Why is coal good again?

You're a faggot for being a viewer of that fag show, you stupid faggot.
I'm not watching that gay ass shit.

>>130666751
Sorry link doesn't work through my bullshit filter

>>130666908
Facts are Facts, and it's a good show... limiting yourself to one side's news makes it impossible for you to form your own opinions

>>130667093
You don't need to watch a known shill to be informed you weak minded sissy.

>>130666751
Can you tell me how the process of creating steel works, anon?

>>130667244
I think you have a secret crush on John Oliver

>>130666751
he and piers should have a baby and throw it in the ocean.

>>130667338
nuh uh

>>130667093
>facts

John Oliver isn't a source. He's not reliable and he doesn't back up anything.

He's a fucking Brit trying to tell America what to do. He's like Piers Morgan except more retarded and his show viewership is declining.

I don't like John Oliver but we should be investing in Nuclear, not coal.

>>130667338
>3 posts
You're not shilling properly
Is the turnover rate at shareblue really that high?

>>130666751

I just saw a lot of bad jokes and tangents in place of substance

>>130667972
I never understood this argument. You do realize posts are thread specific right? In other words, if I were to post in another thread, I would have another ID unique to that thread.

Coal is cheap as fuck and a very reliable source of energy. We have a ton of coal here, so we might as well use it. Eventually, natural gas will take over. However, this illusion with solar/wind is ridiculous. Making solar panels produces too much pollution and required rare earth models. Wind is not reliable and maintaining wind turbines is not efficient. Nuclear is the best option on the long run, but liberals hate that too.

>>130668282
What about Trumps EPA guy claiming to create 50,000 jobs when only 1500 were actually created according to recently released bureau of labour statistics?

>>130668456
You're only supposed to make one post then close the thread to make another 1 post thread and so on

>>130667311
This dude knows what is up.

The vast majority of mined coal is bituminous.
This coal is used to make coke.

To make it, you need to BURN IT in a special furnace. If you're burning it to make coke, you can use it to boil water. If you can boil water, you can generate steam to spin a turbine and generate electricity.

Coke is used in the production of EVERY SINGLE KIND OF REFINED METAL, AND THE RECYCLING OF ALL METALS.

We NEED coal.
If we burn it in cleaner factories here, we get salable coke, fuel for forges and refineries, and ENERGY.

There's no reason not to do this.

It creates jobs, it stimulates production, it encourages trade, and it keeps America rich in usable metals (and recycling metal is the only recycling material that is a net profit).

>>130666751
Idk i just think its funny how much libtards hate coal lol

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>>130668456
He's cleary talking about the estimate for recovery in the industry and potential for people who had lost their jobs under Obama to regain them but of course John Oliver will say if Trump can't revive an entire industry in 6 months then he never will right?

>>130666751
Yeah because that faggot is obviously an expert on the subject

>>130666751
Shut up faggot! Anyone who watches that show is an imbecile (I'm talking to you Anon)

>>130668793
>idk I just like it when people smarter than me get angry lol

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>>130668793
>Idk i just think its funny how much libtards hate coal lol
It's not just coal, they self-destruct 48 times a day over the most minute shit. I've been having a blast since Trump took office. Every fucking day is Christmas.
Even on here. Shills come everyday, and get BTFO every day. There's no such thing as slide threads anymore because red pills are found everywhere.
GOD FUCKING BLESS THIS TIMELINE.
>pic related. It's liberals every fucking day for the next 8 years unless they an hero or actually push a war they're guaranteed to lose.

>>130667093
>facts are facts
But he's not stating facts.

Libs whine about coal

OK we can do Nuclear power i guess
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>130666751

The left still reads "The road to Wigan Pier" by George Orwell written in 1937 and thinks it's an accurate description of the modern coal mining industry.

Stop listening to uneducated foreigners making comedy jokes about your economy, retard.

>>130669158
>#wearedumbledoresarmy
>#resist
>#impeach
>#hillarywastoointelligenttowin

>>130666751
we don't need coal anymore tho, we should go full nuclear

>John Oliver delivered a segment that basically blasts X, debunks Y Z claims, and utterly destroys Q.
spot the problem.

answer: the problem is that you are watching a comedian for information

he's right but the fact that you need to cite him is a moral wrong on your part. the moral man leading the good life does not cite comedians as sources.

>>130669415
They don't read anything but harry potter from what I've seen. People call themselves socialists but never even read any of the literature and propaganda for it

>>130669776
Coke production

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>>130666751

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>call out tax schemes
>call Trump tax cheat
>set up irrevocable trust to hide Manhattan property buy
>use same tax dodge as Trump
>be John Oliver
>be a massive hypocrite

https://www.google.com/amp/observer.com/2017/05/john-oliver-property-tax-scam-trump/amp/

>>130670072
if we fueled enough people with coke to run in giant hamsterwheels we could actually turn coke into electricity

>>130666751
Coal is the only rock you can hit a nigger with and it not leave a mark.

>>130666751
Who?

>>130666751
Use a little coal in the fire and gives a good flavor to the BBQ.

>>130667093
He has no facts. It's worthless opinions stated as fact

>>130668796
Aka lying and making shit up?
Retarded trump bitch.

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>>130666751
Coal is safe and plentiful. Nuclear power is dangerous and (((green))) energy is a scam. Nobody ever got cancer from coal.

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>>130666751
Nigger coal built america and people died to mine it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

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>>130669444
>>130669344
KEKS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

>>130666751
>Selling majority of coal to China and other countries producing Steel, cut out NK coal and cut their funding
>Literally live in a state where they just opened a coal mine

We still need coal, and the demand isn't going down because you want it to. We still have industries to run while other ones are made.

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>>130670980
Nice

>stop using a material that's necessary in nearly all of heavy industry
>stop using a material that can cheaply be made into plastic
>stop using a material that can cheaply refine crude metals
What did leftshits mean by this?

>>130668355
>Nuclear is the best option on the long run
Maybe not with the "demographic" changes we're going through. Too hard to keep fuel and waste from wandering off.

