Alcohol

>>130664122
Whiskey is /our guy/ just have some self restraint.

>>130664122
you just have to keep telling yourself that you are tired of it. Replace it with something productive like exercise

>>130664122
I used GHB for 3 months, after that, just quit ghb.

>>130664122
Same with you, after i quit university.

>>130664122
Go to an aa meeting. If that doesn't scare you straight, you'll just have to enjoy the ride to rock bottom.

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NA ZDROWIE!

>>130665938
i've gone to them before, i stop for a little but then comes a weekend and im drinking again.

from weekends it transitions into nightly.

>>130665599
but thats probably even harder to quit

If you're going to drink, make sure to do an hour of cardio the following day. Eventually you'll figure out that drinking more than 1-2 days a week simply isn't worth it. It's what keeps me sober during the work week.

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>>130664122

There's nothing wrong with a little bourbon here and there anon. Just remember this -- only niggers have no self restraint. Drink in moderation.

>>130664122
Let me just break that down for you, because I think I have actual info you can use.

Buy 2 - 3 liters of GHB, costs around 300EU. I don't know how much it costs in US. Your dealer should have around 2 liter supply if he's small time.

Use it daily after 6, so no day drinking. Do not mix with alcohol. You will get the same feeling kind of like alcohol, so you will be having sex with your gf or masturbating a lot at night. Make sure you don't mix it with stimulants and if you feel sleepy, just sit down and stop drinking it.

Continue this same routine you're doing with alcohol. You will notice you will have less side-effects than with alcohol and you will really like this.

Your vision of life kind of changes and other things start interest you. You will probably find a goal, which is totally different than what you wanted when you were an alcoholic.

Your personality changes in a good way, you start thinking about more morally right stuff instead of degenerecy and destruction.

Quitting GHB is a neccessity, this is far easier than alcohol, because you get less euphoria than alcohol, the need for GHB is less.

Try to not take GHB at all, this is more routinebased, and it's kinda different than alcohol because your mentality is less destructive and more constructive.

You will experience a bit of forgetfulness within these 3 months, but they'll fade after 2 days of abstinence from GHB.

Step 1: Make a commitment to only have one drink before bed

Step 2: Stick to your commitment

Step 3: Enjoy alcohol like a responsible adult for the rest of your life

I'm not even being glib, I was a huge mess with drink after university until I realized that the problem was how I approached it. Drink was something I needed to have around constantly or else I felt like shit was going to go off the rails. I engaged in all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify my excess and built drinking responsibly into this mental dragon, and the fear of how terrible I might have felt provided a justification for ignoring how terrible I actually felt.

Anyway, it's not only possible, it's a lot easier than you think. Exercise more if you get anxious.

just smoke weed idiot

>>130666079
Then you should consider getting a sponsor and working the steps.

>>130664122
I used this to get off opiates and coke and smokes
www.smartrecovery.org
It's a secular science based method to treating Maladaptive Behaviors (addiction) and a free online anonymous support group w/ online meetings.

>>130664122
as with all vices, key is to keep yourself busy

You are talking about it like you have no way of controlling yourself.
>wake up
>walk to the store against you own will
>go to the booze isle
>reluctantly stretch out your hand and grab a bottle
>some evil force pushes you to the counter, takes out your wallet and forces you to pay
>you go home
>open bottle against your own will
>drink bottle because there is no way to stop it from happening

Dude. Just don't fucking drink.

>>130666361
After that, when you drink alcohol, you will notice the hangover is a total bitch. And just to give you a bit of motivation. You feel this hangover every day right now, but you're so used to it, you don't know how it feels to be sober.

>>130664122
If you can kick it smoke weed. I drink a lot less when I puff and it puts me in a much better place than the booze does

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>>130666079
Ya? So? I have a mixed drink or a beer every night.. I'm not trying to get plastered...??

In the frontier days when the water couldn't be trusted, children had to drink the table beer (2.5%) for dinner as well!

>>130664122
I started to lift seriously and i didn't want to piss all my gains away during the friday night. Now i stopped lifting seriously but since i rarely drank for a long time i don't have a desire to drink.

I went through a couple-year period that consisted of drinking alcohol or smoking weed for long periods of time. I'd go maybe 5 months drinking beer and then 6 months of smoking weed. where I'd either binge weed or alcohol for long periods of time. Whenever I quit one substance, I took up another.

Eventually I started hating myself even more because the substances wouldn't give me any escape like they use to it. That's the worse part. At that point, gun in hand, you make a decision to join reality or exit.

>>130664122
Don't be a pussy, everyone knows they have to drink.

>>130666543
Weed has a long aftereffect that sober people know. You feel fuzzy for 1,5 day afterwards. Trust me on the GHB part, it's out of ur system within 5 hours, marijuana is in your body for a month.

>>130666502
Stop watching porn, stop doing a routine you've been doing for 6 years. It's not like you think it is.

>>130666757
>beer and weed made me want to commit suicide
that's pathetic desu. were your parents really overbearing or something?

>>130666385
No, to quit alcohol, you really need to sober up for a month or so. Your thoughts become different bro. Alcoholics need at least 1 - 3 months of abstinence.

>>130666757
Yes, there's a hole somewhere in your head. It needs to get filled up. You need at least a period of 1 - 3 months of sobering up to solve these stuff sober.

>>130666931
>A fucking toothpaste tells an alcoholic how he has been drinking for 6years

that's so fucking cute, now get the fuck out of here.

