB, 1536x2048px) Image search: [Google]

450KB, 1536x2048px

>>130667886
MGTOW = Male Feminism (Mangina-ism)

>>130685356
>assert your dominance
You're a big part of the reason adult women are insufferable, you know.

>>130685736
>These studies are wrong because I don't like the results

Back to the kitchen with you, roastie.

>>130685566
Sexbots are already here, artificial wombs aren't needed as women can just act as surrogates

>>130685791
I completely agree actually. 1776 shall commence again.

>>130685229
>we gotta reproduce
Yeah, and that isn't happening though is it? Birth rate is through the floor, men are checking out, women are jumping from partner to partner. I'll be a minority in my City within the next 5 years and it's all the fault of the White race.

>>130685860
Someone got cucked by someone who doesn't sit down when they per

op is a jew. chads arent effeminate. if they were they wouldnt be chads

>>130667886
If by most you mean a tiny minority of losers who have terrible taste in women, then yes.

>>130685814
Thanks Satan. You seem like someone with good advice. I have been shamed by your superior (((masculinity)))

Ironically enough, MGTOW could find a common cause with Radfems.

Those bitches hate the prissy, entitled, fake feminist women whom MGTOW insist are destroying society.

>>130674747
>You are such a faggot

No reason to read this post or respond when you start like that.

>>130686228
Women aren't ruining society, pussy worshiping beta simps are. Women would be naked in the woods dying from animal bites and tooth infections if not for men. It is men who affect change and men who build, and also destroy.

>>130685908
87% of statistics are fake you stupid nigger. Whether they are or not, your premises are infantile, ridiculous, and most likely have no rational basis beyond childhood indoctrination. Now, get some statistics from a proper sociological study rather than a survey from people selling their perverted Sharia lifestyle, and maybe you'll be worth an argument.

>>130686071
Literally nothing of value will be lost when the USA is depopulated.

>>130686401
>Women would be naked in the woods dying from animal bites and tooth infections if not for men. It is men who affect change and men who build, and also destroy.
Shut the fuck up you half-dicked jew wannabe. Women were the fucking herbalists in pre-industrial society. Go back to /r9k/ all of you.

File: still not an argument.jpg (39KB, 231x306px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 231x306px

>>130686407
Not an argument.

>>130685860
Spotted the low test cuck.
Women Want to be dominated by men. It's a naturally occurring instinct.

>>130686509
>men literally built everything around me
>b-but women were good with leaves
Kek

>>130667886
How the fuck are you going to spread your DNA then? That's your fucking purpose in life.

>>130686854
That's not entirely true. Women want to be dominated by the right man. Otherwise you'll get labled "controlling".

h-h-help me on becoming a Chad. I'm losing weight i have a job and a girl likes me.

>>130686859
>he thinks getting married to a 30 year old roastie is the only way of producing children
You do know there are other options right? Such as surrogacy.

>>130671483
You seem rational. But you're probably young. Just be careful and don't make any big mistakes, like getting married, and you'll see the world differently with more experience.

Feminism is the root of this. Mgtow is only a symptom of this feminism disease. And a pretty damn rational one at that.

>>130686859
Artificial wombs or cloning
>>130685591
I'm not a traditionalist nor have I claimed to be.

>>130686859
Doubt I'll ever spread my genes in this modern cesspit. Better to die out desu. I'm not having my children live as a minority in their own lands.

>>130686544
>premises are infantile, ridiculous, and most likely have no rational basis beyond childhood indoctrination
This is absolutely an argument against your methodology and the relevance of your statistics, not least your "observation" that permanent relationships are the only valuable relationships. A woman who's had more sexual and romantic partners isn't going to be pleased with your lazy-ass entitlement complex, this is true. That's your problem, not theirs.
Americans are just fucking idiots.

>>130686854
>naturally occurring
No, it's just social programming. You're projecting your fantasies onto other people, which is what /r9k/ is for.

>>130686856
>built everything around me
So fucking what? You are and were 100% dispensable. Your accomplishments are irrelevant.

MGTWO has good ideas but too many people in it, seem to be +30 year old kissless virgins who are bitter as shit and hope for women to flock to them or crash and burn once feminism inevitably fails.

The right concept about it is, do your own thing and don't settle down until you're ready.
Or don't settle down at all in a place where you can be fucked over by the unfair justice system. Not everyone is meant to have kids or start a family anyways. You can be just as happy on your own.
Focus on building a career and self improvement, while not getting distracted by chasing pussy and wasting money in women.
That's a great message, but there's far too much anger and plain woman hating in that group and it makes the whole ideology look like it's being touted by angry neckbeards.
The channels at youtube also seem like they're negative as shit, in a sense that it's just griping about chicks and trying to assure yourself that you're the confident strong and capable man.
Sounds like a bunch of women looking for an empowering support group.
Just take the concept of self improvement and non distraction, then run with it. That's the proper way of doing this.
Not forming a growing group that only wallows in the hate for women and remains in that status quo.