>>130666751
It is the largest abundance of resource in America. Why abandon something so cheap and so powerful? I fuels China's entire economy.

Oliver was wrong in the things he said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya6ggm7TXPI

Murry proved better but his best argument was the fact that retail stores are going out of business and it's somehow Trump's fault.

Oliver uses Trump tax loopholes. Murry thinks Wikileaks is the enemy of the people. You can see why I don't care for their opinions.

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>>130671588
The lefties want to continue using nuclear power. There will be another disaster soon and it will be even bigger than Fukushima. Never Trust the Nuclear Devil.

>>130671810
It can be safe if we invest in LFTR-style nuclear research, not some shit-tier nuclear from the 60's

>>130671872
>>130671225
Is that the current map?
I thought the bombed the hell out of it with concrete mix?

>>130671289
No, your grandpa mined coal, but not for money. Because it was the quickest way he could turn himself black because he was a nigger lover.

>>130666751
>John Oliver
GET OUT

>>130671225
>Coal is safe
aren't there thousands of people who die every year because of coal?

>>130666751
>Why is coal good again?
because drumfy said so

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>get outcompeted by nuclear/solar/wind
>cry to big daddy guburmunt so you can have your meaningless job

And these cucks are the one who are against `welfare state` and handouts, top fucking kek.

If you need state protection to maintain your job, you don't deserve it in the first place.

>>130672039
Look bottom right. Height in cm (that's centimetres you yardfoot retard). That's a map showing effects of a tsunami and the waves it produced going to S.A.
Fucking illiterate yankee.

>>130668312
It's clearly a newfag ledditor who doesn't know how 4chan works.

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>>130672467

>>130666908
It was on jewtube trending. Can't blame someone for wanting to see if the BS was true.
>>130668762
It's almost like the dems WANT us to get fucked.
>>130669161
Civil war? I would enjoy killing shitlibs 500 different ways.
>>130670001
Sometimes they read The Hunger Games. Something about "women empowerment" and "feminist hero".
>>130671119
Romania? Come on, Your better than that. Stick with hardwood and smokers.
>>130671225
>cancer from coal
Google what you say before you post. Also, Nuclear is the future. Just need to refine the process and filter out the idiots.As in, the ones who put a reactor in a tsunami zone/earthquake prone area.
>>130671588
"We want to be like glorious African civilizations before the evil white man ruined it"
>>130672467
Out competed when hampered with regulations designed to destroy you when the others are boosted with subsidies that don't care if you even profit? No wonder solar/wind is winning.It must be better.

>>130667093
Kys fag

>>130672769
>Romania? Come on, Your better than that. Stick with hardwood and smokers.
I use 90% hard wood.
I don't smoke it though.

>>130666751
>First New Coal Mine of Trump Era Opens in Pennsylvania
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/10/new-coal-mine-donald-trump-pennsylvania-fossil-fuels-regulations
Why do you do this to yourself op?

>>130672680
>>130672769
Hi CIDF,

if coal can compete in a free market then you petition the gov to stop subsidies, not to protect your job.

Again it is very ironic to see small guburmunt conservatives crying to big daddy guburmunt to keep their jobs, similar to boomers chimping out about their medicare

socialism is good when it suits you I guess, Thank Comrade Trump for protecting the coal workers.

fucking blue collars, automation cannot come soon enough.

>>130672769
>A consistent body of evidence shows that individuals exposed to smoke from biomass and coal fires in the home have an elevated risk of lung cancer.
Biomass =anything organic
Thorium-based nuclear power?

>>130667093
>John Oliver
>Facts

Post a summary and I'll work to explain things to you. I'm not watching this insufferable twat.

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>>130666751
Coal is good because it turns Pennsylvania blue

>>130672105
You know Obama supported clean burning coal technology. Until he wasn't anymore.

>>130672482
>Argentine Intellectual
>doesn't realize I'm calling him out for not using current maps
good one
>>130672769
You may get your chance if they don't simmer down. Since March 1st, Gun stock has been skyrocketing, specifically Sturm, Ruger, Co.
That usually only happens when someone is expecting one of two things. A ban or a perceived threat. Homeland US isn't real concerned with illegals or ISIS as much as they are with extreme leftism that's been on the rise. They truly are idiots.

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>Mocks Oliver for lacking facts
>Can't produce counter-facts
>Proceeds to meme instead

>>130672954
>90% hard wood
And the other 10% would be coal? Still not confortable with the possible contamination good sir.
>>130673233
I was being sarcastic. What I meant to say was that coal has been hampered in such a way to try to kill it slowly and that "green energy" has been supported even if it is ineffective at producing power or can't even turn a profit.
>>130673366
I thought that was a meme?
>>130673695
If they don't simmer down? Gonna call it here, they won't be able to do much more than block streets a-la ferguson.
>>130673878
Wanna know why solar and wind can't provide? Too unreliable and fluxes a lot. Look at Germany for an example of this.

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>>130674233
>If they don't simmer down? Gonna call it here, they won't be able to do much more than block streets a-la ferguson.
And shoot representatives. They also shot at legislatures.They've been calling for violence and haven't stopped. It's more escalated than the WE WUZ KANGS minority.
>Wanna know why solar and wind can't provide? Too unreliable and fluxes a lot. Look at Germany for an example of this.
It's more of the fact that it's extremely cost inefficient. It takes several people working in Solar( and even more in Wind) to compete with one person working in oil and ng.

>>130668456
>What about Trumps EPA guy claiming to create 50,000 jobs when only 1500 were actually created according to recently released bureau of labour statistics?

Well paying industrial jobs have a much higher economic multiplier than low wage service jobs. Those 1500 jobs (so far) support engineering and consulting jobs, heavy equipment manufacturing jobs, mechanic jobs, and jobs in downstream industries like refining, tool manufacturing, and auto production. They create transportation industry jobs. We even get carbon fiber for things like wind turbines and high-end bicycles from coal.

They also support plenty of local service jobs in restaurant, retail and entertainment.

Low wage service industries just don't provide the same level of broad economic stimulation that heavy industry does.

Weird to me that the people who seem to hate coal the worst don't usually live anywhere within 300 miles of a coal mine.