>>130664122
Put some weekly limits like you party only in Fridays and Saturdays.

>>130664122
Alcohol dramatic lowers testosterone. You are becoming a weak, little bitch

First of all when quitting something you need something else to do and find what's your triggers. What do you usually do when you're drinking in the day? Listen to certain music? Don't listen to that music. Go on /pol/? Then don't go on pol. Whatever it is you dobwhen you drink don't do that thing.
Secondly pick a designated day to stop. When you're drinking that last bottle tell yourself it's you last one. Savour it. Enjoy it. Make it a goodbye drink. Alcohol can become a very addictive substance.

I had a friend who was an alcoholic he became physically dependent. He tried to stop and he had a fit.

If your drinking is a habit now and not an addiction, it's beat to stop before it becomes a physical addiction because then you're gonna need rehab and perhaps the help of doctors to stop. In America that's gonna cost you some money.

Another thing that may help is when youd usually stop, put that money in a jar and watch it add up. When you When that jar at the end of the week you're gonna see exactly how much money you were pissing up the wall. But ideally quit whilst it's still habit and you're not physically dependent.

Could you perhaps be using alcohol as a crutch? It might be worth trying to see WHY you're drinking so heavily.

alcoholics anonymous may be helpful for you too. Speaking to others and hearing how they've managed may help. I know it's not a substance but my mum had a gambling problem for many years. When she visited gamblers anonymous she kicked it for good. Best of luck anon.

>>130664122
stop drinking alcohol, restart smoking weed monderatly, and insert meditation into your anus, keep it there forever.

>>130664122
Stop for a period of time. If a week is all you can do in the beginning, stop for a week. It's easier to do something short term. Focus each day on not drinking and just tell yourself its temporary and you push yourself for just one week. You can do it if you decide to do it.

>>130667033

Yeah I forgot to mention that, I did 6 months cold turkey to drop my tolerance before I went to a new routine. Thanks for the correction aquafresh.

>>130667169
>An alcoholic fin, tells a sober toothpaste how drinking is a part of life.

>>130666361
>euphoria from alcohol

Never understood this. Alcohol it literally the most boring recreational drug.

>>130664122
ayahuasca can set you free

don't need to keep taking , purge and move on to green pastures

>>130667194
"One study in particular is rather alarming, since it showed a 50% reduction in testicle size in rats who were fed a diet with 5% of calories coming from ethanol."

>>130666643
This I have 1-2 glasses of red wine every night or 2-3 beers. I don't see a problem with this.

>>130667352
Is ayahuasca use taboo to normies like various other drugs in your country?

>>130667253
Yes this is all true, but it works the other way around. The feeling you get to combine these activities with a substance is the downfall for most people trying to quit. You need to either switch the substance that's easier to quit or become sober after which other stuff become more important.

>>130667021
forget about the weed, I was moreso getting at how it'd just be a temporary escape from alcohol.

but while I was indeed a pathetic sap it's not the substances that caused it. it was my own life choices. alcohol was just something I discovered at a young age that could relieve stress. it eventually got to a point though that drinking alcohol didn't allow me to escape, which was a troublesome time.

>>130667194
False

Red wine actually increases your test, in moderation.

>>130667337
alcohol dosage is not that easy.

>>130667194
Underrated

>>130667337
It's the perfect social lubricant. For some reason, being more social gives you more euphoria when drinking. This is what I've noticed.

>>130667555
Sure thing bud, whatever you need to tell yourself.

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>>130667325
Well, yes.

>>130667505
Don't listen to this, psychedelics are a one time self-fullfilling prophecy drug. They don't fix bad habits.

>mfw on day 6 of no alcohol
just distract yourself all day and get addicted to that good nights sleep you get from no alcohol, after like 2 days its easy as fuck because you dont wanna ruin your sleep

also remember: if you have no self control, you are no better than a woman or a nigger.

>>130667520
Also using loss and social shame works very well. Have a friend place a few hundred dollars in trust and I you have a drink you will have to donate that money to a good cause such as Shuva Israel Yeshiva or the Jewish National Fund. This will help keep you on track

>>130667555
Nice trips but OP is not drinking in moderation

>>130667744
trips>dubs

>>130667744
It does. That's why I get honey as fuck when I drink it

Beer and liquor make me practically impotent though.

>>130667757
Do whatever you want, some people just wanna quit the habit that makes you an inconsiderate, destructive prick in every conversation.

>>130667797
this.
also, get to an animal shelter, go for a walk with the dogs.

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No one likes a quitter. Cheers

>>130664122
>how do you stop drinking alcohol,

Stop buying it you fucking cuck.

You can't drink what you don't have.

>>130664122
What do you mean by day drinking? Like in the morning hahah? If you have nothing to do that day I dont see a problem in drinking after noon. However if you find drinking is getting in the way of you getting shit done then yeah you need to cut down. I have had the same problem off and on through out my life. As long as your not drunk driving or drinking at work.

>>130666931
I stopped smoking after a good 4 years. Sure you get cravings and whatnot, but the bottom line is. You CAN always quit. The question is whether you WANT to quit.

I'd quit drinking alcohol and just smoke weed desu

>>130666931
>I have no self-control
>therefore NOBODY has any self-control! EVERYONE is a victim! FOREVER!!!

No, you're just a weak piece of shit.

>>130667687
Maybe I just find it boring because I'm somewhat asocial then.