>>130686859
If you want to spread your DNA, then go to a sperm bank and give them your seed.
Job done.
Besides who gives a shit about spreading your DNA.
There's enough people out there and in this world, government raises your kids, not the parents.

>>130687829
>your accomplishments are irrelevant
Written from a divice made and developed by men on a male made board on the male made internet.
Also spotted the roastie.

>>130672370

Are you sure you're not just desperate to prove how superior you are by shitting on mgtows?
Mgtow is not specifically about marriage. It's just about men putting themselves above things they are told they must subordinate themselves to; marriage, the state, women.
And every thread will be inundated with faggots like yourself who seem to have an irresistable need to condescend.
You ok bro?

>>130688116
Shit wrong flag.

Stop chasing the female equivalent of Chad. She will use you just as Chad uses his harem and why shouldn't she?

You're no better than the idiot women who do nothing to better themselves, yet spend all day bitching about how Chad never answers their calls.

>>130688116
>muh appeal to the iphone
If we didn't have them, we would have something else, and that doesn't matter.
Besides, that's all in the past. What are you doing for the world, right now?
>inb4 consuming corporate content on a corporate device

>>130687829
>No, it's just social programming. You're projecting your fantasies onto other people, which is what /r9k/ is for.
Never heard of epigetics, have you? Women have been dominated and protected by men for our entire evolutionary history. Domination by a male is literally part of every female fantasy in fiction. Of course, I don't mean by every make, but by men they find attractive. That instinct is even mirrored in marriage, wherein gives herself over to her husband completely.

Any woman that is half honest will admit this. The rare outliers that do not have this characteristic are the weirdos, carpet munchers (even then one of them acts like a man) , and dyke feminists that no man wants anyway.

I can tell you're part of one of these groups. Guessing you're a carpet muncher?

Daily reminder that mgtow is the ultimate master race and the majority of young women will never marry because they're stupid dumb whores who prefer to fuck 500 different guys in their 20s.

>>130688847
>woman
>honest/will admit

You anti-mgtow beta-servants realize it's not about avoiding reproduction, but crashing this society to a point we can re-assert ourselves ontop right?

Enjoy licking your whore's feet for now, she'll be taken by someone else when your frail body is left bleeding on the floor when things start collapsing.

>>130689425
Get out off the basement little boy, there's a beautiful world outside and you can be a part of it!

>>130687527
Defeatist attitude, you are a cancer to this world.

>>130689418
They are the most honest spill the beans people on the planet, under the right conditions. Such as after being fucked hard by a man they get wet thinking about.

>>130688847
>in fiction
Like I said, social programming.
>in marriage, wherein gives herself over to her husband completely.
Like you said, fiction. Like I said, social programming.
You're taking the words of dead old men as facts, which they are not.
>Any woman that is half honest will admit this
The human mind is much more adaptable than you presume it is. Though female-led societies are not exactly prevalent, that doesn't mean they can't flourish when delusional mancunts don't have the conviction of their imaginary landlord and the promise of resource piracy to motivate an all-out assault on them.
Be proud of your parasitism, jewlarper.
>carpet muncher
Hardwood floors are easier to keep clean.
>>130689978
>defeatist attitude
Avoid playing stupid games, avoid winning stupid prizes.

Don't delude yourselves goyim, you can't keep 'dem tingles going forever. Eventually she will cheat and branch swing, that's just what women do. In the past they were kept in line by tradition, family and society. We don't have any of that nowadays.

>>130667886
It's not that bad

>>130677296
>unironically NAWALT
>leaf

kek'd really hard anon.

I want /r9k/ to leave.

Just learn from the niggers and leave when you get a girl pregnant. Child support is good enough. Fuck that alimony and marriage bullshit. Be independant but fair

>>130690400
I want Sweden to leave. Can you take Leaf and all the other eurocucks with you while you are at it? Leave Finland though. Not that they'd leave you , you are cucked beyond help anyways.

File: sarahchalke.jpg (89KB, 1366x853px) Image search: [Google]

89KB, 1366x853px

>>130667886
>If she's even remotely attractive, then you can rest assured that the bitch has a boyfriend, and his name is Chad Chadley McChaderson
Serious question. How is MGTOW not an excuse for not being able to find an attractive, good woman?