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>>130666751
>John Oliver

>>130668762
All coal fired power plants by law have to have scrubbers. Scrubbers capture harmful gases and particles. What comes out of the smoke stacks is water vapor with trace elements. Coal is perfectly fine

https://www.duke-energy.com/our-company/environment/air-quality/sulfur-dioxide-scrubbers

>>130666751
>>130667093
>>130667338
>tfw HBO advertises on /pol/
MMOOODDSSS

Who am I kidding, they are here to make sure the advertisers can keep threads up.

>>130668312
OG Oldfag detected

>>130668312
newfag redditor confusing the common slide thread epithet
>1 post by id
which indicates the OP just dumped the thread and left.

>>130666751
You mean he does literally none of these things, and talks about an industry he has zero knowledge of for a political agenda.

Sage. Coal's coming back.

>>130674612
Surprises happen. After all, "green energy" companies are trying to make larger profits and more power. Even if people can make it economical, the inconsistency is too much to be the main source of power.Perhaps a support for the average house,but not for a whole nation.
Also, the murder libs are the minority in the "whity out now" group. However, Riots will defiantly happen. Should I invest in a few M-80's?
>>130675102
Now to make the scrubbers scrub harder.

>>130666751
>coal is shit
>lets allow other countries to increase their use of coal and pay them to do it!
liberals are next level stupid and they know they are.

Its about redistribution of wealth, which Trump explained in his speech about the Paris Accord. Of course you faggots didn't watch it.

>>130671194
>Low-information kike
>HUUUU HUUUUU HUUUUUU ECONOMICS MUST BE 3RD GRADE OR I DON'T WANNA LISTEN HUUUU HUUUU

This is why your country is going to be a glass crater when Iran finally gets around to nuking up.

>>130673233
The best part of those power fluxes is that they have to fire up coal plants when the "unlimited" green energy suddenly becomes limited.

>>130666751

coal will never go away, even after liberal cry babies like oliver finally succumb to using nuclear.

>>130667093
>limiting yourself to one side's news makes it impossible for you to form your own opinions

you should just reread your own post over and over again

>>130672467
>get outcompeted
Nope. Coal had to deal with crushing regulations and solar/wind both got massive subsidies and are STILL pathetic non-industries. Coal is, by far, our cheapest readily available energy source and it hasn't even been a major pollutant in years.

There's a multi-billion dollar solar plant in California that is burning natural gas to fill its quota. You're so fucking low information that you believed shills when they told you that SOLAR is the fucking future? Nigger with a hard R please. Don't talk about what you don't know.

>>130666751
Decreased relience on the Middle East for oil and boosts American economy.

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>>130673233
>it is very ironic
Not really. You're just a low information retard whose side lost embarrassingly and painfully, and now you're struggling around on the ground trying to find your shattered teeth while mumbling some classist nonsense.

You lost. Don't try and make excuses for your shit failed industries, faggot, and don't move the blame on us for pounding Obama's kike regulations into dust.

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>>130675852
>M-80
>pic related is more disorienting
>http://www.enolagaye.com/
Last time Antifa used smoke, it disoriented them and Trumpers mobbed the fuck out of them for being stupid.

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>>130676149

Coal is not forever.

Like oil, it will run out(Or at least become so depleted it isn't a viable source).

>>130672154
Live without metal than you uneducated retard.

>>130667093
>only watches one show and defends it religiously
>tells other people to watch more than one show and that no show is perfect

So which is it?

>>130673878
This thread is filled with counter facts. Have you read them?

>>130666751

First: anything John Oliver has to say intrinsically has his left-wing bias weaved all the way through it.

Second: John Oliver is a cunt.

>>130666751
The average miners salary is over 40 grand per year in the US. Keep in mind that in those parts of the country that is often all there is. Add in over time and a man with only a high school education (or less) can live a decent life vs. flipping burgers (a teenagers job) for nothing. Take the mines away and what do those places have? No factories, no tech jobs, nothing.
Do some basic research you faggot. Coal mining pays well most places. Oliver is a British comedian playing reporter trying to tell us how to live. Go blow him more if you don't like mining jobs
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Miner/Hourly_Rate

>>130675868
>liberals are next level stupid and they know they are.

John Oliver uses laughter and 'jokes' to grease the skids for his propaganda. It's a bit overkill for his soft-headed college dropout audience.

He's quite an insidious bastard.

>>130676502
Let's make radical changes now for an event that will happen in 300 years

>>130677587

Should probably watch the video since Oliver discusses pretty much everything you brought up. Coal jobs ain't coming back and the more you stick your finger in your ear and pretend by dumping money into coal companies that this is going to change the worse these communities will be.

>the coal history museum in Kentucky runs on solar energy

You can't write this shit.

Eventually, the human race will burn up every last piece of wood, lump of coal, and drop of oil.

We will eat every animal, bird, and fish, and destroy all airable land.

Get over it, and enjoy it while you can.

>>130678291

He's talking bollocks, then. Here in the UK, coal makes up 1/5th of all our power generated and makes $1.5 billion per year. In the US, it's 1/3rd of your power and makes you $4.5 billion per year.

Coal isn't a dying industry, it's just one the leftist media refuses to acknowledge any more.

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Crowder the cuckservative debunked 'Ol Ollies claims desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya6ggm7TXPI

>>130676493
Massive smoke grenades then? Should I make them pepper scented?
>>130679382
Better than 2 scoops and saggy tits.

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>>130671872
>>130671959

That is a Tsunami wave height map, you halfwits.

>>130678291
>Coal jobs aren't coming back
A new mine just opened in Pennsylvania. More mining companies are talking about opening new mines in the US. If coal jobs weren't coming back new mines wouldn't open. So that's incorrect.
Sure coal is nonrenewable but, solar and wind can't produce enough electricity. And no doubt the musuem in Kentucky did solar for tax reasons.
And coal is not a dieing industry despite claims. If it was why would we still be mining coal? Why would other countries mine coal? It's because you HAVE to have it for electricity. Solar and wind are great but they won't power US let alone the world. You like a constant flow of electricity instead of intermittent right? That's because of coal. Andthe musem in Kentucky more than likely used solar for tax reasons, just like everyone else.