>>130664122
just stop drinking. nobody is forcing the booze into your mouth, dude. that's all you.

>>130667833
Yeah kek, might work, but the person might isolate themselves in solitude. The most effective is sobering up and looking back at killing mace windu on their knees and sighing out: "what have I done?".

>>130665122
This. No joke. Stick to weekends only - and try to eventually go to every-other weekend.

>>130668083
I'll force something into your mouth :)

I just imagine a snake taking a bath in my whiskey glass, and let that image wash around in my brain for a while. Helps me moderate - it makes resisting another glass akin to keeping a snake at bay.

>>130668017
If someone is drinking, it's not just the substance. Smoking is a different story. Drinking is psychoactive, so something needs to get processed which is delayed. This can only be done by sobering up and looking back.

>>130668081
Yes, it's probably because IQ=125.

>>130668314
>>130668390
>ill just respond to every single post in the thread

>>130668450
Gimme a break, I quit drinking so I'm bored as fuck for like 4 months.

>>130668525
I drink when I am bored, everyone does different things to over come boredom. Drinking beer, wine, or cider in small doses is good for you, but hard booze has no benefits to your health or your mind set in my opinion.

>>130668314
Smoking is not all about the substance either. It's lighting up a smoke after a long day of work or stepping out of the sauna into the cold winter air and having a smoke with your friends whilst talking shit etc. It's the whole process and social happening that makes it addictive. I "tried" to quit a couple of times but realised that I didn't really want to. The thing that finally made me want tom quit was just the steady deterioration of my conditioning and the weakening of my immune system.

>>130664122
I was an alcoholic from 18 to 25, but I've been sober now 7 months.

Get your sleeping schedule straight. Sleeping from 10pm to 5am everyday has worked for me. Take melatonin or an over the counter sleep aid to help with this if you need to. I can't stress how helpful regular sleep is.

Track your day's sober, so, as the number increases it seems like a bigger and bigger defeat to give in and drink again. I made a game out of it. I gained a "level" each time I went a certain number of days without drinking and the interval increased by one more day for each level. You can reward yourself at each level if you want, but I didn't.

Find constructive hobbies and pay attention to how much better you feel as time goes on.

It's very hard at first, but gets much easier as time goes on. I put my "levels" on my phone calendar ahead of time, so now when it starts vibrating saying I reached level 20 or whatever, it's always a surprise because I forget I even needed that at the beginning.

>>130668805
Well you can do something more productive if you don't drink, so it's kinda wasting that boredom time instead of finding something to do.

>>130669032
Congrats bro. This seems like a good way too.

I used melatonin as well.

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>>130664122
I was a binge drinker. I would do an 18pack of bush and 2 nippers of captain 100 proof in a night. (5pm - midnight) after being on 4chan long enough surprisingly I started to feel horrible shame the next day and now I just stopped. The other day my brother got me a fosters for working on his car and I drank it and just felt bad after. No urge at all to drink, I just associate it with being degenerate, thanks /pol/

>>130669032
>>130669067
lots of good info in this thread. godspeed

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OP here,

my tolerance is high, i do drink nightly. yes not buying will make me steer clear of it, i don't go out much.

i used to lift on a more serious note. i need to take up something to occupy my time. i do work inbetween 2 jobs but majority of the time i drink because i am not satisfied where i am at in life, go figure. like the majority of us here. weed was easier to drop, after a week or so i could turn the other way, i tend to do one or the other (weed/booze) but i want to be clean of both and focus on what really needs to be done.

>>130667505
Legal for ceremonial practices
Not a party drug, so gov don't care
Ayahuasca is tupi-guarani for vine of the dead

A way to commune with your elders, a red pill punch in the face
Fuckin punk rock , I use once a year

Has been used for 10k years

>>130668855
The social aspect and just how smoking would get me outside for a few minutes every hour is what I miss the most. Quit smoking about six years ago.

>>130669318
You need to stay clear for at least 1 - 3 months from unproductive psychoactive like weed and booze.

This is a neccessity bro. There's no walking around it.

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>>130664122
To stop anything all anyone need do is stop.
Fucking STOP IT ANON.

>>130669067
this. people always find reasons to arbitrarily limit themselves, and then try to justify it.
desire and passion are just illusions you can create by not drinking or smoking or playing with your dick every time you get bored.

I'm in the process right now. I was drinking 4-5 nights a week. Over past 2 months I have gotten into a strict habit of Sunday-Thursday no alcohol. I also work out every single one of these days and keep a good diet going. Friday and Saturday I only drink now if it's a social occasion. Haven't had a drink in two weeks. For me, I need to replace bad habits with good habits. Too much of a void to only quite.

>>130667796
How do you know

Native medicine is not drug abuse
Ayahuasca is not fun, breaks barriers and resets the mind

Don't talk about what you do not know

>>130669590
The people doing it aren't the people you should be talking to a lot bro. I know the culture (smoked for 9 years).

>>130665599
Kek, I ended up in intensive care when I tried this, thinking that the nurses were plotting against me.

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>>130664122
Shit I wish I knew!
If I've got money, I'm drinking.
Got this whole new motivation thing going on at the moment and I'm gonna try and be sensible from now on and not drink by myself at home daily... gonna try only drink in social situations.
It might sound silly to some people but when you aquire a drinking habit, it's REALLY hard to break.
I've had a problem with alcohol for about 7/8 years now... my beer/whiskey belly is glorious but it's also one of the factors in me wanting to stop drinking so much.