Your post seems to describe gutter sluts and bar sloots. What about good conservative gals or even some of the religious ones?

I agree a good amount younger women in this day and age have ruined themselves as marriage material for a variety of reasons.

But as men, we need to find, lock down, and raise a family to carry on our legacy. MGTOW sounds great until your 40 years old curling up in bed alone, without your bestfriend (wife) to watch a movie with.

File: 1497910446740.jpg (81KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

81KB, 1280x720px

>>130690187
>Larping as a jew
>confederate flag

>>130690677
>the most cucked degenerate race mixed diverse shithole on Earth
Yeah you have no room to talk, you are virtually 0% White

>>130667977
>falling for the vaginal jew

Way to willingly get jewed you kike faggot

>>130667886
When you say "most men", you mean most 30+ kissless virgins right?

>>130670861
prenup?

>>130689425
3rd wave feminists are now reaching the age where they want husbands and children.

And suddenly come to realize... Wait, you mean I can't be 21 and beautiful forever with zero accountability for my word/ actions and legions of willing sperm donors at my disposal?

I'd honestly feel bad for them if they hadn't acted in such bad faith and behaved like such arrogant cunts.

>>130690677
Son I wouldn't have given a fuck no matter who said it, as I'm an individual and not my country, and since your insults are so tired and uncreative, but my god, you're fucking Brazilian. Sweden is Heaven compared to the latrine you call a country. You're probably a pathetic robot, too, so fuck off to the miserable little pity party you spend your broke ass on in order to escape the reality of who, what, and where you are.

>>130688556
Me as an individual or men in general?
Men are still maintaining the society. 95%+ of builders, electricians, plumbers, trash collectors and so on are men. Also the mayority of STEM scientists and engineers are men who are developing the world of tomorrow. The main purpose of woman has and always will be reporoduction. Until men have found a way to do that without women we are stuck taking care of them so they can birth the next generation of men (to drive civilization forward) and women (to produce the next generation).

If you're asking about me personally I'm just your average joe working his average paper pushing office job.

>>130691435
Swedebro delivering blow.

Much applaud from toothpaste

>>130690069
You haven't refuted one thing I've said, you ugly carpet munching hag. Biology comes first, meaning what you think is social programming is a product biology. This then interacts back with biology. Biology is supreme.

You're a biological abnormality, don't presume most women are like you. Most women want to be protected by men and feel a natural urge to be submissive to strong, tall, good looking men.

>>130690768
If everybody won the lottery wouldn't the world be a nice place anon? Except only a few do. If you want to bet your happiness on luck then go ahead. But I am more down to earth than that. I once thought that polishing myself was a way to meet good women like you mentioned , since they do exist (you are highly unlikely to find them though). So I worked out, mantained my personal appearence and I sure as hell am not a r9k cringe faggot like most people think you are for not getting a good woman. Can't say that I have been in the market for long enough but I have seen some shit in uni so far. The fastest way to understand God is dead is to send someone to hell. And for your last point, unhappiness is not an alternative to being lonely. Choose your poisons wisely. And that is precisely what MGTOW is about.

>>130690400
>I want /r9k/ to leave.
Literally forever.
>>130690768
>good conservative gals or even some of the religious ones?
Are you that desperate to have muh woman that you'll take a no-fun piece of work like them?
>muh marriage meme
Four-year-old girls grow out of that pretty princess stage, but /pol/ does not. Intredasting.
>>130691496
>Men are still maintaining the society. 95%+ of builders, electricians, plumbers, trash collectors and so on are men.
Is that due to merit or due to the fact that men are hostile to women in the trades?
>The main purpose of woman has and always will be reporoduction.
Who the fuck are you to decide what other people are for? Back to /r9k/ with you and your muh civilization game.

>>130691715
>lottery
dude, I see single cuties daily
you think a good loving woman is some mystical creature; maybe it is in Brasil
>>130691850
>no-fun
says who? and the "fun" ones are the sluts you hate
>marriage meme
so how do you plan to contribute to the white race? or will you just let down your family and be an embarrassment
If you're making 6 figures, have no debt, own property, and have sound investments then I won't judge you doing as you please but I am willing to bet you are struggling like the rest of us and are channeling it in the wrong direction

>>130681305
>>130681018
Found the Serbian

>>130667886
If MGTOW wouldn't exclude, actually finding a good wife, id consider myself going this path.

But as MGTOW is associated with living a completely asexual lifestyle and getting rid of any chance to find your happiness in founding a family, its just as degenerate, as fucking around like a bunny.

>>130691850
Men who are in trades actually love women who can do their trade. Provided she isn't shit at it.