>>130679493
> Should I make them pepper scented?
Only if it's ghost pepper scented.
That would end the blizzard of snowflakes real quick.

>>130680123\
>ghost pepper scented
I think I'll stick with Carolina Reaper instead. Stuff is 2x as hot. Gonna need to find a way to grow some though.
"Feel the Bern 2017"

>>130680006
>Tax reasons no doubt
>No source for back up
>Better repeat it so no one questions it

Good coal goy..

>>130680672
buy it dried online. takes a massive amount of work out of it

John Oliver's handlers are the ones shilling the government for more money for 'green energy' (inefficient solar panels that will be replaced by better solar panels in 5-10 years, and 500 windmills)

>>130666751
Rehost it if you're going to post it here, you shill

>>130666751
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=424_1497964971

The main reason to get rid of coal is to cripple the Midwest until all the people die or move away and the property can be bought up. There's a lot of coal in the US and even oil in the Midwest but if the plebs knew that they wouldn't sell off their property

>>130680006
Some jobs have added, but coal is getting killed by natural gas anyway. Most of that coal is because of increase in steel production.

>>130680856
I thought of that until I found a 7 dollar kit to grow some. BTW I live in CA so weather for growing hopefully won't be a problem.
>>130681204
Two birds one stone with coal. So why not use it when it's underneath our feet ready for the taking?

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>>130679314
It's been dying for decades.

>>130681412
Because it's not nearly as efficient as natural gas.There's a reason it's been declining since the 80's.

black pidgeon speaks will put it into gaymans terms for you, if ypu honestly believe that importing coal from china rather than producing it yoirself is better, then ((they)) have got to you

>>130681172
If there was anything valuable in the dirt they would've bought the land by now. That's what they did with shale in Pennsylvania.

>>130681699
Dude, China is never going to export coal. They have to import a ton of it from Australia. Coal isn't doing well because the US has a ton of shale gas.

>>130680735
Here's a source for the mine since you didnt look it up. http://insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/56330
Sorry for the repeat I hit copy instead of cut and made a few changes. Didn't read over my post.
And with the musem I don't have a source saying they did it for this reason but that would be a stupid thing to say. Why would you switch to solar otherwise? It's great PR because you can use the "we're green" meme and you get tax deductions for being eco friendly. But you aren't going to say that because that would be bad PR.
However the musem doesn't take away from the fact that a new mine just opened. And of course we and other countries still use coal for electricity so it's not dead. Now natural gas is cheaper but it will go up in price and not everyone in the world has natural gas. And where do they go for electricity? Coal. And why can't it be American coal? You see my point correct? Coal is going to be a thing whether America does it or not, so why don't we do it and then Americans can have more decent paying jobs? Are you against that idea?

>>130666751

Coal will never boom again. Moving towards Solar Nuclear or wind is not a bad thing but coal mines should be taken care of

>>130682009
Coal is always going to be a thing because it still has some uses industry, but it's never going to be as big as it was. And it's just going to keep declining, whether the government does anything or not.

>>130681489

>>130682362
in industry*

>>130681204
>Most of that coal is because of increase in steel production.
Yup. That seemed to be the Bannon-plan.

>>130682418
Yeah, but that isn't really sustainable

>>130669955
Name a single genuine reason why a comedian shouldn't be cited?
If anything, it's best for comedians to be the ones spreading information because then that information is spread quicker and more efficiently.

>>130682524
It is if we enter a trade war with China,
and all signs say we're going to go into a massive war,
in one form or another, with Russia/China

>>130682701
Trump already backed off of China though and Russia irrelevant to US coal and steel.

Coal sucks, we need more nuclear.

A thorium reactor would eternally BTFO every climate change spook.

>>130683261
This. But leftists are retarded and don't understand how nuclear works.

>>130666751
They don't, they will use ad hom to attempt to discredit the host but none of them will dispute the science because:
1. They can't understand it
2. They can't disprove it
3. They didn't watch the video

>>130682844
>Trump already backed off of China though and Russia irrelevant to US coal and steel.
Not really. He's just taking on too many things at once, he's obviously an amateur in politics and hasn't acclimated himself, yet. I think it's obvious anyways.
But he hasn't "backed off" China, especially if he wants to make the US competitive on a international scale. It'll ramp up, there's no alternative. China produces a fuckton of metal and raw material. I don't think I need to explain the value of the US producing it's own raw materials.
Russia is also another major producer of raw materials and petroleum. That's why all the world powers are present in the Middle East, although you never hear about China's involvement. There's also China's expansion into allied controlled waters.
This is no where near over, and we haven't even finished the 6th month mark for Trump.

>>130683261
Seconded anon.
Nuclear is the true power source. Coal will run out and solar/wind can't replace it. Nuclear is better in everyway over all other forms

>>130666751
>John Oliver
Stopped reading there

>>130666751
The 76,000 number is a slight under estimate but only relates to the miners themselves and not the industry itself. As he says, some towns are central to the coal industry meaning that virtually all of the jobs in those towns are a product of the coal Industry, this makes It hard to get an accurate figure for how many jobs it is responsible for by it is a massive under statement to say that it is 76,000. The segment does nothing that you claimed it to and was very un-funny and cringy.

>>130666751
http://www.flashdrivesforfreedom.org/

>>130666751

Coal isn't bad and it isn't the devil. Coal is useful and necessary.

Relative to the rhetoric of the Obama administration, it's good.

>>130683473
He's completely stopped his China rhetoric. Heck, he slapped tariffs on Canada before China. I'm pretty sure he's stopped fro the time being with the trade war stuff.

>>130666751

Wow this thread triggered Trumpcucks hard. Get REKT faggots.

Hah.

>>130683522
> Coal will run out
m8 - we could literally run the entire world on coal at the current energy consumption rate for the next 2000 years. The reason why we don't mine coal anymore in the UK is very simple - there's just so much of the fucking stuff globally that the market is too saturated. Australia itself is just one giant coal mine, and there's eye watering amounts of the stuff India and China.