>>130664122
Today I felt like a loser so I drank three beers.

>>130664122
I know people will say it's degenerate, but do an LSD trip.

LSD is great at enabling you to notice patterns of your own behavior and giving you the ability to break those patterns.

Good luck getting a hold of real acid though. You could always get 1P-LSD, but don't get some random RC.

I only say this because it helped me break my habit of 12+ beers a day. Can't say it will work for you though.

>>130666079
Then go at the weekend.

>>130669732
Cuz I've used psychedelics to hope it would change my life. It didn't do anything, it just made you feel like you get stuff better because brain shortcircuiting. Psychedelics don't fix your life.

>>130669868
who cares. 3 beers is nothing. just dont drink every day

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>>130664122
nigger, how can you drink alcohol every day. I hate getting drunk its the worst. Smoke weed and dont drink you faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

>>130666361
I was doing it 24/7 within a week and ended up in hospital, didn't work for me.

>>130669852
Don't do it in public. If you pass out, people think you're OD'ing, while your just sleeping.

I bet you mixed it with alcohol. That's rule number one. Don't fucking mix it with alcohol.

>>130670146
It's cuz he's not been sober for 6 years. And smoking weed sux because you've not been sober for a while either.

>>130670187
I was doing it 24/7, would wake up in the night and have more. Lethally addictive if you're that way inclined.

>>130670156
Ok this has more to do with you doing it 24/7 within a week than the substance itself faggot.

>>130664122
>Cuts out weed
>Starts with booze
MATE! DON'T!
You use it try to sleep don't you?

Man I've gone through that process my self earlier in my life, I did not know the dangers. Drinking each day turns you to an alki damn fast and seriously ruins your life and body.

Whatever you do, don't go cold turkey if you have been boozing for months or so, step down gradually over a couple of days, or you might get Delerium Tremens, which can kill you.
Your pulse will go up as far as 200 when just sitting there, hallucinations, your skin will feel like it's crawling

That is lit poison. Benzo helps you to come over it, but only use that for a short time. Got to the doctor and really exaggerate to make sure you get help

>>130670146
You know you can drink without getting drunk?

I don't like getting drunk either but I like relaxing with 2 or 3 drinks every night.

>>130670344
You don't drink alcohol 24/7 right? Why the fuck would you do that with GHB.

>>130670423
I know that. Bad shit though, bad for the kidneys, leeches potassium from your body. Wouldn't take it again, couldn't trust myself with it.

>>130666931
Not even comparable. You watch porn because you want to have sex which is instinctual. You cant stop drinking because of the physical dependency. You will always want to have sex as long as your natural body tells you to. You will only continue addiction as long as you continue to consume poison. Just stop drinking and the addiction will fade.

>>130670534
Because it's a lot nicer.

>>130670439
>you might get Delerium Tremens, which can kill you.
>Your pulse will go up as far as 200 when just sitting there, hallucinations, your skin will feel like it's crawling

I had it and fortunately I just ended up getting the shakes and a high pulse. I was convinced I was going to die though.

>>130670344
yeah then you are fucking out on the rough seas, and if you don't drink you get the shakes.

Careful with alkihol that's basically the worst drug there is when you abuse it like that, only heroin is worse

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How do you deal with the post drinking anxiety? I've been drinking very heavily 4-5 night's a week for the last 3 years. I took 1 month off once and 2 months off a few months later but then came back to the bottle. I've decided to quit indefinitely because I don't wanna die young, and I have a whole future in front of me and I'm tired of being a degenerate. Shit I'm getting married next july. But since I quite like 3 days ago I've been racked with inexplicable anxiety and lack of appetite. The only thing that seems to help is heavy exercise and sex. My sleep is fucked too because of the anxiety.

An 1/8th teaspoon of old school bitter piracetam deluted in a shot of water. It might make you hyperfocused and want to read a book, but you won't be thinking about alcohol.

>>130664122
I just drink a bottle of beer at night to get sleepy.

Read stop drinking now by Allen carr

>>130670534
its a lot more addicting

>>130670607
Ok psychologically maybe not cut out for you. But it's waaaaay less on your organs than alcohol. It just goes straight to your liver and gets processed into h2o and co2. Don't get me started on ethanol.

>>130670751
You can't, it's something you need to process or your environment is shit.

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>>130664122
Very simple. Hit rock bottom, hope you survive and bounce. Its what I did, and I've been sober for 8 months now.

The detox and the shakes sucked, though. As did the liver damage. And the heart problems. Not to mention the shattered, completely fucked personal and professional life. But hey, I'm only 30, so I've still got time to get SOME living done before the inevitable premature death, right?

Or just quit drinking, you fucking retard. If you're not yet physically dependant you have NO FUCKING IDEA how lucky you are, or how easy it still is to quit. It won't last though, and for every heavy drinker, the clock is ticking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwv7Utcf-gM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjlm3YWxqAk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4uGgDWBT3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVn2ByJvE7Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5js6CE1EDE

Watch these, you cretinous fuck.

>>130670890
I did not notice this when I used it to quit alcohol.

You'll stop when you find a good enough reason to.

>drink to blackout daily for 20 years
>finally notice wife drinking during day/morning
>justifies it as being medicinal for anxiety
>quit cold turkey

I can't support her on the lethal road she's going down if I am fucked up as well. I have plenty of other reasons, like brain shrinkage and memory issues directly attributable to alcohol, but being a good example for her is what did it for me.