>>130691850
You must be the shrill bitch with the blown out snatch that constantly posts all the anti-mgtow threads.
Fuck off cunt, mgtow is here to stay. Too bad you couldn't lock down one of the 1000 guys you slept with when you were younger.
That doesn't mean we are going to clean up your mess.

>>130682662
Women love opportunistically, never forget that.

>>130678136
that pic better be fake

>>130691680
>Biology comes first, meaning what you think is social programming is a product biology
>muh larp my fantasies about the ape world
Biology can be overridden. In fact, that's the whole point of narratives.
>You're a biological abnormality
You're a sociopath.
>don't presume most women are like you
Don't presume most women are like your projections. Also I'm male.
>Most women want to be protected by men
Keep telling yourself that if it helps you keep from being a 400lb slab of NEET shit.
>and feel a natural urge to be submissive to strong, tall, good looking men.
Clearly you are gay.

>>130691435
>robot
>projection
This is just you making your own case worse. My country is destroyed by its own people and you have us as an example not to follow, but instead chooses not to do anything and insist on making the same mistakes. Say what you may , but as the flames consume whatever is left of Sweden in the future as they did to my country, you will regret not doing anything. The same way most of your so called "Best countries to live in" will do. You created your own demons. And quoting Ben Shapiro "people have been in the 1% , and people have been out of the 1%". Or do you really believe as things are progressing right now that you will remain tall in your seat. But I digress. After all , the only reason I want all of you out is because you are without a doubt, the worst posters of this board.

>>130679615
do it, her bf must be a faggot and the dad wants a real man for his daughter

>>130692929
>the whole point of (((narratives)))
see, I can do it too

File: IMG_0346.jpg (49KB, 615x827px) Image search: [Google]

49KB, 615x827px

>>130691435
There's literally nothing wrong with being a robot

>>130692360
>no-fun
>says who? and the "fun" ones are the sluts you hate
Kek. Look at the poster ids nigger. Did you think this was a larp board or something?
>so how do you plan to contribute to the white race?
Fuck race. It's a social construct based on visual cues as indicators of kinship by genetics.
>or will you just let down your family and be an embarrassment
Fuck your pyramid scheme.
>struggling like the rest of us and are channeling it in the wrong direction
The right direction being to breed myself into slavery to the six-figure-"earning" master race?
Who let you out of /r9k/?

>>130692604
>Men who are in trades actually love women who can do their trade.
Actually this is 200% true. Women who can competently practice any of the trades, especially the ones I don't do, get me sprung.

>>130693410
>the whole point of (((narratives)))
See? Therefore fuck narratives, especially those that presume their own truth by appeal to something unrelated, like biology.

>>130693596
>There's literally nothing wrong with being a robot
Yes, on /r9k/. Goto and do not return.

>>130693216
Can I import you as a tranny? I'd like to own a brazilian tranny as property.

>>130669774
>instead of being a man who puts woman in line
Putting a woman in line means beating her will you make domestic violence legal to where i will not spend any time in a jail cell for it?

If not and if you are against the idea of domestic violence (real men do not use violence to keep women in line) then you are part of the problem as you are not helping.

File: IMG_0388.png (999KB, 1600x2844px) Image search: [Google]

999KB, 1600x2844px

>>130693704
So this /r9k/ is some sort of forum for those of a robotic composition?

>>130667977
fpbp

>but muh vaginal Jew
Fuck off you fucking losers. Nobody wants to hear your autistic rambling. Sorry you can't get laid but you don't have LARP that it's because of some noble ideological choice. It's because you're a fat, ugly, poor, basement dweller who posts on a Japanese Anime Forum about white supremacy and Nazism.

>>130694023
Correct.
>data ass

File: 1494717276345m.jpg (114KB, 1024x774px) Image search: [Google]

114KB, 1024x774px

>birth rates dropping like a rock
>"just man up and hand the resume to the manager sonny"
No, there has been generations of outright psychological warfare and forced chemical/hormonal imbalances being forced on us and if you can't see it yet the Resurrection will never manifest itself.

>>130693828
I call shotgun!

>>130693644
>i disagree so you must be a r9k loser
The thought of a good home away from big cities, with my wife and kids, a stable job I enjoy, with enough down time to fish and hike is what keeps fueling me through this degree and shitty jobs. Maybe it's a pipe dream but that's what keeps me from saying fuck it to everything. I'm not a kissless, jobless, virgin with no direction like those faggots.

File: IMG_0387.jpg (54KB, 640x480px) Image search: [Google]

54KB, 640x480px

>>130694082
>don't get your roast in a knot

>>130667886
More women and spoils of war for me.
I shall breed my own army, and drink my morning coffee from your beta skulls.
Fucking losers.