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>>130666751
>no new coal mining jobs
https://archive.fo/RVo8n
https://archive.is/SBp0n
https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf

>trump doesn't care about the environment
no he probably doesn't, but that's besides the point. people voted for trump to save the economy and put america first, not to save the environment.

>Obama killed the coal industry
https://archive.is/nI04s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpTIhyMa-Nw

>>130683691
Buta it's twooenty feefteen?

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>>130684093
>wow, trumpsters BTFO the OP and triggered him. Better follow alinsky tactics and say they were the ones triggered!

>>130666751
It fucking baffles me how a man who grow up during the 80's in the UK can make the bold assertion that getting rid of coal mining jobs will have zero impact on wider society.

The UK is still living with the effects of the coal industry collapsing, and there are sections of the North that will likely never recover from the collapse.

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>>130684343
There is over 10,000 years worth of coal in the US alone. The Earth replenishes it over time too, so there is no risk of us ever running out. Nuclear power is too dangerous.

>>130684608
Fusion power is safe though

>>130666751
Cheapest and most abundant and easily utilized fuel source in human existence.

Here's a thought, if you wanted to destroy the US, what would be the best and most effective thing to target?

Cheap abundant energy

>>130684608
>Dangerous

Go back to Berkeley you fucking hippie.

>>130684608
Nuclear causes less deaths than coal dude.

>>130666751
It's good because you send all the poor and uneducated "people" to work there and die an untimely death

>>130684720
Natural gas is cheaper these days. Natural gas has been replacing coal.

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>>130684793
Try telling that to the people of Chernobyl and Fukushima.

>>130685012
Oh yeah I'll just fart in your furnace and that'll keep you warm all winter.

Fucking brainlets.

>>130683973
> fro the time being
You could say that, but N Korea also released a brain dead American after torturing him.
The kid was a moron and likely deserved what he got (insert story about the scorpion and the frog), but he was still an American. China is pivotal to that, not to mention all the bullshit they're doing as well (influencing Hollywood, buying US land, contributing to superpacs, etc.)

At this point in time, we can synthesise oil from coal. The only reason why we don't reopen mines, is because of the Jews. Where's the oil found? Middle East. So keeping the world hooked to oil, keeps the world hooked to Middle East affairs, where Jews reign. If we were to move back to coal, the USA and Europe would be self sufficient in energy.

Look at all the anti-coal advocates - Jews. All of them.

>>130685082
You think coal power plants don't blow up? Stop being a fucking retard. More people die from the smog it causes alone than Fukushima and Chernobyl combined 10 times over.

>>130685082
>two isolated incident where safety regulations were not followed because of Japanese corporate culture or because the people in the soviet union were idiots are representative of all nuclear plants.

>>130668355
el negro

>>130685167
Are you retarded? Who's the fucking brainlet here? No one uses fucking coal to heat their homes anymore.

>>130666751

It's not that coal is "good," it's that the coal industry can survive without massive government handouts unlike wind/solar/etc.

>>130666751
why is Trump so likable and liberals try to demonize him for it while being incredibly unlikable themselves?

>>130667311
>>130668762
>>130675102
Was going to post these. Glad you guys saved me time.

Also, as a chemist, I'll add-
Coal tar and the vast quantity of organic molecules available in coal.

Leftists, who never understand science OR manufacturing, need to just shut the fuck up.

>>130685403
This. Syngas and come are king. Just need a green way to heat the furnaces and pressurize the engines of synthesis.

>>130685403
If coal is so awesome.

Then how come there is no market for it?
Why will it need hundreds of billions of government subsidies to survive as an industry?

>>130685403
Coal has it's uses and it will never completely go away for the reasons that have been mentioned, but it'll never be nearly as big as it was with the ability to support a huge chunk of America.

>>130669161
I agree. The lulz are continious. Trump always getting btfo. MAGA lulz. It's fucking hillarious!

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>>130685673
EVERY industry tries to get gibs.
It's the inevitable result of the government offering gibs in the first place. If you want gibs to stop, stop offering them. Otherwise, shut the fuck up. You ask for it and you do NOT get to complain when it happens.

>>130684343
I'm aware there is a significant amount of coal left. If there wasn't we would have more to worry about then "what about the environment man". Coal is pretty clean now and there is as you said alot of it. I am simply saying I think nuclear is, ultimately, the way to go.

>>130667093
>it's a good show
>they don't list their sources
>often their sources are from (((media))) like MSNBC

>>130685867
It will when oil and gas cost more to extract than the energy they can produce is worth. Unless you retards get smart and switch to nuke power. The only other viable source of power for modern civilization.

National Coal Association estimated that the coal industry directly and indirectly employs around 1.5 million people in 1994.

In 2013, there were 80,209 people employed in coal mining in the U.S.

Singh & Fehrs' 2001 analysis of Energy Information Administration data suggested that about 60,000 jobs in operations & maintenance are due to the coal industry in America.

Another of their estimates suggests that that coal transportation employed 30,757 workers in 1995.

In September 2011, the National Mining Association issued a press release stating that potentially 1.24 million jobs in 36 states had been destroyed by the Sierra Club’s “Beyond Coal” campaign aimed at stopping construction of new coal-based power plants.

The toxics rule would create between 81,000 and 101,000 jobs in the pollution abatement and control industry

In recent years coal exports and coal related jobs have been up in the U.S. and the trend appears to continue.

80,209 +
60,000 +
30,757 +
(81,000 + 101,000)/2 =
261,966 direct jobs not accounting for the trend of the industry icreasing, other aspects of the industry or indirect jobs. You see coal towns but do you see JCPenny's towns?

>>130686259
I'm pro-nuclear, but cheap natural gas is here to stay for the foreseeable future.

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>>130669158
>smarter
>wrong all the time

>>130684608
> cuckservativez want to back to coal.
>Typical Trump supporter.
MAGA lulz.
It's a joke,.... and it's fucking hilarious

>>130686405
+ (((John Oliver))) is one ugly kike.