Doubt I'd start again though. My brain is about all I have going for me and I'd rather it not be completely pickled before retirement.

>heavy smoker for decades
>quit cold turkey

I had a track record of quitting, so I knew I could do it. And if it's within one human's ability to do it, it's within yours.

>>130670751
It can take some months to stabilize your system, that is a long time. I would have gone to the doctor, benzo helps also some barbs. It calms you down, lowers your heart rate and so, so you get to sleep. But it takes a while before you are healthy again. Start working out AFTER you are over the shit, that helps. But not now.

I was the same, lost so much weight. Only drank never ate. My life went down the shitter, lost several years and then I lifted my self up again. My liver got spared and the brain too.
Both can get permanent damages beyond repair

>>130671059
it probably depends on why you were psychologically addicted to alcohol. Was it social anxiety?

>>130671021
I actually went to see the woman in the last video for work. Still got a drink problem though, just not as bad as it was.

>>130671145
Goddamn man, 20 years is a long time.

>>130671258
I've still got a problem, that is, not her, she's dead.

>>130671224
Yes

>>130670004
Ayahuasca unlike party psychedelics rip your ass apart , some scary shit that forces you to take an ancestral punch in the face

The ritual begins with fasting and introspection; You write up questions and answers you seek. The first Hour is living fucking hell, you vomit everything that you have inside, you feel weak and vulnerable and then see the tunnel of light. The voyage is fucking hell in your mind but forces you to Really GET ANSWERS, even if you hate what you see.

It is like going into a wrestling match with your own soul and your bullshit perceptions

It is NOT FUN, NOT pleasant and is not meant to be fun.

Without exception, people come out humble and broken but gain tools to rebuild, nature is unforgiving but merciful

8 out of 10 people will never do it again cause it is a truth pill, a real punch in the face.

>>130671369

Trust me, it goes very quickly.

>>130669462
Thanks for the info. I've only smoked dmt but would love to try it

>>130671224
Theres no such thing as psychologically being addicted to a substance. You are simply using said substance as a coping mechanism for another problem. Find out the root of the problem and fix it or find another release for your anxiety. Poisoning yourself is not the answer.

>>130671419
It's a brain shortcircuit. It's just another subtance. Nobody changes, when they go back to their old habits. It's like seemingly red-pilling a blue-piller and you talk to them after a week. Nothing has changed.

>>130671145
Fuckin badass. This is the mindset of the strong willed.

>>130664122
Op plz read this HAMS method saved my life. AA is really hard for some due too cold turkey but read on HAMS method is great.
http://hams.cc/

>>130671563
It's not, but we all know what being psychologically addicted is.

>>130664122
switch to heroin

>>130669318
Alcoholic here, sober 3 years now after too many to count crash and burns in life .. because of it.
If you're day drinking to keep the shakes away, you need to stop with medical help. They ease you off with benzos. If the shakes aren't bad you need to just stop and struggle through for about 2 days and you'll feel better.

Do not, I repeat DO NOT fuck with GHB. I was an addict to it in the 90s. Pure evil.

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This shit right here, smokefags.

I'm two weeks deep and absolutely will never smoke again. This book talks you out of the tobaccojew through sheer logic. It is the redpill on smoking and it walks you through why the quitting industry is sheer hebrewism and you'll never quit by vaping like a faggot.

>>130671215
I don't have tremors or anything. Just anxiety attacks mostly and trouble sleeping well and the lack of appetite. How long were you drinking for and how heavily?

>>130671512
Ya, DMT is one thing, ayahuasca is so much more. It is fucking frightning but a lesson in life. It is like dying and coming back to life. The first time I used I was sure I was fucked, but by the next morning I went on for day 2 and 3....By the end I questioned our existance and what the fuck we are here for. On day 4 I got the answer and it really changed my perception of life.

Not for everybody and not fun, just a life lesson that only god's gift can provide

>>130664122
I just quit weed and picked up some alcohol to help with the first day off, after a few weeks of not drinking it feels really bad to start again, but I know I will quit again soon.

Can't sleep at night, been depressed for so long that it's not even depression anymore, but just life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvlQgh7aDDA

>>130671594
Cold turkey is the only way to break addiction. If you still consume a substance in routine in any manner you are still addicted but in a controlled manner.
>>130671667
Yeah swapping addiction for another is below you, come on you can do this.

>>130671811
Was recommended this a while back. Thank you for posting.

Only 26 and after a few years of the stuff I couldn't drink a couple beers without get red flushed in the face and unable to use it to even relax anymore. For some people it loses its benefits very fast.

>>130671405
okay I don't know wtf im talking about. GHB is amazing for social anxiety better than alcohol for me (I can still feel pretty anxious on alcohol) could see it being more addicting for someone who feels socially anxious. Anecdotal tho

>>130671729
Benzo's are more goddamn addictive. I still stand by GHB being a great cure for alcoholism.

>>130671813
How would someone in the states obtain this? Not asking you to do the research since you're in Brazil, but you seem to know a lot about this.

>>130671582
Not true;

You don't short circuit, it is not pleasurable, it is like visiting your mother in law and listen to her tell you how much you are a bag of shit;

I have used Psychadelics of every type

Ayahuasca and Iboga are not in the same class.