>>130694424
>muh roasties
The mating call of an incel permavirgin. Sorry Chang, white girls don't like Asian guys.

File: images.jpg (16KB, 288x175px) Image search: [Google]

16KB, 288x175px

>>130692929
>Also I'm male.
Haha, my god.
This you?
When is the last time you had a pity fuck from a women? I wouldn't be surprised if it was never. The majority of women are repulsed by you on a biological level because you lack universal masculine traits. Don't fucking lie mate, we both know you don't get any pussy and get kept around as a friend. While actual men like me fuck them.

File: 1494155883657.jpg (63KB, 250x323px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 250x323px

>>130667886
>being a virgin
>being a faggot
>being gay
>pretending to like traps because you know you have no chances with women
>being a MGTOW cuck

Kill yourselves you pathetic incel subhumans.

>>130694617
Nobody but desperate negros, fikifiki raffoogies who've never seen a women's face before and /pol/ nazi larpers

File: Jud-Suss-The-Film-That-Fueled-the-Holocaust-2.jpg (46KB, 300x438px) Image search: [Google]

46KB, 300x438px

>muh dick muh dick muh dick
I want all the Facebook niggers posting stale pepes to leave.

>>130694369
>The thought of a good home away from big cities, with my wife and kids, a stable job I enjoy, with enough down time to fish and hike is what keeps fueling me through this degree and shitty jobs
>muh faith-based life script
You're simply cucking yourself to the man. It is a pipe dream and you should be embarrassed for holding on to it instead of revolting.

>>130694688
Nope. Hipster faggots can go fuck themselves.
No pity fucks here. I prefer to get laid through being entertaining, amusing and interesting. It works.
>The majority of women are repulsed by you on a biological level because you lack universal masculine traits
>muh inventory
>muh majority
My God, you're pathetic.
>i don't get any pussy and get kept around as a friend
>thinks sticking his wee wee into a wet hole is some sort of accomplishment
Anglo women are just shit. I've simply had my fill of them, over 20 of them if you must know.

>>130695346
>instead of revolting
what does revolting look like?

>>130695521
It looks like having nothing left to lose. Throw away your pipe dreams and it will come to you.

What's the point of getting more alpha. It will save a few individuals but will declass some others. And it will make things worse. The red pill is for overanalysing beta autists real alphas don't need this shit and certainly don't shitpost on 4chan about muh womynz. Even if you're a r9k meme level Chad guess what your trophy sluts could find someone better than you everyday. Even elite athletes date cheating bitches what do you want to do ? Can't win against modern technology. What is there left right now even for high level men ? Putting your peepee in a lot of female poopoos for years and thinking you'll be a fine husband father at 35 with muh pure younger wife ? That's unrealistic. Importing a third world bitch ? Worst idea. Finding a traditional christian wife ? As if their numbers are enough to satisfy all the men wanting the same and it mostly doesn't exist. Every option seems ridiculous. Be an animal or get cucked or at least treated like shit with a sword above your head.

File: 1496781798474.jpg (2MB, 1210x6307px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1210x6307px

I was an MGTOW cuck until I saw this gem of wisdom a few months ago in a thread.

This screencap guide turned my entire life around. Now I'm in a stable and happy relationship and no longer feel the need to act like a tantrum throwing beta

I'll post part 2 in a moment

File: 1494720138364.jpg (44KB, 514x680px) Image search: [Google]

44KB, 514x680px

>>130695521
Apparently muh dicking like a nigger.
If these tools think they'll still get to enjoy their lives filled with plastic toys and plastic women they are delusional.
The rot is much deeper than "numales" or whatever boogeyman they chastise, the entire society is now backwards.

File: 1465588769055.png (59KB, 576x507px) Image search: [Google]

59KB, 576x507px

>>130696105
>>130696237
>Spiritism
>Ying yang mumbo jumbo
>Energies new age bullshit

>>130695346
Read your post wrong and I feel bad now.
Anyway this isn't about Chad or Stacy, it's about literal generations of subverting the motherly drive of women with birth control and a filthy popculture.
Birth rates are collapsing and that doesn't mean it's men's fault, men aren't the ones with wombs.

>>130692502
Why is that Serbian? I mean I agree with him, but I'm surprised we have that kind of reputation.

>>130683986
>year 2030
>merging of humans and technology is at its peak
>lifelike sex bots with artificial wombs and semen are now the norm for relationships
>eugenics allows us to make the perfect offsprings

The future looks wonderful

>>130672953
>You're the right wing version of catladies and I despise you
this is the funniest shit I've seen today. and I'm already in a hilariously pathetic and funny MGTOW thread