>>130666751
Coal is good because it is a cost effective way to store and transport energy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density

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>>130671872
>2017
>against nuclear
>advocating coal

>>130666751
>debunks Trumps job claims
Politifact isn't a creditable source.

>>130686422
As long as your mother keeps eating mcdonalds, natural gas is here to stay, but the question is, do we want it?

Sure it's a cheap and easy fuel source but think about the smell that your neighbors are subjected to. Think of the pollution contained within her colon as it's released into the atmosphere.

>>130686422
>but cheap natural gas is here to stay for the foreseeable future
Only with the help of fracking. But the leftists are, of course, attacking that as well.
You see, the more environut regs you put into something, the more expensive it becomes.
Now you can have it one of two ways. Very clean but very expensive living, or very cheap/dirty living.

>>130677976
I know you said that sarcastically but yeah we should be making changes now, we need to slowly move towards renewable energy while we are still not suffering from an energy crisis

>>130667093
Not giving that faggot a view you can explain yourself

>>130686915
True. It's why I despise them for attacking nuclear. NY banned fracking, but at least other states aren't that stupid.

>>130670072
>Coke production
Byproduct of the oil industry. The heavy ends (coke) are sold to China which burns it for fuel because they don't care about the sulfur emissions.

The metal industry has integral sulfur extraction as part of their process so they don't mind petroleum coke. However the Anthracite in the US and Canada is still sufficient for metal production and is slightly cheaper than petroleum coke.

>>130666751
Coal does not put out any pollutants. Its strictly co2, which is only plant food. You and Oliver are complete morons.

BURN THE COAL

PAY THE TOLL

>>130666751
Coal>wood so we burn coal to save our trees. Its not rocket science.

>>130687111
every form of renewable energy is inefficient
photovoltaics cost too much, require rare and toxic minerals to produce, and are inefficient
wind turbines don't run at top efficiency ever and kill birds, plus there's very few areas where they work well
hydroelectric can't be expanded due to it being saturated in most areas, but has always been one of the best renewable energy sources

Why is coal good?
>Cheap and easy to strip mine.

Why is coal bad?
>soot, but because of regulations that has been reduced to a minimum

Why are you all afraid of cheap energy?

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>>130687495
This. Coal is the safest power source out there. It's actually good for the environment.

>>130666751
Oliver is hated by his own people and should be deported back there for them to deal with.

>>130681489
>coal industry on recovery
>obama kills it

>>130684608
Safety energy source in use; 'Too dangerous".

>>130685289
Maybe you should get out of the city you black asshole.

>>130685082
>Try telling that to the people of Chernobyl and Fukushima.
Less than 70 deaths. Most of which came from Soviet retardation. Fun fact the Chernobyl power plant operated the other 3 reactors until the early 90s.

1 Death from a worker dying of a heat attack from Fukushima. While 17,000 died from the Earthquake, and 500 from heat stroke when the grid was disrupted and AC was out.

>>130685673
>Then how come there is no market for it?
>Why will it need hundreds of billions of government subsidies to survive as an industry?

Source for hundreds of billions in subsidies? Nature of those subsidies?

~

Town wants a large industrial producer to setup in the city. Offer to reduce city property taxes by 50% for 10 years. Is that a subsidy?

>>130666751
I will do it without making fun of him, once he presents an argument without making fun of Trump

>>130685673

Pretty sure every energy industry gets some form of gib in the billions

>>130688625
That smarmy asshat actually begged Trump to run for POTUS. Careful what you wish for jackass.

>>130687270
Cuomo the homo strikes again

>>130670980
Love it!

>>130671225
Np great loss. It's only the left coast.

I hope they all turn into wombats

>>130675682
>>Coal's coming back.
After obama broke their back? It will take one hell on and investment in personnel and infrastructure to fix what the former Mutt-of-the-White-Hut broke; then there is no guarantee that the next liberal loser administration won't break it again.

>>130676177
Liar.

>>130667677
Second

>>130686405
This is one of the most confusing analysis I have ever read. You are using numbers collected decades apart. You are counting jobs that attempt to combat the negative effects of coal as coal jobs.(police + drug dealers = cartels good for economy ).

Coal is going to continue the major trend. A decline in the rate of decline is not a comeback.

I feel bad for people in the coal industry. Especially those without transferable skills. They make a good living in one of the last well paying blue collar industries. It makes sense that they would want those jobs to stay around, especially as these types of industry encouraged generational employment. If your father was a respectable coal miner and you are a coal miner, it is likely that your son is just starting his career in coal. If coal is no longer there to give your son a good job than your son will be very unlikely to enjoy the same quality of life in another low skill job especially without leaving the area. Coal is a way of life for hundreds of thousands of people.

We cannot save coal, but we can save these hard working men.

For every town the government kills because of coal regulations it should ensure the quick transition of the employed population to a new more economically viable area/industry.

>>130688482
Its a handout. Its favorable tax treatment. Its crony capitalism.

But its not a subsidy. That's specifically a cash transfer to an entity with the altruistic goal of the donor being accomplished by the entity.

t. Econ grad student.

>>130685386
Nah. Coal costs more per kw/h of energy than renewables nowadays; it's not the 70s any more where it took covering the entire roof of the White House in solar panels to light a couple of bulbs in the Oval Office.

Coal is dying because it's dirty, it's expensive, and nobody wants it any more. Renewables are taking off because they're the opposite. It's the Invisible Hand of the Free Market working right in front of everyone's eyes.

>>130690791
I want to point out that this person is not sincere in their arguments. Please do not reply to them.

>>130690791
You know whats dirty,expensive and nobody really wants anymore? More people yet governments wont stop this overpopulation of the earth. Coal wouldn't be such a problem if we didnt have to care for billions of useless eaters.

>>130690791
Coal isn't dirty or expensive

It's literally the cheapest and most abundant energy source on earth

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>>130680006
Here is what happened to one coal company, no thanks to the former Mutt-in-the-White-Hut and his liberal whack job followers.
It's hard to make a comeback when that happens.
Confidence in the sector is low, so investment will be low.