They are not meant to make you feel happy, do not make you lose your mind or see shit that brings comfort

If you have never used, please avoid giving an opinion.

I respect you as a person but you should not compare things you don't know with what you have experienced.

>>130671960
No i still drink moderately with social stuff, because I can't be in an environment with 20+ people without some sort of help. Everyone has this.

But I would not take GHB in this situation. GHB is purely handy in substituting it, so your brain doesn't change into the destructive mindset after being in the alcohol buzz.

>>130664122
After spending the last 20 years in and out if prison mostly due to drug related charges. I realized that my life was not headed in the way I wanted.
I was 34.
I was not in control and needed to change.
I'm 39 now.

I cut all ties with everyone I knew.

I stopped doing drugs.

How you ask?

By stopping.
Employ some fucking willpower anon
STOP IT.

>>130671582
Not true;

You don't short circuit, it is not pleasurable, it is like visiting your mother in law and listen to her tell you how much you are a bag of shit;

I have used Psychadelics of every type

Ayahuasca and Iboga are not in the same class.

They are not meant to make you feel happy, do not make you lose your mind or see shit that brings comfort

If you have never used, please avoid giving an opinion.

I respect you as a person but you should not compare things you don't know with what you have experienced.

It is like me saying that the Netherlands are shit cause I once tried a bicycle

>Drink in moderation
subjective standards that the alcoholic brain can manipulate just to get to them drinking and then drinking some more once it skews your judgement and self-control.

Moderation is playing with fire.

>>130670439

Quitting can't kill you unless you are drinking an like 1 liter of hard alcohol a day for 3 months.

>>130672168
I have used DMT, LSD and shrooms. LSD took the cake. 12 hours of sheer terror, but it did not change anything.

They are shortcircuits, because they cause your brain to communicated with area's that shouldn't be able to communicate.

I know what I'm talkin about bro. I'm not saying they're bad or good or pleasurable. I'm just saying it's not a way to quit a habit.

>>130671729
I did say medical help, meaning go get treated professionally.

>>130672261
Yeah this shit is true, no matter what substitute like GHB or benzo's you can use. You need to make some sort of drastic change in your environment for it to actually work.

>>130664122
Workout. Helped me kick alcoholism.

See /fit, read the sticky, start lifting

Lifting hungover will sober you up in no time, believe me. In 12 weeks you can be a new and improved version of yourself.

And my definition of alcoholism was downing a bottle of scotch everyday, starting with a good splash in my coffee at 08:00 am

>>130672090
Well it is illegal in the USA, I think, but if one were not able to come to Brazil, there are ways to obtain it.

If you are really interested, I can put you in contact with a church in Brazil, you may have to sign a waiver but I know they will send you some if you need for therapeutical reasons.

>>130671594

Naah, my dad's the bad ass, but thanks.

Another thing I did NOT do was something common in AA/"recovery" forums and that is to keep track of the days. It doesn't matter. All that matters is today, and giving yourself or seeking credit for n number of days wasn't something I wanted to do.

Also I'm busy living, not thinking about not drinking. That's one thing that always baffled me about AA/NA/whateverA and that is, in my experience, I didn't want to sit around talking about what I did when I was smoking or drinking. I didn't need to remind myself of the money I spent or times I woke up feeling like shit, and that's all it seemed those smoke-filled meetings were about.

It's a little difficult seeing my wife's behavior being effected by alcohol and I'm working on figuring out things we can do other than watch TV, eat, and (for me, not) drink.

>>130671811
>you'll never quit by vaping like a faggot.

But that's how I quit you nigger. The vaping industry isn't the quitting industry. Basically all of the companies have been created by people who got off cigarettes, not doctor's with the moral high ground preaching to us how bad it is.

Vaping is by far the easiest way to quit smoking because it's at least enjoyable.

>>130672687
Easiest way is Champix, or whatever the drug is called in your country. Made me vomit after smoking, very effective

>>130664122
You just stop.
I used to drink a lot. What I realized was that drinking fucking sucks, makes you feel awful and it was making me fat.
When you're alcoholic what you usually do is buy alcohol whenever you are at a store. Even if you came in for something else, you are going to buy alcohol. You will make some dumb excuse or just shut down your brain and buy that shit.
All you have to do is dump it when you get home. Sometimes I would buy some whisky, get home and drink a glass and think to myself ''shit, this is making me stomach upset and my head feel like shit'' so I'd just pour it out. If you don't get rid of it you are going to drink it.

>>130672404
DMT is not ayahusca. Like saying a bicycle is 2 wheels.

Ayahuasca is a mix of many plants prescribed and brewed for a given purpose and to cure certain ailments

I can tell you know not what you speak of

>>130672404
Everyone everywhere is stupid, i've taked all the drugs, not lying, but for pcp and ayahuaska.

You are stupid, if you are reading this, you are a fucking retard. I am a fucking retard. You are stupid, let me reiterate, you are stupid you fucking retard. Pray or don't pray or believe in god, or stop believing in god, or do something different. Take drugs if you've never taken them, or stop taking them if you are taking them. If you are jerking off then stop, but if you're not then start. If you have a job, quit. If you are NEET then get a job you lazy, slobbish, leech faggot.