>>130680672
>>I think I'll stick with Carolina Reaper instead.
Carolina Reaper is a habanero offshoot

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>>130666751
Coal means cheap reliable energy. Civilization depends on cheap reliable energy. Why is John Oliver anti civilization?

>>130666751
John Oliver is a simple minded fucksickle degenerate clamdodger who needs to be ovened pronto

>Why is coal good?

Because fuck the Jews, that's why.

Enjoy your ZOG global Utopia on the surface of Venus, kikes.

/pol/ has always been anti-coal pro-nuclear and pro-alternatives. t_d retards can continue being literal and figurative coalburners.

>>130666751
Obama slashed 83,000 coal jobs in his term. Clean coal was on the rise. What Obama did was close american coal mines, and then brokered deals with other countries to buy their coal. We still burn coal for power. That will not change.

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>>130691983
maple flavoured cuck is worst cuck

>>130671588
Global wealth redistribution. Their purpose is to slow down our economy while boosting their chosen countries. It is global socialism. Mine more coal.
MINE BABY MINE!

>>130692166
Hitler was a massive environmentalist. Protecting nature and your natural resources is important and should be a top priority for any nationalist.

>>130666751
This retarded cunt John Oliver looks like he couldnt win a fight - cant take that google wearing weak fatass serious to ge honest. We should put him into the oven and eradicate his weak genes

>>130666751
>why is the source of over half of America's electricity good?

>>130671872
>Lefties
>Want nuclear power

If this were true, it would mean they have an intelligent opinion on an issue. Instead, Harry Reid and his ilk strangled American nuclear power a decade ago by refusing to open Yucca mountain.

>>130667677
This man speaks the truth

>>130670209
/thread

>>130692639
Ok lets have more fukashimas. Lets consider that nuclear options are cleaner but, we know the waste is toxic.

>>130680006
Three or four smaller mines opening back up around me. Fathers getting off UE and back to work. They aren't asking for government help, just don't want gov. strangling their industry.

>>130692423
If you have to burn coal, then you want to burn American coal. It's better for the environment. Leaf coal is Bituminous coal, nasty to mine, nasty to transport, very dirty to burn. Oh our's is cheaper, cleaner, and we have a shit ton of it.

>>130693309
Not to mention the high cost of shipping across the globe versus a few hundred miles on a train

>>130693508
Well China buys tons of Candida's shit coal, they would love to have a supply of clean burning cheap coal.

>>130666751
>Comedians and talking puppets always bitch about coal and how it has to go.
>Says nothing when the coal mines goes and nobody even attempts to replace it with a single job.

Gee wiz, its almost as if killing the only industry a town has with no replacement leads to the decay of regions!
or in other words.
>Why is meth so profitable.

>>130693179
>hurr nuclear leads to chernobyl and fukushima
Yeah, if we ignore the reality that both those plants were poorly built or poorly staffed.

>>130679314
That's a really small contribution to UK/US economies given their respective sizes.

>>130666751
We have lots of it!

>>130667093
>John Oliver
>Facts
>Good show

Get out kike.

>>130694818
Don't believe that Brit cunt, his show is all lies and clever presentation. Professional lier

>>130666751
>literally no arguments
Just making fun of Trump for goofing around at his rally, making fun of towns for taking pride in their livelihood, making fun of a CEO for caring about his workers and for having a funny accent and mannerisms. What exactly did the redcoat prove here? If anything he's just proving that there is a real agenda to undermine American industry. His """punchlines""" are just mocking the fact that blue collar Americans want their livelihood back. The facts are that the federal government via the EPA has systematically strangled the coal industry. The left is mad because Trump lifting the restrictions is going to prove how much the government has been suffocating our own industry and unnecessarily driving up energy costs.

>>130667093
found the redditor

>>130696676
Nobody needed to strangle the coal industry, it's just dead because coal is dirty, inefficient, and unnecessarily expensive to prop up compared to natural gas, even moreso compared to renewables that the entire civilized world is shifting towards

>>130698073
>coal is dirty
crack a book sometime

>>130698073
>flag
Technology for coal has increased massively. Its much cleaner and efficient than it used to be and theres enough to power the entire US for 1000 years. But why are you so afraid to let it compete? If it was really a dying industry it wouldn't need to have loads of EPA restrictions that prevent the industry from doing anything. Free the industry and we'll see what happens. Im betting that the left's narrative against coal is going to blown out of the water. Just a couple weeks ago the first coal mine was opened in about a decade just because Trump is lifting restrictions

>>130666751
Solar and wind are only successful when propped up by monstrous sums of government money and when government regulation is wielded like a club against fossil fuel industries.

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>>130666751
Show me how you suck a guy's cock

>>130666751

Goodbye reddit

>>130668456
>labour
You make a great point fellow American

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>muh coal jobs

>>130693918
And you think they will build more expensive better nuclear plants? Ohhhh muhh profits...... get a clue id rather have a lil more coal and alot less radiation that has a life of thousands of years.

>>130687495
CO2 is a pollutant you fucking moron. Sure it's "plant food", but when you have one dude sitting at a table in a restaurant and the waiter brings out all of the food contained in the kitchen and puts it on his plate, it isn't reasonable for you to think he'll eat all of it, and the stuff leftover will rot and smell and destroy the restaurant.

>>130704539

yeah sure its just 99,999999% of life on earth has thrived with higher co2 levels than we do now but ok everyone is gonna die right?

>>130666751
Wind/solar is a meme shilled by the oil industry.

Nuclear is the only realistic option for carbon-free energy, but thanks to anti-nuclear propaganda by the oil industry we've done fuck all for developing new reactors in the last several decades.

What we need to do is move towards domestic coal/gas/oil in the short term. That will provide cheap energy as well as put pressure on foreign states who rely on oil exports.
The cheap energy will give a boost to the economy, which we can use to invest in developing next generation fission reactors for the mid to long term future.
Fusion is an option too, but it's still a long ways off compared to Gen IV fission reactors.

Unfortunately Trump hasn't indicated much if any push towards fission development, but his move towards domestic coal is a start.

>>130698073
>renewables
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>130676177
Nope.

>>130676412
Silly child.

>>130666751
>Why is the free market good again?
Literally the question.

>>130677379
All I've seen are emotional outbursts.

>>130692537
Because its dangerous work that is slowly replacing people with robots to the point that cubic ton percoalshill has never been this high ever along with the output. aka with less peeps we get more coal. There are no jobs to save or any rules needing to be changed. Coal power is on the way out. Stop beating a dead horse. Either way miners will lose jobs.

>>130707455
You commies are really embracing this tumblr automation meme. You have any idea how expensive machines are? It's all well and good when you can't stand them in a line under a factory roof, but something that requires mobility and working in semi toxic conditions? Kek. Much easier to pay some guy $7 an hour

Few of us care about coal and recognize its a voting block trump was targeting.

There is no way coal can compete with natural gas. Its too cheap and abundant and easily transportable.

>>130702589
Great comparison... has Arby's been strangled to the point of collapse by regulations and nonstop liberal sperging?

>>130666751
It's because it's the big oil companies funding a lot of climate change research, this is fact. They do this to ensure that the results show that it's coal industry that's the problem, and not big oil.

>>130707455
>it's getting easier and easier to get coal through automation
>coal is dying as an industry
whoa.....
so this......
is the power..............
of commienomics

>>130707455
meanwhile factories and mines are opening all around the world
but not in north america, theres just too much robots to even think of it!
you slimy kike

>>130666751
The only thing he blasted was a report from the EPA. The rest were just out of place potshots and poorly timed jokes.
At least he showed the other side where coal jobs are important for communities and really high paying which is why losing them is bad...

>>130708151
No but JC pennies are currently strangeling themselves and are still emplyoing more people than the US coal industry.

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>>130667093
>John Oliver
>facts
>good show

we should be retraining the coal workers to do other jobs in the energy industry, not removing regulations or subsidizing a dying industry

i am pro trump but this coal focus is wrong

>>130707455
Yes we have automated coal mining. I personally have family still buried in mines. Those machines require workers to maintain them. The machines are built by people for the coal industry. The railways that move the coal are maintained by people. The coal power plants have people maintaining them. All the industries spur off restaurants and other businesses that service the industry. Construction workers build homes for people that work in the industry. Where are the jobs?

>>130667093
My numbers say the odds of you dying in a nigger dick today.

>>130709186
>years of liberal policies have absolutely decimated the coal industry, cutting coal related jobs by 90%
>durr hey guise coalz don't employ no ones in 2017! Sooo stupid XDXDXD

Also where do you think solar panels come from? They don't appear out of thin air you know. It's an extremely toxic manufacturing and mining process to get the elements required for solar panels, much worse environmental havoc than any carbon based operation

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150402-the-worst-place-on-earth

>>130667093

it's not a good show

it's a rotten teeth limey reading a script

What th fuck is 4 chan

>>130666751
>John Oliver
But regardless, riddle me this - why can't we use both until coal industry is dead and the solar or whatever industry is on proper footing, unlike now where it's a big load of nothing?

>>130710903
I know what 4chan is, but never heard of 4 chan. Please describe this place you call "4 chan" to me, tripfag

>>130708142
>>130710102
Ignoring the concern shilling, running a whole country's power grid on one particular energy source is moronic, diversified energy sources are needed. I'm more concerned with energy independence and giving people jobs than the merits of coal. And this 'retraining' meme is soft-brained, the countless articles I've read about 'why don't we retrain 40 year old coal miners to become white collar software developers' has no grounding in reality and is so idiotic that it doesn't even warrant a proper counter argument

>>130667093
>Comedy show
>News

Jesus Christ, is this really why Liberals are so fucking retarded? I thought it was a joke that they got their news from Comedy Central.

>>130707333
Read gooder nigger

To be truly redpilled you should be pro-coal and pro-nuclear and pro-solar and pro-wind.
If not then you're a turd nugget who should be ignored.

>>130668355
Coal is also needed for steel production.
This is why Chinese steel is so cheap since they dont have any regulations to make coal expensive.

Burn the coal
Pay the toll

>>130710331
Correct solar is a scam. Wind is a scam as well.

>>130666751
Fuck John Oliver, Fuck Comedians, and Fuck shills for pushing SJW agendas & narratives on this board....

Energy is energy. Coal is dirty. Wind mills kill birds. Nukes irradiate the shit outta stuff when they melt, dams fuck up whole eco systems......you don't magically get something for nothing......

There is no such thing as utopia or anything close to it.......

>>130702589
False equivalence.
Coal is good paying industry with benefits, and it has a whole umbrella of support jobs that go along with it.

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>>130666751
Have none of you seen Steven Crowder's rebuttal to this.
https://youtu.be/ya6ggm7TXPI

>>130666751
Everyone who appears on the fcc's bandwidth needs to bow down at least twice

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>>130670515
>https://www.google.com/amp/observer.com/2017/05/john-oliver-property-tax-scam-trump/amp/
(you) being sexy
>>130668456
and OP was never seen again...
Sad.

>>130666751
it's not just the US you fag youre border sharing cuck country Canadahar needs the oil, coal and steel jobs back. We'd had mostly just the oil for the last twenty years. Help your neighbor cuck

>>130668355
The reason coal is cheap is because there are no financial penalties from polluting the air

>>130702451
underrated post, great catch

>>130666751
It's not. I hate Jews and niggers, but I care about the environment. When will a politician come up who cares about MY needs.

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>>130666751

>John Oliver

Stopped reading there, since you're getting your "news" from comedians, you're fucking retarded and deserve no further interaction.

>>130667587
Lol, how does he not back up anything? Have you even seen the show, you dumb cunt?

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>>130666751
It is cheap. We do not have to spend even more money to build new plants. Everyone benefits from low energy prices including businesses that make jobs!

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>>130666751
Louder with crowder explkains it pretty good, ill recap for you.

So first off, solar and wind is VERY unreliable, and is tax subsidised way too much : its far more expensive because of this.

Second, coal being used less was because obama put in choking legislation to crush the coal industry

Third, we will have to rely LESS on saudi arabia, and can make american jobs.