YOU are a bad person. I have reached enlightenment and ascension multiple times. The deepest and most genuine thing I have discovered is that I am an asshole, you are an asshole. Fuck yourself. There is nothing to do, and there is no where to go. There is nothing to be, and there is no one to know

Check out the Sinclair Method. FDA approved, double blind test etc. I think it never caught on here is rehab is a big business and a cure is bad for business

>>130673088
You are correct, we are all assholes, but ayahusca is not a simple drug but a combo of many plants, used for thousands of years and specially brewed by a shaman to target what you need and what affects you.

Some ayahusca brews contain 2, 3 or 4 plants, some up to 12-15

all depends of what is fucking driving you mad and what you need to know

>>130672974
>If you don't get rid of it you are going to drink it.

Disagree.

After I quit smoking I didn't ceremonously rip my cigarettes. I just didn't smoke them.

I was finding packs of cigarettes for months.

Same with drinking. I still have what were my favorites in the liquor cabinet right now. See, it's not 18 year old scotch anymore, it's poison that's killing my wife and would kill me.

Priorities.

>>130673049
Sorry sir, but do you know what the hell ur talking about?

Ayahuasca is DMT mixed with a MAO-inhibitor.

You see DMT doesn't work orally, because they get removed by MAO enzymes. So, you need an inhibitor of these enzymes so the DMT can work. It works as long as the MAO inhibitor is still in your body. This is 3 hours.

You just lost all credibility.

>>130669949
i was thinking about this but im worried that i will tear myself apart on a trip. less likely than mushrooms but you understand, nothing is hidden from you. you have to deal with reality and much more beyond that.

i'm contemplating that as well...LSD won't be a problem to get a hold of.

>>130670146
i used to feel the same as you but im at that point where i dont want either and usually i have on or the other...as means of a crutch or """fun""".

>>130670439
i appreciate the help danish friend, i'm not getting shakes..i can sleep just fine without it..i just enjoy drinking but i also enjoy using booze as a crutch.

>>130670853
looking into it right now.

>>130672967
>Easiest way is Champix
In my opinion it's just too risky. It can cause all kind of psychological problems potentially. It got you to get off the cigarettes though so good on you.

>>130671811
>quitting industry is sheer hebrewism
Yeah and you still bought a book faggot. Smoked for 7+ years and just quit one day cold turkey coz its fucking gross. It was easy too.

>>130671893
There's nothing fucking wrong with weed. It's not poison like alcohol. Just make sure you keep up with running and lifting because it can make you into a real lazy couch potato.

>>130664122
it's boring
what reward does day drinking give you?
none right?
does it make you feel good?
obviously not
is there something else you could do to feel good?
lots. like jump rope.

why are your taking the jump rope pill anon?

>>130671999
I know it helped you anon, but as advice to people you don't know on a Javanese shadow puppet forum this is downright irresponsible.

>>130673411
It depends on the mindset. I've had times where I would simply not touch alcohol or cigarettes because I didn't feel like it.
A better solution is to just get rid of that shit.

From my experience and talking to alcoholics what I've seen is that alcoholics have a very hard time going into a store and not buying alcohol.
For some reason getting rid of alcohol that you have already spent your money on is easier than not spending that money on alcohol in the first place.

>>130670439
I drank hard as fuck for like 5 years, and i started getting bad w/d's when i tried to quit cold turkey. anyway i started stepping down my drinking and i'm down to 2 beers a day now(down from like 20). anyway, is it safe to stop now? anyone? don't want to die or have a grand mall, just wonder if weening down to 2 beers a day is enough or if i'm still fucked

>>130664122
Make sure you're hydrated throughout the day. Everything is easier when you're hydrated.

Also I know for me part of it is just the action of drinking something so you could buy some of that zero calorie drink mix powder if you want to have something other than water to drink throughout the day.

I don't understand addiction. I've been around drugs all my life and seen many people and made many people ruin their lives but for me it's never been like that. I can get drunk all day every day for a year and then just stop. I can smoke crack everyday for a month and then just stop. I don't get cravings for anything but food or sex.

>>130672687

If you're vaping you're still addicted and being a slave to addiction is nigger behavior.

How good a shot are you going to be in the civil war when you can't get your fresh squeezed nigger juice to go in your battery pen and your hands are flopping around with nicotene withdrawl parkinsons?

>>130673364
Yea i've heard of a brew called Bush Rum that is rum soaked with plants that while different from ayahuasca, sounds similar to what you are saying

chemically however, the DMT in ayahuasca needs an MAOI to work, so thats 2 plants to activate the drug, and maybe other drugs to mitigate the side effects, but I hadn't heard of the other plants being psychoactive, but would not be surprised. Mixing drugs is the true redpill, one chemical people are 3rd dimensional planar tear.

>>130673466
>i was thinking about this but im worried that i will tear myself apart on a trip.
I wouldn't worry that much about it. Just be wise and don't take it in a bad area. Set and setting.

>you have to deal with reality
You'll have to start dealing with reality if you start drinking. Don't you drink to avoid reality?

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Used to be alcoholic from about 17 to 22. I'm 23 now and haven't drank since January, it just gets boring for some people.

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>>130673694
There's faggots advising ayahuasca to quit alcohol on this unironically javanese shadow puppet forum, so I guess it's all out right now.

>>130673423
No shit sherlock.

But that is only the beginning.

You see...you have the DMT + Mao-inhibitor..basic 2 plant mix

However, the type of ayahusca vine you use and the add mixtures are blended by a shaman to help your ailment.

some brews include up to 12 or 15 ingredients

clearly shows you don't know shit but basic chemistry and scientific knowledge

You are downplaying the 10,000 year practice of mixing other plants that science has no fucking idea why are introduces to serve a different purpose

Did you know that the basic 2 mix brew can include white, yellow or black ayahusca vines

no you don't, please don't comment on what you don't know

Stop to sit on ass all day problem fix itself

Switch to type of alcohol you enjoy less, then reduce amount gradually.
Avoid hard liquor.

>>130673624
I can't get a job that drug tests if I am on weed, that is what's wrong with it

also it stunts teenagers emotional growth and turns them into man children when they get older

>>130673876
This is true, anyone who takes advice from here is fucked in the head anyway.

>>130673924
Dude I'm not even sure if you're trolling or not at this point.

>>130670439

>DTs

Again, I was blackout level for 20 years, daily drinking, during the day as well on weekends.

I'd quit five or six times and every time, including the last, I was fine. However had I just tried to "cut back" that 100% would not have worked for me.

To each their own, but do not think that stopping after a prolonged period of heavy drinking is a DT sentence. That's what those with health insurance and the "wellness" industry would like you to believe.

I may just be incredibly lucky, but I'm far from the only one.

>>130673786
Irritability is the only downside of quitting nicotine without physical dependency as im aware. The shakes are from the physical dependency withdrawl.

>>130673786
You're definitely a rude dude with a 'tude. I wish I had as much badassery as you have in just a single one of your pubes.

If you can quit cold turkey, then hey that's awesome. Not everybody can quit cold turkey. The benefit vaping really has is it's potential to get people off cigarettes who otherwise weren't even considering quitting smoking. It's at least a pleasurable thing to switch to rather than chewing on gum.

>hands are flopping around with nicotene withdrawl parkinsons?

When I actually have gone cold turkey from nicotine, this never happened. If such an even were to occur I would just quit. For now, I have the luxury of using a device which satisfies the physical addiction and is at least a good substitute for the act of smoking. You can work down the nicotine to 0mg, and I personally know people who have done such.

>>130673856
the MAOI is used for you to be able to digest the DMT before it is broken down.

This is the basic mix; Any DMT plant + the Maoi

However. There is black vine, yellow vine, white vine Etc.

Chaliponga possesses both the DMT + MAIO but it often brewed with other shit. Like White mimosa, tobacco and other plants that are specifically brewed by the shaman.

Every person is given a <blend> RARELY it contains only 2 basic plants.

Science still does not get how the shaman blends the other plants in (although considered inactive) to create the symphony made specifically for you

>>130673953
I didn't know you were a teenager

Underage b&

>>130672261
based. thank you.

>>130671893
i dig the song anon.

>>130671811
looking into his book for drinking.

>>130673867
i'll have to solo it. i don't do hard drugs so i'm not worried about getting into shit other than delics. i'm in though.

>>130674113
Look it up, I am not fucking with you

The natives of the Amazon use the base mix of either B. Caapi + P. Viridis but there are 3 or 4 varieties of B. Caapi

The natives of Northeastern Brazil used Mimosa Hostilis but they don't know what Maoi they used. Today, they use syrian rue seeds as their Maio.

The brews in Acre, Amazonas and Peru include one variety of B Caapi vine + chaliponga and or other ingredients. I have had blends that included tabacco leaf and other plants I do not know

>>130673698

>can't go into a store without buying alcohol

So I suppose if they were to ever go to Japan they'd be in a constant stupor because there are vending machines with beer every two inches?

This really makes no sense to me. If you don't want it, don't buy it. And using the "oh I already spent money on this so I have to use it" is a really silly justification by someone who really wants to drink.

If you want to drink, do it.
If you don't want to drink, don't.

I know there are books and secret societies and industries built up around the "recovery" shekel, but they're all tailored for those who know they should quit but don't want to.

If you really want to, there's nothing that will stop you. Again, priorities.

>>130674732
I took it alone and I was retarded because I took 5 tabs. I can't recommend you do that, but you seem to at least have a good head on your shoulders so you'll probably be alright if you do it alone. Just observe yourself. You'll have your normal thoughts and a greater ability to see how you feel about those thoughts, and how you feel about how you feel about those thoughts. You'll have ups and downs and might think you're going to die. Don't worry you won't, as long as it's real acid or 1P-LSD.

>>130675070
Science and lab rats will make a drug to fuck up the masses

Ayahuasca is brewed to tailor fit you like a fine suit

That is why indiscriminate psychedelic drug use made in the lab does not go with your needs and only a general desire to fuck people up.

Perverts the point of reaching enlightenment or just answer some questions only nature has an answer to without gain or political intervention

is this thread autosaging or is /pol/ just moving super fast

>>130675630
shit spilit into a super highway

>>130675481
I'm not even arguing against ayahuasca, but you're underestimating how useful LSD can be. On LSD you don't really hallucinate, but you definitely don't see entities. If you're not familiar with LSD it's a compound isolated from ergot, a type of fungus that grows on wheat.

There's some evidence to suggest that the ancient greeks were drinking a beverage that contained LSD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kykeon

I agree though, all the weird lab made shit is terrible for you. LSD is a pretty safe psychedelic and much easier to ingest than ayahuasca.

>>130665599
heerenveen

>>130666361
This is similar to what I'm doing but with weed, desire to drink has gone right down but I still do it occasionally out of habit in social situations

>>130666405
This. Also start smoking weed again just don't overdo it.